Duck Call Room

Al Robertson & Uncle Si React to Miss Kay’s Big Comeback

56 min
Apr 7, 202611 days ago
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Summary

Al Robertson joins the Duck Call Room to discuss his upcoming Lifetime movie about his marriage to Lisa, his father Phil's legacy and the impact of transparency, and Miss Kay's remarkable health recovery. The conversation weaves together themes of redemption, faith, family business succession, and how personal vulnerability creates ministry opportunities.

Insights
  • Transparency about past failures creates exponential impact—one person's willingness to share their story (like Phil's movie) can catalyze transformation in strangers' lives over years
  • Generational mentorship works best when the mentor has 'the t-shirt'—Phil's credibility to encourage Al came from having walked the same destructive path and recovered
  • Health and purpose are deeply connected; Miss Kay's physical recovery coincided with regaining agency and joy (birdwatching, social engagement) after near-terminal decline
  • Media (film, podcasts, TV) serves as a legitimate ministry tool when controlled by the family/message-holders, enabling reach beyond traditional preaching
  • Succession planning requires humility and trust—Phil's ability to step back from Duck Commander and let Willie lead without interference was as important as the business itself
Trends
Faith-based family brands leveraging professional media production (film, streaming) to deepen audience connection and ministry reachVulnerability marketing in faith/wellness spaces—audiences respond more to redemption narratives than perfection narrativesMulti-generational podcast networks as discipleship and content distribution (Unashamed, Duck Call Room, Hillsdale podcast model)Health and longevity becoming central to faith messaging (PhD weight loss, AG1, Raycon positioning as wellness, not just products)Mentorship-based business succession models in family enterprises, emphasizing relational handoff over transactional transferMarriage ministry as growth sector within evangelical/faith-based content and events (marriage retreats, testimony-driven programming)Nostalgia-driven content revival—original Duck Dynasty audience aging into grandparent demographics, creating demand for legacy contentCharitable partnership visibility (St. Jude, Make-A-Wish) as brand authenticity signal in faith-based entertainmentPodcast studio-sharing and cross-promotion among faith brands as cost-efficiency and audience-building strategy
Topics
Companies
Duck Commander
Family business at center of discussion; Al discusses Phil's succession to Willie and business philosophy
A&E
Original network partner for Duck Dynasty; Al praises their handling of Phil tribute episode and new show production
Lifetime
Producing movie about Al and Lisa's marriage story as part of new Robertson family media projects
Willie Corey Productions
New production company creating Duck Dynasty revival and other Robertson family media content
St. Jude Children's Research Hospital
Charitable partner; Al and family have supported for years; discussed as model for staff dedication and no-cost care
Make-A-Wish Foundation
Reached out to original Duck Dynasty cast to bring children with terminal illness to set; inspired quarterly commitment
Carnival Cruise Line
Al took grandchildren on cruise ship where Guy Fieri's burger restaurant was featured
Wendy's
Mentioned as partner with quality beef standards; casual reference in conversation about food quality
Hillsdale College
Hosts Friday podcast on ancient Christianity featuring Al, John Luke, and Christian Robertson
People
Al Robertson
Primary guest discussing his marriage movie, father's legacy, and faith-based ministry work
Phil Robertson
Deceased patriarch; central to discussion of legacy, succession, and impact of transparency in faith messaging
Miss Kay Robertson
Recently recovered from near-terminal health decline; now engaged in birdwatching and family activities
Willie Robertson
Took over family business from Phil; involved in new media production and mother's care
Lisa Robertson
Al's wife; subject of Lifetime movie about marriage restoration; co-hosts marriage ministry events
Jase Robertson
Mentioned as 'older brother' in prodigal son analogy; involved in family dynamics and business
John David Robertson
Co-hosts Unashamed and Hillsdale ancient Christianity podcast; mentioned as biblical education recipient from grandpa
Hunter
Host of Duck Call Room; invited Al Robertson to appear on show
Uncle Si Robertson
Mentioned regarding dental work rumors and participation in podcast discussions about faith and family
Tim Tebow
Author of 'If the Tree Could Speak' about crucifixion; book promoted as Easter resource
Guy Fieri
Featured burger restaurant on Carnival cruise ship where Al's grandchildren dined
Martin
Co-host of Duck Call Room; expert on bird identification and biology
Ann
Willie's employee since age 16; now primary caregiver for Miss Kay; described as excellent at her role
Christian Robertson
Co-hosts Unashamed and Hillsdale ancient Christianity podcast with John David
Quotes
"One man can make a difference. Yeah. If he's honest with the world and transparent, yeah, you can make a huge difference."
Al RobertsonMid-episode
"Doctors made pills to help you lose weight, but God made food to help you lose weight. You just got to eat right."
Al RobertsonSponsor segment
"When you see that over like 40 times, you know, a couple of times would be enough for me. But 40, because the whole Robertson family has done it."
Uncle Si RobertsonEarly episode
"Whatever goes around, it's come back around. I watched the, I watched all the shows, but the show that I've enjoyed the most out of the new show is the one that tribute was the tribute to dad."
Al RobertsonMid-episode
"You're an underdog till you find Jesus. And then you're a champion."
