Episode 185 | "Submariner or Submariner?" (Feat. CMDCM Jacob Green)

The following views expressed are those of the speakers and do not represent the views of DOD arts components. Hey attention because you are now listening to permission to speak freely. It's a different type of leadership that we got going on right now man. We're talking about beneath the surface right? We're talking about no sunlight, no escape. Right? We're talking about the submarine world man and we got our guy Jake with us man. From that world man. That's leadership different. When I think about it man that's a whole different level of leadership down there beneath the sea. I mean think about that for a second though. Everybody just think about that shit for a second. I can go in there. I can have an issue. I can say go see this person. Go see that person. Jake who you tell them to go see? You know what I mean? Go see each other man. You go see each other. You got nobody. I mean when you go below you shut the hatches and you submerge. It is you and your brothers and sisters and taking care of stuff with each other and not knowing like your world stops once you leave home port. Even normal underways. It doesn't matter. It's like a whole new world coming back like oh what just happened. So it's a different world. All we have is each other. Like what do you guys have in place though as far as mental health? Do y'all have like DRCs and stuff? So we got a I mean we still have our own. We still have a command resilience team. We have an IDC. So like our we call him Doc. He's the only medical representative on board. Usually it's a it could be a first class, a chief, senior chief, even at times a master chief. So I mean it's just them. They are the only medical representative underway. You know you do want to adopt a corpsman that has good bedside manners. You know just willing to listen and everything like that. But really as a chief, as a leader, first class is second class. It doesn't matter. Sometimes you just need somebody just needs to talk to somebody about whatever they're going through. You know and not knowing what's going on back at home can be can really take a toll on times. Especially through deployment because you know normal underways we do have we'll come up and get comms you know every so often and get emails and not you know we download emails as fast as we can. And it's dial up internet was faster at times. So then how quick we can download stuff. But when we're going on deployments you cannot talk to somebody for months. You know and that can take a toll because you just don't know what's going on. You're just hoping that everything that when you left you left everything as it is and you know your if you have a spouse your spouse is taking care of those things. If you're single you have you know we always tell them somebody that you trust like your mom your dad brother sister somebody that you trust to take care of your finances or stuff like that to look after you know you know I wouldn't give anybody my like a bank account where you just tell them like somebody to trust a power of attorney and it never it always fails right. The being on the shore side now having to help support the boats from the shore side seeing that you know sometimes the spouse just needs some help on where to navigate. So yeah kind of still in the Stone Age comms wise too. Like you know because looking at ships now they got they on Wi-Fi like it's just all comms is up and up and up and up and away at this point now. We are I mean you can sort of set I mean back in the Stone Age type stuff you know it's it is tough but we get used to it you know you have each other that's where you know with technology now right everybody's got a you know I don't know what to say an iPod but that's that's really showing my age but everybody's got music they listen to you've got TVs we can watch stuff but like you know just talking to each other there's one-on-ones you'll see that a lot with like you know that some of the senior chiefs the the Cobb the master chief the CMC onboard talking just getting to know somebody on a more personal level and especially with the captain officers because like you know you see each other you go underway especially you will not you see each other every day you know very rarely you'll be like I haven't seen you in a couple days man like what's going on how's going on with you now you know so it's uh I'll tell you right now the heart of the ship right a couple places that you can always get a little bit of a drum beat is the cooks um because everybody wants to come by I just want to chit chat right cruise mess right we don't have we don't segregate cruise mess where it's just it's closed down between the meals it's training is always happening out there watching movies or doing whatever on cruise mess and then also too some of the um just roving around the engineer you know you got a couple watches where they can't leave in their area so just going down and talk to them like hey man what's going on how you doing uh getting a germ be with them so and I'll tell you when type when you know you're standing in your watch you're taking your logs uh just having a simple conversation about hey man if you were gonna we're gonna be pulling it and you know soon or what would be the first thing you do when you get off the boat what's it what do you do the first night you know oh what is your tradition or what do you do everybody has their own little church right what they do but when they come back from underway come back from deployment right nothing against the cooks on you know on the boat but nobody wants to eat the galley food when we pull the night we pull in right everybody's ordering out um somebody's bringing it back for the guys just to have some of those kinds of routines and stuff so it's uh you know the the best comms you really get to know somebody when you're on deployment because you go through thick and thin you know our deployments are usually six six to seven months uh they're getting longer you know just because of the fact of the world that we live in now and what's going on in our operations with our adversaries so you know it's doing seven month deployment it's not uncommon and you really get to know somebody on a touch point you know you really build that brotherhood sisterhood uh relationships with people yeah I mean what's the longest you've been submerged um I've gone uh without saying too much man I've gone where you know I missed uh you know a whole quarter of stuff right you you know yeah doing uh you know greater than 70 days doing greater than you know 80 days it's not uncommon right we can make our own water we can make our own oxygen right the don't the limited factor that could keep us submarine from pulling import oh it's food right you can only you can only load so much food and um so yeah we we load out the entire boat man there's not a space on the boat that doesn't have