1151: TC's Dream 18

Be the right club. Be the right club today. Yes! Be the right club! Now that's... better than most. How about him? That is better than most... better than most! Expect anything different? Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the no laying up podcast. Solly here got a treat for you today. Uh, we'll explain it all when we get there. TC's dream 18, we put some constraints on him. Uh, the guy went nuts, uh, as you might imagine, and I think there's going to be a lot of offshoots, uh, from this podcast episode alone, but I, uh, I cannot wait for you to hear it and I cannot wait to get into one myself. This was a really, really, really fun exercise. But before we get into TC's dream routing, I want to talk about wedge play wedges are not a one size fits all situation. 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And I think that's what we got from our third chair today. I'm giddy. I can't wait. How confident are you that we are going to like have this narrowed down, have it set and not meander and not go off. So I'm like, you know, this, you know, I've changed my mind. No, I changed my mind here. Now I'm doing this. Are you confident in that? Um, I'm pretty confident just in, in how, uh, how firm he's been and how upset about it he is. I mean, I think he is locked in. I think he's admitting that he did the constraints of this exercise. We're going to be talking about TC's dream 18. It might be a 36 hole facility. We don't, you know, that, that's certainly possible, but, uh, 18 holes. I trust, I trust our guy to get it, get it whittled down. I just wanted to make him squirm just a little bit longer before, before time we get into talking here, TC is here. Hello TC. Hello guys. Thank you for having me. This was among the most difficult things I've ever done. I think if I did it, like, if you had me do it tomorrow, it would probably be a entirely different 18 holes. And the entire thing is like a house of cards. Like if you change one thing, there's 19 downstream changes from that. So this is reflective of what I came up with about a week ago, about four days ago, uh, on March 20th, 21st. And then I came back to it, like I worked on it a little bit last week, came back to it several times just so I wasn't a prisoner of the moment. And I don't think I've ever taken anything this year. Well, explain the entire concept. What exactly are we doing here today? What are the constraints of this exercise and, uh, and your philosophy and how you've done it and everything. Take us there before we get into the list. Yeah. Well, you guys didn't really put any constraints on me. I had to put constraints on myself, which was maybe a group. Stick with them. So there's no pain in doing this anymore. Oh, that was, that was maybe a brilliant. Strategy by you guys forcing me to commit to my own constraints because I think I needed constraints. Otherwise this thing was going to. Spiral off into a million different directions. My constraints were only courses that I've played before. Um, you know, so no, like Augusta 13 or 15 or whatever, like I've never played Augusta, so no Augusta on there for me. Otherwise it's got to be the corresponding number, like a whole number. So the third hole at Royal Adelaide can't be my first hole on my course. Like the, the whole number has to correspond. I think like there's not like, and I, that's a really challenging thing cause there's a ton of great 14th holes. There's a ton of great third holes. So there's, there's not a lot of great first holes and 18th holes. So I think that's, that's part of the challenge here. Uh, I also threw in, uh, but no, like no rules as far as like, you could pick 18 part threes if you want 18 part fives, if you want. I didn't know what to do with like the a hole at Ohupi. You know, that sort of thing. I didn't know what to do with like the DJ Kilmore nine at corn, like cause is that its own nine? Does that, does that come in on the wild Atlantic dunes routing that they have or we just played it as its own thing. TGL holes. Those are always changing. You never know what number those are going to be. Exactly. Uh, I did do a halfway house. Uh, I did, I did do a bench as well. You can do clubhouse and driving range and that sort of thing as well. You like, but, um, but really overall, I think I'll take you guys through my selections and then I'll take you through some of the, the nominees for each hole as well. Cause I think that's, that's a, that's a good exercise and we know there's going to be a second dream. 18. Like we know that's coming. When you build the right, I mean, trying to get the money together, trying to find the right partners to, to make that happen. Pinehurst. Like we might be looking at course number 11. Uh, and did you say this? I forget only each course could only be represented one time. Is that correct? Yes. I did not say that, but that's, that, that is one of the constraints. Yes. Can I ask TC a philosophical question? Are you, uh, how did you think about, I know you're a big routing guy. You're a big golf is a hike guy. You're a big, uh, walking through nature, ebbs and flows kind of got, did you build in like, uh, this is a natural lull? Did you build in this is how this thing is going to ramp? This is going to build to a crescendo. Is it like, or is it truly just all, you know, Pine Valley? Did it, it's just banger after banger after banger. High as possible form on every hole. Definitely thought about, I thought about setting and some of these holes aren't necessarily the best tools that like, I mean, they're all, they're, they're like my favorite holes. So it may not be like the best hole, but it's just, I want to be transported to that place and setting and environment. Um, so you'll see that in a few spots where it's like, like, like friends, I like coming back to the clubhouse during around at weird times. Like I like three hole loops and 14 hole loops and all of that stuff. Uh, and then, you know, and then you go back out for three or four more holes. That sort of thing. Um, but yeah, like as far as green to T walks and stuff too, like I think you can probably, you know, don't exist in this exercise. Yeah. Well, yeah, or they can. It's like, all right, like we're going to stay at this place until we get to that next T box and then you're transported through a pneumatic tube or something like that. I, I started to try to do this exercise a little bit and I, I was surprised how hard it was. Um, some of my favorite golf course, some things I would list as my favorite golf courses in the world. I'm like, Oh, I don't know if any of the individual holes get nominated up to this level. Um, and maybe my brain wasn't working in the right place when I was doing it, but I kind of just kept defaulting to like five or six golf courses, uh, that kept getting represented, like maybe overly represented, but one, maybe that speaks to the top level golf courses in the world, how much, you know, greater the top 10 are than like courses 50 through 60, maybe, but, uh, I just found that interesting of like, Oh my gosh, yeah, I love Brawra. I love County Sligo. I love West Lanks yet. I don't think there's, you know, even five deep on some of these whole numbers. I don't know if I could nominate any of those specific holes. I just found that part interesting. Yeah. I mean, we go, you know, looking at this, um, I'm 20, I'm 20 nominees deep on the third hole. Yeah. Yeah. I'm 17 nominees deep on the fifth hole, like they're on the sixth hole, like, you know, but, but then I, I only go six nominees deep on the 10th hole. Yeah. Right. I, I, I could do this exercise for another 30 minutes, but I kind of want to get, if you have, if you have 17 nominees on some of these, I think we should be going, uh, with the first hole. Do you have a range? I love them too. Like you could probably find some of these, you know, I know we're going to do a nightmare 18. As well. And some of these holes, like there could be some that are both on the dream 18 and on the night. Interesting. We might need to do a dream, dream wind, dream all kinds of different things for, for UTC as well. Did you pick a range, uh, and a practice screen for this and a clubhouse? Uh, I did. I picked, uh, driving range. I got Sea Island. I love driving range there. That's just killer. You got the big bridge there. Unfortunately, the, uh, the capsized boat isn't turning along. That was always a highlight, but yeah, driving range wise. I think like I looked at Pine Valley. Um, that's does that eliminate, can you not use any Sea Island holes? Then is that if you do use the Valley range? Oh, interesting, interesting. Interesting. So, and then a clubhouse, I've got Shinnecock. I think it's the best clubhouse in the game. So no Shinnecock holes. No Shinnecock holes. The great man, Stanford white as well. And then we've got, uh, for, for a bench, I've got the bench behind 13 T at Don