#959: Spy Vs Spy With John Kiriakou

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Please welcome John Kariaku. Hey, thank you. Good to be with you. It's a pleasure. Honor and a privilege, man. I've been watching your stuff for a while, so the fact that you joined us is wonderful. John, for those who may not be familiar with you, can you tell us a little bit about yourself and where our listeners can find you? Thank you. Yeah, I've got a couple of podcasts, actually three podcasts, all running at the same time. I've got one called Deep Program on Rumble and YouTube every morning at 9 o'clock Eastern. I've got one called Deep Focus on YouTube, which is kind of like my flagship one. That comes out a couple times a week. And then I've got one that just has taken on a complete life of its own on Apple Podcasts called John Kiriakou's Dead Drop. I love that, dude. I love that. If you do four more podcasts, you'll catch up with me. There you go. I'm a crazy person who can't stop doing podcasts. What we'll do for $300 a month. It's just incredible. my brother my brother once insulted me by saying that he never knew anybody who would work as hard for twenty dollars as i would hey dude that's honorable my friend that's honorable i wish we had more people like that uh so you know you i've seen you on all the big shows uh i love everything you're doing my question i want to start off with with you is you know uh you know you hear kurt metzker's talking about this a little bit about how like now with ai uh we won't know what is real uh kurt's been saying this i've been saying it for a very long time it's like have we ever really known what is real is anything real i mean how much of our reality is being manipulated by our intelligence services and our the elites to the point that we worship maybe people that weren't that great of people uh we we have certain views on the world that are manufactured by a hidden hand What are your thoughts on all that? I hate to say that I think that view is correct. I wish it wasn't correct, but the more we learn about what our government has done ostensibly in our name, the more that statement rings true. Whether we're talking about AI today or we're talking about MKUltra between roughly 1952 or 3 and 1975, We can talk about the buildup to the Iraq War and the New York Times fake revelations that helped sway public opinion to support the Iraq War. There's so much of it that is just such complete horseshit that's spoon-fed to the American people. Like, where do you even start? yeah i mean like if we go back to the hippie culture i always feel that like 1950 you know the assassination or whatever exact year that was the assassination of jfk marks a turning point in this country and this kind of move by the elites the bringing in of uh nazis into almost every aspect of our government and then the oss becomes the cia and it just becomes this kind of thing where like, you know, I don't know if you would consider the CIA evil. I know you used to work with a lot of people over there. I spent 15 years there. Another thing I hate to say is, yeah, I would consider the CIA to be evil. Not the entire CIA and not, you know, 95% of the very smart, very patriotic, very honest people who just want to serve their country and keep Americans safe. But yeah, when you've got something that's known as the Tuesday morning kill list meeting, where the CIA director is meeting with National Security Council and a bunch of lawyers to drop a list of people to kill that week, and then they send the teams out around the world to do their hits, and then they meet up again the next Tuesday morning to come up with another list, then that's a real problem. And one thing at my age of 53 I've learned is that evil never sleeps, right? Like good people just want to live their life, make a dollar, take care of their family, have a beer, get laid once in a while, just feel like they've accomplished something. But evil never rests. It's constantly pressing all the time. and it just seems like this seems like the CIA has been behind so much chaotic stuff that it's got to be when you're working there now when you're working there and you see something go off and you go that might be us and maybe you don't think it's the best thing ever or you're like oh that's a little weird what is what does that feel like when something pops off and you go oh dude That's probably us. That's not good. Yeah, like the destruction of the, what's the Russian pipeline called? Oh, yeah, yeah. What, Nord Stream? Nord Stream. Yeah. Nord Stream, Nord Stream 2. I called a buddy of mine the next day. Everybody's like, the papers, it was Putin. He blew up the Nord Stream pipeline. Why in blazes would Putin blow up his own pipeline, number one? So I called a buddy of mine who's still at the agency, and I said, that had to be us, right? And he was like, dude, I can't talk about this. I said, no, that's OK. I get it. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't crazy. Of course it was us. So, yeah. And then, you know, you whisper to all the newspapers and to the news outlets on cable. It was the Russians. It's a false flag operation. They blew up their own pipeline just so they could blame us. Like, no, no, that's not the way it is. Not at all. It doesn't make any sense when you actually, you know, when you're on this side, we'll say the conspiratorial people, you really have to look at stuff without emotion because everybody is so emotional at that point. You are absolutely correct. Absolutely correct. And don't forget that the term conspiracy theory was created by the CIA. Yep. To get people to not question the JFK assassination and not question a bullet that takes a U-turn and comes back and hits the guy again. I mean, and it just goes into, again, that good people just want to trust. It's exhausting not to trust. It can be exhausting. Then you understand the playbook and you kind of go, okay, that's what they're doing there. They did that before. They did that before. They did that before. And that's exactly right. And then you run into situations where some people can't turn it off. And so everything becomes a conspiracy. I had a woman. She was the wife of an ambassador assigned to the United States. And she called me and said, I think I'm under surveillance. I was wondering if I could hire you to do counter surveillance. I said, of course. So I met with her at a restaurant. And I did a surveillance detection route to and from the place. I didn't see any surveillance. The place was empty. It was just us. And I said, how far away from the restaurant do you live? She said, walking distance. I walked here. I said, okay, you leave before I leave. I'll follow you to your apartment a couple of blocks back. So if there is surveillance, I'll be able to spot the surveillance on you. I didn't see anything on her. So I went to her apartment, and the entire interior is covered in aluminum foil. And as soon as I walked in, I was like, fuck. I said, did you put the aluminum foil up on the walls? And she said, yes, it was to reflect the x-rays. I said, okay. Well, I told her later that night. She called me like minutes after I left to say the neighbors were in the process of beaming waves at her. And if I rushed back, I could see the waves. So I rushed back. she points from her balcony at this apartment across the way and it's just a young couple there had strung up some christmas lights and and i said you're not under surveillance the cia is not beaming waves at you your neighbors are not undercover officers those are just christmas lights and i said in good conscience i can't take your money i and i won't take your money i didn't she was very angry and she said well at least you could give me some advice and I said, I'm saying this as a friend. I advise you to find a qualified psychiatrist because you're not under surveillance by anybody and I think you need psychiatric intervention. She threw me out. Did she have any reason for her to think she was being looked at or something? No surveillance. Yeah, is there any reason? No? No, none. And then there's one giveaway answer when you ask them to describe their surveillance. Does the surveillance travel with you? Like, are you under surveillance at your home and your work, or are you under surveillance all the time? And she said, 24 hours a day, no matter where I go, no matter where I sleep. And I was like, okay, all right, I got you. That would be a very expensive DJ. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Now, if you're the Chinese ambassador, OK, or you're the KGB station chief. All right. I can see the expense being being. Yeah, I can see them going to the expense of following you. Different rules for different fools. If you're just the 65 year old wife of some Arab ambassador. No, nobody cares what you do. Well, that's conspiracy theorists. And I love conspiracy theorists, but they do. tend to think sometimes overvalue you know it's like every i every conspiracy conspiracy theorist i know is always like dude they're gonna watch me i'm like i'm on a list they're getting ready on the list yeah i get that a lot too well and i'm sure the cia preys on that though right that kind of absolutely yeah it's because that makes it that it makes it easy to discredit people yeah totally if you if you just you know whisper oh he's a nut then that's half the battle right there and there's also i forget what's called the type of prison or jail where you think they're always watching there's a certain name for that i forget i can't remember right now but yeah we used to call it we we conflated it with the patenkin village yeah yeah panopticon prison right panopticon village right right panopticon prison prison excuse me and we are you know their whole thing is like they're watching constantly. And if they get you to believe, I think that's also a play with this AI to make us believe it's so powerful that there's nothing we could do about it. You know, I'm glad you brought that up, especially in the intro. Just day before yesterday, well, I'm on a bunch of listservs, right? Mostly former intelligence people. And so on one of the listservs, a guy posted a YouTube video of a close friend of mine. He's talking about the Russia-Ukraine thing and taking exactly the opposite position of what I know his long-held position to be. So I was like, what the heck? So I click on the video and I'm watching it. And it is obviously AI from the first five seconds because he sounds like he's either a zombie or a robot. And I know him. He doesn't talk like that. He's more animated. He's not just sitting talking like this. And, you know, the lips don't move exactly right. So we're still in these early stages of these AI videos where you can still, if you pay close attention, you can see a mistake or an inconsistency. In six months or 12 months, it's going to be too late for that. And so Congress has to act. There's got to be some kind of legislation passed that mandates that an AI video be identified as AI. For example, we've all seen these videos of the 30-minute chair workout or whatever. And it looks like this really attractive woman in a podcast studio, and she's talking to this guy who they say is 65 years old, and he's totally ripped. Right, right, right, right. And then in the smallest letters at the bottom of the screen, it says AI-generated actor. First of all, nobody goes to do a podcast in a studio with no shirt on. Yeah, I would love to. Yeah, right. I wish I was ripped. I'm 61 and I'm not at all ripped. But it's easy to spot stuff like that. We're quickly getting to a point where it's not at all going to be easy to spot. Not at all. I mean, think of it this way. What if somebody does an AI generated video that's believable of Donald Trump declaring war on China or war on Russia? I mean, is there going to be a counterattack? That's what we're going to have to be worried about. No, I'm with you on that. And we're