‘The Sure Thing’ With Bill Simmons and Chris Ryan

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We like to tease people out. A lot of fluff at the top. Okay. I might have been on the side going, come on guys. Let's get to the list. They put timestamps in these things for a reason. It's an honorable mention. Let's bring it up. Let's go. Let's go. Let's get to a show. Can I give you some constructive feedback? At some point, yeah, sure. I did enjoy the Kaia jokes. Yes. I appreciate that you brought her in, but great chemistry. Glad to see you guys still cranking it all these years later. Thanks man. We owe it all to you. Craig Corleback, end of the fantasy football season. Yeah. I'm knocked out of the ringer league. Kind of devastated. Chris Ryan's still alive. You're in the toilet bowl playoffs though. Yeah, me and Sean, you guys have a lot of complaints about this league. I thought we've handled it well. I think the league worked out great. I think the league was great. And I don't know who to report between Craig and Sean. So Craig, if you lose, what do you? Mine's easy. No caffeine for a week. If Sean loses, he has to wear a headband on an episode of the big picture and not address it. And with a director interview, right? We wanted to be with a director that was not stipulated. I really wanted to have to wear like a headband while he's talking to Park Chan. Close out. All right. Well, we don't normally do two rewatchables in a week, but we wanted to do a very special one this week. So we're going to do the short thing and it's next. This episode of the rewatchables is presented by a state farm. Whether you're debating watching that award-winning sports drama or rewatching your comfort buddy comedy movie for the 10th time, choices are important. When it comes to choosing coverage, a state farm agent can help you find options that are right for you. Go online at statefarm.com or use the word-winning app to get help from one of their local agents like a good neighbor. State Farm is there. All right. I wish these were under better circumstances here. The short thing, a movie we've been waiting to do for a long, long time that has not been available on streaming, but it was available on YouTube. Yes. We didn't want to tell people that it was available on YouTube because I was worried it was going to get pulled down and we needed time to both watch it. Is this the second time we've done a movie that is actually not on streaming or on BOD? I think it might be the third. What was the one we just did? We'll just pop up the volume this and was there a third one? Well, maybe this will bring it back. I guess although rewatching it, the soundtrack is pretty pop. That's why I was wondering why it's, if that's one of the reasons why it's not on streaming. Rob Reiner, this was the second movie he directed and was tragically murdered on Sunday by his son, it looks like allegedly, but it seems like it was his son. One of the worst Hollywood stories in a while, he was a beloved guy. You talked about him in your pod. I talked about him on top of my pod on Sunday. We had done six rewatchables movies with him. We had not done this one, but we wanted to do a Reiner movie. We threw this together. I talked, the thing I said about him on Sunday was that he had these three different careers that were all pretty cool in their own ways. He's like this supporting actor on probably the second most famous Seventy-Sick Home we had other than Mesh. He's the son of Carl Reiner. Even that, and he could have just been an actor for 50 years, that would have been a cool career and everybody liked him. Then he becomes this director and has put together one of the best 15-year runs any directors ever had. He also on the side has this whole Castle Rock thing with this company that he creates, independent outside the studio infrastructure. He starts basically supporting voices that he cares about and making bets on young talent because he knows young talent, which is the same thing he had in his movies. That ends up funding Seinfeld, which is the most successful backing, I think, in the history of anything, and was a beloved guy out here in Hollywood. We felt like of all the directors, this is the seventh one, I think, which puts them in third place. There's only a couple directors who are like, emergency pod, we got to do one. This is one of them. Yeah, and he has five or six in a row to start off his career that are locks for any, like, I would rewatchable any of those with you. I thought it was really helpful to try to organize my thoughts about Reiner through the lens of this movie, which is it's nice because if you're trying to summarize that guy's entire contribution to entertainment and to American cultural life, it's hard. But if you can just look at something as simple as a screwball comedy like this, you can really see a lot of his specific skills and talents and gifts come through. Yeah, one of those gifts, which he also applied with Seinfeld in some of the movies and TV shows that he did, was just great eye for talent, great eye for somebody's moment in their career. Just seeing something either potential that hadn't been realized or knowing the impact that they already had, which few good men's a good example of that, right? He catches Cruz at his apex. Yeah, he figures out that this is the perfect Nicholson part, convincing to do that and then populates that movie with all of these really good younger actors or actors on the rise like Kevin Bacon or semi-established. And you see all the clips that have been running like since his passing, since his death on Sunday of people having these remembrances and it's like Kevin Bacon in tears talking about how he needed a job and Reiner came through and got no wily just being like, I'm on that shoot for like a week or two. And he basically makes me feel like I'm the most important person on that set. So it's just everybody seems to have this incredible connection to him. Yeah, Spinal Tap. I mean, one of the things when you write down all the movies that he did and they're like best blank. Spinal Tap, which is the best music comedy ever made, and he taps in with these three guys who, you know, had had, were known in comedy circles, but Christopher Guest wasn't really Christopher Guest yet. Shears and that. McKinnon, he had, he was known from Laverne and Shirley basically, but he gets in with those guys early and it ends up being what it is. Princess Bride, he's in with Goldman at this point. Yeah, he identifies Robin Wright. All the people he cast and that that ends up being in the running for a best non animated fairytale movie, probably ever. Oh, sure. One of the first ones. It might be the best. I don't. Who's that competing against? That's also one of the most like beloved movies across generations. Yeah. Is that how many movies are loved equally by seven year olds and 70 year olds? And how many movies you don't doesn't even matter when it came out. Yeah. It's like that movie. I mean, Craig, when did you see that movie? As a kid, I've seen it a ton of times. Yeah, it just it was one of those. There's certain movies that it just it kind of came out in the 80s. You remember when it just keeps going. American president, we did that in the rewatchables to in the running for best president movie. It's for me, it's that and Dave in the finals. And I'd really have to have to target that. But that one, he captures, gets Douglas right at the tail end of his apex, puts a net bending in there whole thing. Few good men, best courtroom movie, probably the best modern court movie there. Court movie. There's some older ones that would have a case, but we've done that one twice. Misery might be the best Stephen King movie. It might be. It's up there for Shawshank. Yeah. Um, also might be the best scary actress movie. Yeah. Uh, does that with Goldman stand by me. Probably the best preteen, best friend. Another king adaptation. Yeah. Yeah. One of the best coming of age movies ever made ever. When Harry Met Sally, not only in the running for best romcom ever, but basically created the romcom, the modern version of it in 1989. It's from that moment on, every movie is chasing. Let's, let's try to pull this off like when Harry Met Sally. And in that one, he identifies this Billy Crystal, Meg Ryan, not only the relationship, but both of them. Nobody thought Billy Crystal was going to be in a movie like that. Nobody thought Meg Ryan could play that character, basically a Diane Keene thing. So he nails both the stand by me. He nails the river Phoenix, the way he cast that movie. You go on through and it's just, he's had an eye and sure thing is maybe the ultimate example of that because he's in on this Q-Sex 17. The whole story of this where they have to, he has to file for emancipation. And Roger Bourbon has to like adopt him. Producer has to legally adopt him. And he's like, I need this kid in the movie and Q-Sex still going. Let's talk a little bit if like you can't about like what, what are some of the things across those movies that jump out? Because the thing that hit me watching sure thing again is that he's able to take funny