Eurovision Winner Mr. Lordi of LORDI | 20th Anniversary Interview

Welcome to Music Matters Podcast with Darrell Craig Harris, talking about all things music with celebrities, artists, music business insiders and more. Mr. Lordy, how are you doing today? I'm alright. I'm okay. So, you are in the frozen north of Finland. I'll try to pronounce the name Rovaniemi. I don't know if that's it. Well, I understood it. Rovaniemi. There you go. Yeah, I know. I can't. I can't. Much better than most of the tourists I hear them, you know, here. So, there's all kinds of versions. I could never understand what, so what are you looking for? What is the place? There's all kinds of weird. Yeah, they just want to know. For people that don't know, that's where Santa Claus lives, evidently I've been told. Correct, sir. Correct. Even though this is not the north pole, this is Arctic Circle. Have to be precise about this. Yes, that's important. And it's a little chilly up there, I hear. I've never been that far north in Finland. I've been to Helsinki many times. And my friend, our actually mutual friend, Tracy Lip, is the reason why we're talking because Tracy has worked with you guys with Lordy, the band, for many, many years. How many years has that been now? I think it's 25. Wow. I think it's 25 years. I mean, see, it's the first album he was brought in, you know, for vocal coaching me and, you know, check on my pronunciation and my lyrics and stuff like that. So he was brought in then. And yeah. And he's like a bubblegum in my hair. I cannot get rid of him. I know the feeling. Faster. Yeah, I know. I've known Tracy probably since we were like 15 or 16 years old. So it's been, that's like many decades now because I'm old. But so you guys, Lordy, the band is a huge band based in Finland, but you're global because you actually won Eurovision in 2006. And I think you're still the only Eurovision winner ever from Finland, is that correct? I think so too. Yeah. I haven't heard of any other. You probably know it. So that was... I think I would know, yeah. But then again, I could be wrong. I could be wrong if I missed one year, I don't know. Yeah. That's well you never know. But so that was 20 years ago. This is your anniversary. You know, also this is the anniversary of your breakout album, The Arachalips. The one with the song Hard Rock, Hallelujah, that was your Eurovision song. And from then on, you guys have been like on a rocket ride and you're always touring. I know you've done, I think you're on your 19th album. The latest one is Limited Edition, which is cool. So what a wild ride you've had. And also too, like most bands, as you know, don't last a couple of years. You guys have been around for over 30 years. Tell me how you originally came up with the idea for Lordy, the band and the style. I gotta tell you the secret. So I've lasted for all this time. The rest of the band has, you know, and the lineup has changed quite a few times actually. Well, that could happen. Yes. Yeah. It's like John Bon Jovi in Bon Jovi. It's like, you know, you know what I mean? It's like that. So yeah, what was the question? What was the whole idea? Yeah. Yeah. So Lordy, for people that have not seen Lordy or seen your videos, Lordy is you guys wear heavy kind of horror makeup, I guess. And I know you were a special effects. No, it's trying to look pretty. No, it's a rumor. Yeah. When we're not succeeding as far as I'm concerned, as I know that, you know, I mean, we try to look, you know, pretty, but, you know, we're not really successful in that. So no. Anyway, yeah. So it's the whole thing, Lordy. I mean, Lordy is my nickname since the late 80s that, you know, was given to me by my friend's mom. And it's also the name of the band and name of my alter ego. And it's a combination of things that I love. You know, it's like melodic hard rock or heavy metal, if you will, or classic rock nowadays, I guess it's called, you know, the style. And with monsters, I'm a big horror and sci-fi fan and monsters and SFX fan. And, you know, so it's a combination of all these things, you know, put together through the grinder and, you know, then, yeah, that's what it is, to put it in a nutshell, you know, that's what it is. Who are some of the bands that you love growing up? I would assume bands like Kiss, but you tell me. Kiss, the main influence, obviously, Kiss, you know, and I wanted to be Gene Simmons. That's why I'm here today. Well, I could be still here today without Gene Simmons, but not as Lordy, not as, you know, I mean, for sure, we wouldn't be doing this little chat now, you know, for sure, but it's not the influence of Kiss. But of course, also Twisted Sister, Alice Cooper, so on, so on, so on, you know, yeah. Yeah, and you guys, I saw you last time I was in Helsinki, I saw you guys at Tavastia. And what a great show. Like, you know, people, I've said that about Kiss