My Cousin Won Olympic Gold! Housewife Tells All!

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Not the most ideal time to have a party or go to a party, but I woke up at like 1.45, could not get back to sleep, was up at 4.40. And then we just watched it from 5 a.m. together at my house, nail biting. So it was just amazing. And I just was texting my cousin, aka Big Charlie, the dad, Charlie McAvoy, famous from McAvoy Plumbing, four generations of Plumbing. They run Long Beach, New York. And it's just, it's really cool to talk to him. I know I have many parents that listen to the show that have kids that are very big in competitive sports. And just to think that all that hard work and dedication, then you're sitting on the other side watching your child win the gold for America. And the team was just so beautiful to each other. and it just really made me excited. So here's a photo of, um, big Charlie hugging little Charlie McAvoy, which I just love. And Charlie McAvoy with his adorable baby, this little boy is just the, just the cutest and has strong genes, this little face. I just can't stop. I eat them up. and um so just it just was beautiful it was beautiful to watch and and and post about it and then of course they they took the team photo which was fabulous I loved that Charlie got right in the middle but for those of you who weren't aware who kind of wondered what was going on when they were taking the team photo is number 13 Grado um it was very very tragic thing happened both he and his brother were killed while riding their bikes the night before their sister's wedding by a drunk driver, absolutely horrible. And he was a young dad with two little kids and his wife was there. And the players went and got the little girl who looked to be about three and the little boy whose birthday it happened to be, who was two and went and took the photo with the team. So that was an extremely special moment. And then also Jack Hughes, who got the winning goal, right before that, he had his teeth knocked out and he continued to play. So that's just like such a crazy hockey moment. I don't know how someone could do that. I had a pickleball one time come slightly breeze across my lip and I had to take a two week break. so I can't even imagine as a mom hockey is a very hard thing to watch even if you're not related to anybody on the court on the court on the ice but he also both he and his brother were on the team together which was super cool and their mom was helped coach the winning girls hockey team and he is the first I think Jewish player to win a gold in hockey so all of that all firsts, all super exciting. And they're all really charming in their interviews, which that's why there's just so many videos. Also the algorithm probably knows that I'm obsessed with it and the whole day. So I was watching all these videos, which was amazing. Also one of the players named Haley, who won the gold for the girls hockey team. She had, has three older brothers that also played hockey as well. And so I'm watching those cute little video. She was the youngest one. They basically taught her how to play, but then she was the one that succeeded and they were in the stands cheering her on. And there's just a lot of generational things that went on. In fact, Charlie McAvoy's, the coach is his father-in-law. That is Kylie Sullivan, his wife's father. And it was just, all of it was so cool. And, you know, not to make it about me, but can I just say I'm really proud to know this family and what they did to get here. And Charlie had a lot of different injuries and illnesses and things that really made the year difficult. So for him to do so well on the ice and now they're stuck in Italy because there's a snowstorm and they can't fly back to New York right now, but it was just amazing. And then of course, we all fell in love watching the gold winner, Alyssa Liu, who in her gold dress just did the most incredible ice skating routine. And she, one of the things about her was once she just decided to like be herself on the ice, then is when she really skyrocketed. And she just was the most natural, effortless. I mean, it's like why you think you could ice skate because she made it looks so easy. So that was her story, super inspiring. So that was a really nice way to end the Olympics and we won the most medals and blah, blah, blah. So, um, now let's get into some other follow-ups on, on things. Sadly, Nancy Guthrie is still missing. And there are people that think that she might've gone to Mexico. There has been some, um, you know, internet detectives that saw that there was a private plane that left at a certain hour. The chief of the sheriff of Pima County, Chris Nanos, is giving us updates, but there isn't much there. They're like, we're working on the DNA and it's taking longer, but it also moves really fast. So we could have a connection in two to three weeks, two to three months, or might take up to a year. We don't know, but there's some DNA testing that's going on with what was found on the ring cam to something else. Then all of a sudden, these mothers just said, we are going to go find Nancy Guthrie. And they met at Hobby Lobby. So they met at Hobby Lobby and they went looking out around the Tucson area and around her home and they found an abandoned backpack, but it is not the same backpack that was seen in the person who had touched the ring cam and tried to put the shrub over it. There could be more people than just that person involved. There could be several people and they went out a different door. We still just don't have any answers. Are there a lot of weird coincidences and strange things. Yes, that she was, you know, uh, taken right around the big drop of the Epstein files and Savannah had interviewed Epstein people and her husband had worked for a company that was involved with, uh, the Clintons and, you know, everything is connected. Doesn't mean that it's anything more. Everything's connected. We've talked about a lot of the weird coincidences. What she wrote in her book was strange. And then it's like, are we just, is all the world a stage? Like Shakespeare said, are we just living in some weird matrix? I don't know, but we just hope that she is safe and that we have some answers sooner than later. Yes, there is an A&E reality show called Desert Law and Sheriff Chris Nanos doesn't appear on it that much, but he is a consulting producer. And that is weird and great for the series that this is going to be this investigation. I most likely, I would assume, how could they not, will be covered on the reality show when it comes back. So strange. Today, Nick Reiner did enter a plea of not guilty. He is working with his public defender, Kimberly Green, I believe her last name is, and they said he's not guilty. He has a shaved head. He was in his jumpsuit. He is being detained for the stabbing deaths of both of his parents. I assume not guilty reason of insanity, but I don't know. Maybe he is actually going to try to say he didn't do it. We will see. But all we know is that he said not guilty. Um, now this, it was going viral. Um, I've seen this, I don't know who was the originator of this video. It's gone many places. So, um, and many people have compared it. There is a guy walking by what appears to be a street in Quebec based on everybody's recognizing the area. And there is a woman who would be approximately the age of Ghislaine Maxwell. And she has a hat on and a turtleneck and a blue coat. And he walks by and he goes, Ghislaine? And she goes, what? And he goes, Ghislaine? And she goes, oh no, that's not me. And he goes, oh, I used to get hella pizza from you. And she goes, okay. And then she's with this older guy that someone said looks like he could be Alan Dershowitz. People have zoomed in and the eyes and the teeth are exactly the same as Ghislaine. Other people said there's reports that this has been altered. So someone with the way AI is, I don't know. It would be, I don't know if this is real or not, but it's very compelling if it is. We know, I know 100% of certainty that the woman that we saw that gave the report a couple weeks