Replica or Recreation?; THAT New Car Law; GT500 Review

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And on this episode of the Smoking Tire podcast, we are driving a Revology GT500. This is a 1967 Shelby that contains no parts from 1967. Very interesting. Plus, I have an update on the Project Mercedes, a secret racing technique from Tommy Kendall that I'm now practicing in my free time, the new driver monitoring bill, and what is the difference between a replica and a recreation that's today on the Smoking Tire. Hi everybody. Shout out to the captain and this cyclist. It's the Smoking Tire podcast on motion, on route. A car podcast from a car. Somebody should do a car show in a car. Someone should do that. Maybe with coffee in the box. This is a new idea. I just saw some like AI slop Instagram thing that was all, someone sued Seinfeld for $100 million for stealing that idea, which may be true, but it still came from AI slop Instagram content. If it's a little loud in here, that's because we're in the Revology 1967 GT500. Mm-hmm. And it's the fucking titties. I think is an official term is this car is the fucking titties. It is the bodacious Tata's. It is the delightful Pozangas. I don't think I've ever heard you speak this fondly about any car from the 60s that wasn't from Germany. Because, yeah, right. And that's because unshitboxing vehicles is very difficult, right? And that's why most people don't do it. But like this company just built a whole new one from scratch. Yeah, they use modern engineering. Yeah. And they they heard everyone's complaints from 60 years ago and whatever. And then they go, all right, how do we make it look exactly the same? But get rid of all those rattles and problems and stuff. And they've done an absolutely phenomenal job. Yeah, it's fucking stellar, dude. And there's, you know, there's a couple of things that are not maybe into my eye touch, not quite up to the this one is $380,000 price tag. But dynamically, nine out of 10. Yeah, I think for what it is, it's like it's a nine out of 10. There's a few things, the brake pedal being too soft at the top. That's what I would say could make it a 10. That would make it a 10. Breaks that are like super confidence inspiring. It just feels like the beginning of the pedal is moving, but doing zero. Right. And then it comes into play later and they seem to grab. All right. It's not hard to stop the car. It's just hard to heal toe because that the spot where this pedal is dead is the spot where you need your toe to be in order to heal. Yeah, because my toe is too far down once I get to actual brake pressure. Oh, I got you. You're too far down the. Yeah. I've got to come back now. You know what I mean? But like that not withstanding, like there's just so many things I enjoy about this because the body still moves like those cars in 60s chase scenes move a little bit, but like in a much more controlled way, like more controlled, more predictable, more grip. And the steering is like, I don't know. I assume the ratio is different from when it was stock, but there's just virtually no slop in it and something about this wood rimmed, like Nardi steering wheel just makes me so happy, especially in the city when I can like palm wheel it a bit. I feel cool as fuck, dude. It makes you feel very, very cool. And I think that's what that's what most of us used to do for me is they made me feel tough because it's got like a good deep growl to it all the time. And it's, you know, it's like the bad guys car or whatever. In this case, it's the good guys car. Like usually you'd have to put up with a car being kind of a shit box in order to get that attitude of cool, but like this one, like it's not that's nice. It's not it's not rattly or shaky or like it essentially rides and feels and and and and in most ways is kind of like a new Mustang, but to the things I touch isn't. It's sweet. And most of the things you see look old. Yeah. I mean, with the exception of like the stereo and some other things we could get to. But if you like, if you turn the stereo off and the AC off and you're on the highway at 70, I feel like the noise is almost as quiet as a new Mustang, new Camaro. You just get a little whistle off these side scoops that do nothing, which is silly. The sun. The scope is nowhere. They pass through or they just a pocket that catches air and slows you down. It's really funny to think about the scoops to nowhere. And we really only ever gave it much thought for the first time, or at least I only did like today, like in the late 1960s, they've just won, you know, Le Mans with the GT 40s that have those trademark side scoops. Here's this front engine car that absolutely does not need them, but they could capitalize on the styling familiarity of them. How funny. That's true. And I think I used to I used to talk a lot of crap about some of the aftermarket companies that would stick on scoops. Yeah. And I'd go, these are so dumb, they're non functional. I didn't realize at the time that these cars from the 60s had non functional scoops. Oh, I'm curious. I wonder if the race cars, if they cut a hole and then they would like cool the diff or they could send cool air to the brakes. But obviously the road cars like the GT 500 back in the day was the 911 Turbo S. Like it was the most expensive one. I have a gentleman's car. Aggressive Miata behind me. I'm going to give them a point by as soon as I can. Sorry. Yeah. No, go ahead. The GT 500. It was just it was the most expensive one. It was fast, but it wasn't a like Canyon track car. That was the GT 350's job. Right. So they're not going to have, you know, diff coolers coming from the scoops, but to your point, they want a peacock a bit. Yeah. And it's also the 60s where you got things like the judge, like everything that was a cartoon graphics and scoops. Everything was a cartoon and trying to it was all Tata is trying to draw attention. That's all that is that was don't classic cock. Murdered out Caprice with fucking NASCAR Steel. That was really cool. That's a man of taste. I hope it handles and drives well. Yeah. But so Revology, this company, and by the way, I should say it, there's going to be a disclaimer in the video. I financially benefit by Revology keeping their press cars at WCCS. They store them there. They pay my business to store them. And so this, this is a company that I do earn money from by renting them space for their press cars. Okay. So if you think that invalidates what I'm saying about the car, I understand. That's fine. I have a conflict of interest. They'll sell you essentially the same power train and performance package across their whole model line. Manual or automatic, NA or supercharged, but with any body from the 1960s. So you can have your 65 convertible or coupe, narrow wheels, total sleeper with the blower all the way up to your boss 429s and your GT 500s and everything in between. And the prices sort of vary from like the middle 200s to the high 300s. This is pretty much at the top tier of what they do. Yeah. But if you're listening, listen. Oh yes. It's very, very nice. Well, also if people are worried that, you know, your, your words have been bought and paid for you pointed out a lot of negatives. Oh yeah. Video review we shot. You actually, we did a breakaway where you point out all the things you don't like about the interior. I didn't do it. Matt did it. There are a few things. Yeah. These, these switches, which are in my peripheral constantly, which are the wind, the inner window switches because you have on the door those fake window cranks, which are switches, which are cool. But then there's a redundant switch on the dash and that redundant