food in it right well what about birthing well it depends on the class of ship you know you might have birt you might have food stored above you you know you got we trying to find every little nook and cranny to put food because uh you know we got a execute the mission you know not to the point of where people starve and people are losing weight or anything like that but like it's uh our freezer and chill box right we turn our chill box into a freezer just because you can get you know uh almost a full month out of that just by adding extra meat in there you know ribeye chicken uh pork loin turkey or whatever so it's uh uh you know you don't get fresh like after two weeks you're done you know so why why even have it a chill box we just make that a freezer and you can load more food chicken nuggets chicken wings you know that kind of stuff for pizza night that makes pizza night fun so yeah you're still packing more ease or you're packing so we don't have so there's so we don't actually we've never uh i don't want to say never but we we don't pack mrs what we have also on board is um freeze dried freeze dried ground beef freeze dried chicken freeze dried there's like a like a mozzarella cottage cheese type thing so both are required to care that and if you put it in sauce like it's not that bad if you put it in a saucy type thing if i just give you like hey man here's your chicken strips of freeze dried you're not gonna like that but if you put in a sauce like it's meant to be or a chili you're not going to know put it on pizza they already have some sauce and cheese on it so you know that kind of stuff that stretches those actually you know proteins and stuff like that but yeah uh the both are required to carry some of that stuff that came out about how about eight almost eight years ago six six eight years ago you know they were really pointing out because the idea was actually mre's is putting some mre's but the little stuff that heats up the food it's actually kind of a could be explosive and you know when you got people that have engineering degrees on board god knows what to do wrong you know it's like crazy with it yeah it's toxic we found that out yeah so uh yeah you said that uh you guys earlier together you always run into somebody you know i experienced destroyer or carrier amphib you know you see people every day or you might see somebody once or in a week how do you like get your own private time to decompress is that is that or is that even a thing or you always have somebody that's next to you all the times you know a lot of that you do always have somebody next to you man sometimes just your own little private spot you try to find a little corner of the bow where nobody comes around and not i don't think nobody comes around but more where you know you don't see somebody because somebody is always roving right you got a roving watches and you got people that check spaces you know so uh your private time it's hard it's really hard to get you know your rack is it is your private time you know using the head but you got the head like where it's right next to people somebody's shower and somebody's brushing her teeth you know it's it's hard to get some of that private time away from people but you sometimes you just don't you won't engage somebody you can just tell on their face where it's like you don't talk to me man like i'm not in the mood you know so you sort of get people even when i let them come to you you know but it's it's yeah you can feel lonely too at the same time when even though you're around all these people right you can sort of also feel lonely just because like you know the higher you go up the lonelier gets right the captain you know on unemployment is the highest ranking person nobody he doesn't answer he or she doesn't answer anybody so it's like that relationship between the captain and the cop is important because you two are the most senior people on board and you can get lonely at times because nobody wants to talk to you about anything right you just get problems all day you know you want to hear those little good things or like hey what's going on with this or how's this person's doing and stuff so um it's hard to get like really private time but you just got to respect somebody when they don't want to talk and you're like okay man i'm just i'm just good you know i just need to be by myself right now you're like okay man that's that's cool so what's some of the we kind of this is like kind of tarrantino this right so i got to at some point i gotta go back to uh something but what's some of the uh like the best mwr events that you've seen on us so so we it's hard to actually do mwr nwr right it's all done by the crew right it's uh some of the stuff we can we try to have like a halfway night where people will auction off like you know the um you know we just try to raise money stuff like that with uh uh like the warden will offer their seats so you get a meal in the ward room you try to be like the captain for the day you get to be the xo for the day somebody wants to be the cop of the day and stuff like that to help raise funds like that you know bingo po d bingo you know you just put the b you know everybody you put gets a bingo card you try to look for in the po d so you you actually have sailors read the po d and everything looking for a number um i'm about to i'm about to take that yeah i like that you can't you can't always make it obvious you know you can't make it obvious sometimes we make just because it was like dude nobody's winning like but um it's hard right because like again we don't you're always uh somebody's always on watch right 24-hour days right it's somebody's always on watch we're not we don't wake everybody up at five six o'clock in the morning you know it's you always it's uh we used to be an 18-hour days um year i think we've been doing it now for over a decade where you're in a 24-hour day so it's eight hours of watch eight hours of off-going and eight hours of sleeping i put the quotations on sleeping because not everybody only gives eight hours of sleeping you know so um so you know we don't have those like all hand times are just usually meant for drills uh when we're coming in and out of port stuff right now but we do try to take time to do some events like like a halfway night if we can just because of uh the missions that we do we can't usually be loud you know it's always about being silent and being you know alone and unafraid jay's way to halfway night but i didn't know what is that though real sorry about that i'm like what are you talking about so yeah so halfway night is usually um it's like a just a fun festivity type thing right that's where and you'll just auction off like the ceo for the day and the xo for the day i got you i got you yeah and before usually before we leave the spouses or significant others the ombudsman um family group right they'll make up halfway boxes so they're like little goodies