before, too, like, even if you didn't necessarily know the music, the show is awesome. Tell me about putting the show together, because you guys are actually working on a kind of a redo, but updated redo of your original tour way back when. What can I say? I mean, we try to do something that... Let me put it this way. Like, I've always been a guy that I don't want to go see a band, you know, if there's nothing worth seeing for, if you know what I mean. It's like any band sounds better on your stereo, on your stereo from CD or vinyl, or whatever you use, you know, fucking mp3s, whatever. It sounds better than live. I mean, that's just my humble opinion that you don't go to hear a band. You don't, in any language that you don't say that, hey, let's go listen to a band. You go see a band. And there should be something worth seeing for. And I've never been into the bands. I'm musically, yeah, sure. But I've never been into going to see a band when I know that there's nothing worth seeing for. So that's where, well, then again, you know, my influences, like I said, KISS, Alice Cooper, Twisted Sister, WASP, all these bands, you know, they have they have something worth seeing for. And that's what we're trying to do. And it's getting harder and harder all the time because of all these restrictions and rules in every single country. And they, you know, the venues and the rock clubs and the arenas and whatever, you know, ice rinks and shit, there's all these new rules and restrictions all the time. Yeah. And the craziest, the craziest thing is that that as I mean, I mean, the days of using pyro at a rock club, those are long gone, you know. So then we, OK, let's use smokes. Let's use let's try to do some effects with smokes and confetti and and and and, you know, fake blood and stuff like that. But even now, those are forbidden in many of the venues who you couldn't believe. I say, why? Why can't I throw a confetti? Why can't oh, because of the cleaning fees, because of it. It gets stuck in the ventilation system and they say it's a fire hazard. How the fuck says clean it up? Well, we don't want to clean it up. You know, we have to pay overdrive overtime for the cleaners. And there's like, why can't I why can't I spray, you know, fake blood? Oh, it's a cleaning issue. Well, you have like fucking 1000 people with, you know, spilling beer on the floor and it's the floor is so sticky and you nobody nobody has mopped the goddamn venue floor in the hall like in a decade. So so so you mean that, you know, a few few. I don't know, like few few cups of fake blood would, you know, make the oh, that would be terrible. That would be right. I shit like that. It might make the place look better. Yeah. But you know what I mean? It's so stupid that that and then even the smoke bombs. And now now this is the insane part that in some venues, in some cities, in some countries, a normal smoke machine is already too much because it is considered a pyro and it's just fog. It's it's it's it's vaporized fucking water. It's it's it's not smoke. Nothing's burning there, but it's considered as pyro. And that is so stupid. I mean, this world has, I mean, there's way too many restrictions and rules and laws now. Oh, getting hotter. Now, there's more, more important, more important things to worry about that, you know, unfortunately. And it makes it hard for you because you guys want to put on a great show for your fans, right? Yeah. I mean, we try, but it's it's it's not. If I look like some clips from our shows, like, let's say, 20 years ago, you know, or even 15 years ago, I mean, I mean, we could do so much more than we are allowed to do today. Just insane. And it's sad. It's like, you know. Yeah. But you guys, you know what? I'll say, like, and I had not seen you guys before when I when I saw you this last time and, like, it was such a great show. And I love the fact that you you you can tell that you really love your fans. Talk about your fans and because you have a lot of very loyal fans all over the world. Talk a little bit about that. They are good people. I don't I don't know. Because one thing is that of course, I appreciate every single fan that we have. And it's like you said, you're the loyalty of them. It's really, really cool. And it's really heartwarming. But then again, I don't do anything with my art to please the fans or anyone else. My target group is one person that is myself. I'm doing everything just to please myself. And and if anyone else likes it, it's a plus. That's the way I see it. And and yeah. And of course, I appreciate those people who are who are agreeing with me. But everyone's not talking because we have been changing. You know, every once in a while, we've been changing our style, you know, some albums or songs, so whatever, you know, that we are, you know, no. We have gone quite far from our original framework of, you know, how