switch is like straight up radio shack. It's radio shack and it's right, you know, in front of the shifter and, you know, but like what we have for people listening, the whole center console is brushed aluminum. So it's very bright and it's very obvious when suddenly there's two black rectangles that look like they come off a boat. Yeah. And that's what rolls the window down. So that looks terrible. And then above it, we have a doubled in stereo that doesn't look good. Look, the graphics are gold, but it's also slightly at an angle. Like it's not mounted. It's not squared off with the rest of the dash. That's not great. And it's just, there's a, there's like four things that in this car are surprising, like surprisingly cheap feeling or looking when so many other things look and feel expensive. Like the HVAC controls are awesome. Like it feels like metal. The slide action is really nice. The gauges are beautiful. The metal work here on the dash is awesome. And then, you know, you go to put the window down. The top half, the top of the dash is fabulous. Yeah. The bottom of the center console, not so much. Yeah. But the driving is awesome. Yes. It's, it's like, it really is how I would prefer all muscle cars drove. If all muscle cars drove like this, I'd like muscle cars. I think this is what a lot of the Resto Mod Pro Touring community was after. Yeah. But they were trying to do it, you know, the first step was. Sure, the old car. Well, yeah, because that's what you had. So the first step was subframes, right? And that would allow you to get different suspension or steering racks. That's the car. There it goes. Somebody had a bad day. Someone had a bad morning. This was messy. Yeah, around here. Yeah, go on. And then, you know, the next step was like an art morse and chassis. You get a full chassis in there and that's going to allow you to have a much more rigid platform. The suspension you put on will benefit more. But this is obviously the nth degree. You have a whole new unibody, you know, engineered as perfectly as you can. And I think it really speaks. It really comes through in your hands in the way it handles the way corners. Like it's really, it's great. What is this guy doing? Moving out of the way for us. Like a kind gentleman. Everybody loves this car. Yeah. Everybody thumbs up. Did you see the guy going the other way on the big bag or bike? Yeah, I do. Give me a fucking hell yeah, brother. Everybody loves this thing. I parked it outside. I got a blue bottle. Got myself a shakerado yesterday afternoon. Dude, every man stopped and took a picture. Yeah. And across every age demo. At first glance, I mean, not even at first glance. At most glances, this looks like to the untrained eye just a beautifully restored 67. Yep. Like it because it's it's not it's not like rest of modded. It doesn't have like extra louvers or extra anything or reshape this. Like it looks like you think it's supposed to look like you're expecting. But then underneath. It's hell yeah. Kind of it drives like a new GT. Yeah. You know, with like a track pack. But then when you get out, the proportions are still right and the size is still correct for the old car. And we saw a car up at Good Vibes this morning where they tried to take an old shaped body and put it on a new car. And he had to stretch all the proportions because you're taking a car that was made 60 years ago when everything was when those cars were smaller. You can't do that. The proportions will not translate. You can't just scale up. That was brutal, dude. Yeah, it didn't. It just completely changed the shape of the car. So this is accurate because it's the right size. Yeah, all the proportions are right. And because it's not fully a new GT underneath. It's a new GT as far back as the gearbox. The rear end is a solid rear axle with a Watts link. So it's not like overly modernized. It still kind of drives like a muscle car. Just a much more refined one. Yeah, I think we get about 85% of what the muscle car vibe is. And the other 15 of that comes from things that most people see as negatives. Right. If you're a muscle car fan, which I am, I grew up with one in high school. Imperfections, rattles, smells, the sound, all that stuff. You kind of come to like that, but only because it's the price you have to pay. And so this doesn't have all those things. It's a little quieter in here. And I think you lose a little bit of the violence, the romantic violence that old cars have. But the benefit is I would drive this across the country. Yeah. I mean, any. I would daily it. Yeah. Are you suggesting this is not violence? Oh my God, that's so fast. It's very fast. So fast. This is faster than any old thing I've ever driven because the power just gets down. It's put down to the wheels. Yeah, it's so fast. And you look at the speedo. And again, speaking of the refinement, it's so quiet and smooth in here that when I looked down at the speedo earlier, I was like, oh, I'm going that fast. Like that's what German cars do. It's not a 10 tenths car, right? I'm not inspired to take it like to a track day per se, although somebody might. I'm not. I'm not inspired to do that. But like, do this open sweeper life, the drive to Palm Springs life, the rip it up PCH to for car week life. I am seriously about, you know, I think it shines at that. I think there's just there's too much metal under the hood to handle really good for a track day. Like when we were going up to a good vibes, I think I hit like the eight tenths line and then you start to see the lean in the front. Yeah. In the corners. It's just a lot of weight. If I was going to get one of these, I'd probably just get the NA engine. Right. Save some weight. It's still going to be really fast. It's going to sound almost the same. 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See website for full details, restrictions and important safety information. Individual results may vary based on studies of topical and oral minoxidil and finasteride. The this car the 500 comes with the blower standard. You get the GT 350 is the NA version of it, but you also lose the funky side scoops which is good. I would say that's a that's a net positive. I think my favorite body style that I've seen so far is the 70 Boss 302 which has the updated interior and the high back seats. Yeah, I prefer that just preference. But also I saw a Shelby GT 350 66 that was absolutely delectable. And those have a slightly different interior to this one as well. But the door slam on these things is like a modern car and I absolutely love that. And the effort is barely more than driving a modern car. And I love that. But it's just like, yeah, it drives kind of like a new GT, but like raw. Yes, it's it's not it's not it's not it doesn't have all the sound insulation. You hear a little more of what's going on. We see more like the A pillars are small like the GTs are huge these days. So this I think this is like if you close your eyes, you get a lot of new GT. When you open them, obviously you get 67 GT 500. And the size would you at this stop sign for Favourre, please double check that the hood is latched properly. I'm looking at it. Is it wiggling? It's not wiggling, but it doesn't look like it's quite lined up. And you just take it. Is yours through your shirt? Yeah, sorry. I got OK. Sorry. Yeah, good opportunity to have a sip of water. That's good. Yeah. All right, cool. Okay. It is latched. Okay. It's a Okay. There's just I guess a slight very slight hood misalignment, but in a way that if it like that looks like it could have been, you know, I didn't want to find out the hard way. Yeah, of course. So anyway, jump on the highway. I love the I love