scenarios and make them feel very serious or very serious scenarios and see the humor in them. And that happens, both of those things happen in the sure thing, right? Like he's able to put these kids in such dire straits on this road trip and see the hilarity in it, but also their desperation. And it's like the same thing for standby. Me, there's absolutely heartbreaking moments in standby. And then he'll follow it up with a joke to kind of even the scales of the dramatic experience or the film going experience. And that's why I think we go back to these moves so many times is because he was able to see the totality of like a human experience in any given scene and in any given story. And it's like, even something that could have just been a super horny, forgettable eighties comedy that like you and I would be like, I know what's really good is that this is actually like a lost classic in a lot of ways. No question. I think a couple of things. He was really good at pulling out exactly what you should like about somebody. Yeah. You know, like Billy Crystal, that's the best he's ever been in a movie when Harry Met Sally. But Robin Wright is like just perfect and Princess Bride in this movie. Like it's the most I've ever like Q-Sack in a movie. And to me, like Q-Sack in this movie, I had season tickets for the next 12 years just because of this movie. Oh, yeah. I loved him in this movie. Doing this and high fidelity in such close succession makes me realize I think I've underrated the role that John Q. Zack played in like my imagination over the over my entire life. Like when you think about this one crazy summer, better off dead, say anything. Yeah. And then on and out. Yeah. All the way up through high fidelity. I'm like, yeah, from like 10 to 30, this guy was basically like a sort of north star in my life. Yeah. And misery is another one where Kathy Bates, who we didn't really have a history with. And she just absolutely crushes it and is awesome. But that's weirdly a relationship movie. It's her relationship with this writer that she really, really loves and she becomes obsessed with, but it's a lot of scenes where it's just the two of them. You can take a lot of the movies that he's made and they could probably be a play. How many times could you simulate the casting and filming and entire thing of Stand By Me and not get River Phoenix, Will Wheaton, Jerry O'Connell, Corey Feldman and that exact points in their lives and like the like, you know, basically contrasting those performances against one another. It's like the perfect group of kid friends at that age. Yeah. Like I think in a way that like transcends anything like Spielberg ever did in that way. Yeah. I mean, he had so many lifelong friends and a lot of them poured out this week with just really being upset. Heartbreaking and broken. Heartbroken. Yeah. How it played out. But I think one of the things that I know Goldman like loved him, if this was only his favorite people ever worked with, they did a lot of stuff together. But that was the theme over and over again. Like once you, once you did something with him, you were like a friend for life and Hollywood's not really that way. This guy was friends with every type of comedian and actor that we had and seemed like he kept their relationships and got the best out of them. But I think when I think about the movies that he made, the relationships in the movie are why they work. And I think you have to have a director that understands like a set, how to put people together, how to, how to mesh two characters that might make sense on screen and actually have a relationship and then foster that on the set. And I just don't think a lot of people can do it. And, you know, ultimately the rewatchability of his movies comes down to you just like hanging out with the characters. Yeah. I mean, he, there's a really good making of the sure thing that's on YouTube that you can watch along with this movie. And he talks about, he just reads a script, figures out who he is in the movie. Yeah. And then starts thinking about things from that perspective of, okay, if I'm Gibb in the short thing, or if I'm Caffee, even in a few good men, like, how would I go about and how would I perceive these different situations? And he's just really, really good. I mean, he has a quote in that make it in this making of that he says, the emotional difference differences create the obstacles. You don't create the obstacles ahead of time. And so he just finds these people who are just dissimilar enough to create tension. But you know, going into it, like they're going to figure it out by the end of the two hours. And there's something deeply satisfying about that. Yeah. And he, and he also is really good at long scenes, which I think is a lost art, you know, when we do most rewatchable scene, but you think of some of the great scenes that his movies have had, like stand by me, the story about the fact he'd thrown up. Yeah. You know, and him, well, I forget the, well, Wheaton's character's name, but him telling the story to his buddies. Oh yeah. And just the way that plays out. It's like an eight minute scene. There's a couple of unsure thing like that too, or just these long, long pieces. And then he really would know how to nail a moment. Like I like not to step on rewatchable, but I just love the ending of this movie so much with the professor reading the story. Yeah. It's so fucking good. And I'm just, I'm so glad we're doing this because I think this is one of the best 80s movies I really do. Like I, like I'm not, I'm not talking, I'm talking about like teen, the high school college, I have a hottest take for that later, but it's a road trip movie. It's, it's a two opposites romcom. It's a horny teenagers trying to get laid 80s movie. It's weirdly kind of a fun college movie. And it all happens in an hour and 31 minutes or something. Yeah. I mean, it's, it's essentially coming in the aftermath of, of risky business and definitely has some elements of risky business in it, but is a much more grounded, less, maybe less overly stylized and much more like kind of human regular everyday story. I mean, you could see this happening to yourself at any point up until the adventure of the internet. Pretty much. What's the, we usually do Craig's take at the end. We're doing it early because he never seen this movie before. Um, and I knew out of anyone we'd ever done, I knew you would love it. And we have talked about doing this movie for years because I can't believe it's not streaming. I think it's not streaming because of soundtrack, but what'd you think? Embarrassed to say, I'd never even heard of this movie. And I absolutely loved it. This will immediately go on my like favorites of the year for the rewatchables. I adored it. It's a 10 out of 10, five out of five, whatever letterbox score you want to give it. Um, you only need, well, first of all, you only need 90 minutes if you're doing it right. Like you can do it right in 90 minutes. If, uh, if you have it all, all pieced together, Q-Sack, I totally agree. The most likable he's ever been. I've never even really felt that connected to Q-Sack's characters. And I thought this was his best one. I can't believe he was like 16, 17, 17, when they filmed it. Um, Chris and I were talking before that there is a little bit of like a before sunrise element to this movie where it's a lot of these long, slow moments between these two characters. And it's just one shot of them interacting and there's no cuts between them. And you just fully buy into their evolution and their connection by the end of the movie. I think it's incredibly funny and really well written, really heartfelt. Like across the board. It's just, I loved it. When you're a kid, when you're young and you watch this movie, whatever I saw it first on like VHS in the 80s or whatever, you just take, give it face value. And you're like, Oh, this guy's really funny. And he's got like, there's all these different voices and has like all this energy. And then when you watch it now, you're like, Oh, he's, he doesn't know who he is. Yeah. And so he's putting on all these heirs and he's doing all these different characters basically within the movie. And it's such a subtle thing to notice over the years. Craig, you mentioned link like the link later movies. Castle Rock was the production company on on on before, before sunrise and before sunset, right? Yeah. And this feels like it could have been an easily a link later movie. Yes. Um, eight. This, I found something list a couple of months ago that just like I had it from a notebook in college where I just wrote down my favorite movies of all time. This was like in 1991. And this was like number seven. It really was. I love this movie. I watched it every time it was on. Yeah. And for whatever reason, the last 15 years or so it died. And I do think it's one of those movies that like if Amazon got it or Netflix got it, it would immediately be like number one, number two, or number three in the trending for three weeks. Cause it's so much fucking fun to watch. It's, it's also crazy that for Qsack, he's probably not in it because