Uncle Si RobertsonLate episode
Full Transcript
Welcome back to the duck call room. Ladies and gentlemen, today we've invited the dark side over. That's all they say that because he's wearing all black. I was like, whoa, I decided to go a little Johnny Cash for you boys today. We got Al in the house, people. Al said I need a laugh, so he left the Unashamed studio and come over here. Well, hey, you come to the right place. I have to say, I have to say, good. I get asked a lot to come on and I'm not always able to do it. But Hunter asked so nicely that he got through my veneer and just said, I've been under the door. He got out. Speaking of the man. He's down. Speaking of the man. Have you seen such a smile? I know it's spectacular. Is this the day today's. Hey, these here are just the healing teeth. These are 10. You still don't have the permanence. I'm heading, you know, the what? Next week, Wednesday, to go up and get the permanent ones. Yeah. What are they going to do? I went back. I went back like two weeks ago. Please. And they took these out, done a bunch of x-rays. And like the ones I've got, seeing how much they have wore down and all this, you know, and then then they finished the product. Yeah, it's a finished product now. Well, it's not in his face. It's funny size. I get. So I travel all across the fruited plains and purple mountains. And I get asked a lot about you, probably more than anybody else. And there's been rumors about your teeth. And so this guy, a recent event said, is it true that Uncle Si went to Mexico to get new teeth? Missouri. And I said, no, but you're close. It does start with him. It does. Missouri. I love it out there. There was somewhere there was somebody that said that I went to Mexico like he was getting probably in one of his articles, getting a little sleeve done off the radar sleeve. I've got a turkey and get a hair transplant next. Oh man, a lot. But by the way, thank y'all for letting us use your studio while ours was out. I heard I did not know that. And Si came in the other day. So we're doing the podcast. Si comes in and says, down, I see him over there. And I was, you know, we're recording. That's what I'm thinking. Is I'm going to be on the podcast. So I'm trying to think of our forgot something. Well, I didn't know you guys had been using our studio. And so he sat there for like 30 minutes and finally somebody had to come get him. No, no, I was there for an hour. We were supposed to start at one o'clock. I come in there. You got wrapped up in a podcast. And then I got wrapped up in on the shade because what y'all was discussing was also it was a pretty good discussion. No, no, it was, you know, you could just watch. I never did think about, well, OK, why would God choose the one Rome was in power? Why would he choose that date, that timeframe for Jesus, his son to come on this earth? Right. And when y'all got into it, there was all kind of good stuff come out. Yeah. And when Zach said something about power. OK, because they was the power of the of the earth at that date. Right. You know, but then I said, oh, man, I wanted to jump in there so bad. Well, I wouldn't acknowledge that because I knew I knew if I acknowledged him, he was going to start in a microphone. I was fixed to take over. So we were doing our, you know, on Fridays, we do our Hillsdale podcast and we're doing ancient Christianity. So that was what that was about. And John Luke and Christian are on there with us. And so we were talking about ancient Rome and really the kind of the first two hundred years after Christianity came in. And so the setting, it didn't just end there with the persecution and all that. It just went on to the process. But that's exactly why you can. What was important on that for me was, OK, y'all brought up like it said about the gates of hell will not prevail. Right. OK. And you said, well, hey, we the Christian movement has never been defense. It's offense. It's always been offense. That's right. Ever since Jesus said, put on this earth. Yo, and established his kingdom by dying for it. Well, hey, the march, the Christians have been marching on. So it's not a whole line. It's still going on. You know, I like it, but it was just it was a fabulous. OK, so I want to I got a question for you. Oh, did you get this? Did you get size response to our podcast on this podcast later that day? Because I knew when he walked out later that day, the next Monday, the following Thursday, unlimited power. Even though they didn't have the powers, what Zack needed to say. Well, no, no, because most Christian people, OK, and I tell everybody when I'm out, I said, y'all, y'all don't believe in the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit because y'all never watched him work on them work. And I said, and God has blessed the whole Robertson family. But we've seen him do his work and his power because we've had thousands of kids come to us that are dying of stage four cancer. And we said collectively, we said prayers for him. And hey, guess what? They all might look down at that moment and say, bam, it's gone. Well, when you see that over like 40 times, you know, a couple of times would be enough for me. But 40, because the whole Robertson family has done it. You know, folks, they're real and they're alive and they're well. And they are doing the most remarkable thing with the most unlikely people you would ever run into in your life. You're truly. That's how I reminded me of the Martin. You remember the first time that we were back when we were doing the original show? Make a wish reached out to us about bringing kids in. And we didn't know what to expect. And the first time, I think there were maybe half a dozen or so kids, but when you include their families as well, they were like 40 people. And so we come in and, you know, they're so happy to see us. And we start looking at the kids and their situation. And we're all looking at each other like, whoa, like this is heavy because these kids are going through something rough. I mean, you know, a lot of them, their heads are shat. And so we kind of did our best. And after they left, I'll never forget this. We all got together and we were like, look, we're going to be doing this once a quarter. We have got to like bring our double A plus game to be funny and to lift these kids up because our job is they came to laugh and have fun. And we were also like heart sick. We were all over the crown. Oh, we were trying to calculate the last time I had a cough because I was like, man, these kids immune systems are shot with the treatment that they're on. And I don't want to be the one to give them. So I remember that point forward. So I would start wearing boas and. Exactly. Every time. Of course, when I did it, I went home that night and cried my eyes out. I did too. And look, I hit my knees and I asked God, I said, hey, look. Make me come up with what I will do, whatever it takes to make that kid smile. And you did say you were amazing. And you were kind of our ambassador of the whole thing from that point going forward. But we did that for seven or eight years straight. Yeah, that's still a good one. I remember we was all in it's like a guy going into combat, watching a buddy get killed. It's that traumatic. Yeah. OK, and I remember like it was yesterday when I looked at that kid and I looked hit my knees at night and I said, father, whatever you got to do, do it. And hey, there ain't no limit. I will do whatever it takes to make that kid laugh. Yeah. Whenever I was in full time ministry, probably three different occasions. I wound up at St. Jude because we had a member that was