How Did This Get Made?

Escape from L.A. LIVE! w/ D’Arcy Carden & Dan Levy (HDTGM Matinee)

83 min
Mar 3, 20263 months ago
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Summary

The How Did This Get Made? hosts and guests D'Arcy Carden and Dan Levy dissect John Carpenter's 1996 film 'Escape from L.A.', a near-identical sequel to 'Escape from New York' that cost $50 million despite having notably worse special effects than the concurrent Jurassic Park. The panel explores the film's absurd plot, questionable creative decisions, and Kurt Russell's surprisingly unchanged appearance across the 15-year gap between films.

Insights
  • High production budgets do not guarantee quality execution—Escape from L.A. spent nearly as much as Jurassic Park but delivered inferior visual effects, suggesting directorial vision and script quality matter more than budget allocation
  • Franchise fatigue and creative exhaustion are evident when filmmakers essentially remake the same film with minimal variation, indicating the importance of innovation in sequels
  • Night-shoot production schedules (70 consecutive nights) can visibly impact actor performance and film coherence, suggesting logistics directly influence creative output
  • Nostalgia-driven casting and character revival can backfire if the original appeal (Kurt Russell's charisma) is undermined by weak material and poor execution
  • Practical effects and stunt work (hang gliding, surfing scenes) often outperform early CGI, indicating the value of practical filmmaking techniques in 1990s action cinema
Trends
1990s blockbuster sequels relied on formula repetition rather than innovation, reflecting studio risk-aversion in pre-franchise-era filmmakingEarly CGI adoption created visual inconsistency in action films, with some sequences appearing dated within years of releaseDystopian sci-fi narratives in 1996 focused on environmental collapse (ozone depletion, acid rain) reflecting late-90s environmental anxietiesAction film tropes (invincible protagonists, convenient plot devices, minimal character development) were accepted industry standards in mid-90s cinemaDirector-driven passion projects with large budgets can result in self-indulgent filmmaking when creative oversight is absentCasting decisions based on actor availability rather than role fit (Kate Hudson audition) reveal production-side compromisesTelevision crossover potential (planned Snake Pliskin TV series rejected by networks) shows how film IP was being developed for serialization in early 2000s
Topics
Sequel formula replication and creative stagnation in 1990s action cinemaCGI vs. practical effects quality comparison in mid-1990s filmmakingProduction logistics impact on creative output (night shoots, 70-day schedules)Character archetype limitations (the stoic anti-hero with minimal dialogue)Dystopian worldbuilding and environmental anxiety in 1990s sci-fiKurt Russell's career trajectory and typecasting in action rolesJohn Carpenter's directorial choices and franchise managementBudget allocation and financial decision-making in blockbuster productionSpecial effects technology limitations in 1996Actor performance under exhausting production conditionsFranchise expansion planning (Escape from Mars, Escape from Earth concepts)Television adaptation of film IP in early 2000sPractical stunt work and action choreography effectivenessNarrative coherence and script quality in big-budget filmsAudience expectations vs. creative execution in sequels
Companies
Universal Studios
Referenced as the location where the Jaws animatronic shark is kept, which appears in the film's submarine sequence
Paramount Pictures
Implied distributor/studio for Escape from L.A. production and release
NBC
Network that aired 'The Good Place', the current show of guest D'Arcy Carden
Cinemax
Mentioned in context of special effects work and visual quality standards
People
John Carpenter
Director and writer of Escape from L.A.; discussed for creative decisions, budget management, and franchise planning
Kurt Russell
Lead actor playing Snake Plissken; extensively discussed for physical appearance, performance, and co-writing credit
Steve Buscemi
Actor in the film; discussed for his character's role and memorable scenes
Pam Grier
Actress in the film; praised for hang-gliding scene performance
Peter Fonda
Actor in the film; discussed for his appearance and role in drive-by shooting scene
Cliff Robertson
Actor playing the president character; discussed for dialogue and narrative role
Stacy Keach
Actor in the film; discussed for oversized microphone prop and character design
Goldie Hawn
Originally considered for lead female role before hospitalization during production
Kate Hudson
Auditioned for the Utopia role after Goldie Hawn's unavailability
Shaquille O'Neal
Appeared in basketball sequence wearing steel armor costume
Quotes
"A movie more prescient about the direction of the world than it ever had the right to be."
Paul Scheer (opening narration)Opening
"I will straight up personally finance Escape From Cleveland. It needs to happen."
Jason MantzoukasMid-episode
"This movie is arguably one of the worst special effects ever seen."
Panel discussionEffects discussion
"Welcome to the human race."
Kurt Russell (final line of film)Ending discussion
"I looked at my dog and I was like, I don't usually watch movies like this, Penny."
D'Arcy CardenPersonal reaction
Full Transcript
A movie more prescient about the direction of the world than it ever had the right to be. We saw Escape from LA, so you know what that means. 3-2-1 3-2-1 3-2-1 3-2-1 3-2-1 3-2-1 3-2-1 How did Swanson A.G. grow baby in this belly rocker rock and rock Stomps vest while whipping just in the Kelly Or maybe see a burlest show with Hit Crow And take a bubble sweet to hit and cruise control J.Man Big Paul in the beautiful jewel Gonna take you from the groove all the way to the road Brand the games in Street Fighter, hope to blow off steam Just to suck a punch to eyed life, attempt me to grind Shot near the birth, Demi, how we stand in life They call it in the badass and he's on the line Cranking eight-eight minutes cause they cool as ice Cause the back gym, Bonnie looking kind of nice Paul and Joon getting literal Jason is getting late Joon is making sure all the monkey shots get in pain They judge a bunch of movies while they're making the grade Here's a real question for you, how did this get made? Oh, oh, you're up! Hello people of A.G. And hello people, I'm Varago! We are live at our LA home here at Laughert, the Coronet of Hero of R&L A Definitely come out and check out Largo, they have amazing shows here all the time And tonight they have an amazing show that talks about the return of a character that people were begging for That's right Snake Pilskin is back And not only is he back, he's in essentially the same movie Few differences So minor, so so minor We're gonna talk about this tonight with a very exciting All-Star panel But first let me welcome my co-host Jason Manzookas What's up, Jax? Paul, you may be shocked to find out that you've already mispronounced the lead character's name Pilskin Not Pilskin I said, like I thought it was a rumpel still skin Well, because he says a lot of the times, call him Snake And I take that You call him Snake I'm not worried about the Pilskin You call him Snake or SP If I'm not mispronouncing your name, something's wrong That's the way I live my life That's how we'll know you've been replaced Yes When some, it was a habit that my dad had that I have now adopted 100% We're all becoming our parents Not cool as I sat as Fort Eskord-Ovick That's not gonna be me and now it is I wanna know how to pronounce people's names Somewhere across the country, he is wearing a Steve Harvey sweatshirt And his ears are burning I am My dad doesn't even know the beauty of family feud No, my dad's a great guy, I love him very much He's the best But we both can't pronounce people's names So joining us tonight also Since June cannot be here tonight, we have a very special guest How did this get made all-star? You know him from the glitter episode Or his brand new CISO comedy special Lion Please welcome Dan Levy Woo, woo, woo What's up, Dan? What's up, Dan? I'm not great because I watched his movie earlier today And you're welcome It was also subtitles, so it was really confusing I couldn't turn off, so the whole thing was like gunshot, gunshot, gunshot, gunshot gunshot That is the worst movie to watch on subtitles Because it is, it's a lot of action being narrated Oh, that is, oh man, this movie is interesting I have a real love, we're gonna get into it I have a real love hate relationship with this movie Because I feel like there are moments A real will they want there I may as Paul's gonna fuck this movie I might, I might June's not here Get ready for me June's not here Get ready to watch a guy fuck a movie Sorry, June, I want to fuck Pillskin I take a VHS cover box and I just do my business I just do my business From... That's how he lost his eye He lost his eye from a really bad paper cut in eyeball Oh, wow, don't do that It never came off The eye patch never came off No, never The shini went through, you'd think at one point Well, here we should talk about that eye patch Because I also feel like why would he be so vain I want to see that cloudy water eye that he's got underneath there I want to go on Maybe there's nothing Even better The socket I want to see the socket I want people to talk about it He's like a socket Yeah, he's like I gotta put some salve on my socket So it doesn't dry out, gotta keep my moist socket Look at my sockets Wait, what's that? It looks like a little piece of jewelry in there That's my socket locket Guys, I'm on fire The show hasn't even introduced all the... We guess and you're getting... The entire channel is on stage And I am crushing it Telling it all the time I think we need to end the show after socket locket I only can fuck a socket locket We also have a very special guest She's hilariously funny She know her from that brand new show The Good Place on NBC Please welcome Darsie Carden Wooo! Wooo! Wooo! Welcome! Darsie! Darsie! Alright, so real quick The plot breakdown of this