he thought he was going to be in the breakfast club. Oh yeah. And he was cast as John Bender. And then they actually brought him to the, and I don't know what the timing was, whether it would have overlap with this, but he shows up for breakfast club and they're like, Oh, he's all wrong. And they dump him. They fire him. Yeah. Yeah. So they brought in Judd Nelson. So he's at a point in his career where, um, first of all, Reiner would have met with him because he was T.M. for the party. He's supposed to be in college. He'd only been in like class. He was in 16 candles. He's in the background. You could barely see him. And, uh, and they end up filming it from March, April, 1984. He's emancipated. And you watch this and you would have thought he would have been in like eight movies. Yeah. It's basically the first time he's ever been in a movie. He's like in the home run. Almost every shot of the movie. Yeah. So good. He's doing different characters and just caring everything. Um, I wrote down, I was trying to think of the most memorable young actor, 80s movies, performances. And I think it's this, I think it's Broderick and Ferris Buehr. And weirdly, I think it's Judd Nelson in breakfast club. Sure. And I think those are the three for when you watch a movie. First of all, they just kind of own the movie. But then when you saw it, when it happened, you're like, that guy's going to go on and win nine Oscars and Slater and pump up the volume, which is later. I would throw a, is there anyone whom I mentioned? Sean Penn and taps. Oh, that's a good one. Because when you watch that, you're like, Holy shit. I was thinking more like comedies where it was like, wow, this guy's killing it in this. Yeah. There's some other ones like Timothy Hutton, like we could go through cruise and risky business. I guess is a really good one. But definitely a moment where you're like, Oh, this guy's going to be in my life. Cruise and risky business is a good one. And then Daphne Zaniga, who's in this and Vision Quest same year, ends up in Spaceballs. Everybody liked her. And just another one of those things were not enough good parts, probably got market corrected a couple of times and the TV and ends up on Melrose place. This Joe, the rebellious photographer who ends up getting involved with Jake. My favorite kind of photographer and ends up in a little, little love triangle with Jake and Amanda in season two. And then eventually gets impregnated by somebody who tries to kill her at our high school reunion. What season is that happened? That's probably season three. And then her baby gets kidnapped by the dead guy's parents and she had quite a run. Does she die in the show? No, she escaped with the baby after the, after the in-laws tried to kidnap the baby. She decided it was time to leave Melrose place, but I was like there and this part is a great part. It's, it's, oh, I know this person. Yes. Really uptight, kind of cool, pretty. You could tell there's some, a fun person in there somewhere, but she's like, this is going to be my life. I knew these girls in college. As did you. Both Daphne's Nega and Q-Stack talk about their similarities to the characters. And they were like, Reiner clearly just like, she was like, I am way more like Allison than I was. I was way more like Allison than I was comfortable admitting. And Reiner obviously just like got to know these people and recognized who they were and were like, let's bring this part out of you. He worked a lot on the script. I think the movie has so many connections to classic Hollywood screwball comedies. Like it happened one night. Yeah. And that's one of the really, you know, like among the hundred awful things about what's happened here. One of the sad things is the amount of institutional knowledge that goes with Rob Reiner, you know, cause like obviously going back, not only through his television career, but his father's huge career in Hollywood. And this ability to kind of make connections between the past and the present in your work and to show people like, you know, there's only so many stories, right? Like we're just telling them in different ways with different references and with different, you know, updated characters, but like opposites attract on the road. Make two of those a year. That's all you need. Like they're classics for a reason. You just have to modernize them. Why is it not that hard? And he kind of sees like he's, you know, the fan of Preston Sturger, just fan of Frank Capra wants to like kind of make something like this. He gets, gets this gig before Spinal Tap even comes out. Yeah. When you think about how different this is to Spinal Tap, those are his first two movies. That's amazing. I, as somebody who was a kid as his career kind of arched up, he was meathead. It was hard for him to believe that he was even going to direct a movie. And did you think about him as Carl Reiner's son necessarily? Or was it? No, I only knew him as meathead. And it was like, meatheads going to be director. Like that's, you just knew him as meathead. But how, how else was I going to know him? And also like 35 million people watch that show every week. Yeah. And he was like the, you know, that show is like, I would love to be in a room with kids in college watching like season one of All in the Family just to see the reactions. But he was like the hippie, you know, Vietnam protester kind of son-in-law with like this reprehensible, but lovable father-in-law who would just insult everybody. And you just kind of battle with them. And that's kind of who he became. And he was smart enough. He left the show because he was like, I don't want to be meathead. I'm sure I think there's probably more here. But yeah, he didn't shed meathead until this movie. Okay. And after this movie, it was like, oh, Rob Reiner, he's good at this. And then, you know, stand by me that then he was cemented. But this was a big movie. Like this was a really important high school college movie for everyone in my generation. Yeah. It was right. It was in there. It was one of the OGs. It was with Ferris Buehr. It was with Breakfast Club. It was with a lot of Karate Kid, Teen Wolf, all those. It was right there. Of the QZack movies from this era, I think I watched, I mean, before Say Anything came out, I think I probably watched One Crazy Summer or more. But that's just like a higher joke volume. So when I was a kid, that was like that just watching like something that had animation and had like all these different skits within the movie. That was a Zag movie too, where some people are like, you know, what's fucking awesome? One Crazy Summer. This, I watched this a bunch of time. The soundtrack's great. The two of them are awesome together. There's Zaniga and QZack. But then you have Young Anthony Edwards with hair. Yep. Yeah. What a run for him. Revenge of the Nerds and Top Gun. Yeah. Not to step on it, but he was up for Gibb. Right. You have Young Nicolette Sheridan. Fantastic. Just throwing her fastball. Shows up 20 years later in Desperate Housewives. Is that the sure thing, woman? Yeah. Yeah. I have a thought about her character. I'm saving for later. Great. Tim Robbins. Yep. Singing show tunes in the car. One of what would be many collaborations with QZack. Yeah. Yeah. Really good cast. A lot of, a lot of that guys in this movie. Written by Jonathan Roberts and Steven O'Broom. Congratulations guys. You did great. 4.5 million dollar budget made 18.1 million dollars. Not bad for an 1885. Roger Ebert, three and a half stars. Fucking loved it. Fucking killed it. I watched Siskel and Ebert talking about this today. They were like over the moon for it. Well, this is coming off. We should have mentioned this earlier, but this is a five year run of horny teenagers trying to get laid movies. Yeah. The poster of this, the premise of it makes it seem like, oh, we're doing this again. And it's like, no, we're actually not doing this again. Stick with us. So I think those guys were so grateful somebody put some actual thought. And I think, I don't even think this is the hottest take. I think you could argue that this ended the Porquis era. Like this actual, this was the movie that was like, we're done now. Oh, like we now elevated beyond this. We're going to move this way now. Yes. And we're going to put some more thought into this and, you know, because this movie sells sex, but doesn't give you any. I mean, yeah, I mean, there's one sort of comic sex scene in this movie. And other than that, it's pretty chase. And like the marketing and the poster makes you think this is much more of a raunchy teen sex comedy. And it's really not. It's closer to like if the road trip scene from one Harry Met Sally was like the whole movie with 18 year olds. Yeah. There is another movie a year before that compliments been badgering me to do on rewatchables forever, the flamingo kid. Sure. That's different than this movie, but also was like kind of that elevated. You think it's one thing, but it's actually a way better version of it. Ebert said, the love story is one of Hollywood's missing genres. The movie industry seems better at teenage movies like Porquis with its sleazy shower scenes than with screenplays that involve any sort of thought about the love lives of its characters. That's why the sure thing is a small miracle. The film is so revolutionary, believes sex should be accompanied by respect and love exclamation point. Yeah. Right. Right. Just wanted us to work on our relationships and movies. You want to cut to the chase? Uh, all right, we're going to take a break and we'll do most of the watchable scene. Bowser is back. Everyone calm down. The Super Mario Brothers can take care of the kingdom. Let's go on April 1st. Toad pack our things. The galaxy is waiting. Who is this? So some cool dinosaur just shows up and he's now part of the group. Cool. The Super Mario Galaxy movie only in cinemas April 1st. This is your latest idea. It's unique. It's game changing. It's huge. 