Summary
The episode explores author Frida McFadden's recent revelation of her true identity as Dr. Sarah Cohen, a practicing physician who wrote bestselling thrillers under a pseudonym while maintaining a secret double life. The hosts discuss the logistics of maintaining dual personas, compare it to radio industry practices of fake names and backstories, and examine the broader phenomenon of authors using pen names to separate professional identities.
Insights
- Maintaining a complete dual identity requires extensive coordination of backstories, public appearances, and interview narratives to avoid contradictions that could expose the deception
- Gender-based genre marketing drives some authors to adopt opposite-gender pseudonyms, suggesting persistent reader biases about who writes certain types of content
- The entertainment and media industries have long normalized fake personas and assigned names as standard practice, though the level of commitment to backstories varies significantly
- As digital footprints and social media expand, maintaining complete anonymity becomes increasingly difficult, forcing long-term secret identities to eventually go public
- Professional reputation concerns (McFadden's medical career) can motivate authors to separate their commercial and professional identities despite the operational burden
Trends
Author pseudonym revelation as marketing strategy and career milestoneGender-based genre segregation in publishing and reader expectationsDual-identity maintenance becoming unsustainable in the social media eraMedical professionals pursuing creative writing as secondary careersDomestic thriller genre dominated by female authors and female readershipCelebrity culture demanding public persona consistency across all professional domainsRadio industry legacy of assigned stage names versus modern personal branding
Topics
Author pseudonyms and pen namesDual professional identitiesGender bias in genre marketingPublishing industry practicesCelebrity privacy and public personasDomestic thriller genreRadio industry naming conventionsPersonal brand managementInterview backstory consistencyMedical professional secondary careersBook-to-film adaptationsThe Housemaid movie adaptationAnonymous author marketingSocial media identity exposureEntertainment industry persona creation
Companies
Netflix
The Housemaid film adaptation was produced for Netflix, with a sequel in development
Odyssey
Radio company mentioned in context of former employees with fake personas and backstories
Georgetown University
Mentioned as the institution where one host worked in college promotions
People
Frida McFadden
Bestselling thriller author who recently revealed her true identity as Dr. Sarah Cohen
Sarah Cohen
Real identity of bestselling author Frida McFadden; practices medicine while writing
Sidney Sweeney
Stars in The Housemaid film adaptation of McFadden's novel
Anne Rice
Historical example of author using pseudonym Anne Rampling for erotic fiction
J.K. Rowling
Harry Potter author who wrote under male pseudonym Robert Galbraith
Floyd Landis
Cyclist who lied about doping; compared to McFadden's deception
Mark Twain
Historical example of famous author using pseudonym
Elliot
Primary host discussing his own experience with stage name Russell the Love Muscle
Sarah
Co-host who previously went by stage name Danny in radio
Quotes
"I'm at a point in my career where I'm tired of being a secret. I'm tired of people debating if I'm a real person or if I'm three men."
Frida McFadden•Mid-episode
"She wore disguises. No. I swear to God. So she looked different every single time she came here."
Sarah•Early-mid episode
"If you're a man writing about a domestic thriller, it's not as appealing. So they would change their name to be female."
Elliot•Mid-episode
"You can't then say something that contradicts the story you've told. And what has to be many, many interviews."
Elliot•Mid-episode
"I was single and ready to mingle. We had so we had to portray her single."
