Nick Wright on Josh Allen's future, Stafford's Hall of Fame case, Belichick to Bills? | 01.21

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I do feel like the NFC championship game is the Super Bowl in a real way that it hasn't felt like a conference championship game is the Super Bowl sense. Mate like Pat Colts in oh six or Niners Cowboys in the 90s where it just seems like what that given what's happened to Denver and given how shaky the Pat's offense has looked. It does seem like Seahawks Rams. The two best teams all year are going to be playing for the Super Bowl a couple of weeks before the Super Bowl. All right. You know, we can get on this one because I think that this is an interesting question because I think the NFC championship game is the Super Bowl. If the Rams win. If the Rams win, I think they got it. I am not moving off my Sam Donald is going to fall apart as some far in square. I just can't do it until I see him go through three rounds of the playoffs without falling apart. I just can't assume that he's not going to fall apart. But so here would be my the my question would be if they beat the Rams. I don't think he's going to have to play great for them. Like I think there's they have shown over the last two months really because ever since that first Rams game when he threw four picks, he has been decidedly mediocre and they haven't lost right. Like I think he's at nine touchdowns eight picks. He's averaging like around 200 yards per game. They have been so good in every other facet that even if you are anticipating a matchup where he is going to struggle, it feels like if they get through the Rams, he could play a similar game to what he played in week 18 against the Niners where he does 120 yards not much of anything and they win anyway. I am been wildly impressed at just how well rounded that roster is, how good that defense is. So I don't I don't think believing the Seahawks can win or going to win the Super Bowl is the same as believing in Sam Darnal. I think that he has been the last couple of months just staying out of the way and that's worked really well. Yeah, so I think I agree with you in the sense that if what we're saying is if he can just keep being in, yeah, right all the way through then you're right. If I believe that that level you were discussing was the floor, I would say yes, who if Seattle wins this game, then they're going to get it. I think that the floor is underwater and the floor is still on the the floor that we have previously seen. I think it's still on the board unless they have just completely figured out a way where okay, we don't need anything from you like Shanahan managed to do for law stretches with Jimmy Garoppolo, but then it reached a point. We got to come back and win in the fall apart. And that's why that's why I actually, I like the Rams this weekend in large part because I don't think Seattle can blow out the Rams. And if it's close late, that's when you are going to need one of the quarterbacks to make substantial plays. And I know this is where we're supposed to start. I kind of screwed you up. But I believe in Matt Stafford. I think a lot more than you do or at least I have more affection for Matt Stafford's career than you do. And I think Stafford is about to, if it's close late, I trust Stafford even against that defense. And I think that's the Rams aside from a quarter and an overtime this year against Seattle in their second matchup have just been the best team in football this year. So I want to be very clear about something because I think you nailed the distinction here. This 2025 hyphen 2026 version of Matt Stafford is that dude, right? I am not, you are not going to hear me make the argument that the version of Matt Stafford that we've seen so far this year hasn't been great. If he wins MVP, you're not going to hear me say, damn, I don't understand how they did that. It is the overall assessment of his career that drives me crazy, right? So you and I both, you know, historical guys when it comes to talking about these things. We like stacking all these things up. All I'm asking everybody about Stafford is, when did you start believing that he was one of the five best quarterbacks in the NFL? Or because we're talking in many cases with him the rarefied era of the Hall of Fame, when did we start thinking that he was one of the top three quarterbacks in the NFL? And the answer to that last question is never including right now where most of us would say the top three quarterbacks in the NFL were patching my homes, Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson. That's why when it gets into this, well, you know, Stafford's going to go to the Hall of Fame. We never said like the way we talk about Josh Allen as a Hall of Famer now and Lamar Jackson as a Hall of Famer now. We never said that about Stafford in the first decade of his career. And while we could say that that is because will you know you play for the Detroit Lions, all I'm saying is that playing for the Lions is not so clearly mystical magical spell. The guarantees will always be terrible because Jared fucking golf has not been terrible while he has been there. As I've said before, poor Matt Stafford having to throw to ball to Calvin Johnson early in his career. Am I goodness? Well, I listen. And so I think both can be true. First of all, the Lions pre-Dan Campbell and post-Dan Campbell might as well have just be moved cities and changed logos. They are a different team since your guy Dan Campbell's gotten there. But to answer your first question, when