Josh Heupel joins Josh Pate - Pate State Speaker Series

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We were just talking, this is year six. You're about to enter year six. It's one of those time is relative things like LL Kujie said. It's a time is relative because I feel like you got hired yesterday, but also I got several memories already. Do you feel like this thing's kind of flown by or you feel like you're way, way into it now? It does feel like it's flown by. It feels like yesterday, you know, spring game this past weekend. A lot of former players here, but now there's a lot of our former players that are coming back to and it's gone by really quickly. It's been a ton of fun. This fan base is unbelievable and second to none and it's been fun continuing to grow. And we still got more growth out there, but that's been the fun part of this off season. So I know you got like a million different ways you choose to grade, program, players, staff, nutrition, like all that stuff. And we'll get into that. But if you'd like zoom it out a little bit and you look at it holistically when you're driving home on a random Tuesday afternoon, and you're just kind of letting your mind wander on how you feel about where things are overall. Like you're grading the overall state of I'm Josh Hyple. I'm the head coach at Tennessee. We're going into year six. Here's kind of where we are. What's the vibe you have about that right now? Well, I love the group that I get a chance to come in and compete with. Every single day as we continue to grow to what we want to be and need to be when we get next fall. That staff, that's our players. We have a lot of new players, four or six new guys on our roster this spring, how they've integrated into the values and the core principles of who we have to be as volunteers inside of this program, how we grow to what we need to be when we compete on the field on Saturday afternoons. There's been a lot of work that's gone into it this morning. There's been a lot of work that's gone into it this off season in the state of college football. I mean, you have to go back to your foundational pieces every off season and truly build that team now more than ever. It's always been that way. But this has been a great group. We're sitting here in the team meeting room and I just think about the guys that are here, how they've grown since they first arrived in late January as we started our winter semester. And love where we're at. You finish spring ball. There's still a lot of growth in every department, everything that you just mentioned. But we have the right people inside the building. I think if I were in your position like as an outsider, there's a perfect way I would love to go about doing things. Then there's the realistic way I have to go about doing things. But I would imagine just over the span of your career as a head coach, that's kind of changed because you just mentioned having 46 new faces in here. Well, that was not usual roster turn 10 years ago. But that's kind of the norm. And they're way more extreme examples than that out there. How much have you kind of had to, I wouldn't say sacrifice, but like bend on in terms of your beliefs or your approaches just because of the reality of the way things are? Yeah, the bend in our approach, who we are, how we have to compete every single day in every area of our life. I don't think you can bend in those things. There's a standard here. Everybody's got to meet that standard starting with me. Certainly our staff and players. I don't I think if you start bending in who you are, how you attack things, the type of competitor that you have to be, you're going to shortchange yourself from what you need to be when you cross the white lines, when you get to Saturdays in the fall. The outside of the game, there's been a lot of dramatic changes and some subtle ones here. Certainly since we arrived at Tennessee, but what it takes to be successful between the white lines hasn't changed. Certainly as a leader of a program, you have a vision, you have a plan. In today's game, you have to be able to adapt new rules, new legislation. You have to be able to adapt and find the right path forward for you as those things happen. I've noticed sort of adaptability has always been a key of success. So that's not new in college football because of the amount of change that's happened. There's a lot more adaptation. Probably that has to happen then 15 years ago or something like that. Now, if I'm on the outside, I can just afford to spend time complaining about the stuff I don't like because I don't have to come to work and get in front of this team every day like you do. And so I would imagine you don't love everything exactly how it is, but you kind of toss your personal feelings in the trash and adapt or die. You get that or you wouldn't have been a head coach as long as you are. How much do you sometimes have to hammer that home to other people in the building when you maybe start to feel that mentality permeate a little bit? Yeah, as new rules come out and you have to change your approach or your plan, selling that plan to your players, but to your staff as well. I think your words matter, certainly as a leader, but they're also going to follow your energy and your actions. And that's why it's important to me to be extremely consistent in who I am, how I approach every day, the energy that I have as I meet our players as they're coming into our building and certainly our staff