Hour 2 - Mariners Need To Do The Little Things, Shannon Drayer, Blue 88

Get in the freaking auto! From the Quantum Fiber Studio, this is Brock and Zock on Seattle Sports. Brock Heward and Mark Matts. Mark, sorry about just my mic. Heward, not exactly Joe Kapp there in the pocket. Now, here are your hosts, Brock Heward and Mike Zock. Oh, man, meet the new boss. Same as the old boss. Today, a whole lot like yesterday, Mariners just kind of on repeat right now, unfortunately, and not the kind of game that you want to see over and over again. It was more of a nightmare scenario. Brock, they lose again. They fall to four and eight. Yeah, Michael. Yeah. Another one-run game. It is four one-run losses now in a row for the Mariners. Not fun. Not fun for anybody. Unlucky? No. No luck in this one? I didn't. No, I don't. I'm not going to say that that one was unlucky. No, I didn't see that. Cal mentioned the little things on Sunday, right? Yep. He said very clearly after the game on Sunday that they had a problem with the little things. And I think that as you watched the game last night, execution, the little things, was exactly what the problem was. Now, that's not to say that there weren't other issues. Obviously, you're not generating enough offense, but they had eight hits in the game. The problem was they had a home run. The problem was they weren't doing the little things. This was Cal Sunday. Yeah, you just got to take care of those little things. I think it kind of starts with the offense. Kind of sort of start there the first two games in LA. Same thing here today. So. Well, that could have been from yesterday also. Little things and execution, right? Two defensive plays that could have prevented at least two of the Rangers three runs. Obviously, you got the error by Brendan Donovan. Maybe the runner would have been safe anyway, but you give him second base at the very least. And then he scores on a hit. So that right there is an execution issue, a little things issue that turns into a problem. Then he scores on that hit. Is that a makeable play by Cole Young? Yeah. I think it's makeable. I'm not saying it's a play that's on error. But is that a makeable play? Could he at least knock that ball down and prevent a run? Yeah. And now they score on a home run. One run becomes three. If you make a couple of those plays, you limit the damage. You only give up one run. And the end of the game maybe goes differently. Speaking of the end of the game, the ninth inning is a problem. At first, you watch it and you wonder if Rayleigh could have gotten to second. And you're like, jeez, he slammed on the brakes. Awfully late for a throw that went 10 feet wide of the bag. Like, look, use the speed. Lose the power. Once that big body gets in motion, let it keep going. And then you find out afterwards that he actually missed the bag at first and felt like he better go back because he didn't want to get called out later. By the way, correct decision by him. Once you've made the mistake, go fix it. More credit to Luke for stepping up and saying it after the game and saying how he felt awful about it and that's inexcusable. Good on him 100%. But it doesn't change the reality of, well, now you're on first instead of second. And if he's on second, he probably scores either on JP's hit or on one of the fly balls that comes afterwards. And then canzone. You want to talk about execution and little things. Get people over, man. Well, you've got to at least hit it to the right side. It's the one time where going the other way is a problem for a lefty. You've got to get that ball to the right side and get Rayleigh to third with less than one out. If you're not going to bunt, and I think there is a case to be made that you should bunt there. I don't like hate that you didn't bunt, but I would be willing. Does it feel like through 12 games they're doing a lot less of that? It does. Yeah, although I don't know how much they actually did last year. So the situation in that spot, you could have gone either way. You can pinch hit, re-voss and let him bunt or you can let canzone hit away. But he's got to understand if he's hitting away in that situation, the ball's got to go to the right side. They rolled over like 300 ground balls on the night. To first base, you couldn't roll over one more. All you needed was a roll over ground ball to first. And then at least you've got second and third and an opportunity to drive in the tying end or go ahead runs. But you've got to move those runners. And instead, you drop another series. It's three of four. You've got one split and three loss series. You've got issues with the heart of the order, which are obvious. But you still, even despite that, had multiple winnable games. And if you're not going to take advantage and do the little things and execute, you got to do those things when you're not hitting. You've got to find other ways to make up for it. And instead, you're now sitting here at 4 and 8 and forcing everyone to have these same conversations about it being too early and this and that. Like, you think I want to talk about that? No. You think I want to ask Jeff Passon about what else we can say other than it's too early? I don't want to have that conversation. It doesn't make it untrue. It is early. Things can still turn around. It doesn't mean that the season is over or that this roster is bad or anything like that. I think there's so much baseball to be played. But I don't want to have that conversation. And if you're not going to hit, which, OK, hitting is sometimes out of your control, then you've got to execute and do the little things. You've got to be able to do those things in order to not make us have the same freaking conversation over and over again. And four game losing streak