we sound and what we do musically and, you know, genre wise and stuff like that. So so they have been some naggers, but I don't really care because it's like. You know, so yeah. OK, to wrap it up, I appreciate every single fan because I'm a fan boy myself. But I would not be I would not be somebody would ever have the balls to go and you know, tell you well, not to kiss guys anymore, but let's say to Gene Simmons or Alice Cooper or anyone to say that you should you guys should do an album like this or you why did you do an album like that? I because it's not my place to say it's not like, you know, if you dig it, you dig it, that's good. But if you don't shut up, you know, it's it's. Yeah. And it's about being authentic to yourself, right? You don't want to be trying to chase a trend or try to. And for many people, I've noticed that it that it that it's that it's really hard for them to understand that the bands or the artists or at least, you know, myself or my band, we are not doing it for the fans. You know, the art is not done for the fans. If you like it, we are happy as fuck, you know, if you love it, if you like it. But if you don't, then it's just like, oh, that's a pity, you know, because this is what we felt like doing this time, you know, and it's not done. You know, to please it's not done to please anyone else. That's how and that is the for me, that is so simple. It's a simple fact. It's crystal clear. This is how any artist should see their work. What comes naturally and organically and and and something that feels right at any given time. What you if you feel like that you want to do a really hard metal album, then you should do it. If you feel like that you need to do a softer shit, you know, you do it, but you cannot force yourself because you're thinking, what would the fans like this time? You know, it's not going to work like that. It's it's it's dishonest, you know, if you would do it like that. Actually, producer Rick Rubin talked about that. He goes, no, you make music for yourself. It's exactly the same thing what you just said. Because if you're if you're an artist, then that's what you do. And hopefully people like it, but you can't really control that. Right. Yeah. Talk about songwriting because you and and Lourdy, you pretty much you're doing everything. You're not only doing the makeup design and all that, but you're also doing all the songwriting production. So tell me tell me about most of it. Yes. Yeah. Tell me about songwriting for you. How does that work? Is that something like you kind of sit down like I'm going to write a song the day or you just get inspiration and go? Well, sometimes like that. I have few methods that I'm, you know, that I'm using. It's usually the good shit. The good stuff comes when I'm walking the dog or driving in my car or doing the groceries or something like really, you know, if I if I if I'm in a good mood and then I just like start humming a melody or something. And then it says, all right, that's cool. You know, and if it's good enough of a melody, then I will still remember it tomorrow and the next day after that. So then and then I might, you know, you know, make a note of that and record it down, you know, you know, to be safe that I won't forget it like in a week or something. Most of the times it starts like that, you know, any any riff or melody, you know, a little bit, it starts like just like that. But I've been there many times and I've written lots of songs also that I sit down and I decide that now I will write a song. And I might have just like a little, little, tiny, tiny idea that OK, I want to write that and that kind of a song or this kind of a song. And I want to have that kind of a feeling or in the style of this song or that song. And and I'm pretty good at that, actually. I'm pretty good at mimicking the styles of. Different eras of different bands or musical styles. I'm pretty good at that. And I I have this. Formula that I'm doing that I usually take the guitar and let's say there's a song by whatever band. So first I first I like like practice like it's just like a campfire version of it on an acoustic guitar and I just like strumming around. OK. And then I just keep keep playing it, keep singing it. And then I start slowly changing the the order of the chords. And I'm jamming it away from the original. So it still keeps the same feel and it still keeps the same. It has the same feel to it. It has the same atmosphere. It has the same. Usually the tempo is the same, not every time. But but you know, I'm kind of like painting the the the fence around the the playground there with that song. Well, I start about then I go try to go as far as I can with with only those pieces of the puzzle that I that are given to me by that song originally, you know, by someone else. And then I'm just like, you know, re putting the pieces of the puzzle in a