quickly getting there. Well, how invested is the CIA and AI, would you suspect? Oh, the CIA, I would put my reputation on this. The CIA was one of the leaders in the birth of AI, the creation by AI. Remember, in the immediate aftermath of the 9-11 attacks, the CIA got congressional approval to create this thing called In-Q-Tel, which is a venture capital arm, like a quasi-governmental arm of the CIA, so that they could invest in private tech companies. Their very first investment, it was $15 million, which was a fortune in 2002. The very first investment was in Palantir. And now Palantir is a multi-billion dollar leader. So crazy, dude. Yeah. And so we see OpenAI. I don't know if you've ever heard of Will Hurd. Will Hurd, I was Will Hurd's mentor at the CIA. Awesome CIA officer, just had a gift for recruiting people. Will quit after about six years and went into the private sector and then ran for Congress and got elected. He's half black, half white, and he won three consecutive elections in a Supreme Court mandated majority Hispanic district. That's what a good politician he is. And he's smart and he's good looking and he's just a great guy. He's Mr. Tech. He was Mr. Tech in Congress. He's the one, even when the Democrats were in charge, he got bills passed into law on cybersecurity. But then he left Congress to run for president for a minute. And now what does he do? He went to the board of OpenAI, and now he's the chairman of the board of some other AI company. But is Will really just Will trying to make a living for his family? Or is Will doing this for the CIA? Dude, that's a great question. Is that just embedding an operative there? Exactly. That's what I'm afraid of. So I'm going to ask you a question. I'm sorry. Before you move on, is it possible that when he ran for Congress, he was also doing the same thing? Is that possible? It's possible, but I would say no. And the reason I would say no is because he went to work for a former boss of ours who legit left the CIA just to make millions after 30 years of government employment. And then when he said he was running for Congress, we both told him independently of one another, Congress, that's not a step up. You know? It's a step down. You sure you want to do that? He's like, yeah, because someday I'd like to be governor of Texas and blah, blah, blah. And he ran and then just realized it was a shit show up there and decided now I'm going to go to OpenAI and make millions and millions of dollars. The real power. There comes that moment as you get older where it's like, okay, I've got to make my money now. Exactly. It happens all the time. Even with this show, people get mad we have ads. I'm like, I'm 53, dude. I've got kids to take care of. Oh, man. I'm 61, and the feds took my pension away from me. Oh, my God. Oh, yeah. Johnlovesgold.com is something that I am very proud to promote. Yeah, promote it, buddy. We got a gold sponsor, but we want to help you out here. I'm sure you've been asked this, and there's an old saying, once CIA, always CIA. I'm sure you've been asked that before. I hate that. I hate that, I think, more than anything else that I have to confront. No, that's not true. Okay. That's not true. To me, that's an incredibly intellectually lazy position to take. There are so many CIA dissidents out there. I mean, can you imagine walking up to Ed Snowden and saying, well, once CIA, always CIA? What the fuck are you talking about? Right. Or Philip Agee. Who broke from the CIA and published several books and the CIA chased him around the world trying to assassinate him. Or Ray McGovern, who was a presidential briefer for two presidents in an almost 30 year CIA career and is now constantly getting arrested at peace marches. So, no, listen, it was not a plan that I was going to go public about the CIA torture program and then allow the CIA to bankrupt me and then to go to prison for two years so that I could do like undercover CIA work inside the prison and then have my wife, have my wife divorce me and take my kids. I'm sorry this happened. Again, I knew it could be a list of emotional response. I wasn't trying to be disrespectful. Oh, no, no. I detected no disrespect whatsoever. And I appreciate the question, actually, because I get it quite often. And it allows me to explain my position. When people – listen, if the CIA wants to have pro-CIA people out there, they're already out there. Just watch the Sean Ryan show or listen to Andrew Bustamante for five minutes. He's going to try to recruit you. Your discussion with him was just, I was so disappointed with that guy. That kid, I'll tell you. Oh, my God. And I'll tell you a couple of interesting things about Andrew. Andrew and I have some mutual friends, people I like very, very much and respect. But Andrew has a very sophisticated way of pulling the wool over people's eyes. there are two things that former CIA people ask each other when they meet for the first time the first one is what directorate were you in there are only four answers the directorate of operations the directorate of intelligence the directorate of science and technology or the directorate of administration and nobody wants to say they were in that directorate that's the accountants Yeah, yeah, yeah. Secretary. Right. So either DO or DI, Ops or Intel. Intel being analysis. So you ask that question first, and then you ask the inevitable follow-up question. What division were you in? Now, you could have two dozen answers there, but it can be like Near Eastern Ops, Russia Ops, Africa, Latin America, counterintelligence, counterterrorism, whatever. However, the third question, if you get that far, is what was your job? So a case officer is also called an operations officer or in the old school speak, a Cat B officer, Category B officer. We were the ones who recruited spies to steal secrets. Andrew whispered to me when I met him that day, I was not a case officer. That's the first time I had ever heard that because he presents himself as a case officer. I said, what were you? And he said, I was a S.O.O. That stands for Special Operations Officer. So what is a special operations officer? That is the operations officer's assistant. So I would come back from an operation and say, Andrew, like person, can you do my accounting paperwork? I'm too busy. or Sue, can you set up a surveillance team for me? I'm going to do an op tonight and it's high threat. This is not a guy who ever recruited a source. Ever. In any country. Never. More than that, he just came out with a book with his wife in which he caught some mole. Number one, I call bullshit because there's an organization at the CIA called the Counterintelligence Center, which has about 300 very highly skilled mole hunters. And what he wants us to believe is they found out that there was some kind of mole. None of the 300 professional mole hunters could do the job. So they called in Andrew and his wife. And by God, they got to the bottom of the case. And then I wonder why I never read about any mole in the Washington Post or the New York Times. But we're just supposed to take his word for it. Do you think getting into Project Mockingbird that he's part of that program, that he's sent out as a disruptor? In an unofficial way, I would say yes. And the reason I say unofficial is that Operation Mockingbird was deemed to be illegal in 1975. But the CIA has gotten to the point where it doesn't need to make an official operation. And I'll tell you how I know that. A buddy of mine is an investigative journalist, quite an excellent investigative journalist for Bloomberg. His name is Jason Leopold. And a couple of Christmases ago, Jason was just bored. And so he filed a Freedom of Information Act request with the CIA. Now, Jason has filed more FOIA requests than any other person on the planet Earth. To the point where George W. Bush's Pentagon spokesman called him a FOIA terrorist. Seriously, in an open forum, in a press conference, called him a FOIA terrorist. But Jason, because he's constantly filing FOIA requests, he's the one that broke the Hillary Clinton email story just by asking through the Freedom of Information Act for every one of Hillary Clinton's emails and access to the servers that they were on. He's the one that got the story. So he was bored a couple of Christmases ago. He files a FOIA request for every communication over the previous year between the CIA and every journalist, period. And what happens is, you know, they'll make you wait 20 or 30 years before they respond, which, of course, is illegal. They have 60 days to respond. And so on day 61, he files a federal lawsuit, which he wins every single time. And then the CIA has to pay his legal fees, and then they have 30 days to release the information. So what he found in that tranche, several interesting things. Number one, Ken Delanian, who is the chief national security journalist for NBC News and MSNBC. Now it's called MS Now. Miss Now. Yeah, Miss Now. Ken Delanian was sending his articles to the CIA for clearance before he sent them to his own editor. That is so crazy and so anti-journalist. So he should never work in journalism again, just for that. 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Get 50% off your first order at TrueWork.com with code tinfoil. that's true work t-r-u-e-w-e-r-k.com okay and we thank them for sponsoring this show does it seem like these younger people are more concerned about conformity and access than the old days or or is that an illusion as well you know the watergate there seems to be like FBI connections to that whole story And maybe that wasn even the real story that Nixon wasn spying but more in a weird way it was somewhat Epstein in that there were escorts involved And that's how they got all their information, but they had to create a story to take out Nixon. And there's a whole story with Nixon, a 60-minute interview where he, along with Eisenhower and a Rockefeller, brought over a lot of Nazis. And nobody ever talks about that, which is funny because Tucker's on our... Oh, Truman. Truman was the worst offender. Yeah, Truman was. We only went to the moon because of Nazi scientists. We brought all those guys. What was it? Operation Paperclip. Yeah. We brought all those Nazi scientists. That's why on Moss, every Nazi scientist gave up to the United States rather than to the Soviet Union. They knew that the Soviets would execute them and the Americans would give them jobs. And so they all ended up working for NASA. Yeah. Yeah, it's crazy. We've had people come on that NASA was actually a part of the Kennedy assassination because Kennedy wanted to give the Russians some intel because he was worried that they would think that these UFO things or whatever, UPIs or whatever they call them now, UAPs, that they would think they were nukes, they were nuclear crafts, and he wanted them to know that it wasn't. And there were so many Nazis in NASA, which is crazy because they all came over and none of them changed their names. Like if you were in a witness protection program, you'd change your name to something totally different. Why would you? did nothing wrong as far as they know. Well, it's just like none of them changed their names. Well, they all, I mean, universally at the end of the war thought that they would join the Allies and start fighting the Russians, the Soviets. I mean, that was the whole plan. Like Himmler was trying to set up his own government and then be like, hey, we'll help you guys fight the Russians now. We're all in it together. And there's a story like about four years ago or five years ago was that there was a lot of ex-CIA people running for Democratic offices. and they all got elected. Abby Spanberger just became governor a couple of days ago. She and I worked at the agency together and then Alyssa Slotkin is a senator from Michigan. I saw her the other day. It was funny. I was walking into Fox while she was walking into MSNBC. They're in the same