and losers of five or six and just not taking advantage. I mean, it's one thing if it's the Yankees and it's elite, elite pitching and elite bullpens. And you can just see it with your own eyes that that stuff is very difficult. Nevaldi was really good and George was really good. I mean, George has, he kind of gets furious, George, when a mistake happens. And then just, yeah, there were a couple of things that obviously could have happened right after that would have aided him. But he just kind of lapses. And we've seen that in his personality at times, unfortunately. And it just feels like this whole team is lapsing. Like when something can go wrong, it's going wrong. And we've been on teams like that. Like, oh, here we go again. Something's going to go wrong. We're going to, you know, you're in the midst of streaks like this. And I just, again, we just didn't expect it from this mature group, from veterans that were brought in, from all the conversations that we had, that I had, where I said, wow, this team's got multiple ways to win, more ways to win than ever has. And they do. More pieces on that bench. And it's not in any way coalescing right now. Yeah. Again, they do have all of those things. Like, I don't think you're wrong in your analysis of their roster. It's still a good roster. It's still pretty complete lineup. But not when the guys don't live up to their back of their baseball card and not when you're not executing and not when you make the mistakes that they've made, both in the field and in the batter's box. And it feels, and I know you said this yesterday, Salk, so not to just repeat the same message when a team loses and doesn't hit and can't score runs, but does have a feel of independent contractors. That, you know, and what did Dan say afterwards? They'd been maybe too aggressive at the plate, right? Like you said that before the game yesterday. Before the game. Just trying to do too much. Like, I'm just going to do my... Which we hear every year. I mean, that is the most common thing we hear when a baseball team is struggling is that they're trying to do too much. You know, we have been a little bit aggressive and maybe over aggressive at times at the plate. And so just kind of dialing it back a little bit and making sure we're getting good pitches to hit. And I think that's really the key. And, you know, tonight, Yvaldi will test us a little bit. He's going to want us to try to get out of the zone and chase a little bit. But I think our guys are locked in and going to have a good game plan against him. I mean, I don't know that they were any less aggressive last night, two walks. I mean, they had not eight hits in the game. Like, you get 10 base runners like that. You probably want to score more than two runs, but you're not executing. The last thing I'll say about the ninth inning and the bunting or non-bunting in this case, Lyle, I understand your argument against bunting. I think it makes perfect sense. I think there's an argument to be made for bunting. I think at the end of the day, you'd like the Mariners to have a sense as to what they want to do in that situation before it ever happens. And I'd like to feel like there is an organizational alignment, Brock, one of your favorite words that you've used a lot in football. I'd love to know that there's some alignment there of like, OK, when we get into this situation, this is how we want to handle it. Are we a team that wants to do X, Y, and Z, or are we a team that wants to do A, B, and Z? And I'm sure some of that is who's coming up. And it's not like there's a hard and fast rule. Or who's in the box, or what hand can you play? Who can you go to? You're not having Dom Kan's own bun. But I would like to feel like there's a, like here's what we'd like to do. And if we can't do it in this situation, here's how we'll react to it. Whether it is a strategy that says, OK, yeah, no, we're a move the team. We're move them over. They're on, move them over, get them in, and let's try to at least tie the game. That's the kind of team we are, and everyone is on board with it, even if that's the case, then Lyle, your argument like, hey, Dom Kan's own never practices bunting. He's never been asked to bun. I wouldn't ask him to bun there. I agree with you. You're right. But if you want to be a team that does that, then practice it. Then make sure that the guys like who are guys hitting at the bottom of the order, six, seven, eight, nine, certainly seven, eight, nine, have the ability to do that. That like that's, and if you're not, then pinch hit Leo Reeve, or someone else, Victor Robles, somebody on your team that you think is better at that. And if you're not going to be that team, then don't sometimes be that team, like just say, OK, we're not doing that. We are running this by the book. We're playing Blackjack, Blackjack, basic strategy. I'm never going to hit 16 against, or I'm always going to hit 16 against a 10. Like don't, don't, I'm not going to go back and forth. I'm not going to vacillate. Just in between, man. And that's really what this group through 12 games is in so many ways, defensively in some spots, you know, attention to detail in some spots, offensively, very much so in some spots, pitching really well. Giving you a chance every single game. It's why they're all one run losses. You're pitching well enough to be eight and four. You're executing poorly enough to be four and eight. And that's where we sit today. Well, we'll come back. We'll give you some of the details of this, Brock. We'll talk to Shannon at 730 and find out what the mood is after a four and eight start. 