ago from prison is absolutely not Ghislaine, okay? Different eye shape, different nose, all of it. This woman looks just like her. so who knows um where she is but very very strange and when you really look at it together um you know it it could be her but it also might not be so and it might be just a real person that just didn't miss that misheard him and he he might have passed her earlier and been like that woman could be gillian i'm gonna walk by and say that and she was like what oh no okay like just thinks it simple and funny. I don't know. Now, another thing that is being, you know, looked at as we explore that nothing is a conspiracy theory and the whole world is involved with some sick shit from all entities of the world, that in film, they've been telling this forever. Now, I have talked about Woody Allen, also best buds with Epstein all over the files, that he would write these movies that would make you think, oh, I guess, you know, I guess a young girl would want to, you know, screw Woody Allen with his tiny, skinny, ugly body. Even when he was 40, he was tiny, skinny, and ugly. But he always was writing these movies where like a 17-year-old girl just couldn't get enough of him. And she was having dinner with he and his friends. And then another woman like, and it was always just like all these women would just be in love with him. And he would be kind of funny, like, oh, I don't know what to do. I don't know how to get rid of this girl. It's so into me. He was 17. And, you know, there was a movie called, there was a book in a movie called Lolita. And that was about a man who has a relationship with his girlfriend's daughter, who's like 14. And the whole thing is written like she is the aggressor in this whole thing. It's all been put out there. It's all been put out there to get our mind to accept that this could be normal. So now people are going back and looking at all the movies that were put out about it, from Eyes Wide Shut to Blink Twice to Rosemary's Baby, where they sell their soul to the devil and give their baby to the devil. And I mean, that was, you know, a huge hit, a huge movie. there's always been movies and things about satanic worship there's always been tons of artists especially in the last 20 years that make their live production shows all about the antichrist and satanic and all of this stuff and we've just been like oh oh it's fun you know and and how far do you take it do you start to explore what people wore to halloween like you know um i just wrote p uh drake the other day i said the pizza is almost ready out of the oven you know like is that gonna be somehow like of course you'd be like heather no these were in the files and there was yes i know no one talks about pizza that much i agree with you it's sick shit i agree with all of it but now what's really interesting is all of a sudden people are just watching a movie that they didn't even think about. It's not one of those eyes wide shut movies. It's not about this crazy stuff or the menu or all these other things, you know, or chefs making, having to get a, there's another movie out about a chef that, that takes over the identity of another chef because he thinks it's a great job, but that he has to then like make human humans into the dinner. And how does he get out of this weird situation now? you know many chefs accidentally died that were in high positions recently that like drowned in like you know four feet of water and weird things like that okay but in this one this is from Marcus Hemp there's this movie um with Jennifer Garner and I'm just saying she's the star of it because I can't recall what movie it is. And it's just this innocuous scene where they just go and they are like at a restaurant or a pizza place. Yes, a pizza place. And right in the scene, because it's screen grabbed right here, there's just some photos of a young pubescent boy taking off his shirt, like in a photo album, among other photos that would be at like the manager's desk and it's there. And you're like, this is so weird. So then you're thinking, who was the set designer on that show? Did they just actually go to a place and not realize that that was someone's kids? But no, not for a major motion picture. Everything is set and planned. Same way Balenciaga did those ads with, um, with the, um, you know, handbag on top of the law about child corn, you know, all that kind of stuff. It's just weird. It's weird how blatantly things have now been put in front of us over and over there. I believe the creator of Simpsons is in the Epstein files where people would be like, why were there so much, why were there so many, so many things in the Simpsons, you know, about what now we're experiencing and the futurist, It's all bizarre and it's very juicy. So you can believe it, not look it up. I don't really care, but I'm just telling you, it's really strange the more people kind of open their eyes to it and then discover the connections. Oh, speaking of gold medals, one more time. I won a silver, everybody. I won a, I am the 2025 silver winner, juicy scoop, best pop culture show, Heather McDonald. This is the signal awards, very heavy, beautiful award. I can add it now to my reality TV award in which I won for best podcast there a couple of years ago. And I want to thank them for that. And so amazing that I also, it's not a gold, but it is a silver. Okay. And then biggest news in the Epstein situation is that Prince Andrew has been arrested. And as of today, so has Peter Mendelsohn. He is the UK ambassador to the United States of America. and they have both been arrested for the same thing, which is suspicion of misconduct, meaning they shared information about the royal's finances or whatever that could be. It's a broad thing, but basically it's not on trafficking or anything like that. But Prince Andrew was arrested. He has been released on bail. And then today someone went to the Louvre and hung his photo up at the Louvre. This is also where they stole all those jewels. So I don't know what is going on with the security at the Louvre, but like, can we get some mall cops or somebody else over there? Cause it's very strange, but it's a UK based activist group called the People Versus Elon poked fun at Andrew by framing a now famous photo of the former prince slumped in the backseat of a car with a horrified look on his face and it's hanging against a wall inside the Louvre on Sunday. So interesting. Also Sarah Ferguson who is also in the files writing Jeffrey Epstein being like I know that the prince and I are no longer together but you're you're my best friend and won't you please call me back. And she writes about her daughters to him. And she also asked for like $20,000 or something that she needs money and that she could help him out doing things. And she has checked herself into a pricey wellness clinic in Switzerland. So it's a recovery clinic. I don't know if it's necessarily rehab or just needing to get away from her life that is a disaster because she's a disaster. They also went inside the Lolita Express. This is the actual plane that Jeffrey owned. It's huge. I saw the video of the people walking in it. It could seat 30 to 40 people. It has a full bedroom. it has like a walkie talkie in the drawers the bed has got a lot of bed bugs and things like that because it has not been used in 10 years it's just sitting there and somehow these people were able to go inside it so it's just creepy just because you recognize it in the photos of you know with people's faces blacked out or not of all the times and all the people that took that to get to Epstein Island. And that people blatantly called it the Lolita Express was just weird So that was interesting Quince is all about elevated essentials that feel effortless Designed for layering and mixing each piece helps build a timeless wardrobe made to last with versatile silhouettes and thoughtful details They the kind of styles you wear again and again. I love my white linen blazer. It just goes perfectly with everything from shorts to jeans, sundress, and I wear it throughout the year because it's that stylish. The quality is there and it lasts season after season. 