Averty, uh, Jordan's bench. It's just, yeah, that's, that's, that's the spot. Um, yeah. And then I'm trying to think like halfway house. This is where I kind of struggled of like, like, like the Sunnydale half halfway house is, I think the best halfway house in golf and like there's not even a close second, but can I pick that? Because it's not necessary. Like, you know, I want to pick five different holes from something to hold. So, um, you know, that's, that's a tricky one. It's never been open when I've been here and three times in the halfway house. It's never been open. So best, most important skills availability. That's right. It's like, it's like the one at jockey club, the hot dog that Wolfie kept talking about for three or four days. And then it was close. We're crestfallen. All right. TC, take us to the first hole. First hole sandhills. I was, all right. Hell yeah. I know I knew TC's been, he just, it was chappin his ass that sandhills did not make his, his top 10 when we did the, uh, that day, when we did the, uh, TC's personal golf spotlight, I knew he was going to come correct. The, the great par five, one of the greatest holes in the whole world. It's, uh, that makes me, I put this hat on for that exact reason. TC, I was hoping that'd be number one. Yeah. Sandhills, I think the, yeah, great par five, um, you know, you can kind of bite off as much as you want, driving wise, you can bail out, play the hole a variety of different ways. Elevated green, massive, massive bunker short, right? That, that Neil got, uh, duffed by and, and it's just a thrilling hole. And, uh, it's a perfect entrance. Like it, it almost transports you like even if you're kind of, you know, a little, little, little fog gear, a little hazy going into the round. It immediately transports you to that, that place and that routing. So different, uh, different options off the tee, right? I mean, you can, you can play as far right as you want. If you want to have a nice, you know, peaceful, easy feeling, uh, all day, but you can just, God, you can make a three. You could make a 12. It, it, it rules sets the tone for, for the whole course. Uh, gosh, sign me up. Other nominees. I looked at Cal club. I really liked that first hole. Uh, California's got strong first holes. Cal club, bell errors, got a great first hole. Uh, LACC's got a great first hole. Macra, Hanish, you kind of tee off over that little cove there. And like that's, there's a plaque on the, on the first hole that says Jack Nicholas said it's the greatest first hole in all of golf. Mardell, Plata had ruled it out for DC. Mardell, what is a great first hole? Like it's, you want to hold, it's not a pushover that introduces you to the themes that round, but that's not going to knock you in the face either. Um, I'm trying to, which, which I like about sandhills, because if you do get over aggressive, it can knock you in the face. It's a choose your own adventure. Yeah. I'm trying to think of what other people are going to pick. And I just, I already am slotting in Randy at the golf course of Stanford hitting over that road. Uh, I think it's going to be a no brainer first hole for him. Any consideration to the old course there? Yes. That was very much a consideration, but then it takes me away from, like, like I thought about, all right, the anticipation you have for the first tee shot that can't be replicated. And there's not a place in the entire world that I would rather hit the first tee shot, but at the same time it kind of, that, that takes the road hole off equation that takes the Eden hall, the equation, all that stuff. He branches another great one. There we go. That was, that was a killer. He'll, you know, Amon's hall, sheep ranch, like, I think first hole at sheep ranch is probably the best first hole at all abandoned. One of the best first holes in all, all of resort golf pine herds. Like I always dig that first hole too. Yeah. Um, but yeah, I don't know. It's a, I think sand hills just felt like I looked. Few other sand hills, holes made the nominees list, but this one just, just felt right. Just, you know, just feels like it encapsulates the place. I got one more potential recommendation for nominee there. Throw out Lofoten, that, um, that opening tee shot across the ocean there. Drive bull if you want, or like, it could be what I saw you and Neil do. It's a thrill ride, man. It's a thrill ride. I, what did I go? What did I make about a 15 on that hole when I, I lost in my playoff to, to you, solid, I think I won with double. I went back, uh, just made the easiest part of my entire life. Uh, the second time, second time around. I'm very frustrating. Uh, TC last thing I'll say. Uh, also just because you mentioned the transitions, if you take the first hole at sand hills, that means you get the whole cart ride out there through all the wildflowers up through the dunes, past Ben's porch down the hill. I mean, it's a, it's a 15 minute drive of just solitude and anticipation to get to that first tee at TC's dream 18. So I don't know if that factored in, but that just makes me even more excited. That's one of the coolest, coolest parts about playing there. Yeah. And, you know, like, I, I know we're giving up maybe a tee box that's on the putting green, cause that's always a thrill. Uh, you know, like the plantation course at seaside or at a sea island or, you know, they've got that at, yeah, Moraine or the golf club, uh, yeah, places like that, but, but I think I, I'm willing to overlook that based on that, that drive is, is just spectacular. And then you can see coach and all that stuff. So, all right. Number two, I'm fascinated here. I haven't put any, I haven't put nearly, it'd be irresponsible. I know it's hard to venture a guest. I know you're not the biggest, uh, uh, Cabot Cliffs fan ever, but the second hold of Cabo Cliffs is very cool. That's all, that's all my nominees list. That's a very good one. Um, no, what do you got? I've got Royal Melbourne East. Sure. You kind of make that left turn. That's a thrilling, it's a great driving hole. It's a great second shot. It's, it's a stern. It's like, all right, you know what? Like here, like I needed some stern par force looking at everything. Royal Melbourne East, Royal Melbourne West. There's like 10 holes from each of them that, that like made the nominees. And, but this is just such a good, like, this is what we're doing today. This is what this is about. Kind of thing. There's veget, there's great vegetation. You got a cool, cool corner of that property. There's land movement. You know, it's, it's a good transition from Sandhills. Right. You're not going to get anybody the bends sending him from Sandhills. Old code. Yeah, exactly. It's like, you gotta, uh, you got to ease people in. And I think that's part of the, it's part of the routing as well. Yeah. So I think, you know, I'd like, this is a very sand belt heavy list. Um, or at least actually it's really not, I thought I thought it was going to be. There's a lot of, there's a lot of sand belt nominees. I looked also at Woking, Rustic Canyon, number two. I really liked that whole splash world. Mine Valley, uh, Prairie Dunes, really cool. Par three, like straight up the hill. Uh, Colorado golf club is like this tiny little pocket sized par three. Um, that's, that's pretty thrilling. Essex County club, fun one. Muirfield's got a great second hole. Glen's falls, uh, Cabot Cliffs, the Oh, the Ohopee whiskey loop. Uh, again, I didn't know if that was cheating though. Of clothes and then, and then Streamsong black. I think Streamsong black, the second hole there is like, maybe the best whole on property. That's a cool one. I did not think this of all things we've ever done would be like where you restricted yourself. Like, I didn't know if that was cheating, like picking the second hole on the whiskey route. We're trying to play the right way. I would have loved to see a nod for the second hole at Cullen. That par three, like 200 feet straight up in the air. There's other holes that I thought about it. Can't box myself in. Also, I don't even want to walk that one every day. You know, that's, that's tough. This made me think of Rome, Elbron, East, the first hole as a nominee as well. I hadn't fully, fully thought of that one. But God, all right, we're off to a great start. You know, Sally, Sally, I could have gotten really scummy and gone with like the six different iterations of the composite course of Rome, Elbron. That's true. Technically in 1978, this was the second hole. That would have been scummy. Exactly. You know, I thought about like even like Dornick, that, that, that second hole of part three, but at the end of the day, I'm like, no, that's probably more of like a nightmare 18. Yeah. I mean, like a 15 there. Dornick was one on the list too of like, man, it's one of the best golf course I've ever played. I struggled to find a hole that I would dominate all the way to the