The Ringer NFL Draft Show

Power Ranking NFL Rules We Want Changed, the One Second Christmas Song Challenge, and Fantasy Court

99 min
Dec 24, 20254 months ago
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Summary

The Ringer Fantasy Football Show hosts debate NFL rule changes they'd like to see, ranging from realistic proposals (unjuicing kicking balls, banning push plays) to absurd banana ball concepts (power plays, fan punching rights). The episode also features a Christmas one-second song challenge and fantasy court ruling on league punishment enforcement.

Insights
  • NFL kicking has become overpowered due to combined rule changes (dynamic kickoffs moving touchbacks to 35-yard line + allowing year-round ball conditioning), resulting in 60+ yard field goals becoming routine rather than exceptional
  • Emergency backup quarterback system (like hockey's e-bugs) is realistic and solves the Chris Aloteikin problem of unqualified players entering games due to injuries
  • Instant replay standards need objective limits (e.g., three views per angle maximum) rather than unlimited review time, as human decision-making degrades with excessive information
  • Loser's bracket tournament for draft order in final weeks would eliminate tanking incentives, create meaningful games for eliminated teams, and generate gambling/sponsorship revenue
  • Taunting penalties have become excessive and counterproductive—they eliminate memorable moments while clips of penalized celebrations drive social media engagement
Trends
NFL rule changes often have unintended consequences when multiple reforms interact (kickoff safety + ball conditioning = field goal inflation)Sports leagues increasingly adopting gambling-adjacent mechanics (spreads, tournaments, betting integration) to drive engagement and monetizationYounger audiences expect more entertainment/chaos in sports (banana ball influence, taunting allowance, power plays) versus traditional rule enforcementEmergency/backup player systems gaining traction across sports as injury management becomes critical competitive factorInstant replay and officiating technology reaching diminishing returns—more review time doesn't improve accuracy and slows gamesFantasy sports and gambling integration becoming primary revenue driver for sports media and leaguesRelegation/promotion systems gaining credibility in American sports discourse as solution to competitive balance and engagement
Topics
NFL Rule Changes and ReformKicking Ball Conditioning and Field Goal AccuracyDynamic Kickoff Rules and Field PositionInstant Replay Standards and OfficiatingEmergency Backup Quarterback SystemPush Play and Goal Line PenaltiesTaunting Penalties and Player ExpressionLoser's Bracket Tournament FormatDraft Order and Tanking IncentivesFantasy Football League Punishment EnforcementThrowback Uniform PoliciesHolding Penalty Point ValuesSafety Scoring (2 vs 4 points)Power Play Implementation in FootballRelegation System for Sports Leagues
Companies
Chime
Financial technology company sponsoring the episode, offering fee-free banking and cash back rewards
Fanduel
Sports betting platform mentioned as potential sponsor for loser's bracket tournament and gambling integration
Herbal Essences
Hair care brand advertising Moroccan Argan Oil elixir product in episode ad read
The Ringer
Parent media company producing the fantasy football podcast show
Spotify
Mentioned in context of employee (Bex) attending NFL game in London
People
Danny Hyphens
Primary host of The Ringer Fantasy Football Show leading episode discussion
Danny Kelly
Co-host contributing to rule change debate and fantasy court decisions
Craig Horlbeck
Co-host proposing loser's bracket tournament format and kicker walk-out music rule
DK Metcalf
Referenced in context of fan interaction incident and hypothetical fan-punching rule
Brandon Aubrey
Example of kicker making multiple 60+ yard field goals this season
Joe Flacco
Proposed as ideal emergency backup quarterback candidate for NFL system
Troy Aikman
Mentioned as expressing disgust over excessive taunting penalties
Terry McCauley
Proposed to have veto button authority over instant replay decisions in booth
Goodell
Referenced regarding push play ban proposal using Packers as test case
Tyreek Hill
Example of player penalized for peace sign celebration in end zone
Tyler, the Creator
Mentioned as performing song in new animated Grinch movie
Judy Garland
Performer of 'Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas' noted as Craig's favorite
Quotes
"They've fucked with the ecosystem. They're changing football for the worse."
Craig HorlbeckDiscussing kicking ball conditioning and field goal inflation
"The least actual spiritual part of football is now fucking field goals. Who wants this? No one wants this."
Craig HorlbeckOn excessive field goal accuracy
"We should stop letting them fuck with the balls. Part of me thinks that having a worked in football makes sense."
DKDebating kicking ball conditioning rules
"If you have ice cream every single night for dinner, it no longer becomes fun."
Craig HorlbeckArguing against unlimited throwback uniform days
"The problem with the Internet is people have gotten too comfortable saying wild shit to people without the threat of being punched in the face."
Danny HyphensDiscussing fan behavior and DK Metcalf incident
Full Transcript
well well well well well well Welcome to the Rigger Fantasy football show. My name is Danny Hyphens. Today I'm joined by Danny, Kelly and Craig Corobek. Today it is power hour. We're powering something every Wednesday. Today we are power ranking the rules. We want to change in the NFL. We're going over power hour. We're changing rules. We're doing fantasy court and we're going to do the one second song challenge for Christmas songs and we'll do some kind of preview for week 17. Diki is already shaking his head. What's going on in this episode? A lot going on. I still look like I'm in, you know, like Breaking Bad when they want to show it's like the Mexico filter on the flip. Yeah, I look like I'm in narcos with my orange like the Marty Supreme ping pong ball. So that's fun. And then yeah, Craig and I have our Christmas sweaters on and Diki says he doesn't own any Christmas gear. Bah humbug. Yeah, that's a Scrooge thing to say. Bah humbug is yes. Not only that Diki said like the most muted shirt and hat. Craig, this is the most colorful shirt I own. Even the Grinch actually has pop the color scheme, you know. Shoot. Sorry guys. I actually I quite honestly don't have any Christmas gear. The Grinch is a nice vibrant green. He is. Why is the Grinch green? It's just sad. So Dr. Seuss story. I watched a new one this week and I cried. It was great. Which one was the new one? Well, the new were the new animated one. It's the one where Tyler, the creator does the song in the beginning. It's like animated. It's like halfway between the old one and the Jim Carrey mania. Oh, interesting. I have not seen that one. It's pretty great. I recently watched Klaus. Have you seen that movie animated? Oh, I heard about this. Maybe. I heard it was good. It's very good. I recommend it. Oh, interesting. Okay. We'll power in Christmas movies later. We're gonna go through all that stuff and then also follow us on Instagram, TikTok, ring our fancy football. The Discord link is in the episode description and if you tried yesterday and it expired, sorry, there's a new one in this episode description. So check out the Discord. It is very fun. Check out the Discord and okay. With all that said, we're going to take a quick break. This episode is presented by Chime. Bank Smarter this season. Fantasy football is all about strategy. Well, here's a winning strategy for your money. Trade banking fees for fee free banking, 1.5% cash back getting paid when you say in a higher APY in your savings. That's a lineup that wins. Stop banking the old way. Bank Smarter through Chime. Chime is a financial technology company, not a bank. Banking services and the secured Chime Visa credit card provided by the Bankcore Bank NA or Stride Bank NA. Members, FDIC, optional services and products may have fees or charges. Details at chime.com slash fees info with a qualifying direct deposit earn 1.5% cash back on eligible secured Chime Visa credit card purchases. APY means annual percentage yields. Learn more at chime.com. I asked Liz. She didn't have any. No, that's crazy. Too many games is what she said. Liz also made the best comment of the season, which was like the guys batting the ball away from the end zone on a punt. And Liz was like, what's that? She's like, that's not, that can't be football. What the hell was that? It's a good take. I organized these from most realistic to least. I basically have three categories here, which are rules we want and also things that actually might happen this off season. And then rules that we actually think would improve the NFL, but we don't think the NFL will do. And then just what would the Savannah bananas do if they did football banana ball? And those are going to go stilts. Stilts. Yeah. Guys on stilts tackling flamethrowers. Clowns. I like the Savannah bananas though. I do too. Why not? I mean, they're great. They sell out so much. Also, the guy who owns it is cool. He's like not jacking up any of the prices. He's never going to sell it. Yellow suit. TK, do you have a yellow suit? You should have put that on for this. I would have if I did, but I don't know. Yeah. All right. So with that said, I want to get into power over here. Should we play Tom Tom once just to kick it off, just to make ourselves feel good field of vibes? Sure. Okay. Just one Tom Tom. Merry Christmas to Tom Tom. I want to start with the number one best rule. And this is a rule that I think actually needs to happen in the NFL might actually do. But number one, Craig, you said this. We have to unjuice the kicking balls. Unjuice the kicking balls slash and or change the field position rules. Let's go back to 2024. The NFL introduced the dynamic kickoffs, which is the thing we see now that does not resemble the game I knew and loved on every kickoff where like nobody moves and it's all bizarre. Anyway, last year when they implemented that, the starting line where the field position was 30 yards after a touchback. You started at the 30 yard line. Then in 2025, they moved that up even more to the 35 yard line. That plus the K the K balls, which sounds like a drug, the kicking balls, which allows you to work basically work in the football for the entire season. It used to be you only had that day. It used to be like it was game day and you had to like massage the balls to the point where they were less slick, easier to kick. Allows you to be more accurate. Now the NFL allows you to do it the entire season. So these teams get basically unlimited time to massage these balls. Which is good. Usually that's good. You want a lot of time for that. We don't we don't shame that usually, except for a decent instance. Yeah. But now these kickers are more accurate than ever. They can kick it further than ever and field position is better than ever, which has resulted in the most field goals we've ever seen not only from close range, but at long range. Two weeks ago, we saw Phillip Rivers playing the Seahawks. He completed two passes for 19 yards and that was enough to get his team into field goal position to kick a game tying field goal against the Seahawks. And I hate that teams are just field position merchants now. And if you look at the numbers, it's crazy of what's happening with field goals over the last 10 years, five years, even two years. 10 years ago, kickers made 104 field goals of 50 plus. This year we're already at 195. So it's doubled in 10 years. Last year, when they changed the kickoff rules, there were 15 attempts of 60 plus yards, 15. Four of those were made, which is 26 percent. 