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And you made a couple of them. Eventually, Kyle Higashioka made you pay. Carter, runner goes, swinging a well hit ball, deep to left center field. Randy going back, and this one is gone. All run by Kyle Higashioka. Two run line shot. And the Rangers now lead the ball game by a score of three to two. I'll tell you, I'll throw one more at you, too. We talked about the error and, you know, defense in the fifth. We talk about the decision making and execution in the ninth. I'll give you one more. How about the bottom of the top, rather, of the sixth? You got a couple runners on. You've got your starter Evaldi on the ropes. He's getting up near the very end of his day. He's seeing the lineup for the third time around. You get a couple runners on. You've got to make him pay. That's not an execution issue. It's not a. It's not a mental concentration issue, but it is when you're when you're a good team, you've that you plan a good starter like Evaldi. You're not a moment right where you've got him on the ropes where he's coming. That's the moment. That's what they give you. That's why you're supposed to score runs in the fifth and sixth innings. And unfortunately, they weren't able to do it there. And honestly, that was probably your ballgame. You like to. And for years and years and years, we talk about process versus results, whether it's golf, whether it's baseball, whether it's a lot of things. I think the other thing I've heard a lot over the last year amongst different coaches, certainly the coach that I worked for was about data and response that here's the data. And we have so much data now in every sport, and it trickles all the way down to the high school level of things we're able to measure and all this data we have. And then how are you going to respond to it? I would say the other factor, too, so we have not seen five errors by one guy in the first 12 games of a season in our years of doing this. Yeah. Maybe who was a good looking guy that we had to cut last year because he went like 0 for 45. Are you totally player Dylan Moore? Remember, it might be his first game yet, like three errors. He did have three in his first day. So maybe he did have five and 12. I don't think he made too many after that. But this is like getting hard. Like this is almost the yips. Yeah. Am I am I wrong on that? Like in Burntonovic's doing everything else and he is hitting and in these trying and there's nothing. It's all like execution. It's not effort. So I hate to come down on a guy, but this is this getting tough to watch. Yeah. Well, there's a pretty easy solution to this in a few weeks. Yeah. Everybody wondered how are you going to fit everybody in when Colt Thamerson gets up. Yes. Colt plays third. Donovan goes to left where he's played way more and Randy starts DHH. Yes. Pretty simple. Yeah. And baseball is the way of working this stuff out, but you get enough data points and you watch enough times and it's like, oh, I mean, that's that's five errors. He's not a natural 30. Not even 12 games because he missed two. Yeah. You can see there. It's just very unnatural. Mariners now four and eight chance to avoid the sweep today. Brian Wu on the hill against the lefty Mackenzie Gore. So good news with Brian Wu, maybe not so much facing a pretty good lefty. 1135 AM first pitch pregame show will start here at 10 third on Seattle Sports on 7 10. Here's the second thing you need to know 15 days now away from the draft Brock. And I just keep seeing running back, running back, running back and Jadarian Price, the second running back from Notre Dame is probably the guy we've seen the most often mocked to the Seahawks. Rob Staten on yesterday with bump and Stacy said, yeah, he checks all the boxes of what Ken Walker does. And then he went on to say this. They've got to add somebody else. They've just lost all those big plays. Like they've got players who can, you know, get some hard yards for you, can come in and spell maybe Zack Charbonnet will hopefully come back at some point and provide a bit more than that. The players they've got at the moment can do a job, but you want to run the ball as effectively as possible. We saw how running the ball brilliantly towards the end of last season helped sort of spur you on towards winning a Super Bowl. You just can't get by at this position. They need a little bit more. Yeah, I'm not taking Jadarian Price at 32. Okay. Well, then are you doing this? Are you doing what Bill Barnwell suggested yesterday? Trading 32 for number 39. So second round picks, second pick in the second round, plus a third and a fifth. Yeah. And then taking Jadarian Price at 39. I think that that smells better to me, but maybe not even there. Cause the delta between Jadarian Price and who you can get in the fourth or the fifth or the sixth in this system, like in this system with. So what about trading, making that deal and then coming back and packaging that third or that fifth for a, with your 64th pick to move back up and try to take him in the middle of the second round. I don't know. And I don't know how much like I would disagree. I don't think he's nearly as explosive as Kim Walker. Kim Walker coming out of school was, you remember my comments about that guy? Yeah, I do. Yeah. And the production that he had as well. And this guy split carries and he is, he's good. He's dynamic, but he's not, he's not that explosive. Four or five guy, not a four or three guy. Ken Walker was that explosive. So if you want that, there's some of those guys, a lender sized, but those guys later in the big conversation with DJ in an hour. All right. Here's the third thing you need to know. A rerun night for the Kraken as well, Brock, as they did pretty much the same thing. Yeah, they're done. They took an early lead, got up one, nothing got up to the one after one and shut it down and then gave up four straight goals, hideous