did we look at Stafford as a top five, much less a top three quarterback? Never until he got to the Rams. And since he got to the Rams, this is where I think you and I maybe view him differently. I do if you I understand that the quarterback big four for the last half decade has been Patrick Josh Lamar and burrow. I and Stafford has been on the outside of that. But I also think it might be fair to ask is that fair given what he's doing right now. If Stafford the moment he gets to the Rams, they win a Super Bowl. And then in every playoff appearance since he's been there, he's been excellent. And this is where I, you know, my quarterback grading system is, you know, everybody has their own. But I weigh playoff performances by quarterbacks like finals at fancy colleges. Like you can be a perfect student all leading up to it, but the final 60% of your grade. And that's really going to determine if you sink or swim. And he's been now these playoffs, he actually has been somewhat mediocre. I mean, he was just good last game. He just has right. But it's weird because six of the other eight quarterbacks this weekend just eat all over themselves. Like he just he at least didn't turn the ball over. And so I when you talk Stafford and Hall of Fame, what is to me. In general, I agree with you like Philip Rivers. I don't care what the counting stints are at no point in his career or Jason Witten, where we definitely agree. If there was never a single moment where anybody thought you were the best in the league for Witten's case. And in Philip Rivers case, if there really wasn't a single stretch of time where people thought you were top three at your position, how are you a Hall of Famer. So for Stafford, if the if he wins the MVP, and it's like, okay, so he has a Super Bowl championship, a league MVP, and the crazy counting stats. If he wins this Super Bowl, it's a no it's he's obvious no doubt he's going to be all a Famer. Even if they don't, he got to a functional franchise, they instantly won at the highest level. They have been in in the mix every year except one and his numbers, the counting numbers are crazy. You had an MVP to that to me that certainly jumps him ahead of Eli Rivers, Matt Ryan, Cam Newton, and on the next stop after Farve and Rogers get in to me, it jumps in ahead of Russell Wilson as far as the next quarterback to be a Hall of Famer. I think Rivers is an interesting comp because I agree with you that at no point did Rivers seem like the best quarterback in the league, but to be fair to Rivers, there were years when he did put up you are the best quarterback in the league stats, right? Like eight and a half yards in a tent by big things. He just how about this is where it gets fun. We will give Matthew Stafford credit because he had Lions juice all over him back in the day and we know that puts a cap on what you do where the real hold up for Philip Rivers is covered in charges juice and like, hey, maybe the defense can stop us from. We can win this game with the defense could just stop him on this last drive, which is like the story of the Phillip Rivers career. We don't cut him slack on this. Maybe I am just taking up for the hot a little blue blue right now, but I'm just saying the least scrutinized number one overall pick that was never ever truly asked to. Okay, and I want to say that because I think that there was a level of request that he elevate the Rams somewhat once he got there, but with the Lions, if you, if you're a guy, are we talking about him be. We're not waiting until your 13th year in the league and then wow, now the guy looks like a hall of fame or never seen anything like it, but I've also never seen a guy keep getting better for as long as he seems to have managed to keep getting better. Well, the point you made is a point that my pal Eric Manjeanie makes all the time, which is because he loves Stafford, but he always puts the yeah, but he was like, but I always struggle with the fact that if he's that guy. Why was he never able to elevate the Lions, he's like everybody else that is we talk, you know, Joe burrow at least temporarily elevated the bangles the bangles are well begun franchise like why why was he not able to elevate the Lions as the question mark on his career. And this is where sports and legacies and things can be unfair while the chargers weren't as tortured historically as the Lions, they are quite torture historically and what Philip Rivers had going against him obviously was being in the wrong conference in the arts and the tens when you have Brady and Manning and big Ben with great franchises and great teams all blocking his way. If Philip Rivers in year 12 had been traded to the Tampa Bay box and they instantly want a Super Bowl and went on a run, then I do think we look at Philip Rivers as a Hall of Famer like Rivers, we didn't get an opportunity with another franchise until he was, you know, a shell of himself. And so there are some yet do I think that if Matt Stafford is a plate his whole career with the Lions, we'd be seeing this out of him. Probably not now do let me refuel. What I think is an interesting thought because if if Matt Staff replace for the Dan Campbell Lions correct that's what I was about to say if they keep him and that you have this Dan Campbell Renaissance and Brad Holmes drafts these guys then maybe we do finally see it, but I just I think that I think he's been the best player in the league this year. Yeah, I think that next year's you know, if he doesn't so here's let me ask you another question this maybe we'll