the gauge, the whole gauge cluster. I absolutely am a vibing with. Yeah. I love the amount of space, the leg room, the fact this rear seat folds down and you have a huge hatchback. You could put like a drum kit back. I think there's speakers between the wall, right? Yeah. So if you didn't have the speakers, you could. The only other negative is like, I think these seats, they just don't work for me like they sit too high up, but they're manual sliders. So it's almost like they took an electric seat and they use the stock bracket that came with it, but then they use a manual slider because it just seems like there's a ton of dead space under it. And so I'm just sitting a lot higher than I'd like to be. You know, I don't know if that's where like this thing is, you know, 380. It's not 700 a million. And that's why if you compare it to cars that are that expensive singer stuff, gun. They're like, all everything should be perfect because it costs all the money in the world. But I think, I don't know, a Sparko seat with a little better shape mounted lower. I don't know what's that $2,000. Like if you're spending 380, all right, charge me 385 and just give me a different low back seat that has a better contour for it. I agree. I don't I don't. I think this seat isn't great and I would like one with a little more side bolstering or something. I mean, you can make it look right. Yeah. And still have a little bit more support. Yeah. But in the important bits, the dynamics, the tightness, the quality. Yep. I mean, it's like a 95 out of 100. I agree. It's it's it's. Yeah, it's a brake pedal feel away from being a 99, you know. Yeah. But whoever did the damping Bravo. Yeah. This is great. It's fabulous. And then on the highway, it's good to soak stuff up pretty well, but it's not too floaty. I want to go do 2000 miles in this fucking like I'm going to ask them for to take one on a road and track trip. I think it'd be kick ass. I don't think there's cruise control. There wouldn't be right. Probably not. No, probably not. I love this corner. Load up the front end. Wee. And actually a lot of times when you upsize the stock wheels, they don't look very good. But I think this wheel going from a 15 to a 17, it still looks pretty good. Yeah, it does. It feels the well of well enough. But but again, it's like the body didn't grow too much. Yeah. So I think that helps. And it's still enough. There's enough sidewall. I think when you get into 18s, yeah, or beyond on old cars, when you start rubber band, tiring it, then it doesn't look very good. Yeah. 18s are no good at all. That's why we're doing 17s on the Benzito. Oh, I have an update update from Matt Quick down there and quick classics and Nashville. Few things of interest he found upon and further inspection of the Benzito. One, probably could have guessed it, but all bushings are shot. No, no. Shocker. Weird. Shocker all bushings are shot. And two, he forgot that the Mercedes convertibles have some supplemental underbody gracing versus the sedans. And so he has to take off the bracing and make a new bracing that will clear the supersprint exhaust. So that's a that's a thing. He said, NBD, no problem, can do, but that was a surprise. And then the the one that was actually a surprise is that at some point, I don't know whether it was this time, last time or another time, somebody strapped the car down incorrectly onto the fan down, strapped the car down on a truck wrong and fucking tore out part of the like unimoddy somehow. Whoa. And so he said it's like not a huge deal. You just like weld it back together and either he can do it or Sean can do it. Like that's a thing. Wow. That's why, you know, jacking at the right place is important. Yeah. Anchoring at the right place is a problem. Wrapping cars down on trailers and transporters. Yeah. See, I just got a hell yeah, brother from the guy on that bike too. I mean, everybody likes that. Everybody loves this stuff. 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That's T R U E W E R K.com code tire true work built like it matters because it does guys taking a break from the action because support is coming in fast like Jim Farley, the CEO of Ford who's now got a podcast and you're always asking me what I'm listening to when not recording this show. And right now it's this, the new season of drive with Jim Farley in it. The Ford CEO talks to some of his favorite people about what they're driving and what drives them to succeed like Formula One driver Daniel Ricardo. Listen, there is a well worn trope about racing drivers not being interesting to listen to. But if there is one that is lint interesting to listen to it is Daniel Ricardo. I think this guy's takes on stuff and life are great. And look, Jim is a racing driver also. I personally raced against him like two months ago. And for me, a CEO that drives race cars on the weekends is about the pinnacle of CEO dumb when it comes to car companies. So the two of them together obviously have a lot of things to discuss on drive with Jim Farley, which you can get on your podcast app. Very easy to find drive with Jim Farley. Check it out. Zach has researched and the embargo thing is such that our Evoluto video will come out tomorrow if you're listening to this normal release day. So go watch that on YouTube, please. It's a it's a thing where you give them a Ferrari 355 and $770,000 and you get back a crazy thing. Yeah, a real crazy thing. One of the most beautiful cars ever made and then they changed it perfectly. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. So worth watching. How about can we talk for a second when Zach and I were in the car with Tommy Kendall going back to the airport from the race and Tommy was talking about his skip shifting technique. Yeah. That was very interesting. So conventional wisdom and airton Senna is that as you're downshifting to go into a corner, you go boom, boom, boom, boom, five, four, three, two, right? And Tommy did an experiment in like the 90s where he tried to break to make it for the corner without doing the blips, just breaking enough to make the corner and then breaking while doing the blips and realize that he was losing valuable time by doing the blips. Like he could break 50 meters later for the corner if he wasn't doing three downshifts, which in an IMSA or a Trans Am race is very big deal. But so instead what he would just do is just slam on the brakes from fifth or whatever and then right as he turned into the apex, give it one small blip because by now you're going much slower and just shove it in second and skip straight from five to two and that would save him 50 meters of braking. That's fucking crazy. It really highlights for me how precise the racing drivers have to be at that level. I mean, at any level, if you want to be the best or win like 50 meters, 50 meters at 100 miles an hour is a millisecond. You're covering so much ground. So it almost, to me at times it goes, oh, what's the big difference? But like the difference is who's getting to that corner first? You know, who's getting out of that corner first and that adds up and you win the race. But it makes a lot of sense because I like getting rid of the mental bandwidth required. You know, when you downshift, you're going, all right, is my ankle in the right angle to brake and then I have to rev. So I have to tilt my foot to get that rev right without moving my big toe or changing the pressure on that brake. And now I have to do that three times approaching this corner at very high speed, also monitoring my mirrors. There's just so much thought that has to go into what is my ankle doing right now and is it doing these different funky moves or