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The activist name is John Davidson. And I don't know what they did. Like, do you escort him out? Are you like, well, he has Tourette's. I mean, it's like out of like a Larry David episode, truly, of Curber Enthusiasm. This was a story that you never hear. A North Carolina mother was found alive 24 years after vanishing. So this mother of three said she was going shopping right before Christmas in 2001 and went missing. And everybody said, well, clearly this is foul play. Something horrible happened to her. She would have never abandoned her three children, especially right before Christmas. She was found in North Carolina perfectly fine. she really did leave her three kids it sounds like the you know they're they're still trying to find more information but she is it's definitely her she is completely fine and obviously her daughter has some mixed emotions um pissed sad but also like happy that her mom is alive i don't know how you would explain that and why you'd ever want to talk to this woman again i mean this is whatever you want to think about Sherry Pepini. This is like 24 times worse because it was 24 years that she was doing this. So I, that's probably going to, we're probably going to learn more about this story. I'm sure there'll be a doc on it or she'll start her own podcast and tell us what she's been doing the last 24 years being child free. Um, Bonnie blue. Okay. And you're like, Heather, I hate this person. So do I, this is the girl, very pretty blonde, blue eyed girl. that calls herself Bonnie Blue, that goes on these marathon gangbangs where people line up and she does videos and they have masks on. And now, you know, she's saying that she's pregnant after having unprotected sex with 400 men. I want to go on the record to say, I think this is all a hoax. I think this is all BS. I think that she is not doing this for real. I think she's paying guys to wear masks and pretend that they waited in line to have sex with her. And then she makes money off OnlyFans stuff. I don't know. You tell me, can anybody watch the actual video of 400 guys having sex with her? Like, is this real content? And I know, but you're like, but yeah. And why does Us Weekly report on it? Because it gets clicks, I guess. I mean, I'm proud to say I've skipped like 15 stories that I've seen about this chick. And, but I just had to go on the record to say, I don't think she's pregnant. I think it's all BS. You know what? Maybe she is pregnant, but I don't think it's from one of these 400 guys. I don't think this is real. I've heard everything from, you know, she was born of the opposite sex and transitioned to, you know, no, this is all real and she just loves to have sex and she has a husband who loves her or a boyfriend who loves her. I don't know, but I am going to say, I look forward to the documentary that's going to come out in 2027. That's going to be like, so we're doing this now. Um, I remember when she became Bonnie blue. What? Yeah, that's what I think. And that's my prediction. also enough with this i just saw tmz is doing a documentary um about that the pepsi commercial disaster was not caused by a hair product when poor michael jackson's hair caught on fire and then he became um addicted to painkillers because it was so incredibly painful all right do we need a whole doc on it like really honestly i i'm going to watch the biopic in which his nephew is playing him i'm sure the pepsi commercial will be part of that i've seen so many made for tv movies and things where the hand comes up and he you know it was during the commercial and what that did to him i just i don't care if it was caused by the hairspray or not Who the fuck cares? I don't know. I don't know why this like pissed me off so much, but I just think someone would go, well, Heather, that's really what started, you know, him being in pain and where he got, okay, I guess, but I don't know. Okay. Now let's get into the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills a little bit of a very interesting thing that happened. So three of the girls, Kyle and Dorit and Rachel Zod, they go off to the Hamptons, which is fun to see them all at the surf lodge and having fun and, you know, pretty scenery. They didn't invite the other girls. And so Sutton and Erica Jane go to meet Denise Richards, who at this time of filming, the news had broke that she was getting a restraining order against her husband, Aaron, who also appeared on Real Housewives of Beverly Hills for physical abuse. And it was very good the way they shot the scene and what the girls were saying in their authentic moment that Erica and Denise had a good rapport and that they'd reached out to each other over hard time. So they meet. Denise shows up. She looks great. She's like, I'm six weeks out from having a facelift. I also, you know, had gotten my boobs done and I'd had these surgeries done. And she goes on to tell the story, which is, I think the story that the account that got her the restraining order. They did put at the end of the show that Aaron has denied all allegations of ever being abusive to anyone in his life, including Denise Richards. So I want to say that too. Going with that, she tells the story of how, you know, she just gotten surgery done, plastic surgery. So it's like six hours after having, you know, a 10 hour surgery and she's on meds and she needed his help to go to the bathroom. And I guess he took that moment to look at her phone and he claims that she was cheating with some guy that she met when she did special forces. So if that I'm putting it all together, I'm assuming he saw some type of communication with somebody else. And then she claims that's when he whacked her in the head while she was, you know, on painkillers or covering with like tubes coming out of her body because she had some fat removed. And so she was very honest about her plastic surgery and very honest about this account with the two of them, which I do think is very interesting about Real Housewives of Beverly Hills because Rachel Zoe is being really honest about her ex's situation as much as she can. And it's interesting. And same with Dorit is sharing a lot about what made her marriage end with PK. and that is being honest that's being interesting it's a it's a reality show so it's obviously very disturbing to hear all that and then um erica i mean yeah then erica says well i was there too and she reveals that after tom and her broke up and they were done she dated somebody not the current guy she's dating, who was also former special forces and military, she dated somebody else. And she said it wasn't serious. And it wasn't like you're my person forever, but they were enjoying each other. And it got physical. And I really appreciate her honesty about it. And she said it happened three times. And on the third time, she was like, that's it. This is not for me. You are not for me. People are speculating who it might be based on, you know, but she really wasn't seen romantically with anybody else. There was a rumor that she, Armie Hammer was her neighbor and maybe they dated a little and there was, you know, at times in the last season where she's like, oh, babe, I'm getting some. I think it was some random non-famous person that she has no public ties to. That's my personal opinion. Otherwise, I don't think she would. I think she's smart enough to not share that story. But anyway, I really appreciate the honesty. And I think it meant a lot to the people that watch the show. And it was very interesting. And we are all rooting for Denise. And when I ran into Denise, she just said all the ladies on the show have been so supportive. And remember, there's that there were scenes where he came off very verbally aggressive with the women. Where Erica was like, whoa, do you really want to talk to me like that? He's like, do you really want to talk to me like that? And then another time when they left a party and Denise and he were holding hands and she says, we're, we're mic'd, don't say anything. And he's like, don't tell