movie Snake Pliskin is back And it's Pliskin Or, you know, now I'm gonna get it I'm gonna get it I think I said Pilskin Pulse had Pilskin earlier Snake is back, it's essentially the same plot as Escape from New York But this time it's LA and he's changed pants That's all you really need to know if you've not seen it Barely even changed pants He was his pants He was forced to change pants And they were like, we're gonna do different pants And they tried to just get out of it And be like, I'll take the jacket And they were like, you're gonna wear the pants The vibe of the pants were the same Well, I felt like he was upset that you got in that new clothes But then later on he seemed to be really much like, I gotta get my jacket back Come on, man, yeah I like these clothes now Fuck this movie I'm mad, I'm mad at you guys for making me much better Fuck you I thought something exciting was happening to you Instead you're being punished I remember a supreme disappointment in the theater watching this movie I felt like I was like, I'm gonna go see Escape from LA Oh, and I really, and the only thing that I did was... Oh, I think you already... You are trapped in the box, I was fucking the cover box You planned on fucking the box before you even got to the end You were fucking the box of Escape from New York being like, I'm gonna see Escape from LA You fucking dirty little bitch Maybe you can't do that You gotta one eye, but you'll see this You're going in this cover box I fuck you, but I take the other one out to the movies Ha, ha, ha Well, I gotta say though, but this movie... We can all say that Escape from New York is like a classic cult movie That's like a cult movie Right? Great, excuse me Escape from New York Yeah Oh, young Jason I agree, I... Oh, boy, here's how it starts I think I'm in the middle of a two-view Because it was cool, it was of this time, but rewatching it now... That's the high part Yeah, it's like run No, terrible I watch the thing or something like that, I know there are like flawless Flawless I had never seen... You watched them both back to back I've seen Escape from New York So I watched Escape from New York being like, Disnot good And then I watched Escape from LA and I was like, oh no, no, that was great Yeah This is terrible The only... and I see what you mean, except for that Escape from New York is fantastic To this day? Yeah, I watched it like last year and I was like, hold up But now run I might as well be watching Face Off or Con Air Oh no Face Off I think it's... No I think it's the Face Off Face Off is better than every one of them Face Off is great Yeah, Face Off is great Yeah, Face Off is better than Face Off No, Face I love Face Off I would argue that Fast and Furious One where they have the safe attached the car Six is up there Six, six Brazil, five Oh yeah, because four is the serious one then five they're like, oh shit, this is what we should do Oh, guys, and now they have fucking submarines Remember when we lost Jazeal? Oh No, that's a character in the face Hold on, Jazeal GALPEDO Remember when Wonder Woman was Jazeal and Jazeal and Jazeal She's not the big guy I think She, I guess she is I saw her in a whole... whole flutes recently, she looked alive She only had... I was like, just now Are you getting sushi? All right, so you watch Escape From New York and Escape From LA back to back I want to just talk about that experience in the moment because They are the same movie, right? They're the same movie, they're the same movie There's like a formula and they just like placed in different characters and different like And how does Escape From New York end? He gets his freedom This movie hypothesizes that he just kind of goes to Cleveland Yeah, they keep referencing Cleveland I think we know you were in Cleveland Guys, I will straight up personally finance Escape From Cleveland It needs to happen It needs to happen, actually that's the way to like get this back That is not at all a bad idea But isn't that everyone who lives in Cleveland just runs this cave with you You know the whole reason why they referenced Cleveland is it's an in joke From a friend of John Carpenter's who knew a guy from Cleveland named Snake Pliskin Oh really? Yeah, that's a big joke for that guy Yeah, that's a giant Because that's even like a guy named Snake, it's a guy named Snake Pliskin That guy's life is like kind of fucks now Or is it the best life ever? Yeah Yeah, I totally fuck Snake Pliskin But here's my... Russel, you mean no, this guy that it's big A real scussie That's like the guy that's the guy that was Kramer Oh yeah, running a real tour He's like giving tours around Cleveland, I'm the real Snake Pliskin I didn't risk it for anything Hey, look at me! Except pay my Alamone check, haha Anyways, this bus rival cost $50 I was just a movie two nights ago and I cannot remember how New York ended How did it end? Oh, how about this? Nerds? How does this gave me New York end? Yeah, that's what I am How did it end? What is it? Yeah, you can tell us, you can have this boiler, just boil New York Let me come to you because I don't think your voice will carry in the bottle This is the same guy from the last show I'm gonna punch him right in the chest Who are you? Alright, go! This guy is wearing a Pliskin shirt This is it, yeah Okay, here we go Yeah, get it Much like this movie, he's asked to retrieve something And of course he kinda fucks with everybody at the end, I don't wanna spoil it No, do spoil it, spoil it, spoil it Spoil the first one Okay, in this one he may or may not fuck with everybody But he does do that in the previous, he's asked to get a tape Right Like a set tape, you know, early 80s It's a mixed tape No, it is It's a love tape, or it's girlfriend Just smash mouth Right That's the flip spot, it goes It takes out exactly like flip stop Exactly the same, he kinda walks away The president in that movie is proudly playing the tape Right It's supposed to be the secret to clean energy and it's gonna change the world And it ends up being the cabbie's character Oh, cabbie Bouchemi analog from the first Wow, they really copied it down It was exactly the same And walks away and you see him pulling the tape out of the other one Yeah, yeah, yeah Oh right That's right Oh, that's right, that's right Goddamn, it's so boring Wow Well, it's fucking great And then the only other, the only only question I have though too Besides the movies being exactly the same, except for different coast Is does he look any fucking older than him? No, he looks exactly the same Exactly the same It's crazy, he looks so good I mean the best part of both movies is how fucking hot he is By the way He is very He looks great He was in the curious age or whatever Yeah Right, this is the last one It looks great Jason, I did a show and tell you right, they were shooting the... Hey, wait Hey, wait, wait there Any of that crazy ass fucking beard and mustard It looks fucking great It looks great His arms look amazing No, he left He left me Real good Real good We're not up for a good old fuck around improv show I don't mean to like object to fight him And I'm sorry to like keep talking about SEX and stuff like that No, it's a fun I'm not talking about it But I think you realize while I was watching this movie that maybe Kurt Russell is the first Dude I ever wanted to fuck, like as a kid Me too And not just like I have a crush on him From the computer who works as you Maybe like from overboard or something where I was like it wasn't just like I have a crush on him I was like I want to fuck that guy Right? And I think that these movies So I think I've wanted to fuck Kurt Russell my whole life Watching these movies make me not want to fuck them at all Whoa The old reversal It might be the quality of these movies Bring down his fuck ability Yes, I do think that I do Oh hang on Ladies, agree your disagree Or men Or men Wait, I think they agree Yeah First fight Fight, fight Kiss, kiss, kiss, kiss Kiss Your eyes He's he's he has great arms He's wearing a cape like jacket By the way, he's in the same literally the same cost to me wore 15 years earlier For sure Because body is not changed in the 15 years Those arms, he looks incredible And that I mean he does have like a rapey kind of voice though That's that's Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa What? Come on Please get it no way Please get it all about consent My favorite thing about snake was Are you guys cool? Are you guys best friends? We told me calm snake Wait, good Kurt Russell Kurt Russell Plotnik That was with a bee Snake Plotnik Snake Plotnik What are you doing? Snake Plotnik There's a moment where Plotnik They're flying into Disneyland at the end of the movie By the way, he's a very long extension of L.A. I felt like All the way to Anaheim Anaheim That's a real big break They didn't even say it They don't say it because they can't say it But then snake is like, is that what I think it is And all the snake goes about Disneyland That character does not see it Like you and Dough Snake is looking around today Yeah, that's right So Ghost get in the car with you at the end Trippies Snake was like the guy who wrote the Thomas guy Like that's kind of who he is No, and that wasn't funny It's a very young audience Very hot, very hot I'm 35 Very hot, very hot But I do think the beginning of this movie I was like, oh wow, for this day and age It seems more in line for what would be happening right now It's like this island of deplorables And it's like, you know, and then But I guess like Cliff Robertson's more of like a preacher Although I don't really understand how an earthquake in California installed a new president Yeah, like I love my president for life Oh yeah Yeah, that was scary right? Because it doesn't seem like most of the country is affected It's like New York's already in Ireland Right And the other earthquake happens and there's another island And it's like, now I'm gonna be president for life I'm nervous Snake Plisc in his alive More and more of America will become island That's what's concerning to me I kind of like that I like Koanga Beach though That's really cool Oh my God You were more like a Koanga Beach