Redefining the College Tour with Quadzio on The Way to College Podcast

Music This is Dr. Ossas Alimad with another episode, The Way to College Podcast. And when I created the podcast, I did so as a resource to my students, my first year students at college, a lot of them had questions and were lost. And I think when I was a student many, many years ago, I found myself in a similar situation. I was really fortunate in that I had outstanding peers and professors that really guided me and just some tremendous mentors. And I never anticipated where the podcast would go. I knew I wanted to provide resources. I wanted to share the folks stories and as a roadmap, but also to show students that there are many different paths. And today, today is really unique because today's a first. Today I find myself interviewing brothers, one who is currently a freshman in college. And the other is a sophomore in high school. And for my viewers and followers or whatever out there, you might be wondering, okay, what's going on? It's breaking from tradition a bit. But I think true to form, I think in the last couple of months, I've wanted to provide additional resources to students in the midst of their journey. So students who are in the middle of applying to colleges, students that are just in college. And so I think today's conversation will fit into that camp. And so what I'm going to do is I'm going to allow my guests to introduce themselves. So we will go with the eldest. So Jack, I want you to introduce yourself to our viewers and listeners out there. Amazing. And I appreciate the seniority that you're giving me. Well, hello. My name is Jack Goldstein. I am a freshman at the University of Pennsylvania. I'm from Portland, Oregon. And I'm studying political science and I'm hoping to go to law school after four years of other grad. Awesome. Thank you so much, Jack. Evan, how about you? Yeah, my name is Evan Goldstein. As Jack mentioned, I'm Jack's younger brother. I'm a sophomore this year in high school at a Jesu high school in Portland, Oregon. And just in all sorts of things, I love doing sports, love playing, watching sports. Just started doing the mock trial teams, kind of just starting to get involved in more extra curriculars and really excited to kind of, you know, see what my major may be as I get ready to, you know, look into colleges. So Evan, I'm going to ask you because I see the University of Oregon basketball behind you. Yeah. So is, is, is university of Oregon, you may be potentially somewhere you'd like to go? I mean, as a sophomore, I'm still kind of looking at, you know, all sorts of different universities. Obviously, I'm brothers at the University of Pennsylvania. I had the chance to go there two to three weeks ago, actually to drop them off. And that was an incredible experience. I've never been in the Northeast before, but the only thing I'd see a college like you, Penn was incredible for me. I've been lucky enough to go to the University of Oregon plenty of times, but I mean, you're from Oregon to you, Penn. I mean, I'm open all sorts of colleges, but I mean, Oregon's an amazing university. My dad went there. It's an awesome school. Awesome. All right. Thank you. Jack, let me ask you. So you are currently a freshman in at you, Penn. Tell me about because I always start my podcast with my guest stories, right? And so I'm interested in knowing your story. What led you to you, Penn? So starting off at high school, I frankly wasn't very academically motivated. I didn't really know exactly what I wanted to study. And I was just like a three-sport athlete. And so my day consisted of school sports and sleep. And as it does for most people, my size, for kind of like I'm like five foot seven, sports didn't work out. No surprise to anybody. And I got involved with my high school's mock trial team, like my brother is like now doing. And what mock trial did is it really gave me a space to debate, to use my public speaking skills and to really start to get into politics. And that sort of when I realized like, okay, like politics, history, like reading, like that's when I sort of realized like, okay, like I can at least orient like orient myself towards the humanities. And so then I started like taking some higher level English courses, higher level history courses. And I was like, okay, I really do like this. So it was really mock trial that sort of set that pivot down in the ground and allowed me to sort of find exactly what I like. And then like through other opportunities, I had an internship through the city of Portland's economic development agency, the summer going into my junior year, where I did like economic modeling for potentially bringing a majorly baseball stadium to Portland. And so I just sort of realized through experiences that I was just really interested in in politics and in urban studies. But I also always loved my philosophy courses. And so when I started looking at colleges, I knew that I sort of had a propensity towards towards the humanities. But I never really had like a set in stone like, okay, this is what I want to study. And that is that. I was never like that. So I really throughout, in high