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I mean, a lot of the big blockbusters now, I feel like pretty much skip the opening credits and get right into like a big action. There's no vibe setting, which is what this really does. The next rewatchable movie we're going to do, which I'm not going to spoil, has opening credits. Yeah, that's true. It was noticeable. It's like, oh guys. Old school. Look at this. Going back to the well. Most rewatchable scene, the first classroom scene that sets up Gibb as our carefree, lovable kind of fuck up. I hope he can pull off just everything in life. And then Allison has the intense overachiever. Some good back and forth with them. I like that. I like a good football scene in these eighties, nineties. Honestly, if they wanted to do the first hour and a half of this movie being just football in the quad, I would have taken it. This is such a funny fucking scene. Yeah. From like him announcing it. Yeah. The announcing that's going on. He also keeps getting, he's like, Ed Reed. He keeps getting it. He's a good athlete. Yeah. Pretty good. He's tall. Yeah. Yeah. I love this scene. And I love the moment where he like runs by Allison and her friend and never like says hi, but just keeps his Pat Somerall announcing going. And then like, it's just kind of looking at her and she's kind of like, it's just such a great little moment that they don't have any real interaction until he goes and stalks her down by the pool. Craig, how much two on two football have you played in your life? Tons. It's on the beach. It's a big movie. That's me. Sport. Movies love the two on two flag football. And then what is it like? What is they were playing five one thousand for Blitz? Yeah. Yeah. They did the stop and go. That's always a good one. So that's the best route. That's the Kevin Petulo right there. You gotta sell the pump fake though. Right. True. I knew nothing as an only child. So basically anything I knew from colleges were from going to visit my uncle Don in my Aunt Louise in college or movies. And I just thought movies were like, I thought college was like movies like this where I absolutely went to your buddy's room and he had 10,000 beer bottles all stacked up. Is it not like that? I feel like it is like that. People play football. No, in my head I was like, this is college. But I thought when like when they're like, it's Friday night. The guy has a Miller high on. A guy opening the window going, it's Friday night. You want to do most giveable moment. I don't know how that Friday beers get on that right now because that's an iconic moment of that. Yeah. That guy's also like 28. But I love that. Yeah. I love that. And then immediately everybody is like playing soccer in the hall and exchanging kegs. Yeah. The swimming pool scene is funny. That's where you're like, oh, Q-Sex is just going to go for it. He's cooking. This whole movie. Yeah. Gib and Allison getting kicked out of Gary Cooper's car. Played by Tim Robbins, which includes show tunes, shotgun and a beer and eating cheese balls, I think, which is the big goon of burger were for best use of food and drink. Allison flashing a car. Yeah. He'll turn the tables and then Tim Robbins escaping with the doors. When that woman screams, she is so funny. His wife. Yeah. She's locked the door and she's like, ah. Possible great shot Gordo award here. There are, they're, they're outside the cars gone in Q-Sex City on the ground, the camera and the road behind them and in Daphne's and Nega's characters behind them. It's a good one. Gib foiling the hitchhiker possible rapist where he does that. I mean, that could be some crazy slime ball. Shit brain. He's really funny in that. He did just for pleasure. The scene where it just starts pouring rain on them. Yeah. And she remembers she has a credit card, but can only use it for birthdays. I hope one comes up. Maybe one will come up. The, I'm a big fan of these scenes of the romcom, the accidental cuddle scene. Yes. Always works. Gib wakes up cuddling Allison. Oh, sorry. Sorry. No, it was all right. Yeah. Like at that point it's like, come on, Gib. She's sending you the official signs now. I mean, she's like, you can sleep in the bed with me. Yeah. Yeah. Come on, Gib. They get a ride and he tells the trucker his whole short thing story, which of course she wakes up for. Two more scenes. The Lance's Hollywood. The Tahiti Fram. His Hawaiian Natives party just sounded amazing. The punch bowl insults were funny. And then the last one, which is my pick, the professor reading the short thing I say. Yes. Does God exist? Who invented liquid soap and why? And then the answer was no. That scene's awesome. Yes. She, you're like, why do they keep going to this professor? Like what's going to be the payoff with her? And it really, Vivica Lindfors, is that who plays her? Yeah, she's some old school. She's an old school Hollywood actress. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, I just want to shout out a honorable mention, rewatchable scene, the dive bar scene. Oh yeah. I do. I do. So random. But the guy being like, I had fried food today. I shouldn't have done it. You know, like, and it's just like those three guys sitting at the bar and being like, we're pretty good looking, you know, I love that. But, uh, we were better at the 80s and 90s, which is having random dive bar scenes with weird characters. But it's also like that scene doesn't actually have like a purpose other than this is maybe where he's going to wind up if he doesn't get his shit together. I guess the only scene that can be cut and it might be my favorite scene in the movie. The waitress who keeps coming back and he just keeps giving her like random facts. And she's just like, cool. That's one of my two flexes are that two I wrote down in this scene is the Rick Dalton Award for the best fucking acting I've ever seen in my life. The fat drunk guy at the bar, I think is some of the best drunk acting I've ever seen. Like, is this Brando in makeup for something like remarkably good. I looked him up. His name is George Mamoli. He actually died in 1985. He's been in a bunch of other movies. He had an accident on set. He was supposed to be in Taxi Driver Scorsese in an interview in 2002. Said he died because of that injury on set. But, oh, I know. It's crazy. Craig's like really bringing it today. I know. I honestly loved it. I feel like I've already seen the movie 10 times, even though I've watched it once. I'm going to say, fuck it. I'm going to go with the dive bar, even though Allison's not in it. That's my most rewatchable scene. Have you ever had a professor who could read anything that well in front of a class? I was going to bring up creative writing workshops a little bit later, but we can. I've never had. I've had some pretty magnetic professors, but they were more like monologuing, doing their lectures. The creative writing workshops are a real crapshoot. My eighth grade English teacher, Wally Ramsey, father of my buddy Gus, he would read essays sometime and was really good at it. That's the only one I can remember. She's going first pass on that essay. It's just nailing it. It's really, really crushing it. Also, she does the thing that I don't think teachers do anymore, was she grades people out loud in front of everyone? Yeah. Now that would cause that would cause an absolute. She's like, Allison, I liked it, but open up a little bit more. Yeah. B plus. That's just like ghosting an expert. That's how they got Lydia Tarr, you know? I should do that at the end of the year with the ringer staff. On, on Mike, review every podcast. Yeah. How? I thought you had a great year. To be fair, you opened this podcast doing that to me. Yeah, that's true. A little bit of fluff in the beginning, CR. Yeah, but then you got to where you needed to go. Yeah. What's the most 1985 thing about this movie? Writing detailed letters to your friends from high school? Yeah. Yes. Dear Sean, I'm having a great time in school. I saw one battle after another. I thought it was awesome. I know you must have loved it. And then you would just send it and not hear for three days. Yeah. We really did do that. I would send, I would send letters to my friends. I would say that my emails to friends were still pretty long until I got G chat and like O2. And then it just