26 percent of 60 plus yard field goals were made last year. This year, the numbers 50 percent. Damn. And we've already kicked 20 of them. You know, the 2060 yarders? We have 20 attempts already of 60 plus yarders and we've made 10. Context that 10, 60 yard field goals made this season. There were four 60 yard field goals made in the entire 20th century. And they were all last year. You know what this reminds me of? It reminds me of like when a little kid decides they don't want their turtle anymore, so they release it into the local pond. And then after four generations, the turtles have completely eradicated some, like, you know what I mean? Like they've completely taken over the ecosystem and like fucking killed all of them. At what cost? Yeah, like killed all the other certain animals. I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about, but you know what I mean? They've fucked with the ecosystem. They're changing football for the worse. Craig, the last two seasons, not only like everything you said totally grew with all that, the last two seasons to put it simply, are the most field goals made per game ever. Like who wants this? The least actual football part of football is now, well, I know that the name is like football, but the least actual spiritual part of football is now fucking field goals. Who wants this? Why is this good? No one wants this. The, I think that the NFL had two parallel things they were working on and they didn't really think enough about the, the confluence where they meet because they were trying to make the kickoff safer and they were, but still get returns, which they've totally succeeded at with the dynamic kickoff. Like there are more kickoffs and I think it's worked. Like there's way more kick returns. And they also basically, I think some teams were probably fudging the cable thing and they wanted to, I don't know why they decided to let the cable thing happen, but basically what they've done is they made field goals into participation trophies because when we were growing up, this is my first real back in my day rant, but you used to need 50 yards to get in scoring position. Like you would get the touchback at the 20 and you would need about 50 yards to get to the other teams 30 and that was field goal range. And now the kickoff, the touchback is at the 35 and you just have to cross the 50. So we've gone from needing 50 yards to if you're Dallas, you need like 15, which, that's so ridiculous. Awful. It's terrible. Which would you rather change the cables or the field position? The cables and I don't think it's close for two reasons. One, the kickoff has worked. The whole reason they changed the kickoff was can we get kick returns? Well, not basically the NFL, you know, I don't want to pretend like they care too much about safety and head concussions and everything, but punts and kickoffs were disproportionately really high risk plays for concussions. And the NFL was like, wait, why do the percentage wise, the most at risk concussion play is the most boring one where people get up to piss? Like why are guys getting concussed on plays that fans are leaving their seats and pissing in the bathroom? That's insane. So they're like, can we make it interesting, but not dangerous anymore? So that's why they have done all these rules, which is just to line the guys up 10 yards apart. So they're not running full speed at each other. It's so that they kind of kind of block and they're not having really dangerous plays. So my short version is that's worked. They've actually kind of, I think it's okay to keep the kickoff as it is because it's safer and there are more returns that I like to kickoffs being returned. I think the answer then is we shouldn't have the balls be worked in like it's like, it's a base, it's like a baseball glove getting one day to work it in different than months. And I think we should just go back to how it was a couple of years ago, stop letting teams beat the crap out of the balls and just go to kids. Thank you for trying to be mature as they said that. Go back to having 60 yard kicks be kind of hard. Yeah. Yeah. How many third string kickers have we seen this year? I had to look this up, but off the top of my head, their laws, the Niners made a third string kicker this year made a 60 yard field goal. I believe the Packers backup kicker made a 60 yard field goal. I think there's been two or three 60 yards by second or third string kickers, which that's stupid. Here are the 60 yards hit this year. Brandon Aubrey has three. Everybody else here, the rest of the guys have one. Chris Boswell, Chase McLaughlin, Evan McPherson, Lucas Haversick, Blake Groupie, Will Riker, Cam Little, that's the list. Three of those guys were cut. Like that's kind of the point. So anyway, I think we should go back to the world where 60 yards are impressive and we can choose the cables. I also think we should start on the 25. I don't like starting on the 35. You're too close. But that is the difference between teams returning kicks or not, because if you don't, if you put it at the 35, if the touchback goes to the 25, teams will just boot it into the end zone. Teams would rather just kick the ball out of bounds, pass the end zone, than coach players to defend the kickoff. It has to be so far removed. So the reason the kickoff goes to the 35 is so they force the team kicking off to actually kick it in bounds. Otherwise, they're just going to boot it out of the end zone. What if that's just the rule? What if it's just like you have to kick it in bounds? And if it's not, it's a massive penalty. That's it. But if there's like a gust of wind and it brings it to the end zone and you get a 30-yard penalty, wouldn't you be mad about that? I don't know. I don't know. I just think the simplest answer to your point is like, we should stop letting them fuck with the balls. Part of me thinks that having a worked in football makes sense. I don't want baseball players to be playing with a stiff glove. That's dumb. And so I'm like, part of me is like, it's kind of cool that we're seeing guys like Brandon Aubrey and Camlittle kick 65-yarders. That's cool. And we're seeing people get better and their craft is improving. And I kind of like that. Or I appreciate that. But I don't like that. You just get the ball 35% of the way down the field for doing nothing. Like I almost think there should be no kickoffs and you just start on the fucking 20. That's what the NFL wants to avoid. DK, what do you think of that? Because I just think you're right about the kicking thing. My take is just it's just easier to change one thing than fix the kickoff. Why does the NFL want to get not want to get rid of kickoffs? They don't want to change the game. It's an exciting play, I guess. Yeah. I mean, I will say this and I don't have anything against the new dynamic kicking rules. But I just think generally like Hyphid said it earlier, everybody's like taking a pistol and kickoff. It's like it's just not a huge part of the game anymore. I don't think. And I think that taking that out rather than taking the balls out actually maybe in terms of like being able to do the cable, I think that actually makes a little bit more sense. You'd rather eliminate the kickoff entirely than just go back to the how we did it last 25 years. I think 100%. I don't give a shit about kickoffs. They don't matter. They're stupid. Like look at what the game already looks like. Like the amount of ways we've had to contort to make the kickoff work is already so clunky and awkward that I'm like, just get rid of it. Coaches will be pissed because it's like special teams. It's like now suddenly get rid of special teams is basically what happens. I mean, you still have field goals and punts. Yeah. We can talk about this more over the offseason. This this rule, I think we'll get addressed in some way because it's it's just score again used to do 50 yards, then you need 15. While other rule that I think will happen rule changes we want. I've just you know what? Just ban the push push in some way. I think it's you got to ban being able to push your player forward. Right. Yeah. This is this is the you know, it's so funny. And again, I have defended the push push, I think more than I've been like a nine and a half out of 10 push to push push defender. I think teams that were trying to ban it before they even tried to run it was pathetic. I like the Eagles though. I'm just tired and I surrender and I'm tired of hearing about it. I'm tired of seeing it like I I'm not even against it as much as I'm just exhausted by all this. But I agree, DK, one of the reasons that the NFL, the push push ban failed because the NFL basically used the Packers. Goodell used the Packers to kind of like put the proposition on the table and they had two issues. One, they kind of pretended as a player safety and everyone was like, that's horseshit. The other problem is they had was writing the rule is so much harder than you think because without a blanket ban on offensive linemen can push guys forward. It's actually really hard to write the rule. But that's the other question is, OK, push is one thing. There are this never happened, I feel like. But now it is so commonplace for a guy like a running back at the goal line to get off. This is the next version of it. Should we just make that illegal? Well, that's that's the question is, is it legal for your offensive linemen? Because honestly, it becomes like a second play where the linemen just just launched like this happened. Drew Dalman, I think the for the Bears just took common unclean through and like carry them into the end. I feel like that should just be illegal. You can like manufacture a scrum and then push your player forward for like 10 yards, which is stupid. Because if you can do that forward, you should be able to do it backwards, which they wouldn't allow because forward progress gets stopped. So it's like you can push them forward indefinitely, but you couldn't push them backwards or we get rid of forward progress entirely. And we just actually make it like, yeah, just push, just scrum and we reinvent the rugby scrum. I agree with this. I think they should get rid of the push. And I think it should be more broadly about figuring out a way to stop offensive linemen from just basically picking up and pushing their players forward. Yeah, I will not bore everyone, but when maybe we get to the offseason, I'll some of the how hard it is to write the proposals and having hearing like, I think Mike Talman, one of the coaches talking about like actually reading the proposals and like what writing the rule is of like, it's so much dumber than you think the actual league leads have like, well, you can push him if he's a quarterback and like just basically writing it away. The teams can't get around it, but all but doesn't cover other things. It's funny. We can leave that to the lawyers. Yeah, the rest, the rest can deal with that. Okay, let's get to more fun things, things we actually want in the NFL, but the NFL won't start won't do, which DK, probably the most single most popular thing that we'll do this time. So, I mean, look, I could run for president on this platform and I think I'd win unlimited throwback uniform days. Why do we have a limit on this? I don't understand this at all. I think unanimously, uniformly, pun intended, every single throwback is better than the ones the teams are using now. Is that, is that true? What do you think, Craig? Here's my question for you. If you have ice cream every single night for dinner, it no longer becomes fun. I think I disagree with that. I think ice cream is delicious. I don't think I could get sick of ice cream. You want your cake and eat it too. I do. Yeah. I think I don't disagree with what you're saying. I'm kind of just playing devil's advocate, but because like my God, the Seahawks jerseys in the Ram Seahawks game last week were abominable. They like, they should have been kicked out of the league. That was like Oregon straight up. It looked like like Oregon Photoshop that they are like, Oh, this one's terrible. Let's throw this in the trash. And then they gave that to Seattle. It's a hand me down. They just like shipped it up a couple hours north to Seattle. You guys have these. Yeah, yeah. They grew on me. But then the whole week before the Seattle throwbacks were incredible, but I'm like, do we just fully go back to like the nineties aesthetic and every team just has the nineties jerseys? Maybe we do that. My clarification is it can't be alternates like Oregon, where it's every every game is like some different colored uniform where you don't actually know what the Oregon uniform is. Like I have no idea. Could you tell me what the Oregon uniform is? No, they are purposely different every single time. Yeah. I could tell you what Oregon's helmets are anymore. They change so much. So I don't want that to be clear. What I do want is teams can choose which they can choose to use the throwbacks all the time if they want. Like they don't have to use their current whatever uniforms. How about this? In August every year, July, make it a fan vote. Put up five options. Let the fans pick what the home jerseys are this year. Well, this is just a larger thing with NFL fashion too, which Craig, I mean, I think your guys's partners are in his into football as mine, but I think I've noticed a lot that women's like football gear is so bad. It's just men's gear, but like smaller and pink. And it's actually like once Jackie pointed out to me, I actually can't believe how unimaginative football fashion is. It's crazy. It's just the logo in the middle of the shirt. It's like they haven't tried to actually do anything with any of the clothing they sell in like 40 years. Yeah. Now Kyle, you check wife is trying to change that. Yeah. It literally, yeah. It took Taylor Swift wearing her jacket for us to be like, oh, man, I don't know. Should we try the clothing? Yeah. And honestly, a lot of the older gear, I would say looks better. There's like cool T shirts and stuff from like the 80s and 90s that are just more interesting. We used to, well, this is a different conversation too, because we used to have colors like, you know, millennial gray. It's like the cars and suitcases and houses used to be colors and now everything's just black, silver or fucking gray beige. Every team's uniform fucking Rams bone. The Rams are the bone color. He's like, what did what did France give the world? He's like, democracy, existentialism and zeblo jobs. Like what did millennials give the world? It's like grayish fleam. They gave they gave the color of this t-shirt I'm wearing today. I agree with the throwback thing. I just think throwback jerseys need to I think it's good when both teams wear the throwbacks like the boxy when the pack when the jets just randomly wear a jersey from a hundred years ago. It looks done. What if you raffle off a year and then both teams wear their uniforms from that year? Well, that was the boxy box game, which was good. It's like kind of a fun little wrinkle. It should be a fan vote. Yeah. Fucking American Idol. I want to pick what my team looks like every year. You can freaking sell it to advertisers. This is the Mikolo Baltra 1977 throwback day and it's like whatever you can make money off this. That's what we got. That's good. We should let the NFL know there's ways to make money. That's a good idea. Okay. The other one we actually want, but the NFL won't do, which is DK, you we've never talked about this in the show. You said I think we have one time. Okay. You said you wanted holding to be a five year penalty and not automatic first down. So the automatic reply to this is like if you actually watch where a lot of holding takes place, it's like 10 yards backwards because the quarterback is dropping back. So I kind of understand why that's why that is a rule. However, in the interest and this is this is unabashedly a fantasy