school, I knew that I wanted to keep my, you know, options open. And when I like was looking at Penn, something that's just immediately stuck out was their founder, Benjamin Franklin. And Benjamin Franklin's whole thing is that he was very multifaceted. He was a scientist. He was a diplomat. He did anything and everything at the highest level. And I really love that. And the school is really built around those ideals of building a well-rounded student who is multi-disciplinary and is involved in many different ways. And I think that that was who I was in high school. And I wanted to just continue being like a broadly interested well-rounded student. And then beyond that, like, as I said before, politics is something that I really got involved with in my latter years of high school. And Philadelphia is an amazing city politically. It's very politically divided. It's almost like perfectly like 50-50. And so it's like very important when it comes to election season as well. And it just still happens to be that my senior year of high, senior year of college is going to be another election season. So I'm hoping to get involved in election research at the school. And there's no better city to do that in than Philadelphia. So I'm just really excited for what the future holds. And that's pretty much how I ended at the University of Pennsylvania. I am one congratulations. You know, I know it's a really competitive school. It's a wonderful school. Really world renowned. And it sounds like giving your interest, giving your background. Just as you said, the perfect place for you to be. So again, congratulations. That sounds so exciting. I remember being 18, 19 and first year in college, right? And so much promise. And you see so many opportunities. One of my guest described colleges as like a buffet. Really, there's so much that you can choose from. And so I think before we jumped on you alluded to the time and how you're just so busy and there's so much to do. And yeah, I think that's that's the perfect, I think, a description for what it's like to be a college, particularly your first year. So congratulations on that. Thank you. You know, so when you reached out, you contacted me and you mentioned something, you mentioned something that you and your brother found. And and either one of you can really speak to this. But tell me about where did the idea for Quadrillo come from? And then maybe walk us through what it what it is and what it does. How can it help students? Yeah, so I'll take the first part of that question because the idea is my experience visiting colleges. I visited 12 schools. I visited schools on, you know, all parts of you know, the academic prestige, you know, the social life on campus. And after a couple visits, I realized all these tours feel the exact same. It doesn't feel authentic. It feels like the tour guides are reading from a script or they're leaving out important details. Because I mean, they'd all frankly be saying the same thing. It doesn't matter the school that you were at. You ask them about Greek life and they say, you know, it's on campus. It's not overwhelming. You know, they say the percentage that, you know, all the schools are pretty similar. And you spend all this time. You spend all this money. I mean, coming from Portland, Oregon to the East Coast, so it's a long trip. And to not get anything out of those college tours, as I said, I went on 12 of them. I know what it's like to be on a college tour. And they just didn't feel like I was getting to know what it's like to be a student at the school. Sure. I learned about the admission statistics and I learned about, you know, the oldest building that's important for whatever reason. But I'm not going to a school for that reason. Like, once I'm a student, I don't care about the school's acceptance rate. I don't care about, you know, the oldest building at the school. I mean, there's just, they're telling me everything that frankly wasn't what I was looking for for a college tour. What I wanted to see were the dorms. I wanted to see the dining halls. I wanted to hear, you know, how many nights a week are you are you going to be going out or what's the work with? What's the workload like? How are the professors? How big are the class size? Like, these are things that I was genuinely curious about. And I wanted to learn. That's why I went on these college tours. But I just felt like I was getting the wrong information when I was doing the college tours through the university. And so when I visited Syracuse, which was one of my top schools, I reached out to a girl from my high school. She was on my ski team, my sophomore year. She was a senior. And so she was a freshman at Syracuse when I visited her. And I just reached out and was like, hey, I'm at Syracuse right now. I know it's last minute, but is there any way you could take me around? And so she took me to her dorm. She took me and she like, you know, swiped me into her dining hall. And you know, I got to eat the dorm food. I got to meet her friends. So I really got to understanding about it. It's like to be a student at Syracuse University. She even took me into a class. She took me into