top. I'll see if we'll get there. But like. I had, I had, I've got like three or four holes for Dornick. You know, in the conversation, I had one that was, that was far and away. Okay. Third hole, Royal Adelaide. Yeah. Three. Hell yeah. Three was really, really tough. Kingston Heath, Rome, Elbron West. Another woking one. Pinehurst. Shisken. Was Pinehurst. Yeah. Pinehurst was on there. Cow Club, Placitiempo. Great, great third hole that, you know, long three, short four. Whatever you want to call it. Uh, Oakwantz, number three, NGLA, Terri Eadie, Rome, Elbron West, Fishers Island, uh, Splashworld. Jack's Beach. Yeah. Jack, I mean, there you go. Jack's Beach. Old Mac. Cabot links. Uh, that was another one. What's the 30 Cabot links? It's a shorter four. There's like a estuary or like a little lake down on the right. And you can either drive it up close to the green or you can bail out left, but then you have kind of a treacherous second shot in. It's just like a really well designed hole out to the ocean. Kind of first, first time being out there at the ocean. Yeah. Oh, it's a cool one. But yeah. A little honorable mention. Royal Adelaide. Yeah. Yeah. That's a good one. Yeah. What do you, what do you love about Royal Adelaide? What, why was this the, I mean, you, you know, like the way it uses the land, A, you're right there by the clubhouse. It almost feels like a, you know, like, like the first two holes are almost a preview and then you get to three T and you get the train line there and you get that little grass berm in front of the green. You could play it with, I mean, you could hit eight iron off that T. You could hit driver off that T and you could hit everything in between. I think I love optionality. I love short par fours. You'll see that's a big, uh, theme of today's round, today's tasting menu. Guys. And, uh, but like, I think also it's a cool green. Like you can play radically different, different days, putting them on where the pin is. Uh, and you can also make like a seven or an eight there. If you're, if you're not careful, like if you're over aggressive, definitely. Get the, the, the, a flaw in short forest can be like modern technology just teaches you like get close to the green and, and figure it out. And like, you can trick yourself on a lot of holes into thinking, no, I want a full shot into this one. When three out is like, no, you don't do it. Just like even like being 50 yards away, you're, you're, there's more likely to make a four than when you're a hundred yards away. That is one hole that I'm like, after playing it, I hit driver, tried to hit up by the green, hit it in the rough. And I was like, I should have hit six iron. I honestly should have. And, uh, it was one of the few holes of, of like short par fours I've ever played where I felt that strongly about it afterwards. Believe you call me, believe you call me Zach Johnson when I hit six iron off that memory serves. I stand by that. Yeah. Definition of a simple, not easy. You know, this, I remember you guys, uh, saying this after when we, we made our tour sauce episode there too. It's just, we can do this elsewhere. That's not hard. This is not that hard, man. It's the land is great. And the up and over is very cool and the green side's cool, but it's not impossible to find another place to put one of those, you know? Yeah. Great pick. Like, I think I like above ground hazards too. I think they're under, they're underutilized. Everybody just uses bunkers or like, I don't know. I like weird shit. Right. So, um, and I think after two longer holes, it's nice to have a shorter one. You know, to really, all right. You know what? Like you're looking forward to that one. Yeah. After you're, after really trying to survive on, on number two at, at, uh, RM East and then, you know, you get to pop, you get to walk by and see all the guys that are hanging out on the, on the, on that brilliant porch they've got there. Uh, it's great. It's just, yeah, there's not a whole lot of better places to get a beer in the world than there. So, um, at LaGrange across the street. The watering well. Guys, I'm going completely off the, off the board for number four. Neither of you have ever played this course before. Yeah. Uh, many, I don't think that many Americans have ever played this course before. We're going to, we're going to the Ayrshire coast of Scotland and we're going to Irvine bog side. I have not stopped thinking about this whole since, since I played it almost two years ago. Um, it is, it's a short par for James braid design. Uh, I want both of you to pull it up on Google maps. It's, uh, Bogside. Yeah. Just Irvine golf club and, and. You know, it's, it's, it's literally next to a blog. That's why they call it. That makes sense. Great man, James braid. One of my favorites. So you'll see the clubhouse there and then just below the clubhouse, south of the clubhouse, you'll see a par four that goes out to the river. Right along the, the, the, right along the railway. Yes. And if you zoom in on the green, you see that there's a wall next to the green and I mean trains go by like every 10 minutes and there's just. Like fast trains that are going down to Trune or going down to, uh, you know, down the coast, ripping by there, they rumble the green, they rumble. And it's like, it's a short par four. It's, you can hit driver and try to get it on the green and, um, run the risk of going out of bounds left, going over the wall, going up against the wall, or you can bail out right. And then you've got this uphill chip without a bounds long and this wall long. It's, it's one of the most brilliant holes in the world. And I was blown away that like, I'd never heard of it before. I'd never, this whole place kind of rules. And it's like a, it's probably like a 60, 60 pound round the golf. Um, it's, it's spectacular. God, this is the, this is the goal man for learning stuff. We're not just playing the hits. I, I love this. T C these are flavors I wasn't even familiar with. That's why I came to the restaurant. And I'm stunned because the fourth hole is probably one of the most depth, uh, probably the one of the strongest depth, uh, of any hole out there. At least like, I thought of a bunch of fourth holes that I think could easily fit the bill. St. George's Hill was, was in the mix. I think once Brian Schneider gets done with that, I think it'll be even better. TPC Sawgrass band and trails, uh, woking with its third nomination of the day. Your four holes, sandhills, uh, NGLA again, Rome, Melbourne West, uh, Fishers Island, Splash World, the Valley Club, Springfield, Country Club in Ohio, abandoned dunes. Um, any other ones? So the Hinch, the Klondike is up there. Yeah. Valley Bunyan, fourth by Bunyan along the coast there. Um, uh, Pacific dunes, people love it. It's not my favorite hole, but yeah. Gosh, I mean, I love it. I just, like we may have to stop by this, this fourth hole at Irvine at some point, just so you guys can see it. And it's the same train line that, that, you know, runs next to, to Trune runs next to, you know, all these other courses on that, on that coastline. And, uh, here, I'll, I'll send you guys the, um, it's called the Moor. The name of the hole. And here I'll send you the link real quick in the chat. There's a great bridge right behind the hole. Like one of those kind of old school, you know, 1800 style. Oh yeah. Looks like an aqueduct of us. Yeah. I saw it's truly like a, it's, it's a continuation of the simple, not easy theme of these two holes in a row. Uh, three at, at Royal Adelaide and then four. I love, I love that you have one that kind of goes a little left, one that goes a little right too, you know, or kind of one where you're, you're playing left to right, one where you're playing right to left. It's kind of a fun little back to back. I can't look at that footage right now. It just makes me want to get off way too much. I can't do that right now. Yeah. This is a good pick. You got a great skyline here that you're looking out at great river behind train. Anytime you work in any kind of infrastructure, I know that's double points. Exactly. So this is a great pick. Exactly. There's a, like there's a great overhead view of it on their, their site too. Just all these drone shots as well. That's, it's awesome. You're, you're making me want to play golf TC 51 degrees outside right now. We get, we might have to wrap up this tree mateens. I can go hit some balls after this. This is, this is a good sign. I want to give a shout out to our friends at row back. If you are a watcher of this podcast, or if you see any of our content, you are going to see this subtle dog logo in a lot of it and a lot of that content. That's because they make fantastic stuff all through the bag. 