me what to do. I'm going to fucking squeeze your hand off or something. And they put that in the show, you know, three or four years ago. So it's, um, you know, it's interesting that that was all like now come to fruition. It's like all of it was there, just like everything else. All the evidence is there and the signs are there and wasn't even hiding it and happy that both of them are out of those situations. I thought this was pretty interesting. So, you know, 50 Cent, he is always going after people, you know, from P. Diddy to whomever. I don't know what his beef is with Tiny and T.I., but he posted a photo of Tiny. in wasn't, I wouldn't be thrilled if it was taken from that angle. I think head on, she probably would have been happy with it, but it was just like an unflattering angle of her on stage and like a corset and boots and, you know, and, um, and he just posted it. And then T.I. and Tiny Sun went off and just was like, you know, a lot of bad words, a lot of N words, a lot of F words, $2.50. And he's like, how dare you post an unflattering photo of my mother? And then he goes, your mom's dead, $0.50. So why don't you get your mom from the graveyard and show a photo of her? How dare you do this to my mother? And this is coming from Neighborhood Talk, which is a popular Instagram account, and they kind of follow a lot of the hip hop world. and a lot of the comments in there were like they liked that he was defending um his mom and i don't know what do you think i i it's pretty aggressive video on his part but in this case i do feel like you know 50 started it but tiny and ti have a sword pass to look into that one and the things that people have accused them of the girls that say that that you know it was not consensual threesome activities or whatnot, allegedly. Love is Blind is on another season. And this is really taking off, really getting a lot of people to talk about it. There is this one guy on there and, you know, he's a cute guy. I'm not watching it. So I'm just seeing the clips. and I guess he gets with a very attractive actual doctor, like a real internist. And he sits there and tells her, I don't know, you know. So the way love is blind, just to remind you, works. They meet each other talking through a wall and then once they decide, yes, I want to marry you, they come out and then they follow like six to eight couples all hanging out at like a resort and then they go to their respective like condos and they follow them there and some get married and some don't. And so in getting to know each other now, they didn't know what they look like. I, you know, I'm watching them. They both look attractive, but he says to the girl who is a full on real doctor, you know what? In real life, meaning like not in a dating show, I always dated people that were into CrossFit or did like Pilates every day. So this is like a lot for me to adjust to like you not being a Pilates girl every day. And wow, obviously this has a big reaction from the audience. How could you not? Like you are, she's a doctor. Okay. And I'm just, you just see in your head and you know the girl crop top crop like a little bralette you know ponytail perfect Pilates body carrying her matcha definitely not a doctor you know which is great I'm sure those those girls are great too they're influencers they're models they're cute girls they have jewelry designs that they're doing with their mom though they're all you know and that's who he was dating. And, but he clicked with this doctor over the pods and, um, I don't know what this guy is going to do, but I'm guessing they don't get married, but I think there'll probably be some girl who will be very happy to date him who does Pilates every day. That's what's going to happen. So I'm watching love story. It's so good on Hulu. I just, I love it. And, uh, and of course it's getting people remembering that time and that interestingly, JFK Jr., the seat, the New York Senate seat had just opened up right before the tragic plane accident and that, you know, he was up for it. It was definitely considering it and people wanted him to and he was looking forward to getting into politics because the magazine was not a success. And, you know, and people look at their relationship. They're upset. The reason this is so juicy is because she, as we talked about in the last episode, the real Carolyn Bissette was not looking to be famous. She was not a thirst bucket. She had incredible confidence. And so everyone wonders, what is this fight about that we're going to see in the upcoming episodes that was caught by a paparazzi with all these, you know, uh, photos that were taken and there is more to it. And I found out what it was. And I think it's so relatable and makes so much sense. So what I know the fight to be about is it was not about cheating or another girl. It was, they were walking and they're walking, the dog and they were just out. And somebody that Carolyn knew was like, oh, hey. And so they were stopped and they were talking and he went ahead and was annoyed and didn't want to wait. Don. And that really pissed off Carolyn because she's like, oh my God, that was rude. And why would you do that? And I, you know, you get stopped all the time. We get stopped by paparazzi. We're always with your friends. We're always doing your thing. And here, my friend, a friend of somebody I know and you can be bothered to wait You that impatient Like no F you And that where that fight happened And when I heard this information I like that totally tracks that totally relatable I think that could happen with a lot of people where you just feel like why why is it always about you or why why would you be rude to my friend so um and then knowing that she was just always like I don't give a shit if you're the prince of America like I she had confidence like no other woman. I love that they referenced the rules in the episode. Um, you know, she's letting the answering machine pick up his calls instead of picking up the phone. And she's there with like her gay bestie, like working on an outfit or something. And the guy's like, what are you doing? Following the rules. I followed the rules. I would let the calls go to the answer machine because of the whole rule thing of the rules, which was this book was to make a guy think that you're so busy, you're out doing other things, you're out with other guys and making them wonder and making yourself a challenge. And I just feel like if you are a single person, um, and you're not that well aware of this story, watching how Carolyn did like hook this guy that everybody wanted because she really didn't want him that badly is very interesting. Now, other reports are saying, no, you know, she, there's a difference of the timeline in which she was into him. And then he went back to Daryl Hannah and she was pissed. And then when he came back to her again, she was weary. I think that's it. But then there's other reports that like, oh no, she, she knew he was going to be at this event at this Amazon rainforest thing and she wanted to get a ticket to go and like run into him. That could be true too. It was a game. And the way you won getting a guy like that was to play a game, do the rules. And most women wouldn't be able to stick with what the rules said of really playing hard to get, but she did. And right until the last moment of their last moments of their lives, you know, it was again okay we're going to a wedding it's his family's wedding we need to he wants to fly so we can you know and they left late and he didn't have the instructor there and you know and then there's conspiracy theories about what happened but I think it's clear in everything that it was literally it was cloudy and he was flying and he thought he was going straight in fact he was going down. That's what the reports were, but we'll see how they portray that part. I think they're just really going to focus on the relationship. But, um, and I also didn't know that Meryl Streep's daughter plays his sister in the movie, in the series. And I think she is a great, uh, Caroline. I think it's a really good match and I think she's a good actress and believable in it. So, um, lots of little, um, Nepo babies and stuff being cast in this, but I think they are all doing a good job. You guys do not forget if you are in the Salt Lake City area, March 20th and 21st, I'm doing four shows at the downtown Wise Guys Comedy. You can just go type in Wise Guys, Wise Guy Comedy Club in Salt Lake City, get your tickets before they sell out. And now I'm really excited for you guys here, this very interesting interview with a former real housewife and she tells all and it's so juicy. So enjoy. Guys, I am so in love with Olipop. This is my favorite flavor. It's Shirley Temple. It only has 50 calories. It makes having a treat so special. 