turned into like, like everything was one sentence. But like up until like when you first had to like go to the library to log into your email, I would still be like, well, I'm only coming here like twice a week. So I'm writing a long email. We would have the mailbox in college was like genuinely exciting to go to the mailbox every day and see if you got a letter from somebody. It's really strange. Sounds like a better time. I like the line from Lance. I'm talking to you cordless. Yeah. That's pretty 1985. More 1985 writing funny sex story letters to penthouse. Yes. Everyone tried this in the 80s. I did not. But I'm talking to cordless. Everyone. Everyone. Trust me. I'm talking to cordless. I had and then Allison had an amazing culture club poster room. She had the Paul Newman one and culture club, right? The culture club poster probably had a five month shelf life. By 1986, you're not having that post. No, you've moved on to the boss or something. Did you have any other? I don't know if this is still a thing, but the ride bulletin board. So I wondered about that. I wondered if they still must have that though, right? Or maybe it's now a message board. I just feel like it's either a message board or it's just like, yeah, my buddy is driving back to Atlanta, so I'm going to get a ride with him or something. You know, like it's the idea of just being like, I guess I'll get in this car for three days with this person who's the only thing I know about them is that they put an index card up on a bulletin board. It seems highly unlikely. I had this at one stage the worst, but getting a ride with them, but then also sharing a hotel with two double beds with strangers. I got to admit, I don't think that happens in 25. No, but I will say what some of the best road trips I've ever had have been like random going back to going back home for Thanksgiving with a couple of like like Andy and I used to go back to Philly with Thanksgiving. He would take a bunch of his buddies from Brown University with him. So I would drive some people with me and it would always be the best. Like those those like we're out of school for a week. Let's go is the best feeling. What saves the best the soundtrack, which I think is the reason this movie is not streaming includes Rod Stewart infatuation, Hugh Lewis, Hard Rock and Roll. John Waits crying over you, which I forgot how much I loved. Yeah. Harding. Sing it crying over you. He had a couple of bangers. Wait, he really did. Eagles Heartbreak Tonight. Yeah, the cars you might think Wang Chung, Dan Saldez lights out by Peter Wolf. And then Penny Lover by Lionel Richie. Yeah, which is maybe his best song. It's like, I think that's like a zag. I don't know if I believe it, but I think you could say it's his best constructed song. Better than Smells Like Teen Spirit. This one, well, I can't wait to talk about that. Um, more what's aged the best. I mentioned how the movie made college seem just so great. But it's like an awesome place. I would say I couldn't decide whether to put it in best or worst. But the the scene of Anthony Edwards calling John Cusack from from with 10 people. Just lounging. He's in UCLA, but it seems like he's at Pepperdine because he's got the. No, he said he was at his buddy's Malibu. That's right. He's at his buddy's Malibu place. And like, there's just like 14 girls drinking diet, coaxing the playboy mansion. Basically. Yeah. And he's just like, were you doing that at San Diego? On your buddies. Was it not like that? Dude, we're in La Jolla. I'm talking to your cordless. That is one of like the hardest things to get your head around, though. Like when you if you've gone to, if you went to college in the Northeast and then you hear about what college was like for people who went to school in Southern California, just like, God damn it. What was it? What was I thinking? Why did I think nine months of dark, cold weather would be a good idea? There's a couple of schools out here that are like that, like that you the UCSB was like the stealth like fight club. No, the the student body didn't even talk about it. They didn't want to know us to know. Yeah. Now everyone knows, but I think that they had it like hidden for a while. Like just like how great it was. Yeah. How great it is to go to school in Santa Barbara and just have a huge party town. They're like legendary for there for Halloween there. It's insane. But San Diego is another one that like just good place to go to college. A lot of stuff coming on. I like the line. How would you like to have a sexual encounter so intense it could change your political views? Just good writing. What's age the best professors with cool accents, reading essays in class? Yeah, I had this in college, Professor Vanna Shelley, RIP. Snowy college campuses, fun. I want to shout out for what's age the best, the stuffy boyfriend that she had in two minutes. Yeah. In two minutes, he talks about his flannel sheets that he just put on. He he has choices of tea. He cleared out his her draw for her for the week. And then he's a big gin rummy guy. Yeah. Offering to give her extra points. They just nailed everything with that. And every time she's just like, let's go to Disneyland. He's like, well, Disneyland is for children. Yeah. Um. The whole concept of giving somebody a real name like Nick, Nick's your buddy, Nick's the guy you can trust. Nick will let you puke in your car. Do you think Nick's the right name for that? In 1985. I thought it's Ben. That was one of the reasons I named my son Ben. I feel like Ben's are just really reliable. When does it Ben ever let you down? And then Lance's room. Which not only had the 100 different beer bottles, but had the 1984 tennis poster of the girl's ass where she's putting the ball in and there's an ash cheek, which was there in the 80s for a while. But I think I think people realized eventually like this isn't the greatest way to have the absence. I did have for once age the worst what Lance's room probably smelled like. Because you know, he's not thoroughly washing those beer bottles out. So it probably just smells like sweat. Oh, it smells like skunk beer. And skunk beer. And he's like, this is the love phallus. This is where I take all the chance. You have any other what's aged the best? No, I mean, just the vision of 1980s college life was really aged the best between the classes, the fashions. The I love the way Allison has divided her day, where she's like, you know, six o'clock calculus, 645 phone call, you know, like, yeah. And just like the Friday night partying and stuff like that. That was my favorite. Also, what's aged the best is we're actually, you know, you could say it's the worst, but was it easier back then when somebody would just be like, Hey, here's a picture of a girl I think you might like, and that was the extent of the knowledge that you had. And you had to actually like go meet that person. Yeah, go across country. We should mention what's aged the best young Q-sec. Just knowing that you're going to spend the next 40 years with this guy. I have a special Amanda Dobbins award for the best piece of real estate. The three story Malibu house and Gibbs's Dreams. Yes. Great house. That's like a hundred million dollar house now. Oh, it's insane. Three stories right on the beach. It's like a staircase. I wonder where they shot that. Do you think that was in Malibu? Do you think that was in like 100? I think it was like way down in Malibu. Okay. Sort of like when it when it gets a little barren. Great shot. Go to our word. Can we just say the man who shot this film shot there will be blood. That is fucking nice. And another hallmark of Rob Varner movies. He works with incredible people. He picks like the best people to shoot and cut and write his movies. And Robert Ellsworth was the DOP on this. Yeah. I wouldn't know that if you put two frames next to each other, but it is an indication of his eye for talent. Yeah. I mean, that was like Goldman's favorite guy to do stuff with. Yeah. And Goldman, when he started working with him, Goldman, Goldman and Robert Town were the two best screenwriters. Yeah. Riders like come on and Goldman was going through, I think a little bit of a tough time, like writer's block, back issues and the Reiner stuff really like being bigger. Like Tracy McGrady. Yeah. A little bit like Tracy McGrady on the Rockets. Great shot, Gorda. I was going to say the wallet being in the bed is so well done. Yes. When it's that shot of them looking, them looking, they're looking around and then they leave and it just comes down and you just see the wallet and all the stuff is really good. Would you have? I just had the dolly shot of Gib walking up and down the pool, yelling at her. Oh, yeah. It's just like a right on the edge of absurd. Yeah. He jumps in the pool and it's just like such a great like piece of visual, a visual joke. Kid Cuddy pursuit of happiness where best needle drop. It could be infatuation up in credits, but I think Penny Lover drops at a really nice time for the slow dance. I thought you might think when you walk into the frat party was like, that's what I want to hear if I was walking