UK's Righteous Anger, Karmelo Anthony's Parents' Lies, and Cheating in LA Mayor Race, with Laurence Fox and Mike Solana | Ep. 1337

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But we begin today with the attempted beheading in Belfast, Northern Ireland, and the aftershocks still underway. After news spread of the heinous attack, Tommy Robinson, posted on X quote, "'Politicians and legacy media have clearly learned nothing. Reverse the races and they'd be falling all over themselves to shout about this. Yet they are purposely downplaying and miswording white people are under attack. Some in the media and political world then demanding that Robinson and Elon Musk, for that matter, be held accountable and jailed, jailed for the protests that broke out. All because people were able to see with their own eyes the video that showed what happened during the attack. You see, but now it's the fault of the people who wanted you to see the video, not the fault of the man who's trying to behead another man in the video. Showing the video here, a man pinned down being straddled by another man with a knife who kept plunging it into him over and over and over. And of course we now know the man on top is a Sudanese immigrant who was granted asylum. We'll get to that in a minute. Witnesses can be heard on the tape saying, he's trying to cut his head off. The victim lost an eye, the other eye was severely damaged. He's reportedly likely going to be blind. And is currently fighting for his life. But take a look at this reporting from the Australian News Corporation. Quote, Elon Musk and far right activist Tommy Robinson have seized upon the alleged stabbing of a man in Belfast. Alleged? Alleged? Tommy Robinson, by the way, is a larger than life figure in the UK. He's got, I think, one Irish parent and one English parent and has been pushing for change, especially on issues like this, immigration in the UK for quite some time. He's a lightning rod because of it. And he has been unabashed in the wake of this news in calling out the open borders that have endangered citizens of the UK and beyond. We're also learning more today about the man accused of attempting to behead this victim, the victim named Stephen Ogilvy. The perpetrator was granted asylum, as I mentioned, after filling out a 10 page questionnaire. The Daily Mail reports, his name is 30 year old, 30 year old Hadid Aladid, Hadi Aladid, a Sudanese national who was given permission to stay in the UK in 2023 after completing the questionnaire, rather than undergoing a far more rigorous face to face interview process, as was typically required prior to Rishi Shunak, the previous prime minister, putting in place fast track asylum processes to clear the backlog. I think they'd rather have the backlog, the citizens that you were governing. The questions included, what is the name of the person or group of people or organization that you fear back home? Did these events take place in your country of origin or after you arrived in the UK? These are tough, this is tough stuff. Did this happen in one place in your country of origin or does your fear extend to all parts of the country? Duh, what kind of an idiot wouldn't know how to answer those in order to advance his asylum claim? We don't know how Aladid responded to these questions, but whatever his answers were, he was granted the right to stay and it's no wonder they didn't foresee that he was a lunatic who not only nearly beheaded a man, a citizen, but also then apparently when he got to the hospital, threatened to kill a radiologist because they never actually met with him before they gave him a five year permission to stay based on his asylum claims. No one actually interacted with him, they just read his paper statement. This is unbelievable, this is no way to screen for lunacy into your country and that's how we wound up here. Joining me now is Lawrence Fox, he's an actor, he's an activist. 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It's very interesting, isn't it, that instead of being upset about the person who tried to cut someone's head off, they're more upset about the fact that we've seen a video of the person that they tried to cut the head off. We've had the Irish First Minister today saying that it's terrible that we've seen the video. Europe is very much further down the road of this idea of multiculturalism, this disgusting idea of multiculturalism actually, which is that we can all coexist together in happy harmony, we can't. And we've witnessed with this attempted beheading, beheading, you know, it's a big thing in the West. We didn't talk about beheadings when I was a kid. It's the attempt of the heading of a man on the street, Steve Van Ogleby, by a Sudanese migrant who has absolutely, unrelentingly, the British people voted for this not to happen. And we're now being told that we have to be quiet for the sake of diversity. It's the rage that you will see in the British people, which is rising in a way which I've never witnessed before, is going to be displayed at this strange by-election that we're getting next week in a place called Mayfield in Britain. So you're going to see a very, very, very severely right-wing party do extremely well. It's an absolute appalling tragedy, especially after what happened to Henry Novak. You know, we're not allowed to be upset in our country. We're told that we're not allowed to be upset that someone is trying to cut someone's head off, who was never asked to be here in the first place. It's sort of, it's Gatsat levels of suicidal empathy. Yes, yes, our friend Gatsat wrote a book called that. That headline is just one example, but we could be here all day going through similar ones. This one was from the Australian Broadcasting Corporation that I mentioned in the intro. And it really does say so much. Okay, it's the summary of the article on the outlets website now, entitled Keyboard Warriors. Northern Ireland leader hits out at Musk and Robinson. Billionaire Elon Musk and far-right activist Tommy Robinson have seized upon the alleged stabbing of a man in Belfast by a Sudanese immigrant to push an anti-immigration agenda. Lawrence, this is such a massive, like we joke about this, right? Republicans pounce. We joke about this all the time over here. And here it is that these two is, I guess it's Elon's fault and Tommy Robinson's fault because they seized upon the alleged. And that's really the headline here on day two. Well, without Elon Musk, this story would not be in the national media. It wouldn't be in the international media. It wouldn't be anywhere without Elon Musk. So you can have your own views on Elon Musk, of which people do. But without Elon Musk, Henry Novak's murder and avoidable death, actually, I think, which will come to pass, we'll find out that it was an avoidable death because it was 60 minutes before the police call the ambulance arrived. We wouldn't know about any of this stuff. So these politicians, and I always pick up on this term, hour, when they talk about hour, they go, hour democracy, you get a lot in the US with Elon Omar and stuff like that. Hour democracy can only be protected in this way. It's like, no, hang on a minute. Two people have been needlessly massacred at the hands of diversity. And we're told that diversity is our greatest strength and all of this stuff, and it's not our greatest strength. And Britain, I suppose, is further along the road than America is. We are going to, you're going to see absolute uncontrollable, ungovernable rage from the people of our country, quite rightly so. Look at this, we're seeing it right now. The tape that we're rolling right now shows that these people in the streets are just irate. I was there. I was there at that thing. And also, it's not the best thing for Britain. I was right there at that as well. And what I find so sad is that these government employees, they work for us. They are our employees. We hire them to serve us. But it seems like the only thing that they want to serve is somebody else, is the sacred immigrant. Which is a really strange idea in a country, especially in Britain. America, obviously, is a country built on immigration, but the UK is not a country built on immigration. So to be forced to, and usually the two tier justice system in the United Kingdom, to be forced to worship at the altar of diversity is insane. You're getting to the point where your average British person would rather be called a racist and protect their family than they would put up with this rubbish. Mm-hmm. And you're suffering from the same woke-minded liberal politician policies that we are. Where I was looking at the numbers. The Rishi Shunak promised when he was Prime Minister to clear a backlog of 92,000 asylum cases, 92,000. It was privately described within the home office as the quote, grant factory. And referenced to the huge numbers of asylum seekers. Granted refugee status. It was dubbed by critics, dangerous folly, asylum amnesty in all but name. And yet he did it and he was proud of it. And they reduced the screening process to just 10 pages of paper with asinine questions like, describe the group that you're afraid of in your home country. Did it apply to the whole country or just parts of the country? And then you got your permission slip to stay in which this guy was sicked on the UK people for five years and there are tens of thousands, there are hundreds of thousands just like him. So where's the accountability for Rishi Shunak? All I saw in the paper yesterday, Lawrence, was the most fervent anti-immigration group saying, we're gonna stop Sudanese asylum claims for now. Like that doesn't even begin to cover it. If you come from where I live, I live in a place where a lot of Polish people came to Britain and offered their great and wonderful skills to the United Kingdom. Those people were complained about in the United Kingdom. So they changed the policy and they brought in people from other parts of the world, Sudan and all this sort of stuff. And it ended up in a position where we're going, absolutely not a single person wants this guy here trying to behead someone. That's absolutely awful. And we have to get to a place where we go, this is completely, completely wrong. And I listened to your introduction and I thought it sort of like made me giggle because I was like, you're trying to pronounce all these British names and it's Rishi Shunak and it's this and it's that. These people are not, these are first, second and third generation immigrants that are taking over the policies of the country. And the country is Britain, which is, the Magna Carta was signed in 1215, I think, which gave us our basic fundamental common law rights in the United Kingdom. And it all things being turned on its head in moments. We're heading for, I would say, we're probably heading for civil war. I can't see another way. I think there'll be, I think we're looking at, someone said today I was watching today and I was listening to you that we've become ungovernable because the judicial system won't do it. You and I have spoken before about what the persecution I am under, they're trying to put me in prison for many years and Tommy, who is trying to get online at the moment, they're trying to lock up the people that were just pointed out. Tommy, for example, who they call a far right person, is actually an ultra libertarian. He's not right-wing in any way at all. Like you couldn't even, he's- I don't even know what the term fry right means anymore. I have no idea. Far too right is what it means. That's all of us in their view. Any amount of right is far too. Yeah, and we're just, we're going to see, these are people, these are ordinary people. I go and spend time with these people all the time. They are ordinary people and they would rather be called a racist and protect their children from being murdered than they would be called a racist. And that's an awful thing because Western society revolves and it circulates around this idea that certain smears and slants are important. Like, Caledys was always very important back in the day and racism was important. But now these words mean nothing. They mean absolutely nothing. Nothing. At all. And you have it in America and we've seen with the awful trial of Kamala Ankli. It's like, oh my goodness. You sit there and you go, this is what happens when you entitle people. It's a very negative thing to do is to entitle someone. My wife is not white, for example. I would never turn around to my wife and say, right, well, you know, you're a victim and therefore you're entitled to be upset if you get put in jail because you stabbed someone. It's insane. These policies are insane. They're insane. And what will happen is there will be a correction. We will correct it and it will be horrible to correct it. And I'm very sad about it actually. Yeah, if the government won't, the people will. That's what we're seeing. The people have gone along for years now. I mean, I was on Fox News in the mid-2010s. It was around 2015, right? When Angela Merkel was letting them in by the million into Germany, you know, refugees from Syria and elsewhere and changing the face of Europe. The UK was almost as guilty. Like this has been going on now for more than a decade, just open borders. And we are seeing the effects. You talk about Elon Musk and his role in calling attention to some of this. Let's not forget what he did on the rape scandal that happened in the UK with, you know, Muslim men who were raping young white girls and there was no accountability for far too long because of the races. Because they were sensitive to pointing the finger at a bunch of brown skinned men who were Muslim who happened to be raping young white girls. I mean, that sounds made up. That sounds like something some lunatic would accuse the government of doing. But it