rule and it's to boost scoring. Every time you see a fucking holding penalty, it's like, okay, well, the drive's over. You know what I mean? Like not literally, but the amount of times that a holding penalty will kill the drive is really, really high. If you make that a five yard penalty instead of a 10 yard penalty, I think scoring will go up in a kind of a natural way. It's not necessarily like you're just not allowing defenders to do anything. It's just like this is a boost offense. However, in the interest of fairness, I'll turn it around and say you pair this with defensive holding is now no longer an automatic first down. So defenders have a little more leeway. They can they can decide strategically when to hold a little bit more. It's only a five yard penalty or whatever it is. Maybe it maybe it'd be like at the spot of the foul, whatever, but it's not an automatic first down. It gives a little bit of give a little bit more power to each side. I think I think scoring would go up a lot if this was the rule. This is like if you go back to the you remember in the com or sorry in the COVID year, I think it was 2020, 2021, a camera, which one? They basically just stopped fucking calling holding and in the NFL scored more than a other year ever. I'm not trying to go all the way full COVID, but like maybe this is like a good compromise in between. You never go full code. Don't go full COVID again. I think I hear you more on the offensive side than the defensive side. I think defensively like if it's only if it's not automatic first down and you're a cornerback and it's like third and 15 and you get beat, you could just yank a guy back and then they essentially didn't have to do what if we what if we do this instead? Instead of passing interference being a spot foul, you make it like a 15 yard penalty. Don't they have that in college? I believe that's the rule of college. Yeah, I think it that the college one reminds you of like Xbox or PlayStation. It's like I like the spot foul. I think it once again makes sense because if it's like some deep ball and you don't want to give it up, you could just like crush the wide receiver and it's only 15. But then there's like so many tiki tech PI penalties. It's like, I think it goes both ways a little bit. Those things depend on, I think you're when it's a spot foul or the defensive, look, the reality is spoiler, we're always going to complain about shit. When it passes, if you're instance, a spot foul, you're going to complain about bad calls that are tiki tech that are like getting spot fouled and you're going to complain about a tiki tech defensive holdings the first down. If you make it not an automatic first or you make it not a spot foul, you're going to complain about a 50 yard touchdown that was agreed the egregious now becomes what you get away with. Well, you get that maybe the egregious like if you're just fucking tackle a guy that is a spot foul. Well, but now the refs get it's like a flagrant, but now the refs get to pick and then that's another decision they have to make. Tackling that's that's pretty easy to see. Wouldn't you say though, DK, right now that the way it is right now makes it so the cornerback is disadvantaged. If the cost of committing a foul goes down, there will be more fouls like that's the problem. 100% if you're like, oh, like literally left tackles, right tackles like, oh, I'm doing Miles Garrett. I'm like, only five yards if I get called for this. It's like, so everyone's gonna hold more cornerbacks are terrified to give up 40 yards. So they're not doing anything. And now if it's like, Oh, it's only going to be a 10, 15 yard penalty. I'll just commit past interference every single time. Yeah. So there's more flags and then you're angry. The holding one is interesting. Let me let me toss this by a DK. I just thought of this because I go back and forth five yards versus 10 yards. What if the first, I don't know, three holding penalties of the day are five yards after that. They become 10. It's like progressive Wells. Yes. How cool would that be? Talk about incentivizing not holding the end of the game. It's like, Hey, we can't hold now because now it's a 10 yard penalty. I kind of like that. Kind of like that. I like where I like where we're going. How is that to that work? Correct. The first three holdings of the game are five yards after that. They're 10. There we go. I always fear making stuff more complicated, but that's pretty that's not bad. That's not there's something there. We can't worry too much about making it too complicated. The fucking rule is 100 pages. That's a good point. What's 101? Yeah. That's a good point. Okay. So speaking of which, my instant replay, this is my fix. And I, you know, if I had to pick all the things I'm right about, I would pick this first of like the most instant replay, the standard, like again, you're never going to be perfect. No one's ever going to be able to slow down this game going at a thousand miles per hour, take granular instant replay and like everything right. However, the standard to overturn a call in the field is clear and obvious evidence. And I think that the referee should like almost maybe literally not be allowed to view any camera angle five times. Like they get to look at the camera angles, each one, but they only get to look at each angle three times and then you make a decision. And then if you can't decide, it's not clear and it's not obvious. And if you want to look, you want to make a decision and watch a fourth time to make sure, cool, but like you literally don't get to watch it more than three times, you can watch every angle three thrice and then fucking decide. Should it, should it be, should it be based on time and not the amount of times you get to watch an angle? Should it be more of just like a clock? You have like a shot clock? No, because two reasons. You don't want them rushing and also statistically literally everything that's ever been researched ever. If you add a clock, a timer to any kind of human activity, it make people get worse. Like if you were like, hey, you have 60 seconds to do this, everyone just like Tom Tom Club. Like Tom Tom. Exactly. No, just the refs will get worse. Not better if they're rushing and they know they're on the clock. Name a woman. Yeah, name a woman. But yeah, so I just, if you watch something three fucking times and you get to slow mo it and like these guys were making the call in judgment and you still don't know, that's the answer. Sorry. Yeah, somehow we forgot to add the rule into this doc that everything is just reviewable so I can get it right. I don't see, I think that's really dangerous and I think people, I technology is not going to save you. Dangerous. Technology is not going to save you because suddenly if everything's reviewable, then when any close game like Seahawks. Technology is saving a lot of us. So for now, I'm just saying that like medical technology. Come on. I think when everyone now has NFL Plus and can get all 22 and that you could look at every play and people are going to be like, well, this was holding and this was that. It's like you pulled the thread and you're like, hey, guess what? 80% of these calls are fucking subjective. You're going to make everything reviewable. It's hard to enforce rules on a chaotic game. I don't think everything should be reviewable. I think the standard should be egregious penalties, which is what the expedited replay I think was supposed to be for, which is like instantly recognizable, catastrophic mistakes, break glass in case of emergency, we can undo it. We got it. We have to figure out a way. I just think when we do a review, we got to get rid of the, this is not reviewable thing. You know what I mean? Because this has happened. This happens constantly. That almost never had except for what's happening. When the whistle's blown. Yeah. This happens constantly. It's like, oh, this was weird. We're taking a look at this, but it's that and you can see clearly that this has happened, but this is not a reviewable judgment. This is not a reviewable call. So therefore, we're just going to tell you that we're wrong on this and go ahead and go ahead and like make this the thing. This dovetails nicely into my rule, which we can basically combine, which is that the ref in the booth, aka Terry McCauley, Jean Starriter, whoever it is, gets the veto button. They're like Michael Buble on the fucking voice. They hit the button, the chair spins around and they can make the call because, for example, the Sunday night game, Patriots Ravens, K. Sean Booty got assaulted 40 yards down the field. They did not call a flat. Not reviewable. He literally got tackled for like 10 seconds. It was like in slow motion, the penalty. I've never seen anything like it. They don't call anything. Collinsworth and Tarik are beside themselves. They bring in Terry McCauley. McCauley immediately goes, yeah, I don't know what that was. That was a flag. That was a pass interference. He should get to hit the button and say, I'm stepping in. It's a pass interference. I think this is your best take, Craig. Pivoting from, I don't want those guys. I think that was a terrible take. Give them power. What are they there for if they don't have power? They should be the refs because all those guys were refs for 20 or 30 years. I think you're right. They should be the refs and they should have to explain to everybody based on the angles we're seeing. Yeah. Yeah. Live. He's looking at the 50 Sunday night football. Camus, let him make the call and he explains it to us. I think you're right. I actually think those guys don't think things should be reviewable, but you think Craig's right here. Okay. No, I'm saying every every place. My rule. No, I love your rule. Craig, you're the fact that you said it and hyphens agree to it. That's great. He just was disagreeing with me in general. I think I say the same thing. I say the same thing. Craig. Craig. Craig can we can have somebody who just decides something is clearly illegal is basically well, no, no, no, no. To be clear, that already exists. We're saying the New York command center, every single instant replay, like it goes to New York. And they like, like, and they're like, it goes, but then why are they always wrong? Why are they always disagreeing with Terry McCauley? We know, but those are different things. DK, what I'm saying is things that maybe we're not on the same page. What I'm saying is change the rule. So everything's reviewable. Like that's a little pin to his box. What I'm saying is instead of the referees having to consult with New York, this shadowy banker, like dealer, no deal, like this shadowy figure, that person is Terry McCauley. Like Terry McCauley is instead of this like private person that like in New York and this like New York park avenue, like control center, I think that person shadowy figure and they have to look at it and then they instantly make a decision and they explain it to everybody live and that there is no middleman. There's no New York control center head ref. They are there. I agree. I agree. But to defend DK here, the play I was just outlining the K. Sean Booty play that was not reviewable. I think Terry McCauley should be allowed to commit and say, I'm throwing a flag. Yeah, I'm pressing the flag button. Yeah, I agree for egregiousness. I think it has to be like, honestly, my rule for that would be to watch it once. If you have to watch it play twice even, you don't get to reverse it for the non-reviewable ones because it should be like the Saints Rams Championship game one. That should be reviewable. You're right. But you didn't have to watch it twice. It's just remarkable that Mike Turico, Chris Collins, and Terry McCauley, three, you know, ostensibly football experts, former players, former refs, all three of them go, man, that really looked like a flag. And the one guy who literally was ref goes, yeah, I would have thrown a flag there and nothing can be done about every game. Like legit happens every game. So this is what the Exifil did, the Skyref. I think that's, is that right? Yeah. Basically, I'm just saying everything shouldn't be reviewable all the time. It should be like, wow, that was like a huge mistake. But yeah, I would have wrote the same page. Okay. The next rule here, this is simple. I just think safety should be worth four points. I agree. Yeah, done. You know, fucking hard is to get a safety. Take the hardest thing to do. This should go up higher hyphens. This should be the ones I don't know what we are in now, but this is a no brainer. It being less than a field goal, especially with us just talking about how fucking easy it is to kick a field goal, you know, how hard is it going to save? How many are there a year, like seven? It should be way more. It's insane. It's so, and you still get to keep possession. I'd like, people are like, well, if you make it a bunch of points and you keep possessions powerful, but it should be powerful. You tackled the other team in their own end zone. Yeah. I agree. Even if you want to make it three, that's fine, but it shouldn't be less than a field goal. You could convince me that it should be like Harry Potter and Quidditch. It's like games go to 40 or 50, but if you catch the golden snitch, you get like 300 points in the games over. You could convince me that the safety should be walk off no matter what time it is. It's death cup. Yeah. It's like death. I think that's a death cup. I think that's dumb. Safety is a bridge too far here. If you get tackled in your isn't football just cosplay for war? End zone should be your capital city. If you get tackled in your end zone, over like it's fucking like the whole point is it's sacred. You can wage a guerrilla war. You don't need a capital. Come on. I think teams should punt on first fucking down before you get safety. It's so embarrassing. And that's