different order. And many times that that is really, really, really productive method. And many times it's really, really works like a charm. And anybody who writes songs, I mean, I urge if you haven't tried that, please do because if you want to start a song in any certain style, pick up a song, play that and start playing that for half an hour or an hour and just get away from that. But but don't add any new chords or, you know, notes there. Just stay within that given framework. Let it simmer and let it because songs have kind of have their own life in a way to it. Right. Yeah. You've been you've been speaking of songs. You've been very prolific because the current album that came out in 2025, Limited Edition is your 19th, which is crazy. That's a lot of albums. Yeah, well, we did release seven other at one go during Corona over time. So yeah. And I was going to ask you about that. So you did a project where you released seven albums at the same time and there were various, various different styles. Talk about some of the different styles in those in those albums. Yeah. Well, my original idea was because since I knew that, OK, there won't be any any touring in the in the near future. I was a prophet. I saw that, you know, that this is not going to end, even though all the all the booking agencies and it was the oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. This will be this whole thing will blow off in a few months or something. And everybody's back on the road. I I was right. It didn't go like that as we all know now. So I said, OK, now it's something that now now is the time to do something that that normally you wouldn't have time to do. So my original idea was to do 10 albums. But the label at the time said that no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, that's that's that's too much. So so it was a compromise of seven albums. So so we did. You know, like like a big fictional fictional back catalog for for Lordy, because we started in 92. But you know, anything, you know, before that, it's just like we created that as if we would have started in 1974. OK. So the first first fictional album is like a truly like a like a like a 70s hard rock album, rock and roll album 74, then 79 disco album, pure disco, then like 81 style, conceptual, progressive rock album, rock app, opera, if you will. Then, you know, like this, like a hair metal album and shit like that. And yeah, so so and that was a fun project, you know, leading up to, you know, trash speed metal album from the early 90s and stuff like that. And it's just fun. But we but we didn't do three albums that I also was, you know, was ready to be prepared to do that. One was country album. I think the world needs to hear that. Yeah. Yeah. And then then like like a movie score album, like a movie score thing, like like orchestrated thing that wouldn't necessarily have the band even in it and not necessarily even have the vocals. And that would, of course, raise a question that would it even be a Lauderdale album because it wouldn't be the band, you know, it wouldn't be, you know. And then the third one would have been like like a 90s, late 80s synth pop album, like like Depeche Mode kind of style. And now some people after that have been asking that, that are you going to release those albums? Well, no, because we didn't record them. I didn't, I didn't, I didn't write those albums. That was the plan. But then again, you know, those kind of. Make it the last catalog. Yeah. But then again, those kind of leaps that are so far away from your home, so to speak, can only work in a concept of like, you know, multiple albums that are portraying different sides of music. But, but we, I mean, any band could not release all of a sudden country album, you know, it's like, yeah, yeah, or, or needless to say, a score like music, musical, like a film score album, you couldn't do that. That would be imagine that, you know, OK, this is the next album from Laurie and and it's just like, OK, the band doesn't actually play there. Nobody actually sings there. Talking about the music videos that you've released, they're all really great and they really showcase your makeup and the look of the band. Talk about how important that has been to get new fans and to get out there in the world. Well, I don't know if, if. Hmm. Well, I'm not the right person to answer that question, that how important are they to gain new fans? I have no idea. Usually the music, because I think that nowadays, I mean, let's say 20 years ago, 20 years ago, it was different. But now since the media has already is so fragmented everywhere and it's also so targeted that, that there's no way if you don't know a band, there's no way you can find it by accident. It's not going to happen, you know, like that anymore. You know, if you go back to the. Well, even in the early 2000s or late 90s, you know, you