Sarah•Late-episode
Full Transcript
The housemaid. I don't watch. I know it's Sidney Sweeney that I do watch. But the person who wrote the books, are you a housemaid person? I have read her books. I did not. I thought I read this one. I read one called The Maid, but I have read her books. They're very good. Her being Frida McFadden. Correct. Right. How many books has she written? Oh my gosh, probably 80. I feel like seriously she's. Okay. She's not Stephen King. She probably has written 30. 30 books. Yeah. I'd have to check. But yeah, I mean, every time I turn around, she has a new, new book coming out. And I haven't even read the last one yet. And I can appreciate that she is very famous. Like I, I haven't read any of her books. I haven't watched The Housemaid, but I can, I certainly know who she is. And I certainly understand how famous she is. I did not know who she was. Remember we just talked about The Housemaid the other day for the sequel or whatever they're going to call it. Housemaid 2. And I, didn't Sarah give us the plot synopsis? And I was like, that's what it's about. Yeah. Oh, I've never, I've never seen it. That was the wrong one. This is The Housemaid. I thought it was The Maid. Right. You dummy. That's quite good. But yeah, she's a maid in a hotel, not like this one where she is working for a rich family. I was not familiar with the name. Yeah. But you knew, you knew Sydney Sweeney. Yeah, I know. That's it. That's horrible that you don't know the author. I didn't even know it was a book. Oh, I feel like I knew that it was, I feel like I knew that it was a book. I didn't know how many books, Frida. I don't mean to be like pegging people based on gender, but I think more women will have read her books than men. Oh, okay. That's fine. You've been here long enough, Sarah, to know that. What you meant to say is, I'm surprised Elliot knew who the name was. I'm surprised. But I bet your wife reads these books, but here's what I, here's what I did not know. Frida McFadden is not her name. What do you mean it's not her name? That's not her name. It's not all their books. Frida McFadden. Her name is Sarah Cohen. Is that a pseudonym? No, it's like a whole separate identity. Oh, so she makes appearances like people see Frida out and about. Yeah. Like who has a famous, who has a famous non-deplume? Like, like I can't, nothing comes to mind. Mark Twain. Yeah. OK, that works. But the there. So Frida, Sarah, the Sarah Cohen, the real woman's name, the woman's real name, I should say, she's a doctor. Like that's her profession. No way. No, I swear to God. You are serious. You're serious. Yeah, she writes a book every two weeks. She's a doctor. But didn't people see her out as the author of The Housemade and other titles? Didn't she go sign her books and stuff? She sure did. Yeah. And people that's actually our fellow doctor. No, because she wore disguises. No. I swear to God. So she looked different every single time she came here. I feel like Sarah is lying to me. I'm not lying. Oh, yeah. No, I legitimately don't know the person. No, no. I listen. I wore disguise like this is me as Frida. And when I go to work and put on my white jacket, this is what I look like. The bestselling author known to the world is Frida McFadden is revealing her true identity. McFadden, whose prolific output includes The Housemade and other domestic thrillers uses a pseudonym, also a wig and glasses to maintain her privacy in public. When she first began publishing, she didn't want. Oh, so she's a doctor in real life, but she didn't want the two worlds. To not not combine, but to be together. OK. And I don't know why she thought it would be not distracting, but like people at work, like it would be a problem at work. As her popularity grew, so did her secret on the heels of her first Housemade movie. And a second one on the way and all of her best sellers. McFadden says it's time to reveal my real identity. I'm at a point in my career where I'm tired of being a secret. I'm tired of people debating if I'm a real person or if I'm three men. I'm a real person and I have a real identity and I don't have anything to hide. So were there people who thought that makes you think there were people who thought like, oh, Freedom McFadden isn't even the author. It's just people are people are writing the books and hiding behind that name. It's happened before that. Oh, sorry. A gender doesn't. You're a woman writing about spies. They don't want to read it. Men don't want to read it. If