was real, Lawrence. And then just on the heels of this, in the paper right now is a story about three or four men who raped a young white teenage girl in the UK. They had her in a hotel room for a day. They drugged her. Then there were three young children who were stabbed viciously outside of their school by another guy. It's like the crimes are so dastardly you can hardly believe it. And yet over and over, it seems to me that the UK government has either ignored it or wanted to shove it under the rug or at a minimum will not talk about the bigger picture. What's happening to the culture here? Well, there's something about the fact that every, you know, there's something wonderful in the biblical aspect of every single human life is sacred and that we're all really, really important, all of us, black, white, and all the other colors in between. And that used to be a paradigm that we took as a progressive, genuinely progressive Western civilization. We would think that, you know, you are amazing and you're wonderful and I hope you succeed. But this woke racism of turning around to black people specifically and certainly what we call ethnic minorities in the UK or migrant populations or whatever we call them is to say that in some way you are less than the person that you are trying to, we want you to replace. It's insane. We have to live in a world and I'm afraid it has to be a Christian-centric world where we say that every single one of your lives is sacred. You can achieve well beyond the barriers of your class and your financial situations. That's actually where the inequality really lies in life. It's not about skin color. So you find entitlement. What happens is you create entitlement. So, I mean, I can't begin to guess what the government are going to tell us that this Sudanese lunatic savage did. But they will blame it on mental health. That's what they will do. But if a white person did it, they would blame it on political extremism. So we're left in this world where white people have absolutely no defense to poor behavior in their own community. But if someone of any different ethnicity or color can turn around and say, well, I'm a victim, I'm the oppressed. And it's just a global communist hellhole. And I don't really understand, other than in Britain, I can't see any way out of it, other than extreme civil disobedience because white people in this country are treated like second-class citizens. And the people who pay the taxes in this country are the white people. With all due respect to everyone who's not white, you pay taxes in Great Britain. It is the indigenous white population of Britain that pays the taxes, that pays for the hotels of the man who are good friend Mr. Al-Adeed, who sounds like a cast member from Sacha Baron Cohen filmed the dictator. We are paying to be destroyed. And I just find it insane. I just find it very, very sad. No, I mean, here in America, we, who's paying for all those Somalians in Minnesota to sit around and commit fraud? We are. We're paying for their, we're subsidizing their housing, their healthcare, as they built the system for millions and millions of dollars on fake daycares that they claim they've set up and so on. We're seeing a very similar dynamic here. Can I ask you a question? Can I ask you a question? What role do you think feminism has to play in this? Oh, it's big. It's big. It is suicidal empathy. I mean, I think feminists find their own empowerment in somehow, in part, allowing themselves to be taken advantage of, allowing themselves to sort of lay down at the altar of some of these woke gods without a care for who will be affected. You know, even if it's another woman, even if it's like a young girl who is on her way up and is gonna be the next wave of feminists, like you can understand the radical feminists, not really giving two shits about men, but like they don't care who the victims are. It's about themselves making themselves feel good. They're good people. They're standing for the right things, which includes against men and their toxicity. And that means we have to have open borders. We have to welcome the less than and that makes us somehow better people. I mean, it's about small egos that need to feed. So I think, yeah, they definitely have dirty hands in this. It's very interesting, because there's been lots of polling done in the UK as people, because we're trying to dig into this and find out what's actually going on, why are people behaving this entirely irrational upside down type of way? And there's been a lot of polling of what would happen if only women were allowed to vote, if only women were allowed to vote. And the women would vote in these insane green party people in the UK who on the one hand believe that queers for Palestine and on the other hand believe that we need to integrate lots of Muslim people into the UK. So you're sort of left with this strange dichotomy, which is to include everyone, which I think is quite a feminine trait to be fair. But I do wonder whether, looking back over the history of Great Britain, back to 1200 in the Magna Carta, why they insisted on passing down the legacy and the inheritance to the male world? Because we would have, if women were only allowed to vote, and you know, it's kingdom, we would have lunatics in charge of this country. Well, and it's not just women though, it's also feminized men. Yeah, cucked men, 100%. They're the worst, they're much worse than women. Yeah. Right? I mean, like a Rishi shoot, Sunak, frankly. I mean, they're everywhere, and they tend to get elected over here on the Democrat ticket. It's one of the reasons people recoil now when they see some of the offerings coming off of that ticket. I think we're starting to get it. I mean, we've had big, bold leadership over here in the form of Donald Trump, who is a walking middle finger. He's not perfect, but he's a huge start for us in winning this war. That guy, on the Sunak numbers that I was offering earlier, so they have, as I said, tens of thousands of claims that he said he would make sure got cleared, 92,000. 95% of Sudanese asylum claims were granted, 95%. And no wonder, because here's what Sunak said in 2022. He acknowledged claims need to be processed, quote, in days or weeks, not months or years, and pledged to radically re-engineer asylum processing, quote, with shorter guidance, fewer interviews, less paperwork, and introducing specialist caseworkers by nationality. By implementing these changes, the government apparently expects to abolish the backlog of initial asylum decisions by the end of 2023. What was wrong with having a backlog? Who cares? So they have to wait. The backlog, here's an interesting one for you. So the new emerging supposedly right-wing party, but it's not, it's a replacement for the Labour Party, the trade union-driven Labour Party, which is called Reform, led by Nigel Farage, who is very famous, obviously. This, the people that are in his cabinet, Shadow Cabinet, or whatever, his cabinet in exile, are, these are the people that let these people in. So in England, we have this strange conundrum whereby the insurgent political party is run by an establishment stewed as well, who has been proven to have been paid lots of money to implement things that the establishment want to have done. And then what we have is this new political party run by a guy called Rupert Lowe, who I would thoroughly encourage all of your followers to, anyone who watches the show to follow, because he does not take any SH1T from anybody. That Britain is in need of this incredible common sense, deep love of our very severe cultural heritage and very deep and meaningful cultural heritage. But Nigel Farage has decided to pop back into politics to create, actually, really, to take revenge and become powerful. But we have this other party, and it's a brilliant political party called Restore Britain. And Rupert Lowe is coming in to say, I'm going to deport all of these people, they're gone. And I'm going to get rid of DEI. He's Trump. He's basically the British Trump. And Elon has been very, very solid with him. And Elon, actually, to be fair to Elon, Elon called out Farage a couple of years ago, I think, or maybe a year ago. He turned around and went, Farage is not the answer. And Elon is right. And the British government said, I'm going to go, we've got to shut up Elon. We've got to shut up Elon. It's like, well, why do you have to shut up Elon? Why don't you just stop the guy getting bedded in the street? That would be a start, seeing as we pay the taxes for your police forces. Listen, we played this woman yesterday. She's quite a beaut, this Kathy Newman of Sky News. And here's what she had to say about Elon here in Sot 5. What we're seeing here is, is quite frankly, Elon Musk deliberately working with the far right to stir up an incitement to violence. And we should be taking real action. And he's a trillionaire, so I don't think the government's going to go after him that aggressively after all. But he's not in this country either. They should. They should put Elon Musk in jail. They should put Elon Musk in jail. I mean, come on. Also, Kathy Newman was a woman that Jordan Peterson put down in one thing. He went, he was talking about, does my right to offend Trump, your right to be offended? You know, with Kathy Newman, and it was what made Jordan Peterson famous. Oh, I've forgotten that she was involved in that. That was her. So she, the fact that this woman still, not that it's a woman, but the fact that this person still has a, has any public platform at all is insane. So what the British media are trying to do is to turn around and say, this is why you're great, right? I listen to your show every night. I listen to you. I listen to others. But the reason why we listen to you, and actually you got me into trouble, because because I listened to you, I say things out loud that I probably shouldn't have done long. Look. I'll let you see me. But- It's a badge of honour. You know, this thing of going like, we're going to listen to you, Kathy Newman, about anything, like put him in jail. What does that mean? Challenge his idea. Please. Yes, exactly. Interrogate it. Challenge what you think is so wrong with free speech. Express to me in a way which I can understand why it's important to suppress every normal human being's right to express themselves freely. And if someone can explain that to me, then I will, I'll listen. But so far, all I hear is the words, our democracy, our freedoms. And it's like, they're not ours, they're yours. And we're going to take them back. And you're about to see it in Britain. And it's going to be massive unrest. That's what's going to happen. We've been quiet for long enough. That's how I don't, we haven't had quite the uprising on immigration that you guys are having right now. We elected Trump and Trump closed the border. Thank God. And that's a huge start. But I do think we had that uprising on the race essentialism and the trans thing, you know, that we did get to the point where it was hard no. And I don't think the UK's gotten there yet. I think you guys are hitting the immigration thing a little before we are. We're just, you're at the end of your rope. We kind of got there with some terrible, brutal crimes that we saw with Lake and Riley and so on. But we haven't seen people rush to the streets over immigration the way we're seeing right now and the anger after Henry Novak. Like that, I do think that's important. And it's the reason why it's not just this lunatic, who we talked about, Kathy Newman, but the, here's the minister of Northern Ireland, Michelle O'Neill. She's also got ideas about who's to blame and what could have prevented all of this. I speak not of the beheading. She doesn't seem so worried about preventing that. I speak of the protests and the outcries. Listen to this, that's seven. Monday night was horrific. And so many people saw that image. I wish people didn't see that image, but unfortunately, many people did. What? But it was absolutely horrific. But there are bad actors that are jumping on this. And actually using it to stir up hate and tension. And people who don't even know who we are, we're not a racist people here. People who don't even know where we are on a map. But yet, not all we see the likes of the Elon Musk's this world, where we see the Tommy Robbins this world. The keyboard warriors who are sitting very comfy in their homes orchestrating hate and tension and bringing this onto our streets and encouraging this onto our streets. So I don't think, I think people need to be alert to that. Who's behind this? Like these protests that have been organized, if they're that smart about their protests, why can't they put their face to it? Because they can't, because these protests have been organized by faceless thugs, in my opinion. All Elon did was call for people to protest. That's it, which is a right. And did you hear? She wishes people hadn't seen the video. That's the problem, Lawrence. They saw the attempted beheading. It's so pesky, this actual proof of which we speak. No one wants to see the beheading. We want to talk about why the beheading is a good thing. And why integration and diversity is so wonderful. But I mean, anyone who's had any level of education in this country or any Western country, their belief is that the only diversity we're interested in at all is of opinion. So it's okay to turn around. It's also ironic that the minister is flanked by what looked like babysitters. And she's sitting there saying, it's just awful. But the worst part of it is she's speaking out of the most sectarianly violent country that has ever existed really. I mean, it's Britain's Rwanda, Northern Ireland, the way that these people have murdered and killed each other just because one is Catholic and one is Protestant. So for them