Do you feel like maybe that snake can't die? Don't you feel like a moro? Don't you feel like there's just a tiny... I feel like they didn't... I mean if that was true, they'd probably get into it more But it was like, dude can't die I feel like they kept saying that I thought you were dead Shoot automatic weapons at him Yeah From very close distances And miss him entirely Except for the one time that Steve Bishemi fires a gun during an earthquake And manages to win him Which I think is only done because he gets hit in the leg in the first movie Right So it's like we got a balance around Yeah They should have gone for his other eye Like that's what I would do if I was trying to kill him By the way, this movie if his patch changed eyes throughout It would be fine No one would even come I did find it interesting though Because everyone who is shooting at him or chasing him They give up real easy Like at one point he runs out in front of a building Goes into like a manhole And the guy's like Ah! Alright Not only that Those guys, those are the guys in rope They run away in the opposite direction As if he's still shooting at him Oh Man alive Let's just see the opening here I want to talk about Quarovot Jones Oh, yeah There is So, my Tasslima is the name so I want to talk about, oh yeah, go ahead I just want to open the scene of how it all went down here I did idea In the late 20th century Pustal forces inside the United States grow strong The city of Los Angeles is ravaged by crime and immorality To protect and defend its citizens The United States police force is formed An earthquake measuring 9.6 on the Richter scale Hits at 1259 pm August 23rd in the year 2000 After the devastation, the Constitution is amended And the newly elected president accepts a lifetime term of office Los Angeles Island is declared no longer part of the United States And becomes the deportation point Where all people found undesirable or unfit to live in the new moral America That's a fuckload of exposition Yeah That's a lot Like even watching it now is like wow I didn't even remember being that dense It's a lot Yeah, yeah, yeah I feel like they should have saved money on all those car accidents And worked more with the green screen Because I feel like that Those car accidents were seemed expensive Well, first of all, the car accidents in this movie Are done like a Star Trek battle bridge scene Like, it's the camera is doing 90% of the earthquake work It's a lot of work Crazy earthquake Yeah, yeah, yeah, throughout the movie every 10 years Like a tremor or whatever it was like the camera Shake that camera Yeah, and the four actors were like Whoa Oh, no What do you think about the special effects in this movie? Flawless I could not tell when they were being utilized This movie is arguably one of the worst special effects ever seen Shame, what about that shark though? That looked real I mean, that that was another interesting thing about watching them back to back Is that even though the first one was made what 10 years before More probably Yeah, 15 Something The special effects work so much better in the first one than the second one Well, this feels like the George Lucas School of Special Effects There's special effects for no reason Right But now here's the fact that kind of blew me away This and Jurassic Park came out in this film You're lying Yeah, what? I'm lying And this had a budget of 50 million What? And Jurassic Park had a budget of 65 Oh, my $15 million God, different not much What? Do you think Kurt Russell was like Locker on the set being like They're making Dianne who's over there, wait to see this fucking shark Do you think they, do you think John Cobranus saw Jurassic Park and was like Uh oh Yeah You guys, I'm gonna tell you what you're getting me with it now When I saw Jurassic Park, I was in junior high Sure I was dumb, dumb But I was in junior high And when I watched it during the like you know the scene where he like takes her head and he's like You know the Bronosaurs scene Look at that I had a thought in my little like junior high head like Oh, I'm gonna fuck her up I'm gonna fuck this dinosaur No, I thought like Oh my God, I guess there really are dinosaurs somewhere Oh wow Oh wow So you were stupid real dumb No, no No, not in junior high school Not in junior high school, not in junior high school I didn't not say high school, I said junior high Junior high is a teenager OK, the young side of junior high So you were 13, you were thinking dinosaurs are real? No, but no, but I agree with you they looked they looked so real like And you'd never have seen anything like it And it holds up to this day It looks great It looks great This movie does not hold up No, no, no, it didn't hold up then That movie barely made it to the theater But apparently they hired a graphic house that never did Did special effects before? Oh, damn. That's very clear. So funny. I think never did it like, yeah, these guys, they're behind them. So it seemed to me like I just a bunch of people in a room is going, ah, shit. Shit. But by the way, Universal Studios there, fuck, I don't know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a movie where there's a character named Quarvo Jones they're doing just fine. I would argue that they're doing work up to the level of the script. That's what you're just so bad. Look at this. This is, um, I'm here with some of the... There's Universal Studios. The Universal Studios. By the way, so the joke in this is that he's in the submarine. And he's in the submarine. And then, Jaws, the shark Jaws almost eat the submarine. As if, to your point, Jaws has kept the real shark is kept at Universal Studios. Yeah. And the earthquake simply let him go free. Not that Jaws. I didn't even... The Universal is a... I didn't even make that connection. Oh, I think that was the shark. I just thought... There was a shark in the water. Yeah, me too. I thought it was just a... No, I think you're right. Clearly go to Universal Studios. Yeah, yeah. And then, and then this... This, uh, why is he able to fly or drive any device or machine? Because he's snake, Plitskin, the most famous man in the world. Plitskin. What's his name? Plitskin. This name is a real hurdle for us. Plitskin. Ah, snake. Plitskin. Plitskin. Plitskin. Plitskin. Plitskin. Plitskin. Plitskin. It's got snake. Plitskin. Look, the problem, his name is the lease of our worries. By the way. Plitskin. Plitskin. There's no T in it. Plitskin. Plitskin. Like Plitskin. Plitskin. Plitskin. It's Plitskin. I think it's Tec. Plitskin's on the lotion on its own. Oh. It rubs the Plitskin on it. It rubs the lotion on its Plitskin. It just turned on the lights for a second and people will, if you're listening while driving, close your eyes. And just picture this. This is the worst CGI scene right here. You can just see it. That's it. It looks like- What is it? This is just CGI. That's going a beach. That's, yeah. Oh, oh, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's so- It's not even video games of the time or that back. It's the level of the VR in lawnmower, man. But yet the VR that they posit in this movie makes no sense. Well, that's just like video quality. You mean like when he goes into the- The girls. Where Ray Ann is stealing the black box? Yes. Yeah. Well, he goes in there and then there's a camera in the room that was taping her. But then who was taping the other, who was in the VR tape? Where are the other 500 cameras that must be covering every bit of the room? Oh, boy. No, none. And he's seemingly just kind of like it's, I don't know, his reaction to be a fucking unfazed. Yeah. He was like, I guess I'm in virtual reality. Again, he knows about Disney's, into virtual reality. He writes for a tech blog. It's all what Snake Plotskin does. Plotskin, that's it. Plotskin. I love- What? What? No, it's someone else on me. What's happening? What's happening? What are we doing right now? Someone yelled hot shot. Well, maybe it's hot shot. Maybe plot shot. Now what do we think? Hot shot. Hot shot. Maybe that's a basketball reference later on the movie. We'll get to it. Let's get to that basketball scene. I want to get to it. I want to also just say like I love, well, Queervot Jones. We're first introduced to Queervot Jones. I don't hate him. I don't hate him. You are like horny for the guys. I know. I'm normal horny. You are over the place. I'm normal horny. Right, so. So. I'm normal horny. It's our C-Cardin. I wait, so your fuckability of Kurt Russell goes down, but that Queervot Jones goes up? Well, Queervot Jones is the thing when you first introduced him. Where he's throwing a dove. And the dove really was not on to the main. That's a virtual reality as well. Yeah, he's right. And so he throws this dove. And I think the idea would be he throws a dove and it goes up. He did have a magician vibe to me. Like, he definitely. I want to rewind that. I did not understand what was happening. I had to go back because I couldn't even understand what was happening. What they were saying was she was communicating to him over like these video messages. She had become isolated and lonely. And Queervot Jones. The Queervot Jones. Did anybody else think of the steely dance song? Every time they said Queervot Jones, anyway. And that he was invading Rianz. She'll, AJ Langer will only be. Don't call her that. Rianz from my so-called life forever. Yeah. It was hard to get past that. Wait, do people not know that she's Rianz? You know that, right? OK. She had the funky hair and it's super cool. The best. Like the best. The best. The best. Yeah, she did. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Come on. Come on. Anyway, he was communicating to that's how they feel like he got to her was through her VR. Well, interesting thing about Utopia. Her character's name is Rianz. Oh, wait, wait. But the dub was not participating. So he goes to toss the dub up, but the dub just goes down. And they replay it so many times that you can't not notice the dub going like, football. And it's the least impressive romantic gesture you could do. It's like pulling a dead rabbit out of your hat. Like, ah, here's the odd thing about this. Goldie Han was supposed to be Utopia. What? Earth, are you talking about? But she was in the hospital during some of the shooting of this for the possible. Pup, pup, pup, pup, pup, t-o, t-o, t-o, t-o, t-o, t-o. I know that makes no sense. Hold on. I'll get there. Hot shot. Hey, hot shot. Hot shot. Hot shot. Hot shot. This crowd got out. Ooh, the lake crowd is white. Flotskin. They're hammered in rowdy. Set the shit up, and then I bring it home. And then they audition Kate Hudson. What? Who? Who? Yes. OK, so it was going to be on. You wanted it to be Goldie Han. She couldn't do it. And they're like, well, that's auditioned my daughter to do it. And then she didn't get it. He must have been so pissed. She must have been very young, though, this time. Yes, she must have been well. I feel like she would have been very young. She would have been like, she could do it, she's seven. I bet you you'd have spent. I bet you Utopia would have been the president's wife if it was the other way. Yeah, that's true. What year did this come in again? 96. So she would have been like, 15, 16? Yeah, baby. Yeah. That's not about normal. Yeah, I'll be right about right. I'd be like, that would mean she could do it. Kate could do it. And it's like, Kate could do it. If you want to see, she said taller, Kate. And Utopia and Utopia and Plotskin didn't have a sexy relationship. No. So that would have been OK. It engaged entirely with Query Boy Jones. Yeah. The Query Boy Jones. The Query Boy Jones. Query Boy. What an insane man. So wonderful, man. They get, after Snake takes a submarine to LA, one of the first things he sees in LA is the most peaceful drive by shooting. I've ever seen. It's like two leisurely cars. He's like, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop. Right. Right. My guy. My great day for a drive by. And that and Peter Fonda. Whoa. Right? Peter Fonda? Someone just said oof, and that is so true. And that is so true. It was so cool. It's embarrassing. That is an embarrassing. I had to look up Peter Fonda, because I was like, don't we respect him as an actor? And that was a bad move. Well, this is like, I feel like this is like part of Peter Fonda's comeback. What did you find out? Where it is? I think we do. Yeah, no, he was redeemed. He was pretty powerful. He was pretty powerful. Yeah. Where did you find Peter Fonda's fuckability? I don't, I'm normal horny. I don't want to just fuck things. But where about Joe Fonda? No one is suggesting things. Okay, I'm not a jack. Nobody suggests he'd be in a perfect spot. He was a crossover, but not. Quervo Jones didn't know now into Peter Fonda always not. Always not. Are you trying to do with Peter Fonda? No, not at all. I'm glad Peter Fonda has actually been on the podcast via an interview. That's someone a friend of the show. Thank you. Peter Fonda, friend of the show. So much audience participation, guys. Hot shot. Hot shot. Hot shot. Hot shot. Hot shot. Shut your mouth. Shut your mouth. Friend of the show. All right, so Snake is in LA. Well, there's so much stuff going on. Sacie Keach and Michelle Forbes, so I think it's always. I love Sacie Keach. Valima. Is that a say your name? Yeah, yeah. No, Tally Tesla. What's her name? Her name is... Tally Sema. Tally Sema, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Wait, no, that's... Wait, no. Her name... Hold on. That's Valerie Galino as Tally Sema. Tally Sema. You talking about shots, girl? Hot shots, girl, is brazen. Oh, is that one you said hot shots? She said hot shots? Oh, hot shots? But wait, we had we even talked about her. You know, you're just like, get to the girl from Hot shots. Talk about the girl. They've tried a lot of hot shots. I'm a nerd in a podcast, but I want to talk about the girl. Hot shots is a deep dive from Michelle Forbes. She's also been... No, not Michelle Forbes. Isn't it Valerie Galino? Oh, Valerie Galino, yes, right. That's hot shots. It isn't a deep dive, right? No, that's it. I don't know. I think she's actually done a ton. Hot shots. Hot shots. Hot shots. Now, look who you guys yell it out. Yeah, there you go. Oh, someone's fight. Fight each other. Kid. Kate Hudson. All right, so what are the things they love about movies like this? Obviously, they're making some big leaps in what technology would be. 1996's Hard to Protect. What would be, you know, the future. But what I do love is when they just miss one thing. Like, Stacy Keach has a very big microphone. Like, everything else is like very tiny. And like, little device is very like, he's talking on a microphone on the size of this. Like, hey, snake. Yeah. Be careful of the UP race. The ozone. That's what they're so scared about. They are. Well, we were talking about this, like, a little bit back. That was, I guess, the fear in 1996 was the ozone. Especially, I think, in LA. It was always, like, pollution. LA is like so smoggy. Pollution. You're going to get in this zone where you're going to get, I guess, cancer? Yeah. I mean, they don't really talk about the effects of UV rays. Oh, nor do they talk about the effects of the acid rain that's apparently raining. Yeah. Yeah. Rainy, dub. Peter Fun is like, you got to put the hood up. He's got a luxurious head of air. He's not only that, but he falls into a sewer that must be full of acid rain. As a rain. Like, why is he so dead except he's such an undeniable hunk? That's what I'm saying. He can't die. The man can't die. Maybe he's the hologram the entire time. Well, see, that's when he, when he, when not to cut to the end, but here I go, when the explosion happens and he walks out, I'm like, dude, the vampire. Something, something. I was like, he can't die. This man can't die. And then if there's a fucking hologram. It's funny he's a vampire because it was interesting as one side of this was that they thought this is going to be a huge franchise for snakepliskin. Right. So it was going to be a escape from New York, escape from LA, escape from Mars. Really? And then John Carpen was like, well, I guess people don't like snakepliskin anymore. So he's made vampires from Mars. Like he's made like a movie. There's a movie called vampires or hearts. Right or wrong. It's like a ghost, ghost of Mars. Ghost of Mars. Are there vampires left? Should we do that? Yeah. Is it good? Do it here? I mean it's good for us. Not even for this. Interesting. So you think he thinks just was snakeplish and that was the problem. He's like, it's not not the world that I created. But it is. Just giving up on that character. I think it is. I actually, I do think, I mean, a no disrespect, I guess all disrespect is for Russell. But like, ain't good. He ain't like, he's great and we love him. But like, that is, it's not good. It's just a voice, right? There's nothing more to his character. There's not a lot of levels to say. There's nothing more. And there's like, he's trying to do, I feel like this for him is his version of, he thinks he's doing his version of Clint Eastwood's man with no name. Right. You know, like, just like, a few lines of dialogue, gruff voice, no emotional involvement. Why doesn't it, why doesn't, it doesn't work though in this. It's like, there's a lot of things. Well, I feel like this one is like, because it becomes a little joky too. Yeah. Well, once he gets into some marine, that's sort of the problem. We've already talked about that. What's he getting about that? Once he gets that way. Down in the corner. He starts off like, yeah, he just started off as a badass. I'm like, I like him there. But just like everybody else, once he gets to LA. Fucking changes. Fucking changes. Totally changes his head. He comes in LA assholes. Totally changes. He's kind of about that, right? Yeah, I mean, it is. He's a metaphor for a lot of things. He's making like a big comment. He almost gets a bunch of plastic surgery. The plastic surgery. Bruce Campbell. Right. I hated that scene made me feel ill. I don't like scenes like that. I don't like that. I'd seen from Brazil where they take moana from me with the boss' face and pull it. Like, I made it. I thought of that too. I thought that. I actually loved that scene. I loved the scene where it was like all the plastic surgery. And I was like, people really look like this now. This is like reality television. I'm looking at real housewives. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, yeah, that's the right assholes. I knew though, as the scene was happening, I was like, he's going to grab her boobs and say, those are real. I knew it was going to happen. I knew it. And then he did it. And it was so great. And a problem with his sense of direct. Great to hear your pervert ESP. Work down. No, it's gone by. I bet these broads about to get felt by a weirdo. Hey babe, I was right. They are real. I just knew like as like a cheesy way. Not as like, oh yeah, let's grab some fucking weird things. But I felt like his sense of direction in LA was also kind of off too. He had to go to the Hollywood Bowl, right? But then he walked by Capitol Records and then he walked by Man's Chinese Theater and he's like, where's the Hollywood Bowl? It's like, you passed it, you were closer. You were already there. He was on Kuangabit, yeah. Kuangabit, he landed at the Hollywood Bowl and then he headed to the Hollywood Bowl. Yeah, he walked away, come on, guys. He passed it. He passed it. Yeah, I mean, that's a tiny problem. They should have given him a Thomas guy. What's interesting to me is that this movie is the original, like they give him a disease or a virus rather and are like, you have 10 hours, blah, blah. This is the original crank. This is the same, like, crank is the same storyline. We're going to do something to you, fuck you up. And as a result, you're going to have to do what we want you to do. As someone who loves crank, that's really fucked up. But there seems to be no driving force because in crank, Stays like, fuck. And then this, he's like, man. Well, that's the thing is that guy's like, he's got no... They've given him something that arguably makes him less likely to succeed. That's funny. They're like, you're going to, like, basically be really tired. Yeah, yeah. You're just going to get closer and closer to dying. He