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Crystal Downs, like one of the coolest fifth holes in the world with this wacky Mackenzie Green. Frederick Peake. Which one was the fifth? Was that the downhill part? That was cool. Wild Horse, Bannon Trails, Ohopey and Dunn Averty. No, I mean, Pine Valley's gotta be on the list. Par three. Yeah. I don't, I just don't want to play that every day. It's hard. It is hard. That would be a lot of basically three and a half's in a row. Yeah. Did you say LaHinch? I didn't say LaHinch. LaHinch is one that I need to go back and play there again. He hates lunch-outs. No, I love LaHinch. I get to have Huey on the bag. If I, you know, if we go back there, it's only for a hole. But LaHinch is just like LaHinch, Mirror Field. There's a few other places that, like the totality of the place exceeds the singular holes. Like I looked at the Dell hole or the Klondike or LaHinch. I was actually more taken by the stuff right after that, like six, seven, eight, nine. I loved. This is a no-brainer, T.C. I mean, the cliches are cliches for a reason, right? This one's gotta be on the list, especially coming after your expedition to Western Scotland and going way off the board. You gotta snap people back in. Exactly. And it's always good to get the good doctor involved. And, you know, being in trails, it's like an homage to the OG at, you know, at RM West. So T.C. signature hole. Listen, there's some people that are gonna say that we're getting too wacky in this opening stretch. We're going back to back par threes, though. All right. Can't do that. Sixth hole, part three. We're going back to back short floors and then back to back part threes right after that. So four one-shotters in a row. Dornak. Oh yeah. Good guess. It's a no-brainer. I mean, I love the fifth hole at Dornak as well, but the sixth hole, like I'm just, I think about that shot a lot. And it's, it's, you want to talk about consequential swings. Like you could wreck your round there very, very early in, you know, getting that, getting that front right bunker, one of those front bunkers or miss long left and you're putting it off green. Like there's just a lot of downside risk there. And it's truly one of those holes that makes you pucker. I hope we're playing the footage right now. Of what then three of us birdie it during Torah saw some of them there in 2018. They call four of us hit the green. Yeah. Two. It's a, yeah. Again, no notes T.C. This is, this is great. Imagine coming through that. You got Randy reading from the book of yardage on that T-box. What are your nominees here? Cause this is, this is an interesting one, I think too. I've got LA CC, one of the, you know, we, we could go three four fours in a row. We've got, it's a play, might be a visible out here. Oh, for sure. He's the only one playing the course. It's just dream. We've got Ealy. We've got Cardinusty, Schisken, Corey, Hanmure, very, very Scottish here. County Sligo, RM West, another one for that. La Hinch, Essex County club, Mammoth dunes. That's the one with that. Boomerang, green, the creek, great, great hold out down the hill there. And then tree farm as well. No pebble mention. No pebble mention. No, we're just not going to do that. I want to stop. We'll worry about, it's not what we're about, man. T.C.'s going to be alive. If they want to improve that hole or, or, you know, make that, that left hillside off the tee, if they want to make that out of bounds, then we can talk about it. Or if they want to put six tee back where five green is, we can talk about that too. And you hit over the, the, the Cove, but until they, they kind of rethink things a little bit over there, they're not getting any mentions. I'd love to see you maybe buy that land left of six T.C. and put up either a housing or maybe an office park or something that we could, we could make that OB. Cause it's, yeah, it's just abysmal as it is. There's just no reason to ever even get close to the water there. We could bring the Fawze in and do a whole waterfall complex over there. That could be good. Yeah. So any other nominees or six? No, that, did you say pack dunes? I didn't say pack dunes, but that's a good, that's a good shout. One of Neil's weirdest analogies ever that somehow works. Looks like somebody wearing a tuxedo backwards. It almost makes a little sense that it makes sense. That's, yeah, that's a perfect, perfect one. There's certain like, I felt like Shinnecock and National and Chicago Golf Club to an extent, like there's so many holes that could be nominated, but there, like there's just so many like eats. You know what I mean? That's kind of what I meant earlier. Just like some of these, you know, there's a lot of really good solid floors, but not a lot, not a lot of stuff that melts your brain. Like the fourth at Irvine that you can't stop thinking about, you know? Yeah. I'm looking for like wildly distinctive stuff that's just either completely best in class or something that you're never going to see anywhere else. You know, yeah, I forget if it was on your shortlist, but you kind of mentioned already, LeHansh would be the other deputy. Yeah. I threw out. Uh, all right. Got like another reason why, you know, we couldn't go with, with LACC there was cause we're going, we've got another short for number seven. So you know what this one is. Terriity. Yes. Correct. I mean, it's just, that's like, if that's, that's in the top three of like, if you gave me one hole to play for the rest of my life, it's, it's that one. Just, you know, like, I don't know. The wind can change. You come back to the clubhouse. The clubhouse is, is, is on this little shelf right above the hole. There's this massive tree left to the green. You've got, you know, Neil, Neil blew it up under the clubhouse deck. Like two days in a row there and he has to hit this massive, like 60 yard flop. God, he had to walk all the way around to get up there. It took him five minutes. Um, it's a great, it's a great shootout hole. Tiny green. I love tiny greens. Like I like stuff that really puts the fear of God and you're like, all right, this is a, this is a drivable four, but you gotta earn your way on. You gotta take it on. It's not like a given. You're just going to get on even if you're right next to it. I like that too. Yeah. And just, you know, this setting, you're not there right on the ocean, but you just, it's, it's there and it's kind of at your back and you've played great holes and you got great stuff to look forward to as well. So, uh, I looked also at Cyprus, this one, that part three, you know, over seven Cyprus is great. Suttingdale old, uh, one of the best kind of lined up and over holes in the world. Done bar, um, some weird stuff with the wall there, a little dog leg, right. County slago really liked that stretch of the course as well. That burn kind of running through there. Crystal downs and GLA, Sweden's Cove, the seventh hole, brilliant, brilliant seventh hole, kind of the one, the one hole that there's nothing to help you on any side of it. You're just out there without a parachute or without a life jacket on. Um, La Hinch, Pac Dunes, sand valley. And, uh, I put the tree phone one there too. I think the two, two strongest holes of the tree, former six and seven. So, um, yeah, there you go. But yeah, I mean, we've got, you know, we've, we've got drivable fours at three, four and seven and we've got part threes at five and six. So this thing's a thrill ride. It's like you're 2800 yard front nine that you can shoot for. T.C. is going to shoot 62, but it doesn't have a course rate. Can't enter it. Can't do it. Yeah. Number eight. We're going to splash world going to pine valley. This one's, this one's got the double green. Not long either. Right. No, it's not. It's gotta be what? Sub, sub four yards and two greens for the price of a lot though is huge. That's good value. You hit the halfway house before that hole too. Don't you? I think so. Yeah. So you got to get the two, two, three, four, five, six, six, seven, eight. Yeah. So you got, you know, you can pop in there, grab a small bite and, and you hop into a little, the little, you know, windmill thing there and then splash rules, pun valley for those that are not, not tracking that. You know, sometimes I'm not a huge fan of double, like of having not a double green, but like having two greens for the same hole. This one, I feel like both greens are exceptional and it's we're really getting like 10 different holes in one here. Yeah. This is good value for the members here. This is doing the most with a small flip for it. I love it. Just a, yeah, thrilling second shot and you get two of them is, is it's hard to beat because I love like beyond, uh, short fours. I love consequential. Short two shot fours, like 16 at pasta, Tiempo is another one where like, I'm thinking about that wedge shot from the moment I tee off or even the night before, you know, number, number four at saugrass is the same thing. There's, I like, I love having a wedge in my hand and, but, but at the same time, having the fear of God in me. Oh, I love