building. Oh, that is crazy. That is crazy. And I go, hello, Alyssa. I said, hello, Alyssa. She goes, hello, John. And we just stood there in the elevator, just stood there, like pretending we weren't uncomfortable with each other. Well, is that how your ex-co-workers treat you for the most part? Do you feel that they look at you in a weird way now? Yes and no, and I can explain that. The ones who knew me, I'm still friends with. the ones that were like vaguely acquainted with me or who were true believers in the torture program. They have nothing to do with me, and I am more than cool with that. And then there's this younger generation of people who joined the agency after I left who hold me in this funny esteem, and at least a half a dozen of them have reached out in the last year. One of them told me a very funny story. She was sitting in on a security briefing, Like you have to do these mandatory security briefings like every three years or every five years, whatever it is. And so part of the briefing was on counterintelligence. And they had this slide, this PowerPoint slide, and it was the insider threat. And it had a picture of me. Oh, gee. And she said that everybody started to boo. And the presenter said, yeah, that's right. He was a bad guy. And they're like, no, no, we're booing you. He was a whistleblower. Good for you. She said in the next running, they had deleted that slide. That's funny. I like that. You've got to believe, like, my opinion on, like, especially the military, I'm a very anti-war guy. I think there's enough for everybody, and we should respect sovereign nations and allow them to make, you know, to gain wealth from their own resources. That's what I believe. I don't think we should. But it seems to me that our military has become the stormtroopers of the international banking. Yeah. Yeah, totally agree. You know, I remember when we were getting ready to kick off the Iraq war, the joint chiefs of staff, they were 100 percent anti war. They were against that war from the first time it came out of somebody from the White House's mouth. And I remember one of the guys at the agency said, these Joint Chiefs guys, they're always against war. And I said, that ought to tell us something. Yeah. If the leading anti-war voices are the guys with four stars on their shoulders, maybe we ought to listen to what they had to say. I totally agree with that. And what really upsets me is all these 40- and 50-year-old people on the Internet calling for war, knowing that they'll never, ever fight any of that war. like if you're for a war dude join the draft throw them right in the military put them on the front line and you know it's like people don't want to draft and i understand that but what a draft does is gets uh in particular mothers very involved in where we're sending our kids without a draft we're just all just sending um poor kids to go die for bankers you know i i i you know just to be honest with you i did mushrooms at a world series game one time i was on mushroom i don't know why i thought that'd be a good idea but i decided to do it and me and my girlfriend went to go watch the world series and the thing that i noticed was how much military propaganda was in that game like from like just you know bringing out the ex-soldiers everyone cheering them and the flyovers yeah and you know if you're a young kid who doesn't have a lot of what you believe is economic opportunity which i don't believe in but they believe that they're constantly told that man the military is a great place to go especially now when you're all you're hearing it's ai's taking all the jobs ai's doing this hb1 visas all this stuff man where am i where can i get a paycheck from well join the military man it's uh you get all these benefits you get to go to school well you're also going to be thrown in the middle of hell for a war that really has no other meaning than to steal natural resources. You know, my, my mom and dad both grew up very poor, poor to the point where my mom once missed a month of school because she had no shoes, that kind of poor. And, and my dad got drafted and he went to Korea to the Korean war. And years later, he never, ever, ever talked about it. Never. And then years later, We had a recruiter come to my high school. I was a senior. And this is going to sound so stupid, but this is also very typical of me. The recruiter said, if you come down to the office on Saturday just to talk, you don't have to sign anything. I'll give you a free pack of tube socks. And I was like, hey, that's cool. It's like getting a free pizza. So I mentioned to my dad, I said, hey, I'm going to go down to the Army recruiter on Saturday. He said, for what? And I said, just to talk, they're giving away socks. Like a timeshare. Yeah, right. And he, I had never seen him like this before. He got very serious. He got right up in my face. He said, if you go down there, you and I are going to have a serious problem, boy. And so I didn't. I didn't go. And then he was apoplectic when I joined the CIA. He was like, what are you doing? Oh, my God. But my point is he grew up poor. He ended up getting drafted. He saw that it was all BS from the get-go. And countless first and second cousins in my family. I had four cousins that served on the ground in Vietnam. Two were drafted and two joined the Marines. But nothing good comes of stuff like that. Because you're right. In the end, it is for the bankers and it is the poor people who end up going to fight. yeah you end up finding out there's alternative motives to stuff i mean the whole gulf of tonkin was a complete makeup you know and then you find out the the golden triangle of heroin uh in that region which they wanted to take over which is it sounds exactly like afghanistan for a long time and they just keep playing the play the playbook over and over again because there was no internet in which people could share information that's right when you look at the internet what is your thoughts on it did it get away from them or is it exactly what they wanted in terms of you know uh divide and conquer and my friend you know it's like doing exactly what they didn't get away from it's doing exactly what they wanted to do oh i think this was exactly the plan i remember the first time i had ever heard of email i happened to be overseas in the middle least. I was on a mission and the station chief said, hey, there's an all hands meeting this afternoon at whenever we're going to have some kind of computer demonstration. So I go to the office and there are these two tech guys from headquarters and they're showing us this thing called the Internet. I'd never heard of this. And what was the most fascinating was their demonstration of email where there was a guy at headquarters and they sent a message and he responded. And everybody was like, ooh, and oh, like, oh, my God, we had never seen anything before. Yeah. So the station chief says, wait a minute, wait a minute. Are you telling me that one of my people can send one of these emails to somebody in headquarters and I don't know about it? And the guy said, yeah. And he said, I don't like it. I don't like it one bit. I've played over that conversation in my mind a thousand times. And I've come to realize that even whether these implementers knew it or not, the idea was that there's always going to be somebody that knows about it. And you release this to the public eventually, which they did three or four or five years later. And everybody migrates everything they do in life to the Internet. Yeah. Where NSA can follow everything. CIA can follow everything. There's no problem. Now, our whole lives are out there and are not even subject to a warrant anymore because of the advent of something called a national security letter, which is just a letter from the FBI to one of the Internet providers saying we invoke national security statutes. We want all the metadata on John Kiriakou. And they turn it over. Or even worse yet, why bother going before a judge? to ask for a warrant when you can just call, you know, Google and say, I want to buy this metadata that you have for sale. I want to buy all of John Kiriakou's metadata. Sure. It's for sale. They sell it to anybody who asks for it. So why would you need a warrant when it's just publicly available for purchase? Yeah. And we've gotten ourselves in a hole. Well, they say that, you know, if something's free, you're the product. Exactly. And Gmail is like, hey, here's a free email. That's right. Here you go. It's for free. And now everybody's email is Gmail. Yeah, and it's like this scam that has been making the rounds on Facebook since there was a Facebook saying, I saw on Channel 6 News last night that starting tomorrow, Facebook has access to all of your data. and what you have to do is cut and paste this statement like did you not read the terms of the terms of agreement you gave them everything when you started your facebook account everything they already own it it's too late so now now we've been talking about this for a long time but it seems to be a lot of these platforms have connections to intelligence like facebook google twitter you know you know we got i don't know i don't know what to play for i mean it's obviously data but you know like elon musk buying twitter opens it up and for a brief second it was like it was it was a wild west and then they're like okay this guy out of control let's let's locked us down like there's certain things i can't tweet right now about what happened is happening in minnesota like right there's a gif geef gif whatever we call gifs what do we call i call gifs gifs gifs um uh you know i forget what the director is but he's like absolute cinema you know yes and i i tried to i've tried to to post that with that gif and it will not let me but for some reason when I take the picture and post it of the GIF and just put that up, it lets me do it. It's very interesting. Scorsese, right? Yeah, Scorsese. It's very, very interesting what they're doing. You think that's Elon? Or who or what? Well, I mean, like the notion that Elon is kind of this, you know. We're not doing the Scorsese GIF on anything to do with Minnesota, okay, guys? No, but Johnny, it's literally happening. No, no, but the idea that Elon is actually like. No, I don't think Elon is reading every tweet going, yes, no, yes, no. I often question how much he has to do with any of that shit, really. I'm sure he doesn't have to do – I'm sure, like – well, the whole thing is to put people in position that you want to run it. He's the figurehead. And you let them do their thing. But it's interesting, dude. But the question I want to ask is, are these just extensions of the government? is Facebook, which was LifeLock. And then they don't even wait a day to register Facebook as a business and an idea. The exact day, which is February 4th, 2004, they end LifeLock at the Pentagon. The exact same day, they start Facebook. So the question becomes, like, how much of this is actually real? We're getting into AI. You're not going to know it's real. Is the story of Facebook a real story? Or is it they just found the kid through data, you know, whether it's the Gates program or whatever. Right. They go, okay, this kid is a little, he's a psychopath. He'll do anything. He doesn't care. Let's position him in the position because he's manageable. Like they do that with Google. We see seed money from the CIA, you know, kind of a, I don't know if you call it a cutout, But like a CIA shell company helps give money to Google to kick them off Facebook. And we keep going down all these different platforms. Yeah, I think all of that is true. I think that's all been part of the CIA's plan, especially post 9-11. You know, Matt Taibbi and a couple of others did some really important work in those days just after Elon Musk bought Twitter. and Matt found that there were active duty CIA and FBI officers working at Twitter. And later on we learned