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So it's really funny because when I, you know, got in contact with you, I'm like, I did know that there was a Real Housewives of Vancouver and it was done. When I started to watch it in preparation of this episode, I looked it up. And so it was you guys filmed in 2013. Yes. Yeah. It was a while ago. And so you and you only did two seasons. We did. So. Yeah. What. Tell me a little bit about like how it came about and why you chose to do it, because I always think that's the most important, most interesting part of like how someone's life changes when they make that decision. Well, you know, when I go back and think about it, It was one of the original, like it was when, like the Housewives of, what's the one, down in Orange County. So it was fairly new, like the whole franchise. So I didn't really know a lot about it. I was a singer. I had had records out in Canada. I'm from Ohio originally, moved to Vancouver. And I had had, you know, some success in the entertainment business, which was my goal in life to be in the entertainment business as a producer, as a writer, and as a singer. And I moved to Vancouver and I get this weird phone call from somebody who was like, oh, you know, you are on the short list for a reality show. And at the time, I had just gotten a divorce and I have three little boys. And I was like, hmm, OK, this sounds interesting. What kind of a reality show? And I didn't know at first until they sent me all kinds of NDAs and all kinds of like questionnaires. And I filled them out. And then they basically just said, it's the Real Housewives franchise. And I didn't know, at that point, I kind of thought it was Desperate Housewives. I thought it was kind of like that show, The Desperate Housewives. But as I kind of researched it, I thought, oh, you know what? I'm not going to fight with anyone. No one's going to fight with me. Yeah, I thought it would be a great stepping stone for me to do it. So I filled out all the applications. And then, of course, they called and said, guess what? You've been chosen. So I was like, oh, shit, what have I just gotten myself into? And lo and behold, I had no idea. So now that it's so far from today, can you tell us what they paid you? It wasn't a lot. I can tell you that. It was not a lot. It was around $40,000, I think. And how long were you at their beck and call to film? uh four to five months wow yeah and in like looking at the housewives and stuff before you got in what was your where did you have any concerns yeah because i my main concern was that i wouldn't be saying anything or doing anything or get myself involved in something that would embarrass my children they all went to catholic school they were young boys i was a single mom, you know, so I was like, I don't want anything to jeopardize them and to, and to make me, I would, you know, basically as a mother, as you know, you're, you are your kid's role model, your biggest, greatest, their greatest role model. And so I didn't want to ever get myself involved in something that was going to embarrass them and make them feel ashamed of me. So that was my main concern going in. And I also thought, why would women fight? Like, I didn't fight with my friends. I had no idea, like, what I was getting myself into. And did the producers say, like, before you went into a birthday party scene or whatever, would they try to entice you to get in some kind of argument for entertainment purposes? Never. Never. I never had anyone come up to me, any producer, any director say, you should do this, you should say this, this, it's such a, it's one of the biggest questions I always get is, is it scripted? And a lot of people believe it is. Now, you know, that was years ago. Now I don't know exactly how things work. It's a, it's a pretty well-known franchise now. And I think women kind of set their characters up or, you know, I don't think it's not scripted, like we're actors, but, you know, it, I never had anyone tell me what to say or try to entice me to say something that wasn't, you know, true. And I know now that it's airing again on Peacock, the drama has started. All of a sudden, I'm hearing from the housewives again that I didn't speak to for 10 years. And it's pretty freaking crazy. I have to say. And what are they saying to you? Like, can you share? Well, they're all saying, oh, it was scripted. Oh, production did this to me. I really was a good friend to you. And threatening emails and texts and stuff about if you say this, if you don't defend me, those kinds of things. And even now, like they're saying now, and are you getting a lot of, are you getting a lot of fans like finding your Instagram and asking you questions about it? Yes, quite a bit. I have to say, it's funny how the resurgence just sort of came back, but I think it's because I, I, I mean, first of all, I was shocked that it was coming back. I was, I just get a phone call in November. I got a phone call and they were like, oh, guess what? Real Housewives is coming to Peacock in the United States. Well, I'm from the U.S. My entire family, extended family, everybody's from Ohio. And I lived in L.A. for a long time. And I now am in Palm Springs. So I live basically in Palm Springs in Vancouver. So I was like, oh, no, what's what is going to happen? But I wasn't afraid of it because I felt I was authentic to myself. I didn't. I was proud of the way that I was able to handle myself on the show. And what I wish now that I maybe would have said more or, you know, been a little bit more bold in some of the things I said, probably. But, you know, it was it was shocking to hear after all these years, it's going to be replayed again. It's like, you know, my father said to me, well, you know what, it's kind of cool. You're just debuting 20 or 10 years younger. Good point, dad. Yeah. So you did two seasons of it. And did they pay you more for the second season? Was it a hit in Vancouver that like the first season, was it a big deal? The first season was the, I think to this day, the most watched show in Canadian television history. Wow Yeah, so it was unbelievably popular And so even now when I go into Canada I mean, like anywhere I go, I'm stopped quite often I loved you on the show, oh my gosh And sometimes I forget because it's been a while But yeah, the flavor for people wanting it to come back is massive And they do want a season three Do you get a lot? We'll get to that in a minute do you get a lot of people like you're just walking through a restaurant and someone's looking at you and they're like how do I know you oh yeah I get that a lot I always I get that too because I'm like at that level where like I pop up in someone's feed and they kind of remember me from a tv show or whatever and and it's always like so weird because then I have to be like well I'm a comedian no that's not it oh well I don't know did we go to high school together no we didn't go to high school together. Like now it's like an awkward thing. But most people, I just say I'm a comedian. They go, OK, yeah, that must be it. You know, whatever. So what do you say? Do you say I was on The Real Housewives of Vancouver? Yeah, sometimes I go, oh, I was a singer. I'm a singer. Maybe you saw one of my music videos. I usually start with that one and I go, no. I'm like, oh, you probably saw me on that damn reality show. And they're like, that's it. You were on The Real Housewives. But even