we tell them don't put anything perishable they're just gonna rot by the time they get it but you know put a little something of home in there and everything they can do it up you know people put cars in there like it's literally like we tell them to use a shoe box you know a regular shoe box and then we open those up on like halfway night and everything you get to see like little cars like hey you know like family say some good stuff and even for the singles we're trying to make sure that uh somebody is taking on for a single sailor just because depending on the coast in the command you know you actually my my last my cop tour most of my boat was single it's very it was very ready to find somebody i was actually married so just making sure those single guys don't feel left out of those kind of things when you get stuff so but i but the moms were fantastic they were they were really involved yeah hey uh for the people that's watching Aaron got his dog with him yo was your dog there uh bowser man he's the worst man man yeah so uh but like yeah we kind of we started right like it's like a soft intro type thing but uh before we get to deep into it no pun intended right um i got a couple shoutouts uh army shout out to the army shout out to the navy shout out to the marines shout out to the space force shout out to the coast guard shout out to the air force shout out to the spouses the kids the contractors government employees active retiree shout out to t shout out to the knees uh shout out to the embudsman shout out to uh assault shout out to drc's shout out to inflex shout out the tyra shout out the nc is shout out the military sea liquor and just everybody right we got uh that was reserved for the tyra episode that we didn't have but uh like we got so many people that's listening to us somebody from air force hit me up recently like yo i'm not in the navy but i'm listening to y'all like like you know we listening to y'all so i just want to make sure we shout out and if i miss them out y'all let me know um but definitely shout out shout out to the people the naya war winners right and jake who is a cmc was a cs so i know naya is a little bit you know closer to your home um territory than mine but uh some subs won naya ward as well i'll be interested in how they prep for it but uh shout out to the george hw bush carrier one naya ward man my you know my even though i was there for 10 months y'all i'm repping hard man so shout out to y'all man yeah yeah how have you won a naya ward at all no no i haven't been part of a galley that's won it um and everything it's uh it it's hard right you know um i think it's a it's a great thing right you know getting that uh trophy you know getting being part of recognizes like the best galley on the coast or whatever so we actually uh the isle shout out to them uh the message just came out for this past year like you said about bush like you know they uh got the you know uh about the name and here on our our coast out of grotton you know the isle got it for this coast and for our sub and then i think it would forgot the exact boat i think it was the mississippi got it for the west coast mississippi yep yep so uh it's great stuff like that right it's hard right you know we um that's one thing right you know we we have our own um and we have our inspection that we get for you know to help certify us for deployment for the for the supply department and then they they look at that they you know each each squadron nominates a boat and everything so then we get usually the inspector is a war noncer from one like one of the navy few manager teams i don't know if that's what happened this time i was part of the navy management team before being a cop and i knew the warrant that i'd had he helped out with some of the inspections but uh you know it's different because you know you get pulling a warren officer that comes down on a submarine sometimes they're like you know maybe that's their first time or they haven't really been on a boat and everything they're just looking around and it's just uh sometimes there's a high opening for them and or um but it's a good prestige thing right i mean just being part you know for at least that year you are the best galley right you're the top dog uh and that should be it should be recognized yeah and we missed the chief birthday right we ain't doing an episode so man shout out to the chief man you know uh chief birthday past um did y'all do anything for the holiday Easter no i i don't know about you guys but i kept it pretty low key you know we don't uh we don't do too much around here and everything you know uh big baseball fan uh last year we actually went to a baseball game on Easter but this year just didn't work out so now we just kept this simple home and everything so what about you guys we went to Waffle House um that's what we do like every sunday just went to Waffle House got some food you know man mad food everywhere you know but DMX um what did you do Dave you didn't think yeah so that that's that's Saturday we had this craft show we went to uh on Saturday so Ella was part of that so we went out there and did that so some stuff you know sunday we went out and did a little brunch thing man um at one of the big big time hotels down there and and about late I forgot the name of it but it was it was pretty nice though for the listeners it's funny listening to men that's married or got kids are married with kids because it's like you know their decisions ain't just that old man yeah we went to the craft thing man yeah yeah so hey on Friday look I was a bad sport because on sunday my wife did do some stuff for Amari she like laid some eggs out and stuff but I was a little you know I'm an introvert y'all so I was a little energy depleted because on Friday uh I did an egg I was I talked to Damon I was like I drove back to work at like 200 and planted a bunch of eggs around my command um inside the eggs it was liberty right so it was like a 72 or 48 and 10 24-hour liberties in each egg and I did two rounds of it so the first one started at 530 because my sellers they work pretty early due to funeral rules and different things and then the second round of this was at like 11 where I hid another 10 um and they thought it was gonna be easy I guess they you know they used to like people hiding things at the command and it's easy to find they don't know me I had the things all over the place right they don't know me man they they they really they was trying to hey they was trying to defame my character don't lie with me that's definition my character don't don't mother make my character they try to defame my character it ain't work so uh it was fun it was great it was fun um morale energy um social interactions like all of the things that they kind of asked for happened in that one egg hunt and every and I am and I think other people looking forward to uh next year because it's where I'm a hot on mat bros a bro