effort by a team that looked there. You always say the players will let you know the players are letting you know they are. There's something rotten in Denmark. It is time to make some sort of major changes. I'm so glad. Whether it's the coaching staff. So glad you said that. I was trying to figure out what is rotten in Denmark. Didn't you go to Denmark? I did. What is rotten there? Was it that fish or that thing that you almost did? It was gross, but I ate that in Sweden. What is rotten in Denmark? I was trying to figure that out. Huh? Well, the king. Is that what it was? It's Hamlet. Okay. I'm asking the king's rotten. I'm asking for Lyle. I'm asking for myself. I'm asking for Prince Danish Prince. Okay. Thank you. Yeah, it's Danish Prince. Not a king. The king or a prince? He's a prince. I'm sorry. Get it right. He's a prince. Danish Prince. Yeah, I don't feel it. There's no doubt. The king is looking for something close to elimination. Once they get eliminated, then they got to start winning though to try to get the number one pick in that draft. Rory McElroy Brock had his big master's dinner last night before the part three day today. He didn't go Irish though. People keep asking me why didn't you go more Irish? And I said because I want to enjoy the dinner as well. All right. See Rory, that's unnecessary. How dare you? That is everything you need to know. But it's true. Quarter past every hour. That's why you're saying it. Here at the Brock and Salter. Oh yeah. We've had some meals in Ireland. I like that shepherd's pie though. Yeah, that's okay. Don't knock shepherd's pie. That's shepherd's pie. Bangers and mash? I mean there's some decent here. I mean that master's dinner worthy though? No. Absolutely not. But couldn't you have done some homage to something in the menu? Just like put one thing in. Yeah. Like a potato. Something. Just something. Yeah. Get it. Something braised in Guinness. That's right. Or something. But he's Northern Irish, right? So I don't, maybe it's a different, I don't know enough about the food culture. I don't know but that menu was like, yep. Yeah. I think I would do that. I think I would do that. I think I would do that. I think I would do that. I think I would do that. Yeah, look pretty good. Yeah, there was no doubt. Part three day today and then the master's gets underway tomorrow. Shannon Dreyer is in the Dallas Metroplex for a few more hours and she'll join us next on Brock and Salk. Highlights don't win games. The full box score does. I'm Brock Hewitt and most business leaders aren't short on data. They're short on clarity. Numbers are scattered across ERPs, CRMs and spreadsheets making decisions reactive instead of confident. That's not how great businesses are built. Marquis IQ brings all your data together into one clear view. Even if it lives in disconnected systems or offline so you can see what's really happening and act faster. Stop running your business on highlights. Get the full picture. Visit data.wins.com to see what Marquis IQ can do. When you're running the hurry up and don't have time for your favorite Seattle sports shows, listen to the podcast on demand. How about that? Unbelievable. What a thought. Every hour, every interview, every look behind the scenes. We want to play a certain way and you're just going to chisel away at it every day. Find us on seattlesports.com, the Seattle Sports app or wherever you get podcasts. All signs continue to point to it being the right hire. Never miss a minute of Seattle sports, the home of the Seahawks. Old windows cost you money and security. Lake Washington Windows and Doors installs energy efficient high security windows that lower bills and increase protection. With leak armor installation and lifetime warranties, you're protected for life. Choose LakeWashingtonWindows.com today. For decades, Seattle has lived and breathed baseball. The crack of the bat, the roar of the crowd, the memories made at the ballpark. At Levitt Group Northwest Insurance, they get it because they call Seattle home just like you. They know this community and they know what it takes to protect it. That's why they listen, shop around and tailor coverage for your home, car or business. Call 877-4LEVITT. Levitt Group Northwest Insurance you can count on season after season. 877-4LEVITT. From the Quantum Fiber Studio, this is Brock and Salk, we teach 6 to 10 on Seattle Sports and 973 FM HD 2. We haven't hit on like kind of the biggest story in sports today, Brock. I shouldn't say hit on, I guess, but we'll get to that at 8. I think I was going to go through some Berkbrier stuff, but I think we'll discuss this story at 8 o'clock. I know it's a little TMZ, but I think we've got to talk about it. I think we'll do that coming up at 8 o'clock. Also today at 8.30, Daniel Jeremiah will join us about as untmz as he gets. Have you ever interlocked fingers with any other? If you ever like, when was the last time you interlocked fingers? I asked Salk earlier. I was like, can you imagine me ever greeting you and Brock? But Maura, you are not a hugger to begin with. Like that's not you, right? I have hugged people here. I know that you have. I'm sure you have hugged people. There's a difference between believe in the way you said that. Even here at work, I have hugged people that work here. I'm sure you have. But even the way you said that is makes me say you're not a hugger. Do you want to interlock fingers right now? At 8 o'clock. Can we talk to Shannon first? My God. Shannon Dreyer joining us from the Dallas Metroplex. Good morning, Shannon. How are you? Also famous non-hugger. You're not a hugger? Yeah. Oh, God, no. No, no, no. No hugging. Is that because you don't like physical contact? Or is that a joke aside? Is that a height thing? Because my