get us to the bills. If the Rams win the Super Bowl and Matt Stafford is excellent in the Super Bowl and does not retire. Oh, doesn't retire does not retire. If he does retire, it's all different thing. He does not retire. Going into next season. Do people have to say he's the best quarterback in the NFL given the other contenders. Yeah, what their seasons were or what they ended with. No, it is always. It's always a fascinating question. The difference between you played the best this year and you are the best player, right? And this is the one thing I was I want to say about Stafford is that you put together one of them Stafford highlight cut ups. There's no way I'm explaining you that that guy's not a hall of famer like the Fred Taylor Internet discussion from a couple of weeks was interesting because I'm like Fred Taylor perhaps a hall of fame player who did not have a hall of fame career. Now Stafford winds up with two rings and MVP and a Super Bowl MVP, which I would presume that he would then also win. Yeah. Oh, okay, that sure looks like a hall of fame career there and he's not Eli Manning where he was a middle of the road quarterback the entire way. Like he's going to get in and it's okay shrug. That's why I say though if they don't win this one this year going up against Jared Stittum, um, a 17 year old Drake May and Sam Darnel. Hey man, get out my face. That's that's where I'm going with that on him, but you're right. If he comes back next year, assuming his back doesn't fall apart, then why wouldn't he be the best player because man, he may some throws in that game that even though he didn't play that well against that one opposite hashtro that he made in the air's game. I was just like, what are you talking about? Well, and it just the best quarterback in the league discussion right now because the other the other avenue is this one. Stafford plays poorly this weekend and they lose. And the Denver crowd gets to, you know, a young quarterback in his first road playoff game and we end up with a darn old Stittum Super Bowl and that's the Super Bowl. You know, I obviously believe and think I have reason to art to believe the best quarterback alive discussion is silly because it's clearly Patrick Mahomes. But that has become a very unpopular opinion. People throw up spacer in the last few years. That people are almost dismissed Mahomes. So if the Rams, if the Rams and the Patriots lose this weekend, their quarterbacks don't play great. The first and second MVP candidates. And we get a kind of weird Super Bowl. Who are we going to take Mahomes out of it? If you don't want to say it's Mahomes, are we really going to say after Lamar misses the playoffs and his coach gets fired. He's the best quarterback alive. That's going to be tough for me. I'm going to say Josh Allen after the worst playoff game of his career. He's the best quarterback alive. That's going to be tough for like it's it'll it'll almost feel like if it's not Patrick, it's a vacant championship belt, which probably leads us to the Josh Allen discussion. Yeah. Now one point I'm going to make that's really interesting when you talk about that with Mahomes because I'm with you, right. You could throw these stat lines out there and they're perfectly fair, right. I don't know where to stop from the best quarterback I've ever seen is not performing statistically in that way. That is Damirino after a certain point in his career. You know, he was 1984 in 1986. It was never like that again after those seasons, right. But it makes me now understand the people who will tell you that John L. Way was the best quarterback that they thought they'd ever seen. And he was that dude and then you go look at them. John L. Way stats and they are absolutely nothing to write home about. And then you watch a John L. Way clip and you're like, oh, okay, God, it's a quarterback, right. Like the stats in football don't mean what they mean in other places. It's so much more amorphous like our explanations for what everybody is. And now that gets us to Buffalo because you and I talked about this over the weekend. We've never seen a team that responded. We've never seen a guy seem to be as broken at the end of that game. I was shocked that people were shocked that they fired McDermott a given how close they had been to firing McDermott the year before. But to hey man, it's just somebody loses their job after stuff like this happened. This is how it goes. But I to admit that I did not think that this would mean that the general manager would get promoted to the president of football operations and it's one thing to say hey McDermott's got to go. It's another thing to say it's McDermott's fault and you know they they're saying this because the general manager got promoted to president of football operations. Yeah, I didn't think that this was of all the seasons to say McDermott under achieved. It didn't feel like this was a fair one. Now we've talked about this before. It is every coach quarterback ever that's won a Super Bowl together won their first within five years. This was your eight for Lamar Harval. This was your eight for McDermott Josh. So it might have just been we can't keep running it back and especially after that team looks shattered looked absolutely shattered in a way. I do not remember a team being shattered after a divisional round loss loss. They seemed more shattered at least at the podium than the 13 seconds game which also was a divisional round loss. So I get why you say we have to turn the page. It is puzzling to me and maybe it