Chris Berman In Studio And We’re Live From Super Bowl Week In San Francisco

Hey, pardon my take listeners, you can find every episode on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. On today's part of my take, presented by DraftKings, we have Chris Berman to kick off Super Bowl Week, our favorite tradition that we've done. I think this is our fifth year. Chris Berman came on Friday to the studio, had an awesome time with him, talk ball, talk the season over an hour. He's the absolute best. We're going to talk about the Super Bowl because we're here. We've arrived in San Francisco. We got some national sports podcast things to talk about. Maybe a little end of the show. We're going to talk about Max having another flight issue going to the Super Bowl. He's mad at me already, but we are going to talk about that on the anniversary of Two Sotas. Great show though for you. First Monday we've had a long time without football, but we're still going to talk some football. It's all brought to you by our friends at Chevy. 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Very strange sleeping in on Sunday, not having ball to look forward to, but that's okay. It is it's Hank week. I'm pumped for him. I'm excited. I think I'm the number one Hank fan this week. I think I mean, we're locked in in sync right now. We got the bet together on the Patriots. We just got it. Here's my concern. Okay, sure. You my concern, Hank, please. Let's hear the concern. Well, I mean, I got a massive bet on the Patriots. I also put a bet on on Josh Dobbs to win Super Bowl MVP. Nice. Patriot. Past or not big time Patriot. And then my concern that keeps coming up in the back of my head is like, we can't lose this one. Because if we lose this one, that's the most Super Bowl losses of any franchise ever. They'll put us number one. And we can't do that. It would be true. Yeah, would be the LeBron James of the NFL if we lost these these the Super Bowl today. Because we're tied with the Broncos. That's fine. We can't be number one. The Broncos have so wait, what is it? What's the most Super Bowl loss? Yeah, no, I know. I'm just trying to think who else has who else is in the running? Who else is even up there? Bills. Bills. They've got four. Vikings have four. Vikings have four. Yeah. And then Broncos have five and we have five. Okay. It would still be a we're not actually I'm not even going to entertain. Why? Because we're not going to lose. But LeBron is a crazy, crazy comparison. He's well under 500. But he's lost a lot of championships. Same thing. Yeah, but this would make the Patriots 500 overall. Oh, well, that's not winning. No, but LeBron's what it was. I didn't realize that that's actually bad too. That's crazy. You didn't realize that Hank when you said that? Well, two of them that that's that was pre pre Belichick and Brady. This is posted that doesn't count. Those don't count. And this one does this count? This one count because it's not Belichick and Brady though. Yeah, but it's it's the new new era. No, I'm not I'm not I'm not even entertaining that sounds like you entertained it you thought about it. I'm not worried about it. It's also like if you're not worried to be a great team to get to the Super Bowl. So that's just honestly a compliment if anything. So for LeBron when he gets to the finals, he loses way more than he wins. And we're off. No, Hank and I've had a great couple days. We've been in lockstep. We've been having a good time. I've never been more pro Hank than I am now. Okay, we'll talk about the flight later. Yeah, we'll talk about the spy glass after the Berman interview starting the day after the flight me and Hank have been just okay. So let's do so we like I said, we don't have football to talk about. We're going to do, you know, Wednesday and Friday. We'll do big previews. We'll do our proper Palooza. We'll come up with picks, all that stuff. We do have some national sports podcast stuff that we can talk about. One is the Cardinals have hired the other LaFleur Michael LaFleur is now the head coach of the Arizona Cardinals. And it's funny because Mike McDonald, the Seahawks coach is now just in a division with Shanann Tree. It's crazy. He's living in Shanann's tree. I don't know. I mean, obviously you take a job if it's offered to you, but that seems like a not great job to take. I for what reason? Because it's the well, number one, it's the Cardinals. Yeah. Number two, they don't really have a plan at quarterback at all. Number three, every other coach in your division rocks. Yeah, I don't I don't buy into the whole like, don't go to a hard division thing because it's just so everything's up and down like Sean McVeigh could retire next year. You know what I mean? Like Matthew Stafford is going to not play forever. Kyle Shanann looks like he might die. He has a thousand yards stare at all time. So that part, I think you're you're one and two are strong points though, that it is the Cardinals and they don't have an idea what they're going to do a quarterback. I mean, I would say that that it should count for something if the other three coaches are great right now in that division, and then you have to play both those teams twice a year. But I'm saying you don't know what what's going to happen year to year. Like I said, like Sean McVeigh could just he could retire at any moment when you know, Kyle Shanann could like you just never know your I just never buy into the like, Oh, you don't want to take a job because you're scared of the other teams because the NFL is so up and down. Look at the two teams in the Super Bowl this year. There were, you know, 60 and 80 to one to win the Super Bowl. You should be scared though, Big Cat, because now you got another coach head coach in the NFL that's going to be trying to avenge that LaFleur. Another LaFleur. Yeah, another LaFleur. He's just wake up every day thinking how can I beat Ben Johnson and the Bears? I must avenge my brother. I do like that. We have another brother pairing that we can have. It's it's like the we should actually they should if the schedule makers they got to have like, you know, like one of those Saturday in December. But Thanksgiving, the only problem is you can't you need the Lions and the Cowboys. So you can't do the parmots and then little floors. Yeah, the Lions and Cowboys just play each other and then they do the other two. I don't think that's how it works. No, they have to have home games. Yeah. But that was a good idea. We should get a brother matchup every Thanksgiving. Yeah, but it should be but I'm saying like there should be like the Saturday in December, although it's now tough because the Harbos are in opposing conferences. But yeah, we need we need a brother bowl. Have a brother bowl, have have the Grudens on the call. That would be fun. It's just yeah, I hope it works out for him. Seems like a nice guy. He's in that in that group of boy geniuses and the Cardinals haven't really had a lot of success recently. So I got a root for a team like that. Like I want I would like to see Arizona Cardinals fans happy for a season. That'd be cool. Yeah. I mean, all these hires, you're basically just guessing. Yeah. I mean, you know, a lot of them, there's some that you're like, okay, that should work. But there's also times when it should work and it doesn't work and the opposite. Yes. So we also have like it's not official, but Clint Kubiak most likely Raiders head coach. Yep. So looks like there's gonna be the AFC what that'll be that'll be at 10, 10 openings and that'll be the 10th opening that gets filled. Check them all off the list. Check them all off. They're all done. I was surprised Brian Flores didn't get a job. Yeah, although isn't isn't Brian Flores we can we can we can segue with it. But isn't he in the middle of a coup with he and KOC taking over all control in Minnesota? Yeah. So he's also actively suing the NFL. So there's probably a couple owners that are like, if we had to choose between a guy that has litigation against us right now and a guy that is currently on good terms, not suing the league, we'll probably lean towards the guy that's not suing us. Yeah. So before we talk about the Vikings, Kubiak to the Raiders. So that's another Shanahan tree. The Shanahan tree is just everywhere. It's the best tree. It's the best tree by far. It's the top tree. It just goes everywhere. So both Shanahan tree guys get hired. Although is it McVeigh tree for the floors? No, no, McVeigh is a giant branch on the Shanahan tree. Yeah. It's like touching the ground almost. It looks like it's a second tree technically a branch. And then the LaFluor is come from that branch. Right. And Kubiak is his own tree on the Shanahan or own branch on the Shanahan tree. Yeah. And then Clint getting hired there. Top tree. Shout out to Officer Manager Brett. Yeah. Yeah. Our guy, friends, he was, he told us about Clint Kubiak 10 years ago. He did. Yeah. Yeah. The Kubiaks, they are football guys or football family. Was this like, would this be the 10th anniversary of the other Gary Kubiak winning the Super Bowl? Yeah. Yeah. That's pretty cool. San Francisco. Yeah. It is crazy that we're here 10 years because we're obviously coming up on our 10 year anniversary. By the way, if you see this right in front of us, if you're watching it right now, I'll explain it, but it is the, pardon my book, the cover is out. You can also pre-order it on Amazon now. It's going to be coming out this summer. And pre-orders are very much appreciated because apparently if we get a lot of pre-orders, we're like on our way to maybe being New York Times bestsellers and wouldn't that be hilarious? That'd be very fun. I mean, if we are New York Times bestsellers, it's, it makes no sense. Henry Lockwood, a New York Times bestseller. Think about that. Think about that. Think about that. Yeah. I don't think I'm an author. Well, you wrote a chapter in it. I did write a chapter. So you're definitely part of the book. You're more of an author than you are a reader. Yeah. You've written more words than you've read. That's not true, but I understand. All the boys wrote a, did you write a chapter? Zach? Zach's got the shirt on memes wrote a chapter. We, PFTI wrote multiple chapters, max wrote a chapter about Italian Americans with Mike Florio. It's Zach. Yeah. It's going to be an awesome book. New York Times bestsellers list. We have all of our friends, you know, got interviewed for it long time, the history of the podcast. So please do go, if you're planning on buying it, buy it right now. You can, you can pre-order it on Amazon. Appreciate it very much. But yeah, so that's the, the cover looks good. We got, and turn around. What's the back, what's on the back of your shirt? Is that the back cover? Is that the back cover on a shirt? Same cover. Same cover. Same cover. Same cover both ways. Good spin. Spent around twice. Zach will be wearing this shirt all week. Zach, walk me through that spin you just did. You spun around a full way and then you, you like spun around twice to sit down. Are you a little dizzy? I was just trying to get full from back coverage. We should just be full disclosure that Zach's a little flustered right now because so PFT, Hank and Max have been here since Friday because they, they played spy glass. Memes and I flew in about an hour ago. Zach flew in this morning and we were getting ready to record and in the like 15 minutes we're getting ready to record, Zach may have laid down on a bed and fallen asleep. I did go out. I was just, I was looking at the group chat. I was, I was ready. I was like, here we go. First day of Super Bowl week. It's a big week, maybe the biggest week. Let's do it. I was very excited and then might not be here for a Super week. You're fine. You're fine. Just no more. It's just very funny that it wasn't like a sleep in situation. It was, we landed at three o'clock, we got to the hotel and we're like, all right, we got to record and in like the, I think I said, I got a shower and unpack and in that time frame, you might have laid down for a minute. Terrible timing. We asked him if he fell asleep and he said, I earned it. If you took a nap, he said I fell asleep on the bed. Yeah. Yeah. Totally different. Yeah. I didn't think I, I didn't think I fell asleep. It was more like, you know, like when you just kind of go out for a sec, you're charging up. Might have been charging up. Yeah. At the worst time possible. No, it's fine. It's charged. We're gonna, we're gonna move forward from this. Made a mistake. Day one. We can only go up. Yeah. I'm not, I'm not counting this as a, as a Zach fucking up sleeping in. I just want that. This is more like of a little, it's like a little kind of side, it's like an appetizer of the sleep. I have a question, Big Cat. Yeah. As the leader of no naps, do you put any blame on Hank for Zach's performance napping? Did you nap? No. Okay. Hank did not nap. I was hoping he did. Because I saw Max tweeted yes naps. Well, that's not Max. No, Max. Max. I am pro nap. Okay. Yeah. Max has been napping so much that I've, I, it's actually changed my whole stance on napping because it disgusts me how much he's been asleep. He's been napping. Yeah. Hank did fall asleep for like an hour on the plane. No, we're not charging up. I'm not saying that. It's charging up. Where were were you going to say about Zach Max? I was, how flushed were you when we, when you heard the knock on that door? I didn't, I, I didn't realize you had knocked at first because you should, That was the answer right there. That was, that was the exact answer. But we also realized that if we just podcast wherever Zach is sleeping, we can, we will have you ready to go at all times. Right. Zach. Because we, all we had to do is just walk down the hall, knock, knock, knock, and you're ready to go. We all need a room key. We might have to build him a room in the office. That should never have to be the case for you guys. Zach, you're good though. That wasn't, that does not count as an official sleep. It literally costs us zero. It costs us the time of me walking down the hall and get it and knocking on your door. And it also brought some levity to the room, which is always good. Can't go wrong. We're live. Yes. You know, levity. I can't go wrong. I'm not going to lie to you. I don't know. That's all right. All right. Happiness. Happiness. Like happiness. Yeah. Yeah. That's good to get light. Yeah. Before we were just all laughing at Shane and then you walked in and then we're just all having a good time. Yeah. It's like, Hey, Zach's here. It's awesome. What a week to have a good time. What a week to have a great time. On Hank week. I'm so proud of you. Hank. Hank's been carrying himself like a champion since we arrived here. He's got the, the light house. He's got swag. I love, he's got how many patrons has did you bring? All of them. So I think like six. Yeah. That's a good amount. It's a good amount. Big time swagger. Okay. So other, we start with the Vikings. So yeah, classy gets fired. Yes. The GM for the Vikings. There's been a deep dive by our friend Diana Rossini on the athletic great reporter. Yeah. Does she basically the, the, the crux of the issue is the JJ McCarthy, Sam Darnold thing, which we all kind of figured. Yeah. The also there was a side story that he took two weeks of paternity leave during training camp, which has now become a big debate online. What, what Hank? I, Diana, great reporter. I don't understand why the report basically, he got fired in 2025. The report came out that there was problems or like people didn't like that he took paternity leave two years ago. But the report was like, why is that report only coming out now? If, if, well, it's how it always works with all these like firing, if that was a problem, while they've got, you know, that was such a big problem. Like, I don't think it was a firing problem right. I don't think he got fired because of the paternity leave. He got fired because he picked JJ McCarthy over Sam Darnold. The fact that Sam Darnold is currently playing in the Super Bowl is a problem. Correct. And the report was that the paternity leave thing happened two years ago. 20 or yeah, two and a half years ago, 2023. That was a long time ago. And the sourcing was from like around the league. So it was other GMs that were like, I can't believe this guy has taken paternity leave like at home. What's that all about? But I feel like if you're a GM, do you have to be at practice like every day? I feel like you could do most of your job remotely. Also, isn't being a father the most important job? It is, it is, but I think this is just more, this is one of those arguments that people are going to have online and they're just talking to no one because everyone, I think like, I think everyone can agree being a parent is the most important thing. And like, it's such a blessing and being there for when your child is born and then being there for the woman after the child, all that stuff. But then also you have to realize that everyone in the NFL is a complete psycho and it is not normal to take that much time. And that just is whether you agree with it or disagree with it, it's just what it is. And we had the interview with Mike McDonald saying he sees his son for 30 minutes. They're all psychos. This is what the cost is. The fact is if, if Sam Donald was on the Vikings and they had like made the playoffs to see her had another good season, I don't think anybody was getting fired about the paternity stuff. He's not getting fired for that. I think that when he does get fired, then other people around the league immediately go back to the one thing they know for, which is, yeah, this weirdo took two weeks off work to take care of his wife and newborn child. Correct. Correct. Yeah, so it's like, what a weird guy. It's strictly about him not having Sam Donald on the roster, I think it also could be. I mean, his drafts haven't been good either. Right. His drafts haven't been great. Also, me and Big Cat tried to save Questy's job last year at the Super Bowl at Josh Allen night. I approached Questy. I got introduced to him, walked up. I think the second thing I said to him after introducing myself was you need to bring back Ragnar. The unofficial mascot of the Vikings. His contract demands were very reasonable and you guys kicked him out of town like he was yesterday's trash. And then Big Cat showed up. Big Cat went over to him, introduced himself. And the first thing Big Cat said was you need to bring Ragnar back. No, the first thing I said was, Hey man, I got a business idea for you. Can I lay it on you real quick? Yeah, yeah. And second, second idea was you got to bring Ragnar back. And I think that's the first time he's ever heard of Ragnar. And he heard about it twice in about 45 minutes. And he's still ignored our great advice. We could have saved his job. This is the paternity thing though. I was telling Hank this earlier. This is why I would get a gay GM. Yeah, you don't have to worry about paternity leave. Be very meticulous when he's like studying the bodies going into the combine. You might even like you might not like depending on like his income status, it might be dual income, no kids, right? Don't have to pay him as much. Don't have to pay him as much maybe. Yeah. And then I mean, GM's jobs are just to like, you know, like, let this guy go gossip and be messy. Yeah, like just unleash him on the league. I feel like you'd be, you'd be a good negotiator. It's not a bad idea. It just is funny though, because there's a lot of people online are like, this is ridiculous that he's getting criticized for this. Yes, but that's what the NFL is. The NFL is a ridiculous league. Yeah. These guys are all complete competitive psychos that want to like kill each other and win it all costs and do everything to win the, you know, the Super Bowl. It just is what it is. I like, I don't think it's, it's probably not right, but it just kind of is what it is. I also think it shows a lack of foresight and planning on his part. You're going to have a kid pop one out in May. Yeah, right after, yeah, right after July is July is the time when everyone's off. Have a kid right after the draft. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. My kids were born in off season. That's true. Yeah. If you're a GM at that, listen, Quessie, you could have done it like me at that level. June, May, you just got to know, like, wrap it up from January through July. Yep. Right. Football off season only. My kids were born within a month of each other. May and June. Yeah. Dude, listen, January through July, that's pullout season. Do whatever you want after that. I do think, yeah, he really has, people are focusing on this. If he had had a couple of better drafts and the Sam Darnold, which I still don't disagree with the idea of like drafting the young quarterback that, that, that is still the smart way to team build. It just Sam Darnold won 14 games and J.J. McCarthy got hurt and you didn't know if he was going to be good or not. And like, you made the wrong choice. I mean, JJ was going to start that season that Sam started last year. Correct. And when he got hurt, then it was like, okay, I guess we're going to roll the dice and see if Sam Darnold has anything left in the tag. And everybody was like, no chance he does. Right. And then the major mistake you could say is letting him go this off season. Right. But I do understand you have to see what your, your rookie has. But at the time I was like, why are you getting rid of this guy? Just because you had like two bad games at the end of the season, you're throwing them out. It's like one of those process results. The process is, is not totally unsound in that, you know, building around a rookie quarterback is a, is a kind of a cheat code with the salary cap and everything. It just, the results are that the quarterback that you had that won 14 games is now playing in the Super Bowl and nine was nine. And also not nine sometimes. Sometimes he was JJ. Sometimes he was JJ. Sometimes he was. I think that's the problem is Quessie drafted nine. Yeah. And then sometimes JJ showed up. Also, maybe having Carson Wentz as your backup. Yeah. Because you could have maybe won a couple of games in that stretch with a better backup. That's Daniel Jones was also there. That's probably valid. But it's probably the combo of Daniel Jones leaving, getting out of the building and having a great season till he got hurt. And then Sam Darnold having the best season anyone could ever imagine. Yeah. That makes the nine decision look suspect. Carson Wentz was pretty good, by the way. Cause well, no, no, no, no, no. It was. Did he win some games? How many games did he win? What is his record? How many games did he win? I think he won't play three games. One, two. That was a complete guess. Okay. We're going to fact check that we're going to fact check. I did feel bad for Carson Wentz at the end of his last game. Carson Wentz played without a shield. He lost the Eagles. Okay. So he played five games. He won two. He won two and three. That's not bad. Yeah. It's not bad. So you mistook two and three for two out of three. That's understandable. Yeah. Same thing. Yeah. Numbers are kind of the same. So now Kevin O'Connell is, is they're not hiring a GM tail after the draft. I actually think this is fine. Kevin O'Connell is a really good head coach. And that's the thing about the Vikings too this year is they weren't a bad team. They just had like, they ended up, I think third in the NFC North, nine and eight. Like they were one of those teams. If you look back, you're like, Hey, if we could have a couple of games go differently and, you know, JJ McCarthy maybe doesn't get hurt. They could have been a playoff team. It just kind of all broke poorly for them. And then someone's got to get, someone has to take the blame. And again, the drafts haven't been like premier drafts. But it was weird because they also gave him an extension recently. Yeah. Well, the extensions would be nothing in the NFL. Yeah. But unless it's the Bengals. Usually, yeah. If it's a GM and you give them an extension that usually implies, dude's got some time. But I, yeah, I think, I think it's just power struggle. And also the paternity leave. That's, you know what? I wonder if you, do you think that he knew that they were like, because that would suck if he gets fired. And then he finds out that the entire league was talking about his paternity league leave for two years. Yeah, that would be brutal. I never want to judge in a situation like that because you don't know like what the mom went through. Yeah, no, that stuff behind the scenes. So it could be something where it was like, you know, he was taking care of some serious stuff. But I think that what he needs to do is he needs to just like get a vasectomy and then go talk to when he does. He can reverse it. His next interview. Yeah. Be like, I got snipped. It's not an issue anymore, guaranteed. Yeah. Medically, I'm unable to take paternity leave anymore. I'm pro, by the way, be talked about in this way. No, where are you shaking your head? What is yelling about? I just told him to stop me. He just keeps your 80 days all time. He's Hank. It's Hank. We just keep moving the mic. That's okay. It's Hank week. Also, we had Todd Munkin show up in the most like Tim Duncan Cole's outfit of all time, which I actually, I know this is stupid, but we're a stupid show. I mean, it was like, I think it's going to work for Todd Munkin. Just because it's a fit. Because how frumpy he looks. Yeah. I think that like, you'd much rather have a coach show up in that than Mike McDaniel walking out in his nice suit. In Cleveland, especially. Cleveland, you got to just like, let's go to work. I got a question for Hank on Hank week. Yes, 50. Hank, do you think that you're going to get invited to Bill Belichick's fuck you Hall of Fame bash? I hope so. It looks awesome. Where is this happening? I think details are still still to come. But apparently Tom Brady, Jimmy Johnson, Bill Parcells, and others who were planning on attending Bill's Hall of Fame induction ceremony, Canton got invited, also invited will be many of the outspoken supporters from the wake of Belichick's Hall of Fame snub. That's you, Hank. That's you. I hope so. I would love to go. I would clear my schedule. Yeah. Yeah. You would, you would clear your full schedule. Which I got nothing. I got to do it early August. Your full schedule. Yeah. Whatever. Whatever it takes. Yep. Defend the wall. We also had Max, you got an OC, but you might have lost your DC. So you got Sean Manion, but Vic Fangio is saying he might retire. I think people are confident that he will be back for next year. Okay. Okay. I think he's going to do a one last go at it. Okay. Congrats on Sean Manion. Sean Manion. Oh my, always my guy. I love that guy. And we got the, and we got Grizzard. Yeah. You got Chris Grizzard. Yeah. Who he was on your radar. He was on the radar for sure. I love that guy. I'll die for that guy. Always was my guy. I feel like every other job has been, Declan Doyle went to Baltimore. Yeah. So the Bears lost Declan Doyle. This is, I mean, it was going to, like he was either going to come back for one year or, you know, leave this year, but it doesn't really matter because Ben Johnson calls the plays. It's, it's kind of like the Sean McFay set up where the best thing that could happen is your coach is good enough that basically the job of OC is just a launching pad for being a head coach. Yep. Yep. That's kind of what happened to Declan Doyle. I mean, he was a nothing, no name. And then, you know, he's now the offensive coordinator calling plays for the Ravens. And it sounds like Kingsbury might be going to New York. Ooh. He's the guy that, that Harbaugh is looking on bringing in there for the Giants. You got to be so happy that you wrapped up David Blau first. So happy. So happy. All this chaos. I wouldn't say wrapped him up. I won the Blau sweepstakes. That's true. The Blauer Ball. That's true. That's true. Max, you're pumped about, it's Kate's cousin, right? Sean Manion. Yep. Pretty cool. Pretty cool. Pretty cool. Pretty cool. Exactly. No. No. Same last night. That was the East like, well, the way, not many people are going to even know what we're talking about. The weather is so matter of every yep. Yep. Yep. I don't think people know Kate's last night. Yeah. No. No. That's not what would have been cool. Yeah. It would have been awesome. Okay. Other national sports podcast topics. Paul George did drugs. Yeah. Allegedly. Max. Mental health is real. Mental health is real. What did he do? What did he get? I don't know. No one knows. I don't know. But I'm pretty sure you're allowed to smoke weed. So it's not what he was working on his mental health and he took a prescription or any, I don't know if he said prescription or substance that he shouldn't have taken. Okay. Okay. So he was like, he wanted to get mushrooms. Huh? Like where? I don't think they test for mushrooms. Do they? I don't know. I don't understand. I don't think there's, I think the drug tests in the NBA, I think they're pretty lax about like recreational. I gotta be honest. I didn't know that the NBA tested for drugs. I just, well, there's performance enhancing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And, but this doesn't seem like performance enhancing drugs. It seems like something else. Recreational. Got it. I don't know. That's maybe I'm wrong, but from what I gathered from his statement, it did not feel that way. $11 million is what it costs him. That sucks. That sucks. My concern is like, is he going to podcast while he's on suspension? He doesn't podcast anymore anyway. Yeah, but he should get back into it. If he did one podcast, I could tell all that would that would do numbers. Yeah. There also was the quote that resurfaced from last year when Paul George was asked if there was any wisdom to pass on to him, B, to help during his process getting back to himself. And he said drugs help. Those are separate, those are separate things. He might have been talking about medical drugs. He could have been talking about anything. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. And he might have actually said hugs. We don't know. He could have said hugs help. He'll be back for the playoffs. He'll be back for the playoffs. He's got, he'll be back 10 games before the end of the regular season. Playoff, PCP. So enough time to get himself going and make a playoff push. What other stories, I mean, we had, I don't, we're a joke podcast. We don't get into serious topics, but like, feels like a lot of NFL owners were emailing with Jeffrey Epstein. It does. It's crazy. Memes you want to go first? Yeah. It was it all of, all the reporters go silent when the Jets owner pops up in the emails. What do you mean? They write all about all the dysfunction and then all of a sudden he's in some emails, no reports. So, but where did we hear this news? We heard it on the news, right? But a lot of it was, yeah, Tish was the, was the headliner of the emails. Tish was a bad one. Tish was bad. Pretty incriminating when he's like, is this girl going to be a pro or civilian? Yeah. When you're referring to non-sex working women as being civilians. Very, very bad. You've gone pretty far down that hole. We had Josh Harris who we already knew was, we already had heard that. Yeah. So, and he's more of a Sixers owner than a, yeah. In this kind, most of the headlines I saw was Philadelphia 76ers owner Josh Harris. And so, I thought you already fought this battle and I'm, you're doing that. You're doing the Josh Harris battle. Yeah. Yeah. He's got that. You got that. I'll do it. So, Philadelphia 76ers owner Josh Harris. I've actually looked into this because I'm not a stranger to having an owner that I hate. I'm not afraid to be like, hey, fuck this guy. I'm anti everything about the Washington commander's owner. I've been down that road. I fought that battle. I'll do it again. So, I did, I did actually look into it and it kind of confirmed what I'd already read, which was he was the founder of Apollo, the Apollo financing group with Leon Black. Leon Black is deep into the Epstein universe. Josh Harris actually got Leon Black fired, kicked out because of his relationship with Epstein. Got it. Told him to move on. And then Leon Black was like trying to get Josh Harris to meet with Epstein to hire him. And Josh Harris was like, fuck no, absolutely not. I'm not hiring Jeffrey Epstein because that was after his first conviction back in like 2007. Got it. 2006. So, I feel good about Philadelphia 76ers owner Josh Harris' position in all this because it does seem like he did the right thing, I think. I am also open to changing my stance as the story develops. So, we're going to wait for all the facts. We're going to wait for all the facts and then Bob Kraft was also in a couple of emails. A lot of powerful people in those emails. Did you, am I breaking the news to you right now? Kind of. What exactly did he say? I don't know. So, I know Robert Kraft wasn't, I didn't see anything about Robert Kraft. His name was in the emails. Because when Robert Kraft got arrested after he got jacked off at that massage parlor after the AFC Championship game or right before the AFC Championship game, his name was in the news because it was like, wow, New England Patriots owner Robert Kraft got jacked off in a massage parlor. And then Jeffrey Epstein was talking to people behind the scenes about how to strategize his legal defense for getting jacked off in a massage parlor, which Robert Kraft did. So, he wasn't, yeah. So, he's basically not even, just his name. Yeah. His only crime was getting jacked off in a massage parlor. Yeah. Right. Who amongst us? Right. The Tish one though. I don't know how he stays owner. Tish gotta go. Tish gotta go. Okay. So, yeah, but it was, it was, whenever it was Thursday or Friday and then it was just like, oh yeah, here's another NFL owner. Here's another NFL owner. It's quite something. It's not good. No, no, the whole story is not good. I think we could say we disavow. Disavow. Also, I'm starting to think this Jeffrey Epstein guy was a bad guy. Massive. Got kicked off Xbox. Yeah, that's right. Zach, any thoughts on that? You don't want, you can't have guys like that on the servers. Right. He's gotta go. Yeah. Right. Right. Right. Bad guy's gotta go. Massive credit to Jerry Jones for not being in these files. Yeah. That was a surprise. Yeah, there was a couple. Yes. Surprise. Good for him. Oh, shit. Dan Snyder. Dan Snyder. Not in the files. Not there yet. Yes. Yeah. Okay. Any other, what other national sports podcast topics do we have? We had a good, good Saturday at College Hoops. Did you see Rick Barnes that he was like, I wonder sometimes if my players are, are betting against us with some of their passes? That was kind of weird. That is very strange for him. I'm going to pull up the exact quote because I don't want to misquote it. I thought sometimes I wonder if my guys are betting on games. Yeah. That's never a good quote. Yeah, not good. No. Credit to Kentucky. Great game. Yes. Against Arkansas. Yes. To his game of the year. Kentucky beat him outright. There were six and a half point underdogs. Revenge. Revenge for that. Also, one more type of competitive sports, professional sports and the Epstein thing. He was allegedly supplying Adderall to bridge tournaments. Oh, yeah. Yeah. How about that? Bill Gates was like hitting him up, Jonesing being like, Hey, I got a massive bridge tournament. I need that Adderall. Bill Gates did not have a good weekend. Not a good weekend for old Billy Gates. Bad week. Who won? How did Brooks end up doing? I saw he shot one off the cart path. Yeah. That was cool. Made the cut. I think he finished around like 55th or 60th. Okay. Something. Listen, Brooks, if you look back at your student of history as we are, his first win on the Tour Hank, you know this, at the Waste Management Open, right before Seahawks Patriots Super Bowl. Wow. Okay. So next week. This is his week. This is upcoming week. Is it Thursday Waste Management? Yeah. This Thursday. This is Brooks. It's Brooks and Hank Week. Believe in Brooks. How are you feeling with Hank Week? I'm excited. I mean, this is, Super Bowl Week is always fun. It's always one of my favorite weeks of the year. It is our 10th, actually 11th Super Bowl that we've been to. This is a 10-year anniversary. 10 years ago we were in San Francisco. Yeah, but we didn't have a show. No, but we, like collectively. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yes, yes. That's what you were saying. It is the most fun week of the year, but it's so different when your team's in it. I just want to fast forward to Sunday. It's fun being around the guys, being in San Francisco, doing all this stuff. You want us out of here. You want us gone. I'm so ready for Sunday. You want us gone. The narratives, the nonsense, the blah, blah, blah. The nonsense is really what gets me. The nonsense, the blah, blah, blah. Yeah, people are making up photo shops. They're trying to create false narratives. Jets fans are making up rumors that are not football related about Drake. It's nonsense. It's absolute nonsense. It's rubbish. What are you referring to? It's fake. This is all fake. So I feel, I shouldn't even be pushing, I shouldn't even mention it on this podcast. There's photo shops that are made that make Drake May look like a bit like not good, but it's photo shops. Oh, thanks for not bringing it up on the podcast. Yeah. Did you do that? I mean, we talked about fake news before with the Vikings and Racini. I mean, we could talk about fake news here. It seems like you really shoehorned in that dig at Racini. Yeah, I was out of nowhere. He's just been thinking about it the whole time. The, is his shoulder okay? Shoulders great. Are you going to go doctor mode on this? No, because his shoulder is fine. He's at the send off rally today. He has arm raised, thumbs up. Looks very comfortable. Looks so comfortable. I just want to see Dr. Hank. You know I'm not a doctor. I know, but that's the whole point. You said the fake doctors on Twitter, I want you to change your Twitter profile to you in a lab coat and then just start firing at people and be like, Hey, his shoulder is fine. It is fine. I know, but I want to hear it from Dr. Hank. I don't, I don't, okay. I could do that, but his shoulder is fine. Do you think he's going to play on Sunday? I do. Okay. That's that's that's someone asking who might have put a bet on Josh jobs. Josh jobs in great value. Listen, I'm rooting for the Patriots. Okay, whoever that is, and I saw value on one of our guys, what's more, what's more patriot way than, than taking a chance on a backup quarterback and having him win a Super Bowl. I'm down. I just want to win the game. Yeah, I'm down. I'm saying, yeah, just let's just bring me is playing and he's going to light it up. Do you think Dave will invite me to the game as a Pats fan? I don't think so. He did say he did text me the other day and he was like, I've been watching your takes from afar. Very ominous, very ominous take. Well, gas is probably been sending it. That's what that means. Yeah, like gas sends the low lights, but he doesn't send all the times I've been right about the Patriots. Such as many times, you should have just replied and been like, you're welcome for the third and sixth keeper. Yeah. Listen, I'm trying to help us win. I've never put a bet. This is four times the amount of my most expensive bet that I've ever made in my life. And it's on the Patriots. The old saying is put your money where your mouth is, you can see where my money's at right now. It's public. Go Pats go. Are you going to bet the Patriots as well? I have a future. I have an 80 to one future. Oh, shit. Yeah. Damn. Yeah. 300 to win like 25k. Wow. That's crazy. So I'm financially, I'm already no hedge. I got a lot in hell no. All right. I like that. Yeah, ask people. People always ask. No, we talked about the other day. I could have already hedged. I could hedge in multiple ways. I'm not hedging. You knew the real winner this week is Josh McCown. You know, Josh McCown was like the quarterback teacher for both these guys. Oh, he was like their guru for both Drake May and Sam Darnold. Josh McCown, very good backup court. Well, and starting quarterback. And starting quarterback. Yeah. And great hair and awesome guy. Great dude. Really, really good dude. Yep. Okay, before we do who's back the week actually PFT you want to do twisted T here? Sure. Yeah, I love twisted T. I'd love to do twisted T anytime. It's always a good time for twisted T. You know that. What's your ideal big game with twisted T look like to you? I think I got to, I got to start with a half and half and then peach second, original third and then probably back to half and half for the fourth quarter. Put your forwards up. Twisted T is a refreshing hard iced tea. It's made with real brewed tea, five percent alcohol. Twisted T is the ultimate drink to pair with the biggest game of the football season. Whether you're hanging out at a friend's house, catching the game at the stadium or at the bar or day drinking friends. Twisted T is there to turn your big game day up a notch and make a good time a great time. Grab a refreshing twisted T today. Okay, who's back the week? Hank. Oh, my who's back the week is Alcatraz. Yeah. Yeah. The rock. The rock. We're in San Francisco and Carlos Alcaraz. Oh, that was actually my who's back the week was. Joke of it is incredible comeback against center. That was and then I don't I don't know what happened for the rap. Have they finished the tournament yet? They have Alcatraz. I don't think they have. It's Alcatraz week. What about those that say Alcatraz, he hams up his injuries and he gets time to recover during matches that no other player would get. I'd like to say that. Yeah, what about guys like that? Yeah, well guys like me. I mean Joker, he just a fact that he made it to the final proves he's well that's Patriots mentality. It doesn't matter if you want to lose. Like oh, it's a great accomplishment to make the championship. Not always. Did you watch? No, I was I was I was I didn't get to nap. We'll get to the end but I was running on zero. By the way, can I clean something up here? Hank is absolutely allowed to nap. Yeah, you can nap if you want. Now right now. No one's no one's asking you to nap. We were literally I was saying, please nap. So stop saying that we weren't allowing you to nap. No, it's not you. It's coach. You said he runs a tight ship. He did say that and I do run a tight ship. Nothing good comes from Hank. Don't do it. Oh, I might I randomly woke up at 2 30 in the morning last night during the first set. I think it was just like my body is so in tune with Jo Kovic. I went immediately right back to bed. But I did wake up. I looked at my phone saw he had won the first set said job done job finished. We got this. Oh, oh, when I woke up, job was not finished. He got smoked. Oh, also the we might be taking a field trip to Alcatraz. I'm not sure but the it doesn't seem like it's that far away from from land. Yeah, but the tides dude that for the current you can't swim. It's really cold water and shark sharks. Lots of sharks. You want to try to swim it? It doesn't seem it didn't seem that crazy. So it's pretty crazy. People have swam swam it before like if you're a trained swimmer, you can do it. Yeah, they do with like wetsuits and shit. Yeah, and usually like a boat next to you. But if you're a prisoner, and then you try to leave the shark smell that I think the current will take you like there's that many sharks in the bay. Yeah, and the current will take you like past the Golden Gate Bridge. Like you'll just be gone out to sea. What if you just pick the right time? Then you then you make it free and clear. Yeah, that's what Sean Conner did. Winners go home and fuck the prom queen. You should just get in that water. Wulmak get in the water. I'll take a dip. I don't care. Okay, with the sharks. I have a take. Are there really sharks in the fucking bay? Yes, everyone. Who's a sharks? I'm wearing I'm literally the name of the hockey team. See this shark right here. See this orange tie dye shark. That's what they look like. Everyone's got kayaks and McCovey Cove. Great counterpoint. Yeah, that's a Cove. All right, I'm looking up right now. How many sharks alcatraz? Well, San Francisco Bay is home to over a dozen shark species, including the common five foot leopard shark. There's no specific static number of sharks surrounding alcatraz. Great white sharks sightings are rare but documented with about five individuals recorded entering the bay over a two year period. So at least five great white sharks. Yeah, but guess what? It's the ones that you don't see. Yeah, those are the ones you got to be afraid of. Shark infested. Oh, shit. The shark infested reputation is largely a myth. Shit. Cold water, strong currents and fatigue are far greater risks to swimmers than sharks. Yeah, but that you're you're that's a normal person. The imagine the adrenaline you'd have if you escaped alcatraz. You could that could carry you through to the other side. Also just ride the current pick your spots. Sevengill, soup fin, spiny dogfish. Those you can just punch those in the nose. You think so? I'd punch a shark in the nose. Listen on Hank week. I trust Hank. Just ride the current. Yeah, the base lowers saline makes it less hospitable for the large open ocean sharks. So there's really no sharks. Yeah, I have a that that current dude that you want me to do how bad is current? I mean, I it's I've been in the current we all know what currents are like. This one's gnarly though. Ready to go kind of in the in between time and you're good. It's not that bad. Oh, I google the wrong thing. Never mind. Sometimes it's hard. Sometimes you Google the wrong thing during the show. Yeah, that's true. Max look up. Can you swing real quick? How I would take about the bridge some of the strongest and most challenging in the world. Yeah, often described as a river that can sweep swimmers miles off course, water in the bay features fast changing tides temperatures from 50 to 60 degrees and high choppy three foot waves that can cause severe undertow. Undertow is a problem. I feel like look at this dude. Look at that. Look at the currents. They're going crazy. Yeah, but they don't they don't if you're scape alcatraz you just have to end up on land eventually. Death by current might be worse than death by sharp bite. Also. Yeah, true. It wasn't wasn't like not even that like how long was it alcatraz? It was like 50 60 years. Was it in operation? I don't know. I don't think it's not like I think it's kind of they should apologize a little bit. It's too expensive to like keep shipping people out. Guards have to like go back to land back and forth supplies have to be boated in. All right, the longest serving prisoner alcatraz was Alvin Creepy Carpus a notorious depression error gangster who spent 26 years on the island. So at least 26 years. But that's also you got to remember it's like 100 years ago. People didn't even know how to swim that. That's true. Like they didn't do swimming lessons. But what do you call it? Evolution global warming the tides might not have been as bad back then. Yeah, that's a good point. I gotta get up. I gotta get my Alcatraz facts going. Where'd you go? We should we should figure out some more alcatraz facts. Someone tell us. I got I got some alcatraz facts. Land a bio. All right. Yeah. So so it was only a prison from it was only a prison for 29 years. 1934 to 1963. So it kind of feels like Alcatraz might be I think it's because Al Capone was there. Like it's mythologized a little bit. It also got a great name. Alcatraz is a fantastic great prison. Great. And the fact that it's like the most visible island from the Golden Gate Bridge. Yeah. Like that would have been kind of electric driving over the bridge and just being like, there's the prison down there. You're like, that's such a great tool for scaring kids. Every time you see that, you're like, if you're bad, we're going to send you there. Right. That's where you'll go and we'll never see you again. Oh, you're swimming back. Unless you swim back, just ride the current. Tell what does ride the current mean? What do you mean? It's like you're in the Lazy River. Yeah, like riding the current. Oh, so it sounds like it'd be super refreshing to escape from Alcatraz. You just go up on your back, ride the current undertow is a problem. I will say that. So I have some fun facts on Alcatraz because we did an episode on Macrodosing on them 12 months ago. There was no death row on Alcatraz. They may seem like a badass place, but actually nobody was on death row there. Al Capone learned how to play the banjo and he played in the inmate band. That's awesome. That's pretty cool. At Alcatraz. They never filled it to capacity. Nobody ever escaped. More exclusive that way. Smart. Yeah. They never had any escapees, but there was one person that tried to escape that they never recovered the body. So he might have actually escaped. Right now, I just googled and said, 13 to 15 prisoners are confirmed or presumed to have died during escape attempts. Yeah. They shot some. They shot some others drowned. Couple drowned. But some one guy they never found his body. People would request transfers to Alcatraz because the food there was so good. So other prisoners like in Leavenworth be like, get me out of Kansas, send me out to San Francisco. The food is apparently banging. And yeah, it was shut down because it was too expensive. And Sean Connery was there. And Sean Connery. Yeah. Also the bird man of Alcatraz actually didn't have any birds. Common misconception. I didn't know there was a bird man of Alcatraz. But now I do. Oh yeah. And he was birdless. He was birdless. Alcabona on a banjo is that's awesome. Yeah. It is. It's really cool. Very cool. Okay. That was good. That was talking to us. Yeah. Who's back. PFT. My who's back of the week is kindness. Oh, kindness is back. This also broke after we got done recording on Thursday. But Schefter had some major scoophage. The NFL officially appointed influential storyteller Dar man as its first ever chief kindness officer and creator of the week for Super Bowl LX. And this guy is YouTuber, like a scam artist. He's a three time felon. Five time felon. Yeah. But but his felonies are for weed. I asked this only because I saw a bunch of people. He got caught five times. It was probably the same thing. He he so he got he got made kindness officer. And then all the entire reaction was this guy's a scam artist. If you're this guy, why would you ever accept this? So you know, like you can't go you can't take a position like this knowing that most people are gonna be like, dude, this guy's full of shit. I think the chief kindness officer thing. And by the way, we've named memes chief kindness officer a part of my take. Love that. So congrats memes. Memes. Would you like to give a speech or anything? I'm fired up about it. I'll be saying one nice thing to you guys every day. Wow. Except that's fair. What do you say? Except for Hank? Hank doesn't get a kind thing. Nope. memes when we got off there. The the plan today was just like, I'm just gonna sit in my room all week. Okay, that's good. I think what this guy's gonna do is this is a D's not show. No, no, this is I don't. It's just deep inside banter with boys from past two days. Nice. Shane is going to we got a new franchise. We'll get we'll get it. Okay, it's about Shane. It's about Shane. But I think this Dar man guy and Max, your big fan of his right? I don't know the right answer. This was one of those situations. I was very happy that I did not know who this person I don't know. I don't know anything. So I don't know. I feel like you want me to say yes. Yeah, but it was there are certain times when someone comes up and it's like I heard their name, but I don't know what the I had no idea this person existed. I think he took the gig because JB smooth turned down. Also, this sounds like a big time JB smooth type role, where they're going to be like, this is chief kindness officer, Dar man, and it's going to be like a funny thing about the NFL trying to be too kind. Yeah, they're going to try to make it like it. I don't think that there's actually a chief kindness initiative in the game. Dave. Yeah, that would have been awesome. Yeah. You would have embraced it. 0% weed relation to the felonies. He uses real estate company to fraudulently pocket more than $44,000 from city redevelopment grants. That sounds bad. Yeah, that's right. Disavow. Yeah, disavow. It had nothing to do with weed. I thought it had something to do with weed. I read his Wikipedia after he was he tried to create. I think it was when the we work shit was happening, he tried to create we grow. Oh, so it's so he took like city grants to build a drug empire. He was it was like we we yeah, what if we did we work which famously went so well and did did it for weed? That sounds like the business pitch that he did like come just communal farms. Yeah, or something like that. Yeah, I did very little research like you want to come grow some of your weed at my house. Yeah. Are we the are we the most lightly researched podcast? Yeah, out there. Oh, yeah. We're the opposite of Pablo finds out. Yeah, where the we're we're pardon my take finds doesn't really care if we find out or not. Yeah, we find in. Yeah, we we'll loosely Google something. Yeah, and sometimes get that wrong. I did Google the Josh Harris story for a solid five minutes. And I think I got to the bottom of that one. Yeah. But again, we'll let the other members of the Sixers front office figure that one out. Okay, my who's back the week is Janus because this is the week boys. It is NBA trade deadline week. It could be it could be it could not be but it but I it's more of a reminder that who's back the NBA trade deadline. I can't believe they do it every year during the Super Bowl. It makes no sense. But it could be Janus week. What is what has Shams been doing like the most recent post that he had about it? Just say he's demanding a trade. Yeah, enough of this like Janus would be open to finding other teams that are interested in collaborative effort on a basketball championship. He's like couching in so much shit just be like, Janus has decided that he would like to be traded. He's asked the front office for a trade. Yeah, don't don't say it like go half ass with it anymore. Dude, I think he might go actually to Golden State. Did you see though the most recent on the DraftKings Sportsbook our good friends DraftKings Sportsbook the most recent update as of a couple hours ago. The favorite is the box at plus 125. Second is Chicago Bulls a plus three 10. Whoa. And I think that's probably just Mikey Betts betting it over and over who out what are the other ones? Warriors plus 400. That's what I think is going to happen. Yeah. There's been I mean the rumors of him to the Bulls have always kind of been there being like I this idea that he loves Milwaukee so much that he's not going to he's going to stay living in Milwaukee and commute. Yeah, which he could do but it would be the most ridiculous thing ever. So yeah, those have been rumors before I would highly highly doubt that that would happen but it would be awesome. That would be very funny. Yeah, stayed in Milwaukee. He was like, I just love the city too much. I would never turn my back on the city of Milwaukee. So that's why I'm going to be living in my house and still playing for the Bulls JJ Redick when he JJ Redick lived across the street from me in Brooklyn when he played for the Sixers. Yeah, he did. So this could be Yonis week could be Yonis week. It'll be Yonis week. Are you do you think it's going to be Yonis week? I think it's going to stay with the box. I it'd be fun just because we're here if you went to the Warriors but I would prefer him go to the Bulls and even more fun. That would be very fun. It'd be very, very fun. Okay, Zach, I think you have two who's back of the weeks and I want to hear both of them. Give us your backup one and then give us the one that you came here with before you slept in, which again you slept in at 5 p.m. Which is absolutely abysmal. So, so, so things are moving about about a thousand miles an hour when we do this podcast earlier. I didn't have a backup one. So I just got to stand on the one that I Oh, you only have one. I only had the one. I didn't get to the I was gonna I didn't want to be on the phone while we were doing that's fair. It would be