there. So you're not been there when I was out on the road. I'm going to say something here. I came with a couple of things. One is just how courageous families can be. Number one. But number two is the people that work at St. Jude Hospital. No, no, that was. There's like there's sainthood and then there's that because those people are incredible. When I got to talking to the doctors and the nurses and the staff and the help. And found out that 90 percent of these people. Were were as kids were cancer. Yeah, they was. And then they chose to go to college to study for eight years so that they could fight it. Yeah. And I said, my goodness. You know, like you said, there's good people. And then there's all that. Hey, step above and beyond being good. Well, every dollar you ever send to that place is the one of the best dollars you ever spent. So I encourage you to keep that guy. I mean, I send money all the time because they look these people that are coming don't have to pay. I mean, it's like because of. Oh, no, not one penny. This is amazing. Yeah. And they don't cut corners on their beef. No. On their what? On their beef. Wendy's. I mean, he's the one that. Oh, fun. Sorry, I was trying to get out. I mean, I won for I love a good weird joke. Martin, even I struggled. But that's a fun fact. That is a fun fact that Wendy's doesn't cut corners on their beef and they have a major role. That's right. They do. My dad is. Those are really good hamburgers. I love you're welcome. I love a good Wendy's burger. Oh, I look for a segue when I can. I heard Dave Thomas was like, hey, we're we're in there. Let's slide down. I was just that we were just on a cruise ship. I took my grandkids. I shouldn't laugh at that. But to my grandkids on a Carnival cruise last week and Guy Fieri was on it. He wasn't on it, but his hamburger place was. This burger joint and my grandkids ate four guys burgers a day for a day. Well, haven't been on a cruise ship. But now because I'm PhD. Yeah. Oh, boy. Haven't been on a cruise ship. That was probably a pretty good call. Because most of the food there is. Oh, it's not very good. Yeah. Slide. Sands the ice cream. It's like it's just a it's a barn hills on the water. It is. Yeah. Well, boys, spring's here. I'm out on the boat almost every day and I'm feeling great. I'm eight weeks into the PhD weight loss program. I'm already down 20 pounds. It ain't just a number on the scale, though. This old body's feeling better. That it has in a long time. It's so different than any other weight loss program. Would the help you get your coach and just the way I feel, my knees don't hurt no more. Observation from an outsider. It's working. Hey, let me give you a secret. Doctors made pills to help you lose weight, but God made food to help you lose weight. You just got to eat right. G.I.P. One drugs are really popular right now. And for some people, they can help. But they don't fix why your body stores fat in the first place. At PhD weight loss, they'll address your metabolism, hormones and your body's stress responses. So weight comes off naturally and stays off. It's not just about weight loss. It's better health and longevity. Right now, call PhD weight loss and mention. Go on. You'll get two weeks free in the program and they'll pay you for your food. That's a $1,500 value completely free. Call 864-644-1900 and say. Go on. And again, that's a 64644-1900 or visit my PhD weight loss dot com. No more guessing. Just a smarter way forward. It's how you been, Al? You've been, I've been beachin. You've been. I've been doing a little bit of beachin mostly speaking. This is like our heavy season of travel. So at least I'm doing like 31 events this year. They also did a, you know, have you ever seen a situation? Maybe it was a family or a marriage and you thought, man, that thing is so bad. They could make a lifetime movie about it. Well, they're making a lifetime movie about me. At least. So you're way better. Segway's. That's good. I thought you were about to talk about some restoration. You saw 10 years ago. No, you're talking about the one you're living. I'm talking about the one I'm living. I thought he was, I was like, I hope he doesn't say the name of whoever he goes to church with. Good night. Oh, it's me. It's me and Lisa. And so they actually, it's a, it's a part of, you know, willing Corey, they have a new production company that's doing the new show, the new duck show. And so a part of that was to make some other stories about the family into some sort of media. And so lifetime was very interested in my own Lisa's story. And so, uh, cause it was like I said, kind of the most tragic of all of them, but obviously it's turned out well, because, you know, we've been together for 41 years. So we, so we did it. They filmed it up in Arkansas and, uh, it was really surreal to meet, uh, a 30 year old man, young man that is going to play you. The Al Robertson. The Al Robertson. And he was me from, from 17 to 30. Okay. So he played me as a youngster as well as on the way through. So that's kind of the period of the film. Did he get that sweet tattoo on his arm? You know, he should have, but he did have some. You stole the, I mean, I was about to say, did he just throw some letters on his arm? Did he cover that? The reason he didn't is because he didn't know anybody that knew prison style that too, because you got to have just the right friend in your life to give you that one. You know, so that, but he was, it was really interesting because, uh, the, the, uh, actress that played Lisa, I think she was 33 and this young man, Luke, his name was 30. And, uh, we had to talk to him for like an hour and a half or two to like, you know, get into our heads who are, so we had to do it by zoom. Cause you know, TV movies are fast and quick. I mean, their thing is filming three weeks and we're done. And, uh, so we had this conversation was really surreal. And what I found was interesting is that the minute we got into talking about mine and Lisa's life, of course he's read the script. So he's aware of our story and read our book, but he starts into stuff going on in his life. And I thought, you know, it's the same thing that always is. If you're willing to be transparent about what you go through, even the people playing you in a movie will say, well, you know, here's what's going on with me. What do you think about this? So instantly it was a ministry opportunity for the guy playing me when I was young and, you know, kind of out there wandering and trying to make my own way. So it was really great. Uh, we obviously, we hadn't seen the final product. We did go visit the set one day and it was up in Benton, Arkansas. It was cold, but he and dad, you know, the actor, me and dad, and the guy playing dad was pretty funny. He was a, it, it, it doesn't look exactly like dad, but the guy got his mannerisms down pretty good. I have to say, I was impressed. Uh, you know, thumbs up and, uh, they were sitting out on the front porch. And so by this time I've come back to the Lord. And so when I came back, um, it didn't happen like the next day, but I had been like beaten up severely, like life threatening, beaten up. Uh, and when I came back home, I still had the remnants of that. What he does in the, in the scene here is he's got, oh, got the yellow bruised eye and the, you know, he got the look. And so he and dad are sitting on the porch and we're putting the duck calls together and he's just basically saying, I screwed up. You know, my life's been a mess. I'm sorry. It was, was me to dad. And what was neat about it was it was one scene in the movie. It'll be probably 