funny. If it's like first in 10 on the one inch line, they're just like, fuck it. We're just punting. I really, I really, you could. It should be death cup. I like that. I don't. That's fun. I think it's funny. I don't think they should do it. Make it four. This one, DK, you wrote this in, but the soda Jackie's brother Joe had the same idea. Or no, no, wait, no, you didn't send me this one. You get, you and Joe had two of the same ideas. This was not one of them. Sorry. We said there should be emergency quarterbacks and we joke that they should be like NFL employees and we send them to cities. You know what's so funny? They have this in hockey. This is a very real thing. So in hockey, they're called e-bugs. They're called emergency backup goalkeepers. What? And this is a thing. This is a whole rule. They're not league employee. They have, the home team has to arrange for an emergency backup at every game. And he's the third string goalkeeper and he could play for either teams. He's not a team employee, but he has experience and it's like all like, but it's such a real thing. Every like two or three years it happens, but this is a real thing. And like the fact that the NHL does this, this is every game. It's like a rule that the home team has to provide this. So the fact that the NHL is out here doing this every game for 80, what are the 81 or the 82 games a year in hockey? They still have e-bugs come in and play in games. Yeah, it happened in this century. It happened once. Yes, it happened during 2020. It does happen sometimes. And these are like 50 year old men or who are these guys? 42? Yeah, I mean here, wait, I'll shut. I don't understand that. In hockey, I'm like, why can't they just get like, let's say their first goalies get hurt. Why can't they just like take a player and put them in goalie gear and throw them in the fucking net? Takes too long to put all that shit on, Craig. In the gear. In the stands, he's already in the gear. Dude, he does sit in the stands though. He just sits in the stands. It's insane. He sits in the stands. Dude, you want me to read the rules? Yeah, he's so he can't. Yeah, he can't. Hockey is though. Hockey is the best sport in the world. It is the best sport. He is. He can't be a paid team employee because he could place for the away team if the away team needs him. Typically, his playing experience at the pro college or at least high school level, which is so funny. High school. They find the fattest guy they can in the fucking squareest build. Yeah, they get professional track contracts, allow e-bugs to be paid $500 a game. They get paid hourly. That's so fun. Dude, I want to be a professional e-bug. I know. Yeah, what do you work once every five years? If that's the per day. It's a lot of travel. Probably eating out of good restaurants. This is a good idea for a movie. You could call a movie bug and it's like a hockey movie and it's about a guy who's like the who's the e-bug. Yeah. Come in and like, you know, he does something incredible. That would work. It's shallow made to do it, Craig. Oh, oh, shallow made the bug. He's not exactly built. No, it's Sam. For a e-bug. No, he's not. It's like, you know, somebody in the who's like, yeah, I guess it'll be somebody in their 40s who's like getting a little older. I mean, Sam, I guess would probably be great. Yeah. And he hasn't really done a hockey movie. He kind of has a happy Gilmore. Let him actually do one. It's like, it's also like the rookie, the Dennis Quaid movie. The guy who tries to make majors at four or five or he's a rookie. Yeah, it's pretty good. But yeah, James, Philip Rivers and, you know, Joe Flacco, like Joe Flacco just gets to be the emergency backup for the fact that this is a real thing on one of the other four major American men's sports is actually like, OK, yeah, the NFL should do this. There's precedent here. Flacco should be employed by the NFL, not on a specific team. There's no like, he's like at the NFL hat like the Rob Lowe and stand up. They get a health care for their 11 kids for Flacco. He just wears an NFL uniform. But so is it a waiver system? Can you only have him for one week? Like, how does that work? They're roving band of like, like, like, like, goes down in the Bengals, let's say our first on waivers to get the all time QB pick. Can they get Flacco for three months? Or is it only one week? How does that work? I don't know. I think we'll have to figure out some details. But I think I think we'd have to make this happen. This is pretty good. We can't be having Chris Allotekin. Exactly. Playing football. Where was where was exactly? Where was James for that game? OK. This is actually the best rule. I think we're we actually have great rules here. OK. The other one that the NFL should do that will never do, which is Craig. Yep. You have perfected an idea of how the NFL should actually run their season and the draft order. I feel very strongly about this. I think the NFL needs a loser's bracket. I think it is a way to make the end of the season entertaining across the board and does not eliminate basically last month of the season. Half the teams are irrelevant. And I think this is a money making opportunity for the NFL and could make the game more interesting. I basically think it's like whatever it's the loser's bracket toilet bowl. It's the NIT. I basically think the final month of the season, once teams are officially eliminated from the playoffs, they enter a loser's bracket. So it's like the bottom 10 teams face off in a tournament style, March Madness style showdown to basically like the college football playoff to compete for draft order and maybe cash as well or something like that. Well, he had to make money and not give it away, Craig. Well, we'll see. But I like want to incentivize the players like would would two want to play for his own replacement? Maybe not. So I'm like, we have you have to figure that out, I guess. But how it would work is like, all right, so like this week, it basically starts like week 14, 15, 16, 17 losers bracket. Like this week could be the semifinals. And I even think you could add spreads to it because, you know, let's say the bottom 10 teams are eliminated. Yes, because like the Bengals are eliminated from the playoffs, they would probably win this bracket. So I think they should apply spreads like it like in our dynasty league, where it's like the teams who are the higher seeds, they get they get added points to their to their scores to ensure that they have a better chance of winning. Like the Bengals, it should have to beat the Giants by seven or more in order to win the game. But could but not just for no reason, because that for the Bengals to leapfrog the Giants in the draft order, you're saying that high the teams is more wins should have to give. Yeah. And I think Fandall should just buy this and sponsor this. Like it should be like the NBA Cup. It should be the Fandall losers bracket where the fuck it's called. And then the actual spreads that Fandall applies. It should be like, all right, if it works out where it's Bengals, Giants, in the losers bowl championship, it'll be Bengals minus seven. And the Bengals have to win by eight to in order to get the first pick. And if they don't, the Giants get the first pick. This segment was presented by Fandall. No, I'm kidding. That was not. But I think you don't you just spot teams certain amount of points. You spot teams boys, because if it gets in balance, like, you know, ideally it's like, you know, it would be Giants Raiders battling for first pick. But if a team like the Cardinals, who are a little bit better, are winning each game, that they have to be beating the spreads in order to. I think I speak for many people listening who are like, you know what, Craig, I like this because I don't think there's enough gambling that's been injected into football recently. I think people are actually the opposite. We need more. It's already there. No, I think I'm out on the spreads thing, but I love the idea. I think you're dead on though. We're. But hear me out with the spreads. The spreads make sense. Let's say it's the bottom 10 teams. If you look at that right now, the Bengals qualify, Miami qualifies, Arizona qualifies. Those teams are just straight up better than the Raiders. I don't think it would be to me that that would allow the middling teams of the league to always get the first pick, which I don't think is fair. I think it's simpler to just, I think that's too complicated because I think frankly, I don't think any of those teams should be competing for the first pick. I think the simpler idea that I think you're like really close to, which would be just do the bottom four teams the last two weeks. Yeah, that is like actually something that in like a 10 or 15 year horizon, I actually think the NFL might do. Like I think there's a world to what you're saying where like right now, if you just look at the standings and frankly, this is every single season. If you just look with two weeks left, there are always, yeah. So the Giants and Raiders have two wins and then there's like Jets, Titans, Browns, Cardinals have three wins. Every season, generally speaking, kind of looks like that where anybody could end up with the second pick or eighth or whatever. To me, it's really simple. This week, the Giants and Raiders are going to play and the loser will probably get the first pick. And the part of what you're saying that I like is It should be about winning. The winner of that game should get the first pick and the loser should get the second pick. Yeah. So you can set it up. So it's like this week, it's yeah, Giants and Raiders and then it's Jets and Browns and the winner of those two games play each other in the toilet bowl championship next week. You put it on Monday night because there's no Monday night game on it, week 18 and it's fucking great. And I think people would watch it and care. However, I think the reason why people could hate that is because I don't know, like, I think you need to expand it to like the bottom eight because all eight teams who suck could technically get the first round. Well, it's like the college football playoff. We could get to 12 teams later. Let's start with like two. And I just, you know what I mean? I just think that it's really, to me, it's like the simplest version of that. You start small, you build it out. Honestly, the NFL has never got spreads in games. I think that gets into the whole thing. But I think your other part of this idea, I don't know. I think this is super, but I think this is super realistic, though, if you just talk about if the final week of the season, the final two teams, because this actually solves a problem for everybody involved, which is the Ted Lasso, we just play half empty stadiums, listless, meaningless games. Yeah, no one cares about half these teams. Think about this to me is not crazy. If the final week of the season, the teams with the two worst records played each other, winner gets the first pick, loser gets the second. You're solving a bunch of problems. Fans now who hate their teams and are rooting against them can now root for their team to win a big game. The players have something to play for. And then, which matters, I think they're like having literal, like you get to win something like is nice and it's all stuff for the league because now this game that nobody wants to watch it is pathetic. And like, there's tanking questions, the teams want to lose. Now there's no question about who's trying. And then also it's a ratings thing. They actually people would watch this game winner gets the first pick. That I think works. Whether I want a tournament where the 10th team can get the first pick, that is hard for me to wrap my mind around. But I kind of, I don't know. I think that's legit. It doesn't make sense that every time the Giants lose, we're like, I bet you should be happy. That's dumb. Yeah, that's stupid. The Giants should be able to win their way out. Yeah. Honestly, you could probably do it in every sport. Do an NBA. You can do it every sport, like the bottom four, six, eight, whatever. You just do a losers bracket the last two weeks of the season. I agree. NFL is going to do this. I feel good about it. I think it checks a lot of boxes where the NFL needs other than just the scheduling being perfect right now, but for just simplicity. But yeah, okay. Similarly, DK, something kind of like this, you want it, you want relegation. This is a complicated matter because then you have to have sort of like a lower league. You know, I think the NFL has tried that with partnering with other different like lower leagues and all that stuff, but it hasn't really caught on. I do think it would be different if every year the like worst team just has to go down or whatever to the lower league. And then the other one comes up. Number one, you'd get more variety. You could expand the NFL to more cities, blah, blah, blah. There's some interesting like variables there, but it does give you the ad and maybe we combine with Craig's thing where, you know, we're playing a tournament for the topic. And then that team does also doesn't have to be relegated. Anyway, I just think it'd be fun. The idea of relegation where there's no penalty, honestly, for being the worst team league, it just makes it more interesting and fun. Will this ever happen? No, but it is a fun idea. I have good news and bad news. What do you want first? The bad news. I don't think this is a thing for the NFL. Can I tell you the goodness? Yeah. I earnestly think this is how college football should work. I think this is the solution to college football is that what eventually Alabama will play in the NFL in the year. I'm saying there's the power for whatever we could get answered the question. Could the Browns beat Bama? Yeah. And it's like the fear is that the Browns versus Bama, they send