you're a man writing about a domestic thriller, it's not as appealing. So they would change their name to be female. Oh, really? So that's why perhaps they thought three men wrote this because if we know it's three men, we're not going to read these books. Where the wig is bad? Like, did she not trigger people, but did she make people suspicious when she did this? Oh, like did her? Yeah. Like, did the wig look like like when people look at her and go? There's no way. She's hiding herself. Yeah. But or I mean, listen, she's got enough money. She can get a decent wig. Like you're saying that you know her, but you don't know what she looks like. She's got glasses. Well, you said that. Yeah, no, but I mean, I wouldn't know. Like, I mean, I wouldn't know. Isn't her hair kind of like like wispy? Like she's very wig, though. She's very this sounds horrible and I don't mean for it to. But she's very generic looking like you don't look at it. For example, there are there are there are things about Sidney Sweeney, that kind of stick out, right? Like you wouldn't describe Sidney Sweeney as being generic looking. There and again, that sounds horrible. But you see what I mean? It's like she she is very nondescript. She's got reddish hair and I mean, she's cute. I mean, she pretty. I don't know what you want me to say, but there's nothing about her that is kind of like, oh, look at that wig. But she doesn't have reddish hair. It is fake. Well, no, the reddish hair I saw. What did I see? This is all which is all. Did you see when she have had in any public appearance prior to this big reveal? So what color is her hair? I don't know. Well, I've never seen because I read Kindle. I've never seen the the back page where they have a picture of the author. Another reason to get off the kind of another reason. Wait, so what is that? How many people were in on the secret? Her and her publicist, her publisher. But no one figured it out at her job. She said that there were a handful of people that had a guess or suspected it, but she would never confirm it. He keeps donating books to our lobby. Where's she getting all that? They're all signs. But also now, and I understand she did say like as as her as her fame grew, that that sounds wrong because it wasn't because of her fame. But as her fame grew, her time was more was taken up more. So she started cutting back. She's treating brain disorders. It's it's not like she's just, you know, yeah. No, no, like she's got a legit job at a hospital or in the medical field. So it's not like she's, you know, like the receptionist and she's just going on break. So she started to cut back on her time at work because she was having to travel and do book appearances as as as Frida and then go back as Sarah. But you also wonder if she wasn't because it's made into this big movie. If she wasn't expected to be on the red carpet and didn't want to start doing red carpet appearances in Hollywood with her bad wig. But I said she did it for the house, man. I see her. Yeah, she was there. And he was there with the bad wig on. Yeah. Maybe it was hot. She's saying bad wig. Who was who was the last person that wasn't there? Somebody here who had a rug to pay me. What color would you want? The dog? I know some people color the dog. The I do not color the dog. Not you. Oh, I mean, people. And who are we talking about here? Here. Was it there? Somebody here we were talking about. Yeah. Who was it? I'm not going to say the name. I don't remember it either. Write it down. I don't remember it, but I but you're right. Somebody here was was it coloring or did where they wearing? The most recent one, I think, was wearing somebody here was wearing a wig. Who was wearing a wig, Kristen? You're saying a male covering up the baldness, not a woman trying to look different. Correct. OK. Yeah, correct. So which person are we looking at here? That's Frida. That's Frida. Yeah, the housemaid red carpet. Wow. OK, the wig's not bad. No, like that she's got money. She could buy a good rug. So when she was interviewed and maybe was asked questions about her, she's got a little bit of bea visitis. Her past, her childhood, her upbringing. Yeah. Was it all? Oh, I don't know what the back story is. Like, I don't know what her I don't know what her fake story is. Because if you it's one thing to be a pen name, but be anonymous. It's another thing to have to make these appearances and do these interviews. Where'd you go to school? And your whole story for any sort of interview