disrespectful. I was on the phone the entire time we were podcasting things are moving quick things are moving fast. So I did you need water? You need water? I think I'll take a sip. Okay. All right. So Zach has one who's back week. Can I make one request? Uh, yeah, you may. I know all the feel for me all the requests. I can do it. You're who's back week can't be about video games. Can't be about video games. Uh, aren't cooked. It can be about video games. Go ahead. Who's back week was gonna be land setups is gonna be land land setups because speak slowly because I don't know what that is. So land setup is like a condense. What is the land stamp or actually don't know the answer the acronym. I'm I don't know how acronym breaks down. I just means it knows like it means like in person like I like physically set up live action network. Pardon my take finds out. We'll never find out. We just like to leave some things a mystery live action network or that's the local area area network. Oh, that makes way. Okay. So we're getting land setups. So guys are ripping on land setups. Uh, the virtual world became the physical world because we have a competitive call duty back on back on land for the first time in Dallas, Texas this week. Okay. And how to go. Shout out Bush. Yeah. Yeah. Bush made it made quite the run in the the challenges tournament this weekend on land. Friday, you know, kind of walk Friday's like the it's open the first it's an open tournament. Right. So you can anyone can like get into the tournament. So the first day is like there's like 100 teams there. So there's like firing games trying to like whittle down the competition towards the smaller end of the bracket. So first day like competition wasn't as difficult kind of walk through Friday. Get to Saturday comes a little more aggressive. Early there's a Saturday there's an early loss. So you knock down the losers bracket. Yep. But they made like a fantastic run through Saturday through Sunday losers bracket. Okay. So leaps they exited Saturday feeling good feeling great. Is anyone following? Yeah, a little bit. Okay. Yeah. Keep going. I'm not on a back track. Anything that was no, no, no, keep going. Okay. So we lost we lost we lost we then we started winning winning winning winning. Oh, it's a double elimination. So they only had one loss that locked them into the losers bracket. Got it. Then we get to Sunday more. Yeah. So then you get to Sunday and then they had so so Optica has a challenge team called the Huntsman they played them first on Saturday or no Sunday Sunday on Sunday they were to defeat them three zero. So that was a great win. It was a fantastic one. They won played project seven and they they defeated them or they beat them three to one. Also huge. No, probably not huge. Good comp but not the I think the husband was great. Comp competition. Got it. Yes, sir. We're just trying to you know, be efficient with comp. I should say competition. No, it's fine. I'm just trying to learn the world. Yeah. Zach, I have a question. What can I do for you? What's your role? What's your role on the bush? What do you do? I would say maybe utility guy. I mean, you're the best utility guy in the world. You're the land man. Oh, like they need anything at the land. You're the man. I think I think Jerry's the land man. Jerry was in the pit. Did you guys see anything from from a pit? He's the pit man. I think Jerry might have might have given some of the players on the other team. They might have they might be leaving the event with trauma. Yeah. I don't know if they're gonna be able to play the same way. I started watching land man by the way as a sidebar. It just should be called dinner fights and death. But go ahead. It's a good show. You went on land man. Yeah. You watch it. I've seen the first season. Yeah. Dinner fights and death feels good. And like rekindled relationships. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's it. Okay. So how did push end up? Second place overall. Oh, second place. They make the grand finals and then they could beat but Saudi say it. Yeah. The Saudis. They got people. Saudis took them out. Yeah. Wait. Is it Saudi back or Saudi actual Saudis? Rocky sports Saudis. But like are the players Saudis? The Saudis. Shit. Saudis took them out. But great placement. You know, second place. 18k prize. What made it the most importantly? Did you have fun? I did. Yes sir. It was a good weekend. I could tell you look like the happiest boy in the world. You almost died though. Took a tumble. I went down. Yeah, it was tough. Yeah. I caught one of the cords and I was going to pull the tables had claws on them and like there's drinks, there's laptops and when I was getting up, I felt like I felt myself catch one of the cords and I was like, I can't take this. So I just stopped and then no momentum. Zach, how are you feeling about your first Super Bowl week? I'm looking forward to a week. Oh, in Dallas with the bush? No, I'm very much so looking forward to the week. Yeah, this is your first Super Bowl. Yeah, I'm super excited. It's fun week. Yeah. A lot of work, but a fun week. Definitely. Let's get all the work. Zach, since you're going to be like just a walking billboard for the book, pardon my book. Everyone go buy it out pre pre order on Amazon. Can you just give like the listeners a pitch? Like why should they buy this book in your words? Just a quick synopsis on me why they want it. What was your chapter about looking up? Zach, pretend that I'm a customer. I'm a book reading member of the US public and I'm strolling past Barnes and Noble or I'm walking. Sell me this book. Yeah, sell me the book. I'm looking for a book to order on Amazon right now. I don't know what to click on. I could get that one or the tennis podcast, the book. Which one am I going to go for and why? So you are in the market for some reading? For a sports podcast book, yes. Sports podcast book specifically? Yeah. I'm interested in this part of my book. Yeah. Okay. What was it about? I'm hearing decade of history. BFT a big hat. Did you write a chapter? I've got a tiny chapter in here about. Mine is Ice Cream Heavy. Oh, I love it. This is, I'm excited to read as well. I'm very happy that you had fun with the bush this weekend. It seemed like a great time. You were in your element. We got to get you streaming, which is coming where we're going to build you the streaming thing in our studio. Are you ready for it? I'm excited for it. You will be a streaming star. You will be a streaming star. Yeah. No, I'm talking about after that. After the 36 hour stream, you streaming video games, you will be a star. We're going to get some good reps. We're going to, we're going to, I'm excited everybody gets together and I entertain the people. Yeah. Agreed. We all agree? I agree. Yeah. Okay. What's wrong? What's wrong, Wax? I have one, I have one question. Oh, okay. There's another video that I noticed from this weekend. Oh no. Is the guy who got hit in the head with the chair? When you landed, when you landed in Dallas, someone was picking you up. Oh yeah. I think they honked at you 32 times before you looked up. There's no context in that video, Max. We're at the airport. Everybody's honking. So many honks though. So I'm, me and Mukher exchanging information via text. He's like, ETA, ETA, I'm sending ETA. Then we're sending photos of signs on where to go out. So I had just taken a photo of my sign to send to him and he told me which sign he was going to be by. Yeah. That was, that was terrible. That's okay. It's okay. It's okay. It's just, we're going to work on awareness. We're doing that. We're fine. We're firing way too much information at the same time. Got it. Too much, too much info can actually be less info. Yeah, information overload. Yeah. That we all suffer from it. That's what we hit. Yeah. Okay. Let's, let's get to our interview with Chris Berman, which was incredible. You good, Zach? Yes, sir. You look like you just ran a marathon. No, no. Okay. I'm good. Okay. You're doing a great job. What a week. And again, I just want to reiterate the, you know the water, the sleeping incident today is not an official documented sleeping incident. It's very officially documented. No, I'm saying, I, it was, yes, it was very documented because it will be on PMTV. I'm saying it's in the, in the, in the discussion last time he slept in, we agreed that it's going to be a seasonal thing. He already hit his quota for Q one. I don't think that today was even close to egregious enough to be on the radar of an official like, how could you do this? This was a side funny. You close your eyes on a bed for like a minute. Yeah. So at, at most it's a verbal discussion. We didn't write you out. It cost us zero, zero minutes, zero minutes of, of, of time wasted. Actually a hundred percent. We hadn't even started anything. We were just sitting here. I don't bust each other's balls. I don't think you realize how close your room is to this room. It was like, Oh, we should get ready to pod. And we're like, Oh, where's Zach? Let me go get Zach. Yeah. Let's go knock on his door. Zach, you could actually just sleep in this room. Yeah. All week if you want. Never miss a pod. Wake you up and pod. No, we got this. We're good boys. You got anything else you do. I'll do it. Okay. So please do go buy the pre-order the book on Amazon. Pardon my book. 10 years apart. My take history with chapters from all of us and the history of the podcast. We talk about everything. Everything that we haven't talked about before publicly at all. Yep. We dove into it. A lot of ups and downs, barcel van talk, everything, COVID and it's, it's going to be a very good book. So please do pre-order it because us being New York Times best sellers would be very, very funny as a clap back whenever someone says we're dumb because we are dumb. I think I would get a tattooed on my body somewhere. Yeah, you know what I would New York Times best selling author. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Chris Berman. Let's do it. Okay. Before we get to Chris Berman back in our studio, we've got the Pepsi zero sugar challenge and memes. You're up first. Pepsi Super Bowl 60 spot brings light to a similar phenomenon of discovery and truth. The Pepsi paradox, the idea that when labels and bias disappear, cola drinkers prefer the taste of Pepsi or phenomenon that blind taste tests have repeatedly proven. Are you ready memes? I'm ready. Okay. You're ready. So we have two cups A and B. You're going to taste them and you're going to tell us which one you like more. I'll go with A. Okay. He's going with that. I'll go alphabetical order. Okay. There we go. Memes and he's drinking it and he's drinking it. We're going to narrate. He's drinking it. Was that good? It's good. So okay. Whenever you hold a microphone up to your mouth in front of a wall like that, I'm reminded of the standup. Yeah. Now he's going for B cup B and what do you think? I liked A better. Okay. A you want to do the reveal? A was Pepsi zero sugar. Let's go memes. Great taste buds in 2025 revival of the Pepsi challenge. 66 of participants agreed. Pepsi zero sugar tastes better than Coke zero sugar. Pepsi wins on taste. Sometimes you have to flip your world upside down to discover what's been right there the entire time you deserve taste. You deserve Pepsi zero sugar. Let your taste decide and try and go try it today. Taste superiority with Pepsi zero sugar. Good job memes. You passed the test. It was easy though, right? Extremely easy. Extremely easy. Pepsi zero sugar tastes that great. So go try a Pepsi zero sugar today. And now here's Chris Berman. Okay. We now welcome on a very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very special guest. You could probably just tell by the laugh there. It's a tradition that we hold near and dear to our heart. It's one of our favorite things we get to do every single year is kind of a pinch. We pinch ourselves because we're like, Hey, remember the time we got to interview Chris Berman? And then it became a yearly Super Bowl week tradition. And here we are. I think this is year four or five, five could be five. I think the first one was before the LA Super Bowl because that's when me and Billy left from 232425. This is five. Yeah. So Chris Berman in studio, the Schwam, our Schwam here to talk some balls, some Super Bowl, some memories. But I have a very important question for you before we start. A little birdie told me that did you sleep on the couch at ESPN on Sunday night because you were just so excited to get the show going? Well, not beforehand. Yes. So first of all, the very, very, very, that's from the Department of redundancy department. Yes. But I threw as many. I think you just broke the record. Well, thank you for that. No, no, never. So we had 17 inches of snow in Connecticut on Sunday. I mean, we've had it. You have it here in Chicago. And a day ahead, I said, you know, it's supposed to go all night and then get worse. And I've never slept in the building. I mean, I'm 11 or 12 miles. Could I make it? Yeah. Yeah. But it was like four degrees after, not 28 as it usually is when it's snowing. Right. Yeah, we have a hotel. I see it, but that's a mile down the road. So I slept on a couch in the executive level. My office is sleeping on like AstroTurf. Yeah. Back might never recover. Yeah. My kids who are your age and happy birthday, fellas. Thank you. 41 and 41. Very, very, very 41. 41. Yeah. And yeah, I wasn't the best sleep I ever had. Yeah. The executive area had a nice coffee curing in the morning and I had it to myself. Wait, so this was Saturday night going into Sunday after the game? No, no, no, no. Did the show. Oh. Prime time after game. Yeah. Because my tape, my book, my book, my book is still a little birdie. He's not very little. He's not very little. Little birdie sometimes get, get it wrong. He's actually kind of fat. Oh, no. So, no, the show's over. It would be, and now your, your car is, is kind of plowed in at 1230. Then what, you know what? I'm going to follow through. I brought a blanket that our kids had, you know, sleepovers like twin blankets when they'd have, you know, ninth grade sleepovers, right? Found in the basement. It was fine. And a little pillow and. I'm shocked that was the first time in 50 years or close to 50 years. I'm a cowboy. I mean, I drive home. I drove home after the tuck game. That might have been the roughest drive because that was, I tell me, getting the car was 230 in the morning. Yeah. Yes. The plows aren't, you know, 230 in the morning. They're not really, they're out there, but so this is the first time I figured in the book, I'll never write and then I'll finish it. It's a story. I'll never write it, but that story's in. Yeah. Yeah. So I don't know about you, but sometimes after a great NFL Sunday, I have a hard time falling asleep. Yeah. Because we do the show on Sunday night afterwards, talk about all the games and I'm all worked up. I just spent all day watching ball and I have a hard time falling asleep. Are you the same way? Absolutely. So I was up anyway. Plus I have a lot of Seattle friends and that's the second game and that game was tremendous as all these, certainly NFC games have been great and not that the others aren't. So I'm up anyway. So next to Seattle, it's two o'clock. I go, you know, I don't know what kind of, I don't think this is the Las Vegas, pull the shade down. It's going to be dark till 9am till I feel like waking up. So I better get to bed about 2 or 230. But so you could make the drive. It's not like you're drowsy. But you know what? Why not? Yeah. It's a first. Yeah. I want to pay you a compliment because I watched your interview with Sam Darnold. You still got it as a journalist. That was a good interview. He completely opened up to you. I feel like we haven't seen that side of Sam. He seemed open, honest, authentic. You guys had a good conversation. I'm curious because I did watch the interview and it was great. If you haven't seen it, go watch it. But I'm curious what you got from him off camera, just about Sam Darnold, how he seems to be right now, where he's at in his life. What did you figure out by, because I'm sure you talked to him for a while. I did. Without the cameras rolling. So what can America learn from what you learned from Sam Darnold? First thing before we got started, I said, can I just say one thing to you? There are a lot of people in New York rooting for you. Parentheses. I didn't say it. Yeah. He got it. Like, he was, it's nice you to say, I said, no, no. I grew up in Chase Stadium. I was eighth grade with a Jetsuit in the Super Bowl. So I can say this. Yeah. Okay. They figured out you're not the problem. Okay. So, but he liked that. But he wasn't full steam ahead. He's enjoying. He's not tormented. Easy to say now that they're where they are, right? But he's not. Oh, God, now this is my Rams. I didn't even, we just talked about the three games and how he, while it was in the interview, the Ernest Jones thing, that's our quarterback. That's our blanking quarterback. You said that after the bad game when Sam threw four, four turnovers. Yeah. And by the way, they almost 60 something yards. They lost 21-19. Yeah. They were that good. A lot of 20 yard drives for touchdowns the defense gave up. Yeah. So Sam, what did I learn about him? I'd met him just a few times through the years. Still, he's a good guy, good, quietly, still confident, but not pap answers, both off and on camera. Sometimes you have to, right? Yeah. Not pap answers. He believes everything that you saw in that interview, he believes that that what's surrounding him, obviously an outstanding defense, but what's surrounding him is all supportive and it's the closest. And I've heard this from, I was at the Seahawks, as you know, last week for a couple of days. That's about as tight a team. There are others. Yeah. They're tight. Offense isn't defense. What do you do? You're special to like, they're very tight. And that stems from the coach, young coach. By the way, we're going to have another one this week. I don't know at what point with him and JSN like, how do you get open? I know it's going to you. You're the only Rashid, Shahid now, but you're the only deep threat. How do you guys do 20 yard passes? You never met each other till the summer or June. Yeah. You'll find that fascinating. Sam never heard a quarterback say it. He's got the best body language of any receiver that I've ever seen. Yeah. Body language. That's usually something said in a singles bar. He goes, no comment. But no, the JSN, I mean, we've been, we've been singing his praises all season long. I thought the interesting thing, and Brady pointed it out during the NFC championship game, the way that he keeps his shoulders level at all times to not tip off the cornerback that, you know, he's like a lot of guys, they'll dip their shoulder before the ball or they're going