like I was pulling you know them little automatic air freshener things which I had I was I pulled the can out and put an egg in the air like but eventually like you know eventually it's like hey if y'all don't find it within and the reason why you gotta make it hard because the way my sellers work like you might catch like some of them and then like for instance like about 30 to 40 sellers left at 6 30 before some other sellers even showed up for quarters you know and then sell some sellers came back by 12 and then some of because it's different events different fallouts funerals and stuff like that so you got to make it hard enough that like as soon as you launch the event it's not over like they can't find them all real fast but you got it like so every hour it'd be like hey if y'all still looking I'm gonna start giving hints I'm gonna start giving it it wasn't until like yesterday till when when the last egg was found so that so that was kind of fun right and then at some point I saw something right and we're gonna get back we definitely gonna get back into jake and and a lot of sub stuff because I got some questions about your high school football team but but but um you know we're gonna get there we're gonna get there later but um yeah we're gonna get there later but uh I saw a sec war put out the messaging about guns on base right and I'm sure all of y'all saw that and I'm sure all of y'all had some some sort of messaging that y'all had to attach to that conversation right oh I did yeah yeah so I want to I want to start with Aaron I want like like it's only right Aaron how'd that conversation go for you so uh me and uh my army equivalent to soldier major we looked at it and we're like yo man this don't apply to us man we had a hospital uh a medical treatment a military treatment to mcf nah yo so I was like no so I told cats like you could put it in if you want that's cute no put it in if you want I am seeing no guidance don't have admin so don't get creative don't you know so I was like nah but you know go ahead that that was our conversation don't be stupid that was the conversation his conversation was good yo go ahead do it go ahead don't even start you can't go far if you don't start that was us what about you jake ah so you know interesting right you know some of the bases right they're pretty big and you can actually hunt on them uh in gron you can actually hunt deer with a bow you know so I know some other bases right they allow so many passes you know I don't they may limit to like uh like a shotgun or you know probably no no high-power rifle or just bow but uh there was always we actually had a good conversation because you know nothing that you want carry you know there's laws and there's second amendment you can get your license and all that great stuff great stuff right but like on base right what if there's an active shooter on base and you're like I got my gun I can help but the ma's that are coming around right the ma's the base security you know coming around looking for the active shooter they don't know what they don't know what the active shooter look like right because again usually at first report you don't know right and they come up upon you and you're carrying a gun are you the active shooter you know you got you're drawing you're ready to have them they don't know that so if anything right I mean there's always been something available that you can route I mean you can route a request shift or anything you know you most likely go get denied but um I think just like you said right I mean the sec ward puts out guidance great um but it's still gotta get filtered down through sec nav see you know like you go through all those channels and everything but you know I'm all in there go ahead route it see what happens you know they're more like a goal be no but uh I'm coming from where the the other stance of like do you really want to put yourself in a position where god forbid there's an active shooter and you're like oh I'm here to help and they now their guns are pointing at you because you're the one with the gun and they don't know yeah my my conversation it was two part it was one it doesn't just from how sec were described it it doesn't look as easy as hey can I do this and it's and it's gonna get done it look like it gotta it look like you need a reason right you need a valid reason um it gotta go up to the ICO um and we know why this is coming right tryout members have recently been threatened in their families and stuff like that right um and then the second part of my messaging was just like what you just said right it's levels to it right so Instagram post from sec word does not mean tomorrow we go route a shit right it's still got to go through the different secretaries of the different branches uh you know their respective military branches and then to CNO and then some type of way to us do some formula that was pretty much I went to all my companies and all of their quarters the very next day because we got a seal suggestion box that night like hey what sec word just put out uh can we route just to have guns and I'm like let me make sure we had this conversation at ASAP yeah hey for for me it was pretty first off hey before when I saw it right the initial theme because you know sec word having a he had an example on there right example so I listen to the example that he used then I was thinking about how many examples that I had in my head that it can go south real quick right like real quick that's the first thing I'm thinking about but when it came to the policy and all that man like it's a lot of CMC's you know from from an aviation standpoint then but it's not my kind of like not really my thing in a way either because it's a base right you got a base CMC they making these policies on who coming on board on this base and stuff so the first thing happened in our CMC chat was a waiting further guidance on this everything is the same a waiting for the guidance or whatever so that's kind of message that I had to push out to my team yeah am I nice you're nicer you're nicer to your base CMC we were saying hey you can see our chip tomorrow at my at my last command it was an MA who they some of them wanted to bring guns yeah I was the installation I see L and some of them were trying to bring their personal weapons because they operated sometime outside the fence line and they felt that they could be threatened on their way home somebody might know who they are you know whatever hey for the listeners Aaron just got a call from a skipper so he'll be back when he can another thing that hit the end of that heart I don't know if y'all saw and it's another thing Jake that I think might have hit you a little harder than some of the rest of us but uh Navy Bay 98 he saw this name it Navy Bay 98 she was not happy about that rack oh yeah you know I'm not always up I mean or maybe I'm showing my age but I'm not always up to social media stuff or like