that there were active duty CIA and FBI, maybe even NSA at Facebook and at Google and these other places. I worked for a guy. I worked for a guy from 2000 to 2001 who had been the chief of a very large station and came back to headquarters. I worked for him for like six months, and then he resigned. And I said, you're resigning. You've got 10 years to go to get your 30. And he said, Microsoft made me an offer I couldn't possibly refuse. And he up and moved to Washington State, spent the rest of his career at Microsoft. And what did he know about technology? Nothing. What is it? Is it access to the intelligence agencies? I always believed it was, yeah. Or the CIA saying, hire this guy. We'll have a guy in there. Yeah. Probably yes to both. Yeah. It's kind of crazy. So, you know, we're living in this kind of time where, you know, we believe certain countries might have a little bit of too much control of our government. You know, the belief that certain countries have gotten us into wars for their own benefit. you know i've been saying this for a while i'd love to hear your opinion on it but you know the notion that the cia massad and mi6 are they technically separate or are they just really all working together in a way that they they just have different names for different areas oh no this is very um precise so there's an organization called the five eyes made up of the the intelligence services of the US, the UK, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. They give each other literally unfettered access, literally, where now you see a CIA guy walking down the hall, you're just as likely to see an MI6 guy or an Australian guy or a Canadian guy or whatever. Mossad is different. The relationship is close, but the Mossad spies on the CIA. The CIA does not spy on Mossad. We have not been allowed to spy on Israel since the Nixon administration. But Israel actively spies against the United States, against the CIA, the FBI, NSA, DOD very heavily, and especially DOD contractors. Now, that relationship is mostly a one-way street where we give the Israelis just about everything that we collect. And then the Israelis give us very, very little in return. Like, they'll give us a lot of Iran stuff, but that's just to convince us to help them bomb Iran. Yeah. And that's it. I've said more than once in public venues that one of the things the Israelis have never answered is what did they know about the planning for 9-11 and why did they not share it with us? Like they won't even have that conversation. They won't answer the question. They won't even recognize the question. And on the other side with the five eyes, I mean we were joined at the hip starting with 9-11. You have a story that's illustrative of the Israel thing, right, about how the facilities are. You have a special facility just for meetings. Is that right? Yeah. When I first got hired at the CIA in January of 1990, I was about six weeks into it in March of 1990 when my boss told me I was going to do my first foreign liaison briefing. And that's kind of a big deal, right? I was an overt employee, so I was going by my true name. And I was told that I was going to brief the Israeli Mossad and Shinvet representatives here in Washington. So much to my surprise, we didn't go to a conference room. We had to get in our cars and drive to this safe house off-site. And my boss said, yeah, we never, ever talk to the Israelis in the building. In fact, the Israelis are not permitted to come in the building. I was like, what? I mean, I briefed everybody from the prime minister of Fiji to the, you know, the leader of the Kurdish Democratic Party in headquarters. But the Israelis are not permitted in the building. And I said, why? And he said, well, every time they would come, they would bring gifts. And, of course, we have to x-ray everything that comes into the building. And every single gift was, like, packed with listening devices and batteries. And then we have to tell these guys, guys, stop doing this. Stop trying to bug our conference rooms. And they'd be like, oh, sorry. Oh, it was just a joke. It was a joke. Don't worry. And then we're like, no, you can't come in here anymore. And that was 35 years ago. Why do you think it's – what was your – from the inside, what was your impression of why they continue to deal with them in that one-sided way? Why are they allowed that kind of power? Right. Yeah, that's the question. That's the question to which I do not have an answer. But they get away with it, and we continue this incredibly close relationship with them because of political pressure. You know, we have to answer to politicians. 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And politically, I think so many of the politicians, I mean, it's genuinely based in theology, you know. there are a lot of evangelicals who believe that silliness i'm with you on that dude but it's also blackmail i mean again it's like if you even take a look at porn hub right i mean like what's the connections the intelligence agencies to porn hub i mean it was it was the first website to or was the fast website to 50 million subscribers and it's free jeez i didn't know that yeah and it's free and it's free all you gotta do is give them your email and you're crazy to do that dude you know they have your vpn or or whatever they have uh but it's like everything is data and they've been you know before the internet they did it through again through the escapes program people at these campuses who who is you know if you go to hurt cell and they're the beginning of designism i guarantee you they identified him as a guy that had an idea that could really help them. So they get on these campuses, they find out who's the most extreme, who's the most sad, and they just start to push them in these kind of directions that could be helpful to the elites. And I think that's exactly what's happening. I know it sounds crazy, but if you have a porno that is a little risque and you see who's commenting on it or who's watching it and do they have political aspirations, you can start positioning people to hey someone comes in nudges them and maybe i'm wrong johnny this might be too deep of a thought but you know nudge them into political office and then you're like okay we know this guy has a weird kind of fetish that we could maybe get him with and then now we got him controlled and you kind of look at like why do states have uh term limits and why doesn't washington have term limits why is nancy pelosi have a picture of hers a young person with JFK. You know, that's how long she's been around there. Since JFK, man. Guess who was in the Gates program? Who? Candace Owens. And she's starting to say, like, I think I was being manipulated. She's on her podcast. She's like, I was in the Gates program, and I think that they were using me, and now they're trying to start to figure out, like. Johnny was in the Gates program, but he's so retarded. Nobody wanted to work with him. No, that's why he's on Pinfoil. Well, no, I mean, they put me in a different school, but it was. Yeah, they move you schools and everything. Yeah, Candice was talking about how they move you around and they make you take this little pink drink and there's like a whole thing. I didn't have a pink drink. I know that was the color of the fluoride that they would make us country boys take because we had well water. They'd make you swirl this fluoride when you went to the dentist. It just seems like it's such a deep. I think you're right, though, especially if you're already on, you know, you're being monitored. And with AI now, I mean, they can monitor so many more people and collate that data much more easily, I assume. And they don't have to actually watch the data. They can just collect it until you become either something they're interested in or a problem. That's right. It's like this giant collection facility. I talk about this all the time. This giant NSA collection facility in the Utah desert that was built starting around 2002. It has enough storage space for every phone call, every text message, and every email by every American for the next 500 years. Why? What are they going to do with that? Yeah, exactly. They just let it sit there until they need it to use against you. So the question always becomes, well, if I'm not doing anything wrong, why do I care they're spying on me? Just think about that statement. Well, Matt, may I add something? May I interrupt you? Yes, of course. Do you know who was the first person to pose that question publicly? Who? It was Joseph Goebbels in 1936. Ah, ah. Mm-hmm. If you haven't done anything wrong, then what are you worried about? That's not the issue at all. The issue is that it's being collected to use against me. Yep. You know, what if you make a call to an abortion clinic? Or to a therapist. Or God forbid, oh my God, I saw a commercial the other day. Transfer all your prescriptions to Amazon Pharmacy. It's like, are you freaking kidding me? Yeah, dude, exactly. So Jeff Bezos can keep track of my medications? I wrote a comment on a Washington Post article just the other day. And the entirety of my comment was, Washington Post, you've become the rag of the 1%. and when I hit post, it said, your comment violates our community standards. It's like, what community? The billionaire community standards? Yeah. Because it's just criticizing Jeff Bezos and they rejected the comment. Yeah, exactly. That's exactly what happened to me on Twitter. Like, I know you think I'm crazy, but you start calling out the theater of Minneapolis where nothing's real. the ID you know the IDF trains the ice uh ice the the protesters are all paid they're all professional and then the the the um the people who cause chaos the disruptors uh they're all intelligence agents you see the guy we talked about before the guy who was burning the American flag in a mask and then just walked off and they followed him and he wouldn't take off his mask you're like if you look at January 6th too same thing was it called agent provocateur yeah they're provocateurs yeah yeah it's interesting and you just go what is again what is real what is what in our world is a god's reality and i just think it all extends from the fact that we print all this money and we just use it to bribe everybody to play their role in this giant Broadway production called, you know, Culture. Yeah, I think that's right. It so crazy to me Like none of it real dude None of it real So we get into I don know if you commented on Epstein at all Oh yeah Yeah. It almost becomes a Streisand effect. The more they don't put it out, the more people want to look into it. I think people want to look into it. I feel like we have the attention span of two weeks, and then we move on to the next big thing. That's why if you ever have a scandal, just get off the Internet for two weeks. someone else will come in and be an idiot and they'll all start talking about him. Which is why Dan Borgino is taking such guff these days. You know, he was going to go drain the swamp and heads were going to roll and he was going to crack heads. And then he just goes back to his podcast with his tail between his legs being unusually defensive as to why he didn't accomplish anything. Well, I mean, like, do you think it's actually possible to make any changes in these these intelligence agencies? Like if you're like, I'm going to go in and like they position you. It's almost like a coach who goes into like the New York Jets. It's like you can try to do everything you want, but that's a culture of losing right there. That's right. Ran by crazy people. Yeah. So you got these two guys coming in. You know, it's like I'm going to turn the FBI headquarters into a museum. and then in two seconds like there's no there's no there's no list there's no anything it's like what did you take out of his house what were those boxes you were carrying you know like what are you talking about like ones and