here now, I'm getting recognized where I didn't as much. I do in the UK. I have in Australia. I'm not in Australia. Well, our show is in Australia. I haven't been to Australia. But in the UK, I got, when I was there, I was recognized a lot. But here now, I was at Ulta the other day, like literally on the ground looking at something on the floor nearly. And some woman kept walking back and forth, back and forth. And finally, I was like, OK, am I doing something wrong? Or is she stalking me? She was like, oh, my God, I just binged the entire like show on Peacock. And what are you doing in Palm Springs? And I was like, oh, my gosh. So she didn't expect to see me because she thought I was in Vancouver. But I'm still in the first season. But for the people that haven't seen it, which will probably be, you know, a good amount and then they'll go check it out. But like what what was the juiciest thing that happened in The Real Housewives of Vancouver that's that people would remember or reference or still can't believe happened? Well, I think the thing that most people say is how dark it was. I mean, a lot of them are dark, a lot of the franchises. But apparently from I don't watch many of them, I don't watch them hardly at all. But I I've heard it's the darkest franchise of all of them. And that's because of the bullying that went on. And, you know, I think that's the thing that shocks people the most because Canadians are nice. They're supposed to be nice. Yeah. But hey, I mean, I'm I'm good friends. A girl and my woman in my neighborhood, she and her husband are Canadian. And they really are so polite and so much nicer than everybody else, you know, and we'll be playing pickleball. And they'll always be like, you know, no, my ball was out. And then they say out the way Canadians say it. Yeah. Out and about. They always are honest about their pickleball game. And then I'll play with one of them and I'll be like, remember, you're American. We're going to beat these fuckers like no mercy. You can be Canadian when you're against me. But when you're playing next to me, you're an American, you know, exactly. So that that is interesting. Who like who was the who was being bullied? Well, I was the main focal point of the I was the victim. I was the target. And, you know, it's really interesting. So there were, it's sad to watch in some regards. Like I had, when it first came on, I had it on the television for a minute. I hadn't seen it in years and years and years. And who wants to watch it, right? It's just, it's hard to watch. And I was like, oh my God, I can't believe. Like, why would I, why would she say that to me? Even to this day, I'm in shock. So Jodi was the main villain of our show. And she was horrible. I never knew, I still don't know to this day, why she disliked me so much. I don't know if it was because I had already had a career and I had already had a lot going on in Canada. I had had seven top 40 hits. I did music videos, which is probably the reason they asked me to be on it. And I think she was, I don't know what it was. She just, she thought I was too nice. And I think a lot of the cast was like, we got to bring her down. She can't be that nice. so I think that's really why because I never said or did anything for them to want to victimize me at any point so and then the other woman was Ronnie who was my friend before the show we had been friends for many years and I actually suggested her to get on the show and really fought for her to to be a part of the show and they and they casted her on on it. And then she turned on me. So it was interesting. So it's been kind of a, it was really an awakening as to like, why do people act this way? And why would grown women treat each other the way that they did? Do you think that they were fans of the franchise and kind of realized that's the way to get the most airtime and get the most talked about? Like, If I'm going to go do this, I want to get something out of it, fame that could lead to something else. Why do you think that they were so different on camera? Gosh, I don't know. I don't think that Ronnie had ever seen it before. I don't know that she had. Maybe she had done a deep dive down a rabbit hole and did watch it. Maybe Jodi. But here's the thing. Why does somebody want to? They all have children. They all, you know, to me, it was like, do you not want to preserve your dignity? Do you want to just go and do something that is not authentic to you just for a television show? Is that because you got to live your real life? You're not an actor, you know, so she has been, you know, Jodi in particular has been just brutalized by fans, absolutely brutalized. And she and she's had a lot of bad things that have happened since the show. And like what? Well, I mean, she lost her she lost her business. She lost custody of her young daughter. She. Oh, really? You know, yeah, she had a lot of stuff that is that happened. Do you think all those things would have happened? Had she not been on the show or the show didn't help? um i don't know if they would have happened or not probably she would have still had that problem with her husband and her daughter but yeah and then her other daughter then her her older daughter who was on the show who was just horrible um she was you know the apple didn't fall far from the tree they gave the daughter a lot of time a lot of air time um and she ended up getting shot and her husband shot by gun yeah and shot the shoulder because she in canada yeah yeah Yeah, it was horrible. By whom? Who shot her? Somebody that her boyfriend that she was with at the time, she had a baby with him. I guess somebody was after him accidentally shot her and then eventually he did pass away How did he die I can remember how he died I not sure how he died Oh, my God. Yeah. So, I mean, there's a lot of tragedy. Not that I think anybody and even your darkest enemy should never. You know, I don't wish that upon anyone. But it's just interesting how even now that it's airing again, she's still on her social media saying that it was scripted and production did it. And, you know, just anything to make herself to redeem herself. And, you know, I'm not going to I just tell the truth. Like, but the truth is the truth. What came out of your mouth came out of your mouth. Nobody told you to say what you said or do the things that you did. So when it premiered and it was starting to air and stuff between the first and the second season, what was the reaction? Were you having a good time with the newfound fame? Was it stressing you out? You know, that's an interesting question because the fans to me were lovely. I had, you know, so many fans, people who, you know, I made so many good friends. So many wonderful people came up to me and said, I just love you on the show. And, you know, thank you for being the voice of reason and for having some grace. And that was really that was really nice because it's nice when you when you remain who you are and be authentic to who you are. And then people recognize that rather than being somebody you're not and and doing things like that would be out of character for you. So I it was wonderful. I had already had, you know, a little taste of that. I was, you know, throughout my life, I had been in Miss America. I had done a lot of really interesting things that I had been in the spotlight before. But it was just nice to know that even though I was having PTSD from being on the show and the women themselves were so, I mean, I didn't speak to any of them for years. It was absolutely, I had PTSD from that show and I didn't really want to do season two. But our contract stated that you didn't have the right to quit. They had the right to get rid of it. It's interesting because in all the housewives that I've interviewed, I think only one told me that. So when people say, oh, I'm not coming back and they act like it was their decision. Yeah, yeah. I have heard that, no, it's not your decision. You're signing a contract that you agree to do it. Does it expand a number of years or is it infinite? I mean, it's got to there's got to be a couple. I think it's