question and answer. You you have to have answers. So this may have done her more bad than good. So this one is just a perpetual liar. Like does. Jenna Bush, I see the interviewer for the Today Show. Does she feel like she got Floyd Landis? Floyd Landis. The cyclist lied to Elliot's face about cheating. You remember Floyd Landis? Yeah, he came in and was and was couldn't have been nicer. I was going to do a charity bike ride with him. I love the guy and he swore up and down. He's clean. He's clean. He's clean. And I did. I was I love Floyd Landis. Yeah, liar, big liar, just like Freda McFadden. At least it's a uniform lie. Like it wasn't just you. He lied to. Yeah, he didn't. He didn't. He didn't take out. He didn't take off his his biking outfit and go by the name. My name's Jim. I know. But if I'm someone who sat with her. Everything you there's no way you can tell Sarah is her real name. Sarah Cohen, you can't if you're Freda. You can't tell Sarah Cohen's story because you'll be uncovered. Yeah, right. You know, you got to have your own story. And then Freda's got to have her own story. Right. Or so she's clever or whatever. But you can't then say something that contradicts the story you've told. And what has to be many, many interviews. When does she first start publishing books that got some press? I don't know. She's been around 12 for some years, right? Quite a while. A couple of workers did find out, but they were really nice about it and kept her secret. Many of them were already fans of her books, but had no idea that they had been working with the author. When you, Elliot, were Russell, the love muscle. Oh, yes. Yes. At Pirate Radio. Did you have to create a backstory? Well, I'm not going to go that far. But when people talk to you at promotions. Did Russell live in quotes? A different life than Elliot. No. So you would say, because L.A. is where you would get one pizza and that would be your dinner for the whole week. Right? No. Well, yes. Yeah, I need half. But Russell would do that too. It was the same person, Tyler. I know. I know it was you. I'm saying, was there any element of Russell that almost got it because Russell was a scientist to you, right? You didn't pick the name. Correct. That is correct. Yes. But were you assigned any traits that you had to keep up? No, and neither was Norley Charlie nor nor Humpty Humph or Brother Bill. Like you were who you were. You just had a stupid radio name. So not even a look that you had to in public keep up? No. No. On the air, I didn't know because it is a an audio based medium. If something was said about. I only know I only knew one person in radio who had a fake name, but there was also a bit of a back story written into it. Here we go. Oh, can you not say? I don't want to say. Oh, no. I don't want to say. I don't want to say. Sarah, do you have anyone that you can say? Wait, hold on. Is this I just feel like this would be wrong. It's. Elliot, what? That's who you're protecting. Yeah, fine. Don't say I'm not saying it's fine to say. I mean, I get why you're doing it, but it's also absurd. The I agree. But there was some backstory built in on that. Back to Sarah, not Sarah Cohen. Like he didn't go to Drexel. I know people who have lied about who they are and stuck with it, but not a completely different persona. So like the fake name and maybe some fake backstory like, oh, I went to Drexel. Actually, I had a friend who told everybody he went to Drexel, even had a tattoo. No, I'm sorry. But this is not a radio friend. Yeah. Oh, it is. Yeah, I'm just saying. Also have a friend who lies. I don't think so. No, but he same thing, literally had a Drexel tattoo and never went to Drexel. No, idiot. Right. But but did they get that tattoo for some fandom reason or got that to keep the story going? It was part of the whole story. Oh, my God. Yeah. Wait, I missed the beginning part. I was thinking about. Wait, so wait, who is this person? A radio guy. Right. And so did he work in Philly? He was from South Jersey. Right. And which is Philly and worked, yes, worked in Philly. And so he had kind of developed his own little back story, which wasn't real. It got a Drexel tattoo. Yeah. That would be like me going out and getting a University of Maryland tattoo. Yeah. Is that where Russell went? Now, I don't know what to believe. Do I know this person? I don't think so. Oh, you might write it down. No, no, this is this is our cave. A. The what? Like, I'm not going to say it. I just want to know if I know