wife is shorter and she does not like to hug. She's a great side hugger, though. Yeah, she'll go, always go side hug. She's like, I'm short. It's just always awkward in terms of the way everything matches up. Well, that and I think there are still scars from people always picking me up whenever they saw me. Oh, sure. Yeah, sure. That'll do it. Yeah, that all makes perfect sense. Well, this is a weird start to our interview this morning. Shannon, good morning. It is not. I mean, maybe we should just talk about this, because 4 and 8 was not the start anybody was hoping for. What is what is the mood in and around the club? You know, it was I'm not been in the clubhouse yet. We're leaving for the ballpark in a couple of minutes. So usually, you know, 99 out of 100 times, they turn the page pretty quickly. But I do think that last night was particularly tough. You know, I think that you are starting to see some frustration. I think you are starting to see them press up the plate as well. Dan Wilson admitted as much in his post game comments. And, you know, that's a tough thing. It's it's one thing when it's, you know, two or three in the lineup that are struggling when it's eight. That's when the struggle start to just kind of pile on each other. And it becomes potentially worse. Weas guys try and do more and more and more. And I think that that's where they're at. I was not in the clubhouse and Luke spoke last night. And that's a really tough one. I don't think there is anybody who wears a difficult time or a different, especially if it's an individual type thing than Luke does. He beats himself more than up more than anybody in that clubhouse. And, you know, you hate to see he is just a max effort all the time. He cares as much as anybody. And it just it's it's hard to see him make that kind of error and have to wear that and he was very upfront about it. It sounded like, and I hope he's able to put that aside this morning. And, you know, this is one of those things where they're just going to have to pull together and find a way out of it. But yeah, the offense has been struggling mightily. There's been some instances of, I think that they were really good at being able to put the Joe Adele game behind them very quickly. But when you look at the Joe Adele game, when you look at they haven't done particularly well in challenges and that's new. The ball hasn't can really bounce their way very much early on. There are things that, you know, are luck involved in baseball. And yes, for the most part, you have to make your own luck, but it doesn't mean you don't feel it when you're not getting it. And I think that all of that stuff is starting to compound a little bit. And they've just got to take a deep breath, realize where they are right now. And, you know, it's not going to help if you do press at this point and remember who they are. I think it's probably the biggest thing because you are starting to see guys get out of who they are at the point. The most concerning element of this four and eight start is what? Um, you know, it's a tough thing when you look at it, you feel good about what you were seeing with the pitching right now, both on the starting side and on the relief side. I feel confident in that they can get to where they need to be. I mean, you look up and down this line up and nobody is supposed to be doing what they're doing right now. So I think the most concerning, if you say right now, right now in the moment, and the thing that could really help them right now, play cleaner baseball. Yeah, we are seeing those small errors being made. You know, whether they register as an error or not, that's what the scorekeeper calls them. You know, you see them and it's on all sides of the ball. Sometimes it's a pitch. Sometimes it's a misplay. Sometimes it's something you see on the base pass. They've got to tighten that up to a hundred percent right now. So watching waiting. Commiserate. Sorry, those are all the small things from Blink 182. Just wanted to make sure, but it's true. Shannon, I'm with you. What do we do? It's too early for all the small. It's like 9 30 there. Come on. It's all the small things. Yesterday was the first. I've watched, you know, most of the games so far this year. They're four and eight of the eight losses. Last night was the first one that really bugged me. The first seven were like, all right, you lose the game. Things out, you know, up and down this and that last night bug me. The execution was awful. The decision making all of it. Like I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just really missed being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being being the game. I think that's a big part of the game. You've made smart decisions in the biggest moments of the game. Yeah, I would agree with that, and I think they see that too. And you would add to that that they got off to a nice start and both you had the Cal home run at two days ago, you had Donovan first pitch that he sees from a tough pitcher who was on his game last night. It's it over the fence. You know, they start out fine and then you start seeing the things that you're talking about there, and I think that you're talking about the things that you're talking about that you're talking about. Um and some of it, you know, I think that when you see those things, some of them are efforts a little bit and others are just trying too hard and pushing it a little bit too hard. So, uh, you know, it'll be interesting to see. These are the exact kind of things where the coaching comes into play. You know, you got to settle them down. You've got to not try and do too much. And at the same time, if you aren't doing enough or if your head isn't in it or if you're thinking of other things out there, you got