you can just go, it's going to brake like it's automatic. And then when I get to that turn, then I just go to two and oh my God, it just makes so much sense. Well, it's like, it's, you learn, it's like the difference between going from intermediate to advanced and advanced to expert, you know, to go to, from intermediate to advanced is to nail those four downshifts in a row every lap and have that as part of your race craft. To go to expert is to question if you need them, right? You know, and then integrate that into your strategy and then not tell anybody for 30 years until you're riding in a car with them to the airport. Yeah. Only then it was like it kept it a secret, which makes sense. And it was, I mean, it worked out obviously because he won how many Trans Am Championships? A bunch. You know, a bunch of them. And then Tato are, you know, young phenom on the team. When we're talking about downshifting for corners in the BMW, which is paddle shifted CF8. Yeah, you can't skip in that one. No, you can't skip. But he was saying, you know, most corners you downshift, he would downshift at kind of a slow pace because the downshifting isn't helping him decelerate. He's doing all the deceleration with brakes. Yeah. But he said, but if you find yourself in a position where you need more brake, meaning if you press the brake pedal harder, you know, you're going to lock up, but you need to slow down more because you're going to go off or something. Then he would downshift more quickly because he can still use the engine to slow the car, but it won't lock the front. Sure. So then you're using shifting as a technique to decelerate, but only in certain situations. I wonder if Senna, was he using the engine to slow the car? He's braking so late. Probably. Or is it just a tradition thing? And you know, it took 10 more years for Tommy to go, wait, why are we doing this? He could have easily been either. I would be not the least bit shocked if Senna knew something that I didn't know. But I do it his way. So the result is the same. I've been doing it sequentially for my whole life. Yeah, you too. This car on this open sweeper road, I mean, it just doesn't get better. It really doesn't. These have a lot of the fizz. There's a lot of the wonderful and tangible fizz from old stuff, especially old noisy stuff. The person who went, imagine that, but not junk. You know, that's crazy. Yes. So much torque. So much torque. 600 pound-feet, right? Yeah. First power. And doesn't really seem like it until you look down as you go past 80 with your foot matted. And it's definitely substantially lighter than a new GT. So what it even, the power it has, it's using more effectively than it would have otherwise to a point. Yeah. Wow. Gear ratios are like perfect. Yeah, they are. So nice. So what do we have to do to get you into this Mustang today, Matt? Finance me. Zero down, baby. We can do that. Yeah, right. We can get you. I really want to, I want to ship one to Portland for the road to track event. That would be so sick. I'm going to call them as soon as we get back. I bet you they'll say no. God, I really wish Sarin and I had bought that GT350 recreation or replica rather. I bet you still can. One of those always come up. They do. They just got more expensive. And that was a true good one. But we'll find it. We'll find it again when the timing's right. Yeah. What else is happening in cars that needs discussing? Taycan is going in for an actual mechanical service this week. It's getting three recalls addressed. Whoa. All software. Where did my water bottle end up, by the way? I have some. You see it? Oh, there it is. Three software recalls. One for the 12 volt battery. And two for other things I actually don't even know. I only learned about them because I got a notice for one and scheduled the appointment. And they're like, oh, you have three. Oh, great. And then when I go over, when I pull the Taycan into my driveway, notably not WCCS because the angles are so good. But when I pull the Taycan into my driveway or other articulated entrances, the suspension, which is the air suspension in that car, it's a little creaky. It just goes errrrrrr. And I talked to our homie at Porsche and he said it's possible that the bushings are a little dry. They need some grease. They need to be greased. And that's a thing that happens in the air suspension cars over time. And so especially because the EVs, you're not taking it in as often for all changes and whatever. The car doesn't get inspected as often. So you just complain about it, that your suspension is creaky and they will lube it up for you. So OK, no problem there. But that's the first bit of actual warranty work. That's pretty good. That car, man, when you pull up like the Pan-Fenders, it's such a good looking car. Hell yeah. It is such a wise choice. And it's just like. And a great camera car vehicle. Oh my god, chasing you in the Alvaluto. I have an instant torque. I can get up on your ass really easily. It's super smooth. But then it's quiet. So if we wanted to do outside exhaust audio, it's not interrupting. And with the super low front cowl, I can see very clearly how close I am. So close, in fact. I may have gotten you a cracked windshield. Yeah, there's a little rock chip. Little rock chip in the window. It's OK. Maybe it won't get worse for a while. Throw that glue on it, whatever they do. I don't care enough to deal with it right now. But I just noticed that driving home after I dropped you off yesterday, I was like, huh, that wasn't there before. Should we talk about, have you seen the news about the bill they want to put forward? Cars from 2027 onward have to have very intense driver monitoring? Yeah. I saw that. Was it? Is that that all the cars would have it implemented in 2027? I thought the bill was written in that it was mandated that they study how to implement, which is not it being implemented. That is, yeah, I think what I saw is that it tells automakers that they have two to three years where they need to study how to do it. And the goal is to have a system where that has infrared cameras that monitor the driver and can tell if you are sleepy or inebriated. So basically every car would have its own breathalyzer of sorts, but it would instead read your physical cues, possibly your eyes, and then it would determine whether or not it should let you drive. So the big concern people have is, will it not turn on in case of an emergency? Because these things, maybe it will be perfect out of the gate, probably not. So if it misreads either someone's body language or, as someone else pointed out, like if you are in a state of huge fear for some reason, your pupils will dilate a lot. So it might seem to a person or a camera that you are on a substance, would the car not turn on? So those are things the OEMs need to be prepared for and sure they will. Is it designed to be an interlock type device where you get in the car and it has to analyze you before determining if it will turn the car on? I think with a driver monitoring system, it has to watch you drive for a little bit. And by then the car is already on and it may just give you warnings to pull over or stuff like that. I find it even in, I find it difficult to believe that this country would accept a car that won't, that refuses to be started or driven under suspicion of tiredness or inebriation. Alright so this was a 2021 law that was part of the infrastructure thing but it's going forward. This mandates that all new passenger vehicles have to be equipped with advanced, drunk and impaired driving prevention technology by the 2026 or 27 model years. Now 2026 so obviously they're going to kick that can down