them down to the Big 10. No, I think that the real answer is that everyone's afraid that they're going to leave these top whatever teams in the Big 10 and SCC are going to leave the NCAA and form their own super league conference. And it'll be like a table you can't sit at and that everyone's just trying to sit at the table. And I think the answer is it should be like the Premier League. College football should become like your like English soccer, which is the top whatever the number is 24, 36, 64, whatever you want to call it. Chip Kelly talked about this like 10 years ago. There should be relegation to the group of five or to the whatever the tears become and you should be able to kick out. So if the top 36 college football teams, if you're in the bottom four, you go down and you have to win your way up. So how much cooler would it be if James Madison had won their way up and they get to stick around like college football is perfect for a relegation system? Yeah, I don't disagree with that. And the revenue sharing and all these questions that we don't have answers to in college football, like this would solve a lot of it. It also gives yeah, I mean, like it's fun for like my alma mater, SDSU, like they're a solid football program. They're not going to make the college football playoff. And even if they did, they're going to get their ass kicked. It'd be fun to be like they're in the league below. And every year we're battling to try to get bumped up into the Premier League. That would be really cool. You get to play all the good teams. You get more money that way and then you can like recruit better. Get more prestige. It's funny, D.K. I know you were kind of joking, but I actually think this would work. I have a question. I think it would work if for people. Okay, I want like English people who have been in soccer their whole life to answer this question. Like is that is the Premier League and just basically the like European soccer setup? Is that actually a good thing? Do people like it? I mean, people like emails. Yeah, emails if you like soccer. No, no, I'm not saying do you like soccer? I'm saying is that actually a system that we should strive for? Or is it absolutely like idiotic maniac thing that just emails? at gmail.com. I can already hear Ryan O'Hanlon who we used to work with who is your editor, D.K. and is the man he was the person who explained to me there is a pretty neat correlation between how much team spends and how good the roster is, like how much they spend, how much money they make, it's like just an up, it's up into the right. Like the more money you make, the better. It's not even baseball. It's like the Mets can spend 350 million and suck, but like generally in soccer, you spend money, you make it. You're gonna have a good team. Okay, the next category of rules here I want to do this is banana ball where I tried it. We were trying to think of if the Savannah bananas actually did football, what would they do? And I asked Jackie's brother this and he just immediately delivered and Jackie's brother was like they should allow taunting. Merstal is taunting. Why is that a flak? I know it's so lame. Take muzzle the hell out of these guys on the field. You can't even like you can't even point for a first down if it looks too much like a gun. Yeah, standing. Who is the guy the other day who's who's flak is he just stood over the guy for like half of a second. You can't spin a ball in a player's direction. I think that was last money on football. So fucking stupid. Troy Aikman was disgusted by that. Troy Aikman's like, oh, not my league. How dare you spin a ball at a person. Some like safety hit a receiver and like look down at him for like two seconds flag. Dude, you know when this started the really taunting stuff recently cracked down? Yeah. Well, because the owners there are all the owners they wanted to be fit. Let's not get too deep into it, but they want to keep these people in line. No, let them know who's really in charge. Honestly, yeah. You know what's funny? You know who's essential to a lot of the taunting recent crackdowns is actually John Merrow, the giant's owner who, you know, he was he's talked about this. He was appalled when I think the Niners chiefs 2019 season Tyree Kill. I forget what super rules was there were too many for the chiefs. He ran into the end zone. He did the peace sign at the defender piece and they were like, no place for that. No, we can't do that. No place for that. Can you imagine? And he hated that he was doing the peace sign as he ran by him at the end zone, which is funny because that's like now a really memorable moment of yes. And you know what else is funny? All the taunting suspect if you just look up all the fines you're taunting and just pull up NFL social media, all the clips they cut are like, yeah, the best parts of the week. It was all the taunting. The other one here, D.K., you mentioned hockey earlier. You sent in the banana. They should have power plays. This one is just pure chaos. So obviously in hockey, the power plays, if you have a penalty, you one of your players has to go and sit in the penalty box for a given amount of time. It would be hilarious if for certain penalties and it would have to be like really like high fits and saying early, like really egregious, clear penalties come down from on top. Maybe they make that call. You have to send one player off and you have to play a man down and then you could do power plays. And like it just, I feel like that would be such a fun way to ignite the game power played. You know, you're playing 12 on 11 or 11 on 12 or whatever. If it's like unnecessary roughness or unsportsmanlike conduct after the play or something by some deliemin, it's like, all right, great. That deliemin has to sit the next play out and you can't replace them. I love this so much. And can I actually suggest, I actually think this is, I mean, as dumb as it gets, pretty realistic for a crazy idea. I think you should get to choose on personal fouls between taking the 15 yards automatic first down, or you get to do a redo and they get 10 players in the field. The Mac guy called for it goes off. So you get one player. What if you get an extra player? 12 11 is what you get 11 on 10 or 13 on 12 on 11, probably 11 on 10. Just spacing. Well, actually, you know, it's funny in theory 11 on 10 in practice. The defense has never, ever, ever practiced for 12 people on the field. And so it might just break everyone's brains. So actually, they haven't been in practice with 10 either. No, but like shit happens. Like sometimes guys get fall down immediately. Like shit happens. You know what I mean? You're like, Oh, we'll rush three and just hope it works. But 12, there's no scheme for 12. But you know how like, like in power plays and hockey, it's just such an intense period of time. It's so it's so exciting because holding your breath, like the team that's that's down a man is just like in fucking survival mode. And the other team is pressing it. And sometimes you have, you know, teams will like go on the fast break during a power play and score like you score when you're a man down, like that's the fucking do the Rangers in the semifinals one year score three on five power play and they scored a goal down, down to guys. And I was like, I was like, that's the ultimate. That's the ultimate alpha move, power move. Anyway, I just think it's pure chaos. It would be really funny. It'd be fun. Maybe this is like an overtime rule or something like that. I don't know. But I think this is my favorite idea in the entire list. Because no one talks to honestly, the theme of this episode is we should just take all the cool hot shit. And then we can get that we can get a fucking penalty box on the sideline. League of Nations. No, not that. The Nations Cup. League of Nations is different. It really is just like, man, hockey figured it out. They know they let people fight like let's do that. Yeah, that's well, I'm gonna get to that. Taunting. Fenty boxes. DK Metcalf should be going to bring the family out of the 50 yard line. You're stepping on my freaking rule from wait, what was it? What was it? There should be at least one player is allowed to punch a fan at least once a season. Just just to give fans a little bit of fear, you know what I mean? You got to plant that seed. I could get punched in the face by an NFL player if I do this. That that right now does not exist. That fans are too. This is the whole DK Metcalf thing. Fans think they can say whatever the fuck they want. The world would honestly be better if people were always afraid that if they're a dickhead, they might get punched. I could get punched in the face for this. Was it Mike Tyson? Some old, I think it was a pro fighter. I could be wrong. Someone posted the problem with the Internet is people have gotten too comfortable saying wild shit to people without the threat of being punched in the face. Yeah, 100%. So yeah, Craig, like you're saying, DK Metcalf, I don't think people would be talking a lot of shit to DK Metcalf. I would never insult a man of your size, but anybody in the NFL is fucking huge for the most part. Come on. Oh, he just comes first name drags him out. You just get it's like the, you know, the the there's that spot. I don't even know what this is, the slap sport where they do this like slap each other. Fucking Dana White game. Is that still going? I think that should be it. That should be the every team gets one fan a year. Maybe maybe to make it a little more politically correct. You get to that that fan has to suit up in a football uniform and then get fucking know they wear what they're wearing that guy with the clown hat alliance. He's got to be wearing that shit. And then I think the team gets to vote because that way you'll know if what they happen was legit or they're just like, nah, the player is being a dick. Or like, I want the fate, the team gets to vote on the fan. They're like, yeah, fuck that guy. We all hate it. One guy, everyone gets one. I like that. This we're kind of cooking here. So taunting power plays, you can hit one fan a year. This is great. You get one swing. The best idea anyone's had on the show while you're Craig, you said this earlier and I wrote it down in my notes months ago and I found it was you said kickers for field goals should come out of the tunnel like closers in baseball to walk out music. Hell yeah. I actually love that be. Kyro Santos and Chicago, they lower the lights Kyro Santos comes running out of the tunnel. They're playing serious by Alan Parsons project. And he's got to run 50 yards into the midfield lights are down. Everyone's hushed. That's incredible. I love this idea. No, I mean, I don't they do this. This is if the Savannah banners did football, they would like the Edwin Diaz like whole production trumpets. Yeah. Harrison Meevis is out of breath by the time he gets there, they're going to take a time out. Oh my God. Yeah. When we were in Ireland, we were with Bex who works for Spotify, but she's in the London office. She came with us to her first NFL game and she was kind of like, man, there's so much like ridiculous shit going on here. There's like horns and fire cannons being fired. Fucking insane. Pyro techniques everywhere. Yeah, there's like a band playing. We're not done. Yeah, keep going, man. Walk out music. Okay. I like that. So can I tweak? I have a lot of kicking ideas. So I think that should be for field goals. Of course. Okay. I this one I kind of cooked. Someone commented this on something made months ago. I think whoever scores the touchdown should have to kick the extra point. Yeah. This is like this is like basketball. If you get fouled, you have to shoot the free throw. Exactly. And then you can't do hack a shack. So then you're finding the worst kicker on the team and just I don't know how that works. But yeah, well, basically all that does is then every day at practice, like most of the players have to practice kicking. Yeah. But I just think it'd be funny that don't love that to make the extra point. Every coach is like, God damn it. I might have seen you just practice kicking now. Imagine trying to explain this to like Kaderis Tony, we got the worst fucking attorneys. George Pickens Kaderis Tony, isn't he good at kicking or am I thinking he's really good at throwing? He has an incredible arm. Kaderis Tony. There was a point where Daniel Jones had the third best arm on the New York Giants. Yeah, he had a nice pass once I remember. Kaderis Tony can throw Odell could throw. This is why I don't understand why Tayson Hills is the only guy you can throw. Isn't he lefty? Yeah, Tony's lefty. Yeah. I think or Odell was left. This is great. I love this. Yeah. Darnell Washington lining up to kick an extra point. He just fucking crushes it. Do you have to kick it? Can you run a fake? Oh yeah, for sure. Oh, wow. I just thought of if you don't want to do the thing, then you have to do like an Oklahoma drill as like a tournament of champions like the beginning of Troy. Just want to love the Oklahoma drill. I do love the. I'm sorry. It's it's the fucking bad. Have you ever done it? It's the coolest thing in the world. I did it as a freshman and did not have a good time. How big were you then? 126 pounds? Oh, lower, my guy. Wow. 110. Jesus. Winning an Oklahoma drill is like it's just there's nothing like it. Hyphens likes to do Oklahoma drills on the basketball court. I still think a quarterback should have to punt. Yeah, like those specialists. No, quarterbacks to the punter. I mean, that's that is kind of a good segue to my role here. And this is basically like we watch. We went to Ireland. We watched hurling. It's a combination of a bunch of different sports. But basically they have the they have a goalpost and it's split in two. And so if you bat the ball into the upper part of the goalpost, it's like one point. If you