the same way. You guys brought Jim Knowles in two years ago. That guy's winning a national championship. You went up against him in the playoffs. They go on to win it all. You remember, OK, then he goes to Penn State and last year looked to be this culmination of Penn State football and then it kind of goes off the rails. And then he comes here and it was an eyebrow razor. I think for most people when you made the move, but then you start to sort of get the subtext of it, the subtext of it is, yes, Jim Knowles came in. Here's who came with him on the field, off the field. Here's who came with him. You could have done it either way, but I mean, you're it seems like you're really reaping the rewards right now of him coming here and who he brought with him. How fast does that sort of speed up the process of a new defense? Yeah, I think that's one of the keys. Ultimately, made some decisions this off season for our program to gain the inches that we need to to be what we're capable of and the goals that we have. Having been a coordinator, having gone different places, understand when you're a coordinator, you step into that unit staff room, having to get everybody on the same page and key phrase that you just said at the end of the day, we're here to become as good as we can, as fast as we can. And through that process that I've gone through communication with Coach Knowles, as we were going through the interview process and him come to campus, felt like it was important that he had somebody at every level of the defense that had some familiarity with what he had done. And that was for a lot of different reasons. One, to expedite getting it to our players as fast as we can for them to grow as quickly as possible. The second thing is in the teaching patterns, when you have a group that's been with you and had to install it different ways, subtle tweaks to what you're doing to make it as efficient for those guys to grasp onto it. And I think that was a huge part of the growth that we've had from winter through spring ball and ultimately getting us to where we need to be when we kicked off in training camp. You mentioned finding the inches there. That's really what this game's about. And I know at the end of the season, people just look and they define a team as they were nine and three, they were eight and four. So I think back to last year, the Georgia game missed kick away from just winning the game. It's an overtime game. The Oklahoma game is a one possession game. Bama is a close game that's kind of disguised as a blowout game because of the way the first half ended. And yet at the end of the day, outside world really doesn't care about the context. They just see it was an eight win season. You don't grade yourself that way, per se. But like when you're looking, sometimes there are wholesale changes that are needed and sometimes it's just inches. And how different is the approach when you realize it's one versus the other? Well, I think you always evaluate everything inside of your program. You look at the results, but it's got to be process driven. You look at those games that you just mentioned. Just the turnovers and the points that came off of them are the difference in the season. But ultimately the standard here is go win championships and wanted to gain the inches that I felt like we needed to in a couple of areas for us to have the consistency to be at an elite level and excited about what we've done. That's the defense of staff. It's a reform of staff. But when you look back on it, the outside world is going to look at the results. Man, we're result oriented as far as you're either good enough or you're not. When you walk off the field, that's what I love about sports, college football. The scoreboard doesn't lie. We got to find a couple of things to gain the inches that we we need to. And I'm really excited about what we brought in and how our players have adjusted, bought into that. And I think that's why we've had the success this off season that we have. I think it was pretty obvious for people watching you guys closely. There were some second half performances, specifically second half of the season, like the Vandy game comes to mind, where you're just looking from like a physicality standpoint, a toughness standpoint. And I'm trying to get inside your head. And I'm imagining you're watching that saying, yeah, this isn't good enough. We got to get better here. And you made a move in strength and conditioning. And it was really quick after Indiana was the national championship game. You got a guy that was one of the focal points of building that foundation that's in your building really like the next morning. It was the next morning. And the feedback so far just throughout spring has been like night and day. It's not even to like, you know, dump on someone who was here before. But you seem to have gotten like a world class premier guy running that weight room, running nutrition. What's been your impression of that so far? Yeah, I think, you know, who he is, you know, how he onboarded his ability to connect with our players, his experience. You know, you look at being a major part of building a program, the development of the players inside of that program and where he came from before that. He has tangible proof of the development of the player. And as we embarked on this offseason, adding mass, explosive power and speed and acceleration, our guys have seen tangible proof individually and collectively as a football