her economics class where I got to, afterwards, introduce myself to the teacher and, you know, ask the teacher some questions about, you know, generally what, you know, his types of lectures are like at Syracuse. So I really got an understanding socially and academically of what the school was like through that one-on-one experience with somebody from my high school. After that, I did the same thing at the University of Pennsylvania with a kid on my mock trial team, who's also one of my very good friends. And once again, I just had a really, really great experience. I learned what it was like to be a student at the University, which is so much more valuable than just hearing, you know, the stats. And after those two really great experiences, having a one-on-one tour with somebody from my high school, I was like, all right, like, this is great for me, but not everybody has the network. And we wanted to scale it up and make it more accessible for everybody. And, you know, that's where the idea for Quad-Zio, and now Evan, I'll let you take it away as to, you know, what our business actually does. I mean, yeah, I mean, I went on, I want to say probably two or three of these tours with Jack. And I saw the same exact experience here. We're in like, this huge group of kids. I asked him for one time, even telling Jack, like, what are we even doing here? Like, they're not telling us, like, they're showing us outside of the building, like, Jack, do you really even care about, you know, the history of this building? And like, I'm scared to ask a question, like, I completely agree with everything he said. Like, it is just not a great experience. And as a sophomore in high school now, probably next year, I'm going to start going on these tours. And even I was talking with another kid today, actually, in one of my classes, and he said, yeah, I just went with my brother on one of these tours. Same thing is just an awkward experience. And especially like, you know, as Jack said, when you're flying out to Philadelphia, even one time, I actually went to the University of Michigan, we were in town, and actually, had someone who I know, showed me around campus, it's just such a better experience. And when you're making that huge time coming to get out there, it's such a game-changing situation to be able to meet up with somebody who you know. So the idea of QuadJay, which is the business that me and my brother started is, we really want to be the bridge between that high schooler and the college kid. And maybe they know each other, but maybe they don't, but the idea is they can be connected because maybe they went to the same high school. Maybe they're from, you know, the same town, or, you know, same general state, because, you know, if I want to do a tour at the University of Pennsylvania, having somebody even from the West Coast can just give me so much more insights that I would not be able to get if I was touring with somebody who's from, you know, New York City. It's just such a different world. They can even be, you know, matched up whether it's because, you know, similar interests, similar majors. So we just want to be the bridge really between the high schooler and the college kid. And the way we're going to do that is, you know, if you're flying out to there, you're in town, that's amazing. You can meet up with them. You can, you know, talk about what's life like on campus. Hey, on my normal tour, I didn't get to see the spots I really care about. Can you show me where I can go? And beyond that, we're actually getting the essay in the essay space because, you know, as a kid, you know, one of my dream schools right now is the University of Michigan. And if I want to go to the University of Michigan, and I'm writing about my essays, there's nothing more valuable to me than seeing, call it five essays that got kids into the University of Michigan. So a big thing we're actually just, we're starting with Quadzu is we're, uh, college kids like Jack have the option to submit their essays and high school kids like me, they get to review these essays. They go use them for inspiration purposes. And beyond that, they even get to have a 25-minute Zoom call with them. Talk about the essays. Talk about life on campus. And we just want to be that one-stop shopping. We just want to change how college tours work, how students can put themselves in the best position to be in the right spot, like Jack's found himself at the University of Pennsylvania. So whether that is through the essays, whether that's through the Zoom calls or whether that's even through an in-person meetup, we just want to make the college tour and process easier, better, and where students can just find themselves in the position where they're happy, you know, for the next four years. You know, thank you. Thank you to both of you. And congratulations, just even on the ID and the concept. I think it sounds like a game changer and it sounds like incredibly rational makes sense, right? And I say that because I think there's still so much, if you spend any time looking at advice on colleges, things that parents should do to support their kids, right? They talk about taking kids