shouldn't be maybe it's as simple as the guy sits next to him during the games has a relationship with them has you know been talking to him. All season long and the GM has ingratiated himself to ownership but it is puzzling to me that a team that hasn't made a mid season acquisition that moved the needle at in a half decade that has had you could argue for consecutive really shaky drafts whose biggest swings in free agency have all been misses that that guy. That that guy gets a raise out of the promotion out of this presumably a race yeah presumably a raise to that part of it was stunning to me and it also felt like the only person either. The only person related to the bills playoff loss or the person related to bills playoff loss whether it's player coach or media member covering it that most acutely understood what happened in that loss was Josh Allen who I think the reason he was so broken up was because he felt like he had screwed it up for his teammates which by the way is accurate. And that is not a an indictment meaning you can't you're not a great player you can't be a great player but Josh was devastated because he's the best player on the team he's the leader he's what everything runs through and he had the worst playoff game of his life in one of the worst games of his maybe the worst game of his regular of this whole season and that's why they lost he got it in a way a lot of other people seem to refuse to get it. Yeah, that was the take that we had over here was just that he wants to be accountable I don't understand why it is that nobody else will allow him to be cursed out many have four turnovers one of them a flat out Kirk out that into the first half turnover that was comically that's indefensible for a player in the eighth year of his career by the way they weren't going to get anything out of that play right like that was every now that I say this about guys they can typically get better but rarely do they change it's not a bad player. And Alan is the rare player that it feels like got better and in some fundamental ways changed over the years except that right there was in the Josh Allen DNA right like he was addicted to shit like that back in the day and maybe he had been going to meet and they got them 12 steps he been in there talking to people again through and he just had a relapse. Well, that's why I mean that's why I also he's obviously he's the greatest wild card round quarterback and I don't even say that sarcastically. Like statistic he's unbelievable in the wild card round and in the two rounds after that he's been quite good he's only been truly great one time in that 13 seconds game but he's been quite good consistently but there has been a lot of happens to the player that you know we always reference in this first playoff game ever throwing the lateral behind his head you know in the waning moments of regulation. In the on the first drive of the AFC champion that divisional round game it was what it was one of the last two years one of the playoff losses to the chiefs on the very first try on third down on a designed quarterback run he panicked and through a 15 yard forward lateral to a teammate on the first drive of the game on the fun. Final drive of that game he had to play very similar to one at the end of the first half where he's running with the ball all loose it gets batted out of his hands the chiefs almost scoop and score to win they end up kicking it the bills get the ball back and leads the basketball goal in in the AFC championship game last year he had three fumbles they happen to recover all three so he has been playing with this five. So he's a player in these biggest spots they've just been getting away with it and my my biggest issue with and I want to be too medic here but like the Josh Allen discourse is is can be summed up in this. Because the because it's gone past he's the best quarterback in the league and it's gotten to people saying he is as talented as any quarterback to ever live yes is the best is one of the greatest players in league history. Have we ever in any sport given that type of anointing or it declaration for a player who has never led the NFL in any past major passing category has never been first team all pro has never won a championship or been to a championship round and who while he is an MVP has two. Guys exactly his ages contemporaries who have more MVP's I people like there is somebody asked me the other day like how much of Josh Allen right now is similar to brawn you know before he won his first championship like brawn in 2012 and I said man brawn in 2012 had been the consensus without a shadow of a doubt best player. Across at least five consecutive or Kobe fans will get mad at me call it three consecutive regular seasons had been to the championship round twice including once his fourth year in the league right we know at 22 years old there was proof of concept like everyone. It's not that patent manning before you finally what broke through in one in the playoffs was universally accepted as in the regular season the best quarterback in the league and we knew that because he won more in B P's in during his early part of his career didn't any other players playing against he led the league in passing led the league in touchdowns and so Josh doesn't have that and also has. I was listening to barnwell and then i'll stop ranting and i think bill is the smartest person covering football and i text bill about this. Bill talked about the play right before the end of the half and he put a little bit on and i'm pulling