it. Be sick. If you went, uh, number nine at, uh, packed dunes after this so that you got four greens and two holes. Uh, I looked at car, new Steve, I looked at the Eden course again, that that crossing part threes. Uh, Harry Colt had my heart there. Looked at Trun, New Zealand golf club, Mardell, Plata, Pinehurst. Uh, great. You know, that's kind of that four and a half. It defies what I think about Pinehurst. Yeah. Cypress point, uh, you know, up there to, uh, uh, to, you know, the great man's house up there, kind of the center of the maze, Crystal Downs, uh, great par five up the hill. And then, um, Colorado golf club was another one short, short four as well. So, but yeah, I mean, it's all anything I'm missing there as far as I struggle with this one a little bit and I didn't get very far in my exercise, but Crudin Bay, I thought was a little bit of a mention though, four there in the bottom of the dune, uh, drive before that we are drawn to the driveable force. I know, but yeah. And that would be three, that would be too many for driveable holes and six holes. Oh, T.C. I know I'm being a simp here, but the eighth hole of Pebble Beach is pretty fucking cool, man. I don't know. It's, it's pretty cool. I would put nine ahead of eight personally at Poble Beach, but eight's pretty cool. It's cool. It's pretty cool. It's pretty cool. Uh, I'll just, I'll throw that so we don't get sued. You know, we got to, we got to, why it's just feel like we maybe have to mention that one in the eighth hole. Yeah. Yeah. That's fair. That's fair. Um, and the other reason why we couldn't go with a, with a short four, uh, number eight is cause I've got one at number nine. That's, that's Ely. Oh, Ely over the, uh, uh, you know, over the hill there, you like, you crest the hill and then you come to T.C. T.C. That's 10. Oh, is that 10? Oh no. Oh no. Oh God. Whoa. All right. Well, then we're going to put Cypress in. Uh, does that change anything downstream? No, no, there was not a Cypress hole on here. Oh my God. That just puts so much pressure on 10. There's no, but there's no, there's no Ely now. Yeah. Oh man. Oh, that would have been such a good pick too. Down to the ocean. Oh yeah. We might, we might still have to do it to them. Get the kids out there, just rolling balls, you know, see it how close they can roll it from a hundred yards away. That's, uh, that's just, I hate this for you, man. This is devastating. All right. All right. Well, let's go through. I, I nominated Kingsley. Everybody's take home. You know that. Part three, part three of Pioneer's, uh, St. George's Hill. It's a great ninth hole there up back to that clubhouse. Royal Litham, uh, Terri Edie, Pinnock, Myopia, Fisher's Island. Um, we're going to, we're going to go with, we're going to go with Cypress. I think Cypress, Cypress wins the day. It's Bryson's favorite. I think it's his favorite hole in the world. One of my favorite holes in the world. And now, now it is part of the part of the dream. What is favorite holes in the world, but not part of his dream 18 originally? God, now, now we're in a real pickle here on 10. What was 10 and does it change to Ely 10? It was positive tempo 10 because I feel like when you play, when you step onto that, it's a big walk up to the 10th hole. Like it's big walk up the ninth hole, long par four. And then you walk up this big hill and nine to five. At Pasa, yeah. Okay. Big up the hill. You're right. Yeah. Yeah. Um, I think they play it as a four in the, in the collegiate. But you know, you walk up that big hill and then you get to the back nine, you cross the street, you get to the back nine and it's like entering a different portal. Like I feel like I'm just going into a different place and time. And the, the, I think the energy back there is, is just one of one. And there's this little house on the left, on the, on the, the left side of the hole there, right on the dog leg, big tree there. Like that's, I think that's like my spiritual resting place that, that thing. It's a big brawny par four, which we need a little bit of. Crazy that I've only played this golf course one time and I know exactly the house you're talking about. I could, I could still picture it. The great green, you know, but guys, they've, they've redone the place. They've restored it. Jim, Jim, or Bina, uh, and I, I, I haven't been there since they redid it. So I, I can't say for certain. Plus I feel like we need another drivable four. And so we're going to Ealy. Yeah. I think it's a no braider. Yeah. Yeah. The second, the second James braid nomination here. I looked also at something to go old, the jockey club at Boomerang. Like elevated Boomerang green there, Splash world, Kingston, Heath, little part three there, Royal Melbourne East, the park. So I thought, I think that like up and over love that whole. Um, but, but Ealy man, like on a clear day when you crest that hill and you can either bang one, you know, bang driver and just figure out, all right, like it could go long of the green. It could, you know, you may not find it. You, you could make a hole in one. Um, but it's just, it's a thrilling reveal. I've sat at the top of that, that hill, many, like, probably three different times and just hit putts in the top and tried to make them from a hundred yards out. Uh, it's, I don't know. I, I love Ealy and I wanted, I wanted Ealy to have a place on this list. Cause I just, I love the place. This is a great, great selection, TC, even with the rejiggering that, that had to go on to do it. Uh, will you make people wear a tall socks when they play this whole? I know the club has kind of gone away from this rule, uh, but I just didn't know if you, as a history, respecter, I don't know if you would allow shorts. If you'd allow low socks, what your philosophy is there. I will. I think, I think we have to stick with tradition. At least you, you have to wear high socks for the tee shot. Once you get over the hill, you can pull them down because we won't be able to see you from the periscope and make sure you put your crocs on after that. You go barefoot, right? Oh, it's such a cool man. Down to the water, you see 11, 12, the whole corner down there. It's, oh, look across the fur. Yeah. It's killer. You got some infrastructure out there. You got the, got the oil rigs and all that stuff. So, uh, 11, we're going to the old course boys. I hope so. Um, you know, that's, I just, I love that. Oh, I love being all the way out there on the, on the estuary. You're, you're mad about the road. Oh, well, I mean, he's like his favorite hole in the world, but not necessarily on the dream 18. Yeah. I mean, I probably want to put pebble in there. That's probably why for seven. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Pebble or sawgrass or something like that. No, I think I don't know. I just, it's a thrilling shot. I'm just thinking of like, like, I love hitting over the old course hotel and all of that, but like, I just liked the feeling of being as far away from the clubhouse as possible. That's the last shot you hit before you start making your way in, you know, it's, I don't know. It's just, it's among the most thrilling singular shots in golf. You get it downwind and it feels impossible. You get it into the wind. It feels even harder. It is just, it's the, uh, I made two there once and it's the only time that I've ever been like, man, you can play this game. You know, that was the most well earned. You can do this. You can do this player. This is the most well earned to you have ever made your whole life. You're going to carry that one with you forever. I had like a four iron. It was playing like one 65 or something. Like it was just a two 10 shot into the wind up there. Somehow just held it again. I remember everything about it. And it was like that I've also made eight there, you know, and it's just is, I see where you're going for. I feel like we needed a girthy par three that makes it really, really lock in. Yeah. I'm interested for make up some yardage here on these last seven. Oh, yeah, there's, yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's just Colorado yardage is a construct. No, I got no problem with it. I'm just curious. I'm curious if you're going to bend to the, uh, you know, the conventional wisdom. Yeah. I mean, what, you know, what else do you guys have as far as, as far as nominees there? I mean, also would be a nominee here. Right. I hadn't gotten that far. I liked broom sedge. 11th came to mind. Well, 11 or 11 or 11. Sorry. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Plus is plus is cool. It's a cool. Yeah. I had broom sedges. Just something that came to mind a little postage stand. Part three kind of an inverse of the, of the trune, uh, part three really cool bunkering there was just something that came to mind. I hadn't put a lot of thought into 11 yet, but I had royal Adelaide on there. That's a. The Corey home. Corey. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's cool. Um, it's harder than I thought 11 little harder than I thought. Uh, country called a Charleston that part three, the redan part three there. Good one. Um, I've got Sonningdale old, uh, that's, you know, just that's a, that's a pretty killer short for like a drivable four. But listen, I think we've over indexed on drivable. Maybe too many on your part at this point. Yeah. We got to move off of that. St. George's Hill. Um, that's a really great part three. I think it'll be even better once they kind of expand the green back out. Terry, Edie that par five down to the back down to the water there. Um, Pinnacleck don't have to explain that. Oh yeah. You guys, uh, Essex County, another great part three Oakmont, shore acres, La Hinch, Valley Bunyan and mid pines. All the other ones I had there. Mid pines, another great, great par three there. Feels so sand belty. I always forget about mid pines. I know. Yeah. Um, but yeah, I just, I don't know. I love, I love that. I love that all with the old course. It's, it's, I don't even think it's my favorite hole at the old course, but I think it's, it's got a place here. Cause I think it's, it's like one of the quintessential par threes in old golf. As, as we said, it puts a lot of pressure on 17, but that's what we'll cross that bridge when we get there. We're going to Sunningdale, number 12, Sunningdale old. Uh, it's really like just handsome, handsome golf hole. Wanted to get some Heather involved here. Wanted to get it's, it's 450 from the tips. Uh, get a little bit of length going. There's, there's kind of multiple, multiple ways to get to the hole. Uh, you got the cross bunkers. I love a good set of cross bunkers there. And then you've got the, this, this knob short, right? That's, it's just a gorgeous knob, cool green kind of benched into the hillside. I love a good knob. That was why number nine at St. George's Hill was on there. There's this left hole location that's got a knob that obviously core, you know, core cranshaw, big knob guys as well. Yeah. Big knob, big knob guys. Sully, any, any complaints with that or? No, no, this is your list. I'm not going to complain about any of your nominations. All right. I might raise a couple of questions, but this is, this is not one that we're going to pick apart. I would throw, throw Aaron Hills. I love the 12th hole at Aaron Hills kind of around, around the big, uh, giant mounds, big giant knobs, kind of knobs. Here we go. Yeah. Uh, Ely was another nomination. Oh, really good one. You got that whole number, right? But you didn't, I know, I know. It does feel like that should be the ninth hole at Ely. I will give you that. And I've, I've thought of that before, but Ely, yeah, that's a really good one. Ely, that, that, that is, uh, one of the best holes I've ever played. We considered it, um, Bel Air. That's the, that's the, um, May West, whole County, Slago, Lacumbre. That's the 66 yard par three length. Uh, Southern Hills, number 12 is, is awesome. Uh, wild horse. And then I've got Splash world as well. Splash world 12 is, is out of this world, but again, short par four. Yeah. Kind of, kind of, you know, it's true. Spit the bed on that. And the fo, isn't the foz mess up all the bunker sand and everything. I don't mind. Yeah. I don't mind the fauze. It's a good pine valley is, is people say that's the worst hole at pine valley. It's again, could make my team. I think 14s or a solo pine valley. Yeah. I love you there. Not close. This spring, the no-lang up crew has some travel to England. I would say coming up as we're listening to this, it's, it, we're already over there. I'm leaving here in a couple of hours. Uh, as I mentioned, if you're like us and if you're traveling for golf this year, you have to check out our friends at club glove for all your golf travel needs. The club glove traveler is the number one golf travel bag on tour because it's engineered with tons of features that deliver unrivaled protection for your equipment from the valour line padded club head area to the stiff arm, the built in TSA lock and many more. I never worry about my clubs getting their one piece because I know they're protected in my club glove bag for a limited time. Our friends at club glove are adding a complimentary valuables pouch into every order when you use code NLU at club glove.com. So get a complimentary gift and get the best in golf travel gear when you use code NLU at clubglovegolf.com today. Back to the pod. 13. I feel like we're on a brawler. Okay. God, I've only three. A little part three over the creek there. I again, guys, there's it's not the best hole. It's not. I just that setting of there's a little bridge. There's it's just, I don't, it's like this. I can't explain it. It's just the way that standing on that T box, I've stood on that T box twice in my life and that whole occupies so much. Space in my psyche of it's just like the most pastoral, gorgeous scene. I think last time there was a rainbow going behind there. There was sheep. Great. I don't think they have the sheep anymore, but there was sheep grazing there. You're looking back north and then you kind of, you know, and you kind of turn back around, but it's just a gorgeous setting. I can't argue with any of that. I mean, that's a, that's a, that's an endorsement there. I don't know. I mean, maybe if they don't have the sheep, this doesn't matter, but I was curious if you have to run electrical lines for the, for the fences around the greens, uh, if that's a one off job, you got to run out there, but might not be an issue anymore. Yeah. I don't, I don't think it's an issue anymore. I think, uh, and you know, part of the reason when I chose this, you get to go see the great man, Malcolm Murray, when you're up Rora, I guess he's going down to Tain, to be, to be the club pro down there. Congrats to him. But, um, you know, that was, that was part of the, part of the reasoning as well. I looked also at Cyprus. I love that 13th hole before you get, you know, you kind of make yourself looking ahead and you're like, Oh my God, this is, this is as good as anything. 15, 16, 17, um, Ely, like that was back to back. Uh, holes there at Ely. I love 13 as well. The hinge, uh, North Barrack, DJ, I know that one speaks to you for sure. You know, maybe a miss on my end, but you'll, we've got a North Barrack hole coming up. Okay. Um, Presswick, Harbor town, the bulkhead. Oh, it's a good one. Our four at Harbor town there. I know you love the part three sawgrass. We've just had a sawgrass out a bunch. It's a good one. Yeah. It's a good one. I don't think it may quite made this list. Pack dunes, 13th hole. Sawgrass one is in the shadow of the, you know, everything you just said about the pastoral setting and rainbow that the sawgrass one does back up to the sawgrass Marriott, which I thought could have, could have. Yeah. Yeah. I'm such an idiot. I was like 13 North Barrack, which one's that one? I know 14. Oh my God. Again, a shorter par four. Um, I just, I think there's a better hole there in North Barrack. So anything I'm missing 13 was. Sorry. What was the actual selection? We've said a lot of 13th holes in the actual was that's right. That's right. So was it not for everybody, but no, this is your list. It's your list, dog. It's your list. Yeah. I love it. For now. I'm curious where the next, the next like five holes. I am extremely curious. We haven't had a par five since the first hole, right? We have not. It's a, I don't know if we're going to get another one. I know he's bucking. You know, five parts. I finished par five, five par five. I love par fives. I know he doesn't have any though. You know, gosh, you know what? I hope you pick TC just because you don't think I'm going to pick another short par four, uh, bated trails and trails. I did not take that. No, this has got to be North Barrack. No. Hmm. Let's go on 16 at North Barrack. I would have thought Dornick would have got a nomination here, but you already burned that one. Um, is it in Scotland? It's not in Scotland. It's in England. 