just has mono, basically. Right, right. I know that wasn't care. Like, that's the funny thing to give him. He's not that stressed about this horrible disease. The whole time, he's walking around trying to kill people. Where you think he would just... Everybody's like, are you snakepliscans? Why is he so famous? Why is he so fucking famous? He's so famous. He's so famous. Hey, don't know you, Miss. I just think, Pliscans. Literally, what, literally, what could he do in... Apparently, whatever he did in Cleveland, everybody was like, oh shit. Which, he... I thought the head really mean... Do you really mean, man? It seems to be, like, petty shit. Right. Like, it's like, because he's saying, I want a car thief, Hershey. Oh, I didn't even realize Hershey. I didn't even... Oh my god, I didn't either. I didn't either. Hershey. I thought I was like a bad black pun. I didn't too. And now I realize it's a terrible other pun. Um... Pam Greer was like, she kind of was dope in this movie. Oh, I love Pam Greer. Um... Any time, Pam Greer, on a hang glider, with a machine gun. That run movie. A plus. Yeah. Five stars. Anybody, yeah, yeah. That, that hang gliding scene. Again, it's a low impact thing. It's like, it's like, gliding. Bawarada. And, like, there are... They are, in such close proximity to people shooting machine guns at them. Not a city, yeah. None of them are shot. Yeah. No bodies, no hang glides. Zero. Yeah. The only time they had set up the beginning when he shot them and they're like, ah, those were blanks. Oh, yeah. That was even... That was real hard. I thought you might try that. You did? Yeah. You know what? Make sure he's got this. But make sure he's got one clip of blanks. Make sure that's the clip that's in the gun, because he's definitely going to try and shoot us. But... We've already fooled him with the hologram thing, so we can't do that again. Yeah, they were... That went like this. They were holograms. Yes. And then in the next scene, they were... Blank. ...t holograms, but they introduced him to all of the weapons. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And then the next scene... Because they've made fun of him. That's right. He's like, well, now he doesn't know. Are there blanks? They gave him his own gun. Right. What if he instead of being like... ...at just... ...bang, bang, bang, bang, bang. They'd be dead spilled. Yeah, and end of movie. Right. Credits. Well, that would've been the best... John Carbenter is stealing $60 million. Like, the four-minute movie. Most of his narration at the top done by... Steve Buschemmy's in this movie. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, the Bush is loose. The Bush is loose. He comes in as a character that I can't describe. He's an agent. Yeah. But... But I mean, he's really... I mean, he's like the map to the stars, right? Yeah. The map to the stars is that they reveal he's an agent. He's like, we can make a lot of money, Snake. But where? There's no more... The right... The show business is underwater. Yeah, I'm an agent. Well, the shark is... Yeah, the shark is even out of work. I mean, the shark is trying to eat submarines. But the... But like... What is he representing in the deplorable world? I think he was like... He was like... ...sneaking in being an agent. I don't think he was really an agent. I think he was like a scam artist, right? He was just like... Yeah. He was trying to make a damn thought. That's the impression I got that he was like... He was going with whoever he thought was going to give him... ...the most... ...accents of the world. So, just lying about his own profession. At first, I thought he was going to be like... ...Cabby from the first movie, but he was not like... ...Cabby. I thought he was going to be like a sweet old, you know, dummy. I was hoping that he was going to get excited and since Snake offered pilot season. Here! Here's some sides. Read this. What do you think he can play? How old can you play? Snake can pull off 18. Snake, you're up against Cuervo Jones for this role. So, remake the Bulls and Buddies. You'll play Bouty. Wait, Bulls and Buddies. Bouty. That's right. You're a terrible agent. You're a terrible agent. This is... ...this is ridiculous. No, I'm doing more than... Everybody knows that Bouty is from perfect strangers. Not Bulls and Buddies. Um... Cuervo Jones and... Bouty by Tachamas. Yeah. It's the reason I got into acting, everybody. Oh, no. He's... You are from Meepos, right? I can do this. You got this. Your family is from Meepos. Yes, we are from Meepos. And you came over... We came over on the boat from Meepos. That was like... I was like, you know, you were a bird. Yep. I was like, if Bouty can make it in LA... I can make it in LA. And look at you. Look at me! Don't look at me. You're standing tall, Jason, on the way to your dreams. Now, um... That show was on Tuesdays and Thursdays, by the way. Perfect strangers was on twice a week. Really? FYI. New shows? Imagine just pumping out perfect strangers like that. Yeah. That's crazy. Crazy. Tuesdays and Thursdays. I watched it all the time. Anyways, as a side note. I will say this. And Network did develop a very perfect stranger's type show that I did the table read for as the foreign cousin. Really? And I was like, this is where I met. This was a long time ago, but I was like, yeah. It makes sense that I'm playing the Balky part. Right, right, right. Guys, my life is great. Whoa, whoa. Not awesome, Jason. Jason, is... Is that character with us tonight? Huh? Go to hell. You can watch him in the dictator. The basketball sequence. Yeah, let's talk about that. This is what... Yeah. We also want to talk about when Valerie Galina hits on snakepliskin. It's like, she's basically like, I want to make you feel good. And then she goes, my boyfriend and I broke up tonight. Tonight. Tonight. Tonight. Tonight. Tonight. Right before we were kidnapped. I want you to come home. Like, it might be like... Yeah. I was like, I don't want to be like, you know, but she seems... It's a little bit slutty, a little bit, right? I mean, she just breaks up. Dan, I'm not going to slutshame her at all. I don't want to... I don't want to... I don't want to hurt you, girl. She got downed out. She's beautiful. But I'm also like, why do we need to know that she and her boyfriend broke up? So it's... We did your... Yeah, that's right. ...your boyfriend. Yeah. It also seems like a lie. It's like a very aggressive thing to tell someone, like, broke up tonight. Yeah. She was just being honest. I'm into it. Um, well, Snake... Uh, has to, you know, do a challenge. This is where... This is my love-hate relationship with this movie, because I applaud the insanity of it. Totally. Like, it's like, okay. His challenge is to make ten points on a full-size basketball court. So he's got a mega basket. Every ten seconds. Every ten seconds. Every ten seconds. Run to another bat... Like, so he's got to run up and down the court. So it's a little bit of a cardio exercise. Right. And... And he runs it. One point goes, he's getting tired now. And I was like, no, not really. But he's shooting baskets in the person before him. He chops someone's head off in front of him, the blood splatter. And through his face, he's like, no, you will play basketball. Right. Here's the other thing. Here's the other thing. The basketball court is in... In clothes in fence, right? And there are gunmen all around it. Oh, I'm fit. Shooting the one person on the court. A-K-A, shooting each other today. Why did they know that? Everyone has terrible... It's collateral damage. The same thing happens at the end of the movie. Yes, it does. They encircle the hologram, which we don't know is a hologram. And they fucking blast it. I totally saw that. Everybody would be killing it. Everybody's so stupid in the movie. Really, when he was on the fence, when he was on the fence, hanging off and they were shot at him so much, that was the one time where he's dead now. Right, right, right. And they did this circle... Like, when all the guys were shooting him in the middle of the basketball court, I truly, the words in my head were like, how did this get made? But here's my thought, too, is like, you can... It's not real, right? We all can agree that. Wait, this wasn't a documentary? This is real. This is real, Paul. This was a real... This was a documentary. It was a shot in the year 2013. It was not real. But no, like, so at a certain point, someone would have to be like, huh, maybe we should put him in a circle, like, it wasn't like, we had to put him in a circle. Like, there's no reason for any of it. For sure, no. And even, like, by the part where he's climbing over the fence and the square of what was getting his gun, like, we're just thinking more cumbersome. Like, I make him not get the gun so quickly, but he gets the gun quickly. I'm just gonna hold him here, and I won't do anything. That awesome shot of the red circle around him just... Right, for a long time. Every long time. Yeah, like, as a director, you could at least maybe cut that scene tighter. So I feel like, oh, he just missed him. Nope. I'm gonna leave that red dot on him. You have the perfect shot for seconds. Oh, yeah. That's where you thought the director was gonna take control of the movie. And also, there is a stadium full of armed people. Right. He also could just be like, shoot him. Yeah. Go back and shoot him. If you ever want to, don't do this. But go back and watch that scene, because they're all kind of like waving their guns here. Yeah. And they're like rubber. And they're just kind of like doing... They're going like, blah, blah, blah, blah. Well, they've been one over by an amazing basketball performance. And we know it's amazing because they put it in slow-mo. Oh. This is... I love it. And Kurt Russell made all these shots himself. And he was one of the writers of this movie, right? Yes, he was. So he just wanted to show off his basketball. First and only writers credit, and apparently his real addition to it was the ending, which would be the only thing that would be slightly different. What a basketball in this movie. Yeah. This is some of the best basketball. Okay, right in