who it is. But even amongst us, there should be some secrecy. I don't like you telling me that you were Russell. I knew that. It keeps coming out wrong. I knew you were Russell. Well, can I ask you this? Can I ask you that I only knew you as Danny? Correct. And I only assumed that you started going by Sarah because you were working with Bonadouche. That is what happened. Right. I was Danny for a very long time. I don't know if your real name is Sarah or your real name is Danny. Based on your email, I'm going to assume it's Sarah. Well, that's a brand new email. But but yeah, when I knew you in New York, you were new of you, you were Danny. Yes. Right. And and when I joined Danny Bonadouche, they're like, that's too cute to be Danny and Danny. Right. So I mean, I've had a couple different names in radio. And I will say, as far as like a fake backstory goes, I have had program directors, bosses ask that I be single. Even though I wasn't married or in a committed relationship. So that you came across as like misavailable. Yes. Did you push back on them? Initially, no. I think once I got married, like that's that's not cool to my husband. Yeah. I didn't really tell him that I was when we're boyfriend and girlfriend. It wasn't as big of a deal. But once you you're married, like that's a huge. Why weird? That's very odd. But then did you have to avoid going? Can we just ask who the person in Philly is? Like it's killing me. No, but this is good if she had to portray her single. Because I'm thinking, oh, go ahead, go ahead. Could your at the time it sounds like when you got married, you you swept that away. Yeah. But when you were dating, could you not appear? And he oh, no, he never showed up. Oh, my God. I was single and ready to mingle. We had so we had to. Can I ask about can I ask about the person in Philly? Because I know that this is not a real name, but would it be Chio the hit man? No, damn it. I learned that this week. That's big. Two of our producers in Philly had kind of fake backstories. And one of them was this guy. Backstories. OK. And this other guy is is still with Odyssey. And his whole thing was that he was like, I'm so metrosexual when that was a word. And and like that was his persona. So he would have to dress like that to go out. Mm hmm. Who's that? Do I know his nickname was Metro? No, but do I know Metro sexual? That was his name on air. OK, well, the hit man wasn't his real name. But do I know whoever this guy is? You might. Yeah, but I want to know. I mean, you could just Google that because now I did just out him. He doesn't go by that anymore. But so being assigned a name was too much. OK, nobody is choosing Russell the love muscle as a sign. A story. No, no, no, no, no. Scott would call me Elliot half the time. You think he'd remember my back story? How often did that happen? Probably once a week. Twice a week. Hey, Elliot, I mean, Russell Elliot. Like, yeah, like he could remember. Like, didn't you go UCLA? Like, he's not going to remember that. Did the others get their real names mixed up with their fake names? I don't know. Let me ask Todd Humpty. Humpty Todd. Yeah, all of the only one he got right was Brother Bill. I forgot my name on the air once. Your own name? Yeah, because it was a fake name. Yes, I was working in like a bunch of different radio markets. How stupid was it? The name, the name. I was pretty stupid. Carly Thomas. Oh, my God. And I finished. I was doing a traffic report. That's the name Carly Thomas. I'm so clever. And I was like, yeah, with your traffic, I'm. And I just exploded laughing. I had no idea what my name was. Not a clue. And how long did that one have to travel with you or not travel? But stick with you? Yeah, not that long. Probably a year. A year. Yeah. Oh, Carly Thomas. Wait, so where did where did Danny come from? Steve Kingston, who was the name of my boss at the time. Wait, so he was like, your name is going to be Danny? Yep. Right. He said, Steve Kingston, not his real name. Well, no, it's not. Come on, man. We're ruining every everything for everyone. Steve Steve is his real name. The weekend is all about suspending disbelief. This is your blast off. And now you're going to say the weekend's real name isn't the weekend. Where am I going? Line one. Hi, Elliot in the morning. Hey, so just to add to your conversation about pen names and rights, I can't remember. It's two initials and then Rockalyn. She did books called The Claiming of Sleeping Beauty that were very sexual, like very