20 seconds, 30 seconds, but in life, that was three months of me sitting on the front porch down there on the river with dad, putting duck calls together. Cause Jace claims I've never been a duck call shop. Other day, Jason was like, well, you may not know this, but here was the duck call shop. I said, Jace, why are you were still pooping in your pamper? So I was at the beginning. You were just a little, you didn't know anything. Don't tell me, do I know what a duck call shop is? Yeah. Who do you think's the number one son? Well, come on, man. So, so anyway, so in that scene, it got me watching it because we're in the back of this house, they've taken a house and they recreated it to be mom and dad's house. And, you know, it doesn't look exactly like theirs, but here's what they got. They got mom's crap everywhere. I mean, it's just, I mean, like, I'm looking around. I thought you, you people, somebody did some serious research because this house was empty, so they totally recreated it. They just started putting stuff everywhere. And little notes stuck all over everything. You know how mom's house always was. And so they totally nailed it. But I was watching in the back as they were filming it and just watching the scene, you know, it just takes you back. And I thought, man, this 30 seconds was three months of my life of dad basically building me up and saying, it's gonna be all right. I mean, you were a mess. You're right. But now you're on the right path. And so I was just so deflated because I'd been so bad. But dad, you know, you'd think he wouldn't be like you're in courger. He didn't say about that kind of person. But he did. He like totally breathed life into me in those three months and got me turned around. So I don't know. It's just the only scene I saw, but I saw it. And if it comes out, the whole movie comes out like the one scene I saw, it's gonna be really good. You said that. And that reminded me about when he let Willie take over the duck commander. Yep. And he, he, he never got in Willie's way. Willie has said that several times. Now, hey, that's hard to do. It's hard to do. You know, that's hard to do. This is your company. You formed it. You, you and all that. Now he didn't get it in the business side of it. Okay. Cause Kato care all that. But I'm just saying for the man to just hand it to the son and then step out totally and never, you know, so, you know, then, but this whole thing, whole point of this to me is, okay, people always said, Hey, one man can't make a difference. That's a bunch of crap. Okay. Cause I'm looking at the Robertson family. One man can make a difference. Yeah. If he's honest with the world and transparent, yeah, you can make a huge difference. No. Yeah. Because I remember having a discussion when you and Lisa was having trouble. Oh yeah. And I had told you, I said, well, how, here's what you should have learned from this. If you've never been done wrong and had to forgive forgiveness, you don't know what forgiveness is. Yes. Right. Y'all. And the reason I knew that me and my wife had problems. Okay. And I had to forgive her. She had to forgive me. Yep. Yeah. So it's the one of these things that, Hey, whatever goes around, it's come back around. I watched the, I watched all the shows, but the show that I've enjoyed the most out of the new show is the one that tribute was the tribute to dad, which was the season two premiere. And I just have to say, I had to say this in public. I don't think I've said anywhere else that I'm so proud of A&E because, you know, they and dad didn't always get along. I'm about to say, I mean, I know it may be staying the obvious, but there was a few, there were a few dustouts back in the day. And so I said, Phil got out the way and didn't say, as a guy who was in those other meetings, he let it be known. It was still he is just so hero. We were in the other one too. So at the end of the day, I was so impressed because to your point, Si, you know, we wasn't always an easy road, you know, filming, especially with dad, cause he wanted to preach and do his thing. Nope. But you know what? To their credit, they honored him. Uh, I love that episode. I cried at the end of the episode when, you know, they showed the episode, the 50th anniversary episode. And so I just thought, I just wanted to say a shout out to them because they've done, I feel like right by us. And that's getting to do this movie was great. Cause at least I do a lot of marriage ministry. What the main reason I want to do it, there's hardly any money in TV movies about just so you know, John David, if they want to approach you about your story, there's not much money in it, but I will say this, my kids got a chance. I got none. What I will say is that if you're due ministry and you would like to have a professionally done movie about some of the stuff you share in front of audiences. The one thing I asked for was access to clips and stuff from the movie. So I could use that in the ministry tool. So, you know, like if we're telling the story about, you know, Lisa and I getting to the point of when she had her affair and this is a intense setting to have that where somebody filmed it and there's two young actors playing us and we can actually show that that's pretty good. I don't have to tell the story. I was like, here's what it looked like. Yeah. Well, there's, you can tell the story, but a lot of times when you put a visual component to it, it, I mean, kind of like the blind was right. It was. That's right. We all heard Phil tell those stories. Right. How many times he was, he was an open book, but then you saw it lived out and you're like, Oh, that's a little tougher than just, just listening to the man sit there and say it. It's just like with our family, Martin, you and John David have been around us all these years. I mean, we told stories ad nauseam, but you put it on camera and you put some other components in there. I mean, it really makes for entertaining TV. And so I think it does media in the art of television, making as well as moviemaking is just another way to get the gospel out there. I mean, it's just another way to see that. And that's what the blind. And not only that, the best part of it is, okay, it shows the power of God. Sometimes you get so familiar with something, it's easy to take it for granted to forget what it actually costs. And y'all know that we believe the story of Easter is the most beautiful story ever told, and we definitely don't want to cruise past the importance of what Jesus did that day. So what if this year you slowed down and considered the crucifixion from a new perspective, right? That's exactly the idea behind Tim Tebow's new book, if the tree could speak. It's a great book, beautiful pictures. My kids loved it. Hey, on page 112, it's the tree talking about how he came to learn who is suffering was for. And the next page is a really good one because it just says you. There you go. Make it simple. Look, it tells the crucifixion story from a perspective you've never heard before the cross itself. The illustrations are phenomenal. We just talked about them. Every page leads you to really feel the weight of the crucifixion moment. And even if you know the story, which we all do, this book gives you a fresh way to see it. You'll reflect, think and deepen your faith. This is more than just a book. It's a meaningful way to prepare your heart and revisit the story of Easter in a new way. It's a way to introduce your younger kids to the resurrection moment. This one's worth checking out. You'll see the crucifixion differently than ever before. If the tree could speak by Tim Tebow is