know, in the middle genre or rock genre, there are these actual printed magazines that the young people don't even know about that there and whatever made made it to the pages of those magazines, those. Oh, what is this band? Oh, OK. But now it is that person. Now it is that doesn't happen. So when talking about music videos, it's like, I don't think that nobody. Who doesn't know about Lori would just by accident bump into a lot of it. I don't I don't know. I'm you know, I'm not. I have never been on social media in my life and not for one second. I've never been on Facebook, Instagram, Tik Tok or whatever the shit. You know, all this, what's my call it, you know, fucking stupid. I hate that shit. But I get it. So so I so I so I don't know how that whole thing works. I really don't know how all these algorithms and all that, you know, shit, how would it how would it be even possible to, you know, for someone to find new music without searching for it or without knowing something of it. So I don't think a new music video. Helps at all. I mean, if I go on YouTube and try to find, I mean, you know, I type in kiss. I type in Twisted Sister. That's what I want to see. Oh, so but I don't I don't, you know, and then then it doesn't even offer me anything, you know, new that I don't know. It just gives me kiss and Twisted Sister. You know, and then I'm happy, you know. So in a way, I'm sorry, I got really far away from your question, but that's OK. But I don't know if the music videos nowadays are they are they are they serving as a calling card as they used to be? Yeah, well, it's definitely yeah, it's definitely changed. Obviously, back way back when when MTV first started, it was sitting. Everything was about music videos. And even 20 years ago, not only two, think about it, like even two decades ago, the situation was still for years that that that that they're like every country had music programs that would show music videos. And and that's the way you could find. Oh, what is this band? Oh, what is this style? What is this? You know, what? What is this I hear? What is this I see? You know, nowadays it's not possible anymore. It's not there's I mean, show me one TV channel in the world of all the countries in the world that are still showing music videos. I don't think there are none. I don't think there's any anyone existing anymore. Right. Yeah, it's always it's sort of a kind of a promotional tool, but you're right. It's so there's so much noise out there. It's hard to it's the same thing with the podcasting space. Like if you have a podcast, you have to promote it. Otherwise, nobody's going to find you, you know, same kind of same kind of idea. Talk about touring because you have some touring coming up in the summertime. Are you kind of in tour prep mode now and how long to take you to put that together? I wouldn't like to use the word tour because tour for me means that, you know, we are hopping into a bus to a nightliner and we go away from home for months. Right. That is a tour for me. The festival, you know, season that we're doing, they are one of us. I mean, we just fly in, fly out. You know, that's what we do. So so basically this year we are not touring per se in my terms. We're doing we're doing this the Arakalypse 20 20th anniversary shows. We are doing this mainly on the festivals. You know, there are a few like, let's say, normalish gigs there in between. But but basically we're not touring. But yeah, the preparations for that, you know, they are on the way. And I have to say that they should be much further than they are today. I think they should be much, much further. Because the original plan was like already like in the last fall or something. But by this time we have everything already set up. Nope, we do not. You know, it's still still in the works. Yeah, you guys have a big show. It's not it's not just it's not just staying there playing. Yeah. And yeah, it's a big show if you compare it to, you know, your average. Rock band, middle band, you know, who just, you know, walking with their jeans and t-shirts and they exactly plug in there. You know, so it's a big show compared to that. But of course, I mean, you know, we're still far away from, you know, acts of like Keith's or Alex or Ramstein or something like that. But yeah, it's we're in the same kind of like category, but much smaller. You know, that's what we're doing. But still, there's a lot of lot of lot of preparation to do for those, you know, for those shows, every every single show. And we have a we have a bigger crew because of the show. We have a bigger crew than than your average, no rock or metal band. Yeah, because it's a it's a it's like a production show. And it's a rock show, but it's also a production show. So but I love that. I love the I love your makeup. I love the makeup and all the guys. I know you design all that and the costumes are