to suddenly develop a conscience is absolutely reprehensible. And the problem is that they don't realize that people are not consuming legacy media anymore. They're consuming you. They're consuming Dan Wharton. They're not consuming regulated government media, which is why the British government are trying to add new statutes onto the online... I mean, it does make you want to laugh. It's like, you know, to stop people accessing the truth. We have, in the United Kingdom, we have a Labour government which is turning around and saying, we're going to ban children from any form of media which isn't state-proved until they're 16, and then we're going to give them the vote. I mean, Chairman Mao would be excited about this. He'd be like, great plan, chaps. We are living in a dystopian hole hole in the United Kingdom. And what I love about my fellow countrymen and I love about Tommy, Tech Tommy, who's useless and getting on a Zoom. What I love about... We'll get him at some point. What I love about Tommy is Tommy is a mainstream person, right? And Elon made him mainstream. Elon said, listen to Tommy, he's got a voice, and if you decide that he's a thug and a racist, then you make your own mind off about it. But don't let the government tell you he's a thug and a racist because the government are not to be trusted. And it's why Trump, in his hyperbolic trumps brilliance, is the fact that he doesn't play by the rules. He doesn't play by the, well, I'm going to be very sober and judicious in this and that and this. And Tommy is that. And I genuinely pray that Tommy gets a mission behind him to go, I could lead these people. I could, people will follow me because we would. We absolutely would. He's the Robin Hood of our generation. Trump would be out there right now if this happened in America, calling this guy an animal. I mean, he would not be holding back. He, far from chastising anybody about their severe reaction to watching an attempted beheading of one of their countrymen, he would be joining them in expressing the horror. And that's what these politicians don't get. They don't even give lip service. They can't. They'll say like, oh, it was terrible, but the reaction is too much. And Elon and Tommy are to blame for it. And that's what's really, they don't get it. Unless they feel it the way you feel it, the way Tommy Robinson feels it, the way even I feel it over here, they can't sell it. And the public knows they don't give a shit. They'll, if given the chance, they would give another 92,000 from Sudan asylum tomorrow. We know it. The only answer is to oust these people and to rouse the hearts and minds who feel the same way into getting out on the streets and saying, no more. That's it. This poor guy who almost lost his head was a special needs guy. He already, it comes out, was attacked brutally back in 2002 by a drug dealer that was a roommate of his who set him on fire. This poor guy's been through a lot, living in assisted housing now for people who are special needs. And he gets targeted by this low life. We got enough low lives in our country. You got enough in your country. You don't need to fucking incorporate the ones from Sudan to unleash hell on our citizens. That's what I can't stand. They're like, oh, you know, Americans commit crimes. Yes, but we have to deal with them. We don't have to deal with Sudanese. You shouldn't have to either. What happened to believing in ourselves, you know, to saying the West, we bought the canon of common law across the world. We stopped Sati. We stopped, we bought free speech to the world. We ended slavery. We did all this stuff. It still exists today, by the way. What is going on and what is actually going on is in education and trends, which you've had an epiphany on, which is great. You know, they start focusing on things that just don't matter at all. And what they do is a constant unending demoralization of our society and our people. And when I say our people, I don't mean white people. I mean, people that adhere to the British value system, the civic nationalist people of the West of any color. They have demoralized us so much that you can be racist white people to the point where a man who has stabbed someone in the heart, his parents can feel aggrieved and his mother can feel aggrieved to turn around and say, you kind of deserved it. I mean, what on earth does that lead to? That's what I want to know. What does it lead to? What positive does that lead to? This is a good question. And that same dynamic is underlying all the cases that we are discussing, the Henry Novak murder, attempted beheading of this white man by a black man from Sudan and then the Carmelo Anthony case. Because what we know in all of those cases, in all three of those cases, is that if the races were reversed, there would be no chastising of the protests that followed in the streets. There'd be no tisking about those who thought protest was appropriate and felt really, really angry that this goes on, none whatsoever. In fact, Kier Stammer took a knee after George Floyd and made it a huge deal. George Floyd, he's not even British. That wasn't even a UK case. So we know that they'd be acting differently and it truly gets back to, honestly, do white lives matter? Do they matter at all? No, they don't. And until white people, which is so sad about identity politics as well, because no one wants to play identity politics, I think Martin Luther King was right to say it's content to character, not color of skin. But identity politics, to assume that just because you happen to have one color of skin ahead of another makes you not a wonderful person, I think this is a stupid idea. But at the same time, once you start playing it, when Kier Stammer gets down on his knee for a convicted armed, robbing, fentanyl-allicked man who's stuck a son of shotgun into a pregnant lady's stomach, that we have to get on the knee for him, but you won't get on the knee for the person who actually paid taxes for you to protect them. Where does that lead? And also, more broadly, this is a really harrowing thought, and I don't like it at all, but it's true. If you think about the way the Western canon is spoken about these days, the damage, the horribleness of the British Empire and white people in America, and what white people did to America and Britain and all this sort of stuff, essentially you're talking about 7% of the global population would be identified as white. What's in result of that? Revenge. So I think that your average working-class white person in certainly in the UK is certainly think, they're going to take revenge on me for something I didn't do wrong. So at that point, you're looking at something truly, truly tragic, and you see it, it's perfectly exemplified in the way that they say, I wish you hadn't seen the video of the person trying to chop his head off. Yes. Actually, what they should be saying, what any sensible person would be saying was, this is horrendous, and we are going to deal with this. So come up with a policy to say, right, okay, even if it's not what they would call a racist or far-right policy, say anyone who is being granted indefinitely to remain in the United Kingdom for no reason whatsoever are filling in a questionnaire, perhaps we should remove them and return them to where they are. We have 40,000 Islamic extremists on the British terror watch list, and one of those people is going to do the same thing to someone else, very soon. And I mean, I really hope I'm wrong, but pardon me, it just feels like we've been goaded into, we've been goaded into allowing the government to impose yet further awful restrictions on the nature of how we can express ourselves freely via speech, and then if we can't express ourselves via speech via other methods, then it's just appalling, and it's inevitable. In the same way as Tommy, so Nigel Farage, who leads this Ponzi scheme, political party, the reform party in the United Kingdom, he wouldn't have anything to do with Tommy Robinson. Tommy Robinson was talking about what Nigel Farage's main policy platform issues are 20 years ago as a teenager with no education from Luther. And people need to know in America that these people are, this establishment is not, the British establishment is not coming to save you. Tommy Robinson is the person who actually has the ear of the people in this country, and I'm very proud to put my support behind him, even though it's in Congress, because he's a working class lad from Luton, and I'm a posh bloke from posh land, you know? But it's, we're in dire, dire trouble, Nigel. Tommy gets it, Tommy's been channeling the rage appropriately after Henry, and now in this, I mean, you hear him, and you know he gets it, we actually pulled the sound bite of him, leading that protest you said you were at after Henry Novak was murdered, and here's a little bit from that protest. This is a week ago, it's amazing, this just happened. You know, the trial of Henry, it's been going on, it wrapped up what, a week, two weeks ago, here it is, that one. We know every one of you is watching this, though, if Henry wasn't white, he wouldn't have been handcuffed. So although I heard someone say this isn't about race, this is about race. He was murdered because he was white, he was handcuffed. Do you know the murderer? He didn't get handcuffed, even after they found out he'd stabbed him five times, he still didn't get fucking handcuffed. He's helped him. He still wasn't handcuffed. He wasn't handcuffed, he wasn't handcuffed in the police car, he wasn't handcuffed in the police station, they took him in the police station to choose what bloody meal he wanted. Exactly. That's what they done. That is the executive treatment given to non-whites. The white boy who'd done nothing was handcuffed, the murderer in position of a knife, who stabbed someone five times, wasn't even handcuffed. He's there for the entire world to see. Not one word is untrue. Everything he said is exactly right, and on the heels of that, we now see this in Northern Ireland. I don't, it's a powder keg over there at Lawrence. I don't know how much more the British people are gonna take. What's he talking about, Tommy? He's talking about fairness. Literally, that's all he's talking about, and it makes me emotional this. It's like he's asking for fairness. That's it. Nothing else, none of the woke racism, none of this. He's asking for fairness, and the response of the establishment, the media has turned around the corner, the race is far right extremist. It's like, my goodness, do you know the level of anger that's coming your way? They don't know. They have no understanding these people of what is coming their way. They have no understanding. To the point where I have stood and sat and spoken with and been around normal average families who have come and said, I will die for this. It's, that's where we're at. And the establishment will just sit and go, we'll impose harsher Romanese. We had a case in Britain two weeks ago where three Gypsy boys, and they're protected because of their Roman ancestry. They're protected, and they raped, three of them raped a young child. And the judge decided that the victim of the rape, they were too young to really understand the consequences of what they did. So he sped them a jail sentence, right? But someone who threw a bin, like a trashcan, at a police officer is now in jail for 24 months in the United Kingdom. Do the United Kingdom, does the United Kingdom government understand what is going to happen if they continue to do that? They don't understand. They're going to get decimated. And Britain has a proud history of revolution, actually. Not in the French way, like revolution over an idea, but revolution over something that really, really matters. And I think we're heading there. I really do. I see it as an inevitable consequences of the government actions that have been taken. That's what I see. I can't see any other way. There's one more of Tommy and Elon at a rally in London. This is last September, right after Charlie was killed. Satu. Congratulations. Elon's there. Congratulations, Tommy, on the putting together an amazing event. And really rallying with people in Britain. Elon, none of this could have happened without you giving the British public access to the truth and giving us free speech and fighting for our free speech. So on behalf of Great Britain and the British public, we're incredibly grateful, Elon. Elon, you spent an incredible lot of money on X. Why is free speech so important to you? Well, I believe you can't get to the truth of things without freedom of speech, without active debate. And there's so many on the left that want to just crush debate. In fact, this is a government against the people and not for the people. And then you see how much violence there's on the left, with our friend Charlie Kirk getting murdered in cold blood this week, and people on the left celebrating it openly. The left is the party of murder and celebrating murder. Amen. Amen. Amen. Powerful. He's right. He's right. I mean, and that's why. But that's why they say Elon is a Nazi, that he's fake salute. That's why they say Tommy Robinson is too, you can't have him in polite conversation because they'll say these things. I mean, it's why you get fired from GB News, and we talked about that at length when you happened, for making a, what, okay, fine, an off-color joke about a woman who was dismissing the concerns of suicidal males in the UK. She's allowed to say that, you're not allowed to call her out on it. The guy on the street, he can do the beheading, we're not allowed to show it or condemn it or protest over it. These are the rules of polite society, or you get the far whatever label, or you get bounced out of Oxford from having a real debate, which I know you have an update on, but that's what's causing