traffic standing up. Why does he make eye contact with him? Because he's like, look what he's going to have. The wasting time, bro. In these seconds, he could have moved. I don't know. And he keeps it together. Yeah. It would have been great if he missed. Do you know how many people could do that? Like, nobody would ever die in that challenge. Because it would be easy. Okay, well according to Quarvo, every fucking person died in that challenge. And by the way, why is there such a big crowd of everyone's dying? He'd be like, oh, I guess I was going to execute somebody after they make six points. Like, I mean, it's like, it doesn't seem like they're not playing against each other. Like, there's no, like, that's the undefeated team. Like, you got to play the big man. And all of a sudden, like, Shaquille and Neil makes a acting appearance. Great. And he's like, covered head to toe in some sort of steel, not just costume steel from the movie steel. But, you know, he's just wearing steel unrelated to his performance in the movie Steel. Yeah, just give him something a little fun to wear. Oh, that seems like a farmer sort of. Sort of. Old-school nights armor. What? From Marlowe and Spike Knight. What? To play basketball? Who knows. It's a future. It seems like it's a steel guy. Kiss, kiss, kiss. Yes, kiss, kiss. Maybe, maybe he's like, you know, got a big hammer like that character steel, but it's not related to this again seems like steel. No, I don't know. And, you know, people call me hero and whatever. It's no big deal. That is for sure steel. Um, now I know, I know weatherman, but that was a lame tsunami. Hold out. What? Well, not professionally. Amateur meteorologist. You bet. Um, but no, that tsunami that they prepare for didn't seem to be that, actually kind of seem nice. The one that that, The one that they were serving. Yeah, that's really good. Right. Snake. They're really able to surf the tsunami with a bullet in his leg. So, it can't have been that bad. And have small talk. And high five. And jump on the back of Steve Vishammi's car. He loves the jumping on a car like this guy. Oh my god. How did this scene happen? It's still out of fucking control. And still no mention of his sickness that he's dying so soon. Right, right. Yeah, you think he'd be like, Oh, I really gotta solve this whole thing. Well, you know, he did cough a lot. That's true. Throughout, just like. But notice that they would ADR coughs in a lot. But here's the thing. Spoiler alert. It's not really a point. Oh, wait, is this for this movie? Oh, okay, guys. Uh, wait, no, no, you, you saw it. But, uh, he was never sick, so snake is like a psychosomatic kind of character. Like, he sends him the flu, they said. Oh, okay. Oh, right. That's true. That's true. That's true. It was the equivalent of the flu. They were like, you fucking idiot. You don't have the flu. You fell for it. You eat it. It's so funny if you get to blow his nose or the entire movie. The most, the most unattractive like with Angus, it's like. Right. You just have diarrhea. You just have diarrhea. I guess I'm a virgin, see? Yeah. It would be amazing if you just got diarrhea. Yeah, yeah. You're like, we just gave you diarrhea. You ain't gonna die. You gotta surf the synonym. He's like, oh, are those of you at home? I just, I'm like, I'm getting some of the greens like that. It's a smart idea. Yeah, we gotta give him diarrhea. Yeah, yeah. He's gonna be shot. He's not gonna know because he's have explosive diarrhea. I'm like, they gave up on him so quickly when he first landed there like when he gets calmed you're like, that means dead. Yeah, yeah. Wait, just give him a sec. He's, here's the, here's the, and I love snake bliscin. I love snake bliscin. He's got a snake in New York. He's a fucking idiot in this movie. Every movie makes, from the minute he maxes out the sub. Why didn't he got the, why, why max out the sub? Why didn't he do that? Why crash the sub? Why do every thing, every step of the way he's caught by everyone. That's all right. Everyone knows snake. Everyone catches him. Yeah. Everyone knows him everywhere he goes. Snake bliscin. And he's basically like, where's Quarvel Jones? Bang, bang, bang, bang. He's like the least subtle, least effective. And everyone's like, you're shorter than I thought you were. Yeah, yeah. Which I liked as a runner. Sure. Like, you're a tiny hunk of a man. Right, right, right. Oh, yeah. But he, but I guess my question is too, like, he, I guess he's never at peace, snake, you know? You know, he put him on the treadmill. It's LA, baby. It's LA. Maybe they were thought there would be a basketball game coming up in his future. He ended that cardio grade. Was it to warm him up? Like, honestly, why did they put him on the treadmill? Like that scene where it's like, you got to fill in shirts, pay, insurance paperwork. Hey, before we put in this execution scenario, we got to make sure you are a physical. Yeah, we got to do a stress test on your heart. When they cut to Cuervo Jones, talking to the world, like, I'm going to do this thing and I've got the button and blah, blah, blah, blah. Snake, let's get back around. He's in the background. And that's how they realized that. And they say, he's just like, wait a minute. That's snake, buskin. Why is he on a treadmill? I don't know. He's doing a turkey truck. I don't know why they put him on the treadmill. But the other thing about it is like, he, I think this is what the problem with the home movie is. It's written by someone who was doing some sort of drugs. And there's like, elements of it that's like, yeah, this fucking gonna be great. And then these other parts are like, put him on a fucking treadmill. Put him in the hand glider. Right, just like. He's in the crash into a Matterhorn. Make that a moment. Yeah. It's a fucking Matterhorn from Walt Disney World. It's like, it's not like that. It's not that like an imposing mountain. Right. Pull up, pull up. We're going to hit this fire glass mountain. It's maybe out of Styrofoam. Oh, my. It doesn't work. He, if there was a, what was it here? This is a. Wait, you guys, why did he, when Pam Greer was talking, why did he go like, I'd recognize that voice anywhere? Because it was his old partner, the car thief. Oh. They had, they had been together in Cleveland. Okay. Yeah. But of the lost Cleveland crores. It was like fast, eddy or whatever. Right, right. Carjack. Carjack. Carjack, he used to be called Carjack. Wait, was that correct? During Escape from New York? No. No. Okay. No. That's why you were joking about Escape from Cleveland. What? But we almost need these same Cleveland. Yeah, that's to make this movie make sense. I'm telling you, I will finance the making of Escape from Cleveland Kurt Russell. Call me? That's kind of what. Carjack Malone is also based on a dude that junk carpenter knew. I need him all my characters, people I was who sell me cocaine. Oh, legend. You'll be in the movie. How much for this? You guys, can I ask the audience a question? Yeah, please. One time a dude told me that I look like Pam Greer. Do you guys think I do? No. No. I thought it was pretty cool. It's not a bad thing. It's not a bad thing. But it's definitely not true. I kind of think I do. I kind of see it. Look at me from the side. I mean, do I look like Kurt Russell? I mean, do I look like a shark? I mean, do I look like a shark? I wish. All right. This is the thing that made me most upset about this movie. And it was not anything that was on. If you guys, let me ask you a question. If I put on a beret, would I look like Quervo Jones? Yes. If this movie gets made. If this movie gets made. Back up, boy. Like. Not, not wrong. Jason, that is your Halloween costume. And everybody will know. Quervo Jones. Oh, I'm Quervo Jones. You know it. You know it. You know it. You know it. You know it. You know it from Escape from LA. From LA. You should hate it. Quervo Jones. No, I'm not Jaguavart. No, no. I understand how you might think of Jaguavart. No, no, no, no. Quervo Jones. Quervo Jones. No, no, no. Not Balky. I'm in the remake. I'm not Balky Bartogamous. I'm Quervo Jones. Yes, I know it's racist. But. Okay. Your favorite thing. My worst thing was this. This movie shot for 70 days straight. Only Night Shoots. Whoa. Oof. That made me like real bomb. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's hard. And that's why I think the treadmill's there. I think that's why it's like. Oh, man. I don't know if I can do it. We have a treadmill. Can I just go home? Yeah. Can I just go home? Yeah. I don't know night from fucking day. That's how to make someone insane. Yeah. 70 days. And he's not really off screen. And he's not really off screen. And he's not really off screen. And he's not really off screen. And he's not really off screen. Really off screen. And ever. Oh no. So that would be hellish. Yeah, that's true. Now I feel bad for saying you're not fucking. Night Shoots and doing this movie at night. That's not happening. Yeah. And like getting the script and being like, okay, what do I say here? You could kind of feel that. You could kind of, I felt like you could kind of feel the actors a little bit like being embarrassed. I, not to keep on going back, but when he got in that submarine, he kind of was like, I want to make this. He's not as belly. And that was, that was, I was like, okay, he's not into this at all. Actually, I just, I just had a memory of watching the movie this very day. Just two days ago. And sitting next to my dog and like looking over at my dog and being embarrassed that I was watching the movie. I will say, I got the dog, the dog playground there. It's like, oh man, I got to watch, I watched both of them. What? Yeah, she only had to watch one for the podcast, but I had to watch both. Yeah. I like that you think it's called a dog playground. Hey, thank you guys. What happened, fun dog? We're just having a great time. No, I never, I never even check the dance what's happening. Well, let's go to the audience. Let's talk to the audience. Oh, these assholes. Well, let's see, they've already been so vocal. But let's see what you guys have to say. Oh, let me bring my bag of goodies for you all. So if