on college tours, but you're right. If you've been on any college tour, on a typical college tour, they're going to give you a tour of the campus. They're going to feed you all kinds of statistics, but you never really get a sense of what it's like to be a student on that campus. And I've been critical, not on the podcast, but just with other folks and I'm in Texas. And so I've seen districts, school districts around here take kids to college, but it's even less, it's sort of, it's even more impersonal where it's kind of like a drive by get off. Hey, this is the college campus. Let's get on the bus and ski going. And so you never really get a sense of what it's like in the dorm room in a dining hall stepping into a class or talking to what are the classes like? What are the expectations of me as a student? So one congratulations. I think seeing something and seeing how it doesn't work, maybe right, doesn't meet the needs of for you all, right? It personally, but then deciding chances are if it doesn't meet my needs, it's probably not meeting the needs of any other kids. So let's see how do we make this happen? How do we make this reality? So let me ask you all, you come up with this idea, you have these experiences, Jack, Evan, you go visit these campuses, right? And then you conceive of this idea and then what do you do with it? You know, what's what was the next step for you off? I mean, yeah, me and Jack, we have never started business, obviously. We have no clue what even goes into this. So a big part of it was just doing research like one, how do you even start a company? What even goes into it? So we had outsourced a lot of like the coding sides of things, like building a website because our forte is not in technology, it's not in building a website. Our forte we felt was an outreach, getting kids involved and just spreading this idea with what we felt we were passionate about and spreading that to the rest of the world. So a lot of it was doing research on how do you outsource things? How do you kind of make correct hires where you can feel that you're putting this idea in the best hands possible? And then from there was all about outreach. It was all about getting college kids on board. And I think Jack actually can speak a lot too, you know, what our strategy was with, you know, how to get all these college kids to actually sign up. Yeah, I spent my summer doing cold messages on LinkedIn trying to get a Zoom call with them and just asking them about like, what was your experience visiting colleges? And then they would all be like, yeah, you know, it was fine, but there are some things missing. Like, I'm now going to school and I don't really know what to expect. And I'm like, so here's this experience you have, like now I'm starting a business to make it better. Like, let's get on board. And everybody was like, this is a great idea. They all wanted to become ambassadors to try to get back to the process. So the hardest part of it was just the time because you know, it takes a lot of time to, you know, send all those cold messages and to be on those Zoom calls. Because like, once you get them on a Zoom call, 100% of the time they're sold because it's a good idea and it's needed in the space. So yeah, like outreach, we just spent our whole summer collecting just a team of ambassadors. We have over 300 ambassadors at over 110 different college campuses right now. So we've done an exceptional job just getting kids on board. And as I said before, recruiting was easy. People love our idea. So all we had to do was just the manual labor to, you know, get the Zoom calls, be on the Zoom call and, you know, send them the link because everybody was so eager to get in this and to get involved with Claudio. And I imagine, you know, everybody was so eager to get involved because they probably had a similar experience to you all. Exactly. Yeah, it's, yeah, like I said, it just makes so much sense. We're not, we're not seeing what we want to see. We're not hearing what we need to hear. You know, and the questions that we have aren't really being answered. And I think you all have found an excellent way to do this. You've got over how many over 300 ambassadors at over 110 schools? That right? Yeah. Wow. So let me ask you then. I'm going to pretend 17. And where do I go? How do I use the site? Yeah. So actually, so for the past few months, because nobody's really been on college campus, until, you know, a couple weeks ago, now pretty much everybody's on college campuses these next few days. So for the past few months, it's been a very simple signup process. We just want to get you on our sign up sheet. We want to have your, we'll have your email. So when we do the full launch, which is coming, you know, at the time this podcast comes out, it may be, I've already come out, but the launch is going to have, you know, sometime mid September. And the idea of there is the ambassadors, the high schoolers are the ones who actually reach out to the ambassadors. So once you sign up for the full platform, you know, you play your interest, you put your major, your home high school, so then you can kind of be matched geographically and