whatever else going on I try to catch up but I don't even know like not happy it was a young seller it was a young seller on video and she was getting in the rack it looked like she was on like a ddg or a cruiser or something like that um and she was like this where they want me to sleep she's I can't even breathe and she got in it in her end-ofs full full uniform um and she's I can't even breathe in this and it got like shared by USA today you know I got and it's like hey Navy sellers can't even breathe in where they sleep and you know a bunch of other like of us were like man wait till you have some good ways but that's the best sleep you ever go get in your life you know it was just like that conversation the best sleep I ever get is underway on a summer I'm telling you get a nice little rock especially on the surface if it's not too heavy seas because uh again most of our time is submerged but when you uh when you operate a periscope depth or when you're on the surface you got a nice rock that back and forth and that's good sleep yeah now now let's get back into like you and your journey a little bit uh I want to go before the Navy when when was it and for the listeners if we haven't said it already right uh Jake Jake Green is a CMC um you I guess it's interchangeable with Cobb right at this point yeah so like so we um so uh being a cop I was still my rate when I uh when I passed my cobb board and I was a servant cob I was my rate you know a C.S. S. C.S. and then I picked up Master Chief so I submitted for the Master Chief board uh blue or what is this in 25 well I got picked up in 25 when the results came out so um so then I of course changed my rate from C.S. C.S. C.M. D.C.M so um when we go be a cop we can wear like you know the C.M.C. patch you know just like any other C.M.C. is just that we were still our rate until uh either we put in a package or um and went up so but uh yeah okay so uh C.M.C. was a C.S. before right we kind of talked about this a little bit uh but let's what was your I'm gonna use an errand word what was your impetus to join the Navy so that's funny so so my um uh my dad and a lot of my family and then on my mom's side served in the in the Navy uh I have a cousin you know he's he's like the black sheep and he joined the Air Force but we don't talk about that so uh whatnot but you know I actually um uh through high school you know I did a I swam right I actually got the college on a swimming scholarship and you know I it didn't pan out for me right I actually didn't want to join the Navy before I mean I didn't want to join the Navy at all it wasn't because I just didn't think it was for me my dad retired as a command master chief and whatnot and that you know he was much older right you know when I was what I from growing up as a kid I remember my dad as a senior chief a master chief and that was it you know I was not my dad was a little older when he had me and I was I don't remember him being a pedi officer a chief or anything you know he my first real time thing I remember him was going underway as a as a cop and everything so um it wasn't a life I wanted but so I had a swimming scholarship I went you know it was to a junior college in Georgia and um I swam I I hurt my shoulder in the state swim meet before going to college but I already signed my contract so I went and I rehabilitated I was trying and everything but I just lost some that passion of like doing the sport because this wasn't fun anymore yeah and so I was just like I had to do something right um with my life so it was either joining the Navy or if I got accepted to the culinary program at the community college in my hometown I probably wouldn't be joining I probably wouldn't have joined the Navy but I it was too late submitting so I joined it I was like well I gotta do something I guess and um so I was already you know I I joined in those six so it was two years after I graduated high school so I didn't I didn't you know and um I joined and I just wanted I knew I wanted to be a cook because I don't know nothing else sounded interesting but uh and I knew I wanted to be on some just because why don't you get paid you get paid more you know we get so far so maybe you watch like crimson tide or something I was like yo no no no no no no no so I um my neighbor um so my neighbor a couple houses down he was like a third class second class and you know he would you know he um was sort of a did a mentor throughout the state you know throughout my my naval career in life and everything you know I would I saw him you know how he uh did his job under so he was a cook so but uh you know I always wanted to help him out because I felt bad too right it was like you know you go under waves and just like simple stuff like hey man my wife needs some help just walking the dog can you walk the dog I'm here to help you know so um but yeah so I mean I guess the rest is history man you know got in then March of 06 and uh now 20 years later man just uh it's been a journey and everything I'm like and I don't regret it you know so yeah I'm happy that I did it I took it four years at a time because again I uh I met my wife you know we've known each other for all our lives but you know my wife and I uh we got serious when I was in Bess and everything we had a we got engaged we had a we had a longer engagement but you know we took it every four years man and she's been with me every step of the way yeah so so you moved from Rhode Island which I'm assuming you were in Rhode Island because dad was stationed in Rhode Island actually I grew up in Keene's Bay I was born up in Rhode Island um I grew up in Keene's Bay uh Georgia you know at that base um back at my my parents got a house in 89 my mom said I don't know why we're building a house we're never gonna live we're not gonna stay here longer than three years it's 2026 they're still there yeah yeah yeah so hey so I didn't get a chance to so certain the way our schedule been going I haven't had a chance to like deep dive like guests bios and stuff like that right but when I today I got home I got home today about an hour before we supposed to start the pod right so I'm like all right I can't deep dive but let me check some stuff out right so and then I got like just immersed in the Camden County Wildcats right so so the first thing I noticed about your high school is that it was Damon it's 2900 students in this school right I never went to a school that had that many students right so so now I'm like well maybe it's cuz it's a county high school that you know I'm digging deeper and I'm digging deeper this high school is big as hell bro like and then I'm like this like the high schools that I watch in movies and stuff Damon right now here's the part that I'm gonna shut up in a second but here's the part that intrigues you Damon the football team were you in the football Jake no I I mean I love football don't get me wrong I love football but um there's a good sound I