the question becomes also like a demoralization campaign as well it's like yes you know you have you have Pam Bondi filmed by Project Veritas perfectly shot saying there's images everywhere and she's just having lunch talking with somebody about this shot perfectly oh my god Pam Bondi says there's 10,000 videos of them hurting kids perfectly shot and then she comes out and says there's nothing there that's a giant demoralization campaign and I look at everything through a demoralization campaign you know what how are they trying to demoralize us a lot of this is with these judges letting out criminals the big thing is now it's not even that okay you're letting these criminals out now if this guy enters my house and i defend myself i'm the one getting arrested yes that's all part of a demoralization campaign to beg for martial law and you see it happening over and over and over again which is very bolshevik which is all part of this bolshevik revolution it's it's crazy to me as you watch like things like the the governor's uh minnesota governor kidnapping case where it's like or michigan michigan excuse me dude 15 uh uh people were going to kidnap her 13 of them were basically on the fbi payroll and then we go into january 6 where there's over 300 agents there uh what how about how about have you ever heard of the route 82 bridge conspiracy no in cleveland oh my god so there were these three idiots and they're in a bar and they're drinking and this guy that they know comes in and he sits with them and he starts drinking and he says hey you know what would be really cool we should blow up the route 82 bridge route 82 before there was an international i'm sorry an interstate highway system route 82 is a main road from philadelphia to cleveland and there's a major you know concrete expansion bridge that takes you into the city of Cleveland. So they get this, the guy says, I've got dynamite, I've got a detonator, I've got all this stuff. Well, of course, he's an FBI informant. And they place these phony explosives, they push the plunger, the FBI comes out of the bushes and grabs the three of them. So first of all, they were entrapped. They were just sitting there drinking, minding their own business. They didn't have any plans to blow up the Route 82 bridge. They were targeted by the FBI. This guy was just trying to win some points for himself to save himself from some other case by ratting out these three idiots. But they got 20, 25, and 30 years in prison for conspiracy to commit terrorism and conspiracy to use a weapon of mass destruction. That's what the FBI does to people. I'll give you another example. I'll give you two examples, personal ones. When I was – after I left the CIA, I went to the private sector for a few years, four years. Then I went to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee as the senior investigator. And one of the things I loved about that job was you get to have lunch with foreign diplomats all the time. So it was like being overseas in the agency again. And you talk about all the issues of the day. It's a lot of fun. So I got a call from the Japanese embassy one day. And this guy introduces himself as the number three. His English was absolutely terrible. So he spoke to me in Arabic. He was the embassy's Arab expert, and he knows my past, you know, was in the Middle East and that I spoke Arabic. And so would you like to eat for lunch? I said, sure. So we meet at Charlie, whatever it's called, Steakhouse up on Capitol Hill. They just went out of business. And I remember that lunch very well. We talked about the Middle East peace process. We talked about Turkish elections and Israeli elections. And at the end of it, I said, well, this was a lovely lunch. Thank you so much for the invitation. And he says, no, wait a minute, wait a minute. He says, so what's next for you? And I said, well, I promised Senator Kerry. John Kerry was the chairman at the time. I said, I promised Senator Kerry I'd give him two years. It's been two and a half. I have five kids and I need to make some money to send my kids to college. So I think I'm going to go back into the private sector again. And he goes, no, he goes, don't do that. if you give me information, I can give you money. And I said, shame on you, cold pitching me like that. That was the worst pitch ever. I said, how many times do you think I've made that pitch? Shame on you. I'm reporting this. And I got up and I went directly without stopping to the office of the Senate security officer. And I said, I was just pitched by a foreign intelligence officer. So he had me sit at this standalone computer, not connected to the Internet. I wrote a memo, and he hand-delivered it to the FBI. Then he called me the next day and said, the FBI is going to send two FBI agents up to interview you. I said, great. So the next day, I meet them in the Senate security office, and I told them the whole story. And they said, okay, here's what we want you to do. We want you to call him back, invite him to lunch, and try to get him to tell you what information he wants and how much money he's willing to pay for it. And because I'm a patriot, I said, you want me to wear a wire or something? And they said, no, no, we're going to be at the next table. We're going to listen to everything. I said, well, he doesn't speak English. Well, we're going to have an Arabic speaker there. I said, okay. The next day, I called him. He agreed to lunch. We set a date, and then the morning of the lunch, the FBI guy calls me and says, something came up. Just go ahead and do the lunch, but send us another memo. So I did the lunch, and then I did a third lunch and a fourth lunch and a fifth lunch, each time at the urging of the FBI. And then I would write these extraordinarily detailed memos and send them to FBI headquarters. so in the last lunch the guy says to me um listen i got promoted i got my dream job i'm going to be the number two in the japanese embassy in cairo and i shook his hand i said good luck i never saw him again a year later i'm under arrest and we get discovery from the justice department 15,000 pages of classified discovery. And in this discovery, we find two things of import. Number one was a memo from John Brennan to Eric Holder, the Attorney General, saying, charge him with espionage. And Holder writes back and says, my people don't think he committed espionage. And then Brennan writes back and says, charge him anyway and make him defend himself. Oh my God. So they arrested me and they charged me with three counts of espionage plus two other felonies so this is a death penalty offense yeah oh my god yeah and then the other thing we found was that there there never was any japanese diplomat he was an fbi agent trying to get me to commit actual espionage But I kept reporting the contact back to the FBI. And so the Arabic speaking Japanese diplomat writes a letter to his boss. What was his name that got arrested during Trump one and thrown out? Stephen. No, no, that wasn't it. Anyway, whatever his name is famous. The guy that had an affair and he said, we got to stop Trump. Remember that? No, I don't. What was his role in the government? He was the head of the counterintelligence division in the FBI. So the Japanese diplomat wrote to him and said, I think we should end this operation. He's clearly not going to take the bait. So that's when he said, oh, I got promoted. I'm going to Cairo. because I wasn't Peter Stroke. Peter Stroke. Yes, Peter Stroke. There we go. Peter Stroke. So so they gave up. Now, the day before I left for prison, my lead attorney pulls me aside and he said, listen, my sources are telling me that DOJ is very upset that you got such a short sentence. So heads up, they're probably going to try to set you up in prison. oh my god i said okay i'll i'll be on my on my uh you know so you were found guilty that's what you're telling me you were found guilty of espionage no no they dropped all the espionage charges i took a plea to a lesser charge just to make the thing go away i had five kids at home that's great so should i should i take 23 months or should i risk 12 to 18 years which is what they were they were offering so i took the 23 months and thought well i'll just apply for a pardon you know someday which i have done and the president is considering it so in any event i'm in prison about let me think about three months three and a half months and down the hall from me at the end of the hall there was an afghan american guy he was a pharmacist with a bad oxy habit and he was do in six years so he comes up to me and he says hey buddy um there's a a new prisoner who wants to meet you and i said oh okay who's that he goes he's the spokesman for the taliban and i said are you talking about that guy from new jersey that got arrested for like conspiracy to commit terrorism or something he said yeah he just arrived here i said i i don't want to have anything to do with that guy. I don't have anything to say to the Taliban past or present. And he says, oh, okay, I'll tell him. About four days later, I'm in the yard just exercising. And I see this guy with a beard down to his waist and he's walking toward me with his arms straight out like to shake my hand. So I put up my hands like this and I said, don't fucking touch me. And as soon as I said it, I looked past him and in the woods on the opposite side of the fence is one of the guards with a camera with a long telephoto lens. Oh my God. Yeah. Click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click. And I said, don't fucking touch me. And I kept my hands in the air. And he goes, come on, man. I want to be friends. We have a lot in common. And I said, the only thing we have in common is that I used to try to kill people like you. Get the fuck away from me. Holy shit, dude. Yeah. And he goes, come on, man. I said, I'm serious. Get away from me or I'm going to break your face. And so we walked away and I put my hands down. And then I walked in the opposite direction. And he was transferred out the next day. He had been in my prison for five days. He was sent there just to entrap me. Not for any other reason. Holy shit. Just a handshake. Just a handshake. Yeah. They have to make an example of you, right? Wow. Yeah, and see, if I had shaken his hand, they would have had pictures of me shaking his hand, and then he would have testified that I was so angry I had been prosecuted that he and I were conspiring, and I asked him to kill my prosecutor, kill my judge, kill the FBI, whatever. Holy shit, dude. That is crazy. Do they have any scruples in that situation about just wholly lying, like having him lie? Absolutely not. None at all, right? Absolutely not. Remember, at least at the CIA, we were trained liars. We're trained to lie every day. Why should the FBI be any different? Oh, my God, dude. It was bad. What did they nail you with if there's all these things that you wouldn't do it? I can tell you exactly what they got me on. In the summer of 2008, a journalist wrote me an email, and he said, I'm doing a book on this CIA rendition of this Egyptian guy in Milan. Can you introduce me to any of these 12 people? And he listed these 12 names. I wrote back and I said, I don't have any idea who these people are. And then he sent me a second email and he said, can you introduce me to any of these 12 people? And I said, buddy, you clearly know this issue so much better than I do. Kidnapping was not my thing at the agency. I didn't work with the kidnappers. I did my own thing. And then he said, in a third email, what about the guy that you describe on page like 138 of your book? I think his name is John. And I said, oh, you're talking about John Doe. I don't know whatever happened to him. He's probably retired and living in Virginia someplace. But I mentioned his last name. Oh, Doe. And so they got me, well, I'm telling you it's just that. They got me for violating the Intelligence Identities Protection