14. Well, he Barksher, I'm trying to get what you play. Oh, we could be up in the Northwest. So Burkdale, Lake Latham. It's woking. Ah, woking in a lot of nominees or five. Uh, you got a pretty, it's pretty simple. Like it's, it's hemmed in by trees. I don't feel like we've had, we've kind of gone to the Heathland with, with the 12th hole, a little bit more Heathland with the 14th hole. You got the Heather blooming and it goes, it's a par five that goes back to the clubhouse and there's people just having PIMS cups, bobbinels on the veranda out there. No, you're a bobbinel guy. Huge bobbinel guy. And you've got a sea of Ivy or of a Heather there kind of up the right side. You've got some brilliant, brilliant, uh, you know, bunkering there short, right? It's, I don't know. I think it's just everything that I want Heathland golf to be. And I wanted to make sure that, that like, I haven't, I think in three years when I do this list, the Heathland stuff will probably be better represented than it currently is, but I wanted to make sure that woking is on here. Cause I think it's such an important club in the history of like the game and golf course architecture. And I think it's just often overlooked. And, um, yeah, it's not a, not a necessarily remarkable piece of land, which I think is what I like about it. It's greater than some of its parts and, and, um, you know, just willing to do different, like try weird shit, uh, back in the day. The, uh, and Tom Simpson had a hand in it. You're making me want to go see a lot of places I haven't seen, you know, which I think is the goal of, uh, I keep pulling up Heathland websites and that's the worst thing you could do. Like it's just, that is the, the pictures of golf courses that make you want to play the most are I think they're Heathland. Yeah. I mean, are you on the, the, uh, woking website? Do you see that? Yeah, I'm looking at the, well, yeah, I can't quite, yeah. Par five, five hundred and sixty yards, a couple of cool cross. Yeah. Nothing like that remarkable about it, but it's just like substance and meat. You know, it's like you got to eat your, like you're eating your vegetables. So, um, yeah, I think otherwise looking at it, Kingston Heath was certainly in the mix. It's a great, great hole kind of up it over there. Uh, Royal Dornock, you said it, uh, the old course, um, you know, from a, from a par five perspective there, you look at car, new Steve, um, corn, the wild Atlantic dunes course again, didn't know where to put that. Uh, so I just slotted it in there. County Slago, pasta, tempo, great 14th hole, pasta, tempo, media par four with the, with the short grass kind of, um, not ravine, but you call it. Trench. Yeah. Sandhills, great 14th hole at Sandhills, friars head, wild horse, wild horse getting a lot of love it, you know, a lot of gnomes here, valley club. Um, yeah. So that's 14. So you haven't, you haven't Northbarack hole. It's 15. Right. It's gonna be the redand. It's not 15. Really? I'd be 16, but I can't, isn't 16, isn't gonna pick pasta, tempo? I have. Well, no, well, I already had pasta. Oh, that's right. That's right. That's right. Okay. Yeah. 15 is not, not Northbarack. Yeah. Hmm. I can't keep track of what's been picked. I know. On the West coast, it's, it's a great green site. It's maybe not the most spectacular hole, even on that golf course, but it's banded trails. Um, sure. I just love that hole. Yeah. Love that. Right. It's a great green site. It's just the green sites situated back in that little corner there that, that gets skinnier and skinnier, the deeper into it, you get again, it's just a, just a substantive to bad ass shots. Hmm. You know, that's a, that's a great one. A grower. I did. I did. Yeah. Yeah. Just waiting for somebody to bring that up. I also know. I had to think about it. Did I? Yeah, I think I did actually. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, I've got Cypress Point as a nominee. I, I sure. It's good one. For the 15th hole versus the 16th hole. Uh, there I've got Dunbar. I've got Terry Eady. Uh, great. Hard par three. They're Kingsley club. Awesome hole. Yeah. I was waiting for a Kingsley, a Kingsley mention. Uh, Chambers Bay, the part three, you know, to out towards, out towards the water, the lone tree, right? Yeah. Uh, yeah, I have to bring up splash world. It's the one of the few remaining actual part of the world. Danger par fives. Uh, shore acres, great hole. They've short for Victoria, Siley. Hmm. Oh God. Yeah. That one's, that's going to be mine. I'll just call that right now. Oh my God. That whole rules is keeping with the, the concepts of like holes that go back to the clubhouse, but aren't nine or 18 valley club. They fan there. Um, and then I've got Muirfield. I've got Cabot Cliffs that par five with a little knob in the front of the green. And then mid pines as well. So kind of a ball splitter there. Yeah. Cabot Cliffs. I have to revisit so many of these golf. I don't, the holes are not rolling off my, uh, you're rolling into my head nearly as fast as I would like them to be. I know. That's why this is a good motivational pod. Yeah. But like, but truly like maybe tomorrow and like a sadistic shitty mood. And I get, you know, there's, it's a totally different list. Well, you change one thing and it can impact the whole rest of it. It makes it interesting. Outstream effects. Yeah. Uh, so 16, we're going to North Barrack. I love the 16th hole at North Barrack. If anybody built that green today, like they would be in Samaritan. Silent. Yeah. And it's like thrilling. You got a little wall to hit over, you know, anytime you can implement walls is good. It's, uh, I love North Barrack, obviously would be probably my, uh, fourth or fifth choice from North Barrack, which is very sick that like you can go four or five deep and still find one that, that makes its way onto a dream 18. It's, that's, I love it. You don't have, like I'm trying to think if you have, you don't have too many, uh, just insane, oh greens either. Exactly. You know, it's a good, yeah, it fits for the same reason it fits. Exactly. Exactly. Obviously Cyprus gets a mention here. Um, First gets a mention, Rome over at East gets a mention that part three, just one of the most proper part threes in the world. The old course gets a mention. I think 16 often gets underrated. Uh, you know, they're in the shadow of 17. Uh, I've got dumb bar as well. Awesome little old there, jockey club. But the thing with dumb bar too is they're redoing the routing. They're building a clubhouse. Do you get grand father? I don't know. Yes. I was worried about that. That's very ethical. Ethical to avoid jockey clubs, the one with those crazy land forms. It kind of looks like eight at Augusta. Um, banded. Oh. Um, I didn't have banded on here actually. Um, but yeah, 16 abandoned that would, that would, that would track. Get to get another short far short for the bad guy in here. Passatiempo. Yeah. I mean, maybe top five favorite hole in the world, but not on my dream 18. Sure. Um, but again, haven't played it since they, since they redid it. So I don't know if they've, they've neutered it or, or taking it down a notch or anything. Uh, 16 at sandhills. You know, cool, very, very. Bond hole, uh, kind of has, has my number. I was going to say that's your, uh, that's your kind of your nemesis from last time. Thrilling drive, thrilling second shot. Yeah. And kind of the originator of the core Crenshaw knob. From the green ball splitter. Yeah. Uh, may recency bias and pressure to throw himself for 15 as well, but cost of the compo, both 15 and 16 stuck out to me of just amazing Pete die holes in the ocean. Yeah. Yeah. So that's kind of, I'd Shinnecock a few other ones on Long Island for there, but yeah, 16 at North Barrack. I just, when I think about that golf course, I just think that sideways beer, you know, diagonal beer, it's whole that went unosympic basically. It's just like the shrunken version of the beer. It's really, really extreme. Uh, I love it. I love it. Where are we next? 17 is a little bit of a curveball, but I know the feeling of, I get when I stand on that T box and also when I hit this, this second shot. So we've got four par fours in a row coming down the stretch. Actually five par fours. Oh, sorry. Four par fours in a row. One on the stretch. So only two par fives on this course, four par threes. What country are we in? We're in the United States. It's how he feels. Played there in the last four months, five months. I have played a lot of golf in the last four or five months. Uh, Hoopie. Yeah. Oh, I love it. That holds it. Great. Hold absolute. So cool. Oh wow. Yeah. So cool. Great green. So much bad stuff that can happen. She's lined up in one of those soft bunkers up there, but very, very much a do or die kind of match play hole, obviously. Uh, but the, uh, yeah, the second shot is so fun. You can really choose your adventure off the T great, uh, great trees up there by the, by the T, you know, the lot of like the way all those, all those, a, uh, prairie dunes thing. Yeah. The way all those teas are stacked there and you can kind of choose your, you know, choose your direction of where you want to go from. Uh, it's a great. Trying to go in from the Savannah portion of the property like that, you know, grass, see the zebra in the back room. Yeah. Out to, you know, the thrilling little hole right there in front of it to, you know, back into the woods and stuff. I love that choice. To walk through a bunker up to the green. That's, that's cool. There's that dune feature that comes out on the right, you know, from right to left, you can lay as far left as you want, but you're kind of pushing the, the challenge off to the second shot, which I don't think you want to do there. Um, there's that little