the anger. We're allowed to be angry over this stuff, we're allowed to protest and argue and call out our governments. What is Elon saying? He's saying, again, it makes me emotional, Elon is saying, I defend the right to free speech for people I don't agree with. He's not defending the right to free speech for people he does agree with, because free speech doesn't matter that way. In the same way as Tommy is not, people get very upset in England with Tommy for not being racist enough, so they just sit and call him a racist. But these are fundamentals to a, to, I'd say secular liberal democracy, which is possibly where we're at, but in the West, we're probably more driven by biblical values. You have to kind of have a benchmark where you can go, I defend your right to disagree with me, because if I don't defend your right to disagree with me, then you're going to attack me. It's so simple. It's not even complicated. So it becomes a kind of luxury belief delusion world that we live in, and it's so unhealthy. And I have a child, I have two children, and I have two stepchildren, and those kids, I tell you, you will not meet more radicalized people on earth. These guys, that next generation that's coming through, they don't put up with it anymore, they are done with it. To the point where they, you know, the next generation will be a golden one, because we need one. But. Yeah, I agree. I feel so hopeful whenever I talk to young people, because they have, they've had it. Can you tell the audience, I told the audience that you and Tommy had been canceled from speaking at Oxford. There was a Palestinian Muslim woman who proposed the debate, wanted the debate. You guys said, sure, let's have the debate about basically whether Islam is consistent with Western democracies. And so the Muslim woman wanted to have it. She believed it's fine. You guys have a different opinion. And Oxford shut it down. Then we told everybody, we were gonna host it for you over here. And I understand Oxford has since had a change of heart, Lawrence. I just want to do a huge shout out to Awa, who is the president of the Oxford Union, who is a Palestinian Muslim woman. And I admire her so, so much. She wants to have the big debates. And one of the debates that she put forward was, is the West right to be suspicious of Islam? And I thought, yeah, that's a good debate. I'll take part in that. And she, they tried to cancel her. They tried to destroy her. This is the diversity is our strength person, right? You know, she's a Palestinian Muslim woman. I just agree with her about a lot, I imagine. But we have this human connection, which is so important with everybody you disagree with, which is to go, I don't care what you think. I care about you. And I want you to express it. And she's an incredible, wonderful, wonderful woman. And this debate is apparently taking place. I fully expect them to cancel it next on, I can't even say the date, because that's how mad it is. But it- They announced it, they said it's Tuesday. I go, right, okay, it is on Tuesday. Yeah, so the debate is on Tuesday, and we're gonna go and I'm gonna go and be charming about Islam and free speech. And that's what I wanna do. I don't wanna go and say I hate Muslims. I don't, I love Muslims. I hate Islam, and I will always hate Islam, because I understand Islam and I know what it is. And I don't want it in the same way as I hate national socialism. I don't like it. But I don't hate individual Muslims. And it's very difficult for people to understand the difference between that, unless they read a Bible. Well, I think it's gonna be a very powerful exchange. I'm looking forward to it. If they do cancel on you, we're here, we've got you. Lawrence, it's a pleasure. It's so good to see you. Thank you so much for standing up for what you believe in. Lawrence Fox, everybody. Lots of love to you. Love to you, Megan. Coming up next hour, Mike Solana is here, looking forward to talking to him. Missed calls and slow follow-ups are silent killers. 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Mike Solana's coming up, but I wanna start with the latest on the fallout from the Carmelo Anthony trial as Austin Metcalf, the victim's father, is speaking out in a new exclusive interview with journalist Sarah Fields, who was a guest on our show yesterday. Not only that, but Carmelo Anthony, the defendant who's been found guilty of Austin's murder and sentenced to 35 years in prison, his parents are speaking out too. Playing the victims, it's unbelievable. The bullshit that is coming out of the Carmelo Anthony supporters team is rank. I honestly can't believe my eyes. Like, they're acting like they're the victims. They're acting like Carmelo Anthony was stabbed by Austin Metcalf who got off. That's exactly how they're acting. That's not what Carmelo Anthony stabbed Austin Metcalf taking this 17 year old's life in an instant over nothing. He went into Austin's track and field tent during a track meet. They told him to leave because he wasn't part of their school. Each school had their own tent, though Anthony Carmelo Anthony's school apparently didn't have a tent for some reason. But that's not why he was there. It did begin to rain, but he was there intentionally provoking people. He obviously went into that tent looking for a fight because he went armed with a knife that was not a little Swiss army knife, like Jasmine Crockett and her ridiculous crowd of woke warriors were suggesting in their Zoom call the other day. And he then dared Austin to lay hands on him to make him leave the tent. Austin did lay hands on him in a way that was not violent in any way, barely moved him at all. And as soon as he touched Carmelo Anthony, Anthony plunged that knife into Austin's heart, killing him. That's what happened. The jury saw autopsy photos that were so gruesome, they were recoiled in horror. Their jaws dropped, that showed a two and a half inch gaping wound where his heart was, he stabbed him so severely and deeply, forgive me, but it went through the heart, testified the medical examiner and punctured the bone. Behind, like he, this wasn't an accident. He didn't accidentally hit the heart instead of something else. He didn't nick him. He plunged that knife deep into Austin's heart and it is obvious meant to kill him. No, no one's that much of an idiot walking around that they wouldn't understand that would cause instant death. And now his family and their supporters are playing the victim and the race card. As if there's some doubt in this, we know he did it. We know he did it. And can I tell you, it's not just like, I'm gonna show you the sound bite of some lunatic guy who's run for city council out there four times, never getting more than 6% of the vote. His name is Davante Peters. You're an idiot. It's also people like Jasmine Crockett, who, I mean, we all have strong feelings about her. I'm sorry that I keep saying she's representing Houston. She's representing the Dallas area. All my Houstonian fans are like, for the love of God, please stop doing that, MK. I apologize. I don't know why I have such a mental block on it. She's from Houston. That's why she was like born there or when she was young, she was there. In any event, she doesn't represent Houston. And she's not gonna represent Dallas long either. She's been redistricted out of her seat. She ran for Senate. She failed. And so now she's trying to make it, I guess as a social media commentator. I'm not sure what the fuck she's doing. Sorry, forgive me. She is just vile, but she's not a complete idiot. She went to law school. She went to a very Tony private school before law school, something much better and nice and more expensive and fancy than probably what you or I went to, for sure what I went to. Then she decided to get all street. You know, we've walked you through it. The Benny Johnson tape is amazing. But she's not a dope. She was a practicing lawyer. So she's got some legal education too. This woman is out there trying to pretend, like I said, that it was like a Swiss Army knife. Wait, have you seen a Swiss Army knife? It doesn't have a real knife to it. It's almost like a nail clipper. That's not, we just put the knife on the board that Carmelo Anthony used. It's a dagger. It's a dag, you could gut a fish or a human with this in seconds. And that's what Carmelo Anthony did for nothing. Here, I wanna play, I'll guess, I'll kick it off with her, but I gotta get to the parents. But I'm since I'm on Jasmine Crockett 25B. Listen to her. If a 300 pound man is beating me, like on top of me and beating me down, I'm not limited to fist. You know, I would argue that even the only time we go into things like people's hands being considered deadly weapons, it's typically like if they're a professional boxer or that kind of stuff. But I think by the time you start getting to like football player, good argument, good freaking argument. We're not talking about like the golfers. We're talking about football players, right? Like this is what they are trained to do is to inflict like serious physical contact. And it's my understanding that the deceit was. They weren't 300 pounds. Austin wasn't 300 pounds. Devonte was a large man. He wasn't some shrinking violet. And he provoked the entire encounter. How dare she try to analogize this? Carmelo, sorry, Devonte's, I'm gonna get to him in a second. Carmelo, how dare she try to pretend that this is a situation in which a man was beating a woman, a huge football player was beating a woman who felt no choice was available, but to defend herself with a knife. This is like utter nonsense, what she's saying. And she's intentionally stoking the fires, which don't need any more stoking, Jasmine. Leave the national stage. We're tired of your two minutes and your stupid street affect. You don't talk like that. Even here, she was playing it up. She doesn't talk like this. She's just leaning in cause she thinks it's gonna give her cred. It's gonna give her some sort of cred with some faction who's out there listening. Okay, great. Good luck reinventing yourself. You have no career in front of you. Go back to practicing law maybe. Seems like they need some lawyers down in your hometown. Here's this guy, Devonte Peters, who I mentioned, never received over 6% of the vote, but amazingly did get some percentage at the four times he ran for city council in Dallas. This is vile. This guy, of course, has a holistic health store that he runs in his spare time cause he's all about wellness and like bringing the mind, body together. Sure, sure, Devonte. Okay, I will read it for you as soon as I get it in front of me. This guy is sick. He's basically, it's almost too vile to repeat, but I will because I teed it up. He is calling for Austin Metcalf to be dug up and he wants him to be stabbed again. That's what this guy actually said. He left the courthouse and posted on social media, just left and any white person can get it. I don't give a fuck. Then he goes on to say, fuck it, dig Austin Metcalf up and stab his ass again. Where is your soul? Like what's wrong with him? Seriously, like, and it's not just him. Okay, the parents of Carmelo Anthony go on their own little media tour last night. Was their message, we're so sorry for the Metcalf family. This is a tragedy all around because of course, we're sad that we've lost our son too, but we know what he did was wrong. You know, he's sorry. No, no, they had a very, very different message. Take a listen here. They get sat down with front page news and Mimi Brown sat 27. So do you believe your son received a fair trial? Absolutely not. Absolutely not. Absolutely not. And we're gonna keep fighting. We're gonna stop fighting for justice for my son. And as parents, have you all struggled with guilt, you know, asking yourselves, is there anything differently? I know, Kayla, you said you wish you had gone to that track meet. Is there anything that you both wish you could have done differently? I wish I would have just been rebellious. I was told, don't talk to this person. Don't talk to this person. I feel like it was just a setup. Now, so they told us, go get white attorneys. Every black person I went to, white attorney. No, white attorney said I'm gonna push them. Hey, here you go. I mean, no objections. It was things to move so that cause I, as a father, of me being who I am, I gotta make sure she straight. This mama, I gotta make sure she straight mentally because if she's not straight, my house ain't straight. I'm not straight. Then it's like, the kids are the kids to worry about. Okay. Now, so what he's upset about is that he wasn't more rebellious when friends of his told him to get a white attorney. He's mad. He's mad. They didn't play the race card. That's what he's mad about. I said it yesterday. I stand by it. This guy's a race hustler. He's a race hustler. He would not have hired the Dominique Alexander character who's been pushing the race buttons from the beginning on this case if he weren't. And the mother, we are gonna fight for justice for my son. What do you say? Justice was administered against your son as the perpetrator of this crime. Who do you think you're fooling? The outrage of this. They're turning the entire narrative on its head. You're the defendants. Austin is the victim, not the other way around. What the hell is this? This is, can you imagine? Imagine for one second if a white teenager, if Austin Metcalf had plunged that knife for no reason into the heart of Carmelo Anthony and then was found guilty of murder appropriately. Imagine the backlash to white parents coming out there saying, I will fight for justice for my son. We were told that we should get black lawyers. And I wish we'd been more rebellious. And then all these white people coming out and being like, that boy should be dug up and we should stick a knife in him