got to stop somewhere. It's not a billion year like Scientology contract, huh? I think it was 10 years. I think it was 10 years. Oh, OK. Yeah. And so, yeah, they always have the option to pick you up. But I mean, essentially, you can get out of something. I mean, if you just were like, mentally, I can't do it. They're not going to put a gun to your head, you know? Yeah. I think you shouldn't do probably any other kind of TV for 10 years then. No, they had you under, you know, there are some strict guidelines. Couldn't write a book. You couldn't go and do a telltale, tell all that kind of stuff either. But, you know, in the long run, I think when I look back in retrospect, I think it did. It was a really good experience for me, again, only because not during it, not when we were filming it, but more so because of the things that I was able to do with that platform. And, you know, Housewives fans are forever fans. It's kind of interesting because my boyfriend is an actor and he's done like Weeds and a lot of really great shows. And he's like, wow, why is it that, you know, I've done all these shows and movies or series and people don't come up to me, but you did this ridiculous show and everybody's like, oh, hi, can I get your autograph? Hi, can I take a picture? And he's like, it's crazy. and I would say because it's a cult housewives is a cult it's that and it's also you are yourself yeah and so you're being yourself we've seen your home we've seen your kids we feel like we know you because you were yourself also an actor who plays numerous roles I think as a fan you're kind of taught like not to go up to those people and not to disrupt their dinner yeah you've you know hey it's just a reality star and she's being herself. And, you know, and I think when a reality star does rebuff a fan, it's unacceptable because it's like, you're not Julia Roberts, you know? So it's like, you better be nice. Yeah, exactly. And not that Julia Roberts would be rude, but at the same time, like, I just feel like people, you know, they're playing different roles. And so their privacy is their privacy. And by you exposing your life, you know, I see the cute boys in one of the episodes, they had their friends come over. When it came out and then you were going to do the second season, did they like being on camera? Did they resent it? Like, what was their point of view out of it all? My youngest son didn't like it at all. How old was he at the time? He was eight or nine, nine, I think he was nine. He didn't like it at all. And he didn't like, he didn't like that our home had become like a movie set or like a TV set, right? He didn't like the intrusion. The older two, they were okay with it. But again, they didn't like, they didn't want me to be hurt. And that was kind of what happened in the house. Like sometimes I'd go out filming and I'd come back and I'd be just devastated when we were out, you know, doing the show. And I'd come back just exhausted and totally like traumatized basically by some of the way that I was treated from the women. And, you know, somehow when you're a mom, a single mom, it's very hard to keep that completely tucked away. So they didn't want me to be hurt. So I think second season, none of them, I don't believe they were on second season and none of them watched it. And second season was worse than first season. So you have saved yourself. Well, I'll keep watching. I'm going to keep watching. I just started. Yeah, I think with Boys, you know, there was a time when I was kind of doing like a pilot, reality show pilot for my own show and they were going to be featured because it was about my life and it didn't go anywhere and years later my son confessed that he was like if that show was going to go I just wasn't going to participate and I'm like like he didn't tell me then but he hated it he didn't like it yeah he didn't like how they would make them redo stuff he didn't like all the cameras didn't like how long things took. And, you know, I think people have to think about that, like, you know, in putting their kids out out there, because you're basically making them work. And it's like TV is the only industry that allows for child labor laws not to be enforced. I mean, yeah, you couldn't make them work in a factory, couldn't make them work at a car wash, but like, you can put a mic on them or whether it's social media or whatever. And they just have to do it, you know? So it's like, I think that's really interesting. I think oftentimes just in general, young girls of housewives will like it, will want to do it because it's like a girly thing, you know, and you're with your mom and the boys are just like, not as thirsty, not into it. So. Yeah. Now my middle son is a, um, is a musician. He lives in Nashville. And during season one, I think it was, or season two, I recorded a song and put it out. And it was really great. It went number one in the UK and charted in Canada. And it was about him because he had had a seizure disorder as a child and had a lot of issues growing up with it. And so I wrote a song called Hero. And it came out and he played guitar on it. And now he's cut to 10 years later. He's now over 10 years. He's now in Nashville as a singer-songwriter playing every night. And so it's kind of cool to see that I have that all that treasure from Housewives where they recorded him and me singing in the music video and all that. So that was that was nice. And he was into it because he's a musician and artist. So he was like, OK, this is cool. Maybe this will help my career in the long run. I always remember Kris Jenner said that early on in the Kardashians. they were a family that you know was always taking photos and and had little whatever the latest video camcorder was so when the show came she was like oh my god of course I want to do it you know how how amazing to have you know beautiful edited memories you know this is before she knew would go on for 20 years but like if anything else how great like I have this and I do think it's And it must be so funny when I talk to the other housewives. Like I was with Jill Zarin of Real Housewives of New York. And I've known her daughter since she was 13. And a couple years ago, the first time they started to put all of them on Peacock, this is probably like five years ago or so. That's when I was at her house and we started to watch it from the very beginning. And Allie, her daughter, was like 14. and to watch it with them, they hadn't seen it in years. And we were just dying. We were laughing. We were like, like Allie was like for mom, like, mom, look at what you said to me. You sent me to a fat camp. Like, what the hell? And of course, she's beautiful and they're fine and they're still best friends. But like to look back and like laugh at it. It's yeah, it's just that part of that, I think, is really fun. You know, providing everybody is fine today. It's really fun to actually go back and watch that. We did a little bit of that over Christmas. I had all my kids down here in the desert. And because it was airing here, no one had seen it for 10 years at least. So we did put on a couple of episodes and they were like, oh, you know, laughing. We couldn't even get through like 10 minutes of it before. It was just like, Mom, why didn't you punch her? Yeah, well, I should have in retrospect. Yeah, well, I said, you guys would have been upset if I punched her. No, we wouldn't have. You should have punched her. So you said there's now talk of coming back. So have you heard from the producers saying like, hey, would you be interested and would it take place in Vancouver? Because you said you now live in Palm Springs. Well, I'm kind of back and forth. So I'm still spending something like when it's really hot here, like super hot in the summertime. I don't stay here. So I go back to Vancouver or I go back to Ohio to see my dad. But no, I'm pretty much part time. But yeah, they have reached out. And this was about maybe five months ago. And they had asked if I was interested in coming back and that they were trying to get a season three and they were trying to work it with a network. And