did I did marching band I did ban I did not play football I swam and I did other stuff outside of it but I mean I was there every Friday night you know the marching band and everything and our our team right I mean you on Friday night during football season you you were there you were at the you I didn't matter if you had a kid playing in or not you were at the football game cheering on like the Wildcats yeah this was a football town huh yeah oh yeah I mean they had to grow yeah it's 2900 students I think when I was in it was they float around that every year right 28 to up to 3000 they flirted with 3000 but like you don't want to split you can't put uh they don't want to put another high school in the town because I would split the talent yeah oh yeah so check this out check check out the operation they run it Damon so 03 they go under they go undefeated win the championship 03 they go undefeated win the championship right and then 03 that was the first one yeah so 03 they went and chip undefeated and they played this squad right lounge or whatever that's the name of the squad they played them in the season they beat them they played them in the playoffs second game of the playoffs they beat them right 04 the year you graduated they go undefeated in the season Damon right listen they got a the first game is 12-10 right normal football shit first game of the season right yeah I'm gonna run through some of these second game of the season they scored 56 the opponent scores 14 right it's high school football so it could get like John Mattes sometime next game 58 to 0 shut out right they got they score next three games 34 38 41 two of those games were shut out so another game the opponent only scored six next game 41 0 next game 62 0 next game 59 14 and next game they played 71 0 they play brad well last game of the season probably just chilling it was a 14-12 game they got a non-zipped shutout a 21 a zip shutout uh didn't know it's the playoffs non-zipped shutout 21 zero shutout 37 7 shutout so that's 12 12 games I think um no 13 games the last game they play bro the championship game against the number two seed that they beat two times last season they got shut out by bro 0 to 30 they lost the championship to the team they beat last year they came back and bust their ass bro yeah they did now my question is two things Jake do you well three things do you remember this why did y'all lose that game and how did it feel in town when y'all lost that game so I would so that season right so I already graduated like you know in May of 2004 from high school so that first year 03 so but I tell you my friends my brother um he was a sophomore I mean when you see that stuff right it's like that was a such a big year right that that uh 03 football season and uh was a huge thing right they uh we it was actually came to county wildcats versus badass the wildcats during that championship game so it was a battle of the wildcats and the about us badass the wildcats they they they were a big powerhouse team and there have always been big name in georgia but um that was a huge thing right went undefeated and everything and whatnot so like when he coming in coming off of that coming into that year there was a big core group that did graduate but there was still good guys that came around you know I mean they were freshman playing in a lot of those games that when they got blown out right I mean they got team was blown out so they put the freshman in and they were still beating the teams but coming off of that they had this and that last game that was a heartbreaker for a lot of the those seniors because like you beat these guys already twice why and then you get to the playoffs right it doesn't matter right you're in the playoffs it's you're you're one and done zero zero you're you're a record is zero right it doesn't matter so um I mean london's just wanted it more that night you know nothing against nothing against the you know wildcats or anything and um I it was a heartbreaker because that could have been a chance to go back to back especially against a team where we started playing london's started playing harder teams my senior year my junior year because we had a new coach I forgot when we got the new coach it was either my freshman or sophomore year they got a new coach and he was a winning coach in george he was out of smaller because again we were at the I think now they're like said I think at the time they're like five eight you know just because of the size of the school and whatnot so the coach came from a smaller school but came to us but he was at he had that winning mentality he had an offense a style offense that was just good and he was tailored around yeah uh you know the players and everything but you know it was weird the coach like left and came back they won a couple more championships yeah he left before he played yeah so he's been back he's back yeah he left he left a couple years back the coach that was winning for us and everything and it's been it but football is big man it's a it's a big uh everybody's into it I'm on some of the social pages just like for the town and seeing some stuff it's still crazy you know um I've have been back I've been back in years for a Friday night game and everything but uh it was not but it's so it's cool man I mean there was a there was so many talks with the football stadium about putting in like a end zone stadium end zone seats and everything like like like to wrap it around and connect it but you can fit yeah the 10,000 people they ate 10,000 people on a Friday night game shh it's crazy yeah I feel like crazy yeah bro it's a big you gotta look at this uh Damian even like the swimming pool and all that I feel like the travesty for uh the wildcast that year was that y'all did not play rounds in a regular season at all like to get a chance to see them and they was just getting ready for y'all right they just getting ready for y'all I feel like if y'all would have sawed them that year y'all would at least got a sense of like which y'all were dealing with and probably would have won that game but they shut they they shut them out 30s is it but yeah so that was just something I was looking at I don't want to defer too much to the high school sports stuff but now in the transition at though you you go from a 2900 person school what I'm assuming like a bunch of resources you know just all of that to a sub right so and then at some point you're going on your first deployment on a sub so what's that life transition going from a place that's open and big and whole bunch of people there to somewhere that small can find and oh by the way you're going to be out at sea for two three months at a time however long yeah um I mean it was tough I um when I got to my first boat that's a really funny story how I got to my first boat I thought for the longest time that's that's how people got detailed how I got there but um I it went from I showed up to my