to sharpen up a little bit and then you're doing the things that you need to do, and that means a lot of reinforcing and perhaps reminding some of the things that they need to do, and you know, it's a quick conversation. It's not a big meeting. It might be three words after a game. I think most of the players know when they do it, but it doesn't hurt to remind them also afterwards and, you know, verbalize it a little bit and we could do this better. We can do this better. We could do this better. So when you've got a veteran player and he's doing everything that Burnedonovan is doing at the play, and it has been phenomenal, right? And he's been a utility guy that can bounce and play everywhere. When you've got someone like him, Shannon, that is struggling the way he is defensively right now. I mean, he's really struggling to throw and execute there. How much do you like? Okay, we're going to just persevere. Here's the data. It's not great, but we're going to keep working. We're going to keep working and we're going to keep working or you know what, maybe let's get him comfortable in one of the other spots that he has had a lot more reps and a lot more success. And how do you think he's going to be able to do that? And how do you think he's going to be able to do that? And how do you think he's going to be able to do that in Burnedon? Well, let's be honest. It's a two person conversation. You know, if you're pointing to cold Emerson right now, he's got to be ready. You've got to make sure you checked all the boxes with him. You don't want him to come up and have to go down. You've made that commitment. So that is there. But you also with Brendan Donovan, you made a commitment to him going after him and putting him at third base and yeah, they made it clear to him that he should be able to do that. You know, it's one thing to go into spring training and play third base for 15 games or whatever it was. It's another thing when the regular season starts. You know, it's a different ball game, so you've got to give him a chance to get in there. Get used to game speed, adjust and do all the things that he should be able to do over there and continue to learn. He's a guy. If he makes a mistake out there, you see him right away. You see him anyway doing the work early every day, but if there's something specific, he wants to know right away. If he's not doing it right, he's going to be a little bit more of a dugout. He spends a lot of time next to Perry Hill, and then he spends a lot of time early going out there and maybe working on the smallest intricacies might be a first step. It might be arm strength. It might be. I mean, he has been going over all of it, so I do think that you need to give him some time to see some things that he hasn't seen at real game speed under real conditions in a while. We ask you what the most upsetting thing was so far. What's the most encouraging thing you've seen in a while? I think you've seen him getting a little bit more comfortable and pitching, and it's not just a starting pitching. The bullet has been pretty good, too. Um and that's what you expect to see from the starters, which is good. I think Logan got off to a little bit of a rocky start, but I think that you are seeing him get a little bit more comfortable and where he's at. Ryan Rollinsmith pointed out a good thing. He is somebody that can take longer again when you're talking about regular season. The long lovers. It's one thing if you have a very good feeling about the game, you know, you're not going to see what you need to be. Um but I think that he's going in the right direction, and I think that you know, we're almost nitpicking at some of the things that we are seeing with him, particularly early. But George Kirby wanting the ball and going back out there for Nate Henning last night was absolutely fantastic at just 90 pitches. Emerson Hancock can't wait to see what he does next. You know, it's you've seen good up and down in that rotation, and it just seems like that is something that really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really I'm going to go back to the! I'm going to go back to the hotel. 10 out of 10 on the hotels, both of them. Um, yeah, and I guess you could almost go 10 out of 10 if you work for it on the food. I did not get barbecue this time, but I do love good Texas barbecue. Unfortunately, this is a fast trip, and that's part of it in that. You know, they're home and they go. They leave right away, and he's got a three game in Anaheim, a three game in Texas. Usually there's a day off somewhere. It's just everything has been very rush. It's just like, you know, everything is going to be good. Nothing is quite been normal yet, and I think that that is something that is going to help. But, um, no, I like every you know, anything that's in division is very comfortable for us because that's where we go the most. Um, but to be here, what's been really odd is usually don't start in division. So I saw sunshine before noon for the first time in a long time in Orange County. Usually it's just a little bit of a little bit of a stormy, emotional emotion, which is fantastic. And this is the first time I can ever remember being a little bit cool in Texas because you know, it's been 70 degrees here. So different ugly in person as it is on TV. The field itself. Yeah or the entire everything in there. Yes. But definitely the field just looking at the field on TV in Texas. It I mean, it's just a little bit of a stormy, but it's just a little bit of a stormy field. Well, it looks okay to me. It might be a little bit of a darker green. It definitely gives you some hops. It's got some tricky hops in that field. Um and I am one of a few that actually likes the entire building. I'm a huge fan of the