the road. The systems will use passive sensors and AI to monitor driver behavior and if impairment is detected prevent the car from operating. So yeah maybe to your point, if it feels like you are driving poorly, it will come to a stop or steer you to the right and come to a stop. I mean that is, it's a funny thing because like no legislator wants to be like, come out as like pro or anti-anti-drug driving, right? Because people die from driving and you know, nobody, you want to say driving is a privilege, not a right and okay they want to revoke that privilege you know if you're drunk. Okay but. Well what's funny is that, and this is from Motor1, NITSA says that no technology is capable of doing this accurately. Yeah. Of detecting impaired driving and automakers are supportive of the idea but you know the technology is not there. So yeah determining the difference between someone who is like you know just leaning on the door because that's how they sit versus they're drunk. Like what car do we just have that warned us constantly about being tired? Oh. Driving for five minutes and it would say hey you need to take a break. A little bit Volvo. I think it was the Volvo or the Hyundai. It was just overactive. Yeah. Oh the Hyundai Santa Fe? Yeah. It thought you were tired all the time. Hyundai Santa Fe kept telling me I was tired which it didn't know shit I was high as fuck. No okay. No but like the Volvo, we've had Volvos and it would do it after about 20 minutes if I leaned a certain way or it didn't move my head. Right. But it would wait 20 minutes but the Santa Fe would do it on a five minute drive. Yeah. So the technology is just it's too sensitive or not sensitive enough. And certainly not like it's not a legal you know you're not convicted of something. You know what I mean? You haven't been, it's not the same as having an interlock and where you literally can't start the car. I bet it's just a very very annoying driver monitoring system that fucking chimes at you and shit like. Yeah. And it says report says that no technology is available that comes close to achieving the necessary accuracy. And so they're concerned of course as we all are about the false positives like I spoke about if it thinks you're inebriated and it does something weird or stops or won't turn on and then you're stuck there. It could park you in a dangerous position. It could park you in the middle of an intersection. I don't know it depends on what it actually does. It strands you at the bar you're trying to leave. Right. Yeah. Try to get home to fuck. You know if you own a coop not enough room in there not really. So now yeah so yeah I mean look at getting delayed obviously and a bunch of people sent me that that link over the last couple of weeks. Obviously I'm against something like that in general because I like to drive shit faced all the time. Okay those are not funny. No I just I agree with with NIT so that that is not good technology right now. Yeah and then it would have to be I mean honestly if they wanted to do that they should just make everyone install a breathalyzer in the car. Like that would only work for alcohol but that's probably the largest contributing factor to accidents and that technology does exist. Yeah. So everyone would have like a little straw but a friend of mine had that straw in the car not great that's a tough look. Yeah not a good look. Were you blowing this tube? A judge says I have to have it. I mean it's a great great line from a real. And also there's a real scammy industry you know behind behind those things you know it's like a it's almost like a it's a third party service that does it on behalf of the court or whatever and if you if you get like a false positive or something or have to have it reset or something they charge you all this money for all this shit but your your car is stuck without it like it's a it's a pretty scammy industry. Do you have some questions? Yes I'm going to pull up the patreon. We have 40 minutes left on this drive. If you want to ask us questions for these and other podcasts patreon.com slash the smoking tire podcast is where to do it. It's where you get access to exclusive merch and collabs extra podcasting ad free podcasting live stream. Yeah. Getting it early and on and on and on and supporting people you like people you would like to be able to have homes and offices. There is wind noise at this speed. I can say that about this car. And what are we doing 80 allegedly. Allegedly. Duffel shuffle retirement club says with the boomer generation slowly passing away do we think their car collections will come up for sale for prices that entry level enthusiasts can afford or will they go to auction collectors that will just add it to their investment profile. There are rumors that we're about to experience a crash in the values of certain types of collector cars mainly like pre war and like 50 stuff because like 85 percent of it all is owned by guys that are in their like 80s and in not necessarily a majority but many cases their offspring aren't interested in the collections or can't afford to pay the taxes on it and are selling it and are interested in selling all collections. And so I don't know about like boomers who own stuff in the 90s that's like desirable already by by people of our generation but certainly it may be time if you ever wanted a fucking car from the 20s that was anything but like a Rolls Royce. You know you're probably a good time to buy. Yeah I think it's always just going to be supply and demand so if you know if a bunch of let's just say a lot of people that have cars like this you know original 60s cars if they age out of them and suddenly there's a glut of those for sale you know big collections there's only so many of those and there's way more muscle cars that were sold than there are collectors that have big collections. I think you'll definitely see prices come down on stuff as supply goes up. It's just a matter of like what can the market absorb or where do they what do they want. Oh my God which reminds me before you get to the next one we had a three minute version of this discussion on the side of the road but there are no 1967 Shelby parts in this car at all. Is this car a fake. Oh right. It's a fake car. I think it uses that creative term continuation you know the Jaguar did it with the VIN thing like it has been rebuilt so I don't think it's a fake but I think they've continued to develop it and build it so it lands somewhere in the gray area for me. It's hard for me to consider it a replica even though it is like the word they use is recreation so it kind of is. What would you consider a singer or a fake. A singer does start with a donor 9-11 right and it actually does. This does not. It's true. You know super performance cobras and GT 40s do not start with donors. Those are definitely replicas for me. Yeah but how is this different from those. I mean I'm not sure it is. Right it's a good question is this the most accurate replica because it's licensed by Shelby you know and it looks exactly the same way. A lot of the super performance or other companies they have to tweak things very slightly to get around that you know the copyright. I think it's also an interesting question because a super performance and they make a high quality product is why I'm using them. I mean it to be complimentary. Yeah. A super performance cobra is going to be about 20% or 10% of the cost of a real cobra. This car is probably 150% of the cost of a real GT 500. Yeah at least. You know so it's a replica but it's more. You know it's an improvement on in many ways so continuation I guess is right but it's not entirely it's not genuine. It's