sexual, like the claiming, if you get it, of Sleeping Beauty. Right. I know she had a pen name for a while about those. But did she did she? And then I then I want to ask a second question about it. Was she doing it as like, did people not know that it was Anne Rice or was it? And and Rice obviously was very famous because of all the vampire stuff and the voodoo stuff and stuff like that. Very, very, very sweet lady, very nice lady. But was she was she writing those other books and going, I'm just going to like, did people know it was Anne Rice? But if she released a book under that name, you knew that so there wouldn't be any confusion or anything of like, Oh, is this a vampire book or whatever? And I hate to just diminish her and call her a vampire book, but you just knew like, Oh, that's when she writes her romance novels. It's as whatever, right? Or no, I'm yeah, I'm going back like 25 years, maybe even further. And when they first came out, now they do say Anne Rice, known as Anne Rice. But when they first came out, no, it was not known. So she specifically was this is a whole other person. A whole did she have a whole different back story? Like in the on the floor where it says about the author? Was it like she hates New Orleans? I don't know. I do have the books again on Kindle, but I had the original books and I wish I still had them. But I'm wondering if it was because of the Jeneer, because it's erotic literature. Yeah. No, I mean, I but I I get that. If you if you were trying not to confuse two genres, that I that I guess I can understand. But then you would know the same thing like the about the author would be about the author. But what about the Harry Potter lady? OK, Rowling, OK, Rowling. Yes, she wrote nothing about her. She wrote a book as a man. And I don't know if she told or if she got outed or if she had a back story for this dude, but she wrote a book after Harry Potter under the name like Richard Ray or whatever. Yeah, Richard. Richard Branson, but she never showed up in like full makeup. I don't know. Big lump in her pants. Hello. All right, very good. Thank you. Thank you. Man. I Romeo. Here we go. Right. Oh, by the way, Romeo. Now, there is a there is a Romeo on the radio. Also not his real name. Man. Romeo. Isn't it? Isn't it? Do you know his real name? I don't. Isn't it like Tim Tim Dittrick or something like that? It's like some weird name. Tim. Oh, it is Tim. Yeah. Well, I think it was weird. Last name begins with an H. Hat trick. It ain't. Hat trick. It would be awesome. It isn't his dad is a really famous. No. Yes, we're. Yes, Romeo had a question. Where is for now? Two things he writes. One devastated all caps. He did not pick Russell the love muscle for himself. And how about this? You want to talk about callback to what was Tyler's name on hairband heaven and headbangers? Hell. How crazy is that? OK, I I mean, I remember the tape that you gave me. I didn't give it to you. We you you give it to Joe Bevilacqua. Oh, that's right. That's right. I think Colin signed off on it. That was a radio show. Just a shift I pitched when I was working part time in promotions in college. Yeah, it was still at Georgetown. Now, we did bring it up on the air. Correct. But I was not on the show when we brought it up. No, you were still working in promotions. It was like we're in the front desk. Yeah. Wow, that's a memory. So what was it? I here's what I could tell you about Romeo. Yeah. He smokes less weed than I do. My name was Tyler. And because of the nature of the show, I did within five minutes, make a joke about cream jeans. I remember was that your name, Tyler, cream jeans? Mr. Cream jeans. The Clarenin Ballroom. No, I because I remember when we played the air check, right? Air check. Whatever audition tape. Diane was horrified by that joke because it went against like who I was. So maybe I was a character. I would just name the back story. What's your back story? Oh, I love sex. The sunset strip. Yeah, sex. Drugs. I mentioned rock and roll. Why can't I keep wanting to say Ben Ghazi? What was the name of the club you always bring up? Oh, um, um, it's not Ben Ghazi. No, no, um, Gazerys. Gazerys. Gazerys. Yes. Yes, that too. That too. You should go there with Nelson. First song. Do you remember the first song on that air check? Honestly, no. Like, why would I commit that to memory? Because thematically, it works for three weeks. I've struggled to not say Danny. I don't think you've ever messed up, though. No, I didn't. And it was