up what i text him because it's the exact quote he put a little bit of it on make dormit for not making it clear to Josh basically timescore situation and bill set and i quote you have to be aware. You have a lunaticic quarterback and like if that's it if that is table stakes to Josh Allen then that has to be a part of whether or not he's the best player in the league. Man that to me is like the fair piece of it that's the hashtag gtbw of it all man that the idea that you got to work around his white man's limitations and if you don't that's. Your fault the it's the rooting and you know you know this is you know you down with us they're saying we have to cook out a showhouse baby so you don't necessarily wind up in these situations it's the rooting for Josh Allen that really came to surface. In this loss right it's it's such a tragedy that he just can't get this win while. The juxtaposition has to be my homes that's the only explanation for how this gets to be where it is and that whenever Allen does something we don't go to. Hey man this is on him it goes to well you have to build an infrastructure around him because you know you might burn down the house well and i and i reject the premise of. Will they wouldn't that team would have been terrible terrible without he brought them there if not for him they wouldn't have had a chance if that is the rules of engagement. On player criticism when they play poorly in a big spot then we can never criticize any NBA player for playoff performance because every single NBA superstar which the closest comp to star quarterback is NBA superstar. Every NBA superstar ever. The reason their team is where they are is because of that guy so if that therefore means that when James Harden goes to for 13 with nine turnovers we can't be like. He cost him the game or and must and folks will be like well. With the with the 2017 rockets have been in that game without him it's like no they wouldn't of but that doesn't mean he's not accountable for how we played in that spot I and as far as you meant the the. The here is the thing that I will say about the racial dynamics at play in quarterback discourse. I think people are too easy on Lamar as well. Oh yeah we talked about this where they're a little fray they they went too far to start. Correct so they're afraid to come back although I think that was always tricky because the internet make sure that we see those people who have no such fear. 100% but I don't I disagree with folks who are presenting it as if Lamar gets pilloried and Josh gets a pass. I do think Josh gets a pass when he plays poorly but I think a lot of the people who give Josh a pass also have been telling me the last five years that Lamar is the greatest passer in the league and that Lamar's team like I I see. A lot of folks that want to give seemingly everyone a pass except they and maybe that's the nicer way to do this I don't know maybe that's the way I should do it but I just it's to me very obvious that we have elevated players to a place they haven't quite yet earned in Lamar and in Josh. And then when they are held to the standard of which they have been elevated which is best player alive and both of them have been called that repeatedly by certain folks during Patrick Mohams is prime when they are held to a Patrick Mohamsian standard and fall short pointing that out is considered unfair or why are why are we not looking at the roster construction and those such things. And I think that's I think that's full. All right. So I think one thing before we go to break I think there's an important distinction to be paid one I'll be honest I have not seen much of the Lamar's best player alive even with the MVP's I don't see I don't I don't see as much as that but again the algorithm gives us what will infuriate us and they know you. Number two the difference in this case between Alan and Lamar and I do get your point about some people cut Lamar too much slack is even the people that cut him slack when his team loses in these games or take when Mark Andrews drops that ball in the end zone. I do not recall the prevailing response on television being what a shame it was that that happened to Lamar Jackson right and that like I agree with that. Yeah that that's that's where I think there's one the thing with the Josh out of stuff is it's one thing to give him slack when he comes up short the other part is the people outright rooting for him like he's their child. No, the whole that part the entire media a week ago banged on Lynn Jones the Jacksonville older lady for rooting for the Jags. And was like that's not what we do and then. Went out publicly and said my heart breaks for Josh Alan yes like that and so and and again I'm a weird messenger on this as you look over my shoulder and there's a Kansas City star framed Patrick Holmes but I don't claim to be a neutral like I try to be fair to everyone but I root for the chiefs my Holmes my favorite player so like and I the so you know that going in folks that claim that they're not rooting for anyone when they are obviously and by the way I don't think for money that is like a phenomenon that is unique to Alan I think folks did the same for patent when it felt like man this is a great player as I'm broken through. Oh boy oh I disagree I feel like when when the going got tough for Manning we were all on his neck about it right. Oh that's true and I don't I don't think that we that collectively the get on Josh Alan's neck thing the closest we got is at the beginning of that one season where people started pointing out that he was turning the ball over all the time and then by the time that season turned around people were apologizing for the fact that they had the nerve to go count things up and balance them against each other and then speak to us about that which they have seen it's a wild one but I'm gonna do this we're gonna go to break right fast because there is something else above law I want to talk about before we get out of here which is where they go from here and I think they're about to do something stupid and I'll tell you what it is coming up next. Every Friday from 6 to 7 30 it's NBA happy hour on fan duel your pregame for the weekend we're talking limited time specials you won't want to miss boost bonuses surprises all dropping in the app during happy hour. 