again. What, can you imagine the societal backlash to that messaging? And the number of papers it would be in, we'd have deep examinations and how wrong we've gone as a society. What school did he go to? Who taught him this nonsense? Who are the family spokespeople? These are all white supremacists. That's what we'd be hearing. Nothing, nothing is being said about this family. Oh, politely looking the other way. Let's just ignore, ignore. Which is also soft bigotry of low expectations. Oh, they're too like what, low life, they're too stupid. We have to ignore their blatant racism. Bullshit, bullshit. They should be held the same standard as the rest of us. And what they're saying and doing is vile and disgusting and racist. This is so gross. This family's had enough to deal with, the Metcalfs. They're the victims. They're the only victims. You're not victims. You raised a boy who has zero empathy and apparently is a sociopath. You have yourselves to blame for that. Yourselves, not society, not whites, not your friends who told you to get a white lawyer. They were so, without character, they abandoned their son when the sentencing came down. They were like, guilty, we're out. They didn't stand there in the court. They didn't return to the courtroom when the sentencing came down. The mother took the stand. She said, boo-hoo, please have mercy on my boy. And then they asked the one question, does he regret what he did? Yeah, he regrets. That's it, that's all she was able to come up with. Not even like a story about how he regrets, the number of tears he shed, what he's said about Austin and how bad he feels. Nothing, nothing, the perfunctory. Yeah, regrets, check. And then she was out of there. He had to stand alone for the actual sentencing that came down. That's who they are. As they've been pimping the race thing, from the beginning there's zero evidence that race played any role in this case. Although if it did, it was on Carmelo Anthony's part. Nothing, nothing about Austin Metcalf and their supporters from the beginning have been trying to say that the Metcalfs and that Austin was a white supremacist. Nothing, nothing has come out suggesting that. By the way, even if he were, he wasn't, no evidence, but even if he were, it would be irrelevant. He didn't do anything to Carmelo Anthony. He literally placed hands on him. That was it at Carmelo Anthony's insistence that he do it if he wanted Anthony to leave. And no sooner had he done it than a knife was in his heart and his life was over at age 17. These are the race hustlers. I'm sick of this bullshit. I'm sorry, there was a time where I was feeling kind of bad for them, they blew it. Not only that, but they took their $600,000 that they got in the GoFundMe or GiveSendGo. They rented this mansion, they've been living the high life, driving around in the nice car. And now you're mad? Now you're mad at the justice you received, you're mad at the legal services you received? You hired a shitty lawyer. He wasn't good, I admit. White, black could have been either way. You decided to go with a white guy. He wasn't bad because he's white. He was bad because he's bad. You could have, you could be a great lawyer as a black man. You could be a great lawyer as a white man and vice versa. Look at Johnny Cochran, one of the best ever. But this is outrageous. This behavior is, it's beyond disrespectful. I kind of can't get my arms around the gas lighting that these people are doing. And then there's poor Jeff Metcalf, the sweet father who has to deal with the loss of his boy for the rest of his life who looks at his boy's twin hunter. And can you imagine what that's like? The living image of your dead child walking around your house, but it's not him. It's so close to him, but it's not him. I wonder if it's a comfort or a curse. Oh, and poor hunter. That his brother, he was with in utero and every moment thereafter, and he will never share his wedding, the birth of his children, his professional accomplishments, his graduation from college, even from high school with him. It's just devastating. So Jeff Metcalf sat down with Sarah who was on the program yesterday, Sarah Fields, who's been very, very, very good covering this case from the beginning. And here's some of what he said, Sot 21. That very first night, our church, held an impromptu vigil. Our church holds 1500 people at Hope Fellowship. It was overflowing. There was over 1700 people that showed up that night. Very touching. An outpouring from the community, friends, family, even people who didn't know us showed up in support. And I spoke that night about who Austin was. He was a leader, owned and off the field. He touched people's hearts in ways others couldn't. He was loved by so many and so many loved him. Okay. I just want to give you the juxtaposition. That's Jeff Metcalf, father of the victim. Here's Carmelo Anthony's grandmother outside the church, sorry, outside the courthouse as she left two days ago. Sot 24. Brayden, Brayden, Brayden, Brayden, Brayden, Brayden, Brayden, Brayden, Brayden, Brayden, Brayden, Brayden, Brayden, Brayden, Brayden, Brayden, Brayden. He said we got him. He said a white person. He said a black boy. And then he went in. That's it. They can do whatever. They're gonna show you guys. They're gonna miss. Yeah. We learned y'all. It ain't the hand that roll. It's the hand. It's the hand. We love y'all. That's it. That's it. Brayden. Brayden. Brayden. Brayden. Brayden. We know the truth. We see the truth. We see the truth. This race is biased. This race is biased. Y'all to put up with family too. Y'all to board up too. You did a good job. We seen everything. Get it? Getting the message? She made it quite clear. And I'm sure it was comments like that over and over, not to mention the nasty jabs that these supporters have had for the Metcalfe family, like let's dig up Austin and stab him again. And by the way, there's also a push now, change.org petition to charge Hunter with assault, saying it's really important for accountability from these same Cretans. Hunter did nothing. Hunter held his dying brother in his arms. That's what Hunter did. He was there when he came into this world and he was there when he went out. That's what Hunter's been through. They want to charge him. So I'm sure Jeff Metcalfe has had about enough from the Anthony family and their supporters, which leads me to SOT 22, back to Jeff. So you can live with your lie if you want to, but my truth is forever. Just like the fact your son is a convict and a killer, forever. Forever's a long time. What's your master plan, Mr. Anthony, to use your son as income and soak up as much money playing victim to line your pockets and then abandon him when he's at sentencing or a victim impact? You just left him up there by himself? Amazing. Amazing. That's poor man. He's been given a life sentence too. There's nothing, nothing that can be said or done, a life sentence without parole, a death sentence for Carmelo Anthony would not heal this guy's pain. We all know that. Nothing can be undone for him. All we can do is express our deep, deep sympathy and try to help him. I want to introduce him to my friends, Alison and Tom Barclaych. You guys may remember their son Blake died in October of 2021. During COVID, he had taken two doses of the vaccine. We still don't know exactly what caused it, but he died of myocarditis at age 17. And they have become an example to me and to the world in how to handle grief. They've been so wonderful. They, they found a way to hold each other through it, to hold their friends through it, to find where they could moments of laughter and connection to remember Blake at every turn. I try to mention him, Blake Barclaych at every turn because that comforts them. Just hearing his name and knowing that people are thinking about him in some way at some level comforts them. Tom works at Johnson and Johnson. He worked tirelessly to change the bereavement policy there, which they did used to be only get like a couple of days. You lose a son, you lose a child. You can't, you can't go back to work after two days, you know, and Johnson and Johnson did it. They were great. And now they're working actually with Congress to pass a bill that would allow bereavement leave that's extended for parents who lose a child. My point is simply, they, I know it's a trite saying, but they did turn their pain into purpose. And they have a blueprint of sorts on how a grieving set of parents can get through the worst possible thing. They also lost their son at age 17. And they're okay. Like they're, they'll never be whole again, but they're okay. They're doing all right. Their daughter Alexis as well is thriving. So I just, I have such prayers for the Metcalfe family and the Carmelo Anthony family. I just, I'm so disappointed in them. I'm horrified by their behavior. I'm going to give you a few more from them. They went on with this breakfast club interviewer and here's them taking issue with the narrative of Austin dying in his twin brother's arms. Cause that's, that seems like something we should be debating, right? Listen. The other family, they go paint his lie. There's nobody still have been exposed that he died in his brother arms. And it was all. That's not true. Cause that is a narrative. No, no, you never heard it no more. That was a lie. You heard about a bag. You never heard about a bag since trial. I guess I was telling people a lie is temporary, but the truth lasts forever. It's just now it's like hard and now I got to fight to get the truth out. Okay. There was testimony that Austin did hold Hunter, sorry, reverse that Hunter held Austin screaming, I can't do this. But I guess that's uncomfortable. I don't know that we need to reject that. It's important to go revise the pain that the twin brother was in. Is it, is it better if he didn't? I mean, great. Let's say he wasn't holding him. Is it better? Is it, is what Carmelo did less bad? Cause I'm not feeling that. You're not like in any way lowering my sympathy for the MedCalf family or for his twin brother Hunter. What are you doing? What are you doing? Mimi, the anchor doing this. What are you, what are you, why? Why don't you ask a question like, would it matter? Are you disputing that, that Hunter was an incredible pain? What's your message, Chonter? Do you want to apologize to him right here and now? Where's that question? Here's, okay. Here's the parents on why Carmelo didn't take the stand. And did Carmelo want to testify on his own behalf and was? To survive. It was based on everything. It didn't need nothing because everything they said when it's self-defense, they have to prove it. They never proved. Okay. So that was never, that was, cause I know there was this pause and a lot of people thought that, you know, we were going to come back and he was going to take the stand and he didn't. So that was never an option. That had never been discussed of him taking the stand. That's why we just need to anew it. We need, we need somebody who's going to fight. That's what I'm going to say right now. We just need somebody who's going to fight. Okay. So he's saying that the prosecution didn't make its case. And that's why he, that's a lie. That's a lie. A first year law student knew that the prosecution had made its case. And by the way, then the judge said explicitly, they've made a case because you move for a directed verdict arguing that they hadn't made their case. And the judge said, no, they've put up enough that, you know, it should go to the jury. And you had the opportunity right then and there to say, do we, the reason they didn't put him on the stand is because I guarantee you, he was not a sympathetic witness. He would not have made a good witness very clearly. Look what the mother was able to muster. Yeah, I regret. Check, bye. What do you think? You think Carmelo would have been way better? And so instead they let her be the face of it? No, if Carmelo could have mustered one tear for anyone other than himself, when did he cry? When he was found guilty? Oh, that's the first we saw any emotion out of him. He wouldn't look the Metcalfe family in the eye he wasn't man enough. That's why he pulled a knife and stabbed Austin Metcalfe because only someone who had to prove how tough he was would ever even consider such a thing as an option. He's such a small, pathetic little man. That's the truth about Carmelo Anthony. That's why he did what he did. He appears to have been raised by a couple of race hustlers and therefore he looked for insult at every turn and almost certainly understood the please leave our tent directive as some sort of racist looking down upon you message as opposed to you're on an opposing team. For today's purposes, we're in battle. That's how every athlete looks at these things. What are you saying? Even in tennis, my kids are in tennis, which is, you know, it's not like hand-to-hand combat the way football or some of these other sports are. You don't really fraternize with the opponent during the breaks after, yes, totally. But like during, while it's going on, you're quote, enemies. Not the kind that Carmelo Anthony thought they were, where you actually kill the other person, but enemies in that don't hang in my tent. For the next four hours, our only mission is to beat you, not to befriend you, not to hang out with you, and not to mention you talk strategy when you're on the sidelines with the team and you definitely don't want a competitor in the penthouse with you. Why didn't Carmelo Anthony know any of that? Like any athlete or someone like me, who's not an athlete, know that, like we would all know that because he'd been raised by two grievancy race hustlers. Why else would they hire Dominique Alexander as the spokesperson? And why else would they be arguing the way they are with the grandmother? Racist, racist, biased. That's, you created this situation, you created what happened to your son and what happened to Austin Metcalf, shame on you. All I want to hear from you is you're sorry, you're sorry. We're gonna take a break. We're gonna come back with Mike Solana and we're gonna discuss this and some other news. Don't go away. For 250 years, Americans have believed in a powerful idea that we were meant to live free. Free to work hard, free to move, free to enjoy life without being held back. But if everyday aches and pains are slowing you down, it might be time for you to declare your independence from pain. Relief Factor is a 100% drug-free, research-based formula designed to help your body fight inflammation, which is one of the root causes of pain. It's not a quick fix or a temporary mask. It works from the inside out, at the source. Relief Factor was created so people could get their lives back on their terms. Walking, working, exercising, and enjoying the moments that matter in one's life. And I have felt the difference too. I've used Relief Factor repeatedly. 