to make a cut. And then they showed a highlight package. I was like, Oh my God, like this is a nuance that, you know, I know I'm not picking up that he is just his shoulders are flat the entire time. And it's so hard to guard him and figure out which direction he's going because of that. And it's just like in his hands are phenomenal and body control. It's it's a crazy Super Bowl. It's going to be a fun Super Bowl. Like both these teams, you're saying before we're talking like you saw, you went to Patriots practice in October and you didn't think this was going to be, we're going to be sitting here in February talking about them. No, but I could see, I could see a few, I went to one practice, they were kind enough to let me just come and watch on a Thursday. So they were, they'd beaten Buffalo like up there, maybe two weeks before. So this is toward the end of the month. And then you could see, and you could see the intermediate to long intermediate passes from Drake man, it was a rainy, crappy late October day. It was like, darn, he's on it with digs with Hunter Henry with these passes are on. And when you watch the Patriots played on TV, even in October, because with Booger, obviously, we've been on the show many times. I said, Boog, even if the tackles made this three guys standing there, he goes, I noticed the same thing. They're all, they're all around there. Nobody's escaping. They're very, I said to them after I said, whatever it is you're doing, keep doing it. Yeah. So, but as we talked, the Patriots were about 75 or 80 to one and the Seahawks were 60 to one, which in retrospect, they won 10 games the year before. But here's the Rams, here's San Francisco, and here's Philly and just a different season. Yeah, just a crazy season. Well, it started with well, I mean, it, it, it, I'm going to go back to before you were born, four years before. I hadn't said this anywhere. And it's just kind of history in 81, my first real season of being aware, professionally, at ESPN, the Year of the Catch. Okay. So that puts where I'm going. Cincinnati and San Francisco are six and 10. Come on, Bill Wall, Silver, Guy, 50 years old. What the hell does he know? Joe Montana, typical Notre Dame quarterback, won't amount to much. You know, Cincinnati, yeah, they got a big line, Landon and Moon, those are really good. But Kenny Anderson's accurate. Yeah, six and 10. And they both get there. Now, I know Seattle won 10 last year, so I'm kind of disqualifying it a little bit, but still, they're off the charts. Yeah. No one really started following them until that 38, 37 nationally Rams game, like, Oh, we might have to know. Here's what I will say about both teams. You can, we can. Now we've had all year to watch them. In the middle of November, could you name more than six players? The average, hey, I follow football. Name me six Seahawks. Name me six Patriots. Uh, am I right? Yeah. We don't know we do now. Yeah. That's why it's really fascinating. So the season, I did give that good prediction, you guys were kind enough to have me on when they were stupid enough to sign me, you know, so I could make 50 years at ESPN. So thank you. We're gonna be at that party. Yeah, we're gonna be at that party. Yeah, we're having one there. And I said the chiefs and the bills aren't going to play in the playoffs. I don't know why I have no reason. I have turned out to be accurate. Yep. Seven of eight division, division winners are different. One was Philly and they're out right away. That's crazy. Seven of eight were different. The one that was the same was the NFC East, which hasn't had to repeat division winner since what 2004? Yeah, since Andy Reed and early Andy. And yeah, they were bounced right away. 10 coaches openings, including 19 year Mike Tomlin, 18 year John Harbaugh, Sean McDermott, I'm at the playoffs every year. So the AFC is on its ear. You know, Buffalo made it, but no Lamar. I mean, you know, Lamar, no Borough, no, no, my homes, no chiefs. I mean, they're in every Super Bowl. The AFC is on its ear. And as it was in 81 when the Bengals got into the Bengals, really? And it's just different. It's just, it's okay. It's a fun year. It's a very fun year, right? And we've got, you know, the more things change, the more they say the same, same matchup as we had back in, was that in Arizona? Yeah, that was the Seahawks Patriots Super Bowl, the famous March on Lynch, Russell Wilson coach of that team, Bill Belichick in the news this week. I'm curious. I heard I'm curious to hear your thoughts on this because I'm sure you've you've thought it over. You were around Bill for long enough. You've been around football for long enough. What do you think about the Hall of Fame kind of some some of the voting members taking their pound of flesh and saying, we're not going to let you in first ballot, Bill. They look pretty foolish. I mean, I'm a bit look, I'm the emcee there. I don't vote. I'm actually on a committee, but it's a one of those that narrows down 100 to 50 old timers. So I mean, I'm far from at my speech half written for Bill, right? Not that I'm sitting there writing it in January. Don't get me wrong. But two things. One is the obvious by the time the show hits, everybody's spoken like, well, what more would you like him to do? The system I knew a year ago when Mike Holmgren was the coach that they put forward. But the system of, well, there's three players, there's a coach, and there's a contributor, you can only vote for three. So he didn't make it. I go, this doesn't look right. So that's the system before Bill. And I don't know if it was pound of flesh, but 11 people is a lot. It's a lot. That's a lot. Yeah, I understand Willie Mays wasn't unanimous to go in the baseball hall of fame, apples and oranges. I know by the way he got in, you know, but but But it looks, here's what I would say. And we don't know as we speak what the regular, you know, the guys that are. So if I'm a voter and I were one of the 50, not even on bill, but generally. Okay. Who's automatically in? Well, from the player side, Drew Brees, Lyreford, do we really need to discuss them? No, right. Okay, so I could vote for three more of them. Let me think about the other nine or 11 or whatever it is. Do I like Luke Keekley, Tarrell Sugg, Vinay Terry, I mean, we could go on and on. Is it Eli? I mean, okay, but those are good. Now I only got three spots. Okay, so now if I'm a voter in this category, and I have five names, Robert Kraft contributor, Bill Belichick, coach, and then, you know, Roger Craig and is it is it LC and I won't mind forgetting and but the three players, Roger Craig, Elsie Greenwood, I'm spacing for a minute. Okay, well, Belichick's in. So now I only have two spots. Yeah, if I'm a voter, that's the way I do it. Yeah, it's almost a disservice to the guys that do get in. It's going to be a night that is about them, it's a celebration of their careers, and they're all tremendously accomplished players. Ken Anderson, by the way. Ken Anderson. We mentioned him earlier. I knew it. It's like, wait a minute, just said it. Yeah. And to a certain extent, that night that should be about the guys that are getting in is going to be about Bill Belichick not getting in. And they've and that's so that the ramifications are even more than just what are we doing? They look, I don't know how it got out, but it got out. Yeah. And which isn't the point. I mean, we would have found out on that Thursday and that would have taken from the Super Bowl a little bit. So in your opinion, Bill Belichick should be in the hall. Oh, God. Yes. Oh, God. Well, I read just this today on the plane coming in that when Joe Montana, for example, was eligible back to the 81 season below, that's, you know, the only beginning of it. Ira Miller, who's a San Francisco writer, like stands up and you give you present. They don't vote right then and there, but they present. I present Joe Montana and he sat down. That's it. Okay. I present Bill Belichick. Yeah. That's it. Yeah. We have, we need to present other guys because I'm torn. Do I go with right? Ken Anderson, Roger Craig. Do I go with, you know, LC Greenwood craft, but he's bellied? No, you're in. Then what? Yeah. That hasn't come out yet. It's the easiest. Drew Brees and Larry for Cheryl, for example, on the place like that done. Yeah. What, but maybe not. Yeah. Right. I let's hold. I mean, what did they do wrong? Yeah. Nothing. I don't want to burn part of our interview for next year, but next year, ESPN is hosting the Super Bowl. I've heard it. It's going to be on ESPN. Is it a little still mind blowing that? I mean, you've, you, you are the guy who's been there from the whole thing. You've seen the entire rise to, if you, if you went all the way back 45 years ago and said, Hey, Schwam, don't worry in 2027, this little thing in Bristol, Connecticut is going to host the Super Bowl. Would you be like, no, come on, you're crazy. Yeah. Why don't I sleep on a couch last night after a snowstorm? Right. No, chest will be out for all of us because, you know, no, we never thought it, but then eight years in, we got the NFL, which was way ahead of the curve. Now we got Sunday night football in prime time. So that was, oh my God, we got the Pro Bowl. We treated that like the Super Bowl. Yeah. That was the flag football or whatever it is. That was when the Pro Bowl was still good. Well, they played. Yeah. Ronnie Locke give a speech. Yeah. Tie game, 12 minutes to go. The difference then might have been 10,000, maybe 15, winner, loser, 10 minutes to go. He gathered everybody and they played some football. Yeah. We're here. It's an extra 15K, which now, you know, nobody would care. So to answer the question, Kat, I didn't even properly do a little call, shot, a little lock on tour. It took me 10 minutes to do the French. Sorry. You regret. Pardon my French. Yeah. Pardon my French. Very good. Pretty cool. The only thing I can compare it to is when ESPN, and I had nothing to, not acquiring it, but when we got ESPN at the Rose Bowl, and I turned on the TV and I'm home, because it's like a middle of the week that year, wouldn't, and ESPN presents whatever year it was, the Rose Bowl. I went, Oh, we have the Rose Bowl. Yeah. So this will be times whatever. A pretty proud moment for a lot of people whose names you'll never know that helped put the mortar and brick and to allow us to do this. Yeah. It's cool. Imagine is you could never imagine this kind of Super Bowl. We're gonna have the Super Bowl. Yeah. I mean, pretty cool. Now, I'm sure we'll do plenty associated with it. It'll be, you'll be, you'll be hopefully not sick of us by the time we get to September, but very cool. Yeah. Very excited for you guys. That's great. Great time. So you want to talk a little bit about the game? Why not? I heard that there is one. By the way, it is not only happy birthday to you guys, but happy do, do, do, do. Yes. Yes. Commonly known as Groundhog Day. Yes. But on this show, yeah. So that takes us back to our first one, right? Yeah. You guys are from Connecticut. We bring you on the show. I think it was on that day, right? Yeah. We get you. It might have been. Get you on here to get a little pop. Yeah. It's an extra pop. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, it's just sometimes, sometimes, you know, you got a, it's a late night with a snowstorm. Yeah. Great. You're not driving home. Yeah. So, the game, the game coming up. Very excited for this game. Yes. I think the Seahawks seem like they've been the most consistent team. If you look in the macro at this entire season, probably the best week to week, you could, I could hear an argument maybe for the Rams in there, but they beat the Rams. So, they move on. The Patriots, obviously there's a lot of questions, but Mike Varebel, awesome coach, great defense, quarterbacks played well. I actually think Raimondre Stevenson played exceptionally well through these playoffs. He's kind of been a guy that was, you could say he was in, kind of in Varebel's doghouse earlier this season, and he worked his way out of the doghouse. I don't know what to do with this game. I feel like the spread doesn't matter. The Patriots take a money line or don't take them at all. So, what do you see going into it? Well, I agree with Seattle being, early November, I said to people in our room, I think they're the NFC team, even with Philly, we weren't sure Philly was going to go kind of disintegrate or whatever they did. And, and, but then, ooh, the big picture, you know, are they going to win it with Sam? Are they going to win? And I think he's answered that by now. Yep. It doesn't mean anybody can't have a bad game. I mean, hello. Right. That defense, although, if I'm Josh McDaniels, I mean, I have my opinion already, I'm ready to go with it. But twice the Rams ran up a lot of yards and a lot of points twice in Seattle both times. So, you know, when they can't hear that, you know, not to Matthew Stafford, I get it. But, and Sean McVay, I get it. But Josh, man, a quarterback, Drake may who forget, don't forget that he's Sam did to Drake mays in the Super Bowl. So I can't say, well, that means he's going to fumble three more times. I played a clean game in Denver in terrible conditions in second half. So what is it that allowed the Rams to move the Stafford to Pukin, Nukua? I got it. But they have a digs. He goes well to the tight end. They will have some things based on the two Rams game. I just thought of that this morning. Twice. That being said, that defense is the best in football. I understand the Houston defense events. I get it. There you look at the stat sheet for Seattle's defense. Like for example, I look flying in today to remind myself, so Leonard Williams, one tackle, boy, must have had a bad game wrong. He threw three guys over his shoulder so somebody else can make the tackle. Yeah. They are and Coach McDonald is a defensive big guy. I mean, I'm going to use it as young coaches. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Andy Reed, I mean, you know, but and they're all in the same division with Kyle too, Shanahan. I mean, good luck to the New Arizona coach. But whoever that may be, that defense can play much better than they did in the championship game. Let's just leave it at that. Yep. I mean, that's a defense that San Francisco was wounded. We saw twice they allowed San Francisco's three field goals. Yeah. Back to back games. That defense, like the Rams went into Carolina twice late. Yeah. One in the playoffs and one would they lost right in the regular season. And that was Nip and talk. And Seattle held Carolina like nothing. Yeah. So until this game, they they ravaging like nine point. Can New England get to 20? Can they? Yeah. They got a good punt returner as the Seattle like specials are good. The Rams. Who's that? How do I see the game? I would I made the spread five. So that's about what it is. I mean, not that I'm an odds maker, but I I do it so that I would have trouble going either way until I delve into it. And somebody says, well, you got to do something. You're the swammy, you know, and somewhere in the game, there will be a one yard touchdown run by the Seahawks. I don't know by who not to win it won't be to win it that way. Easy. No, we're saving that for the Disney. Yeah. Super Bowl. Yeah. Super Bowl. Yeah. Someone will run Walker will run a one yard run because they have to. Yeah, you got that Super Bowl. So how do I see it? Want to pick a score? Yeah, I want the swammy score. I know you're looking for fives and twos and we go through this. Yeah. This is yeah, I had and we can massage it. 2617. Oh, that's the score six to 17 is a normal. Yeah. 2619. I like to make it enough three or four so that opposite the swami days is no question. Oh, somebody stubbed the toe of the line goes to it's three or four away from the number. That's kind of why I think I've told you this but my like my childhood like realizing it when when it would be the scores and then the little thing would be next to the covering and it like, you know, that aha moment of like, ah, so it's not the the arrows not to next to the winner. It's who's covering. Thank you. We couldn't really say the I know I know I would always say closer than expected. Yeah. Or they might win handily, right? Something like that. That's what I have at the moment. I I know Gonzalez is a hell of a corner and then he's not going to be one on one with with JSN and I mean, they could figure out ways to get JSN. They have so far everywhere. Yeah. Well, it's also so interesting the conference because you have the obviously the weather in in in Denver in that second half. So how do you figure out where the Patriots offense is? And the other thing, when you're talking about the Rams did, you know, down to down, they were going up and down the field. But the final score 31 27 that Tariq won one if they're off the field. And if he doesn't get that penalty, the next place of touchdown, what is is it the Rams don't, you know, got a couple field goals and a couple touchdowns that looks a little different because at that point, that's all they had. And it's like, maybe that's a good thing for the Seahawks that they have the teaching moment. Because that that could if that happened in the Super Bowl, you can't I mean, that's you can't have those. No, that's a good point because it might have been often when the good teams and be a close game. 26 17 is only nice. That would be two or it could be a by six and kick field goal. Sometimes the team that's going to win, let's get it to two scores and it might take 54 minutes to do that. So am I saying that that's what's going to happen? I just think Seattle's but again, the Rams ran okay on the Seahawks and to your point, PFT, you know, both Stevenson and Henderson, like they run. Yeah, they will have a tough time. Not those rookies are good players on the frontline for New England Campbell at the Guard. Leonard Williams, a big man, you know, and the Marcus Lawrence, they're they're pretty good. By the way, a draft pick that no one's taught the two the number one and two by Seattle. Nobody again, two names nobody knows not you don't. Grace Abel, North Dakota State, we're going to pick an offensive lineman. How'd that go? He's great. He's really good for a rookie. Iman Wari. Oh, yeah. Whoa. Whoa, you look at him and he's not six five like Leonard Williams walks in the room and hello. Yep. I mean, he's he's he's big. He's a bigger cat than the big cat, you know, and so Iman Wari is like six two, but he has great posture, which is already envious. And he just looks like he's a large guy. That was a great and that's the Kyle Hamilton type role that Mike had, you know, with Ravens. And he's an interesting here's what I learned from Coach McDonald. And I want to go back to the game 11 years ago, because there's something that I hate at the end of prime time, but I want to go into it and see what you guys think. Coach McDonald said to me and we'll probably get this on this week too. He goes, you know, when they beat the Rams 38 37, he said, I'm just a second year coach, he'll try to figure it out. Which I said, I haven't heard a coach say that at the press conference after the game that essentially made them the one seed and didn't come to Chicago. If that two point conversion doesn't work, they're playing in Chicago and the Rams are home. Yeah, think about that. Yeah, one one play changed the whole thing. Then the Rams went on to Atlanta like, what do you mean we can't win the division? How did that happen? Yeah, we were just so they had their head down and they got beat that two point if they don't get it, the five might have lost in the clock. They got to win three games. We don't know on the road. Yeah. So but he said, also in an interview, he goes, I'm not taking out the book and saying, okay, it's March 23. If you look at section three dash five, we should be here by then. That's not he's let it organically let it let the let it play out if we screw up a little I could have been you know, Sam, for example, we're not hey, don't do that. There may be there may be some things that Tom Brady pointed out and Clint Kubi act like footwork in this but let a rip be smart when you let it rip, not like golf. Part three over water. Whatever you do, don't hit it in the water. Well, now you're just as soon as you say that in the water. Right. So that's just as I'm going on and on the Seahawks. I'm just so high on the John Schneider, the general manager and coach McDonald. He really got that right. I mean, and there are other you know, he and getting Rashid Shahid who changed the Ram 38 37 game and kick return. Yeah, kick return again. Well, that was the punt and then the kick return was the niners. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Honestly, and complete respect for what the Niners accomplish with with they're like in the Alamo against 2000 soldiers. You know what I'm saying? American history makes. Yeah. No basement in the Alamo. Right. Right. So Booger will tell you this is true in the room quietly. The opening kick return. I said the game's over. Yeah. Yeah. Really? I said, Well, do respect to Kyle and Purdy who's played but if that and it wasn't a touchdown. I said if the next scores is Seattle touched that, you know, right 12 seconds were done. Yeah. So and they were and we were talking about it going into that game because you know, COVID we kind of forget everything but the Seahawks had not lost a playoff game in Seattle. It was they were 10 and 0 with fans in the stands. Right. They're 12 and 0 in the last 12. Yeah. And it's like that kickoff comes like, Oh, shit. Shut the door. They're in deep like we forgot about this crowd. Yep. Hard to forget about them. One other thing for New England though. They went up against three real defenses. Yeah. Real top five. And they not that defense is playing defense. I'm sure you guys comment on it like they out defense all three of them. Yeah. Right. I mean, I I understand. Herbert Oh, he didn't have blockers. Well, that's not your defense is full. Right. Houston. Well, the Stroud played not too well ass. I mean, but they had something to do with all that Denver. Oh, here comes the snowstorm. If Sean had kicked a field goal could be 10 nothing with it. But it didn't. They then offensively didn't make the mistake and all they needed was one by stittum. Yeah. One not like five. Right. So that's a New England feather like so. And they get these leads and then Vrable, he relishes having that second half lead where he's like, I'm going to run the ball down your throat. We're just going to put it on the ground, limit mistakes, eat the clock. And then that's Vrables. I think I made this point on I think the last show, but he he reminds me in some ways of Dan Campbell, where I think both guys like to play into the the meathead football guy mentality and the press loves that. Right. Like we love the stories of Vrables putting on the the pads and practice, blooding his lip up head button as guys. But they're both very, very smart coaches. They're both super, super smart when it comes to in game management, not just, you know, how they construct and develop a team. I think that this Vrables being an underdog in the Super Bowl makes him more dangerous than he would be if he was favorite. Very good point. And absolutely. I still can see that the last playoff game when he was Tennessee and he beat Belichick and Brady in in Foxboro and he outruled coach Belichick with something that Belichick had done all by the rulebook. But boy, and I forget what it was. And I thought I was going to watch Bill's head explode when you know, four minutes to go like, I know exactly what he's doing. And he's, he's dead on. And he stole time. Oh, my God. They were taking penalties and the clock wasn't moving. The clock kept moving. He stole time from Belichick. Yeah. No meathead coach there. No, no. This is, it's nice to have just a fresh Super Bowl. So when we make a left hand turn and then you can answer, you know, whatever else we want to go. Vivid memories of that one in Arizona. Arizona always seems to have a really good game, by the way, always, right? I mean, you know, giants and patriots at 18 and chiefs, the intense and oh, yeah, the chiefs. Yeah, just a couple of years ago, they've always had really good games. So I could go into the game because none of you know, I vivid memories, but not about me. Shadow wins. We're not good if they win, however they went one yard run, Russell Wilson rolls out, balls not intercepted, then they run. However, I'm not going back to that. Think of it's only 11 years ago, the history of the game because this is not Oh, if Lombardi had done this, then they would have won eight in a row. This is not that shadow wins. Yeah, they do. Now they've won two in a row. They're the team of the decade. Even though we got four years to go or five, that locker room is not splintered at all. Yeah, believe me. I know. Okay. I mean, they still play offs and won a game and could they have won three? Could they? Yes, have won three in a row. We've seen it. Nobody's done it, but they would have, would have been up for that. And then New England's narrative, not fair. They won 010304, 07, they're 18 and 910s and oh, but they didn't win. The other giant one, close, they could have won. Now they lose this. Oh, Bella, second Brady, they're really good. They were three and oh, they're three and three. Oh, they can't unfair. Don't get me wrong. Oh, they can't win the big one anymore. What's wrong with them? Not to say they wouldn't have gone on and beaten, you know, Atlanta, or if that was the same situation in the Rams, but all of a sudden three and oh, the three and three shadow, two in a row. It changed the end of it changed the narrative in both conferences. And so New England became the team of the decade because they want to watch it's interesting how it turned. Is there another one like that? Because the one I think of when you bring that up, the John L. Way's first, you know, they were they were double digit dogs to the Packers Packers were going for two in a row. Like that happens in NFL history where you look back and you're like, oh, well, that result kind of changed the court, then the Broncos go win another one. And it's just like things kind of changed on a dime like that. That would be one especially since I think the NFC had won 13 in a row 12 or 13 in a row Super Bowls whoever was in, you know, Washington being one of them. I mean, you know, Buffalo was in a few so that didn't work. Right. Yeah, unfortunately. Yeah, but that's either. Yeah, it did. And then John wins the next one which is going away against Atlanta and he goes off into the sunset that he did it changed Denver and his narrative. It didn't change. Well, you know, Green Bay had then won two in a row they have Brett Farrer, right and Mike Holmberg. Yeah, that's a very good one. I was trying to think of one like that. I remember this very good distinctly at the end of that Super Bowl, the Patriots of the Seahawks. I was staying in a house with the Seahawks fan, he's writer, he's Danny Kelly. I think he works for the Ringer right now. He's a podcaster, big Seahawks fan. I went home with him, we went back to the house, we were just sitting in the backyard drinking a beer, talking about the game and he had the thousand yard stare. I was like, what are you thinking about right now? He said they just stole a dynasty from us. Like he was paying, he felt the deep pain of like we were about to be a dynasty. Now it's probably over even though you looked at that Seahawks team, they were still good coming back the next year. You thought maybe they could get one or two more or at least the crack at it, but that's how it goes. And to your point, I don't, I don't know that the Patriots have that belief to come back from 28 to three if they didn't steal that Super Bowl from the Seahawks. We'll never know. We'll never know. That's the beauty, that's the beauty of it. So here's my, the last, we go from the stands, well we're watching the game of about eight minutes to go to get to the field because prime time is on the field when it's over, as you know. So there's like four minutes when from eight to four you're in the bowels, you kind of, you're hearing, you don't, I'm the only one in America not seeing the game, okay, which is bizarre. And all I heard was Brady's pass complete to Edelman first down. Brady's pass complete to Gronkowski first down. Brady's pass complete to Shane Vareen first down, okay, and then okay you're out on the field, okay now they have the lead. So I'm at the five yard line going the Seahawk direction, even though they were way at their own 30 or whatever it was, and the bomb to curve. Yeah. So I don't know, he lands right here. I'm pointing just off my feet. And I turn to Tom Jackson and I say, remember they didn't review, they didn't, he was in, but you couldn't, I was shocked they didn't, but he was in because I could see his butt landed in, I'm right here. And I went, he blanking, caught that ball Tom. And then I thought, oh my god, any lip reader because I'm going to be on the video going, caught that ball, but they only had, they had my knees down, thank god, okay. And then of course they go to the one and then whatever and wow. So there's no one left from that game. You know, by the way, back to this game, how many guys have even been in the Super Bowl? Yeah, right. I mean, the Vrable obviously, but in a couple of Seahawks, you see, Cooper Cup and Ernest Jones with the Rams, but not a lot. I'm trying to think, and I don't think yet, not a lot. I got one for you to check because I haven't checked yet. I'm the coaching staff with the Seahawks is Leslie Frazier, who played with the 85 Bears. So he has a ring. He also was on coaching staff with the Colts one paid in one and oh six against the Bears, oddly enough. If he and the Seahawks win, 40, I don't know the answer to this, 40 years apart from being a part of getting a ring with a Super Bowl team, 40 years apart. Yeah. I, unless you're a player like him and you're still coaching in your mid 60s or a grad, you know, quality control guy at 25 years old and you're someone else. Leslie Frazier in the year of your birthday, the 85 Bears, right? He might be 40 years. I don't know the answer to that. The biggest gap between yeah, between first and last. Here's the list. Oh, wow. Here's the list for guys. Mack Hollins was on the 2017 Eagles, Milton Williams on 24 Eagles, Carlton Davis on the 2020 box. Yep. Austin Hooper on the 2016 Falcons. That's an interesting one. And then for the Seahawks, Ernest Jones on the Rams, Cooper Cup on the Rams and the one we forgot, Sam Darnold backing up with the Niners and the Niners. But yeah, that's it. Seven. Yeah. And a few of these guys weren't, you know, really playing, you know, early in their career or backups. So yeah, not a lot. It's interesting. Okay. Quick break from Chris Berman to talk to you about DraftKings. Think you know what's going to happen during the big game. Call it with DraftKings Predictions, a new app where you can predict outcomes on football's biggest game, make real money predictions on the big game, and put your money where your knowledge is. Pick a topic, make your prediction. What will the total score be? Will the underdog cover? Which team will be lifting the trophy at the end? Then see, will your big game smarts pay off? DraftKings Predictions is new, simple to use, with big game trading available in California, Texas, Florida, and more. Download now. New DraftKings Predictions customers get up to a $75 first trade bonus with promo code TAKE. Don't just feel it, predict it with DraftKings Predictions. The crown is yours. 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You know, if they win that first one and what happens to, you know, we talked about Bill Welchak earlier and, you know, him getting in the hall of fame, his, I think his defensive game plan from that super roles in the hall of fame, what happens if Scott Norwood makes that kick? The bills win the game. And is that, are we talking about, you know, obviously it was still great defensive performance, but they don't, you don't talk about defensive performances and losses. So it's like, you know, the sliding door moments, there are a lot of them. If we go through it, you know, you're right, that game plan was Thurman Thomas had almost 200 yards combined. Yeah. We can't cover everything, but we will hammer everyone across the middle. Conversely, when they beat the Rams, not the same discussion, the big upset, the 14 point, you know, and we are all Patriots 01. He told me quietly, because we will not let Marshall Falk beat us knowing he's great. I mean, not like he's parentheses of Kurt Warner and Isaac Bruce and Tori Holt get us. I mean, I do have Ty Law, but and some others, but he won't beat us. But you're right. Had Norwood made it, I said this and it will sound stupid. I don't know if I've said it on one of our shows, you know, being close with that team, as you know, I think they would have gone to and to. We can't assume they would have made all right. And so I got asked, so which one? Washington was better than them. Not saying that because I'm looking at PFT. They in retrospect, they're better. That was a great offensive team. Yeah. The defense are pretty good to Charles. Man, I mean, we could go on. I know that it was like, okay, yeah, I got hogs reincarnate. They okay. The one they lost 52 to 17 sounds like a stupid thing to say. Dallas, none of them had been there. The bills. Oh my God, weren't our third one. This is Armageddon if we don't win this. Oh my God. Now what? You know, this before they play the game. So sounds stupid, 52 17 Dallas proved they're better. I get it. But I think that would have been the one because of the experience thing and they would have been one on one. Theoretically, you want an inside thing on the Norwood kick way. I know. Yeah. I get from well, I forget from go ahead. Where? JMU. That's right. My bad. Yeah. If I ever I say from it's always JMU if Big Cat says it's like Brown, Wisconsin. We don't have a lot. Yeah. Well, JMU they're all in Indiana. Yeah, that's true. Good point. So from the whole JMU team. Yeah. So in warm ups, two hours before I noticed he was hooking them some what he didn't usually do. He was not one of those. Now not that many guys hook it as a rule a lot back then a lot of the soccer said he didn't do it. Now we're at the Pro Bowl. I talked to him after you know, Pro Bowl used to be a week after right. So Scotty, I noticed you were hooking the balls at that end zone too as it turned out. Did you make any change in the kick? He goes, interesting that you noticed that boom. I actually aimed a little farther right than the normal and of course he drilled it. Yeah. Because it's five hours later by the way. But you know, we get on the third tee and we've hit two left and we're move your feet a little right. So there's an inside no one knew that nobody I mean I was just fishing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Things change. The bills they could have got there this year too. I know it seemed like it I know. Yeah. So we were to break the fourth wall, fifth wall, fourth wall. We were so we're sitting here on Friday before Super Bowl week and when we were scheduling this the one the one thing that we said with the schedule I was talking to your guy Josh was incredible at ESPN and he he said hey, Schwam's in for Friday. But if the bills make it he's going to go he's going to go to Buffalo and he's going to interview Josh Allen. I was like that's something we can deal with. We can deal with if he has to go if that means the bills are in it and he gets to sit down with Josh Allen that's you know no problem and it would have been great. I mean it's just they just keep they just find ways to make it as tragic as possible. It really is something special and I say special in the in the worst way possible. We're still not sure if that was an interception or a catch. I mean I guess I couldn't believe what a hurry they were in to get playing like with a double parked outside the stadium. I'm not really just explain it to us. Yeah give us the moment to digest it to watch to come to our own conclusions and then and then break our hearts after that. I'd be okay with that. Yeah I mean you read the rule and okay if it's called that and yeah but let's all look. Yeah and then the next state of Ante Adams caught the same thing and that was his catch. Yeah yeah I'm not speaking like a like a Buffalo fan that got jilted because it's borderline but the same thing in the next game it was a catch. Yeah we had a big debate with Mike Florio from Pro Football Talk the other day because he's saying that the conference championship game should be played at a neutral site in a dome out of the weather. We told Mike get out of here with this. He's a fuck yeah he doesn't understand football. Well I'll leave that up to you. Well yeah we'll say it we'll say it so you don't have to but the idea of more and more teams getting domes is a real thing that's happening. Forget about the neutral site stuff. It feels like we're losing snow football as a thing. There are a lot of people that were upset with the quality of play and the Broncos Patriots game. They're like oh it's unwatchable. Me and Big Cat stand on the side of you should have to prepare for that as a coach. The different places that you have to travel to on the road getting the ones he should mean something like you have a hard place to go play. Keep that in the game and we shouldn't sanitize the game and make every game you know 72 degrees indoors zero wind. What do you think about you know pretty much every franchise that's building a new stadium and the bills are an exception and God bless