you, I want you to give you your name, a name of a character that might exist here in Escape from LA. Oh, there's someone dressed up like snake, putskin. Oh, yay. All right. Darcy, don't fuck this guy. Drunker. Amazing. Wait a second. Is he a hologram? Yeah. I put my finger, Jason, he's coming for you. Bring him up here, Darcy. She's going to she underhusband. I'm normal horny. All right, sir. Your name, your character name from some of those. This is very cool. Well, the jacket is legit. My name is Blake. Blake, Blake Plisky. Blake Slick. Oh, don't look at me like that, asshole. You left the house with a eye patch in your pocket. He's way too committed. I'm scared he's going to murder us all on stage. Bangkok rules. All right, and name of a character that could exist in this world. Blake, Plisky. Love it. And your question, observation or explanation, hope. Question for the curly hair guy. I hate you already. Oh, my God. This is so bad. He's cruising for a damn brazen. Yeah, brazen. You mean qurivel, Jon. You thought I was funnier? I thought you'd be funnier. Oh, it doesn't matter. You paid for the show. Your money's in my pocket, asshole. Did you really come up for it? Oh, and then you should say it. I invited you on stage. Blake. You can't wear that outfit and then make fun of it. Yeah, back to your seat. Hey, Blake, that was a question. Go back, Blake. Blake, Blake, Blake, BOO. BOO. Well, that's what he wants. That's what he wants. All right, yes, your question. Would Kurt Russell be as famous, as amazing as he is, if it wasn't without that beautiful, beautiful hair? The hair. The hair is amazing. Yeah, hair is almost everything. I'm trying to give you a, I agree. I mean, I agree. It looks, and he looks great. He looks amazing. He's like an incredibly handsome man. He's got a luxurious hair. He's got a beautiful hair. He's got a beautiful hair. He's like an incredibly handsome man. He's got a luxurious head of hair. He's like a, like a boyish, like, like, kind of... What? I'm just noticing no women have raised their hand for this movie. That's a very, oh, there's one over here. I see some gals. Come here. What's your name? Amy. Okay, great. Hi, Amy. Hi. A name of a character that could exist in Escape From LA. Donald Trump. Okay, great. Love it. And again, sheepishly, I like it, and then your question. I'm just going to agree with his comment. How does the snake go? Are you pointing at me? Yeah, you. Okay. All right. Thank you, Amy. You're still talking to a name. You're just going to agree. You're not like a forum. We're not like voting on things. I know your name, Jason. Thank you, Amy. Big fan of the league. Huge fan of yours, Amy. Huge fan of yours, Amy. What is I'm here tonight? Oh, my God. I love connection. I was on the league, too. I know. But you're married. Okay. Someone's getting a socket locket. Who? Jason? I think that's technically a socket cocket. Guys, I got to go. I'll see you later. Blake, how do you like him now, Blake? What's in his question? Oh, yeah. What's your comment, Amy? How does this snake dodge bullets? It's just what you said earlier. But then he gets hit by the bullow. It's called a bullow. Yeah, bullow. Right? I looked it up. That's the guy. That's Queervot Jones' weapon of choice. The same weapon that a thunder cat uses. Is a two-weight on either side of a string. Oh, yeah, that thing. He's also trapped very easily by a net. I'm going to say that. That's the one. That's the one. He's also trapped very easily by a net. He's bad at his job. Right. But by the way, you're trying to escape the knockout shot. That net part was kind of Jurassic Park-y to me. Like the part where the guy was like, you know, he was like being flanked from all sides, or girl or whatever. It's crazy to think that that's the same fucking year. Yeah. I'm going to kill myself. Darcy. Maybe Steven. Maybe Steven Spielberg took every good computer editor. Like, so that one year, every other movie sucked. All right. So, sir, your name, your character name, and your question. Here we go. My name is Ben, and my character name is Hunter Mongoose. Oh, I like that. I love that. That's legit. By the way, get it written. Yeah. Yeah, just make it. Hunter Mongoose is definitely an escape from Cleveland. Yeah. Hunter. Put it on the cake, Charter. Hey, part Android. I'm going to just put you on pause for one second. Yeah. Ma'am, are you asleep? You are though. Boy, bro. Boy, bro. Boy, bro. She's asleep. You by the way. We will say it's pretty much. She's pretending it's a blind test. She's kidding. I will scream at you. You are five feet away from me. You cannot fall asleep during the show. Do you understand what's happening? Okay, good. Paul, please continue. Yep. Okay, Hunter, Hunter Mongo's your question. So every time Snake spends any length conversing with a woman, someone is either shot. He is shot. He is theoretically poisoned. And the same thing happens in Escape from New York. Yep. Has a conversation and she gets consumed by the sewer. By the ground, yeah. So even that they up the level of this, why do you think they thought it was more important to include more, you know, like was it hammering in the point of just if Snake talked to women terrible things happen? Wow. Yeah. I got to see. I did sort of notice that. But like anytime he had any sort of even remote love connection, it was like, it's not that very terrible thing of like motivating a man by killing the woman that he might be interested in. It is like a fairly reprehensible thing. Sure. But that is perfectly in line with this era of moviemaking. Right. 1996? Yeah. Your name? Your name, your character name and your question? My character name. I got the mic. Okay. My character name would be Blake Pliskin, the copperhead from Cleveland. Okay. Wait, you just took the... Blake Pliskin. Blake Pliskin. No, but there's... Blake Pliskin, the copperhead from Cleveland. Yeah. Okay. But let's keep moving forward. He's a snake. He's not examining too much. Uh, my question is based on your expertise, which do you think Snake is best at hang gliding, surfing or basketball? Surfing. Surfing. Surfing. Surfing. Surfing. Surfing. He was shot in the leg and he was just fucking cowabobbing. He was definitely hanging loose, bro. He was absolutely hanging ten, my man. He was shredding that n'ar. Anybody who can have a casual conversation with Peter Fonder while surfing in a tsunami with a shot leg? Yes. And remember when Steve Buscemi sees him when he like, when they like make eye contact, he's like, whoa. Like that. Well, the tsunami wave is at the same level as the highway, which is perfectly broken for a tsunami wave to go by. And they're like, he's looking for him. He's like, my bro's surfing. Yeah. He's like, like, surfing music, like, dickdale style. Surfing. Wow. Do you think when they were filming it, the director was like, okay, now see Buscemi, look to the camera as if you see them surfing the tsunami and you're surprised to see them. Bigger. Bigger. Bigger. Let's do it again for the bigger, surf and the tsunami. Let's do it again for the bigger, surf and the tsunami. I cast you for those giant eyes. Let's see them. Pop those eyes, Buscemi. Pop them. Remember you're a weird vague agent. A vagant. A vagant. The end of the movie is Kurt Russell looking down the barrel of the camera. Yep. What the fuck was that? He finds a pack of cigarettes which are outlawed. No, they were cloves. I think it was a clove. No, they were American spirits. American spirits. Yes. Although they were brown. They were dying to look like a clove. But I think it was probably like a natural cigarette. Well, it's 2000. I know what American spirits used to be or something? Like, yeah. Weird brown gross cigarettes. Maybe. Like a package of cigarettes. Oh, there goes our sponsorship, Jason. Ooh. I'm just kidding. Smoke him if you got him. Delicious, yum yum tobacco. So he do like, Gerrini brown cigarettes. He takes a draft. What a look gross in European. But it's one of the most... I'll look like you work at a head shop. And he looks down the barrel of the camera is like, what's this thing? This is the future America wig. Welcome to the human race. I mean, it doesn't make sense. It doesn't track with the homies. It is so weird. Also, also, sorry, also, Cliff Robertson also says at the end, he says, this will be the final solution. Oh, yeah. He like has a weird knot. That's what I'm telling you. There is just a lot of half ideas. Right, right, right. For own there. But like, welcome to the human race. This is what Kurt Russell had. I don't know if this is the only thing, but like, we can't crack this movie. It's been 10 years. We can't crack it. I was like, I got it. I got it. Welcome to the human race. And we'll work backwards from there. Because... Oh, how it ends. So now we'll construct a movie that leads to that. So now the whole country will be in darkness. The whole world. Yeah. Just that night. Right. Oh. That's okay. What is he fixed? I truly thought when he pressed that, but like, I thought the fucking world was going to explode. Yeah, me too. That has been a better moment. It just leads to the pilot of the TV show, Revolution. Right? What was it called? Yeah. Right, thank you. But that moment where he looks into the camera, I was like, this is just too much for me. That's when I looked at my dog and I was like, I don't usually watch movies like this, Penny. That's when you were like, this is too much. This is it. The last second you're like, this is fucking it. Yeah, I can't do this once I'm done. Well, here. That's Santa's been there the whole time. The credits better come soon. What Santa? Apparently there was a TV series planned for Snake in the early 2000s, but it was turned down by every network for being too dark and too bleak. Well, by the way, that would probably work now. I was gonna say, it might, it's not impossible, but. Yeah, and then it was the third movie, I'm sorry, it was Escape from Earth. Oh. And then it was Escape from Mars. Oh, so it was going to be four movies? Yes. He's gonna be, this guy's always fucking escaping. Hey. He's like, can I just get settled? I want to see just like a snuggling guy. Yeah, but he's