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That doesn't make it the fault of all black people. It certainly doesn't make it the fault of all white people. What is this? Welcome back to the Megan Kelly Show. We're gonna bring in Mike Solana. He's the founder of Media Company, Pirate Wires, as well as the chief marketing officer of the venture capital firm, Founders Fund. And we have found him to have a lot of wisdom on a lot of subjects. Mike, welcome back, great to see you. Great seeing you, thanks for having me. This is kind of crazy. Oh man, it's... Right, this is kind of crazy. It's so nuts. I was, obviously I was listening to your segment. I think maybe one of the most striking things about this to me is we're actually, we're not even inside of one of these crazy moments of racial tension. Like this is actually, we're not in the middle of BLM. You know, we're not, this is, I mean, so much about this reaction reminds me of the OJ stuff. We have these famous pictures of mixed race college dorms. There's this one in particular where you see all of the white people watching this clearly guilty person get off in horror and all of the black people cheering. There was a lot going on in the country at that time. I don't, it's totally inexcusable and important and honestly horrifying to watch, but like it was still like, you could almost understand that things were really tense at that time and this is the reaction or something. This is not even that. And it's just the whole thing is a reminder to me that there is this really frightening racial hatred sort of bubbling under the surface even now. And I'm just gonna say it. I think the thing that a lot of people are dancing around is like, I think there's a racism problem among black Americans in particular. It seems disproportionate. Some of them. It seems disproportionate. Right, of course not at all. I'm saying by the numbers. You see polling, there's polling data on this where you talk about, you know, how do you feel about this or that race? And black Americans have disproportionately higher degrees of racism against other groups and especially white people. And I think we wanna not talk about that, but it does come up in moments like this. This whole thing feels super racially charged. You can't look at the reaction to this and think anything other than like this, obviously hopefully minority of black people but sizable minority of black people believe that a white person being killed doesn't matter. It just doesn't matter. It's so crazy to me. I mean, honestly, like we have dear black friends, they're Christian, they're God fearing, they would look at this case exactly as you and I do. They're not represented by these lunatics, but there's a fair amount of these lunatics running around in Texas, obviously, or in online. We've seen so many postings that, look at the harassment that the Carmelo Anthony supporters unleashed on the Metcalfe family as they left the courthouse. You're gonna hear these, this yelling everybody. By the way, that first shot we just played from that man was from End Wokeness Online. This one's from TikTok chief Mallow, who captured this moment here and shot 26. They're yelling at Austin's family here. I'm trying to ask him again. He's a bitch ass fool. You guys knew he was a bully. You guys knew he was a bully. You guys knew. I want you guys to know that I am six foot even. The phone is at my head. You guys knew. And the guy in the back is his brother. You guys knew that was a bully. Carmelo Anthony was five feet, nine, five feet, eight, something like that. So you had two of those people standing over him. That's unbelievable. You knew he was a bully. They're yelling, we're glad Austin's dead. That's what she said right at the beginning. And for the listening audience, they get right in front of their car, they follow them, including Hunter, to the car and get right in front of physical intimidation. Again, like here too. You know that someone was murdered. You know that it was a kid who was murdered. To justify that, you have to dehumanize them in some way. And that's what I think a lot of people are doing here. I do say, so the internet kind of gives and it takes. I think a lot of this was probably amplified via disinformation among a lot of these kind of race hustling people. They've activated a lot of people who now believe kind of inaccurate things about the case. And they really do think, for example, Austin was a white supremacist and he attacked Carmelo and all of this kind of stuff. On the other side of that, I will say, you know, I was just saying, I think we have quite a bit of a race problem on our hands. It's kind of always bubbling under the surface. I did see last night, I was kind of doom scrolling on this. And for whatever reason, the algorithm, maybe it knew I was in a bad place. And it started sending me lots of black influencers who were like, this is crazy and you people are crazy and you are making this really bad. And so there was a good amount of that as well. I just though, I just keep coming back to it. The next time we, and it was inevitable. I mean, you look at what's happening in Europe. We have a long history of this in this country. There's gonna be a moment where racial tension flares again. And this kind of thing will be much worse. It'll be much more pervasive. You know, if this had happened in the BLM era, it would be, you know, the carmel might have gotten off. Like that's the thing. I have a question for you about the juries though. How do you, when you get people like this, if you get someone like this on the jury, like how could this have played out? And then how do you maintain any kind of fair legal system in a world where people feel this way? No, you got, I mean, the number one thing you got to figure out as a prosecutor is how, is there a respect for authority by this potential juror? And there are questions that can get to whether they respect authority, slash the law, slash police officers, you know, and any of those can be a stand in for, could you believe the prosecution's case? Because if you're totally anti-authority, you're not gonna vote to a convict. You're gonna sound like these people where you're motivated by something else, like ideology or skin color. We saw a little bit of this in the, because I've seen jurors from the OJ case kind of sort of admit that they knew this guy killed this woman to two people. Two people. And they didn't care. I just, if, I am worried about, yes, I think this reaction is a minority reaction. I think it's a large minority. I am worried if it grows, like I kind of, especially in a world of like mass migration, if people start identifying tribalistically, rather than, you know, identifying with classic American principles like fairness and a trial, I don't know how we maintain this. I don't know how we maintain fair trials in the future. That's the thing that really worries me about this case, is like, I see the future through it. And it comes on the heels of us watching Henry Novak be stabbed multiple times by a brown man who's Sikh, who claimed he was the victim, which was a lie and a police force, automatically trust the brown guy with the knives, instead of the white guy dying at their feet. And now we have this beheading, which is also, you know, you've got a black man from Sudan, who's an immigrant, trying to behead a disabled white guy from Northern Ireland, and the immediate reaction from all the politicians is, stop showing the video and stop talking about it. Stop, stop, just stop. So it's just, there's been a series of events where I think people are like, what? We're being gaslit. And we're also seeing a true, like, again, it feels like, it feels time for Candis Owens and, who is it? What's his name? The one who was married to Kim Kardashian. Oh, Kanye? Kanye, thank you. Yes, Kanye and Candis Owens to bust out their white lives matter t-shirts again, or sweatshirts. I mean, thank God though, it's not quite as bad as Europe. Really feels like, it's just this bizarre world version of America where things are just slightly worse. It's like the vibe shift went in the opposite direction. And I think, I mean, when I see what's happening in England and what's happening in Ireland with this sort of, you know, policing, I guess here it was always implicitly different. It's like, oh, there's a two-tiered justice, but it's not actually official. It's not actually systemic. Over there, it seems much more systemic. And certainly the speech laws are much worse. And maybe they're just this constant warning, you know? It's like, that is, it can get worse. It can be as bad as what we're looking at over there if we're not careful. Good point. Yes, it's a very good point. Oh, wait, stand by one second. Well, my team's telling me that, oh, Carmelo's parents went on CBS this morning. And that's apparently what happened. Do we have a soundbite that we're playing? Okay, I guess we'll just play it. We'll watch it together. I don't know what's in it, Mike, but we'll find out together. Take us inside that courtroom. What stuck out to you? What stuck out to me, number one, was the all-white jury. But I was trying to be, you know, like, all right, it's not that big of a deal. I mean, the truth is on our side. What did you tell the jury? It's a have mercy on my son. What do you say to his grieving family? It's unfortunate to where nobody wants. We've all been hurt by this. Everybody. Oh my God. Outrageous. It's unfortunate and we've all been hurt by this. It's like absolutely outrageous. It's sociopathic behavior. They don't see this person as a person is the thing. They do not, they see him, they see the boy who was murdered by their son as an obstacle to what they want, rather than a victim. It is, yeah, it's really outrageous. And the lie that it was an all-white jury. There were no blacks on the jury, but it was not an all-white jury. There were Hispanics, there were Asians. There were multiple minorities. This is Texas. There are a lot of minorities in Texas, and the jury reflected that. That's also a lie. There were plenty of minorities on that jury. Shame on him. Unbelievable. The lies. All right, speaking of lies, they're telling us Spencer Pratt lost fair in Square. Oh man, I have so much more to say about this. I know it's sad. The other one is obviously this tragic issue, but I mean, I could go off on LA for days. So where do you want to start? No, I do want to hear it, but first I want to start with this. This is video was posted on the X-Account Wall Street apes who showed a Skid Row woman claiming she was paid to vote for Karen Bass by a bunch of activists. Stop 32. Did you vote? Yeah. Oh, you did for Karen Bass? Yeah, Karen Bass. Right? Is that what I was saying, Bass? Karen Bass, yeah, or Nithya Raman? Karen. They told you to vote for Karen? Yeah, they had a ton of little things. And how much they pay you? It was like two bucks. Two bucks? Or they sign off on a thing, the vote for her? Yeah. And so they do this for everybody out here? Yeah, they come out here all the time. Okay, so it's starting to explain where the magical votes were found in the mail-in vote, Mike. I mean, I have, this is, I don't think that a democracy is healthier if you happen to have a really, really high turnout among methodic hobos who live under the bridge, like this ground floor. I don't think that makes for a better system. I do also, I would love to be comparing though, the turnout of methodic hobos who live under the bridge in LA versus other cities, because it seems from what I'm looking at by the numbers like very, very, very high. You have hundreds of ballots coming in. They're motivating. Going into homeless shelters with no beds. All turning up, you have, the post was reporting something like 7,500 associated like a homeless ballots being turned in. I don't, to these sort of centers, right? That's how you kind of get at the question of, are these people homeless? If their address is a homeless shelter, then probably they're homeless, or that is what we're thinking here. This is just all obviously a recipe for fraud. I mean, I don't, I live in San Francisco. There are lots of drug addicted homeless people here. If you've ever had a conversation with one, these are not people who are like, oh, I better turn in my mail-in ballot. It's election season. I really find Nithya Raman's housing policy compelling. Can't wait to vote. Like that's just not fucking happening. And the fact that we're expected to believe it's happening is absolutely maddening. And so now what you have in the New York Times, just this morning, you had this thing on like, what did we learn from the Pratt loss or whatever? And it opens up with this really frustrating thing that I've seen Matt Iglesias began in on the