maybe even, hey, somebody from your high school is actually, you know, interested in the University of Pennsylvania, you can get matched. But the idea is, if me as a high schooler, let's say I'm interested in the University of Pennsylvania, I can see, if we, I know the University of Pennsylvania, we have a bunch of ambassadors because luckily, Jack's been able to reach out to a bunch of his friends, right? So thank you. I think we have, I think we have north of 40 at the University of Pennsylvania. Oh, wow. Yeah. So we have a bunch of, you know, high schoolers, into an University of Pennsylvania, Quadro is a great shape for that, right? But let's say I was interested in New Penn and maybe I see, hey, there's someone like my brother who's went to my high school, I can connect with him there. But beyond that, hey, this kid's actually my same major. And yeah, he's from Washington. So right next to Oregon, right? So I can kind of pick and choose who do I want to actually, you know, connect with. And from there, I can set up a time to meet with them. So all the college kids just say, yeah, I can meet now, or I can meet, you know, the specific date and, you know, they can also share their college application. They can talk about the application. So really, the high schoolers, the one that can reach out to the college kid and say, hey, when can you meet? I'm coming to town. Can you even me? Happy to hop on a Zoom call. So for the college kids about being available, time commitments actually really low. Because, you know, if you have a big test the next day, there's no obligation at all to meet up, even a five minute phone call saying, hey, here's where it's like coming from Portland, Oregon to University of Pennsylvania. That can totally change the kids outlook. That five minutes can be much more valuable than the, you know, hour that they get on the college tour, right? So for the college kids about being available, just having no those insights that those students would have been able to get anywhere else and being open to offering those, and, you know, giving your true perspective on, you know, your university. Wow. Wow. Well, congratulations, guys, because this just sounds amazing. I'm excited for the launch. I'm excited for both of you, because as someone who started a couple of businesses, like just getting off the ground and getting going is just a great feeling, a great sense of accomplishment. But to see something like this, where, right, you identify, you have got this identifiable need, and to see the, I think, outpouring of support, you know, folks signing up wanting to be ambassadors, you know, at all of these different universities, to see this go live. I think that's really exciting. So I imagine you guys are excited about that. Yeah. We're very excited. You hear everywhere that, you know, the product launch is always going to be like the couple weeks after it's going to be the hardest part. But it's just pure excitement, because you know, we've worked so hard over the summer to put ourselves in this position where we think we're going to succeed. And now it's just like, let's see what's going to happen. You know, I imagine you all have gotten this far, and mom and, you know, your parents have been on board 100%. Yeah. That a doubt. Yeah. Did, so because I think our parents are good about also, they understand their, their kids, and they can also offer a little bit of caution, right? So what advice did they give you as you were building this out? I mean, yeah, I mean, Jack, do you want to take this one? I mean, so my mom, you know, she works for a small company, and she just, you know, knows the value of your time, because, you know, at a startup, you're working, you're doing everything for yourself, and she's just like, you need to just put in the hours. And you know, other people's time is valuable. Like, don't spend too much time with one person on the phone call, because, you know, you can sell someone in 20 minutes or you can sell them in seven minutes. And if you sell someone in seven minutes, then it's much faster, and you can get more ambassadors that way, because, you know, when it's a startup, it's just my brother and I who are taking the phone calls. So just like being efficient with your time was one thing. And then just like, there's just like, my parents, they spent, you know, time and business, and there's like legal loopholes that we never even thought that we'd have to jump through. And so just like, them bringing that to our attention and being like, hey, this is something that you might need to look at. We're like, okay, that's good advice. So just like, there's just like a lot of experience that they have to just like having been in this, you know, business realm for, you know, more time than my brother and I have been alive. So it's just, you know, they have the experience, they have the knowledge, and they're just like telling us what to look out for, which has been super helpful. Evan, do you want to add anything? I mean, one thing I'd add about just the whole idea of the cold calling. I remember when we first started this thing, it was a bunch of DMs we'd sent on Instagram. And I'll