Act of 1982. Oh, my God. Yeah, that was it. And the name was never made public. Right. And they take that down. Never made public. They take that very seriously, right? Yeah, they did with me. That's so, oh, God. When you see John Brennan on CNN, what's that due to you? You have some stories about his competence as well. Yeah, I have maintained for many years and publicly that Brennan was in well over his head intellectually. He was not a shining star at the agency. He latched on to George Tenet, and George Tenet created him. there was nothing special about john brennan nothing he just played ball and he was compromised probably he was really really good at office politics and when when tenet started making his rise in the organization brennan latched on to him and he created john brennan but does it drive you crazy that these people that seem to have been doing what would be considered any other time in history treason or like i always say that like if benedict darnall was around today he wouldn't be seen as a treasonous operative he would be a talking head on msnbc he probably would or or bbc in that case yeah yeah yeah yeah he probably would yes you know it's there's so many things we we don't have enough time to to go over the crimes that that a string of directors of central intelligence have committed. You know, I was prosecuted for revealing this name. Well, while I was being prosecuted, the CIA director, oh, what's the matter with me? He was the CIA director under Obama, General... Well, Johnny, will you look that up? What's the matter with me? Johnny's looking it up right now. I got to say, this doesn't help your credibility, John. I've blacked them out. General Petraeus. So while I was on trial, General Petraeus revealed the identities of ten covert operatives to his adulterous girlfriend. He was charged with a misdemeanor. He was given a fine. and at sentencing, the judge came down from the bench to shake his hand and thank him for his service to the country. Also, while I was in prison, I wrote an op-ed that ran, I wrote in longhand an op-ed that ran in the Los Angeles Times saying, I got two and a half years in prison. Why does Leon Panetta get a break? So Leon Panetta revealed the names of all of the members of the SEAL team that killed Osama bin Laden, That's six violations of the Intelligence Identities Protection Act. And then he revealed 27 lines of classified information to Catherine Bigelow and Mark Boll, the director and writer of Zero Dark Thirty, both of whom were uncleared. And then he just said, oh, my bad. Sorry. And that was it. There were never any charges filed against Director Panetta. Rules for thee and not for me. That's right. That's the way it is. So as we talk about all these crimes that so blatantly get violated by our intelligence agencies, the question becomes what is their actual purpose? Right. What are they doing? Like, are they really a law enforcement? And you say there's a lot of people. You said around 95% are patriotic people. And I get in an argument with a good friend of mine named Brian Callen. He's very pro-CIA. And I'll take your word that's 95%. But what do you think the purpose is of these intelligence agencies and why they seem to be so ingrained in manipulating our culture, manipulating our laws, manipulating our intelligence operations? Like, what do you think the purpose is? I've got an answer for you. When I was working on the seventh floor, the executive floor of the CIA, I was the executive assistant to the deputy director for operations. Very important position. And in that position, you have access to literally everything that the CIA is doing around the world. he had this mantra that he would repeat almost every single day that the job of the CIA is to recruit spies to steal secrets and to analyze those secrets so that the policymaker can make the best informed policy. Period. That's it. But, like any bureaucracy, especially in national security, it's constantly clawing for more authorities. And once it's given an authority it never ever gives it back. If you have 5,000 employees you need 10,000. If you have 10 you need 20. If you have 20 you need 40. And you'll never ever downsize. Ever. 9-11 was the greatest gift that anybody could have given to the intelligence community. And not just the intelligence community, but to intelligence community contractors. Everybody got rich. Everybody. And so the CIA now is so deeply ingrained. It's been around for so many decades. Just when you thought you could control them with the creation first of the church and pipe committees, which then became the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence and the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence. Then, you know, Reagan becomes president and orders Iran-Contra and everything just turns to shit again. And then 9-11, which gives them unfettered authorities to just go around the world and kill anybody who looks at them cockeyed. They're never going to give that stuff up. Not unless there's some catastrophe that's their fault or they kill, you know, some world leader and get caught. or kill a president and get caught. Otherwise, that's it. They're here to stay. The best we can do at this point is to ensure that they operate within the confines of the law. And even that is almost impossible, especially when justice departments are loathe to charge CIA officers at a high level or CIA directors with a crime, even when felonies have obviously been committed. Is that 95% number, does that apply to the top, too, how higher up you go, or would you say that? Yeah, I was just wondering about that. No, I mean at the bottom of the pyramid. Once you go up, I would assume that raises much worse. Yeah. And then you get, like, John Deutsch. John Deutsch was director under Bill Clinton. John Deutsch stole a classified laptop with thousands of classified documents on it so that he could jog his memory while writing his memoir. You know, and then he ended up coming to some sweetheart deal. He paid a fine and he voluntarily gave up his security clearance. General Petraeus, 18 months of unsupervised probation and you pay a fine. No problem. Leon Panetta, no worries. You can out anybody you want. Nobody's going to prosecute you. Mike Morell gives a classified briefing over a classified mock-up of the bin Laden compound to Mark Bull and Catherine Bigelow, and then accepts tickets to the premier, and the people who couldn't make the premier got watches from Catherine Bigelow, and that's okay. That's not going to be prosecuted. No worries. Now, we talk about the deep state, and we hear that phrase. How much does the CIA change in mission and focus with presidential administrations? None at all? Not at all. No. It operates. I mean, presidents think they're in charge of the CIA, and Donald Trump has fired a dozen or two people. But no, there really is a deep state. I say this all the time. You don't have to call it the deep state. It doesn't have to be some nebulous, dark, whatever, force. it's the federal bureaucracy this is the system that we've given ourselves where they know that presidents come and go every four years, every eight years it's going to be somebody different and if the president orders you to do something that you don't want to do you just ignore him that's it that's what it comes down to you just ignore him he'll be gone eventually and you'll be there for 30 or 35 years wow fascinating it is fascinating and you basically there's no real way to corrupt it unless it's a giant upheaval of what we're going to do and you know these things that you see in minnesota right now it seems to be this movement i think it started again it's been going on forever but really started to kick in with the michigan governor kidnapping january 6th this movement to name uh be able to label american citizens as domestic terrorists and once you do that you you see that your constitutional rights are gone you're black bagged you're thrown in a cell you can't talk to your lawyer yes and you're it's just it's it's crazy to me how people don't see big picture and martial law is what they want which would that was even eroded under obama right what was the american citizen that they He droned. Yeah, Anwar al-Laki. Yes, yes, yes. And his son a week later. Which is, I mean, that was, at the time, I mean, now that seems like, of course they did that. But at the time, that was a big step, you know, for. Yeah, I mean, again, Obama and the media, which is very weird because nobody watches the mainstream media, yet their narrative is everywhere. It's very weird to me. you know they want you to demonize podcasters because they don't think they control them even though we we brought up several people we think are controlled yeah you know uh and put out narratives you know like you know we've been discussing that you know there's foreign agencies that want to label islamic extremists as the bad guys and i'm not saying that there are i mean i have a tattoo of the armenian genocide i know what muslims can do i'm not going to sit there and say that they're benevolent in any way but this movement to demonize this group of people with running through like uh dearborn in michigan and what's happening in in minnesota is this movement to create again martial law which means that our rights are gone indeed couldn't agree more and nobody seems to worry about if you're fighting over race or gender or any ideology there. You're so lost. You've already lost the battle. Totally. I agree. I mean, when you look, like, and it's so funny how they run elections, too. Like, I have no faith in elections anymore. People are always like, well, you voted for Trump. I didn't vote for Trump. The last time I voted for either of these parties was Obama's first term after 9-11 because he promised to end these wars, and we didn't realize he was a bush. His grandfather, who MK altered his mother, was his cousins with George Bush Sr. They built the CIA together. But we were sold on that. And, like, it's just people just, every time we need a hero, they'll supply it. And they supply charismatic people who say what we want to hear. And they're allowed to get away with a lot more than someone we hated. Like, whether it's Biden or George Bush Jr. We hate these guys, and we watch them every move, and if they do something wrong, we call it out. But the guy we all like, man, we just accept anything they do because that would be admitting that we were wrong, and we want our team to win. It's like so many of my friends were so anti-cop because of January 6th, right? Like, oh, the cops, they set us up, and it was an FBI operation, and they had all these informants, and the cops planted the bomb, and blah, blah, blah. And they're the same people who are supporting the FBI and ICE in Minnesota. Yeah. It's like, what – do you even listen to yourself? Yeah, it's crazy the mental gymnastics people have to do. Yeah, I mean it would stand to reason that those are the same people that set you up that are on the ground in Minnesota. Exactly. Why wouldn't it be? Yeah, of course. What is really gigantic about any of this? I've got to tell you something funny. I shit on the FBI at every opportunity, right? And last week I got an invitation to be the keynote speaker at the FBI's annual off-site conference. That's so curious. Can you imagine? Why do you think that is? You know, I really like Kash Patel. I don't have any idea what Kash Patel's politics are, but I like him because he's a bomb thrower. And if anybody's going to be able to, like, really work to reign in the FBI, I thought it would be Kash Patel. Now I'm not so sure, but I thought it would be Kash Patel. You get in, they start showing you videos of people you love. Exactly And angles like it the old Bill Hicks joke the angles of the Kennedy assassination that no one ever seen before That right That right I don't know how to control it. I don't know what it is. I kind of