them for it. They're not going to put in a dome. It's going to be outside but it does feel like the further we get the fewer and fewer open air stadiums and cold weather cities we're going to have. How do you feel about that as a fan of the game. No you got to have it in the stadium sites. By the way no out no indoor games the whole playoffs. I know it's great. None. That was great. Including the Super Bowl. Yeah. So you can also get 40 degrees in Chicago in January as you well know and Denver first half looked nice. Yeah. So I would be completely against. I'm not saying look an opinion is opinion is not right or wrong. I mean this is wrong. No this is the wrong opinion. You're right. You're right. But if we think that it but yeah but you're right more domed. And now it favors unfairly so if you look at it this way theoretically a team that's faster. Yeah. And and neutral site it's not like you earned it. Right. Hey I'm an indoor track team and I'm trying hard because most of the teams aren't as fast as us. Right. You could build the team one way. You don't have to worry about having a team that can be you know diverse and how they play and win football games. I hate it. I mean yeah I do too. I mean you root for not ridiculous because I think of the fan experience which oh I wish ridiculous. I listen I refer to the chaos. The chaos is fun. Well like the Kansas City 10 20 people lost the finger when the Miami game. I mean yeah but when the Rams were coming to Chicago I went to that game. I was glued to the weather app all week being like please get colder get colder get colder get colder I wanted as cold as possible because it is the element of an indoor team coming outdoors. So not part of it. So more kudos to the Rams. Yeah. Who played five quarters in that after they went unexpectedly for them four quarters barely won in Carolina no knock on Carolina. Yeah. They you know and then Seattle loud and almost won that. So they are in my respect by the path that they had to take but that included the weather of a West Coast team where it was also 80 in LA that week not 60. Yeah which is the same if we're living where we do yeah in Connecticut or in Chicago but no so the answer is no we you can't because the fans who've supported all year oh I'm Chicago let's let's say Seattle got beat you know by the 90s like we're all I'm only gonna get what you had two games the wrong I get the number one seed and I get one game yeah well no yeah yeah if Seattle had had to play that game in in LA yeah that would have stopped or indoors at the Hoosier at the Hoosier Dome you know at the drum at the Lucas oil drum yeah championship game where the city has nothing to do with it yeah no be bad be bad and snow football is great I mean the tuck rule we you have the image of that game Adam Vinitare hit maybe the best kick of all time in that snow I like a little bit of chaos you said ridiculousness or chaos whatever whatever word you want to use I do like chaos in playoff football I think it's part of what makes the sport beautiful and they should not take that away and a different part of chaos I am adamant about this but I think the league is going to change this not that part that would have a long way to go to have championship games until you hear the league start talking about stuff three years in advance and then we're gonna move the Pro Bowl this is when they played it to the week the dead week the three weeks three years later it happened here's the thing they're talking about why would Carolina have home game keep it that way yeah it's like a baseball stadium with a short porch and I agree yeah you know what and here's and from a competitive why should we should we should reseed everybody because no no no no no no if you are not good enough to go into eight and nine and when you're not winning the Super Bowl anyway right and that would be my point I like the idea and I know this is people who disagree this I like the idea that when the season starts goal number one win your division that's it win your division win the teams that you play the most and then you go from there and so I think there's some years that it's going to be weird and you're going to get screwed some years it will go bounce your way like Seattle played in a division this year where it was the toughest division in football the beast quake year didn't they went in at eight and eight seven and nine so yeah it happens both ways and they were the defending champ right and apparently they weren't good enough right because they would have lost somewhere else I mean one of the many brutal Sean Payton losses in the playoffs I mean there's a long I'm not saying that he's a friend of mine I mean I he has a lot but you're but that was it like that was an backstory of that three weeks to go in that season because that division was was terrible that obviously the NFC west I told Tom Jackson to Tommy 14 things have to happen for the Seahawks who were at the time maybe two weeks ago five and nine mm-hmm they're five and nine Tommy 14 things I figured it out 14 things have to happen for them to host the championship game he goes what what do you why would you waste your time well I was up late whatever you know doodling yeah 13 of them happened yeah the way like they won the division they beat the sakes and Aaron Rodgers knocked the bears out mm-hmm no not the bears out that Aaron Rodgers knocked they were six yeah yeah they're not Dallas probably yeah yeah and and Seattle came to Chicago was a really close game by the way and Chicago one yeah and and so therefore Green Bay came to Chicago yep as the two or the three but Seattle at four would have been ahead of the six yeah he goes 13 of 14 happened so chaos mm-hmm I'm with you chaos is great it's also like we're just too reactionary as you know in general now where it's like oh this thing happened we have to react to it we we'd become basically the uh you know the college football playoff where every year they're just going to change the rules and they're going to think or no no the rules are fine they'll be fine okay it not the things don't need massaging like the process and apparently hall of fame voting that might be one of them but but yeah can't a good way to put it yeah chaos I think it was I think the Packers beat the Falcons out here I think the Falcons were the onesie could be yeah yeah but yeah yeah it was all Dallas was a good guess yeah yeah yeah it's all that was Brian catching it yeah they all the years just kind of yeah how do you how all the years just blend together do you have those moments where you're like I sometimes I'm just like I think that happened wait no I don't know if that happened or what year was that wait to get my age and you go what I have for breakfast I think it was an omelet I'm not sure yeah uh no when you as soon as you break Dennis Brian oh yeah yeah oh yeah that's right yeah he's good you're head you're like oh yeah football this every year you're reminded right we had more comebacks from whatever I don't don't even need the stats by the way back to the chaos if you're gonna keep homogenizing it now we're next gen statsing it yeah yeah okay recommendation go for it it's always well is it is it raining or snowing in the third quarter for the right to go to the super bowl right who's who's this September nice fourth and three down by four at the no don't take all the chart out right do I and then I love one of the networks puts up they go farther they go with the recommendation not all of them do they just save recommendation a couple times I saw one of the playoff games toss up yeah yeah how's your gut feeling with her face cards left I'm playing blackjack right geez I've seen a lot of twos and threes and fours right I'm gonna double down oh it came with a four well okay but your odds were a little better but your gut told you go for it we're due we're due we're due double tough thing to say yeah you're gonna bust yeah you know I'm preaching to the choir yeah yeah yeah do you have a touchdown score for us in the Super Bowl oh god we had the one what was the one that I almost and it would be called hard scantling oh scantling he got one but it wasn't the first one oh anytime I'm gonna go back max hit a yeah jake bobo uh yeah I think he had two catches on the year and his third catch in the season was a touchdown and the the kid that caught the two-point inversion that got them the home home seat Eric Sauber had four yeah I mean I don't think he's not gonna be okay so we needed off the I'm not gonna give you a jsn or I'm not gonna give you uh Stevenson or digs right because you could do that yeah yeah yeah cat might be out of the bag on bobo too because that was such a great route that he ran yeah that was a legit broken day I feel like everybody's gonna be betting bobo yeah but for the record I am also going to be betting bobo but yeah don't don't include disease I mean so his odds are astronomical right I mean I haven't even seen him yet they might we might have changed the bubble odds I'm talking about him so much max you got about 30 to 1 35 35 I wouldn't be live it was live I wouldn't be shocked if he was like four and a half to one no he's gonna be higher than that let's see he's still gonna be in like the you got you got catches max get it get the touchdowns up yeah let's take a look here touchdown scores no we'll see we're gonna think of an off the chart 10 to 1 on the drive 10 to 1 okay 10 to 1 that's it and Jake bobo bobo the first score not any score any score oh whoa whoa whoa if he's first because mbs didn't get the first one yeah yeah if he scores can he call him bobo cop call him whatever you want okay yeah bobo I'm a bobo sexual I'll leave that to your show okay we're listen we're just cable yeah we get a little we get a little loose yeah there's some things that we say in our in our boomers on and I want to go with a couple of your nicknames this year that you might have like the pretty one which which was I give you credit every time I use it but first score so if I'm picking the seahawks to win which I did but by the way I don't have to get the first score the first score of the game they killed Denver was a safety so I don't forget who got credit that was a team yeah oh first touchdown you're talking yeah first touchdown so I'm thinking do I really step out and pick a defensive player do I pick like okay they could either force a fumble and Marcus Lawrence picks it up and goes in or does witherspoon pick six he doesn't have a lot of pick sixes but he's really good yeah again I'm not eliminating the Patriots you could do Gonzales that way I mean Sam has turned it you know I mean or here's a fumble and it's picked up by but I'm not gonna do that I'm not gonna do spleyner I mean I think he's healthy enough to play I don't know that so do I pick a Seattle defensive player because those will be good numbers yeah yeah I mean if first score just Seattle you get every Seattle player you have 35 to 1 or no sorry uh 22 to 1 meaning what any they just score if the defense if the Seattle defense scores Seattle defense defense defense scores for 22 to 1 okay I'll do it any well because I want to give you one that's yeah I mean then the defense is why they're there yeah okay so let's go with it okay any player huh all right I'll give you a story I may have I keep talking Seattle but you know I haven't had a chance to do it so on the Denver one in New York Thursday I'm in the lobby of whatever hotel I'm in guy no Shicer nice guy middle of the day one o'clock two o'clock hey Chris how you doing I saw you picked this one me you picked Seattle with the three or four whatever it was yeah I think I think so you know whatever he goes well let me tell you two bets I made you don't know me and I never saw this guy again and he said well the first one is I bet what you can safety is the first score in the game yep okay that's possible figure holding penalty at the four yard line more likely either team says I got one more that I went for because Denver scored 600 points that year or whatever the number yeah yeah so there was odds that Denver by 24 or more you know whatever that wasn't and that's a big number I mean 24 against a good legion of boom because I bet Seattle by 24 or more I said hold on a minute now let me now sit and think about how that could happen yeah and had nothing to do with a per by that by the time Percy Harvin returned the kick it was already done yep okay so you're saying a paint manning they get like 16 and Seattle's gotta get like 40 or 13 and they gotta get 37 to 13 I never saw the guy again I'm sure he's retired I'm winning those two I'm winning those two that was a ball she bet yeah that was a very good day for him I had one last question again Schwann we can't thank you enough for doing this it's it's our favorite thing we do every single year it's a row back question rjoback.com promo code take 20% off your first purchase Q zips polo so these joggers shorts so you said maybe throw you a couple couple boomers that maybe you could use I just have one and I think you can use it both ways it's Sam Donald Schwartz nager and I think you could go if they if the seahawks lose maybe a shot of him walking off the field and you say I'll be back baby and then if they if they go up by two scores late ocelavista you could use it many see a nickname that keeps giving like that yeah that's extra credit you can use it both ways that's extra credit yeah um baseball I had a couple like that um Mike Felder depends where he played in the alpha he was either left center or right Felder okay but Jim Gott who was a pitcher for Jim got the win Jim got the save Jim got the loss or Jim got no decision but the but that but that space so the interchangeable ones I I I know I'm all over the map here which I hope you don't mind no of course we love him and by the way before I forget there isn't a week that I don't get stopped in an airport by all ages now it doesn't have to be 30 year old male I had nothing to do with it like I love you on pardon my take by the way like I said but it's October this year yeah yeah but it's October they've had a few people on it's our favorite compliment it's our favorite whenever someone tells us that we had uh Mark Schlerz who's been a good friend of ours he says he won three Super Bowls and he says I get if I get stopped 10 times seven of them are about us and Mark sure we did piss our pants with him um but that that's our favorite compliment to get well I'm giving it to you it's not about oh I was a good guest yeah they don't hear me all the time I don't have a you know point of view every day of the week so but it's a compliment to what this show and I'm not blowing smoke it's a compliment to what this show has not evolved into has been from the start but you're about you're humorous you have your takes obviously you have you might annoy people with your opinions but it's always based on we love football yeah it is yeah and and that it just jumps through if you're on camera who are obviously it jumps through a podcast you're driving down the interstate and it's these guys love football and they they're coming from a place that I don't listen and I'm so I I really respect that people go have you hooked up with those guys said well we couldn't do it right away for obvious reasons but whatever but yeah you guys treat me like I'm royalty which I am you are you're doing us a definition of Roy yeah this is fun I just doing me a favor I don't prime time I can't squeeze the last hour and a half in all these comments about well the Super Bowl 11 years ago he's your mom curse caught it right and his butt was right in front of my feet so here's a here's a nickname Carolina gives you like we had the tube of missile crisis yeah that was a great one all time so the young man that caught I think it was nine in the playoff loss for Carolina to the Rams Jalen Coker from Holy Cross I met a guy in your hallway from Worcester it couldn't miss him he had Patriots Garbon left and right which is fine where you from I'm from Worcester I said yeah okay I know where it is it's an hour and a half from where I live I got it and from Holy Cross Jalen Coker so I thought of it and and I used it only on that prime time so I think it's only been on once Jalen I'm a smoker I'm a toker I'm a midnight cocker I catch my passes on the run complete the set perfect that's and I had to speak in Charlotte and I debuted with them and they went nuts oh that's incredible that's yeah I love that I don't know if it's quite Jake daylight come and you got a Deload well there's some yeah Dachron means business well we have a few yeah the other that we had we were big fans of Tyler Schuck we've been watching Schuck all year kind of fell in love with Schuck why not at one point in the season I think I did Thunder Schuck like AC DC and it was a big time mistake on my part why because I kept doing Thunder Schuck and then just now before you came in the studio I realized it should have been you shook me all night long so you can have that one yeah that's everyone knows that song even if they don't remember who it is yeah everyone we all night long that's a good one shook me all night if you want to get up into the Brian Johnson register and give a little screech that's that's a good one all right in the pocket for and he I you know we are shocked just too easy although I probably said it and then oh at half time one of the fastest three when I had three minutes and maybe a minute I don't get to squeeze it all in but that's promoting a Disney movie and I by the way those are played in fields way above me by the way I love it when that happens so you sometimes do three minutes sometimes usually three but and then there was one time where it was one minute and I just I love you when when the camera cuts and you're like well I guess we're gonna do one minute this and you can tell like this I do not like it but I'm gonna be good I'm gonna be a good soldier yeah well one time I brought a shoehorn yeah that's right but um oh no I was going somewhere and I forgot it's like it's like your nickname it shook me on oh shuck mm-hmm he was we wanted saints we one play you know we're not gonna show three from the saints falcons there was probably it right he's not shucking oysters he's shucking the falcons you know why not I love it I love it that was a good one listen but you guys I know it's early in the week you'll have your pics later in the week yeah tell me off Mike I see I know not to blow the that's what we call tea you just had a birthday you're still giddy oh yeah so giddy to turn 41 get giddy with it you know 41 a birthday 41 honestly I'll give you this speech because our daughter's 40 and my son's about to be 39 in a few months 40 was one of my favorite birthday we had you know but I know you're 41 now so yeah well big cat is I'm not your only yeah I turn 41 tomorrow yeah not quite but one