center left. This is their position. Their position is, man, all of these dumb Pratt voters on Twitter really truly believed that Pratt was gonna win as a Republican in like a 90% Democrat city. And they're just going off about this sort of lie that people were delusional and believe Spencer was gonna win outright. And they're doing this to make a cartoon character out of his supporters to obfuscate the real issues, which are like, mail-in ballots are out of control, registering homeless people to vote, and then ballot harvesting drug-addicted homeless people to push someone like Nithya over the edge is outrageous. I mean, 7,500 is just the number that we know. She only won by like 30,000 votes, I think she's up at this point. Like that's the one piece of reporting that we have on this. Like we have no idea what is going on in that city. Other than it seems like more people voted in this election than the last and there are less people in LA than the last election. There's just nothing but smoke here. And we're not gonna talk about it because this is America and in America when a far left person wins, we just pretend everything is fine. And it's extremely frustrating. Yes, exactly right. I mean, this is giving me the vibes of what happened between Kristen Welker and Trump, where he was like, it stinks, it's crooked. And she just, that's how they count the votes in California. There's zero interest in the so-called mainstream media to actually investigate whether this actually does smell and might be fraudulent. I mean, it's like someone said online, we don't know that it's fraudulent. I haven't seen, I myself have not seen hard evidence of fraud. It seems like a lot of crazy things are just the law in California and in Los Angeles. And so what we certainly know is that it's rigged. Like I think the word rigged makes a little more sense. Like it is stacked against anyone who is not in bed with the hard left in Los Angeles. I mean- But I do think it's, I used the word cheating the other day because I, and I think that's different from fraud too, but I do think it's cheating. If the law is set up to say, you can mark your ballot with an X or a slash, they are thinking about an elderly person who suffered a stroke. That's what they, they are not thinking about skid row junkies who get corralled by Democrat groups who then are the witnesses who consigned to say, I attest that, you know, skid rows Mike Solana was truly the one who marked that X, right? Like that's bullshit. I didn't know ballot harvesting was a real thing until this election. I genuinely believed it was a right wing conspiracy. I thought it was like a thing that Fox News Talking Heads talked about just to like, you know, throw smoke out there. There was no way in my mind, I thought that this was a real thing that existed in Los Angeles. And that is now, I mean, we are seconds away from it being defended as like sacrosanct. Like there, there isn't, if we got rid of ballot harvesting, if we couldn't have a democratic operative rounding up 7,500 drug addicted homeless people to vote for Nithya Raman, we would not have democracy. It would have died in darkness at that point. And it's just like, I don't know. I'm at the point now, it's like, if that's, if that is what we're talking about with democracy, like, I'm, well, I'm not in favor of that system. Whatever that system is, that's not what I want. You're so right though, we are a couple of minutes away from that. Cause it's always like, no, it's not happening. And then it's like, oh, it's happening, but it's old news. Megan, you don't want, you don't want, and then it's old news and it's good for you. You don't think methodics have a right to democracy, Megan? That hobo living under the bridge, you don't think that you don't, you don't want to hear what they have to say about, you know, giving more homeless people under the bridge money. Why not? You must be, you're such a terrible person, Megan. Like, of course that's what's gonna happen. Needest, ablest, knob. Yes, ablest, ablest. Okay, great, fine. You don't think, they can control it, Megan. They have a disease. You have to listen to what they think about police brutality. Like maybe, but also here's a practical question. If they're living under a bridge, like, what is their address? I know people in Los Angeles who are in Los Angeles, but they're just a little too far south or a little too far north. They couldn't, they could not vote in this election. Where, where does this person live? Like, I don't understand how, I don't understand that piece of the puzzle. Like there are practical questions. There are moral questions. We're not gonna get answers to any of those questions though. Yeah, and I read one report that said, even if you're gonna go with, okay, every single homeless person at this shelter went through this ruse of the slashe mark witnessed by some Democrat operative who then clearly filled in the name Nithya Raman. Even if we were gonna go with that, is like, that's how it was done. And technically it's within the letter of the law. There, I read a report. I can't remember the paper, but it was a credible paper. It was either the Times or the Journal. I'm trying to remember. Anyway, they reported that their, the numbers were too big for the homeless shelter. Like they didn't have this number of homeless at these particular shelters. So there's reason to believe even the, this fraud, cheating, whatever, as set up is being exploited. They didn't have the beds, and of course we know that someone, wait, stand by, stand by. I'm gonna hold you over, because we have more to do, but I gotta squeeze in and out. Don't go away. 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Many of the homeless have zero understanding of what it is that they're actually signing. Amazing, that's James O'Keeffe, the intrepid getting firsthand evidence of what happens in California in order to make those votes magically go, Democrat. Welcome back to the MK show, Mike Solanas back with me. He's the editor of the must read fearless publication, Pirate Wires, go and subscribe now. Mike, that's the thing, is like the dismissiveness of the Kirsten Welkers of the world and all of the media. And so now we're stuck with the results. How is she not even talking? Sorry. No, just gonna say he's not gonna move on. There's nothing we can do about it. There's not gonna be a court challenge in time that's gonna change any of this. And it leads to disillusionment. It leads to people feeling disaffected. Yeah, not to this, he's done. Pratt's, I was really to Pratt for what it's worth. The moment, so the fires happened, Pratt came out of the gate. It was exciting. I was like, but before he was even running, I said, this man's a journalist. This is a star is born. I followed his career before the fires. I thought he was a smart guy before all that. I followed him during the hummingbird crystal saga and I followed him during the fire aftermath. He is talented. I think that he kind of rose to the occasion and he'll probably run, I think he's gonna run again. And that will be a different campaign, perhaps, if we can get the election stuff under control in the state of California. The world of mail-in ballots is so new. That's the thing that we also aren't thinking about. Like this mass mail-in ballot moment. New and awful. It's just, it took them, and I think it took the activists a minute to learn how to game the system. And we are now in the gaming the system moment. And if we don't do something about it, it's just gonna get a lot worse. There are a lot of really important ballots, props coming up in California during this next general election. This kind of stuff, this kind of behavior could be really bad. It's important, that clip that you showed is really important. I think that I'm pretty sure that woman is being, I think she is, is she not being, she's being investigated by the federal government. Like that's not gonna just, it's not like nothing's gonna come of that at least. I think that law will be followed. I'm concerned about all of the stuff that's technically legal that should not be legal. And these really crazy negative outliers that we're seeing for the first time. Cause it's just, the system is new. It's new and it's awful. On the subject of Spencer Pratt, all right. So he's, like he hasn't conceded exactly. I guess technically we have till July that these votes are gonna be counted. It's kind of crazy. But we know he lost and however he lost, he lost. A lot of LA residents were excited by Spencer Pratt. A lot of the people in the Palisades were very excited to see somebody who felt their pain caused by Karen Bass and her lieutenants. They didn't light the fires, but they might as well have. They were excited by him. Does Jimmy Kimmel, who's a California resident, tap into that at all or at least stay away from it? Just out of respect. I'll do that sometimes. Sometimes I'll be very fired up on an issue. And just like out of respect for people, I just won't go there because it's like, I don't, whatever, I don't always feel the need to rub people's noses in a political loss or what have you. Well, let's check in, stop 39. So now we wait to hear from Spencer Pratt. You know, he clearly promised that if Karen Bass or Nithya Raman were elected mayor, he was gonna move out of LA. He said he was done with LA and Spencer, if you're watching, we are so, so sorry to see you go. But what we do know, you're gonna miss the hell out of you. You're a man of your word and you've gotta go. You said you were gonna go. And I know things might be tight right now, especially out of state donation money is running out. Moving is expensive. So to help you out, we rented you a U-Haul. This is, it has plenty of room. It's got the two beds, tables, chairs, all your Christmas. And everyone, our staff spent the whole day decorating for you. So, and everybody that will notice you and wave goodbye as you leave. And I hope that you and Heidi are happy wherever it is you go. Honestly, Mike, like what did he do that's so abhorrent? He really wasn't even in Cendiary the way Trump is. I mean, he was honest, he was straight talker. But I just, I genuinely don't think that's warranted. He was succeeding. That's what he did that was so abhorrent. And anyone who is successful at getting a message out that is contrary to the state message is gonna be punished by the state sock puppet, sock puppets such as Jimmy Kimmel. That's his whole job is to get up there and terrify people into holding the party line. And it's just like the Democratic party line has become increasingly untethered to reality. And so it looks like extra shocking to see someone up there making fun of someone who lost literally everything that he owned and that his mother owned in a fire. Like, yeah, that seems shocking to us because we're still relatively based in reality. And he's just not, he's not and he can't. His job is to defend the crazy things. And meanwhile, like Jimmy Kimmel is sitting fat and pretty and some, I'm sure Brentwood or Beverly Hills or Bel Air mansion, undoubtedly with coastline views and multiple other homes. And it's like, who are you? You're gonna mock the fact that money's tight now that the donations are drying up and he has no home to go home to? Like, that's sick. Like, again, like the lack of any sort of consideration for somebody who probably is hurting right now and who really just wanted to help people. Like, he didn't have to throw his hat into the political ring. Right, I saw some people, I mean, a lot of another popular thing that I'm seeing on the center left is this idea that, well, Republicans need to learn from this. They're running these crazy social media people who don't know anything for mayor. There was nobody else running for mayor in Los Angeles. Spencer had the nomination, or not the nomination, there was no nomination. Spencer was running and succeeding as the Republican because there were no other people stepping up. And that's a problem that we have across the country. Wait, can I just say something? If that's how they feel, why do I have to look at Jack Schlossberg for two minutes? He's done nothing, nothing. That's Caroline Kennedy's son. That's all he's done. He went to Harvard, he went to Yale, and literally all he accomplished after that was like a couple weeks stint for, I think it was Vanity Fair, writing about the Democratic National Convention. That's it, he did another two weeks for John Kerry at the State Department, which was obviously disastrous because it did not lead to a full-time job. And now he's running for office in New York. If you really feel that social media game isn't enough, why did Nancy Pelosi endorse that loser? Well, right, the other funny thing about it is we don't have to even go outside of LA. The other people in Spencer's race didn't have much experience. What was Karen Bass's experience? She was a community organizer before she got into politics, and then she burned the city down. Is that okay? I mean, she's experienced, I'll give you that, at something, it was just doing something terrible. She was experienced at massive damage, the worst fire in the history of the city, and Nithya Rahman moved there in what, 2015? I think she married some rich Hollywood guy, and she's on city council. That's okay, that's a nothing position that has nothing to do with actually being the executive of a city. She doesn't have the experience either. None of these people do. The experience thing is only throwing at people who you don't agree with, with what they're saying. What was Spencer doing? He was getting up there and saying, that this woman in charge who represents the machine Democrats is the reason all of our houses burned down and we can't rebuild them. Number two, these are the people who are responsible for the homeless drug