team, having gone through this process. Our offseason before we got to spring ball, the design of our spring ball, we were still getting a lot of those things out of the weight room while we were getting work on the grass. It's been been a great start. But, you know, Derek, how he came in here the morning after the championship game, talked to our football team, started the workouts the following morning. He got those guys to buy in extremely quickly. And he's been able to handle and tie all of those departments together from nutrition to our medical team to put our guys in a position to ultimately be their best. Now, we all know women's basketball is the moment. This is a shanty plumber and I'm here at I heart. We have an amazing new podcaster who now happens to be a top WNBA draft pick. We're talking about my friend and cohost, Azi, but of course. So congrats, Azi, from all of us here at I heart and your friends over at Geico. We know your life's about to change. New city, new locker room, new home. It's exciting and it's also a lot. But here's the thing, you're not doing it alone. Of course, you got your friends, your family and your teammates. 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First off, you're asking like, how do we even pull this off? But secondly, what was the immediate reaction? You know, when guys who have done it one way are now introduced to the way we're about to do it. You know, for Derek, his staff to come here to choose to be at Tennessee, wanting to be a part of this program, understanding the tools, resources that we have as a program, the iconic brand that is Tennessee football, the passion of our fan base, choosing and wanting to be here speaks really loudly to who he is and what he's about. And I think that resonated with our players too. And then, you know, through that first meeting, the tangible proof that he's able to show and present who he is, his core beliefs, align exactly what was already inside of the team room, but his ability to demand and command it from his players on a consistent basis, I think, has tied those things together in a really unique way here. Did you see that internet rumor that you kind of already have the quarterback position figured out? You were just waiting on us to come into town. Yeah, the announcement's coming now. So you saw that. So, yeah, just take the full quarterback situation. What's the deal right now? Nobody in the fan base is paying attention to that, right? It's been really good. You know, three guys that have competed at a really high level against each other and with each other, they've done it a really positive way. Young players, they got high ceilings. They have to continue to progress. They've done that through the 15 days of spring ball, did it in our off season too. Took care of the football in a really good way, made plays. I think I was really pleased with how they handled, you know, a bad play to the next play and maybe not their best day to the following day. The resiliency that they showed as young players tried to put them in a lot of competitive adverse situations, thought they handled those things really well. There was a lot of learning for them. In my experience, you finish up spring ball. If you do it the right way as a player and staff, you know, the next three weeks before they finish and get out of here for a couple weeks before we start our summer program and through the summer, they got a chance to go back through those things, digest them and become a much better football player before they come back to training camp. And that's why we'll still have a competition when we start it. I think it's important that that guy, just like anybody else inside of your program, but certainly that guy that has the ball in his hands and is such a decision maker and has such an impact on the game, has to learn it and take it in front of his teammates. And that's a process those guys will go through. You're just talking about something that is kind of theater of the mind to a fan. Like there's a guy watching in Johnson City, Tennessee right now. He sees the last snap of spring ball. And then the next thing he's really going to see is the first images of fall camp. You're talking about the period in between. And yet no one ever really gets to see that. No one's observing summer workouts from a fan standpoint. So it's kind of you imagine what's happening from spring to fall camp. But specifically, what will those guys go through over the next couple of months that impacts how fall camp will start? Yeah, we finish up spring ball. They got an opportunity to go back through. You create cut ups. They get a chance to watch all of themselves. But us as an offensive unit, go back through this game. Everything that they're seeing on the defensive side of the football. Again, continue to grow in your understanding of defensive alignments and scheme responsibilities, the efficiency of the quarterback position, being able to see things, have their eyes in the right place for their initial keys and work through their progression, the fundamentals and technique body position that it takes to play the position to be consistently accurate. There's so many fine details that go into that position and making it look easy and playing at a consistent level. Those guys got to continue to refine and develop all of those things. And through the course of the summer, some of your installs, your on field experiences, what you're doing in strength and conditioning, they