killer as well. So it's such a such a great presentation. I just I just love what you guys do. Get talk a little bit about you've learned. I know you've learned a lot along the way, not only about just music, touring, production, maybe give some younger artists maybe a little bit of advice. So just a couple of things that you've really learned that they need to know before they try to put all this stuff together in this rock rock world. Yeah, this is a hard question because I. It's like. Well. Now you got me quiet. Now you know you. I think. Yeah, I think the most important thing is that you don't do anything that, you know, really. Doesn't feel right. You should be true to yourself. That is that and that's where everything, you know. You know. Starts and if you and it's a good thing to to to have some goals where you are trying to what that you're trying to achieve. But don't be disappointed if you don't ever reach those goals. That that is also something that is really important that don't give up if you don't. Because. This is something that is really important, you know, to to to remind yourself in the music business. Is that that the only thing you cannot buy with money? I mean, I mean, the only thing you cannot. Buy is the success. If if the if the other people, meaning the audience or the crowd or the other or the music listeners, if they are liking what you're doing, like I said, it's a plus. And but you cannot force them. You you really cannot force people to like your art if they don't. And if there is, let's say if you're you're wishing to fill up a, you know, arena of 20,000 people every night, you're wishing to have that success. But if you if you don't, if there are there is a need for you to have that success, if there isn't 20,000 people who are agreeing with you that your art is good, then you should be happy with those 2000 who are happy with your stuff, that who are really into your stuff. And you should be happy and and and and, you know, grateful about that. And not like not be disappointed if your dreams don't come through in in the same magnitude or the or on the same level or volume as you were hoping for, you know. And that is something really important to remember that that that because I've seen this time and time again that the many bands or artists they are giving up, they're like like quitting or they're splitting up or yeah, well, the band didn't really go anywhere. Why the band is there? I mean, if if the only reason for the band or the artists to go on is to is to achieve those goals that they have put to themselves, then they have been, you know, in the wrong path in the in the in the first place. Because for me, it is that it should always be the main reason of doing music or doing art should be that the urge or the need to do that stuff and get it out of your system, not to please the fans or not to get success. That, you know, that that should be the main reason of doing anything in your life, especially if you're in the arts, you know, music or whatever. You know, so so if you please yourself, that should be enough. I know it doesn't pay the bills. It doesn't pay the pay the rent. You know, if you're if you are your biggest fan and you are the only fan, you know, it doesn't it doesn't work like that. But then again, you you you have to accept the fact that that that that that. The success is the only thing that is not dependent on you. You can be the most hardworking band in the fuck on the planet in history. But still, you might not ever end up outside your own city, you know, and it's and it's unfair. It's not fair. I know it is unfair. But that's how it is. But because if there are not enough people who like your shit, you know, then, you know, yeah. Yeah, it's it's important to to to define what success means to you versus what it means to other people. Because like you said, you can if you have 2000 loyal fans, that's much further than most bands ever get. Right. Yes. Yep. So count yourself lucky for that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let people know how they can find you guys online in terms of like your website and also check out your touring schedule and all that stuff. Like I said, I like like really, I don't know, Google it. I don't know. Yeah, that's OK. LORDI. OK, it's LORDI. LORDI.FI, that's what it is. And there you go, you know, you you already knew that.FI. And I didn't even know that. So, you know, because I use I mean, internet, for me, is an entertainment tool for porn. That's it. That's not a bad use. I live in the real world. You know, that's that's the thing, you know, you know. Hey, I hear, by the way, our friend, Tracy mentioned that you live in a haunted house. Yeah. Yeah. Tell me tell me a little bit about that, because I actually used to do ghost hunting. Why that one? Well, what can I say? It's my, you know, it's my it's my, you know, get