hit it, if you manage to hit it into the lower parts, where three, right? Is that what it was? Yeah. And it's basically like there's a soccer goal right. And then on top of the soccer goal is just a goalpost. Right. So we get in order to make kicking more challenging and more exciting, because right now it's just like Craig was saying earlier, it's like 60 year old figgles all the time. It's like, what the hell? Make it split the goalposts into sections. You can start to you can start to really dial in where you're trying to hit it. And if you get it into a bullet like into the goal, that's like extra points. But then you got then you got like defense trying to defend that and they can return it. Could we make it like the doinks are worth five, but you have to call it like bank. Yeah, just like bank and it doesn't care. There was an epic doink in the in the Monday night game this week. I think he hit it. The kicker hit it from like 60 yards or something like that and just hit the crossbar. Just the most satisfying doink. Imagine this. We completely eliminate the goalposts and it's now a giant dartboard and the football sticks to it. Oh, I like that. Velcros to the dartboard. Now we're talking. Now we are fucking cooking. You have in the middle, there's the tiny, the, you know, the tiniest bullseye is like seven. You replace cable and then outside of that. It's one. You replace the cables with Velcro balls. Yeah. That's good. Yeah. That's where it like goes through it, you know, like a bullet and you can see through it. You're like, yeah, like those things in the movies where the cops are shit, like the little outline to the guys. Yeah. Yeah. It's like that. And it's like, are you going to hit the ring of threes, the bullseye of seven, or the outside? That's pretty wild. I like this. We'll test this at the pro bowl and then we'll see it for the real season. The other one I like is if we keep the goalpost, I like the idea that, because you know, now we have these longer kicks, you can make them from distance, right? So like they're kind of going skirt, like these 65 year kicks are kind of skirting through. I think you should be able to block them. Like Mike Evans should be able. I want Mike Evans in the end zone. Instead of just guys that are a turn of the short jump up and rob it like a center fielder. Right. Goal tending. Right. Yeah. You literally should be able to goaltend. Like if it should be low enough, that's the other answer to the field goal thing. We're like, well, these guys are making it from too long away. Like I want, I want like, I want Mike Evans and Ted Aroma McMillan out there like batting passes. Hear me out. What if each team gets a designated skeet shooter and they got one shot at the ball as it's being kicked. You want to revive Carson Wentz's career? How sick would that be? And they go, pull, they go pull. Everybody gets the deck. There's a camera on the guy and he gets to try to shoot the ball one time and knock it down. But the first down is still with his pistol, but it's still a flag. If you like do the air guns for the first down, but you do get a guy with a shotgun there. Yeah. Like if you celebrate the skeet shooting with a gun motion, it's a flag. That's a flag. That's an audit. Because we're not trying to glorify it. Yeah. How sick would that be if you could shoot the ball down? It's pretty good. It's like a duck hunt. Yeah. Exactly. Dude, that would be sick. That would open up a difference. That would give a various players the careers back, you know. Yeah. Certain guys might be able to return. We could bring some veterans in honor of veterans, maybe on veteran, maybe it's just a veterans day thing. We should do the flyover. Yeah. Box pirate ship. That's a huge. The flyovers now they release balls and if the ball goes through the uprights. All right. That's how the game starts. The ball gets dropped in the middle of the field and it's a scrum to get it. Try to get it. Well, that was the XFL. They did that instead of the coin toss. They did that. They threw the ball. They're like, they're gonna fight over it. Yeah. Like it's like dodgeball. Yeah. They'd run 50 yards and grab it from each other and fight over it, which is like a real drill. Jesus. I didn't even know that. That's playing for flying over is insane. I'm not even mad. I'm impressed. Oh yeah. Okay. Emails at ringer fantasy football, gmail.com, more rules you want addressed. I got to tell you, I think that hockey stuff, those three hockey ideas, emergency quarterbacks, power plays if instead of the 15 yards and then do what was the other hockey. They can fight. Oh yeah. They could fight and taunt. It's great. Okay. Cool. Emails at ringer fantasy football, gmail.com. If you have other rules you want to add it to the NFL. Okay. And then email us soccer fans if you want to be like the Premier League's a mistake, but I like it. Ringer fantasy football league update. Kristen Mahler in the final. D.K. and I, first round by. Shit the bed. Stating performance. Shit the bed on both of our parts. Is there a better summation of fantasy football than Danny Kelly and I and you? We spend hundreds of hours talking about fantasy football every week and Chris Ryan who wasn't at the draft and not draft his team did not spend $1 of his way for money. I'm not even sure he knew that he could. Yeah. Three moves all year and he's in the finals. Also, Chris was in last or tied for last for like six weeks. Yeah. Dude, they're both, Mal and Chris were both six and eight this year. They were not actually in the playoffs until the end of the meeting. The states. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This is like the under 500 division winner makes the Super Bowl. Yeah. Devastating. Yeah. Yeah. This is the dumbest sport thing we do. Redemption for Tate. Redemption for Tate. We made fun of Tate so much for drafting Chris's team and now he's in the finals, which honestly is a thing to remember that shout out. It's mocked. Has Chris like added or dropped anybody? Is he just spending $0 on them? I think he added a defense when they were on buy and a kicker when they were on buy. And that was literally. So he has the same roster that he drafted week. Tate is a fucking visionary. He had it a tight end, a defensive, a kicker and beat the shit out of us. He's got the same team. Dude, nobody got hurt. Nobody got hurt. Like he got the. This is the real NFL, Craig. It's the healthiest team wins. He has Jameer Gibbs and then the rest of the team. Honestly, it's the perfect example. You look at the team and you're like, what happened here? His receivers are like Zay Flowers, AJ Brown, Keenan Allen. And you're like, okay, yeah, that team's not going to make it. He's Gibbs and Kyron Williams. Even current he is Travis Kelsey, DJ Moore, all these guys where you're like, there's no way this worked. He had Devonte Adams, who was great. He didn't play this. He's TJ Hawkinson. Who never even cut TJ Hawkinson. He said he's the only guy he had. It was Hawkinson. He always believed in him. He's a. He still has Matthew Golden. Glue guy. Oh, that's really sad. It's kind of like us winning Ringer 107, despite not having any gambling expertise and not trying. It is exactly like that. It's there's a lesson in all this. If only we could find it. Okay. Here's the lesson. The NFL needs lines for every game and handicaps. That's the lesson. All right. Before one second song challenge, another shenanigans. What do you, uh, fantasy court? Sure. Let's do it. Oh, yeah. Definitely don't tell anyone in session thing that you're doing. I don't really want to be handcuffed. The definition of an object is a material thing that can be definition of an object. Okay. This is fantasy court case. Here's from Mickey. Mickey. Cut me, Mick. Mike. Mickey writes, my college league is in its 17th season. And we've had unprecedented levels of apathy and disrespect for the law. We have had a last place punishment in place in this league for years and years. And some past ones have included a guy living in Singapore had to take the SATs at a high school. Someone documented a weekend at a sad Airbnb in a random one street, Colorado town. Someone had to run a tough mother dressed like they were in the God squad from righteous gemstones. Oh my gosh. And then 2023 season, someone slacked on their punishment of drawing caricatures of strangers in a public park. And then they were threatened with a points deduction midway through the season until they did it. So that pretty legit. Wow. Is there like, yeah. And Mickey writes, mind you, this is a co-ed league filled mostly with couples in early 30s, almost all of them have one or more young kids now. So the 2024 punishment last season's punishment was the loser had to create, build and design, or I guess it's more design, create, build a first and last place trophy for the league. Wow. Tremendous looking trophies. I think that's pretty tame compared to the other ones. Oh, that's easy as hell. Way easier. Yeah. It's like money, but it's not embarrassing or effort. Yeah. So while it has been like, so the 2024 loser has still not produced any trophies. Obviously they've had like 11 months. And while it has been lightly called out all year, the drumbeat has this week hit a fever pitch and the league is out for blood. And fast track to today. This is the week of Christmas. The guy not making the trophies is going to be in our championship for this season. Wow. He's not made any of the trophies. And for no reason other than he's just, he's claims he is over complicating it to make it cool. Even though he told us about this at the draft and he said, just make something and get it done. The people now want some kind of penalty because it would be really fucked for the league champ to owe everyone punishment from the year before. So they want to know what to do about this point deductions that would go back and alter the results of the season seem too punitive to take them out of the finals. Basically, the commissioners made a decree that he will deduct 40 points from this guy in week one of 2026. And there will be an ongoing weekly 40 point deduction for all punishment dodgers going forward. So every week you don't do it, you lose 40 points in that matchup. Someone else suggested that after a certain date in the off season, you have a deadline to get it done. And after that date, someone else can do your punishment for you. And then they get your first round pick. Okay. Which is I've never heard before, but it's really funny. The 2025 punishment, this year's punishment, is that the loser esteem, nothing but unseasoned ground beef for lunch and dinner for an entire week. And hence the name of the subject line of this emails fantasy court. That's kind of a dream. That's so lean. Dude, that's pretty good. You know, so you're just going to enter ketosis for a week. Sounds good to me. So the email or Mickey says he thinks that the winner of this league, in addition to designing the trophies, should also have even if they win, have to do the beef week on season ground beef punishment. Beef week. Beef week. Beef week. So they want to know, Fanny Sakura, how do you think this should be solved? What? And I think there's two questions. How do you resolve this winner situation? How do you prevent this going forward? But DK, what do you mean? Chief Justice here? What do you think? So sorry, the question is, how do they get him to make the trophies ASAP? No, it's what do they do? How should this be handled that the winner of the league may be this year? The guy in the championship hasn't made how should they punish him? What should the punish? Well, I think if I was if I was running this league, I would say I'm detecting five points from your fantasy finals score every day until the fucking trophies get done. I don't like just fucking do it. Go to go to Goodwill and buy some trophies. It takes 10 minutes. It's the holidays. I don't like meddling with the championship week. So lenient. I don't know. I'm like, it's like hard. He's like you're traveling or in laws. You're like kids. So much for tough on crime. Craig. All right. I think I like I mean, like subtracting 40 points from your score every week is quite severe. But I think that would actually get you to do something. You know, I'm fine with like deducting or like revoking your first round pick or deducting 40 points. I think stuff like that's good. I think he has to do. I think this person has to do the ground beef thing. Yeah, that's fair. And in addition to make the trophies and how are they going to police that though? He hasn't made the fucking trophies. He's not going to eat the fucking beef. Well, then but you have to that's that you have to pair it with one of these other rules either after a certain date. The thing of I can just do your punishment and I get your first rounder is really funny. I think the real answer that you probably deduct 40 points every week until they you know, but it's funny or not. Someone else steal your pick. That's hilarious. I think he should do the ground beef, even though he probably won't. And then I don't know what you because then we're going to get another email in three weeks being like he didn't do the ground beef thing either. No, you combine it with the 40 points thing. So he would lose 40 point every week of next season. You don't do the punishment. So basically you're losing every week. You just get what it So every week he doesn't build the trophies or eat the ground beef. He gets deducted 40 points for either of those. So it could be 80 points. Yes, bingo. Yeah, I like that. Make it impossible for him to win a fucking game if he doesn't do that. I think DK is the right. I'm leaning with DK. I think five points every day till he gets the fucking trophies this week to Christmas week. Yeah, he's had fucking a year. He like he came in last place 51 weeks ago. It's that you know what the