have a chance to continue to grow and certainly young players make dramatic improvements if they do it the right way. And I'm excited to see these guys throughout the course of the summer. When a fan or me thinks about a quarterback battle, you kind of like close your eyes and you're picturing two race cars one of them's way ahead or their neck and neck. But you know, like it changes subtly day by day and eventually someone's going to win. Someone's going to take the first snap week one. Yeah. Maybe that's the way you think about quarterback battle, but more realistically, it's not. So when you think about comparative competition, specifically that position where it's going to be one guy who wins it, like, I know you're evaluating every single snap, every single day, but when you have to like summarize it for your own purposes in your own mind, how do you picture quarterback competitions as you're in them? Well, I think as you go through spring ball, the process of snap to the whistle of that play, it can't just be result orientated. There's got to be are they doing the right things in the process of it? Your offensive lines learning how to play, your wide outs are learning how to play. So there's going to be adverse situations naturally. A lot of them in early part of spring ball and hopefully that is decreasing. As you go through the rest of spring ball, but in those adverse situations, how are they handling themselves? How are they taking care of the football? All the things that go into playing that position. When you have young quarterbacks, the natural leadership part of the quarterback position, those guys are fighting every day to master and build their understanding of offense, the position and what's going on the other side of the football. As they continue to grow as a player, then more of those leadership things should be coming out and that's what we will look for, how they're impacting the guys around them as well as we get in training camp. If I were to stand next to you every practice in spring ball and then spring ball wraps and I went back to Nashville and someone asked me about the quarterback position, my mind would probably think in highlight terms. I'd probably remember a few things I saw George did. I probably remember, man, there were a couple of plays phase on made. Because that's highlight culture. I grew up watching sports center. So like I lived in highlight culture. I've been immersed in it. That's not the way you evaluate a player. I probably remember the bad more than the highlight plays. So low light culture. Yeah. But when you think back on the spring, you just went through. You think about those two guys, but we could be talking about any position. How does your mind remember it? Or is it more like something I would look at chart wise, analytically? Like it's strictly database. I think if you just look at it analytically, you're missing the entire portrait, the picture that's been painted, however you want to phrase it. Certainly you can look at those things and it gives you a broad basis of it. But again, it's so much process orientated. It's eyes being in the right position, its body position, all those things that ultimately dictate the consistency of that player. And we want and expect that guy to be a playmaker as well. But is he doing that and putting the ball in harm? So it's a combination of all those things that go into who is going to be the guy when we get to, you know, through training camp. You guys made some staff moves. And I'm going to go back to the outside worlds viewpoint versus inside your world. I think maybe sometimes you would think about a staff full of people and you would think, all right, well, some of them are your absolute best. Someone's got to be the worst on the staff. Someone's got to be the best on the staff. But when you're considering a staff move, like we need to make a change here, are there times where you kind of get close to it, but you think, yeah, I don't think things quite merit making a change there, but we need big improvement. Or if you ever start to even get close, do you start to say to yourself, if I'm even considering this, I just need to go ahead and do it? Well, I think you got to be be clear in your communication, your expectations and areas of growth. That's what you're doing on the back end of any season is you're going to self scout off as defense special teams, but then also with your staff, areas of emphasis and growth that is needed. If you don't see that, all right, after you've given them the task, then it becomes time to make a change and, you know, certainly had good people, good coaches that were here. Ultimately, you know, I already talked about it, but when I'm made to change that, you know, defensive coordinator, all right, now it's about how do I put that room and our staff together in a way for us to be as good as we can, as fast as we can. And that's why, you know, the remorse staff changes. You were talking about defense there and all the the buzz that we heard out of spring ball was defense kind of surprising, maybe a little bit ahead of where we thought we would be. I think I heard you say that a few times at media availabilities. What does that look like? Like what specifically does it mean when defense is a little ahead of where we thought it would be? Yeah, I don't know that I would say ahead of what I would thought it would be, but I like the progress that we've made. I think we're ahead of where outside voices