time this runs yeah there's no turning back both 41 yep yeah you're halfway through your life and hopefully not quite yeah you're not quite through into the you're still putting on nine yeah you're halfway through about to get the hot dog and how have you done yeah honestly tell us to my kids and my daughter was very upset around 40 dad you know this and that I don't know how you doing professionally okay you guys are doing great personally family however you're are we are we happy with ourselves and I was at 40 yeah you know professionally and personally by that point Kathy and you know both kids were born so um um no I think we're good number yeah we're saying it's uh there's something that happens around 40 where you know it might be because of my kids but it's it's a lot of listen there's a lot going on in the world care about the things that you can control yeah everything else let it go and I've gotten good at that where it's like if I can't control it if I can't control how people think about me if I can't control this situation if I can't control that no no time no time spent on it yep I feel like I've been having a midlife crisis my entire life so I'm I'm well I'm ready for it yeah can you give us one whoop on the way out oh I mean that's almost uh what do we call status quo yeah rigor to speak French one last time I mean you you want a cosmic oh yeah oh yeah well listen I've enjoyed my stay here with you guys as always have a great Super Bowl and if all else fails things aren't going great watch your ears you can always do the Schwab thank you thank you so much we love having you here thanks for having me proud of you guys yes appreciate it in sports winning takes more than talent it takes strength reliability and the drive to go to the distance sound familiar that's the same DNA you'll find in a Chevy Silverado as capable and dependable as a winning team Chevy Silverado shows up against the job done it won't flinch when the pressure's on it doesn't take plays off when it comes to trucks Chevy Silverado's football guy approved to learn more about Silverado visit chevy.com okay let's wrap up the show we got some uh some story time some real good story time so you guys left on Friday we did Chris Berman the Schwab which was phenomenal I seriously can't stress enough like how much I enjoy having him come on the show once a year and he flew to us and came in our studio it was so much fun and then after that you guys had a flight at five o'clock to go to San Francisco to play spyglass he left the office right after we wrapped with Chris Berman you guys didn't leave Chicago till what 10 p.m. about yeah 8 39 something in there so what happened well first of all back to the Chris Berman thing whenever Chris comes on the show we spend about like an hour having a conversation with before he does the podcast and then about an hour afterwards talking we did like three hours worth of podcast oh yeah with Chris Berman only one got recorded yes um but it was awesome having you got pinch yourself every time you're sitting in the same room as the Schwab so then we get to the airport there was a snowstorm in Chicago on Friday so we got there plenty of these guys are just laughing at us I think it's a setup Matt Max was just aggressively pointing in Mims' face yeah what's going on they're they're they're very distracting today what's going on continue continue why you guys have to talk why was he pointing in your face this ties in after you're not allowed to gesture when you guys laugh in there when when we're not when we're telling something and it's not funny we have to stop and be like what are we laughing at we want to laugh too much we want to laugh too uh Mims is just too happy of a guy Max just looked at me said I'm going on the attack oh see that should be shared I'm going on the attack should be shared everything gonna say I want people to know that Hank and I've had a great last two days together and we're boys thick as thieves again lock step Hank week he was being such a fucking bitch on Friday such a fucking bitch on Friday we got to the airport he started saying like you guys better let me nap I need to nap on this plane I mean Max kept being like you can nap you were free to nap at any time he's like because we're going to get there then we're going to have a two hour drive and it's not going to be safe for me to drive if I haven't taken a nap yet and Hank was just absolutely becoming a terrorist threatening us okay how many times did you get mad at us for not allowing you to nap after we had told you we want a crazy way to describe what I was doing away I was just saying this no-nast policy might have to be revisited for the safety of all of us which was again me looking out as a kind person looking out for you guys and we said we want you to nap they were texting saying please not sly little faces like pft I know how he does it where he's like gets me on the record being you're not gonna nap you're not gonna nap you shouldn't nap for everyone once you nap and I said I gave my word I'm a man of my word one thing about me I always keep my word I said I would not nap so I was like fuck I wish I had said I couldn't nap because we got a five hour flight and then a two hour drive and we're delayed six hours a nap would be nice you're but you ended up napping I never naps you charged up I charged up for a little bit but hey you were the one that said you would stop napping you can't put that on me we had a while we were we were walking talking max was giving us a tour of the airport oh that's the other way we got new max lore new max lore for the files max is an excellent traveler yeah excellent traveler we got to the airport and we're in terminal one we got hours to kill now and max gives the lay of the land for the entire airport he's like there aren't that many good restaurants in terminal one so we got to go to terminal two for those and then he knows where every delta united club is he'll be like yeah there's another club that's what restaurants did you hit well we went to chili's chili's was over overcrowded both of them get it's packed because then we went so in between terminals do you know where summer house is yep summer house was summer house was full wicker park sushi and seafood was also full yep I know all these places yeah it's great yeah so then we were gonna go I was like we can go to this chili's it's smaller I don't think we're gonna be able to get in there's also the black hawks bar yeah if you go right in the fork and I was like or we can go to the other chilies I think it's a little bit bigger there's more of a chance that we can get a four top he was a tour if we go to terminal three that chili's good but then on the way to terminal the terminal three chilies there was prime real estate at the at the cub's bar so we just is that the one next is there ice cream in between terminal two and there's ice cream right there we didn't have any ice cream yeah I know exactly what you're talking about yeah max knows every restaurant at Chicago here it's good every single one you need to I travel a lot yeah good traveling but you also need to know like the summer house one is like people don't know that especially if you're traveling early they have great breakfast sandwiches summer house is great yeah so the Hank was just complaining if he was bitching about not he was asking people for a wheelchair because it was calf that's not that's not true at all Hank was Hank was literally being a bitch for five and a half hours non-stop and it was max you can back me up on this bad night bad time to be with Hank on Friday cap we were I thought we had a good time yeah me too because we're making fun of you too okay and then what and then you guys all got on the plane right then we got on the plane me and Hank did and then Shane got on the plane yeah and so we settled in all right so I'll take over here so this would happen everyone ready for what happened yeah I'd love to hear what happened we're on our way we're on our way to the airport we find out we're all checked in everyone's checked in we find out we're in separate ubers we're in separate ubers we're chatting oh shit is this like find out our Yankees the 25 cabs we had a lot of shit Hank had a lot of Patriots gear a lot of golf clubs um so we find out our flight gets delayed so then we're talking to like oh should we move our flight there's another one at this time that isn't delayed let's try and get on that and then immediately once that was even brought up it was never not even confirmed I panicked switched my flight to that max brought it up and then switched before any answer yeah I panicked I panicked and then we were like actually no we should go back to our original flight so then I checked in for that flight then went back to my original flight and I thought that the original check-in would stay as my check-in for going back to the last flight mm-hmm there was a lot of flight cancellations from what I have I have done research on this oh okay you've done I've talked to people that are in the know when there are a lot of flight cancellations I got nowhere about that it it they make the the the airlines make way more money by shipping heavy cargo rather than packing packing the plane with people so there was there was a lot of heavy cargo that was stowed underneath the plane so they kicked off every person who wasn't checked in at boarding because of a weight capacity there were three people who I was waiting with it was myself a skinny asian man and an older small woman that they told the three of us that we were not going to be able to get on the plane because of weight capacity I told that I told that to the to the people that is the story of what happened obviously they like to there's a nice reading yeah I'm gonna do it right now I'm funny just do a live reading of the text right okay that is what happened that was Hank says Hank says you have spent like four days coming up with that story that isn't a fact here we go here we go Hank said flight boarded max not boarded pft said where you at max Hank said for those keeping track at home and it's just a picture of max's ass crack outside of the terminal I don't know that's Shane his Shane took that picture yeah and Hank said there's someone in f5 max max said holy shit they booted me off this flight dude what that's pft and Hank I said shut up he said I swear to god pft asked why Hank said is it full he said max said completely full when I switched my seat maybe someone won't show up pft said max said this is insane there's two seats it was completely full because I just assumed it was completely full that they gave my seat away but then when I checked that yeah also max is like I'm gonna get f5 so I can monitor you napping yeah so don't say that you were asking me now Hank then that's why you wanted to be in f5 fact fiction there's two seats open in first class max said they said there's a weight limit he said when they switched my seat they unchecked me in which is absolutely insane that's what I just said she also told the small woman next to me there was a weight limit that's what I just said that probably made you feel a little bit better sure did Hank said I just watched a 600 pound man walk past me yeah and then max said there's now four people this has happened to uh and he went on they just keep saying they can't add anyone because of a weight restriction so you got weight limited yeah me this skinny asian guy in the in the older small woman we all got weight why did you bring up race I was just painting a picture for the viewer of what of what the scene was so they kicked you off the plane and said there's a weight limit are those two facts correct no they didn't they didn't allow me on to the plane no because they said there's a weight no yeah yeah no I'm asking I'm just asking doing this thing of like creating a narrative that doesn't exist I'm not creating a narrative you texted this no yeah yeah let's just let's just bully the guy who struggles with his weight let's it's really funny for all all the listeners let's just keep doing it I I did tell max I was like you probably shouldn't have put that in the text thread but I know but he's right but max everything max is right everything that I'm true oh I'm now getting to me I said let's agree to not bring up the weight thing and then I pledged to not bring it up on the show all right so well no I just got to that part now I won't bring it up all right yeah good done great great show numbers oh we never take numbers no we didn't we didn't know yeah the lottery ball is done yeah what uh so how was spyglass spyglass was wonderful thank you credit to hank again after we landed then hank and I became great friends again and we've had a great time ever since then did a great job staying awake the entire time he was driving down spyglass nice so we got about two hours of sleep woke up the next day hank demanded that he get the bed closest to the window so the sunlight could wake him up but there's no sunrise until like 8 a.m. here so there's no sunlight but we're moving past that and we got to the course had a great day 50 50 kicked me out of my bed I woke I kicked you out of your bed sorry it wasn't your birthday yet we did share we shared a hotel room which is wonderful it was wonderful pft I was up I was making coffee might have spilled some water on on pft's clothes that was an action did not but pft I'm like kind of waiting for him like hoping like I'm like kind of like it's kind of the point where I'm like we gotta start moving like I'm all about sleep and I we had none like well you're all about golf over so I was I was like all right let's you know you should have seen how giddy hank was off of zero sleep I've never seen anything like it shocking he was so happy I mean it was my guy it's one of the greatest courses of all time shout out to pebble beach for happiness how it was it was incredible incredible day golf but pft I'm like kind of waiting to it's getting close to the point where I have to like start like shaking then we got to go I'm just like I'm making noise and just hoping he just kind of gets up and I just hear him go mincey hasn't posted his concert review yet I fell asleep thinking about this because mincey was having a great time at a concert and he said interview with these guys coming later oh and I so we you fell asleep waiting for the interview we spend the entire car ride to spyglass I'm refreshing mincey's twitter being like this interview has to be coming soon oh man and then I woke up in the morning it still wasn't up and I was like 3 a.m pacific time when we went to sleep so he was looking at that from like 4 p.m central to 3 a.m pacific time continuously asking when are we getting the mincey interview I wanted the interview I was looking forward to the interview and I didn't see what I woke up so yeah I'm sorry Hank that I I was trying to support a co-host it was like I wonder if pfg's awake and I had to all I certainly just hear sign of life just mincey hasn't posted his concert review yet but it was a great day I appreciate Hank setting that up and great way to spend the birthday it would have been the best birthday of my entire life it was almost the best birthday hands down of my entire life it was so close to being what happened of my entire life 15 inches I missed a hole in one by like a foot oh that would have been incredible by like a foot and then yeah it was so cool it was a great course yeah but that would have been again a hole in one on spyglass on your birthday never tell me anything on your birthday yeah the plaque oh oh been great I would have yeah I would have done a lot of stuff yeah it's been it's been awesome hanging out with Hank he's in a great mood if it's not golf it's just you know getting ready for another Super Bowl hopefully win you know it's about 50-50 with the Patriots historically but he feels like this is uh this is his season I mean we had fun it's it's fun fun road trip with the boys uh we had some time today we had some sights in tours and stuff it's been a it's been a it was like it was a been a fun couple days there you go are you are you mad at me no I'm good happy I want to say for the record everything that Max said is 100 true yeah but you also shouldn't have texted to the group your ass crack was also out when Shane was passing you my ass crack is always out he's got a high ass crack you just not his fault you just there is no if you're taking a picture of me from behind my ass crack is out his eyes are up here how can we celebrate Sydney Sweeney for her cleavage yeah we make fun of Max for his great great point thank you Mr. Comments great great point Mr. Max we had a fun day and not yes naps yes Max is napping napping so much he's napping sleep talking yesterday snoring I was sleep talking oh yeah max sleep talked a little bit in the in the car you sleep talk to sometimes oh yeah all the time well I don't know what time we got mad at us I'm over no that's old me that was when I napped yeah I've come around watching you nap like I said earlier has made me never want to never want it's so disgusting watching him nap you nap you normally are the first team all napper but then yeah coach Rable's talking the way yeah so even after the Super Bowl you're you're we'll we'll revisit it after Super Bowl but come on it's the off season yeah this week's no naps all right we'll do random number generator to finish the show what do you guys got 100 7 14 0 to 100 0 to 100 1 to 100 50 100 what are you gonna take Jonah's got 23 down 98 I was gonna take 14 I'll go 23 ready Zach did you guess what'd you guess 14 I'm gonna hold what'd you guess 30 97 96 oh damn you wouldn't want it damn that would be tough it'd be tough to win this one why why because you don't want to waste wins yeah you try to claim it as an actual camper and wins right now you can't burn wins right now only guy with a win this year and jack all right Super Bowl week it's gonna be a fun week go pass go pass baby love you guys happy birthday to scheme jay and Shakira so so in sports winning takes more than talent it takes strength reliability and the drive to go to the distance sound familiar that's the same DNA you'll find in a Chevy Silverado as capable and dependable as a winning team Chevy Silverado shows up it gets the job done it won't flinch when the pressure's on it doesn't take plays off when it comes to trucks Chevy Silverado's football guy approved to learn more about Silverado visit chevy.com in sports winning takes more than talent it takes strength reliability and the drive to go to the distance sound familiar that's the same DNA you'll find in a Chevy Silverado as capable and dependable as a winning team Chevy Silverado shows up it gets the job done it won't flinch when the pressure's on it doesn't take plays off when it 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