addicts in front of the school where you were trying to take your kids. This is wrong. Those are the things that they don't want people to face because they're real things that really resonate with voters, and to face them is to face in a one-party state the failure of the Democrats. They can't do that. They'll do anything to not face that. Jack Schlossberg wrote for Vogue, even worse, for a couple of months. And that's it. That's all he's accomplished. And for that, you get endorsed by Nancy Pelosi because you're the son of a Kennedy and that's enough for them. I do wanna round back to something we said during our Carmelo Anthony discussion. Again, they were gaslighting us. There was, I knew, there was testimony that Hunter held his dying twin brother, Austin, in his arms as Hunter, as Austin was dying. And I got that from their father who testified to it during the penalty phase of the trial. He got up there and said that that was the case. And there was another witness. There was a witness named Joshua Rebman. This is during the course of the actual trial who's an Army veteran and current defensive coordinator at Liberty High School who testified that he had to physically move Hunter off of Austin, whom he was holding so that he could treat Austin's wound. And he described Hunter as having been freaking out when it was happening, of course. How dare they get up there? I mean, like, what is the point? And how dare that so-called journalist, I don't know what she considers herself, fail in not following up on that matter and actually just pinning them down. A, it is true, there was testimony to the fact. And B, who cares? What point are you trying to make? Okay, back to this other news that we're discussing. I wanna ask you about this but I find this very interesting. I'm very worried about AI. I'm worried about AI for sure. And I went on Sean Ryan two weeks ago and I said to him, if we're doing this, if we're really going like balls to the walls with all this AI and the hundreds of billions of dollars that are being invested in all these tech companies now to develop it and develop it fast and before China, the American public should have a piece of it. They should have a piece of it. Their kids are not gonna have jobs. A lot of the adults are gonna have their livelihoods wiped out. Why shouldn't they participate as opposed to just making Sam Altman a trillionaire and all the others like him? And I've been thinking about this for a while. I'm not a socialist, but like when it comes to this particular thing is gonna wipe out some huge share of jobs in America. Yeah, I am in favor of doing something. Enter Bernie Sanders. I'm like starting to believe in a lot of what Bernie Sanders. Am I? I just this one thing actually, but listen what he's saying. It's not 38. The foundation of AI is our collective human intelligence. Our books, songs, artwork, journalism, computer code, scientific research, videos, compensations, images, and ideas spanning generations. As Sam Altman himself acknowledged, AI models were trained on our quote, collective experience, knowledge, and learnings of humanity, end quote. The reality is that big tech oligarchs have fed this knowledge into the AI models without permission, acknowledgement, or compensation. In other words, the creative work of millions and hundreds of millions of people has been stolen by the wealthiest people in the world. The time has come to reclaim what was stolen from us. What do you make of it? I hate to disagree with you. Love to be on the same side. No, go for it. I think Bernie is a genuinely evil person. I think this is the face of communism. I think it's really dangerous. I wanna lay out though, first of all, like where I see y'all coming from. If what has been said about AI is accurate and we're looking at the obliteration of all human jobs and then it's like a giant question mark about how that's supposed to work out for us, of course people are gonna be upset. And of course that's a problem. That completely resonates with me. I think the messaging around AI is really bad. I think the reason it's bad is complex, but maybe just the big two reasons are one, genuinely no one knows what's gonna happen anytime there's an authentic paradigm shift, technological paradigm shift happening, it's just like really confusing to be able to predict what it means to have artificial intelligence in the world. But then two, I think the big model labs are incentivized to be like, this is the most powerful thing in the world. I think it's really good, are really powerful. I think a lot of things are gonna change. I think it's not yet clear what that looks like. I think a lot has been made of the job loss in tech that's not actually accurate. I see a lot of evidence that those numbers are kind of hyperinflated. I think when it comes to, let's say this is as powerful, it's like more decisive, more important than the development of the atom bomb or something, which is another thing that these people, a lot of the people working on this stuff have said. I maybe would understand the idea of like, okay, well let's get the government involved somehow, let's get the public involved somehow. At that point, what I would want is for the government to purchase the stake, not just seize it, like is this Joseph Stalin going after a miracle invention that has been invented by people. My husband's got a book out on this right now. Honestly, I wasn't even thinking of it, but my husband just wrote a book called The Lost Empire of Emmanuel Nobel, who is the guy who created the Russian oil fortune, which was his, his family's company, until a man named Joseph Stalin came along and decided that needed to end and it needed to belong to the federal government. My idea on this, Sean Ryan, was we should use it to pay down the national debt. Whatever huge portion of it we're gonna take, it wouldn't be like a check to people at home. It would be something to pay down that 30 trillion plus. Well, so of course, this is the reason that it's being used by people like Bernie Sanders at this point. It's like, this is the same reason we're talking about a wealth tax in California. It's always, how do we demonize these random nerds with a lot of money in any way that we can that's gonna take blame off of the government for fucking us in a million different ways? We start with the national debt, we could talk about the cost of housing. It's like, why isn't Bernie Sanders talking about mass migration? We know that it's like, why does a law of supply and demand always matter in any other case other than, millions of people moving to a country that can't build housing? When are we gonna address that? It's like, we're not gonna do that. They need a scapegoat to talk about. Now, that's unfortunate. I think that the Model Labs themselves are talking about, how do we get the public involved? I think they've talked about, I think they might even want nationalization themselves. I think all of these things are potentially in the future, but in a world where it's like a question mark and we don't yet know how everything is gonna shape out with the technology itself, there is no way, there's no reason at all to have language. So incredible as like, you stole this from us and we are gonna hurt you now because of it. We're gonna take it. Like it just, nothing has justified that. And what I want is to just ask Bernie Sanders, like, what has he done? How has he made the world better? When you take the money, let's just say that you take it, let's get communism, fine. Here's all the money. What are you gonna do to help me? Because I've had tax increases my entire life. Everyone in my family has. I come from a super middle class, to even lower middle class, I would say when I was very, very young. Family, no one in my family has ever been benefited from a tax increase. Like we've never gotten any of the good shit, okay? It's like only the tax increases. I've never seen anything, anytime they wanna raise money to help us, it's like, it's never actually helped. So how is this theft going to help? That's the wealth tax in California, the same exact question. It's like, how is this actually going to fix anything for the average person? And I think that their answer is like, it's not. And the real reason Bernie Sanders and he's going after these companies and the real reason the people in California or the unions in California are going after billionaires is because they see tech people as a counterpoint to machine left power. It is completely a game of power. They see a threat to their power. Elon Musk bought Twitter and people lost their minds. They said, holy shit, if you have enough money in this country, the machine can't have a monopoly anymore. Now it is worth being like, well, who are these tech elite and what do they believe and are they gonna make the world better? Maybe not. But the Democrats I don't think, like Bernie, are even looking at it that way. The way they're looking at it is just like, this is a threat to my power. They don't care about you. They don't care about your children. They care about power. You might be aligned on the question of like, AI makes me nervous and I think you would be right to be. It's a new thing. We should all be nervous a little bit. I think there's reason to be hopeful as well. I mean, there are all potential manner of opportunities. Like you're in pancreatic cancer. In drug discovery and medicine. How can you not get in a self-driving car in San Francisco and not be like, holy shit, I'm in a, this is like the Jetsons, right? Like there are things that are coming. Totally. That are cool. There are also like every technology, everything's a trade-off. And yes, there are unlimited dangers there that we should discuss. But people like Bernie should just like, absolutely be run out of politics. They're, I think they're really a cancer and a scary cancer. And you want people on your side who can resist these guys. I know in California, it's like, once the billionaire tech people are gone, there's no one standing up against the hard left anymore. They're the last ones. They're the reason we have a modicum of reason right now in San Francisco. The modicum, our mayor is a more moderate guy now and things are a little bit better. It has nothing to do with anyone other than those guys that Bernie wants to eliminate. And I think that that's actually what's happening here and what this conversation is really about. I take your point. I'm like, I do see a distinction between the billionaire attacks in California and what are we gonna do about these tech oligarchs who are gonna be trillionaires while they take away our kids jobs? Like that seems really unfair and wrong and morally, morally evil. But we'll get there when we get there. We gotta start thinking about it. I will say the other thing in the tech company's defense, you gave those two points. I think number three is they are not natural spokespeople. We've seen that. Like love Elon, but I wouldn't compare him to like Reagan when it comes to the great communicator. Mark Zuckerberg admittedly is the same. He always mentions it when he testifies that these trials about how inept he is at communicating, Sam Altman, total disaster. So like I'd be much more worried if it was like the American Conference of Trial Lawyers who's building this thing. Cause they could get out there and actually spin us. They could sell, they could argue, they could literally, you know, logical reasoning on us as long as the day is long. But these guys, they're not that great at it, Mike. You're a better spokesperson. Well, thank you. I mean, I think you're right. There are disasters at this stuff. This is like, I mean, the very first thing is why would you be messaging these dystopian scenarios at all? And it's because a lot of these are just nerdy people who read a lot of science fiction. They think this is possible. It is, I mean, of course everything is possible. But I mean, yeah, the messaging has been a complete disaster and it's being capitalized. I mean, Democrats want to talk about job loss now. You want to talk about kids not having jobs. What is mass migration doing? Are you joking? What like in the world of tech, we can start just with tech and we could talk about the H1B fiasco. Like there is nothing but evidence that the Democrats don't care about Americans having jobs. Like nothing. And then now they want what? They want, they're gonna say they care about jobs, but also we need mass migration. It's like, of course they don't care about these things. I think it's possible. I think it's such a hard thing to talk about because again, you're building something genuinely new. I think that always comes with opportunity, tremendous opportunity that is difficult to see. Whereas we're humans and we're wired to identify danger and that's good, that keeps us alive. But it can also mean sometimes that we're at risk of destroying something that could really be beneficial. Now, I think it's good to be vigilant and I'm glad that you are and I'm glad that Ryan is and all of these people are. I mean, again, people in tech are as well. It's like a huge topic of conversation. Maybe the defining topic of conversation in tech right now. But I think you don't ever want to take the side of someone who would only want to destroy something to destroy it, not to help anyone else. Mm-hmm, yeah. And who has a pattern of trying to destroy just successful Americans, just out of, I don't know, bitterness, envy greed or more communist type philosophy. A pleasure to see you again, Mike. It's just made me miss you all the more. Please come back again. Thank you for having me. Mike Solana, everybody, check out Pirate Wires. You will be glad you did. We are back tomorrow, we'll see you then. Thanks for listening to the Megan Kelly Show. No BS, no agenda and no fear.