weird. I mean, if I'm being real honest, when Sam and I were talking about it, we were like, let's call Danny. And the whole time I was like, that's all I knew you as. And I was like, but I can't call her Danny. It sounds too, it's too close to Diane. So I guess we'll go with Sarah. Like, I just like that was the weird name to me. But I'm someone who was here with the last dinner club, I know from New York. And she was out with Tammo and said, oh, Danny's so great. I'm so excited to see Danny and Tammo was like, who the hell are you talking about? Right. And it took him a while to piece together that it was me. That it's Sarah. Yeah. Yeah, no, it was weird. You would have called me Diane if my name was Danny, for sure. No, no. I mean, I don't remember anything that Romeo's talking about. What, Tyler? Kristen, did Elliot ever call you Kaylee? Yeah. Sarah, you're very, very much onto something there. Oh, wait a second. You didn't guess the song. Wait, which song? Oh, I don't know. I don't know. It was autographed. Turn off the radio. Oh, what does that make you think of Vegas? Vegas. Yeah. Oh, remember, we didn't go there this year. Yeah. Damn it. Line one. Hi, Elliot in the morning. Oh, hi, Joan, Anissa Claw. Hi, Sarah. Hi, Joan. Hi. Hey, you know, I just want to say, Anne Rice used to go by Anne Rampling when she first started out and she wrote some quite decent housewife smut. Oh, really? Hey, are you a big Anne Rice person? Not really. It's kind of good, but she also kind of goes off the rails a little here and there. But yeah, I've enjoyed some of her novels. So did she do that because she wanted a new persona or because she didn't want to be the what did you call it, housewife smut? Yes. Probably get away from that. And I don't know. She her husband was Stan Rice. Oh, so she got his love. Yeah, that would make sense. That would make sense. I appreciate it. Thank you, ma'am. Thanks, yes. This is more recent history, but. Oh, God, here we go. Oh, wait, did somebody guess the second song? This makes. Remember, yes, more recent. I played it four minutes later. No, it's a DM, so I'm not going to say the name. But it's weird because in February, they they messaged something about Mr. Leonard. But he writes, the guy sleeping on the couch had the wig. Yes, yes, yes. Everybody remembers everything but me. What is Kristen saying now? Turn yourself on. Turn yourself on. That's right. That's right. And we but it was was it? No, he came in and he came in and addressed it. But there was somebody had left a wig in there, even though his hair was thinning. Yes, Kaylee. Yeah, who was it? Rick. Rick. That's right. That's right. And there's someone in the pit who colors his hair. Cruz. No. Who used to get like it frosted until he had a kid. Right. Wait, who colors the dog? Dennis. Dennis colors the dog. What, like lighter gray than darker gray? Really? Dennis colors the dog? I had no idea. Compliments to the chef. He probably does it at home with a bottle. You would know. Well, remember, Josh used to color his face. Oh, yeah. Yeah. We told him to stop. Yeah, no, because it would do it. You're not fooling anybody, which is why this is not died. All right. Very good. Very good. They love the walk down the radio road. It's fantastic. Was Russell your only fake name? No, there was one other. But you know this. Well, now I feel bad if this bit of trivia. I don't ask Romeo. He'll know it. You get so upset that Elliot doesn't remember everything about you. This sounds like it wasn't him using this name on my show. Can you get me the market? Houston. Oh, no, that was the intern. The intern. Who was the summer intern? So remember, it was a different time. Yes. OK. Oh, geez. The stuff we used to name people. He wasn't a summer intern. Oh, he was our student exchange. Our exchange student, yes, who was there working. It may have been during the summer, but that's when Dipty Potem duty was there. He was Indian. Well, that's actually he came from India. And the guy doing the voice actually did an Indian voice. He was not Indian himself, but yeah, Dipty. And he had a song. Dipty Dipty Potem duty. Chris, do you remember his name? He worked with Mr. Letter. Thank you. No, I'm sure that, yes, we've talked about that. You think we have you just don't remember? Maybe you're right. There was there was also a nickname, the Candy Man. Oh, you have said that. Yeah, it was Kevin Kane. Yeah, you have said that. Thank you. Thank you. I got to leave pub trivia now. See you guys next Friday.