detach from it and just prepare myself for chaos and loading up on everything I can to try to take care of my kids. And that seems to be the play, but to get lost in this stuff. you know like the girl gets shot okay you know and just the way it's everywhere all at once yeah i've always said if it makes it the sports center you know it's an intelligence operation something political makes it the sports center they're pushing a narrative john it was a great conversation i know you got a heart out so we'll end it there thank you one more time the pleasure's mine one more time uh johnny did you have anything you wanted to ask or did we get to no no yeah okay uh one more time tell them where they can find you uh thank you So it's Deep Program on YouTube and Rumble. It is Deep Focus on YouTube. And on Apple Podcasts, it's John Kiriakou's Dead Drop. Well, we appreciate you coming on. If you ever have a book or anything else, you want to come back on, open door to you. And we appreciate you coming on the show. Thank you so much. Appreciate it. Thank you. Anytime, all the time. Let's break down the episode. All right. What did you guys think of John? Dude, I never thought we'd have him on. I'm glad we made it happen. We were professional. we didn't ask no dumb questions I wanted to you wanted to ask some dumb questions well I wanted to get into you know like I guess I asked all the questions I wanted to ask I was trying to think if there were stuff that would be a little bit more contentious but I feel like he was pretty open minded he was pretty open yeah like most of the things where I thought he would give some pushback he was like no they're doing that like the podcast like Sean Ryan and all like the naming but you know he's really right and it's you can also look at alex jones like you can go alex jones's court case was a a farce but it was he does owe that money yeah and you know and he's always like they're taking they're taking info wars and then he's still there yeah it's so confusing like how but i i i do think does that mean you work for somebody else now well i think there's somebody's like well we'll will fix all your problems. I mean, if they're going to give Barry Weiss 200 mil for a show that gets nothing, what are they going to do for Alex Jones that gets a bazillion views? And, you know, I was... But he hates Candace Owens. Like, he hates her. And it's just interesting. Do you think he hates her or they're telling him to hate her? Yeah, it could be kayfabe. Yeah, I don't really think he hates her. I mean, come on, if he's a conspiracy theorist. Yeah, I mean, good point. That's the theater of it. But I also like that when you brought up demoralization campaigns, he was like right there with that. I thought maybe he wouldn't be hip to that, but he's like totally like, oh, yeah, that's what's happening. Yeah. Johnny, were you excited because I know you wanted to make that happen? Are you excited I didn't fuck that up? Well, I mean, what do you mean? You're a professional podcast. I am a professional podcast. Some people should realize that. I'm really good at that. I feel like we're professional. Yeah, I mean, I'm trying to think where we could have challenged him more. I'm sorry I brought that up earlier because it's not really what I meant. No. I was like, should I ask harder questions? But I think I asked all the real questions I wanted to ask. I mean, there's a certain person that's going to be listening to this that's going to be thinking like you can never, like what you said, you can never trust somebody that's ever worked for the CIA. and that prison story is the craziest shit i've seen in my life yeah and if you listen to him he's got so many crazy stories like that where they have effed with him and and just like would you guys still live in america if america if the government puts you through that i don't know if i would want to go live in france or somewhere where i'm like yeah i don't understand why he's i'm like buying land in costa rica they say is the new bitcoin because it's about to blow up the The thing, though, is... Or El Salvador, too, because El Salvador has become the safest place in the world. No criminals, no people. They can fuck with you just as easily there as they do here. The CIA, man, if they want you. Yeah, they can fuck everywhere. It's probably easier there because you have fewer rights. But it's like the question is, like, who is the CIA's master? You know, and I think it's these bankers. That Israel thing is proof of that. Yeah, I think they're the bankers. And I think it's the Bank of England. And it's so good to see people start talking about that because I would say that and then you would hear them, you know, I get yelled at because I'm not behind the – I'm not saying the Jews. Dana thinks I'm a Nazi. It's so crazy. I get called a fascist and a Nazi. I say Hitler was controlled opposition and I want as little government as possible. How am I a Nazi fascist? Yeah. It's like crazy, right? No, it is crazy. Yeah. it's i've been the nazi thing it's just tremendous to history i it's that endlessly fascinating i've been listening to this history series on youtube about their rise to power and it's yeah they were just so much money behind them bringing them in and then yeah and then people kind of when they started doing some of the shit that they said they were gonna do you know then people were Some of them were like, wait, wait, what now? But even if you go, you go, okay, he got rid of this and he changed that and their economy was doing great. I go, well, if I want. Their economy was not doing great, though. It was all propped up by, and if he didn't expand Germany, it would have failed. It was all like a, it was kind of like a house of cards. But even if it's the illusion that's doing great, when Trump's like, greatest economy of all time, you know, it's like, I don't know. There's people seem to be struggling. you know but if you want to get a a country of people to rally around somebody you allow him to thrive so that everyone gets because if your whole job is to implode this country you need as many of them to go to war and be taken out as possible well dude he sat down hitler sat down with the newspapers because they the nazis better than anybody understood propaganda and the value of controlling the news and what people consumed there was this is a thing that doesn't get talked about as much as it should that they made sure that everybody had a radio for the first time like they would there was like government programs to get radios into people's houses these little portable radios for the first time and he sat down in the newspapers hitler did and said like listen i hear you guys talking about peace all the time like peace is a virtue that's not peace is not a virtue for our country we want and this is documented by several of the newspaper editors that were in these conversations we want war to be a virtue we want people to be ready and and to need war you know like for there to be a hunger for war was how he phrased it i think uh you know and to feel that we can only get what we deserve through combat because he knew he was kind of laying there and you see that with our government like trying to do you think that's going on now absolutely the way people are excited about mandoro we can do i wish we would ask them that i know i had i kept wanting to do it and i had to go yeah fuck yeah i wanted to bring that up too because he would have had a good perspective because that was honestly that's the kind of thing he used to do like he was he was one he was extract an asset he was well he would he was he hunted terrorists like people that you know and he brought in some of the first guys to get caught that you know had connections to terrorism stuff like real and then that's another thing i didn't get into is like the the the controlling of the opposition as well yeah yeah i mean we we know that's going on you know you just listen to all these i mean especially the british empire dude i mean like they basically created all the islamic jihadists they're behind all of it yeah hey real quick go to sam triply.com all the new dates are there dude for some reason and i don't know why doom scrolling exploded on rumble because it's a good show tuesday it got over a hundred thousand views i was like what the fuck is this we haven't seen a hundred thousand views in i mean overall we can get close to that a lot you know but look at the thumbnail you got marlita king and an alien why you're not going to click it yeah yeah you got trans indigenous you got the word is that person there that's a trans indigenous person what it what it what kind of what is it about this funny video that i had on instagram will you go find it real quick can you go sam's instagram and watch this guy this is all broken sand by the way can you go to my instagram and just find this and then we scroll and like oh no that's a stripper's asshole hold on let me yeah so so it's a stripper's asshole let's see if it comes up oh yeah there it is if you go down keep going down keep going down keep going down what is it some guy deep throating a hot dog what was that oh we don't need to see it it's the germans it's the germans dude germany yeah this is what happens after the war they just lost their way didn't they yeah well that's all done on purpose so we'd never come together you can watch it for two seconds i don't want to show what is this one yeah watch it for two seconds oh i saw this yeah yeah it makes me laugh the best part of this video is this guy this super progressive wait but this is not that woman right johnny it's oh he represents her yeah he's a trans indigenous person i saw i saw this video he's pertaining pretending so that's all i can find it oh i see leave me alone um yeah so go samtrily.com all my dates listen guys you guys can do whatever you want i know you you work hard for your money thank you But you will never get more bang for your buck on premium content than my conspiracy content on SamTripleE.com. 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It's illegal for the CIA to operate in America, but it seems like they do it all the time. They're not law enforcement. I heard you say they're law enforcement, but they're not. They're not law enforcement. They're intelligence. The FBI is law enforcement, but they do all that same shit that they're not supposed to do. That's out of their purview and illegal. Something I forgot to ask them was, do you think there's a software to detect AI? Like, let's say someone makes a crime of me doing something and it goes to court, you think eventually an AI video can put someone in court where they're like, we don't know if that's AI? That's concerning. Yeah, that is concerning. Yeah, like what Johnny just said, in six months, you're not going to be able to talk. Ask Tyler Robinson. You're right. Yeah, that's another farce right there. Like, dude, that story is just such bullshit. And here's the problem with people. They're so mad at Candace for asking questions. Like, they're so mad. And I'm like, a guy got assassinated, if you want to believe he's dead, right? And he's not in Valhalla. And his wife is doing political rallies. And Erica Kirk is not helping. Like, she is just living her best life. It's so crazy. Like, I understand if you got divorced and you were just slinging pee everywhere. I remember how Jackie O responded to Kennedy. Like, she went on it. She wore that dress. She ended up getting some dick. But for a while, she was done. Yeah, but there was some weird stuff, too. You ever hear about that phone call between her and Lyndon B. Johnson? Yes, that is. Very suspect, bro. But she at least played at Greek. Yeah, just can you grieve her a month before you start doing WrestleMania shows? And she's doing the whole opposite of what Charlie would say. She would say, mothers need to stay at home, take care of the kids. How are you going