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Again so little this is ever Josh Allen's fault but the stuff that's around it you hear about different guys that may wind up getting the job to be their head coach off as a coordinator I think it's Davis web that people have talked about giving him the job because he says Josh Allen is his best friend and that seems like the worst person to give a job the act will better imagine they're going to give it so so to be fair but even if he's a coordinator right like that he's the guy's best friend is too close. So what I was going to say is to be fair this is a weird one in that the now that maybe they are incredibly tight but Davis web called Josh Allen his best friend that is a good person to be there that's not all in my Josh Allen might have read that it quote three years ago like I mean we're cool like I don't know I have no idea maybe they are best men weddings I'm not sure but that's always a weird one. I you know I I forever a little quick anecdote have called Danny Parkins who I went to college with and we worked with and we're together in Kansas City. I'm the godfather of his kid he was the best man at my wedding if there was a wedding I've always called him my best friend and then he wrote a book with a guy named Ben Kaplan. Yes and I saw I'm doing an interviews multiple interviews about the book and he talked about how it was so gratifying to write a book with his best friend and I'm like I didn't write no fucking book. What happened here and so there's always the concern that one person's best friend is not someone else's with so but I let the three people we hear are Davis web Joe Brady and Brian Dable and that to me is I'm not as as head coach I think Dable is often to coordinators very interesting but I'm not in I think it is incredibly risky to trust. What I would imagine will be another three maybe four years of Alan's prime to a first time head coach and I think it'd be risky to trust it to Dable who I didn't think covered himself in glory when he's it was screaming at doctors in the medical tent because he needs to get Jackson dark back in the game so he can call more quarterback driven runs like that all is concerning to me and these both these jobs we pulled this on the show yesterday. Since 1970 here are the full list of head coaching jobs where you walk into guy who is one league MVP who's not yet 30. Farve twice because homegrown left for more power they in fire him right he left they hired Ray Rhodes Ray Rhodes was one and done they hired Mike Sherman. And then Lamar this year and Josh this year that's it in 50 years we've never had the only time we had a job opening like this was when Mike homegrown opted into leaving the packers and now we have two of them and they are such. Obviously important hires because I don't think Josh or Lamar are going to be. You know look playing at the level that Stafford or Brady date in their late 30s because of who they are stylistically so they are when the championship next year jobs are you going to trust that to a first time head coach like I don't know what they're going to do I don't know what the right move it's well I'm a huge couple things first Danny Parkins has referred to you to you to me as his best friend before that's happened he's had it that now I'm. It's weird though I've been called best friend by people like while in their face of it like huh really what I did to how I got to the top of the power records this doesn't speak very much to your quality of friends but to in line with what you were saying the Davis Web thing was a segue to me to the one that I think it's a terrible ideas. Dave. I like what do you have some of these guys that people talk about giving other jobs to I'm like what do they have to do. Dave was what 20 and 40 and one or something like that with the giants and he loses his shit and that's a thing to me about a head coach like the way he talks to people when things are going well or as you pointed out going in the tent to try to save his job with Jackson Dart and everything else no no no no no that team that just look like it was broken that little man is not the one that you make the head coach of that operation like that is craziness to me that they would think to do that. I agree but that that then leaves us so then we're in this weird spot where first time head coach is such a crapshoot yeah. And then the not like I would I think you will think this is a terrible idea I would try to hire Belichick and I would I knew you would say that let me make the case for it. I would trust that that man's ego and vindictiveness. And seeing the patriots rise up this year without him would fuel him to tap into what the best stuff he has left and be like listen this is a three year thing. Can you