into a Tahitian themed frat party. That's good. CR's choice for a flex category. What do you got? Book about medals award for belatedly best quote or exchange is when Qsack says that he plays football for Gremlin and his friends like, I thought I thought Gremlin was all black. She's like, just go so black. It's such a random line. He's like, it's nine interceptions on this season for Gremlin. He's like, I thought Gremlin was all black. That's a good one. Butch's girlfriend award for weak link of the film. They just don't do a good enough job with the, the shared and character, the sure thing. Oh, Nikolai. Yeah, you know, feeling, even in the moment, not feeling great for her, but then the years later, she's just, she's, I don't know, I just feel bad for her. I wish she had been like 10% more like kind of on it. So neither. No, you think it's perfect? No, no, no. I think it's, it's the only glaring issue with this movie is that he's getting this gorgeous girl woman at UCLA is just roaming around a frat party with. Just waiting for her. Nothing to do. She's literally getting pimped out by Anthony Edwards. He's just like, come here and she's ready for it. Sure. I, and for the next hour and a half, I'll just follow John Q. Sackrad and hope he talks to me. No other man is speaking with me. I have nothing else to do. Yeah. She's like the hottest woman in LA. And no one's getting near her. Don Simpson's step step son is probably there or whatever. She would be hounded. She would have been hounded. You know what I'm talking about? Some guy in the East Coast. But this was an 80s trope where the, either it was that or it was Lori Loughan and Secret Admirer with nobody likes her and she's like smoking hot. The, the, the casting or the presentation of the two other people in these people's lives. So Jason, the boyfriend at UCLA and Nicolette Sheridan, it's like, I could stand for them to be a little bit more relatable or human, but like, I understand why you have to make them caricatures. Yeah, they're like props. Yeah. Yeah. What's age the worst? Q Sack tries a ballet girl accident at one point, which was very in vogue in 85. But now it's like. I don't know if somebody did that now. I don't know if anyone's getting the joke or you think they were doing like the California occasion. What was that? The California scare. Yeah. I have a good what's age the worst though. And this was a theme for 80s movies. 80s teens being really fascinated by stars and outer space as a way to make it seem more human to girls. This is, this is a big one and can't buy me love. But it's a lot like it was a way to show that there was more to the guy than just trying to get laid. We'd be like, it's all out there, man. All these stars and be like, kind of them having a moment. Yeah. Yeah. I now I realized I probably should have done that more when I was trying to get it out there. There's like a telescopes became more widely available kind of thing that it's happening with that. What do we have too much info and outer space now? And it's like, yeah, there's some shit up there. We've kind of, we've kind of explored everything, put some satellites. And it's just some stars. There's no human life. I have for what's age the worst, the character named Walter Gibson, not a name you see a lot on a lot of white guys anymore. No, he'd be like a left guard for the Jacksonville Jackwars. Walter Gibson's probably going to come back. He really, Kirby smart really saw something in him. Writing workshops. I know they help people with their work, but I, you have to listen to a lot of bad writing when you're in writing workshops. And you, and you have to do a lot of kind of really forced in a compliments. Yeah. Like I had to like, at Everton, I had to listen to like Vampire Erotica and just be like, that was pretty good. Yeah. I think you may want to think about the last act. Chris, you really have an eye for characters. Your ear for dialogue is amazing. Yeah. Ear for dialogue is a good compliment. Hitchhiking. Yeah. We don't do that too much anymore. Probably age the worst and. You know what? We don't do it because Netflix has been 45 true crime documentaries that end with a hitchhiker be murdered. Not to get dark, but was there a definitive end to hitchhiking? Yeah. And at the end of the seventies. Okay. Yeah. I think the seventies it was going and then there were actually like PSA TV movies that I remember watching. Don't hitchhike. The late seventies where it was like, this guy. Did you ever hitchhike? Never. Okay. By the eighties people didn't do that. Okay. But it was member of Paul Thomas Anderson's dad. Yeah. Who would do the ABC ads. They would do like, sadly thought it would be a good idea to go cross country. She thought wrong. The angel dust. Diary of a teenage hitchhiker to night at night on ABC. But yeah, they put the fair guy in you with the after school specials and everything else. It's a good scene obviously and it helps his character develop. But I don't know if Allison for who she is, for how pragmatic she is, if she would have gotten in that car with that guy. I think she's at her wit's end though. I guess. I mean, they are in the great planes in that scene. So like, I don't know where she's going. Yeah. I'm probably at this point, it's aged the worst to travel 3000 miles to get laid, just because there are apps now. Yeah. He's just going on. But what site would he go on now, Craig? Not that I use them, but Bumble, Hinge, Tinder, no free ads. Not that I use them. Not that, that big a sponsored segment with Craig. Raya, if you're really cool. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think Gibbs getting on Raya. The Ruffalo, Hannah Rubinick, Partridge overacting word. It's Qsac a couple of times, but I love it every time. Qsac the hitch. Totally necessary. Qsac the crazy hitch. Totally necessary. So do we retire this CR thanks Luke Wilson, could have been Harrison Ford, Hottest Take Award and change it to the Rob Mahoney, thinks smells like teen spirit sucks award. I think it's, is it time? I'm willing to give it over. Yeah. I think so. Is it time? Sure. The categories could use a new coat of paint. Yeah. It's okay. So we call it the Rob Mahoney, thinks smells like teen spirit sucked the whole time. We should do a rewatchable's Hottest Take, like March Madness Bracket. Oh, like a clip show. And then just have like a different. All of the Hottest Take's like the best 64 we've ever done and have them compete and see which one wins. My Hottest Take for be it Rob Mahoney or the Luke Wilson is that Gib and Allison met just a hair too early to make it really work in their lives. It's just freshman year's tough, man. Freshman year and for that to be the forever relationship, those guys are going to go through a lot of changes. They're going to discover a lot of new music. They're going to try some different drugs. Like it's about to get really cocky out there in the 80s. You never know what's going to happen. And I just don't really know if Gib is going to be able to like dial it in academically. I think they're, they're supposed to be at like Cornell. You know, Allison's not going to knock. I was not brown, but yeah, Cornell could be to New York that they're supposed to be in, but yeah, it's a sad, sad little truth, but I don't think Gib and Allison are forever couple. I had this later for probably an answerable. So I'll just do it now. I think it's going great. And I think he gets drunk one night and makes out with another girl. And she never forgives him. And then at some point, campus police might have had to intervene because he kept showing up at a room in the morning. Over under sophomore first semester that they make it to. You think they make it through that first summer? No. Really? I think they do. I think they make it through most of college and he starts to have the same crisis he has at the end of high school, where he's like, I, I, I gotta go on and be myself and do something else. I can't be with the same girl into my twenties. Do you think Lance remains a thorn in the side for the relationship? Or has he become like? No, Lance is out. He bears a biologist. I think Gib wins the intramural football championship. And it goes right to his head. Tress versus gambling? Yeah, Tress versus gambling. He hits the portal. My, uh, my CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford, How Does Take, which we're now retiring and Amy after Rob Mooney and Smuzzlec, Teen Spirit, How Does Take Award. I think Risky Business and the Sure Thing are the two best 80s teen movies. With teen characters as the protagonist. Risky Business and the Sure Thing. Okay. I think they are the top two. I would have Breakfast Club third and I've Cradikid fourth. You don't have, is Bueller five? I think I would have Bueller five. Really? Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Okay. That's, if I had the amount Rushmore I'd have those as the four and then Bueller five and Bueller versus Cradikid's a good argument. It's a, I mean Cradikid's like, I don't know. I just think more of a sports movie than I do as a teen movie. All right, fair. I'll bump Cradikid. Risky Business, Sure Thing, Breakfast Club, Ferris. Yeah. As a Mount Rushmore. I think that's, I think that might be it for me. I'll move Cradikid to the sports movie territory. Thank you. Yeah. All right. Casting what ifs. You mentioned Anthony Edwards almost got the lead and then Q-Sat got the part. They moved him over. Robin Wright auditioned for the title role. Didn't get it. For Nicolette Sheridan's part. Filed it away for, for Princess Bride. To your point or to our point where we're like, if it's Robin Wright. If the movie doesn't work. Yeah. Because she's the most beautiful person ever existed. It's unrealistic that she would be single for a minute and a half. It would also be like, thanks for the ride, Allison. I'll see you later. Yeah. Right. Allison, bye. I hope it works out with point. I'm transferring. Good luck with that. She didn't brought me. Best that guy word. Oh, there's a couple other casting what ifs. Anthony Edwards was up for Gib as we said and Mayor winning him for Allison. Probably, Zuniga's probably better. Yeah, but you can see it in St. almost fire. Yeah. You can see like where they were coming from. I almost did that for my hottest take. Maybe, maybe I could do a second one. Go ahead. It's your pod. Daphne Zuniga, I think should have been in the Brat Pack. I think she easily could have replaced Alishidi and all the Alishidi parts. And I would rather, I just would rather have her than Alishidi. Just in general. I think St. almost fire is better with her. I think breakfast club is better with her. So I would say. I even think bad boys would be better. There's a weird moment right at that weird moment, but it's like one crazy summer. Demi Moore is basically playing the Daphne Zuniga part. It's the person that that Q-Zax character is kind of with the whole movie. Yeah. But is distracted from and then eventually realizes like I'm in love with this person, right? And I wonder how much of a Demi Moore career Zaph, Daphne Zuniga could have had. Interesting. She ended up getting knocked up by her high school reunion guy and then fighting for custody with her in-laws. Season three. Best that guy. The trucker. Larry Hanken. You know who the trucker is? No. Did you wreck it? Like where you like, I've seen this guy on his TV actor. No, didn't recognize him. He played the cranky friends neighbor who ended up dying. Oh. He also played Kramer. Who ended up dying. Oh. He also played Kramer's alter ego in the Seinfeld. The Bizarro episode. No. Was it the Bizarro episode or the one where they did the TV show about Seinfeld? I can't remember. I think it was when they did the TV show. Oh, okay. And Kramer didn't get to play Kramer, but somebody else did. I think that was Larry Hanken. It's been around for a long time. Carmen Flippi was, or Flippi was the bus station bum in the homeless man. And in this movie, he was the preacher in Halloween 4. And he's in a bunch of Tim Burton movies. That's a good one. And he's in a wedding singer. Yeah. One more break and then we'll do DM Waiters. DM Waiters award. You know, I checked, I do do a rewatchable's mail bag or a mail bag for my pot or some sort of mail bag. Multiple people have pushed for this to be the Bill Paxton award. Instead of the DM Waiters award. I'm not good with changing DM Waiters. I think DM. Spend 10 years at DM Waiters. A core part of the philosophy of the pot. Yeah, I don't feel like we can change that. It's not so funny that he's been at a basketball for five years. He, it's a real race to see who people know less, DM Waiters or we on the city. You know, or Wayne Jenkins. Might be DM. DM Waiters, the teacher, Fivica Limfors, Tim Robbins, Anthony Edwards' Lance, or the short thing. I actually think it's the teacher. I think you're right. Robbins is right behind them. Yeah, Robbins is great. Take good care of yourself. You belong to me. Why aren't you singing, honey? He's just, he's kind of mad that they're not singing in the back. We cast the couch director of city. I love everybody. I wouldn't change a thing. I maybe would identify the college campus and really go hard on like a Georgetown or a Brown or just so we know where we are, but they didn't want to do that. Yeah, it's like a year too late. It would just be really, it would be really fun if like Tom Cruise was Lance. Yeah. Rob Lowe could have been Lance. I'm surprised he wasn't available. I'm coming from, I'm coming to your cordless. Craig has a flex category. I did the Rick Dalton. Can I just save it for picking it? Yep. Cause I, yeah. High-fives starting at research. Some guy named Robert Bauer played the same character named Moke in this end spinal tap. The scene when Gib teaches Allison a shot and a beer was added to the script because Q-Sack told Reiner, this was one of his talents. That's everything. Where'd it go? Reiner said he shot at multiple colleges. So it'd be a generic, but obviously Ivy Lager, Desk Hack time. I will say, I forgot to put this at what stage the worst is that now that I've lived in California for a little while, like you can tell 90% of the movie is shot in California, even though it's a road movie. True. And you can be like, oh yeah, this is just Stockton. Gib is wearing the green and gold, green and gold kangaroos jersey of an Australian national rugby league team of that era. And they just, they gave it to him because they liked the way the jersey looked, but then I guess for the next 10, 20 years, people were mentioning it to Q-Sack. I just assumed that all T-shirts that John Q-Sack wears in John Q-Sack movies are John Q-Sack's T-shirts. Yeah. He's always like, yo kangaroos. He's like, what? Apex Mountain Q-Sack. No. That's not what I'm talking about. Daphne Zaniga. He's got probably space balls the next year. How about Apex Mountain for whatever sexual position Gib's roommate is going? Is I honestly? He, we should have put him in the on-way. I gotta say, I've never seen it before. I don't even know what you would call it. Is that the spelunker? Like what's he doing? He was the skit, what do they call him? Skin crawlers or skin walkers? He was like, skin walker. You believe in skin walkers? No, I don't know. What are skin walkers? It's on Instagram. You can, if you follow like any of those weird accounts, they'll start serving you skin walker stuff. What are you talking about? It's like, it's like the wide shot of like, there's like a security camera to bank and like a skin walker walks by. It's like these little skeletons that walk weird. They kind of go long legs. What does this have to do with the sexual position in the door room though? Because they have like their, their legs are backwards. Bill, what the fuck are you talking about? I've never seen this. You've never seen skin walkers? No, I've never. It's like an AI like bit that they do. Obviously I'm following better Instagram accounts. Although I may be done with Instagram. I'm tired of the AI. I'm tired of getting fooled by the AI. Yeah. I saw one the other night of like, I was like, I was pretty gripped by it. I got, I got hoodwinked with people in like a skyscraper pool, like a pool that like looks out over the sky and a glass starts to break and they're like, oh, it's AI. I was like, fuck dude. I was like, this is pretty good. I saw one where there was a fistfight at a game and the guy got punched and rolled down the stairs and went off the baseball stadium like triple deck. Yeah. Like we would have heard about that. And I was like, I probably would have seen this on sports center. This happened. Yeah. They would have led sports center. Coming up next. Honestly, can you imagine if sports center just became like the chive and it was just like, here's like an incredible thing that happened. That's what they should do at sports centers. Just do AI videos. Crowd fights. It's just ridiculousness. Instead it's like Saturday or Saturday. What do you got first, Jeff? I told Shrager he's got to do Peter's pants. That like that could be his hook segment. Did he like that? It's time for Peter's pants. And then he like has pants. And a storm doing skin walker of the week. Is a skin walker a real thing or a made up name? This is like kind of terrifying because he's like, I don't know. First of all, how you made that association. So you were talking about his body was like bent in a weird spot. Where did that phrase come from? Is that what is a skin walker? Oh, here's the skin walker. The good dog sparking at the skin walker. Yeah, Bill. They're like skeletons. That's a cartoon, man. I'm just telling you that it's on Instagram. I don't know what's going on. Oh my God. Uh, wait, I have more apex mountain skin walkers. Yeah. Anthony Edwards. No, did you say road trip movies? I was about to. Yeah. Road trip movies. No, this is not run. This is a green book. No, it's been never read. Green book. We got to stop here and do some music. Hitch hiking. No, no. Shotgunning beers. Has it been done better? Has it been a more integral part of a movie? Do they shotgun beers at Animal House? Am I forgetting that? I like how they bring it back in this, where she does it. Yeah. In front of her boyfriend. It's really funny. I'm going to say yes. Nicola