not genuine because also if it was genuine it would feel worse. Yeah. If it was a door it would be like I got it. Like it's better because it's not genuine. It's better but it's not remade the exact way it was before. I think the differences are more notable from an old Shelby to this versus an original cobra to a replica cobra there's a much bigger perception of improvement in quality in this. Yeah. From an original Shelby versus a kit cobra. Because the cobras were so simple and the replicas are so simple but these were trying to manufacture real doors and cards and make them kind of comfortable and it's like it's just a more complicated build. More pressed metal involved. Yeah. I mean the cobra was a race car. Yeah. It's not that hard to replicate a 60s race car. That's true. But this was a manufactured mass produced vehicle that's trying to be everyone's everyday car. Totally. I think that's a lot harder. You ask a good question like I think let us know in the comments if you think it's a replica of continuation or is continuation just the like you know white washed green washed word for replica. You know when it gets to a certain level of quality it's like supercar hypercar. Do we just want a new word because this goes above and beyond what you know the other versions are. Well in my limited experience driving it around and talking to people about it they don't they're not poo pooing it the same way they would if it was a replica cobra because it's better. You know so yeah. Let's go back to the people. Siggs inside said I took Zach's advice last episode and broke up with my girlfriend to go camping with my dog. Do we. Holy shit. Do we put forks up or down in the dishwasher. My I alternate so that they get washed evenly. I was told. I saw a video that was like you should just half an hour mix it all up that way if they if they're all upright they lay against each other and they might come out dirty. Some just washers have the individual slots for an individual. Mine does not have that. I have a mass grave of silverware. Jay Katz says recently a bunch of the prototype V10 Ford engines were listed on Marketplace. What engines could have been better with more or less cylinders. Wow. Well most V6's will be better as V8's or V12's or yeah. Most V10's I think will be better as V12. Yeah I mean Aston Martin proves that the Ford V6 is actually better as a V12. Yeah very true. And three cylinders sound cool but I think they're a little less balanced than a four banger right. That's hard. Like you know inline sixes are smooth inline five sound rad. Inline five sound weird. I like them. They're weird but I like them but I don't really like the way V10's sound for the most part. I know they're I hear it and I go yes it's fast and it's kind of angry and different but it's not like a CD I want to play or a Spotify. Yeah it's not my favorite. A CD. Do do do do. Sunny Kofak says what are our proudest moments in regards to our careers. I mean when I got to quit waiting tables to go work on a TV show about cars. Yeah. Like that was huge because it showed that my plan of not having a plan to move here and do that worked even though the show vaporized six months later. Sure. I would say road and track print massed head. Like being on like my name is a printed in the magazine because that was the magazine I read like growing up. What is your favorite podcast appropriate story from a road and track road trip. I mean are there any like all right fine. So what was his name at at performance car the year. We drive all the cars on the track and everyone's just just lapping whatever car you know is available and there's like two or three cars allowed on track at a time and you know everyone does five laps and then and then comes in and then we go on the road and on the road we drive the cars. We have a driving order and then a car order and you just go through that order and so every driver change I was driving behind a very talented writer called John Perley Huffman. He would drive the car and then I would get in it afterwards every every car. OK. But he has some like let's just call it gastric things happening and he would absolutely blow up every single car with farts. No every car. And so for I have the best job you know is literally the best job in the world right. Driving the best sports cars on sale today back to back with other drivers who you like and who have interesting things to say about all the cars. Race tracks beautiful driving roads. It's the best that's literally the best work week imaginable. Imagine that except every car has been thoroughly hot box with farts for like 30 minutes before you get in it. Wow. Having a good day or no. At that point you are but every time you're laughing and you're just like rolling the windows down. Wow you've never told me that story. Truly I kept that one under my hat. Geez. Let's see how the solid extra does. Let's focus on convertibles. Pretty good. Pretty good solid exit. Well there. I'd be on the radio is like Perley put the windows down. Prime that should. Uh ro ro ro your Bob Ackman says Porsche sold their stake in Bugatti to private equity. What do we think that'll do to Veyron and Sharon values. It's not morbid but Ooly Conkels Alibon. You know there was a shooting in Austin a month ago and a bunch of emergency responders were blocked by Waymos. I saw them. Yeah. So Waymos are going to go to Waymo officials are going to testify for city officials. Oh it's not really a question. Did we did you see that I didn't know that. I mean this is something like. I did see that. We've seen all these videos like they need to program something in an emergency. It's a problem they're they're obviously like they know about but yeah it needs to like pull away to the side of the road. It seems like right now they do a deer move where they just freeze. Yeah. They like they somehow detect the blue and red lights and the car just stops but like it needs to get the fuck out. So they're they're very timid in a lot of situations and they could cause traffic jams. I mean it's it's it's terrible if they block traffic and first responder can't get somewhere someone is hurt or yeah you know or dies. Fire trucks should be able to just push them. I mean assuming there's no one in the Waymo just yeah. There needs to be like don't ambulances have like things that change traffic light colors. Didn't they didn't they at one point. I think that was a rumor. I feel like in high school we thought they had the magic switch and I don't know if they ever did have a magic switch. Turns out 50 cent had it the whole time. That's right. Well he's a magic stick. Yeah. That's different. It's very different. All right. Elderly woman behind says I have an E3 318 IS four banger that I've spent too much money on the engine and now the oil analysis is not looking good. Should I send that four banger in to have it rebuilt or just swap to a six cylinder swap to a six cylinder. Yeah. It's a weekend car and a track car. Dude. The inline six is so good. You'll change your fucking life. Dude. Yeah. More torque. Having actual power. Yeah. Yeah. I would do that. I mean unless you I mean yeah unless you want to get a K 24 that's the only other thing I would say to get. Yeah. But probably an inline six. But hopefully the only six is cheaper. Sheeper. Yeah. You're right. Then you're in the game. Yeah. More it's got a bit a way bigger aftermarket support and you can probably just put a stock one in there and make as much power as your built engine. Right. My leaky my leaky valve gasket. Nissan Z, Nismo's and automatic Mustang dark horses are getting to the you know the high forties into 50 grand. I was not aware you