available now on Amazon. Order your copy today. And it don't make any difference how bad you thought you was. Mm hmm. God can take you and turn it around and make what you did a victory. Yeah. OK. And I mean, you're in like most people didn't realize how. There's dramatic experience field doing the movie blind. Effected him. Oh, it did. OK. And he was apprehensive about it. Yeah, I'm his brother. So I know. Yeah. Because a lot of times I was with him when he was doing what he was doing. And it put me in a bad situation. Kay felt better because I was there, but that didn't help nothing. OK, but it bothered him to the point, especially when he's slapping Kay around in the movie. Right. You know, because deep down that man loved the ground that that woman walks on. Yeah. OK, and that hurt him more than anything else for them to show him abused in her. Yeah. And that was the part that I just, you know. Well, you know, so it's interesting because the most people that have a bad past and I'm going to say Christian, not Christian, whatever, they spend most of their life trying to bury that. Yeah, cover it up as far away from his father. There's many layers. Exactly. And look, that's all understandable. I mean, I fixed to have a movie about me, you know, so I get it. And it's going to show some of the worst parts of who I was. But I told dad and I had a lot of conversation about this. And, you know, at the end of dad's life, first of all, he found out about Phyllis, which came out of nowhere when he was 74. And so again, that's your old life that comes calling back because here was something he didn't know about nor did mom nor did any of us. And so all of a sudden, Kay suspected what mom said there would be. She said there would be a someone show up. She thought it'd be a boy. No, we didn't know. No, no. We didn't see. I thought the only girl we had in the family was Jeff. And then Phyllis came along. Sister. Yeah. Yeah. Just stay. But we're. And yeah, I mean, as a guy, connect. Yeah, because Phil used to always make fun of like Jeff. All three girls, you ain't getting all the way there, you know? So when that happened, all those jokes that he said to Jeff and to stone and for and everybody else for however long was like, uh-huh. Well, one of the jokes was about time I got. Hey, that was my statement. What goes around comes back. So we had Phyllis show up, which was obviously, I mean, like mom and dad handled it great. I thought our family handled it great. I mean, we love Phyllis. She's definitely part of the family, but it was a blow. I mean, it's hard because you spent your whole life and all of a sudden you've got to integrate a whole new family into your family. And then, and then the movie was right after that was like, you know, three years after, two years after that, and that was something else. And now it's like, because dad looked at me, he said, Al, he said, would you want the worst part of your life on a movie screen? And I was like, nope. None of us would, but I did say, I said, but dad, look, I do think that if you, and it's up to you, we don't have to do this project. This is one of the early discussion because I'm the Phil whisperer, you know, that was, and so I called Jim many a time saying, hey, I need this done. So I was, I said, but dad, I said, I really think if we do this and it's done well, I said, at the end of the day, I think it will be because our family is in charge of it that it will win a lot of people. And he looked at me, you know, kind of had dad is he's just kind of cigar story ended Indian me for a few minutes. And then he said, you think we'll win some. I said, oh, I know we'll win some. And he said, well, let's do it. And that in essence was dad. So now that he, you know, it in two years later, he was gone. And so I realized now that dad lived his whole life for those 50 years post wild feel totally in wide open mode for the, for the almighty. And so at the end, I think there were a couple of challenges just to remind him, like you remember, you remember how you got here. And, you know, you don't get that perspective until somebody's gone. But I look back on, I think, I think that was the challenge at the end to say, well done, my good and faithful servant, because it was just a reminder. It hadn't always been easy, but you did the right thing. And so when I, now that I'm 61, it hit me not too long ago. I thought, you know what, mom and dad were my age and Lisa's. When this whole thing first started with the Benelli show came out, they were my, they were early sixties. And they're running all over the country, just like Lisa and I are flying everywhere, speaking every time you turn around doing all this stuff. Hey, had a perm. I mean, mom had a perm, all this, all this like activity. And then I thought it was all there and it was wide open. And then it was over. Like then it was like, it's just, you know, that, that's it. And so they went out in a blaze of glory. And so it reminded me that even though I'm 61 years old, I don't know how much time I got left, but whatever it's going to be, it's going to be wide open, that's the most. No, no, because man, he talks to it. You know, and I said, what were you thinking when they came to you with this ideal? And he said, well, he said, you know, if it, if it will bring one person to Jesus, it'll be worth it. Yeah. I said, yeah, but you're, they're going to put you on the screen. The real Phil Robinson back then. You know, and he said, Oh, I know it. But that's why I said most people don't realize how much that impacted him. Yeah. Okay. Cause Joe, and I finally, it made me angry. Yeah. I said, Hey, y'all need to get off of him. I remember. Hey, that was the old Phil Robinson. You need to look at what Phil Robinson, the new one has done. Instead of just keep piling on to him, you know, get off of him. So let me tell you this story. I don't think I've ever told this before. So three years ago at the WFR marriage retreat, we're there. And that was the year that was right after the movie released. It released in September in this. So this is the following February. And this guy comes up to me. They were from Russellville, Arkansas. And he said, I got this young man that wants to talk to you. That's here for the retreat this weekend about how your dad, how the movie, the blind, has changed his life. Of course, in the moment, I'm thinking, Oh, here we go. Here's one right here. So I look around when he's not in the room and his wife is down there, you know, because it's a marriage retreat. And I was like, is he here? Because like you said, and I'm looking around, where is he wants to meet you? We don't know where he is. So he's outside. He wouldn't even come in at this point. He was like either fearful or shamed or whatever. And I said, was he here? And he said, yeah, he's waiting outside. I said, we'll send him on in. So he comes in, he sits down, he's kind of looking down at the floor. And it took him a minute. And then so he tells the story. And his wife is kind of helping him. They went to the movie. She got him to go to the movie because he's a huge Dianesey fan, huge Phil fan. And so, you know, his life's a mess and a lot of stuff. And but she got him to the movie. And she was she was she knew. So he watches the movie and he doesn't react at all. He doesn't do anything. She said, just like he was like almost catatonic at the end of it. They get in the car, they're driving home and nothing. He doesn't say a single word all the way home. And a couple of times she said, well, did you like the movie? He just kind of give her a little nod. That was it. Nothing. They get home. And