Charitin, no, Desperado's wise. She also does. She shotguns it in real life. I mean, she crushes that. Yeah. She does a good job. Pull 45. Is he drinking beers just in this guy's car, like at 10 in the morning? Yeah. That is pretty funny. I'd be pretty annoyed by that. 80s teen movies, no. Cruise or Hank's? I got Hank Spielberg for Cruise. I have Hank Spielberg as well. This would have been a good Tom Hanks movie. Although you're right, Cruise easily could have been the Anthony Edwards part. Yeah. Talk to the cordless buddy. What role would Philip Seymour often have played? I think it's Gibbs buddies. It's definitely Lance coming to you cordless. And then when Gibbs like, I can't come, he's like, shut the fuck up, shut up, shut up. You're like, hey, Gib, how's the peeping? Pick a dance. How did Gib actually get in the cowboy rapist truck? He jumped in the truck bed. How did the trucker not know? I think he was more interested in taking off his wedding ring and stuff. We talked about this, but why is the sure thing so excited about meeting Gib? Yeah, we don't know. Pretty sure she has plans every night. And then Lance completely bottles it by being like, he's gay and a virgin. Yeah. Yeah. When it's like, I... She was trying to, it was a ploy to make her feel bad for him. I guess. It's just such a weird move. The whole thing's a little weird. It's Lance a good friend. Well, it actually leads me to a possibly unanswerable question, which is, you know, in the beginning of the movie, Gibbs, like I had sex six times in high school, sophomore and junior year mostly. And I'm like, you think he's lying? Do you think it gives a virgin? And that's why he's like, I'm willing to go all the way across the country to get laid. So he's doing the Niagara Falls area. Yeah. He's like, I had sex six times. Yes. But Lance seems to know that he had sex. Lance just seems to be taking his word for it, but I don't think he's like interrogating it much because he seems to think Gibbs like in a slump. Yeah. Well, he's using all this astronomy pickup lines. So I mean, like start there. Yeah. Out of space. It just never really worked. Yeah. But then we find out later, like, you know, that's a... That's when friends went off the wheels a little bit, when Ross was using that with Rachel. He took her to like the astronomy, whatever, to try to get her. Yeah. It's like, look at the stars. Oh, the observatory? No, but like, isn't it like the... Astronomy. Planetarium. Planetarium. The edit at the end is very 80s and corny. When she reads the essay, for some reason the class stops. Everybody just starts talking. It's just chaos in the class and she comes up to him and it looks like they're about to kiss. And then it cuts to them on the roof about to kiss. Yeah. And it's just like... Let them kiss. I don't know. Yeah. I don't know if that one worked. I don't know if we had the technology in 1985 for that. The only thing Liz and I were like, oh, I think I could have lived with another couple minutes. Like, it ends so abruptly. It's like this awesome resolution and they're on the roof, they're kissing credits. I could have like, yeah, had them exchange a couple lines or something. But this is your rule. But it's only 92 minutes. It could have been 94 if you give me a little... I mean, I feel like you build up all the way to this and then it ends. It kind of cuts you a little short. Was this your flex? Well, yes, that. And then a very small picking knits. I feel like Gibbs Pajamas on this trip are fucking bizarre. Yeah. He's in like a really like, translucent, dirty, white cutoff. That's like almost a v-neck. And like thin, capri, gray sweats. It's kind of awesome. Really weird male pajama. And she's like, jump on in bed. He also is like, how many clothes did he pack in that duffel bag? He also has a nice suit to wear for dinner that's like perfectly ironed. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know how much... I don't know how he was able to pull that off. I could have gone with another like four minutes at the Hawaiian party. Yeah. Like we didn't need to just be immediately centered on him versus Allison. Like I could have met a couple other people. Sure. I was almost thinking this could be a Craig rewatchables category. How many minutes should this movie have been exactly? Because Craig, he's never satisfied with the length. Do you know what though? Even when it's 90 minutes, he's like, I could have gone for another eight. I... The film and show could have been 10 minutes longer. I think this just needs a minute more at the end for the resolution. I just don't know what they need to do there. Because that's when I think you get into like it's the graduates. Like now what with them, you know? Like... It's still a football game. You just made up champions. That's right. It might even just have been the editing was so quick. Like it was just, they really like get in and get out. Secret, prequel, prestige, TV, all black cast are untouchable. You know, there's like definitely a prestige TV kind of something that you could have pulled off with this. I just don't know where it goes for a second season. I'm trying to think of the other day, like if there are really good road trip TV shows that aren't like kung fu, like there aren't like... The whole point is like this person goes from town to town. But how long could their road trip be before it would be like... So could it be like seven episodes each day is its own episode? That's a long time to be getting into hijinks. I think maybe untouchable. This is so perfectly paced where you think that they're on the road, the whole movie. They don't get into Tim Robbins' car until the 31st minute. You get so much time in college getting like the opposites part before they attract. It's really great. All black cast could have worked too. Is this movie better than Wayne Jenkins? And then you could add the grambling thing. Really worked. You know? Is this movie better than Wayne Jenkins or everyone else we have in this category? I haven't done a brimly in a while. You know? And I was just imagining like what happens like Allison and Gibber together for a little while. And then, you know, here's your Allison going down to the mailbox to get her latest copy of Branta or the Paris Review. What does she find instead? She finds Hardik Gibb. Another one of your letters to Penthouse has been published. Do you think Gibb gives up his... Like, you know, like he obviously wants... I know that's his roommate's letter, but you think Gibb gives up like the writing letters to Penthouse even after him. And Allison, do the deed? Yes. Okay. I do. I had long legs picking them up with their head checking. Come on in the car, Allison. She's pretty much like, sure, whatever. I gotta get out of here. It seems like you're fighting with that boy. Just one Oscar who gets it. Ryder? Ryder. Yeah, I think it's Ryder. Probably an answerable questions. What kind of credit card, Bill? Was her dad looking at in January? So that dinner alone, it's granted it's 85. Couple hotel rooms. Yeah. Some food on the way. 600 bucks in 1985. Yeah, sounds good. And you think Gibb and Allison, you think they made it a year? I think that they maybe make it to first semester or sophomore year, but then it really starts to come apart. I think that's fair. That's when intramural football really kicks in a high gear for him. What piece of memorabilia would you want or not want from this movie? I would take the actual essay that closed the movie, whatever the written one. I would even take the one with the pepperoni stains on it. Yeah, either one. Coach Finstack Award. By the way, was that handwritten that essay, right? Yeah, I think so. That we should have put that in. What's the most 1985 thing about the movie? Is people handwriting their essays? Handwriting your work. I didn't see any like word processors or typewriters or anything like that. Coach Finstack Award, best life lessons. Next time just take the bus the whole way. Well, I didn't get to this and probably answer the questions. What's the return trip plan? Because Gibbs like I'm broke. I can't fly. So if he's in LA, what's the plan to get back to class and time to start taking tests? Is it? He's borrowing money from Lance. Yeah. Okay. Who's at that point has become one of the best madams in Hollywood. He's investing in the Clippers. Yeah. Best double feature choice. I had stand by me. I have one crazy summary. Oh, yeah. I like that. And then who won the movie? It's probably Qsack, but we'll say Reiner for this one. Any last thoughts, Craig? I agree with you. This and Risky Business are probably my two favorite teen movies that I've never seen before. So good. Well, we haven't done Sacred Amirah yet. I'll be interested to see how that resonates with you. This is great. Yeah. Maybe this will inspire somebody to just pay for the music and have this stream again. It's the Lost Rob Reiner Classic. I really can't tell what the deal is here. I guess it must be the soundtrack. That's it. RIP, Rob Reiner. We're going to miss you. Good to see you, man. Thanks, CR. Thanks, Craig. Thanks, Gahau. See you next time on The Rewatchables.