get the bills a super bowl that there is you and here's the deal your all that power and stuff you wanted you don't have it and my guess is your girlfriend's not going to be a huge fan of Western New York in the fall and the winter. So I don't know how much will be seeing her during football season anyway, but I you we know the floor you bring to the table. Hey that to me I don't think Tomlin is coaching this year and I don't know how much coaching again. Yeah, I'm not sure. And so so who who are you going to hire like it can't be Mike McCarthy Mike McCarthy can't be the answer here. So then you're just rolling the dice with a first time head coach that seems so risky man and the same applies by the way for Baltimore like Baltimore. It feels less risky because I think they do have enough organizational infrastructure that if you wanted to go with whether it's another defensive mind a guy whether it's Flores or Jesse mentor or something. You feel like they could grow within the job and Lamar gives you a floor for the offense but and they just draft better than Buffalo so I don't I don't know what the right hire is and I don't know that the bills know what the right hire is. I think both of those teams there is also a question of have your star quarterbacks peaked and that doesn't mean that they're going to be terrible after this but both of them play games that are heavily predicated on athleticism. And both have taken their blows you may have seen the best of them physically at this point now of course they both gotten much better at the mental parts of the game and so they can figure out ways to get it done from there but the quarterbacks that they had are not necessarily the quarterbacks that they are going to have in the future and the idea that you can build this team Buffalo is built a much more Helio centric operation with Josh Allen that I'd say the Baltimore has with the March Jackson but still you're going to need to figure some stuff out around both of these. But to your point because if Bill's and Ravens fans are listening and be like no like with the we are going to have MVP caliber play from our quarterback without a doubt next season find so be it but you're overall point whether they have peaked or not is definitively true which is there the window of Allen and Lamar being in the discussion for best. And I think that the second quarterback alive or second best quarterback alive I think for both of them is around the next three years max and because of that that means you can't screw around with the 2026 season it's why they both fired long time had coaches it is the ultimate pressure of the moment the additional issue the Ravens have that the bills don't luckily for the bills is just that stuff is about to pop back up this offseason and be I think a difficult negotiation in this regard I thought that press conference that Bishadi gave that everybody loved there was real news in it when he said listen we want to get this done by March we don't think it's going to be a hard negotiation and he said and I'm paraphrasing it's almost a direct quote yeah all we do is take the kind of thing that we're going to do it. And I think that the contract he has and change the number which is I do not think what Lamar wants Lamar wanted a guarantee deal before he want one another MVP and was a two time first team and the lead colluded against him. So I just if Lamar would take the exact same contract structure just with you know a $10 million a year raise great but if he doesn't then the Ravens have a whole that's going to be an arduous task this summer for a new head coach to be walking into. Yeah now that's that is a great point that you raise because again we've got reason to think even if the arbitrator said no it wasn't collusion it felt like that decision and that's the one with Pablo Doug of the paper. Work on it is like it's not collusion but they did collude I understand that that doesn't make sense to anybody but that's basically what they said yep and so if Lamar wants that I don't it's very interesting and curious how that works because again that's what they did the last time there's nothing really to stop him nobody when aren't the blank came out I was like now we don't want Lamar Jackson I was like oh yeah I just out here bush it and then huh oh okay got you. And the it's also complicated because when it happened last time he had his contract you know had expired and now there's two years left but he's obviously underpaid I so I just I think the Ravens did themselves a huge favor and fixing if it needed fixing the relationship with Lamar by moving on from Harbaugh but it doesn't mean the work is done. And that him signing a contract is going to be easy which job do you think Bo is the better job if there was a a plus coaching candidate out there right. Oh it's between Baltimore between Baltimore Buffalo yeah Baltimore because I feel pretty good that if they fire you you will have had a chance. Like I think the bills are probably going to be more prone to panic because on some level for Brandon being to get promoted what they are saying on one level or another is the players are good enough. Correct. The problem was the coach and the players are clearly not good enough. So that's what so the the bills are definitively saying we had a Super Bowl caliber roster and not a Super Bowl caliber coach. And that's why we and they have such an allergy it would seem to I I don't want to say they have an allergy to taking accountability. I it is not lost on me however that a handful of their playoff