just like a serious version of snakes. Snake. Snake, like redoing a home in his scene, how just comfortable. Snake, Snake just becomes like the Wilson from Home Improvement, it's like next door. Hey, Snake, what do you think? Well. You got your son's becoming a man. He's gonna challenge your authority. I mean, happy wife, happy life. I did want to know like one thing about Snake. I wanted to know like what his damn life was like other than that he was famous and taking it. He was taken by his tall, yeah. Well, obviously we have an opinion about this movie. There are people out there that have a different opinion and it's now time for second opinions. Quarvel Jones and me, we're gonna be breast-brose. Utopia is the best name for this movie cause it totally fucking rules quarvel Jones. Second opinions. Yeah. Love it. And you're snuckin' Give it up for Tim. Yeah, Tim. Tim. Tim. Tim. Tim. Tim. Tim. Tim. Tim. Tim. Kiss. Kiss. Kiss. These are five. These are five. These are five star reviews called from Amazon and there are some great ones. There are so many good ones that I really had a hard time narrowing them down and I was like, I'll do it before the show. But I didn't because they were still we're so good. All right, I'll start off with this one by Lorraine A. Wharton written in 2013. What could be better than to watch and rewatch and watch again? Hunky Kurt Russell dressed in tight black leather. This is a completely unbelievable outrageous flick that takes you outside yourself and totally immerses you in that world. Great twist at the end. Love this movie and I have watched it over 30 times. What? Five stars. By the way, I'm Kate Hudson. Oh, my God. Okay. Here's another one that I really liked. This one is by James Ortega. I'm rating this movie five stars because I want everyone to see me in it. That's right. I'm in this movie. As the Chinese gang banger who unloads the magazine of my Uzionk Kurt Russell. I remember. I got you super talented. Did you like, did you like, did you like, and did you like run into a Dick Tracy car afterwards? Of course I miss. I'm the kid in the front spring. The nine millimeter all over. Then I jump in a black car and take off into some ditch. I fucking remember this food. Watch the movie and look for me. Five stars. That's great. That's how you make it in all of it. I'm going to sign this guy. I want to be his man. I would love it if that review got him other work. This one is just worth reading because it's the first time I've ever seen this in any review. And this will be the last one we read. A State from LA is a movie that will gain popularity as time goes on. This movie is a good B movie action and entertainment. Snake plays by his own rules. His loyalty is as only as dependable as the leash to keep him on. And the second he's released, the simplest act totally knocks the power elite off the throne. Bottom line, this one has a better sense of the absurd and more biting humor with just as much action. I prefer it to the first, a dendum. Written three months later. Since writing this review, I've watched part of the original. And I can see why many fans prefer it. That's so funny. Three months later. Three months later. So good. Went back. And actually, Renee Gunn has first reviewed. Three months later. Jake, Jake, hey, my bad. Uh. Actually, those are five reviews called for Amazon. But anything else to talk about before we kind of get into the wrapping it up? Anything that we missed? I'm sure there is. But we did cover most of it. 45 minutes or so, but not even talking about the movie. I do think the trailer that you've seen before. You still awake? Yeah. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I thought the trailer that you played for us before was pretty dope. The trailer is pretty great. Yeah. Yeah, the trailer is, uh, I love that. That's great. Yeah, that's a great thing. You know, trailer for the movie as like this very, uh, it looks like you're at a movie theater. Yeah. And then it slowly becomes the world that snake puts in. It's a bummer. This is a bad movie. But I will say, unabashedly, I love it. John Carpenter is a fantastic filmmaker. And even though this is a bad movie, and he's made plenty of bad movies, there are like, there's stuff like that. There's stuff in here that I'm like, ooh, I still, there I like John Carpenter. I like what's at play. A lot of times, even though it's terribly executed in this instance. But I think, like, here's the thing that I feel about this movie that's weird. Is it cost almost as much as drastic part? Yeah. That's crazy. And I feel like, but ultimately, it's almost like a meta thing because he's like saying, fuck you blockbusters. Yeah. He almost is like, I'll give you a blockbuster. I'll make the same fucking movie again. Right. And it's not like it's sort of like, it seems like, fuck it. I feel like there's an energy of that to it. It doesn't seem like he's trying. Right. And I've like, I've been playing that for a long time. Yeah, I've played that for a while. Maybe I'm wrong about this, but I almost think if either of these were remade today, it could work. I think it's skate from New York, I think. I will play Quervo Jones. I think it could work. I think it could work. I own a beret. I think it's a cool idea. And I think that this one, especially, you know, as people talk about, oh, California is just up right from the United States and all that sort of stuff, it's interesting. I think the power structure of the social world of it is really great. It just feels like it's all, it feels like the first 15 days of shooting. Everyone's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I was like, how many more nights you should play? Where's Kurt? Yeah. He's still playing basketball. We gotta get him. We gotta get him in here to shoot some more of this. When's that surfing scene? That's surfing scene. Would you recommend people watching this movie for this purely for this purpose? And we know how you feel if you're a dog owner, don't watch in front of your dog. Don't watch it in front of your dog. Would I recommend this to anyone? Yeah. For this purpose. Not just as like, you know, you wouldn't be like, yeah, you should see Moonlight and you should see a skate from out. Like, it wouldn't be like that. It would be like, yeah. No. Okay. No. Okay, great. I would recommend the first one. But even then, not... Not really. Yeah. All right. I would definitely recommend this. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. It's worth a watch. Definitely. 100% yes. Yeah. And I agree. Watch them both back to back. You know, and if you haven't come by the end of the first one. You're gonna take the second one. Or in Snake Putzkin's eye socket. Yep. Ooh, that moist socket. Ooh, socket. I agree. I think it's... I think it's... It's stuck it to me. Guys, it's late. I enjoyed parts of it. And I like, I really do have a love-hate relationship with this movie. Because I think there's some of these are great. And I think there's some of these that are just really, really bad. All right. So that's that. Let's talk, Dan. You have a brand new special on CISO called Lion. Yes. And now, and then the people can follow you on Twitter. They can follow you on Instagram on Instagram. Yeah, yeah, yeah. At Dan Levy. Darcy. Paul. You are on a hugely successful, critically claimed new show right now. Talk to us about that. When is it on? What's all the details? It's called The Good Place. It comes back January 5th. Where can people follow you? You know Twitter and Instagram at Darcy Cardin if you feel like you want to do that. I think people would like to do that. Absolutely. I follow her. She's great. I follow her too. I follow you guys. Like around the neighborhood. Yeah, stop doing that. So queer of all of you. I'm like, ooh, look at this, honey. You're throwing doves at her and they're just not flying away. Jason, what would you like to like your January? Here's the thing. At the end of the show, I'd like to apologize to Blake Pliskin for not being funnier tonight, even though I crushed hard. You can follow me? No way. You want to apologize to the fucking woman that you love that? I want to apologize to Sleeping Lady, although she has not slept since. So... She's wearing her last thinnest. So I think I did a pretty good job. Very awake. You can't follow me, but you can follow us at How Did This Get Made on Twitter. Yes, and I think we're on Tinder now? We are on Tinder and Grindr. I think we're on Tinder and Grindr. And the weird thing is we'll just show up and we'll go to a bathroom stall with you and just talk about bad movies. That's what we're doing every time we play at the same time. It's late and it's been out for a while, but I'm still going to promote it. Watch the Gilmore Girls, guys. Yay, Jason! You are in it. I mean, I might be in an episode of The Gilmore Girls, so don't worry about it. If you believe in it, guys, dreams can come true. Is that character here tonight? Robert, you mean Robert Castellanos? Esquire? He's not here. Yeah, that's my plugs. All right, great. I can't think of any good plugs right now, but I will say thank you to everybody here at Largo for coming out. What a great audience. Amazing crowd. Sign up for our brand new mailing list. We're going to announce our live shows with a little bit more notice and we'll be able to give you some info and scoop if you don't have Twitter or Facebook, which seems to be a common complaint now. And? I guess eventually we'll get down to making a zine. So I thought it was easy. Soon this podcast will be released only on cassette. And then that cassette will have to be retrieved by Snake Pliskin. And if a Blake Pliskin will be there trying to kill him. And trying to kill you. Yes. And thank you guys for staying so late. Great idea. Thank you to Avril Halley who put together all these amazing clips and things I didn't even show you, like the hand gliding machine gun or how the hand gliders in this movie look like the birds from Birdemic. A big thank you to Alana Waldron, Nick Kylie, just all of our research and found out all that information about Escape from New York. And everybody, you're all. Thank you so much. Bye-bye. Um.