maybe thought there we would be. Again, from hiring a staff where we could get them all on the same page extremely quickly, get that to our players in a concise, easy way to digest it. Then getting into spring ball and putting everything together. I thought our players worked extremely hard to grasp everything. They continued to improve every single day. I thought, you know, from our front to second and third level, our run fits, tying in the coverage together, the communication that needs to take place inside of it. I thought they handled it extremely well. There's still a lot of growth for us left as we go through the summer and into training camp, but I am really excited about where we're at. Support for the show comes from public, the investing platform for those who take it seriously on public. You can build a multi asset portfolio of stocks, bonds, options, crypto, and now generated assets, which allow you to turn any idea into an investable index with AI. 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Some guys want to be intimately involved in every detail, because ultimately they're going to have to answer for it. And then others kind of I don't want to be involved in any kind of payroll discussions, because when I'm sitting next to a guy, I don't want it to ever have become that personal. Where do you stand on all that? Yeah, ultimately I want to know the players that we're bringing in here in a very clear way from what the tape looks like to who they are, what's their makeup as a competitor and as a person. I think it's important that you continue to recruit to the culture of your program and who you want to be. And I think we've done a really good job of that in the portal, which is hard to do because it happens extremely quickly. But our staff has tied everything together in a really good way. The details of the contracts and that type of thing have a general understanding, but I'm not in the nuts and bolts of every contract. You guys exit Spring from your own personal standpoint, like Josh Hypal's specific action items. They could be team related or they could be like you personally. What do the next few months look like for you? Yeah, we need to continue to grow physically. And that happens in our strength and performance area with coach Owings and our nutrition staff. We have to continue to grow in that. We have to continue to grow and build and master the fundamentals and techniques that it takes to play with inside the scope of the scheme. And then we need to continue to grow inside of our scheme. But as much as anything with the amount of turnover that we've had, you have to continue to build connection with your team. And that's offense, defense, special teams, everybody together. So we have to continue to do that as well. Are there moments where you're just walking through the building, you may be like observant interaction or you have it like we've all been in places where you can feel chemistry happening. Yeah, we've all been in places where it's not happening. And I'm curious, like when you walk through a building and you interact as a head coach, do you have like this own internal scale of where we are in terms of organizational cohesiveness and togetherness at any given point in time? Well, I think it's important that, you know, for me, you look at the size of staffs now that you hire people that are like-minded in what their passion and their purpose is inside of this game. Elite teachers, absolutely. But guys that are in it for the vision and the reason that I am in what we're trying to build inside of this program as we build young men and players. When you do that, you know that they're heading into their position rooms and the goals and the verbiage that I use are being carried out and echoed throughout all of those position rooms. You know, week one when you have 46 new players, you look at how they interact with each other as they come into the team room or they're in their workouts, dramatically different than it was, you know, four weeks later. And you can see that tangibly, even when you go down to dinner here in this facility and see guys intermixing between position groups, their ages, and it's been a lot of fun to continue to see that grow. But as you get to the fall, that connection piece is going to be important as you go through the season to be able to handle the highs, the lows and have that next play mentality and a belief in a trust and an expectation in the guy next to you, in the guy that's on the other unit that's on the field. But that's the fun part of being in what I consider to be the greatest team sport that there is, is continuing to build both things. Josh Hopper, we appreciate it. I appreciate it. Thank you. This is Sarah Spain with a huge congratulations to WNBA top draft pick and amazing I Heart podcaster, Aze Fudd, from all of us here and your friends at Geico. We know your life is about to change new city, new locker room, new home. It's a lot, but you're not doing it alone. You've got friends, family and teammates. You've got all of us at I Heart Women Sports and you've got Geico with you every step of the way. Congrats again, Aze. Listen to Aze's podcast, but around and find out wherever you listen to podcasts. At CVS, it matters that we're not just in your community, but that we're part of it. It matters that we're here for you when you need us day or night. And we want everyone to feel welcomed and rewarded. 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