Lisa and I call it when we do Marriage Ministry, truth vomit, because it's just like you can't hold it back any longer. They get home. He just like he cried. He so he and he started telling me this when he started crying when he was telling me just where his life had been all this stuff. So, you know, he told it, we prayed together, I got to know him a little bit that weekend. And then they go back to Arkansas. So, you know, I don't because he's not like he's in our church next year, rolls around. This is two years ago at the marriage retreat. They said a couple's doing, I don't plan anymore to show up and do stuff. And this couple gets up to do their testimony. Guess who it was? This guy and his wife. So the next year, they're giving their testimony at the marriage retreat. And when he's up there, giving his testimony, he's he gets to a point in the in the testimony. And I could tell you he looks and he stops and he had a hat on. He pulled his hat down low and he's looking down at the floor and he's about to reveal something he's really ashamed of. And it was an addiction to pornography. And so when he tells it and he says it out loud, his wife looks at him and she's got tears in her eyes and she says, that's the first time you've ever said that in public. And she said, I'm so proud of you. Of course, all of us by this time are like, yeah. And but in that moment, I just thought, man, so I watched this guy from one year to the next. Now he's sharing his story. And then this year at the marriage retreat, they're back again, year number three. And he tells me about all the times he's been going around now, giving his testimony. And he's about to start a podcast. And so he's like, can you can you help me? I know y'all do podcasts. And I said, yeah, let me hook you up with some of our people back at home. So I just thought, I watched that young man over a three year period. But it started because we made that movie because dad was willing to say yes. Well, straight outside because he's ashamed to come in. Yeah, start with exactly. What even come look at me? He was like, what do you look up at you? Yeah. And now he's a hero. Now he's sharing it with the world so that they can get the benefit of, Hey, you're never too far gone, which is why you have to be transparent. I always tell people don't be stingy with God's victories, because those are the ones that impact other people and make a big difference. So anyway, that's a, I don't have ever told that story, but, but that just me watching it over three years is pretty amazing to see it. Yeah, that's awesome. That's why I always tell by it. Hey, one person can make a difference. Rings here, life gets busy, travel, eating out all the things, you know, but one thing I keep consistent is a G one. It's an easy daily habit for whole body health. And it only takes 20 seconds. AG one is a daily health drink that's clinically proven to support gut health and fill in common nutrient gaps with more than 75 different vitamins, minerals, probiotics, and more. 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Welcome kid with your first AG one subscription order. That's a $72 value yours free only while supplies last go to drink AG one.com slash duck. Well, we all rooting for the underdog, right? Right. I mean, we're all underdog. It's funny. Cause we all been there. Well, yeah. You're an underdog till you find Jesus. And then you're a champion. So that's always the fun part, man. But it's fun to me because you keep saying one person can make a difference, but it always goes back one more person because if you say feels huge difference, you go back to a Jan, you go back to Bill Smith and then you go to Al, then you go to this kid who talked to Al and who's here in his testimony. And so it's all one person that God's using. And then he uses that to just make rivers of other things that God is an expert at picking the one person. Okay. That's going to get that person. And then that person is going to make such a huge difference that it's unreal. And look, and we all play a role in it. I mean, John David knows this, but his grandpa approached me and Jace and said, you know, we see something in you boys. We think you've got something that's bigger than just sitting on the side of the river. Yeah. And so they were like, we will, we'll, I'll support, help support you to go to preaching school, because I think a good biblical now who knows where it'll take you. And I mean, up until this point, I never even imagined anything like that, but he had the vision to see that. And then your parents and aunts and uncles, because of them, we were able to get our biblical education that wound up being the basis for everything we do to this very day. All those people build into that. So it's not just even the one, it's everybody around. No, no, because I was telling J.D. and Phillip the other night that I want to incorporate what we're talking about in the podcast. So I believe we've gotten too silly in this room. No, no, no, I want to, you know, I know, I know there's so many people out there struggling and hurting. Yeah. Yeah. And I want them to know that, hey, the, the, the healing process is available for you. Absolutely. And you've taught them that you don't have to get serious to teach them that the healing process a lot of times is laughter. Oh man. And you, you bring a smile to a lot of people. Well, this is back to what I'm here. This is what I said at the beginning. I think the value of what you guys do on duck car room is to make people laugh. I do think it's good to provide some. I want to bring in more of what we like we're doing today. Well, I think it's, you got more time on your hands. Yeah. I need one more pie. That's what I need. Well, there's one thing about, hey, look, he's worried about his leg. You're not the only person that's ever been Joe. Sorry for what he's done. Well, and that actually goes, I thought this when you were talking about you and your dad, and you wouldn't imagine him being the encourager for those three months on the front porch, but he was the perfect person. Cause he was that guy. He was. So he saw himself. So he was like, Oh, you can get through this. I've got the t shirt. J.D. If you've been through it, your taco be able to blow smoke up my rurian. But it's, but it's talking to the one that I'm like, Paul, I'm the worst there is. Sun's the light. Don't even go down that route. But it was dad's humility because J.D. He's the one that told me two years earlier, you know, you got to get your life straight now, son. You're a mess. If you stay, keep doing what you're doing, you're going to wind up in a bad situation. And he was exactly right. A guy almost killed me in New Orleans because my life was so bad. So he could have said, I told you so, nanny, nanny boo boo all day long, but he didn't. No, he only told K. He only told mom that. He went back in the house and Miss K told him. I was right. But in humility, like he had been, he had been hard with me straightforward. But when I needed just someone to like lift me up. And so it reminded me of a time when the prodigal son is a beautiful. No, no, I'm serious. If you realize in the prodigal son, I'm the older brother in the family, but the younger son of the story, Jace is the younger brother, but the older brother in the story. We talked about this many times in the podcast. Yeah. Cause then, and Phil, you know, he knew he wasn't waiting when you finally come back. He met you. He ran in the yard with his arms open. He did not make me look. He didn't say nothing about it. He said, Al, we got duck calls to build son. Let's get after it. That was his thing. It didn't hug me, but it didn't give me. Well, yeah, I'm glad you're back. That's exactly right. So that night we killed the fat catfish and had a celebration. There you go. The lost son had come home. It all getting over just like the Bible. Malthus Cyprus, Israel all in the one. And Jace grumbled. Oh, he did. Jace. I mean, good night. I've been here a whole time reading my Bible. Jace's credit. He says, I wanted you to be punished. Well, hey, look, at least he was honest. He was. He was honest. He was. Jace has always been honest. He was the older brother in the story because he was like celebration. You know, we need to punish him. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But look, you're going the wrong way with this. I said this about Jace before I was like, but Jace, I do not hold any grudges because I was terrible to Jace. Jace was a narc. He was always trying to get me in trouble because he was the only one that knew the real me. Cause you know, when you're 14, 13 or 14, or your brother's older and messing up, you know, cause you're around, you hear the little story, you know what's going on. And even in the movie, there's a couple of scenes. There's one in particular that I saw. They just sent me some clips and it's me. I'm coming in and there's like, where have you been? And I made up some lie, you know, about where I've been. And when I'm walking out, Jace said, I know where you've been. I shut up. And I told the director, I said, in real life, I would have just grabbed him out of the throat. The whole was terrible to Jace. Is Jace the reason Phil whooped you and all your friends? Oh yeah. Cause that's one of the greatest stories. Oh yeah. He was the, he was the key narc and he always was. That's one of the greatest. That episode with that, I told them, I said, son, I'm impressed with your friend. I said, because I, if I'd have been there, I said, hey, you kiss my rear and I ain't coming down to that. That's your dad. Well, especially the one guy who had never been there before. Like you talk about the wrong place at the wrong time. Like W. E. And Greg, they were my best pals. So you'd expect them to stick up for me. But I was like, dude, I mean, just, just leave. Just walk away. This is the time to get involved in this. So he came back 30 years later. He came to Wivesfield Road one Sunday and he walked in and I saw him in the back and he looked at me and, and he said, you don't remember me, do you? And I said, you look very familiar. And he went, I don't want to say his name because it may embarrass him, but he said his name. And I said, good night, son. I said, this has been 30 years. I said, I've made you famous. I've told your story. I said, you were the fourth guy where dad was whipping and said, son, I don't know who you are, but you go home and tell your parents. And so he laughed. And so dad comes up and said, dad, you're not believe who this is. He said, who, who we got here? Who's this buck? And I said, this is the guy that you said, I don't son. I don't know who you are. But you're going to tell your parents and Phil Robertson whipped you behind. And he was like, is that you? And he said, yeah. And he said, did it work? He said, no, sir, it did nothing divorce. He just kind of goes into his sad tale of his life. And that's it. It didn't help me. It didn't help me. So then I said, well, son, come on in here. Come on down to the house. I'll tell you about how to get it done. So it's like same old dad, you know, that's amazing grief. Oh man. Oh, what a walk down memory lane. Well, how, I know last time when we called K, you were, you were the one who came back on rain on the phone for so how, how is miss K? We'll get a little personal update. You know, I'm going to tell you something. I have to say not many times a lie. I'm pretty good at just, you know, looking at situations and giving you a pretty good, you know, breakdown of what's going to happen seven or eight months ago, I thought mom was done. I thought she was following dad. She, she was in terrible like physical health, mental health. She's in the hospital. She has UTI. She's, she's like, I want to die. I'm ready to go be with your daddy. I mean, she was at that point. And I've never actually shared this, but I feel comfortable now. She was next door to my grandmother. Yes. And so I would go see my grandmother and then I would stop and see K and like, I was, I never wanted to like overbound and say that, you know, K was in the same place as my grandmother, which is where my grandmother passed away. Exactly. And, and then, you know, and I would do the same, J.D. And when I would go down and visit your grandmother, I knew with her, I thought she's not going to be here much longer. And I thought the same thing about mom. And so when, when they were there together, I thought, I said, we'll be doing a funeral by the end of the year. And this was last year. And this is like, you know, early fall. And all of a sudden when she got out of the hospital that last time, she, she went, she went back, but she started feeling better. And you could tell. And then she's lost some weight just because she wouldn't eat much. You know, she's, the, the usually get real thin at the end. And she lost some weight and she started getting up a little bit more. And then finally Willie comes in one day, it was like, I don't think she needs to be here. I think we need to move, you know, try her at a house. Of course I was all for it because I thought it would be better for, and to be honest, I thought it'd be better to die at home to be honest, if you can, you can always do it because we couldn't with dad. We just couldn't take care of it. So we tried it and I mean, she just flourished and all of a sudden somewhere along in there, she was still having all these dreams and stuff with dad. But then finally one dad has came in and it just seemed like she had her old spark back. And it seemed like her. This message is sponsored by Raycon with Mother's Day coming up. 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And like, you know, and now I took a picture of because soon as she drove up, you know, gay roll the one or the other and I said, what are you doing? I said, you're such a pain in the butt. Okay. I said, you always have to. You know, she said, why are you jumping on me? And I said, because you're a pain in the butt. Just like you would have 40 years ago. I said, you ain't changing neither of us. So, you know, and out of why, we both just grabbed each other's hand when I'm holding her hand and man took a picture of it, you know, and we're talking, I've given her a rough time. I came in the other day and I said, so how you doing, mom? Cause now she loves to sit out on their back deck and watch the birds and to be outside and which again is amazing thing. Cause before she just like zombied on the TV. And so now she's like loving life again, enjoying things. And she said, I've been working on a new TV series. And I was like, really? Jeff and Jessica in a movie, you at least now my I was working on working on it. It's about a bird. So I said, I said, what is it about? Mine? She said, what's about me? Of course. I said, okay. And I said, what are you going to do in the movie? She said, watch birds. That sounds interesting. Oh, I'm about to blow her mind. I'm going to get her one of those with a Bluetooth camera. Oh, that's what you got to have. Watch it from anywhere. Subscribe to that. But anyway, so, so the next day I came over and she said, well, I'm writing a new book. I said, you are. And so what's the book about? She said, watching birds. So that's where she's at right now. It's about me watching birds. But I actually think I had to go visit her. Actually, this is a great time of year for be a bird or cause you get all the migrants coming back through. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. This is, this is when the list grows. My friend, how often do I text you a picture of something and say what can you tell me what this is? A minimum monthly, at least once a month. Every time I'll see something. I was like, I know who, because some I say, I don't know what this is. I was like, I know a guy. I know a guy that does. I sent him away. He don't. He don't. He'll research and find out. I always said he could totally be full of crap. And I'd never know because he's so confident and quick with his answers that I'm always by it. But actually Martin knows biology. I know all my stuff. I mean, it's, well, most of the stuff you run into is common anyway. So that was like the easiest ones to learn. If it was a toughie and you run into it, then that's, that's pretty cool in and of itself there too. If I'm like, hold on, but now they got all those AI deals that you can like scan pictures. That's really cool. That video I sent you AI was not going to get it. When snow or ice comes, you see all kinds of new, new species of birds. Because there's a little, he's a some kind of sparrow, but he's red-bested. Red-breasted? Yeah. He's beautiful. About little? Yeah. A little bitty thing. Oh, probably house venture or something. No, no, well, what's the yellow one? Goldfincher. Yeah, goldfincher. That's all of those. He's teaching them that. And a cardinal. Yeah. So it's probably a house man. But they only show up, look, they only show up when the snow's nice. Yeah. Otherwise, you don't see them. It's the craziest thing. See how mom's earworm is working on this podcast? We just had a podcast about birdwatching. She's on to something. She's on to something. That's what I got. My mom, one of the things I got her for the boys. We got one of those in my house. We got the birdhouse. So like you can look inside and see the baby bluebird attaching. Oh, yeah. That would be awesome. Yeah, camera. The one we have is just a little birdhouse. It's got the camera on the outside. So I can catch them coming up. Yeah. That's awesome. But Kay's doing well. She's doing well. She's doing better than I would say probably better health wise. Ann and I were just talking about this, then probably I would go back 10 years. Oh, really? Yeah. I'll be back to just after the show. No, I appreciate her driving her by the other day at the house. Oh, yeah. Yeah. She's took over what Judy used to do. Yeah. Willie tapped Ann correctly because she's done everything around here. She's been here since she was 16 at Ducamander, but he knew she would be great at taking care of mom. And so that is her main responsibility for Ducamander these days. And she's great at it. She's the best. She's my daughter, but she's 40 now, which is hard to believe. Oh, I'm aware. That I have a 40-year-old daughter. I remember when y'all brought her from the hospital, you could fit her butt in your hand. This is there. She was one pound, one pound, 12 ounces. But then she got, when we took her home, she was just at four pounds and tiny little bitty thing. And now she had three big old whopping daughters. So she's done pretty well. Well, wrestle you. She's the quietest, lippy person I know. She is. As Kay, I... The stone is scared over. Oh, no, no, no. Hey, I'm scared. Hey, look, your son-in-law is smart. He's smart. You better be scared. Yeah, don't turn your back on that one. You better be scared of me. You're the one I open. I'm telling you. Okay. The person is strong on that one. Yeah. She don't say much, but hey, buddy, when she does talk, you better listen to this. That's why I say this. She's the quietest, lippy person I know. Yeah, you better watch out. Yeah. Has Kay told you who her favorite of all the podcasters are? She has not. She said it was you? She has not. I told y'all she didn't say that to everybody. Yeah. I have not. She told me it was me. That she visited me. She came to me. I told me any difference. They're all like, she says that to everybody. She tells everybody that. She tells everybody that. No, she doesn't. Because the other day I was at work and all of a sudden, I look at her and said, is Kay at the honey hole? And her friends were driving around. She said, go there. I need to talk to all of them. And so she wanted to talk to mom and dad. We all went and talked to her. John Luke. John David, I'm going to totally back you up because when you ask her who her favorite son is, she always says, Jeff, even to me. So she is honest. Me and Jeff are the same. Exactly. We grew up around rednecks. We don't really fit in and we like Star Wars more than that. So and we're the little girl of the family. The little girl. That's right. Oh, good. Miss Kay loves us babies. Oh, man. Wow, this has been fun, man. Thanks for swinging by. Real quick, though. What? Well, we always end with the Bible verse. I'm not going to let Al do it. Are you preaching Easter is here? I am. This will probably air the day Tuesday after Easter. Or are you going to talk? I am preaching on Easter. It actually was totally birthed out of the podcast and my text to leave for you guys is first John 3 to, which says when we see and I'm paraphrasing because I'm not reading it, but we see Jesus, we will know how we are going to be. In other words, when he appears, then we're really going to know what it's all about. And so that thought really inspired me to be excited about not just the resurrection and the second coming, but what does that mean for us? Well, no, no. You know, what are we going to be like? You know, that's why I told everybody about the power. You don't know what's available for you. Yeah. But just like you said, when we see him, we'll know him for what he is. This is accurate. Okay. And that we are going to be like that one day. Yeah. And the fact that he ate fish on multiple occasions once he was glorified, I'm just saying that's one of the things I'm looking forward to. That's the Bible verse on my wrist. I'm like, Jays on that. They all going to be fishfights. Absolutely. Hey, Jesus ate fish. Be like Jesus. Yeah. I know where you can get a t-shirt to say. That's all I'm saying. Well, thank you, Alfred. Yeah. No, thanks for coming. That's awesome. Check out Unashamed if for some reason you're over here and you don't know about those guys, I would find that strange, but there's new people joining every day. That's all I'm saying. So you don't know. Check out. You go to Unashamed for the Bible scholars. Come here for laughter after you've listened to them because sometimes you'll get sad because of what you say. We love our brother. No, you won't get sad. Right. Sometimes you leave Unashamed feeling a little guilty. And I will say that. Yeah, they were talking to me. So let me go very slowly. I will say this. When you get really fired up here, sometimes when we're recording together, I can hear y'all through that wall. Oh, you hear? No, no, no, no. You hear one of us through that wall. If I get fired up there, I ain't apologize. And as a thank you gift for coming on here, we're going to get you a pair of size famous knee high socks. So have you seen these? Watch. Wait for it. It just keeps going. Oh boy. They say they didn't have them pulled all the way up today. Big bottle. And look, I put this on to go with the bees. I like that. Two way different colors of yellow. I love it. Praise God. All right. We'll see y'all next time right here in the dot com room. We're out.