I basically said I didn't know. And it depended on the cast. And so they they they're still working on it, from what I understand. And they weren't expecting the Peacock launch or ad. So I think that also might have incentivized, what's that word I'm trying to say? Incentivized. Incentivized. Incentivized them to do it. I mean, to keep going because now it's getting some U.S. exposure, which it didn't before, which was so weird when my whole family's here and all of a sudden they're watching it. I'm like, guys, oh my God, it was so long ago. And because it was called Real Housewives of Vancouver, do you ever know why Bravo didn't pick it up back in 2013? I don't know if at that point they were just wanting U.S. franchises. It wasn't that they were airing only U.S. franchises in the United States at that time. And then they started adding some other ones. But it was a Bravo contract that we signed. So it was they bought the rights from Bravo to air it or to produce it. And I'm just I'm just remembering that in 2014. I went we my husband and I went to like some Canadian like wellness hotel, something that had like all these treatments that you could get and need chirogenics and all that kind of stuff. Wow. And they said, oh, we had the real house as a Vancouver here. Oh, were you at like the Crystal? Yes, Crystal. Crystal place? Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We were all there. That's true. That is true. Can you remember if that was season one or two? I definitely want to keep watching. I think it was season one. Okay. I don't think I've gotten to it yet. And that's so funny. And I know, yeah, I have a house in La Quinta as well. So, So, yeah, there's so many people that are Canadian that live there for half the year and then go back to Canada. You have to let me know when you're out here. We should go for a cocktail. Wait, I'm going to be there this weekend. Are you here this weekend? Yeah, and we're going to go out in Palm Springs. Oh, my gosh. We're going to come out on Palm Springs Friday. I always say Palm Springs because nobody knows Rancho Mirage. I'm actually in Rancho Mirage. Okay, well, we're going to be out this Friday and Saturday with my girlfriends. friends and we're going to go to yeah we're going to go I know we're going to go to dinner she what we're going to uh bar issey no bar issey down there the Thompson yeah hotel yeah yeah yeah and then um I don't know but no I'll get your number I'll have your number from the email okay and then and then maybe we'll go out because it'd be fun to see you in person yeah absolutely or or whatever or the next time. What? Sure, why not? Who cares? This is part of the show. Okay, yes. Okay, so we're going to do a little ending. We can cut out that meeting together. Should I just give my number out for everyone? Yeah. So, okay, so we're going to wait to see if it comes back. I know you have a podcast. Can you tell us a little bit about your podcast? I do. This is my second podcast. I took a hiatus around COVID and I just came back to the Mary Zilva podcast. And I really interview people who interest me. Like it's kind of a hodgepodge of everything. Like I've got coroners on there. I've had many doctors. I'm very interested in medicine and wellness and things like that. And I've had on reality people. I just recently had on somebody from who was an NDE, a Harvard doctor who had an NDE, a near-death experience. And that was we haven't aired that one yet. But, yeah, just really fascinating people. I just find, you know, I find interviewing people to be fascinating. I always have. That was my degree in television broadcasting and journalism. And I just find people that I that I just think other people would find fascinating as well and just love hearing their stories. So if it was to come back and go straight to Peacock or Bravo and Peacock, what do you think about BravoCon? Is that something, I mean, now the world is so different as far as the opportunities that come from being on a show like this, as far as brand deals and the exposure that those opportunities just didn't exist when you did it 12 years ago. Does that excite you? Yeah, I think that's exciting. I mean, to be able to, you know, anything that you can utilize as a platform for yourself and to do things that maybe you wouldn't normally be able to do or to be able to help people. And, you know, that's one of the things that I've always known that I've always wanted to do is to be able to be involved in charitable work as well, in which my whole life I've done. And so over the course of me being on The Housewives, I've raised probably over $3 million for charity. And just having a platform is an amazing thing. And I also am really interested in helping women in many ways and finding their confidence in their place after the nest is empty and trying to figure all of that out and who we are after that, because I'm going through that now. So I'd love to talk more about that subject on my podcast as well. and aging parents that are the sandwich generation of trying to figure out who you are while you're still worried about your kids and you're still worried about your parents and you're still and you're just like, who am I? So, yeah. So I love that idea of being able to, if BravoCon would be something. I mean, again, though, BravoCon is very, it's all about the show, isn't it? I mean, really. Yeah, it's a whole nother aspect that's gotten kind of made the people it's kind of some people see it think it's sort of ruined the the women on these shows because it put them at this rock star level because the fans are just like treat them like the Rolling Stones or something. and before, it's true. It's like when I was really into the Real Housewives of OC and stuff, they were very humble. They were like, oh, wow, you watch and, oh, you know, oh, my God, I can't believe that you're like into it. And this is so exciting for us to go to dinner with you or whatever because there wasn't social media. They just didn't have that kind of stuff going on. Even if they were doing commercials and stuff, It was still like once the cameras were down, they went back to their normal life and everyone in their neighborhood like ignored them or whatever. And I don't think it's really like that anymore. No, and I think that's one of the fans. One of the things I heard with our show coming back is a lot of the fans like the OG, right? They like the original shows because of that factor, what you just talked about. Yeah. Where they don't seem as maybe put on as, you know, they're not a seasoned. We weren't as seasoned. So I think a lot of people have to watch that. I'm sure you did your own hair and makeup. I mean, now every time the cameras come, they have the glam, which you have to pay for yourself. You have to pay for your glam yourself, at least you do. And, you know, and you probably know that, too, from when you did it. If you're going to host a party or whatever, they didn't pay for that, right? No, they did. They paid for parties. Oh, they did? Okay. Yeah, for the most part, they did. But it was, you know, the makeup bar. They did have some makeup artists, but it was more for the confessionals only. Right. That's what I heard. Yeah. Yeah. It's only for that. But everything else, you bought your own clothes. You did. You know, there was no. Yeah. No bells and whistles, really. Right. Well, I'm excited to continue to watch it and have everybody watch it and get in touch and hang out with you out in the desert. So tell everybody what your Instagram is so they can follow you. OK, it's at Mary Zelba. Everything is just at Mary Zelba. I have nothing fancy. And then on YouTube, it's the Mary Zolba podcast. And yeah, I would love to anybody who wants to come listen to some interesting guests. I have plenty of them on the podcast. Well, that's awesome. Thank you so much. It was so nice talking to you. Thank you. Everybody, check out the two seasons. And also, it's kind of nostalgic because it is like 12 years old. So it's kind of fun to watch as it escape. Real Housewives of Vancouver on Peacock. Thank you. Thank you, Heather. Thank you.