to run the CEO company? Oh, that's a great point, dude. Like, how are you going to run the CEO company? By the way, where are your kids? Have you seen a picture of her with her kids since? and then that one uh former stripper senator luna or something like that of florida she used to be a stripper yeah boy she's yeah she's smoking yeah she's smoke show she's like and she lost her kids and you're like what and then she had to backtrack on that it makes you really wonder if those were her kids at all oh boy right right and it's like all this stuff's coming out about how much cia involvement she had and basically her parents did to her what obama's grandpa did to his mother which was turn them into mk ultra sexkins right they sent her in to just capture charlie kirk and may who knows if that was a real relationship or not anna polina lena right yeah she's like and she lost her kids you're like where are the kids what do you mean she lost them she doesn't know where they are right now. They went back to the orphanage she stole them from. Or Romania. I forget who he was talking about, but someone big was talking about how Obama kids aren't the Obamas. Like, that's how deep the seat goes. They look just like him and his wife. No, dude. The lady who delivered both the kids looks exactly like the daughter and her husband looks exactly like the older one. How's she going to have a kid if she has a dick? Actually asking the scientific questions. Stop bringing science in. Clones? They clone? Stop bringing science in, dude. I mean, we think they clone everybody, but they don't clone somebody to have a kid. I totally buy that they would do that if they... Clone children? Yeah. No, no, like clone Obama or his wife to make the kids look like him. Dude, have you seen the funny meme where it's like Vince McMahon? You know, where he has that overexcited, where he's like, ha, ha, ha. Someone did that with Don Lemon, right? They're like, arrest a gay black man. Yes, I saw that. With the KKK law. I'm Martin Luther King Day. You're like, ah! Dana thinks I'm a fucking Nazi, but it's like, dude, you've got to call out stupid. Stop ODing on these dumb shows. Like, I'd get in a fight where they'd be like, I don't want you to turn on these channels on this TV. Go in the other room, in the guest room, and watch your dog shit. What does she watch, MS Now? Oh, she loves to go back and forth between CNN and MSNBC. And then my mother, who I love with all my heart, she thinks she's like hearing both sides by watching both Fox News and MSNBC. I'm like, Mom, you're hearing both sides of retarded. Yeah, it's a very narrow spectrum, those two. When it comes to war, they're both on the same side. Every time. Every time. All right, guys. Oh, yeah, real quick. If you want to see me live, I forgot to tell you, I got to get these dates up. But here are some shows coming to a theater near you. I am going to be in, here we go, February 10th, Comedy Cast at the Hollywood. February 20th, I'm in Baltimore. February 21st, I'm in Pottstown. February 28th, I'm in Vegas doing an improv show with my old improv troupe. It's like our 40th anniversary or 30th anniversary. Oh, really? Yeah. So we're going to go back and do it. Bakersfield, Batavia, Dallas, Albuquerque, Kansas, Lawrence, Kansas, and Tulsa all coming up. I've got more dates to come. And those will be there by the time you're listening to this website. Yeah, by the time you look at this, you can go to the website. They'll all be up there. Anything else, guys? Hit the like button, please. Subscribe. All right, Johnny's dream came true. I hope you enjoyed it. Enjoy these highlights. Here's a clip from the latest Broken Sim. So everyone's going crazy. Can we watch that? Can you find it out? Hot chicks are going crazy in the comments section. Some chick asked me to save Canada. She's hot. How come if hot chicks call? If hot chicks are in trouble, daddy will come running. All right, I got it right here. Here we go. Share the screen. Share the screen. See, we're an interactive show. Dude, you decide the content. My first visit of a Canadian prime minister to China in nearly a decade. The world has changed much since that last visit. Look at this chick, yes. The partnership sets us up well for the new world order. is he the the least dramatic i mean he used to run the bank of england why would you ever vote a lizard person in and i don't even believe that they voted for him i can't believe he talks like like i just let's play that one more dramatic can we watch it or mac oh it's like dramatic but it's like the most dramatic least charismatic johnny will you put out a poll poll who paws more pearl davis or it's the least dramatic i mean the most dramatic least charismatic speech ever given possibly mine is the first it sounds like your accountant sitting you down and happy birthday to jimmy stott real quick it sounds like your accountant sitting you down telling you you got problems you know yeah you're broke listen i know we advised you on a bunch of stuff mr tripoli mr you have not been you're broke yeah that's i mean it's like it's like he's delivering bad news. Mine is the first visit of a Canadian prime minister to China in nearly a decade. Look at her shaking her head, yes. The world has changed much since that last visit. Yes, yes. I believe the progress that we have made in the partnership sets us up well for the new world order. What? What? That's so weird dude yeah he's like dude it's like canada you are f in your b dude you just voted in a lizard person with something i don't care if you were janitor at the the bank of england never let them in never let them in imagine that guy talking to the chinese by the way you know how fast the chinese talk this guy and he's like new world order you'll talk too slow talk faster you know like what i'm with you i need the hot chicks need a green card to america that was so we i'm thank you who was it that's told us to look at that everybody in the in the comment section so strange Oh, what a creep, right? Canada is such a great country, and they just vote in retards. Yeah, totally. Speaking of, well, hot chicks, this is – I know you saw this because you retweeted it, but boy, this worries me, dude. This is the future. I mean, OnlyFans chicks are getting a run. You thought that was a safe place to park your money or, you know, not park your money. you thought that was a safe job in this gig economy. In the future, it's not, dude. Look what we got these Indian guys doing now, bro. Look at this, dude. How crazy is this? That's live render, dude. That's like, oh. Maybe it's not live, actually. You're going to be pounding your pud to jeets, dude. He might be doing that. He might have done that in post, actually. Oh, my God. Oh, it's so concerning. Catfish is such another level. i feel so bad for hot chicks oh it got a little weird right there it got a little when he turned sideways do you see it lost him for a second right look at the cheeks you see i got weird right there oh yeah that's weird yeah right there johnny johnny that's a boner killer in your world huh when she starts having weird weird facial spasms like oh you just killed this boner cheat can you man dude like the guys in the dating apps are reporting more and more that it's bots there but they don't know why like this is thing i saw it on reddit that it's like clearly fake accounts but they don't they're not doing anything to you you know what i mean because there's a bunch of guys who want to give dudes boners you think that's what it is huh yeah really by the way if we have enough gay listeners we'll do a gay blue chew ad read too oh dude i well i thought that's what we were doing okay dude give us our gay dollars and we'll push gay boner pills So now this is KG we're going to be posting the limits Of the new YouTube standards we're cursing here But I thought you'd enjoy this This is Kevin Garnett blaming LeBron for Oh I love this clip dude I love this clip Yeah I love Kevin Garnett by the way he's so cool Alright here we go LeBron didn't get into shit He fucked the whole tradition up When Tobe snapped the flow told that nigga let's go one on one And he passed it He fucked the whole tradition Don't nobody want to hear this Yeah, I'm one of them gatekeepers. I can say that. Everybody went in. Bro, he slapped floor on your ass. You're supposed to nail his ass with a three. Boom. Bitch ass, they're going to suck. Y'all supposed to go right there. Right. Lord, they want none of that motion. He swung that bitch. Here, get that. Dude, if you could take Kobe's mentality and put in LeBron James, you would have had the greatest player. I mean, LeBron James is in the discussion as the greatest player ever for sure. But if he had Kobe's mentality, it would have been over. Watch Carmelo's reaction to what happened, and then I'll show you the full clip. That's what Mama's like, nah, see? You don't want this new— Right, talking crazy. Right. I hate to get to these. That's what really happened. Yeah. And ever since then, we've been off the trajectory. We went this way. Yeah. So here's the clip that they're talking about. LeBron has done a lot of damage. This is—there's just a couple of seconds left in the All-Star game. West is up two points, 151 to 149. A lot of defense going on. And then Kobe is, like, up in LeBron. and what happened there was because this is when everyone this is the lebron everybody forgets this is this is why lebron isn't in michael jordan's level for me okay it was these years when people were questioning whether LeBron had the killer mentality. And there were times in which he didn't show up. You know, there were finals in which you go, where is LeBron James? With the Miami Heat, he quit on a couple teams. He quit on the last Cavs team. There was his first time with the Lakers when they were obviously sucked. He was like, oh, I'm injured, you know. So there's a lot with LeBron. but what i see i see it different a little different than kevin garnett look kobe will like wanted like wanted lebron to take over he was like dude you gotta shoot like that that whole interaction after that he's like dude you gotta shoot the shot you gotta shoot the shot because people were talking about he wasn't taking over finals he wasn't being the guy he wasn't being the michael jordan that shit and kobe's like you gotta shoot that shot man you gotta shoot that shot and when he passed it off i i agree dude you know it's not just lebron either that whole banana crew of him camillo anthony dwayne wade and chris paul chris paul did huge it's so funny that chris paul is just a karen of the nba and by the way lebron james is getting there too oh dude yeah he was terrible like he's getting pounded for how bad he's playing with the lakers Yeah. I mean, he's not running back on D because he's old, dude. His defense is terrible. Yeah. Yeah, because he's old, dude. He can turn it on every now and then. He gets personal about it, like takes it personally like Jordan always did. And then you can see they're still in there if he would just. Yeah. I mean, like, dude, he's 41. When he wants to turn it on, he can. The problem is when you're taking up so much of that fucking salary cap, you can't just pick and choose when you turn it on. Anyway. Like instead of having one LeBron, they could have two really good players playing with him. Totally. Yeah, I mean, he's worth more in jersey sales now than anything. So Rogan here had Rand Paul on, and then this is – I thought this was fascinating. We're going to really push YouTube here, but let's see what happens. If you'd like to hear the rest of this episode, subscribe to Broken Simulation in your podcasting app or check us out at youtube.com slash samtrippoli. We go deep, homeboy. Jared, open your mind. Drink from the fountain of knowledge. There's lizard people everywhere. That's some interdimensional shit. Wake up, Aaron. This is only the beginning. You just blew my mind.