building across the street. The original, um and it's still there, and they're still using it. But let me tell you, it's been absolutely crazy how that area has grown. You go back, I think eight years ago, I was in the Texas live. I was in the Texas live. I was in the Texas live and then the new ballpark here. Loose Hotel went in a couple of years ago. Now I think there are three hotels around the area. The Texas live. I was asking some people, you know, how is this in the off season? There's a destination. People come out Friday and Saturday and Sunday nights to you know, they have concerts at the Texas live and they go out to eat and to drink and man, are we back in spring training? You hear the beeping in the back. We're waiting for the birds to start attacking as well. So that's it. Thank you for the update. I'm going to go back to the rest of the city. Plus go ahead. Thank you for the update this morning. Enjoy the last day of the road trip. We'll see you back home. Appreciate it. You got a guy. All right. There you go. Shannon Dreyer from Jerry's world, right? Maybe that was Jerry himself arriving, probably. It is a nice setup. I've been in there a few times for different football things, and it is a cool around the ballpark. I've never been in that city. Really? I mean, I've been in the airport because everybody's been to the airport. I've been a Texas, but I've never been to Dallas. I think I should probably get out of there. I mean, it's really cool. It's really cool. It's really cool. The stadium is really cool. The feel of the events. It's it's a pretty cool field is hideous on TV, though, Isn't it? It looks like turf. It looks fake. It does. It looks like it's fake grass. It's awful. I don't know. The stadium feels like you're inside of a Costco when you're in there. Yeah, I believe it. I mean, it sort of looks like that. It's so strange because the U. F L team plays in the old baseball stadium. They have events still totally fine. It is totally fine. What is the deal with that? They're just randomly popping up ugly baseball stadiums. What are you talking about? I'm talking about the Red Rocks. Blue 88 Red. Right. Tight. Close Sprint. Left. G. U. Corner halfback. Flat. On one. On one. Ready? Rock. He were tackles three football questions. As only he can. Boo. And yeah. Now here's your host. Brock Heward and Mike. Somebody's asking why we're teasing Shannon about our height. We literally didn't do that. I played little things. No. I said I played all the small letters. If the letters aren't doing well, Small. How dare you bring that up? It's a matter of you. Now I would say my wife has some of this. You know, she's not a tall woman. Not like me. I'm a very tall man. As you know. Rock Question Number one. Burt Brear wrote about John Schneider yesterday about his journaling. Yeah. Uh and more what jumped out to you. I think two elements jumped out to me look at you, Mora, were you ever a, you want quiet? I need to go quiet in the library to study. Not really. I was, I, I loved study at the pool. I loved the quiet of the library. And I actually did spend, I was kind of a nerd back in the day. And I wouldn't have thought that literature and economics were John Schneider's wheelhouse, but they are in this regard, and especially as Burb Rear framed it, really good article he wrote, and I'll quote from it. He said, so this time around the Seahawks, this is comparing the last time after the Super Bowl, how you handle that, how you build versus this time. The look, so this time around, the Seahawks look to players, but positions to and which ones would be tougher to replace than others. He hated seeing Kobe Bryant and took one for the team and went through position change that he didn't initially love from a corner to a safety head elsewhere. He also didn't like losing Super Bowl. And to be Ken Walker, who has grown so much in Seattle, same one for Rick Wollin, a defensive employee, Mafe. That's a challenge. He said, but you know what? In the supply and demand chain, there's more supply of safeties and running backs and corners than there. And even addressers like boy, then there are of what he did last time. And that was sacrificing offensive linemen, trading max hunger that still bothers him that he wrote, wrote, wrote about that. I don't know. I just didn't see. We know that John Schneider and maybe this started with Paul Allen, frankly, because Paul demanded a lot with all of his post game. Hey, give me, give me the post game breakdowns and ways that I can't read it. Can't see it. Can't study it on my own. You give it to me. And he had to do those kind of diagnoses. And I just wonder if that maybe got the ball rolling that. Yeah, he is a guy that likes to journal and have that all. And man, wouldn't that be fun? One day if those things become public, some sort of public material or excerpts. Are you a journal? You don't do that. I'm not a good journal. There've been stretches that I'm decent at it. And I actually do like to write. You know, remember, I was a four time All American Christmas card letter writer. So I don't mind doing that. But not nearly as disciplined as I need to be. All right. Question number two. You also are really good at looking at pictures, Brock, and coming up with observations. I'm sure you spent some time a lot of time on Sam Darnold's wedding pics. I did see the caption zero, but I saw the caption. Did you at least look at the little like 30 second video? No, why not? I didn't care. Really? Wasn't interesting to me. Really? No. I saw the thing that said a big year for rings. I thought that was good. That was pretty good. But that's all I saw. It was spectacular. All right. It was beautiful. They had a nice wedding. It was black tie. Okay. It was Rancho Santa Fe. It was I can't even imagine. So I did ask Molly last night and Molly, take a look at these flowers. Just the flowers on the stage. Yeah. Because we just did this in June, albeit in Calispell, not the cheapest place either, but certainly not Rancho Santa Fe. So I had a little feeling of what the floral just south of LA for those that don't know. I'm sorry. Rancho Santa Fe. I believe it was Rancho Santa Fe. Oh, San Diego. Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah. Sorry. That's more of their. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. Northern San North San Diego. And so what are these flowers got just on Rancho Santa Fe for a while? I think was the top most expensive zip code in the country. Yeah. Certainly in California. Well, this was this was about is done. Like, I mean, everything. Yeah. It was done to the nice flower bill. So what are these little flowers up here? Which by the way, let me just say of all of the expenses of the wedding for Haley, that was the hardest. I couldn't swallow that one. This is a one day deal. What are we doing? The meal, the bar, all of it. Awesome location. Awesome. Awesome. No, love it. Love it. Flowers, the floral bill. So she estimated just the flowers up there at the altar and around it, maybe down the aisle a little bit, 35 grand. And then when I didn't even show her the flowers in the reception glass house area, I mean, wow, and he's got it. He's got plenty of it. Sure. Woo, that was done to the night. Did you see other people there? Oh, Josh Allen. It was cool. It was a representative. Yes, it was a representation since we're talking football and not just wedding bills. It was a really neat kaleidoscope and representation of all the different touch points he had, right? San Francisco and Minnesota players everywhere. He and we know he and Josh are close from the draft process. So that was, yeah, there was definitely a who's who of NFL quarterbacks for sure. All right. Question number three. Since you're here and spending time at UW this week, Rock, did you get to spring practice? I did. I did. But you know what? This is, it had a year three vibe. Year one vibe was who in the heck are we? How many guys from Arizona are coming? How many are leaving? How do we bring these two and assimilate these two cultures together? Year two had, oh, this could be kind of fun. Jonah and Demond and Denzel and like we got some talent, but the schedule is brutal. And how are we going to do this in the big 10 and year three is like, nope. Yep. We know who we are. They got a really clear identity and fish was, he was fired up. The attention to detail was, was really high. If you were to have watched that and, and I know this is so much of what he preaches. It's so much of his messaging and his sales in the recruiting process to be a pro. Like if you were to watch that practice, I can watch 32 other practices. If the NFL did it in pads in spring, like college colleges do, you would not tell, you could not tell the difference of the organization, the field, the tempo, the pace of a college practice versus a pro. There's some places, a lot of places just because of the tempo and the spread system. And yeah, yeah, this is not, this is not pro. That felt looked sensed and had just a attention to detail of a, of a very pro style practice and very much year three for Jed Fish and his crew. Pretty cool. All right. That is today's version of blue 88 man. Was it beautiful? Yes. And man, I don't remember any spring practices when I was at Washington that felt like that that looked 70, I'm sure there were some, but most of them I remember. I mean, this last couple of days have been pretty impressive. Yeah. This has been nice. There's no, no complaining here. So nice. Masters tomorrow. I'm looking at kind of a cool chart here, Brock. You might find this interesting. This is most, most cumulative shots gained on each specific hole at Augusta from 83 through last year. You like my three quarters of today? Yeah, it looks good. Well, in honor of your master's quarter, since I know you went a couple of years is DJ again and where he's going to have some, I'm sure he will have that on. He's going to flex that on us. Which player do you think has the most holes on which they are the best player ever on that hole? Whoa. Whoa. Does that make sense? The question ever like all the way back to Jack. 83 to 2025. That's this is most cumulative shots gained on each hole at Augusta. Tiger would be the first to come to mind. It's not Tiger. Not Tiger. No. Now Tiger has a few holes that he is number one on number 11. Yes. And number 15. Yes. But it's just those two. Okay. It's just 11 and 15. Okay. Second on the list is actually Freddie couples. Number one, number seven, number eight. And there's one more on here. One, seven, eight. Seattle's own Freddie couple. I guess that's it. Just those three. Next, actually the highest. Phil. Yeah. He's not there this year. Nope. Hole two, hole three, hole 10, hole 13. Yeah. And on 13, he is. So I'm just looking at all these. Most of the, of the, most of the holes, cumulative shots gained is somewhere between like 15 and 20. Okay. For the winner, for the person, for Phil on 13, it's almost 50. He is so, if you just look at the chart, look at the green online on Phil on hole 13. Look what he's done there. It's like by far at that is crazy. Well, not going to be there this year. Neither is Tiger. First time in a long time, neither of them will be in. All right. So we're going to, we're going to act. Do we need to do a good job? Act it out. I think we'll have to do it on the show. I'd like to see what it feels like and just how uncomfortable it is. Yeah. I think so. We'll warm it up. We'll see if we can make this happen next. We involve Lyle in it. No, on Brocken Salk.