issue is? It's the easiest punishment they've ever had. It's a trophy. It's too easy. It's why you put it off. I do get that. Go to my vote. We start on the 26th, Craig. So it's just Friday, Saturday. Yeah. And we can deduct 10 points per day. These fucking trophies are getting made before Sunday, pal. He's got to make these over the holiday. You can slap a sticker on it. He can go to crap. Yeah. What if he's flying to a different coast? That's what the first 50 weeks of the year were for. These rules aren't designed to be convenient. I disagree. I don't care. Remember that time Jordan Addison was like pick your four months in prison and like, you know, it's just, you know, it's the DUI. They're like, yeah, I just pick whatever months you want. Craig's just, you know, it's like you have a certain amount of time. You've a win. And the spirit of Christmas, I'm going to give him four days. That's all. No, write it in your descent. Write about it on your blog. Before we move on, we get this question a lot. It's not the most interesting, but I think people talk about this a lot. We don't talk about it a lot. What do you guys think of people who are out of the playoffs making waiver wire transactions while other people in the championship? Just depends on the type of league you're in. Is there a toilet bowl? Yeah. Let's say it's a redraft league and it's not toilet bowl or championship. People are just adding players. That's weird. No, I think that should be locked and not allowed. What about toilet bowl? I think anything is allowed there. You try not to get last. Yeah. Yeah, I'm in lockstep with you guys, but if someone adds Michael Carter and they're just in fifth. I think the idea of adding players so other people can't get them, even though your team isn't actually doing anything is dumb. But is it a gentleman's agreement and they violated that or is it like a rule? It should be a rule. If you're in a meaningless fifth place game and there's no prize for that, roster should lock. Is it bad? It's the hangover, masturbating on an airplane. It's not legal. It's just frowned upon. I think it's legal. Oh, thanks, Bin Laden. I think it should be illegal just so there's not more work to be done after the crime is committed. That way, if it's a rule, then you know that it's a transgression rather than like, oh, we get a fantasy court next week. That's like the guy in fifth added Michael Carter, but we never talked about it. Like, it should just be a rule. Yeah. I think you have to turn it from frowned upon to a rule. But toilet bowl, you should be able to make ads. Like if there's stakes. All right, we have a very special, very special segment here. We are going to do the one second song challenge Christmas edition. For those who don't know, this kind of spurned from us having an argument like one of the most instantly recognizable songs ever, which led to what are songs you could literally identify in one second, which led to us trying to compete, which has led to I actually don't even know how many iterations of this we've done. I think this is the fourth. I think all of us have hosted it, right? This might be the fifth. I think I've gone up against DK twice and up against Hyphids once. Maybe so. And I went up against Hyphids once. So this is the Christmas version. And again, if you want emails, ring your fancy football at gmail.com. I will send you the original one second song challenge playlist. It's very fun to play this with your friends and family of the holidays. So if you want Christmas one, I have this is a special Christmas edition. And yeah, emails to ring your fancy football at gmail.com. I'll send you that playlist. Christmas songs here. Everyone knows Christmas songs. I feel like almost the point of a Christmas song is like, you know it, but you have no idea what it's called or who's exactly really funny, which is why this is funnier. We could get like legit zero of these and it would be that surprising. But I'll know the song. Yeah. So here, so should we do a test here just so people understand the bit? So basically, if you make it a drinking game, it's really good to where it's basically you play one second of the song and someone buzzes in and then whoever buzzes first, you get to guess the name of the song and the artist. And if you're making this a drinking game at home, you get if you get those right, you give a drink for the name of the song, give a drink for the name of the artist. And if you're wrong, you take a drink, take a drink. So you can do one and you can split it one in one if you want. So here, I just as we have a little buzzer system for all the people who yelled at us about it, not liking when we're just yell buzz. We actually have a buzzer. Shout out to Benton. We emailed us a little website. We're going to use to actually have a buzzer system for once. You know, we're getting big time here. So you guys want to do a test one here just to just to get the kinks out? Sure. No. OK. Well, I like to go running without exercise or without warming up. OK. Did you go with like deep cuts? Did you try to go real popular? What was your strategy? I'm not telling you, but they're not deep cuts. OK. You'll know all this. So you'll know all the songs here. We'll just do it. This is not a Christmas song. It's just a little test here. All right. So DK, you buzzed in first. It's Eminem. Tick tock. Tick tock. My name is my name is. Nope. Wrong. Oh, that we did this before. I feel like. Craig real slim, real slim shady. Yeah. So that would be one point to DK, one point to Craig. OK. So now we're going to go Christmas edition. And here's the deal. I've decided I saw a Christmas song. Well, it could be. It's like die hard. Yeah. I made the executive decision that because Christmas music has to make in the list, it was like, you know, you might not know these artists who makes what song I will. If you cannot name the artist, you need to sing some of the song. And if you sing it with gusto by my soul, subjective decision of how hard you're trying to sing, I will award you a point if you can't name the artist. Yes, Craig. Is this a humiliation ritual or is it to show that you actually know the song? It's to show that, you know, some of the song and I want you to try. It doesn't have to be good, but I want you to actually sing. And I want to show like. Why do we do this to ourselves? I don't know. People like humiliation for content. I can't explain. Right. OK. This is the trivia. Honestly, the hardest part is going to be me. Primus. All right. So you guys ready? Sure. All right. Let's do it. OK. All right. Merry Christmas. Merry Christmas. Craig. Merry Christmas. Danny. All right. First song on the docket. You guys ready? Yeah. Yeah. Sure. Craig. The song. The song is Jingle Bell Rock. You're correct. And I think the artist is. Oh, Helms. Something Helms. Correct. Yes. Bobby Helms. I'll give it to you. That was a buzzer beater. OK. I'm officially fucked. If Craig got that one, I'm fucked. Did you guys just be complaining like, I don't know Christmas music? To be clear, I wasn't complaining. I'm just stating for the record. I don't know any Christmas music at all. You knew that song. I knew the song. I've never even heard of any Helms or whoever was Bobby Helms. Bobby Helms. I haven't either. I think he was kind of around with Cloyce. Yeah. He was a big, him and Cloyce Box were partying. I would have gotten Jingle Bell Rock. I did buzz in. OK. Yeah. You lost. OK. All right. Next up here. You guys ready? Yeah. Yeah. Craig. Mariah Carey. You fucking got that? All I want for Christmas is you. Yeah. Oh, DK, that's my. All right. Maybe I mean, I thought I buzzed fast on that. OK. That's tough. All right. I can't buzz. Oh, I fucked it up. I fucked up the buzzer that time. Deke, I'm giving it to Deke. I knew he was going to say so. Deke. Last Christmas. I don't know what the name is. Last Christmas. I gave you my heart. And it's George Michael. Wrong. Craig. Wham. Wham. Wham. Wow. Deke. He was in Wham though, right? Yes. Oh, I kind of. He was the lead guy. I'm going to give it to Deke. I'm giving it to me. Christmas. That's horseshit. That's horseshit. If I named the Beatles and you're like fucking horseshit. If you say John Lennon, that's not wrong. Well, George Michael had a solo career. Just like John Lennon had a solo career. Maybe I'm literally wrong, but spiritually, that's that's not a wrong answer. He's literally the guy singing. That's I'm giving it to Deke. I'm going to need it, Craig. No, I'm he named the guy who's singing the words. That's not wrong. Come on. All right. Well, I got I got two cheat points there because I buzzed in really quickly as soon as he refreshed it. Now you got to refresh it. So let me ask you this. Yeah. I don't know if you're going to play it. John Lennon has a Christmas song called Happy Christmas Wars over. If I said the Beatles, is that fine? That is less right than naming the lead singer of a band. That's for whatever reason. I think that is similar argument. But John Lennon is unambiguously in the Beatles, but the Beatles are not necessarily in John Lennon, if that makes sense. So just to be clear, if you played that song and I said the Beatles that that or I said, Oh, I see, I see. Here's the deal. Here's the deal. That guy was talking. Come on. Here's the deal. I want to I'm actually taking my point away because I cheated anyway. I hit the buzz. No, I am giving D.K. I am decided here. You're like that kid in the basketball commercial. It's like, Hey, coach, I touched it. When did it bounce? Shut up. When the game? All right. Okay. When the game? What are we talking about? You fucked up the buzzer and gave him a guess. Yeah. I'm taking the I'm I'm I'm deciding. I'm the game. All right. Yes. Next song. Come on. All right, Craig. Have yourself a Merry Little Christmas by Frank Sinatra. Yes, that is correct. Oh, blue eyes himself. Yeah. Ted Lasset just was like, Oh, I'm sort of thinking old blue eyes. Recurio personality. All right. Next up here. White. No, wait, did Craig win? I think he won that one. Oh, that's on me. That's on me. Sorry. D.K. I don't know. Craig, you go. Chestnuts roasting on an open fire. I'll give you a point for that. And I'll give you two sets of names. Jack Ross nipping at your nose. I'll give Craig one point for singing. I don't know the name of that song. I'm ending the window to guess is over, but if you guys want to keep going, you can go, but I'll give Craig one point. That's the end of the round. But do you want to try? Dean Martin, Nat King Cole. Oh, yeah. And it's the Christmas song, but it's one of those where there's like parentheses. It's called the Christmas song. It's called the Christmas song slash Merry Christmas to. Yeah. Okay. Okay. All right. Next song here. Craig Bust. Go ahead. I believe that is Bruce Springsteen. Correct. And it's Santa Claus is coming to town. Correct. I think it was right. He's going to get it. I told you. I told you. You know what's so funny? You know what, D.K., when you kept saying, I'm not going to have Christmas music, when we discussed that, you never at any point mentioned you don't even own any Christmas clothing, which I think would have really painted the portrait that we were kind of rolling for. D.K. is just listening to jazz still right now. And on December 23rd, D.K., are you do listen to Christmas music or no, I do not. What happens? I guess I just don't have the Christmas spirit, Craig. Why? What was that always a thing? Or did you start? Why are you guilt-tripping me about this? I just never had it. I don't know. Do you not like it? No, I do like it. I just don't. So you're telling me like tonight, cooking dinner, whatever, you wouldn't just throw on a Christmas playlist? The Christmas playlist that we play. And I apologize if we're stepping on this for later is the Peanuts Christmas album. Yeah. Yeah. Which, and I'm going to be honest, I don't know the name of the band that does that. I don't even think that is a good name. It's Peanuts. Well, I have bad news because. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Craig must have first. God damn it. Because my fucking hand was not on the buzzer. You didn't tell me. I'm giving it. I'm giving it. Actually, Craig, you have no chance. Oh, what's the name it? You have no fucking chance. It's not just like the Peanuts band. Believe it or not, it's not. This is the. I kept it in, but this is the most unfair one, but I'm hoping to kick again. Well, I. You can't even sing it. No, it's. It's is the name of the song. A Charlie Brown Christmas. Man, I kind of. What is the name of the song? That is that, you know, it's so funny. I'm here on Spotify. We're company men that's not name of the song. But if you look at the thing that is, in fact, the actual words plastered on my phone. So I kind of want to give them the point there. But can you name the guy? Well, you just showed it to me. Oh, well, you did you read it? Thomas Garaldi trio. Oh, Vincent. I'll give you one. I saw Garaldi or Geraldi. So he didn't get the name of the song right. And then you gave him the name of the band. Yeah, but I didn't really so much. I hated Christmas when I was going to do this. Turns out Craig Craig doesn't like it when the host puts his thumb on the on the. What is happening here? It's the Christmas spirit, Craig. I didn't realize he did. Oh, did it goddamn Christmas clothing when I told him to do a Christmas challenge. I told you six or seven times. I know zero Christmas music. Oh, stop. You just named you knew the peanut. This is the honest and I didn't know it. You literally I just thought you didn't know the names of bands like Christmas. You know the Christmas songs. He's known all these ones. I just buzzed it for you. Craig. It's like it's like the Hawaiian Malik Ali. Gilaqa is a thing to say, right? Yes, that is that is the you're right about the song. Can you get can you get the Hawaiian name of the song? No. Do you know who's saying it? No, DK Les Paul. No, then I don't know. Craig, I'll give you the last chance to sing. Malik Ali. Gilaqa is a thing to say when Christmas day. That's the island reason that I give to you. That is good. That is enough of the song to overcome the fact that it's melee. Kaliqa Maka, but you really did. You did keep going there. So I'm going to give you one point on that. That's pretty. I did say melee Kaliqa Maka. Yes, eventually we got there. I mean, I like a couple letters. Sort of. My god. Close enough. If I don't get that. It's one of them. Like, did you get it close enough that you could auto correct it? You know, sometimes you just have to spell it close enough to get there. So all right. Wait, wait, who sings it? Greg. Run Run Rudolph. Correct. That's by what fucking? Chuck Chuck. Why am I blanking on this? Chuck. Barry. Sorry. Yes, correct. Okay. This is a fun game. No, I'm fine. I'm just, I actually know less than I thought, which is shocking. No, I didn't know that song. Wait, play. I have it's played like five seconds of that song. You don't know that run, run Rudolph. Okay. Yeah. I guess I would recognize that. All right. Well, next up here. That one, you know what? That one's it's here comes Santa Claus is like, oh, come Santa Claus. I don't like that song. Wait, did you did no one buy buzzed? Oh, you did. Fuck. Oh, sorry. You got to pay attention to the buzzer thing. Oh, sorry. I did. You're right. This is the system of credit. Well, did you know that honor system? Honor system. Would you have known that? I would have known here come Santa Claus. Well, I didn't say the name. Do you know who did it? No, I have no idea. Can you sing it? Here comes Santa Claus. Here comes Santa Claus. Right. Down Santa Claus Lane. That is what I was looking for was the street. Santa Claus Lane is the name of the song. No, I just I wanted you to sing enough of the song that I felt like you use the song. Okay. Okay. Wait, wait, wait, why is he two? One because instead of in lieu of the name of the guy, he's saying the song. But I feel like if you know the name of the song, it's easy to sing the song. Well, yeah, it is indeed. So you shouldn't get double the points. It's the same. You should, if you only know the artist, but you can also sing the song to me, then you get two points. Craig, you're up 12 to 5. Yeah, Craig, there's no way I'm winning this. DK. I didn't buzz. Fuck, I was lying because I buzzed. I did the buzzer wrong. Okay, Craig. Santa, baby. Yes. This is the hardest name in the thing. I would suggest you sing. Santa. Again, I don't think I should get a point to the Santa, baby. Slip a Rolex under the tree for me. Yeah. I've been an awful good guy. That's good. Eartha Kitt was the singer. Oh, shit. Eartha Kitt. She's super famous. Eartha Kitt is a legend. I can't stress enough how much better Craig is at this than me. One more time. Okay. Craig, did you get it? High-fives. You have to tell us who won the buzz and don't lie. I believe it's Let It Snow. Yes. I don't know. Dean Martin? Yes. Oh, the weather outside is frightful or ing? Frightful. Frightful. Because the fire is so delightful. Let It Snow. Let It Snow. I knew that one. And I would have guessed Dean Martin because that's just my guess for everyone. Just keep going. All right. This is an important one, guys. Lock in. Craig buzzed. Holly Jolly Christmas? Yes. Booblay? Yes. Oh. It's our guy. I'm glad we got that one. And by we, I mean Craig. I'm kind of Mr. Christmas. You really are. Yeah, this is where I'm Jewish and I think I could have competed. Maybe next time you guys will listen to me. Yeah, probably. All right. Next one here. Craig again. Yeah, I didn't even buzz. Oh, I'm blanking. I need to hear that again. Damn it. Three, two, one. They can go to DK. Okay. I don't know. The Beach Boys? No. Craig, can we do it again? Oh my God, I know it. Don't tell me. I'll be clear. I have no idea. Never heard that song about life. You're going to be mad. Can you give me two seconds or no? Give them two. Come on. I know the horns. I know the horns. Fuck. What is it? Feliz Navidad. Oh, that does make sense. Jose Feliciano, baby. Feliz Navidad. I'll do one more here because this is just a brutal, brutal. All right. You got to reset the buzzer. All right. Last one here. This one's worth 20 points. Winner, winner, take all. Oh, oh, oh. DK. Elvis Presley. Yes. Are you fucking serious? Yes. Elvis. I don't know. The guy going, oh, oh, oh, oh. I don't know the name of the song. Santa Claus. No, it's it's blue Christmas. No, I don't. I've never heard that song. Okay. Tiki gets 10 and still loses, actually, because Craig gets one. That's still okay. There you go. Craig walks away at the winner of the Christmas one second song challenge. And we all know that was competitive guys. You didn't even play my favorite Christmas song. I left them off. What is your favorite Christmas song? Rockin' Around the Christmas Tree by Brenda Lee. Oh, I skipped that to go to the Charlie Brown one because I thought it was funny. Yes, I did have that one on. That one honestly is maybe the most of them all actually. I had that right in front of the Charlie Brown one, but yeah, that's the Brenda Lee song. Oh, number one. Rockin' Around the Christmas Tree. You know, fantastic Christmas soundtrack is home alone. SNL just did that. That was goddamn. All right. One second song challenge. Emails at ringerfancyfootballgmail.com. If you want that playlist. Well, the Christmas one, honestly, you can look it up like just Christmas playlist, but if you want the full version of one second song challenge, emails at ringerfancyfootballgmail.com. Sorry, Christmas. I apologize. Chris DK's Christmas music knowledge matches his current color palette today, which millennial gray millennial gray DK. Can you do you have one homework assignment and it's I'm going to send you a Christmas playlist and you have to listen to the whole thing this week. All right. It is. You don't. You have to eat ground beef for a week straight. That's true. Just draw Craig. Send me send me the Christmas spirit. Okay. I need some of yours. I do fucking love Christmas. Ringer 107. This week's ringer 107 is presented by Fandall 17 weeks in boys and we are still somehow we're fucking hanging on. And I know people do help setting their lineups to the championships and everything, but honestly, we're recording this Tuesday afternoon. It's like the injury reports. It's Thursday and Saturday and Sunday and Monday. And I'm like, I we can try to help you on social and everything in the Amazon, Instagram or emails, but we'll set rankings and everything, but it's going to be frankly, I don't think we're going to give like cutting edge analysis right now on Tuesday when you're going to have questions like five days, six days from now. So we're going to make our picks. Godspeed if you're in the championship. Are there any lines that stand out to you guys? Yes, six of them. Okay. Phenomenal. I think we could bet the favorites in every single Christmas day game. You have Dallas favored by seven points against Josh Johnson. Mario down. I think he's going to play. It's Detroit minus seven against Max Brozmer. And then the night game, the Broncos minus 12 and a half versus Chris Ola-Dukin. I'm like, so here's what I'm thinking. You can parlay all those money lines together and it's and it's minus one 10. No, let's just do the Broncos minus 12 and a half versus Ola-Dukin. He's like they barely played football. You want to do all three of those? I kind of like all three. Just all the favorites to win on Dallas minus seven versus Josh Johnson, Detroit minus seven versus Max Brozmer. Honestly, I kind of, okay, I had, I already had lions and Broncos circled. So I'm down for Washington when I like the Cowboys when I like the Leafs. But what are the other ones? I mean, Texans, Chargers, the other ones I like are, I like the Packers minus two and a half versus Baltimore. I think Baltimore gave up. I think Lamar's hurt. I say it likely he's talking about how they're, what did he say? We ass is fuck. I'm just like, I have a rule when players say we ass is fuck, then I bet against them. If this line is still out of less than a field goal, it's at minus two and a half. Like the Packers just came off a loss. Is Malik Willis playing or Jordan Love playing? Or either of them playing? Yeah, let's not do that. We can't bet. If we don't, if Jordan Love misses this game, I don't want to bet on it. All right. All right. That's fair. Okay. The other one I was thinking about the Bucks, mine is five and a half playing the Dolphins. So it's Quinn, you were sold. Right. I'm just like, the Bucks also still have a division title to play for. The games in Miami, but it's like, Miami's running the ball. Well, maybe Miami wins the game outright. The Bucks are injured, but I just don't, yeah, I'll just take Quinn Tampa Bay. They're also in Florida. They can fucking handle it. It's not really. And then the other one I had was the Patriots minus 12 and a half versus the fucking Jets. I had the Patriots on there. Yep. Wait. So are we going to break our record? Because like two weeks ago, we bet we laid 58 points and we went four and one. And so this week we'd be doing nearly like 42. So we had a Broncos giving 12 and a half Cowboys giving seven lines, giving seven bucks, giving five and a half Patriots giving 12 and a half. The other one I'd swap out Cowboys giving seven up for the Texans getting points versus the Chargers and their fifth string tackles. I know they just played the Raiders, but party wants to throw the game out. Why? I think great defenses respond. I think frankly, sometimes that like, I think the Texans just kind of lull agate because they thought they'd, they'd roll the Raiders. You feel more confident that the Texans are going to cover against a playoff Chargers team than the Cowboys can beat Josh Johnson by seven. I guess we can do the Cowboys. I like the Cowboys one. Yeah. I find so we'll do those five. So Lions, but Broncos Cowboys Bucks Patriots giving 42 points combined. Well, I know that's like 44 points we're laying. Well, hi, Fitts, why are you, are you nervous about Josh Johnson being competent? I just, the Cowboys are just a weird team, but no, screw it. Let's do it. I think we're going to, you know, five and oh, like every week. I like this. Let's do it. I mean, it's just all favorites, but I'm like, yeah, I don't know. This is the time of year where like we're in losers bracket territory. I mean, the Giants getting important half. I just feel like the Giants are going to win this game and the Giants are going to cost themselves. Oh, really? Well, I know. I guess I want to hope for that, but now let's go with these five. I like these five. Yeah. And the Giants are underdogs by a point and a half against the fucking Raiders. Pretty pathetic. All right, let's do these five. Pat's Bucks Cowboys. We're also doing the quarterbacks. So yeah, it's the quarterbacks of it's golf against Brosmer. It's bow nicks against a lot of con. It's, we are betting against Brady Cook, Quinn Ewers, Chris Oladukin, Max Brosmer and Josh Johnson. Yeah, let's not overthink it. I'm like that. That's, that's, that's erotic. Yeah, that is pretty, all right. Today's ringer one of seven is brought to you by Fandall Odd Subject to change. All right. Any other skills you want to do? Christmas? Everything. I just want to show you how the Giants defensive line coach has prostate cancer and he was like, get checked. And yeah, so man, if you're listening, get your asses checked if you're of a certain age. Do it. Yeah. It's very treatable. Yeah. Merry Christmas. Thank you to everyone who's been with us all year. Merry Christmas. Happy holidays, everybody. Please tweet us. You know, you're, if you're doing the one second song challenge, if you're baking cookies, baking bread, I'm going to make bread this holiday season. Send us what's going on. Tag us on Instagram, whatever. Yeah. Ring your fancy football on Instagram. Drop it in the Discord if you want. The invite link is in the episode description. Thank you to the mods there. They're, you don't beef and swish. Got it going on. Thank you very much to D. King Craig. I'm thankful for you guys. Appreciate you guys. Like also shout out to Carlos and shout out to Kai and shout out to Cam and shout out to Austin and thank you, everyone who's helped us this season. And of course. Thank you, Lauren. Lauren. Thank you, Judy Garland. I don't know. I clearly don't know much Christmas music, but thank you, Craig. Craig sent me his Christmas mix. Yeah. I made that. I cannot wait to look at this. I made that with my bare hands. I love a good mix. I'm not going to lie. I wish that mixes were more popular saying to share with each other. It was fun when you used to burn people's cities. Yeah. People don't do it as much anymore. I feel like you could just find random mixes online. Where's the soul in that? Does Judy Garland have popular Christmas songs? And did you just pick her because she's sad because her name is Garland? She has have yourself a merry little Christmas. I don't think I knew that she sang Christmas songs. I'm not going to lie. She has an incredible Christmas song. It's an incredible Christmas song. Which one? It's Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas. It's Jackie's favorite Christmas song is Judy Garland. All right. Thank you to everyone. And yeah, Merry Christmas. Goodbye, everyone. Immers yourself in Herbal Essences new Moroccan Argan oil elixir infused with pure argan oil. Just one drop delivers up to 100 hours of hair nourishment with the indulgent scent of a Moroccan garden. Herbal Essences new Moroccan argan oil elixir, spa quality hair repair without the price tag. Try it now. Herbal Essences. Service repair to smoothness nourishment with the regimen use versus non conditioning shampoo.