first boat till we deployed it was about a year you know we had many underweighs uh leading up to that for all the workouts for deployment um going into it but like when we get ready for deployment and my wife where we were engaged right you know before I deployed you know it was it was it was just different right I mean technology was different where uh email you know even now I mean it's still slow but getting emails and being able to email off but like you know when we did pull in the port it was Skype you know we only have no you know or or using phone calls calling cars to call home and stuff like that and it was it was expensive Wi-Fi with a cell phone that was hard to find overseas so just prepare to mentally get into it and just learning I mean it doesn't really I guess it's hard to prepare for just uh unless unless you've done it for you know the underweighs you've done time you've done deployments and building up for it just because your first deployment you don't realize how important what you do is until pretty much afterwards you come home where you get that big welcome home or like you know the captain tells you like hey hey guys you know tell him this his crew like hey we've done well this is uh the stuff we've done mean something and most of the time we can and talk about it you know so you know with other people with our spouses or with the with the world and everything so uh so sometimes it's hard you can get lost of like what you did is important so you sort of got to keep feeding that being that cheerleader for the crew like hey what we're doing is important this is why we're out here and stuff like that but it's it's hard to prep until you unless you've done it for mid-time times like being as a cove and prepping for a boat doing a different deployment than I've never done before was just hard in nature because based on the time that I showed up but uh it was more about we got there you know how do we sustain uh working you know without a day off or 90 days at a time or 180 days right even when you're pulling the port right you still have people that have to stay in duty you okay you get a day off that's cool that's great here you go here's your here's two days off that's great but we still have people that got to stay in duty and you go underway you know you don't really have a day off underway you know that that part nobody can teach you for it you know so yeah hey I I got something for you man like it's more of like a technology thing for me man I'm thinking like on surface ships right now man we're they're walking around you know FaceTime you know in the P-ways and things like that right now this haven't just happened though right this this has been like over time hey what can we do better for these sailors on board these ships right so over time you know wi-fi and all these other great things that happen what is your community doing like for future stuff then what what they doing out there right now say okay in this many years we're going to be able to do this or is it something out there that that you guys are looking forward to in the submarine community to be like hey this is coming down the pipe I mean I mean for quality of life like that I mean we can't we can't have wi-fi you know be able to pull up you know and base in our mission set we just can't you know we have to remain silent we have to remain undetected so like I will tell you yeah you know we pull in when we pull in the port sometimes just having wi-fi like foreign ports right in the base that we pull into just having wi-fi in the pier you know they I tell boats just request wi-fi in the pier they get you the box like here you go see what you can get a couple boxes so that you don't have to you can just connect the wi-fi you know guys don't have to buy a data plan you know stuff like that but uh hey uh Jake I don't want to just put it on like the wi-fi thing is anything else so that you guys got come yeah anything else like uh I mean just like with any um our recent admiral that we've uh our submarine force admiral you know he's uh been making a lot of uh I think good headway in the sense of we're actually like this you know this is not just really uh more the quality of life but just even the mentality right are uh being combat ready and just being surge ready like you know at a point like hey I want to be able to get this boat underway doing the work you know that that stuff hikes up their crew because when you're just doing the grind of doing underwears and stuff you know the plumbest is like the easy part actually you know the workouts before deployment are the hardest thing I don't know how it is for a service ship like the workouts the in-and-outs are tortured but when you get underway going deployment you are there doing a mission and yes your mission can change but it's probably going to change because something that because the the boss uh the admiral whoever is telling somebody saying hey we need this asset to go here and stuff like that so I will tell you there's this um our submarine admiral you know you put out to the submarine force about there's this like email about like uh that you can email him it goes to him directly and then he puts it out to his staff about like hey this sailor has this idea what can you look into it it's just feasible you know and just simple stuff like that of like because again you know we the navy overall there's a lot of things that we do that are just because we don't you know and I know some of us are so I just because we do it doesn't mean that makes it right or why can't we find another way to do something so I think that is one good positive that uh it was there for a while ago uh sometimes you know it's like the new hotness right it's new it's hot a lot of people are trying to use it they see some good traction so they're probably continue to use it you know so uh so I think that's one good thing right now you know um I think there's a lot of for us as a submarine force there's a lot going into um building submarines getting them out of the shipyards and everything that will help with them just sharing the workload of the mission sets and everything what I would I mean really what overall and I don't know how you guys would feel but put money back into the infrastructure or some of our bases because some of our bases wow you know and it just some of the stuff right I mean and I'm not talking like I don't need swanky dinky buildings I'm just saying can we fix some pipes so we don't have a leak you know can we like when guys barracks are leaking stuff can we not have to move them and then wait a month to put them back in you know so I mean realistically that's what I would love to see uh for back it back to the submarine force but realistically back to the navy you know those uh infrastructure stuff because I was in San Diego at Point Loma and then I had to go I don't mean Point Loma ain't going over 30 segrestring is easy you know easy