my dad, you know, was born here in this house. And it's it's my like grandparent's house originally. And yeah, I even wrote a song. Oh, this house. I don't remember what year, but it's called House of Ghosts. And it's a it's a song about those experiences and those, you know, weird phenomena that we were experiencing then when moving in here and renovating the house. But now ever since, you know, there's there's been like, well, I would say pretty much monthly, there's something happening. But it has changed over these decades now here. It's it's it's not as. It's not as frequent and it's not as. I'm trying to find another word for aggressive because these ghosts that are that all the phenomenon that is happening here is the it's really aggressive sometimes. Yeah. And sometimes you feel the negative things, but mainly it's just like it feels like somebody's just like doing a prank on you. That's that's how it is. Yeah, maybe it's it's grandpa grandpa playing. Yeah, I believe you never know. But it's because this house is a history. This used to be somewhat 80 years ago. This this was a house where Nazi officers were living, you know, with my grandparents, so they were Nazis, but there's there were also Russian war criminals, prisoners working, you know, in the on the farm, you know, as well, they were prisoners and and and they were, you know, killed on the, you know, here in the yard and stuff like so. So there's there's there's a decent amount of you know, bad karma here. And, you know, you know, those kind of things that, you know, in the states, it would be an old Indian burial ground. Here it is like like old Nazi house. So yeah, so. Well, it's about Finland, you know, Finland's an old country, of course, too, and it's just a lot of history. And that's actually one of the reasons why I love coming to Finland. I love walking around Helsinki, seeing the old buildings. You feel like you're sort of in the 1930s. Yeah, right. It's such a cool vibe. I love the vibe there. The people are great. And thank you so much for joining me, Mr. Lordy. I know you're a very busy man and and you made time made time to talk. And I appreciate that. No problemo. Yeah, today has been surprisingly busy day. I it wasn't supposed to be. But then it leaked out today. I guess by accident, it leaked out today that, you know, we are performing at the Eurovision finals in May. And then then and I didn't know that it was leaked out. So then all of a sudden my phone starts ringing the whole fucking goddamn motherfucking day keeps ringing the whole and it's the finished media asking me about this. And I don't know, you know, what? And then I have to like what? And I call our management that said that that that is it out? And there's at least here in Germany, our management is in Germany. Like, well, OK, so then I can talk about it then. So so all of a sudden, you know, I thought today would be a good day just to work and do this interview. And, you know, but no, I mean, I don't know, I spent like at least five or six hours of today just speaking on the phone, you know, giving out interviews about about Eurovision. Well, you know what? It's it's it's a good problem to have. But I but I hear you could be overwhelming at the same time. Yeah, it's it's a good problem to have if you are prepared for that. Exactly. It's like you're taking a dump. I mean, you go to the fucking you go take a shit. And then then then once you come back in 10 minutes, you know, your phone is filled with calls, you know, what the hell happened? Well, who are all these people? What is who died? Right. And then then then you're like, oh, fuck. Well, I got the scoop on you today. So that's awesome. I appreciate it. Thank you so much for joining me. Hopefully I'll get a chance to meet up with you sometime in Helsinki or maybe I come up. I'm sure I'm sure we'll see again. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe I come up to visit Santa and and you and you're in your castle. I'm sure it's a castle. I just have that vision in my head. OK, just have that. OK, OK, so you just keep the vision in your head and never come visit. Mr. Mr. Lordy's lair, as it were. Hey, thank you so much. I appreciate it. And I will get this out in the next few days and I will tag you. I'll tag all your I'll put all all the band social media and the website and all that stuff on there. All the all that people in the bubbley internet. Whatever. Exactly. Awesome. Hey, thank you so much. I appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you. By the way, Tracy is coming over on Sunday evening here. Awesome. Yeah, he mentioned that. So cool. All right. Well, you guys have fun. Take a take a selfie for me and send it to me. Sure. We shall. All right. Awesome. Thank you. Have a great day, Mr. Lordy. Same to you. Same to you. Thanks for joining us. 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