could get a dark horse and automatic. I wasn't either. I've just learned that. Is that worth the buy at that price despite lacking the manual. A Nissan Nismo Z at 40 K. 47. If it's otherwise a nice car. Fuck yeah dude. That's a great car. The automatics not that bad. If the paddle shifters are responsive like yeah it does what it's told for the most part. You know the normal like normal non sport mode automatic tuning isn't like all that special but that car handles and steers and rides beautifully. And as we know from the race car last week I for me that that's what matters most and I I will be focusing less on like you know the downshift speed of a paddle shift is automatic like it's important to compare it to its peers with dual clutches and stuff but when you're actually driving fast it just doesn't matter as much. You know you're breaking it just transmission at plenty of time to downshift while I was decelerating. It matters more when you're driving at two thirds speed. Yes. You need it to be like smooth and shit. That's when you're actually like threshold breaking and downshifting it does not matter as much. Kendrick Lamarck for Supra. That's very good. My friend is looking for an older small sports car for spirited Canyon drives around LA. They suggested in Austin Healey 3000 what other cars should they add to the list. The budget is a hundred grand. Oh wow. And you're looking at Austin Healey's instead of Cayman GT. It's an old car. Oh right. Older small sports car. Oh what the Jag XK 120. Maybe a 120 or an EXK E. 100K will get you a great EXK E type. You can get a 100K will get you an air cooled 911 Carrera or an SC. I think the question you have to this process to ask is how much maintenance do you want to do. Yeah. How about an MGB. The Porsche will require less. MGB's are good. A classic Mini could be really fun. That'd be so fun. A Suzuki Cappuccino or a Honda Beat. C2 Corvette. Sounds great. Looks great. Yeah. Classic Vette. Bergenomics are all right. I mean a hundred grand that gets you so much car. Yeah it does. 356 can you get. No. Not a good one. Not one you'd want. 912. Certainly a 912. You could get a pretty spicy 912. They're just slow. They are slow. I'd much rather have a 911 SC than a 912. That's probably the good answer. A hundred grand. That's quite a lot of money. I feel like you can choose between the Artzie Gatsby, Austin Healy type thing or you could go more Performance Porsche. Or 32 Skyline. Oh do that. That's old. Post-mentral sample says what are things to avoid when building a Canyon back roads car that might make it too uncomfortable or aggressive. I was thinking of putting fixed buckets in my 997.2. Would that be in poor taste? Would it be in poor taste to only swap out the driver's seat? That is yeah that's too. So that's okay. That's a thing that when poor people do it it's trashy but when rich people do it it's classy. Which is unfair. Like yeah like if you get a Sparko bucket and put that in your driver's seat it's trashy. But when Jensen Button has Singer built him a car with a bucket on the driver's side and a regular comfort seat on the passenger's side that's baller. And what's unfair is that they're both using the same thought. They're like I drive this fast mostly by myself. That's how I want to sit but I don't want to force that upon my passenger. So I think it makes total sense. The science is sound. That's why both rich and poor people do it. The image is interestingly the opposite. Yeah I say do it. Mods to avoid for a Canyon car? Making it too stiff. That's the easiest thing. Too stiff and too loud are usually your culprits. Oh okay now I am become SEO deaf. That's funny. We've talked about how low YouTube numbers... Sorry. We've talked about how track videos hurt YouTube numbers. Are we going to change our content now that we have track access? I think we just... We always have to have a road component. You know like the M2 video. We talk about it on the road and how does it do there because for most people we're going to drive it. But as Harris continues to demonstrate or catch Paul or the throttle house guys like if you have track driving that's a little bit sideways. People like that too. Yeah. It is important to have both. I think we need to use the road drive to really hook people in because that's what most people want to see. But like fuck yeah I've got a race track. I want to use it. We might have covered this. Marshall P says does having the dual overhead cam coyote engine take away from the X factor of a vintage muscle car and muscle car engine? I think a little bit but if you have the windows down there's enough noise out the back. It makes up for most of it. Like I don't really... I have friends that really love the way carbs sound the way their intake sounds. Those cars I've been in are so loud and the exhaust that I can't even notice the carb anyway so I don't really care. But it is just it's a little bit quieter everywhere in this car than it is in old stuff. So you lose a little but it's worth it. It doesn't bother me. I don't have a nostalgia for a carbureted 428 cober jet. I don't really... That's what was in this right? What? Wouldn't this have had a 428 cober jet in it? I think so. The 429 came in the Mach 1. Yeah that was 70. Yeah this would have been a 428 I think. So I don't have any nostalgia for that engine in particular. So a fucking loud ass V8 with a blower on it works just fine for me. Yeah. I don't have any contextual issues with that at all. And honestly if you put a big cam in this where the mute is coming from the NVH like the sound deadening. So it's not like the engine's character is too departed from the original ones. It's also like everything else about the car. Yeah. Fully loaded diaper says why do left hand drive enthusiast cars sell for significantly more than right hand drive examples in the US? These buyers are typically enthusiasts who value uniqueness. I would expect those buyers to be drawn to the novelty of a right hand drive car. I understand the thought process but the fact is if a car is available with left hand drive it will sell to it will appeal to a larger market of people. There are plenty of enthusiasts that outright refuse to drive on the wrong side of the car. There are plenty more that would only do it if the experience of that specific car like a skyline made it worth it and there was no other alternative. There are some people that might prefer the right hand drive just to be weird. The truth is driving on the right side of the car in a country that's set up for driving on the left side of the car is more of an inconvenience than in my opinion the novelty is worth most of the time. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. Like my wife's right hand drive cars I like them despite them being right hand drive not necessarily because they're right hand drive and skylines are so awesome that if I got a drive on that side so be it. But if there's a car like an NSX or another JDM car that's available in both ways I'm just going to go left hand drive. Yeah you're used to it the Rosa set up for it. Pedal box. Pedal box. Yeah pedal box. Sabah Redbar Serr says how far is too far with homage watches. Like is the Orient Ray too close to the Submariner is the Cassioke mod too close to a Royal Oak. I would say no to either of those questions. The Orient as it as it in general has their own identity for the most part but there are a lot of like other fairly cheap watches from typically Asia that are like outright knockoffs of GMTs and subs and stuff that just have a different name on the on the brand and not Rolex and there's I'm on these forums and there's a lot of people that are certain they'll never be able to afford a real one and or they're very bitter about what a real one costs and that they can't get one you know so they'll buy the they'll buy the fake one or they're they're scared someone's going to rob them which is sort of silly but all right leave come on. But I don't like homage watches I think I think that at almost every price point possible there is a cool watch that has its own character and you shouldn't buy the the cheap knockoff versions of the real thing. Do we think normal average buyers would notice that the Nissan Z has a quote old platform? No not really. Chicago White Sox as said on Doug on Doug's podcast forward loses $800 per Shelby to Shelby which is about $30 million according to the total number of GT 350s and 500s versus the dark horse do we think the $800 was worth it for the Shelby name? Yes. Do you? Yeah I was actually shocked it was that low. Yeah. I mean $800 for a $75,000 car. It's such a small percentage of the the cost like I was actually surprised it wasn't more money so I don't know if they're they're pitching that many pennies it's weird and you know will they drop the car's price by $800 probably not. 11 minutes sir. All right. For show. Here's a little yelp let's see how the rear suspension looks here. Man for a solid axle it sticks pretty good huh? Whatever they've done to that it's nice. It's a 8.8 with a 373 for those four nerds out there. For show motor company is planning to do their first track day in mid Ohio do you have any advice for that track and also do we know anything about getting insurance to cover the damage deductibles? Yes you absolutely can get track day insurance I don't know the name of any specific brokers but it is a thing that people do get and can get. It's usually you know depending on the car you know a few hundred to a couple thousand a day. Mid Ohio what a fucking place what an amazing place to drive a car just like you know it's one of those old classic tracks that's really built into the natural landscape of the place very undulating very very challenging track one of the one of the only tracks that I think is truly hard and God help you if it rains I don't think I've ever been more scared of driving than on mid-o at the wet it was terrifying no grip whatsoever but also like just what an exciting place to do a track day or to race a car such a fun fucking track you never been in mid Ohio? No. It's so far in the fucking mid-o-wrap. Land of many pavements right? Dude. Is it a lot of surfaces? A lot of surfaces yeah. It's an amazing track that's so far from anywhere you'd want to stay or have a meal that I just you know forget it. So true of most tracks yeah I mean there are there are exceptions but Chacoala fun place nothing there. Road America and and road Atlanta both near all. America was half an hour from the town you know. It's not half an hour from Elkhart Lake it was half an hour from the town we stayed. That's true. Koji Koji at what point does big motor into tiny car swap become become too much for the chassis to handle and it pretty much becomes a drift car? Different for every car right? Every chassis has its own limit and then its own you know and then the choices the LEMs made so I've driven Lamborghinis and R8s that handle a thousand horsepower twin turbos no problem you know we've driven stuff that has come excuse me to come with 50 to 100% more power than it would have left the factory with and depending on what else has been done it's you know maybe not a problem right but if you know so it is different for every car I mean that end the that flying Miata ND with the LS3 in it I don't know about what would happen if you were trying to drive it full throttle all the time but like it had so much torque in such a lightweight chassis that like even short shifting at 4500 and half throttle you're like flying in something like that so the bigger the motor in the smaller the car like the less hard you have to push it yeah you know you can be kind of lazy about everything and if you try to really push it then it gets to be messy you know I think it also it depends on if the new motor messes with the weight balance at all right and if you can keep the weight you know where it was or actually make it more optimize it more than the car will maybe even feel more stable but if the engine is suddenly very heavy and huge and adds way more weight over the nose then you just kind of get drift car city Johnny Evie Gierman have we noticed there's no zero six X in the Corvette lineup would there be any benefit to that gap being filled I don't think there would be I don't really think there would no one wants an all-wheel drive enthusiast oriented track car like yeah nobody wants that even the ZR1X is really for drag racing you know it doesn't it makes it incrementally faster I think around the Nurburgring but like the steering is just better when you just have the rear-wheel drive ones it's not that much faster around the Nurburgring to a regular driver they're the same speed you know there's they're so fast already I'd rather have the the pure steering that comes with the rear drive that's the first guy to straight box me out this guy this guy in the Camry with his like with his tech bro Blazer hanging from there and you were going in the carpool lane and dipshit and he's by himself fully box me out solo in the carpool lane oh can you notice these nuts has a gen 1 valentine trying to dial it in what settings do we use I would always turn off X band and K band meet run only laser and KA and it will save you so much grief yeah and then sorry Canyon I don't recognize your comment about your seating position so if you don't want to manually turn off X and K band advanced logic mode gets filters out most of the like urban extra bullshit right true quadrupole o-face what's more fun in the sun fresh summer tires or worn winter tires fresh summer fresh summer I don't I know I like I don't want to be losing traction on worn winter tires on public roads yeah and last one wheat city night court does it ever strike you funny how much cool shit is named after what is probably the shittiest beach town in all of Florida I'm sorry what I think it's a dig at Daytona oh Daytona listen Daytona is only bad if you weren't at lollypops in the late cause if you were Daytona was a wonderful town I've only been to the track and then the indoor outdoor mall that surrounds the track it's just like it's a food court that just surrounds a racetrack yeah Daytona is a pretty shitty place and there have been to the beach or anything like that I drove on the beach can't you drive on the beach there yeah yeah I did that two miles and I did that once that was a thing it was I mean look we go to Daytona for one reason the racetrack and anything else is while you're there make your own fun you know right all right that's it that's perfect timing because we're about to get off the highway and be back at the office so thank you all particularly those patrons for taking taking good care of the two of us keeping the ship floating down the ocean thank you to everyone else for participating in this I like doing the occasional show in a car it's it's it's good yeah to be doing that I like it gets us out of the old studio and it's a good use of otherwise unpaid transit time there's so much of it these are good blinkers these metal blinkers I like them the steering wheel the blinkers this cockpit revologies all right check out that video coming on YouTube very soon don't forget we're giving away a 911 Turbo S details on entering are in the podcast notes right Zach yep and that ends August 20th get your entries in now see you guys next time bye