give, you know, this huge long paragraph saying, hey, here's what we do, here's the link to sign up. Let me know if you've any other questions. And my dad just said, Evan, the DM, the email, right? It's nice. Just say, hey, here's my DM short, which we will end to hop on the phone. And I remember at first, I was like, who would want to take a phone call with a 15 year old kid in high school? They're getting ready for college. Why would they want to talk for, why would they want to talk to me? I tried it once, just like that in 10 minutes, you know, somebody signed up. So between me and my brother, we just over the course of the summer as he said, we probably took 100 phone calls. And just I remember thinking about two months ago, just a thought of taking a phone call is beyond like, wow, who would want to take a phone call? But after just getting so many reps, I've just known like, hey, here's, you know, in a way, the script of what we want to pitch, how we want to pitch it, you know, here's the answers to all the questions they may ask. It's just like the idea of just sending a DM, it's nice, gets the message across. But I mean, we want to talk to somebody, you know, face to face, especially even if it's a Google meeting, just instead of the phone call, just really allows you know, to make it more personal. So they really feel, you can ask the questions. It just, you know, and that was something that my, both of our parents really said, like, hey, just try doing the phone call, see where it takes you. And I think pretty much all the credit to our growth goes towards taking phone calls and beyond that, I think the kids would be actually talked to on the phone. They got more kids at their own high schools of signups. So I think that just the whole idea of, you know, getting interacting with people over the phone, overgrew me, and you know, you know, over FaceTime really has just been so much more effective than you just, just, really just sending a DM. You know, one congratulations on the support from your parents, right? Also the guidance, I think that's important having somebody in your corner to also guide you and give you tips, but also put those things on the radar that you, you know, we don't think about when we're starting a business, particularly if we're not familiar with it and to Jack's point, right? The legal polls that maybe we definitely weren't thinking about. So good for you on that. You know, I am always impressed. I am always impressed. I work with young people. I still teach first year college students, and I've just been so impressed by the initiative of young people. And so because I think, you know, everybody's got an idea. And, but everybody tends to sit on those ideas and not do anything with them. So just congratulations. I mean, there are, you know, there are a lot of people out there with ideas who've never done anything with them. Here you guys, boom, you've got this idea and, you know, and then you moved on it. So just congratulations to both of you. If, you know, when it launches, where am I going to find you? I mean, I think right now we're doing a lot of stuff on Instagram. Honestly, the past few months, we've done a lot of like, you know, we've gone to Oregon, Oregon State, you know, colleges just kind of in the area where it's a close drive, kind of just doing content about, hey, here's something that you might not know, you know, based off the brochure, based off the pamphlet at called the University of Oregon, Oregon State University, right? So we've done a lot of Instagram content, a lot of LinkedIn posts kind of saying, hey, here's our experience to brothers starting a company, what's it actually been like? So a lot of social media, quad single officials are Instagram and especially in these next few weeks with our launch coming, there's been a lot more content about, hey, what does that actually mean to be ambassador for all you high schoolers out there? Why would you even want to use quad? So what are the benefits for that? So using Instagram, using LinkedIn, we found it been great resources to kind of getting word about what we do out. In addition to that, quadZoo.com is our website page and that's where kids can actually sign up, you know, whether it's a high school or as a college kid, but in terms of kind of learning more about what we do, those, you know, Instagram posts, LinkedIn posts, those have been kind of our most effective way we found really of getting word about what it is we do and, you know, how is what we're doing actually changing, you know, how college tours are really working. Yeah, this is a game changer and so I'm excited for you guys. What I'll do is at the end of the call, after the call, if you want to send me any of your social media links, you know, and obviously the website I'll share, but I want to be able to share those when I upload the podcast and we'll do my best to get this out ASAP, you know, so maybe we can catch it ahead of the launch or maybe right around the same time, but I also want to be respectful of your times, you know, Jack and you're busy. There are probably a lot of things going on right now where you, that you'd much rather be at, so