losses compared to the rest of the leagues. It hasn't been their fault. Third the 13 seconds game on man we just got unlucky with the coin toss okay let people forget this last year. The bills not quite to the same level they're doing right now did a bit of a media tour on Josh picked up that first down on the to push. I still think that was a first down we got and that was a fourth down play with eight minutes left in the fourth leg. It wasn't the deciding play but they they they they peddled a bit we got screwed there and then Dion Dawkins and others whining about what was obviously an interception and then McDermott obviously calling the Buffalo news and stuff but he's gone now. There the the woe is us we got screwed I think that whoever the new coaches is going to have to find a way to make them turn the page which I think can be difficult. After what they consider another devastating postseason. All right last thing before we get out of here and I wonder if I'm going wrong and even getting into this because it's hard to make this quick but I feel like everything that's going on with Buffalo allows us to forget. It's going to be a hell of an off season for Philadelphia and a hell of a season for Philadelphia next year's we figure out where this goes right because talent they have absolutely but a run can only go for so long. They're kind of in like year four or five of what this run is and man it's always a lot. Well they also not to be too nerdy on this because they have an owner that is willing to spend cash they have pushed more money into void years in the future than any other team in the league by a mile. So they have over four hundred million dollars of void years attached to the current roster and so it's for some context on that seven teams in the league have zero million dollars just don't use them. The browns have the second most and it's because it's all to Sean and it's not not all to Sean but it's almost all to Sean and it's less than 200 million the way how he roseman does business and it's been smart is. We borrow from a specific future year for the bills it's 2028 or I'm sorry for the Eagles it's 2028 and we have this window and then we have a very quick one year reset and then we start competing again and it's been it's work for them it's obviously done a great job. But it means this year was such a blown opportunity because you had all that talent and you lost at home to a Niners team that showed you the very next week who they really were I don't think AJ Brown is going to be on the team next year I don't know what you know what to expect from sake on next year and there's just more and more. Whispers about the or whether it's teammates or coaches or whomever being a little non plus with some of Jalen hertsy their style leader whatever it is and this is who their this is their team moving forward I thought it was interesting. I think it's very interesting who they get to be the offensive coordinator there because that's been such an interesting job where because some parts of the league don't think Jalen herts is great if you have a great offense with him you get a head coaching job but because the but if you don't have a great offense with him you get fired like they've had four offensive coordinators and two of them have gone on to be had coaches and two of them been one and done fired. So it just it seems like high upside low floor job and I look at it next year and I'm like man do I think that and I know this sounds disrespectful because the guy want a super role in his record. But are they going to go into next year with the worst coach in their own division. May like I thought shot in a good job I think Dan Quinn's fine and Harbaugh is obviously good like are they going to go into next year if Jalen Daniels is healthy with the third best quarterback in their division I think so it's such an interesting spot for them. It's also going to be fun and this is who knows what year it's going to happen but at some point it's going to happen the year they start taking second round quarterbacks third round quarterbacks in the way that they took Jalen herts with the expectation that we got to start figuring out how we get to another guy because when they did that with wince we still felt pretty good about wince and I would say that we still largely feel pretty good about hurts but this is not a sustainable situation and I don't think he's going to get much better. Well like you said listen like you said this is certainly don't have time to get into this but you were talking about some of the racial components to the discussion of around Josh Allen. I don't know how much you digest any Philly talk radio but Tanner keys quite a popular fellow. Look you know we have a backer some folks in Billy love them some Tanner. Yeah you know we have a backer level observation about that entire dynamic like you know they not serious about Jalen hurts for real because they would have had a black dude behind him to quill some of this talk but the thing about it is it be your own people. I got say about black quarterbacks every every black person loves another teens black quarterback when is they own they be talking about that motherfucking just like they would anybody else man and Philadelphia is the test case in this or no that's going to be fun we'll get to that when it comes up though more Nick Wright check him out first things first FS 1 3 to 5 the what's right podcast my brother I appreciate you. Of course absolutely see this week. 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