like post. I, I, uh, like the details, the walk, all of it, it kind of represents everything I love about like cool, modern golf courses. I think it's a great choice. That would be my a hoopy choice as well. Like every time I play that course, I just like we're fortunate to play it every year for, for a Gilles thing. I've been up a couple of times and every time I play it, I like it more and more. Yeah. And I'm, and I'm kind of reminded of like, man, I always forget about how good this freaking hole is, especially, I mean, the, yeah, the, the way they move that pin around and the, you know, a little wedge to the front pin is got you licking your chops. You lay back off the tee to a back pin and you're just hanging on for dear life. It's like, there's some very interesting, pretty fucked up spots to miss, uh, on that hole. It's, it's a great choice. It's one of those things too. Like talking about, you know, the third hole at Royal Adelaide or, um, you know, eight at Splash World, it's like, like I want to, I want to have a wedge in my hand. And yet at the same time have the fear of God and 16 at Paso Tiempo does that to you as well. Like it's like, oh yeah, like I could spin this back 85 feet in front of this. Make a quad. You know, like that's, that's what I want to feel when I have a wedge in my hand, but then you can also pull the shot off as well. Yeah. So it's great. Um, just Melbourne East nominee for 17 would be one of mine. Yes. Yeah. And then Melbourne East, like the last three holes, Melbourne East, like 16, 17, 18, like great holes, one of the best finishing structures in the world. 18 is super interesting. I'm trying to remember what we have picked already. 18 is a little philosophical too. It's like, what do you want your 18th hole to be? You know, what do you, do you want something spectacular? Do you want something there to settle a match? What was your philosophy? It probably made it a little easier to guess. I want something that is gettable, but you got to do the right stuff. Did you, did you pick a pine valley hole yet? I did eight. Oh, eight. That's right. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Hmm. I thought about the old. Did you pick a great, yeah. Yeah. I picked, but I picked 11 at the old Shinnecock. Are you pick clubhouse? You picked the clubhouse. Yeah. I picked the clubhouse of Shinnecock. It's not Shinnecock. I've got Rome over in East nominated, but it's not. I didn't pick that. Visby. Sure. Uh, sure. Well, one of the great finishing holes in all of golf. Cardiousti. Top five one. Cardiousti is a good one. You know, great, great finishing hole, ball buster, uh, bell air with the bridge and all that jockey club. It's kind of a play on the old course there. Uh, San Francisco golf clubs got a great, great 18th hole in Vernice, the non-Soulheim cup routing, great 18th hole there. Kind of through like a little half pipe, uh, Essex County club up in Massachusetts. That's the third nomination for them. But no, this one's in England. Hmm. It's a point. This can be a blind spot. In Northwest England, solid. Litham. Litham. Hmm. Interesting. I love it. Oh, that's just a championship test. It's as you get. I have to think. I have to think like, good, because it's downstream effects of a lot of things, but I also struggled with 18th holes. Um, it is not that many good ones. It is a bit of a challenge. Um, I think I would put pebble 18 above Litham, but this is your list. It's not mine. And I get the statements you're making about pebble. I do, I do. I would think that deserves a nomination. Actually, they're speaking louder than words here. That was one of the great golf holes, but. I think Litham, there's 17 bunkers on that hole. Um, it's, it's truly like you, you got to have the minerals on that shot. It's about precision. It's about like you, like you can't overpower it. It's not tricky though. At the same time, like if you hit a straight, you know, very sensible drive down the middle, it's a 400 yard hole straight away. Uh, I love the clubhouse. Love just, you know what you got to do. Here's what you got to do. Go do it. Go make a birdie here. You know, I think it's, it's right there in front of you, but you got to, you got to avoid all these landmines along the way. I think it's great. It's, yeah, it's, it's got pedigree. It's got, uh, you know, lays the challenge out for you. I think this is a great way to wrap it up. I think it fits the theme of, of the rest of what we're doing. I just, I'd be honored to play this golf course. Thank you, Didge. I think it's like, you know, you finish up in the, in the shadow of that, of that tutor style clubhouse with the red roof and the green. Right. Right. Right. Yeah. Improved his lie back there. Exactly. You know, Adam Scott's devastated at Ernie. There's just so much history there. I think it's the most underrated open championship venue. Um, and yeah, You hop in your pneumatic tubes and go to the synagogue for a post round beer. You know, it's, it's great. Or the valley club for a post round margarita on the porch. Uh, this is excellent. This did not disappoint. T C. No, it's great. Yeah. And as noted, this is a lot harder than it looks like, uh, looks like to do. So some questionable decisions, but not as many questionable decisions as I would have expected T C. Honestly, so I listen, I don't know if we're getting to 6,000 yards. The hardest. We're going to have to add it. I mean, you're not trying to host a fucking PGA, you know, play golf with my friends. I honestly think, but like any of us that do this, like our second attempt at it might even be better than the first because like the, you know, picking a different hole in each, you know, it's a, it's a, you'll start, it'll trigger a thought and something else that you had. And again, moving one chess piece around can affect the entire board. It's, you know, back to your, your first hole at sand hills. It's the, it's the constellation map. You know, there's 180 holes we go to pick out there. But how do we pick the best 18? That's, that's the challenge. Exactly. And, um, yeah, I don't know. There's just, there's some that kind of pull at the hard strings. There's some that are just technically great. There's some that are, if you need some connective tissue or, you know, some girth or some mass there. Um, yeah, like, I don't know. I'm disappointed I didn't get anything like, like Schiskin. Um, I think the sixth hole at Schiskin's like one of my favorite short par fours in the world, but who knows? But again, we'd have, we'd have five short fours in a, in a, in a six. You could do that though. If it was, if it was your next iteration of this, if it was your dream 12, that might've changed your whole philosophy. You might have picked what you asked. Good. A dream short four list. You should just do it. Oh, the 18. That's what we just did. Yeah. Victoria number one North barrack, maybe 18. If you want, I think you could do it. I really think you could do it. I'd put that course too. It definitely gets you thinking too about like, why aren't there better first holes or what are the themes with first holes? Like a lot of the best first holes that I identified were par fives. Yeah. For whatever reason, um, you know, or wide, wide fairways and then somewhat big greens, but kind of a demanding second shot from a, you know, it's, it's testing you like three, like, I can't believe I didn't even nominate it here. Three pinehurst number two. Yeah. You nominate it. Oh, okay. Okay. That's another one that's like, I don't know. I love like that's a wedge. What's the fear of God on your head though? You know, you got a, a really, really just technical, technical second shot. So how, uh, how are you feeling after all of a sudden done? You feel like you represented your, your golfing world here? Yeah, I feel good. I feel relieved. Yeah. More than anything that's out there in the world and you know, people can poke and prod or whatever, but, um, but no, I feel a mile in my shoes. You make your own damn list. You know what? TC great. Even the comments. Great art is never finished. It's only abandoned, right? And then that's why I think we did today. It makes you want to go play more golf courses. I think this, this course that I put together makes you want to keep playing. Yeah. Yeah. Like you don't feel tired. You don't feel it's not the hardest house in the world. You're thinking your way through the course as well. And that's my favorite course is like a rhythm or a Kingston heat or a Territory, your, your, your brain is on fire. You're thinking your way through the place. And then, and there's these pops of deep feelings as well. So well, kudos. Thank you guys. Thank you. I appreciate you creating a safe space for me to share, share these, these fundamental truths. Look forward to doing this with you 10 more times as you keep it. Thank you everyone for listening. We'll see you back here next week. Crack on.