I don't blame you. And then Evan, you know, I know you're high school students, so you know, I'm sure you've got things on your plate as well. So before we head out, before we transition out, what final things do you want to add or is there anything else you want to share? Did you think is important to share with folks out there? I just want to share that now that I'm at college, having the opportunity to speak with somebody who is at that same college, such a game changer, because I have now learned, you know, three weeks of the school that once you get like into the University of Pennsylvania, like, nobody cares about what you did in high school, nobody cares about your GPA, your SATs, score your extracurriculars, it's a plain slate. And just like having like just getting involved and filling your day up is so important and how you feel your day up, because the days are going to be full. And just if I, you know, just talking with somebody before you choose a school, because, you know, I've really found a really great community at Penn already. And it's been, as I said, three weeks. And I was pretty confident of that because like I knew people at Penn and I knew what their friends were like and I sort of knew what the social atmosphere was going to be like. But I just like, I'm so grateful. I've been like really, really happy at college so far. And there's obviously been a lot of surprises. There's been things that I didn't expect. But just because I had that experience talking with somebody, you know, I at least had an idea of what this whole college thing would be like, because it's a huge transition, especially East Coast from or West Coast East Coast. I mean, two different completely different worlds. And everybody always talked about the culture shock. And I'm like, there's no way it's real. It's so real. So just like talk with people, like if you're a high schooler, like even if it's not through Quazio, talk with people at colleges, because, you know, they have the knowledge, they have the experience. Because, yeah, it's a huge change. I miss home more than I thought that I ever would. And, but I'm excited. You know, I wake up every morning. Super happy. I'm here. Super excited. And yeah. Oh, that's awesome. That's awesome. I'm happy for you. Jack, Evan, any, I guess the last word Evan goes to you. You want to add me before we send up? Yeah, I mean, first, Jack, it's by the way. The first time I've heard you say that you that you miss us here. You miss us. You're back at home. So it's nice to finally be able to hear that. It's been what, three weeks now. But it's nice that you know, over the zoom, you can finally tell up to us. So appreciate that. But yeah, now one last thing I'd say just, you know, from the high schoolers of pinninas in these past few months, I've had the opportunity to talk to 50, 60 kids over zoom, almost 50, 60 in my own little quad geo, you know, experiences as a high schooler. And I've learned so much about, and I've talked to kids, stand for Duke Michigan, plenty at you, Penn. Like, I've just gone to see, you know, from these kids' perspectives, what's life like really at their college? You know, they're not giving me the script to run down there. Tell me, hey, Oregon State allergies, they're awful, right? Like, that's just the reality of things. They're telling me things that I want to be able to know any other way, unless I really have the opportunity to talk to them. So as my brother has said, whether it's their quad geo, whether it's not having the opportunity to talk to a college kid as a high schooler, is just game changer. Because they, they're basically, they're living your dream. If I'm interested in the university of Pennsylvania, my brother is living my dream. He's in, you know, where I hope to be in two to three years. So having the opportunity to talk to somebody who's in, you know, the very spot that you hope to be in a couple of years is game changing. And so whether they tell you, you know, spots on campus you want to hang out at, or maybe they tell you, you know, things, you know, I might want to avoid on campus is just a life changing experience to be able to talk with somebody. So I mean, from a high schooler's perspective, it's amazing. Well, it sounds like just as you said, it's a game changer. And so again, congratulations to both of you. I'm excited for this episode. I'm excited to share the story and, and to share all of the links. So far listeners viewers out there, you know, if you're a high school student or if you're a parent and you've got it, you know, you got a kid that's getting ready to apply to colleges or is doing that research. It's in that research stage, you know, check out quad zero. Being on campus and going on a college course, one thing, but talking to college students that are actually living it and experiencing it, I think is is very different. And can give you a better sense of what it's really like to be on this campus. So, Jelma, thank you. Thank you for joining me. This concludes another episode with a way to college podcast. Dr. Saisal, leave us signing off. Thank you to my guests. 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