on the weekend it's not easy during the work week but I went over there for her to uh pick up a train going to a Padres game and I saw these like hey I asked somebody the next week at work I was like hey are all these like barracks set her out here and everything you're like yeah it's like a college campus I'm like how the heck do we get part of those I was like they look great like it's like a college campus over there and everything the barracks and everything I mean I didn't go inside but from the outside they look nice you know so you know I think there's some good stuff happening I just wish it was like you know it's uh I just wish some of it you know I'm not saying it's not knocking anybody I think the air force does it right with some of their stuff I've never really been on an army base so I can't really speak for that but you know but yeah that's hopefully I answered your question on that oh yeah yeah mostly yeah you just you you just made me take a note uh because some of my sellers been complaining about like mice and like you know pest and rodents and stuff and air barracks and it's like yo I need to like I need I might need to crash out about that like I might just need to go somewhere and like really really really just put my foot down about that like yeah it's because it's hard that it should be unacceptable you're right you know and it's like it's hard right it's some of it right you don't want to say is it just a bitch in complaining or do they have some weight to it you know the the job I have now right I get a lot of the company you know they're t-divers right they're they're too me temporary because of medical related you know you know mental health related physical related sometimes and sometimes legal right so I've been trying to make it a point to go visit them once a week like I just say hey I'm coming up I don't try to make it a big deal you know I just go up there and uh one of their muster times and I just say hey you know I'm here uh first couple were a little awkward because I was like hey I'm here because of I just want to ask questions if you have questions for me I can answer them or I will take them back to look up or uh you you guys get one on one time with me right and uh so what they started doing they actually started writing on a whiteboard question so they couldn't like through the week or a time so I come up I look at the board I answer the whatever questions I mean one of them was like hey CMC how many push-ups can you do you know I'm like oh I'm training for a marathon I always strive for excellence in my push-up so we'll see what happens in the next BRT but uh you know that's that's what I start doing and you know they just they just want to be heard and you may not be able to fulfill their full question you know like give them their answer that they probably want but as long as you give them something and answer that's like okay you know what he did acknowledge me they acknowledge my answer you know gave me something I can take with and uh and I can keep coming back yeah yeah yeah and we got to advocate right we got to advocate for them um people preach advocacy all the time um and sometimes we try to we worry about relationships a lot and making sure we you know keeping these relationships healthy and stuff like that and sometimes you just got to crash out so I think you inspire me to crash out tomorrow so thanks hopefully I'll let me know let me know about it man that's uh you know that's uh it's crazy stuff man yeah um so uh back to back to the first getting to the sub first deployment you plan to go on a sub right you you that's what you wanted to do you knew you were going to get more money and all that even though you plan were you prepared when you stepped on and it was so small nah man so the only time I ever stepped foot on a submarine was when my dad was a cop and I could go on a tiger cruise and that was on a ssp right there they're twice almost twice the size of a of a fast attack submarine and you know uh I mean I was I was you know I was wide eyed and I was just like probably like some of these some of these sailors coming down I was wide eyed I didn't know what to do um and the only thing I knew from my dad was like oh you're she's going to show you the way that you know people help you out or stuff like that right and again my dad went through the submarine force at a different generation than that I was entering and everything so um no I mean I was scared uh I mean I was 20 21 and um you know like I felt like a child and like you know the emotions right your emotions are flowing because you're leaving from what you knew and then something brand new right just any other sailor or any anybody going off to college leave leaving that home behind and not knowing what's going to happen uh down the down the line you know I had no idea going on my first boat I would be where I am today um if anything I thought I was doing four years you know gtfo so yeah me too me too man I think I'm probably all of us then you know yeah yeah hey so Jake when you was going through a school and you was doing all that stuff before you got to your boat right it had to be some type of preparation there right getting you ready because man I couldn't see myself just rolling up on that thing man I've been with crazy on that so I'm assuming like all the instructors and everybody you talk to kind of laid it down a little bit like a little bit of a preparation thing right when you got on there yeah you know so my um uh my my age school was actually it was a weird time because they were the eight the csa school transitioned to whatever tsc right across the street from boot camp and they ended up down in virginia after i left but um you know then come to sub school sub school you know it was really one of those eye opening you had like you know those e-fives and some e-sixes just sitting there going teaching you best basic and listed some marine school and they're just talking to you about like some things and prepping for and everything um and I am really then and I didn't talk to my dad just because of the fact that he that that was his time you know my dad uh you know that was his time you know we I ask him questions and you always answer him but um you know they prep you know they talk about what life would be and you do see course being on the base right sub school and uh is on grotto and you got the waterfront but um you really uh you see some of them you get to interact with them but it was really those you know the best instructors do a good job uh when I went through about just talking about the boat and like hey this is what life could be like you know this stuff stuff like that and I'll tell you that you have when you get down to your boat and the first that you I think we always joke about those first 72 hours or that 72 hour video but there's always something to be said about the first 72 hours like taking them shown of some things right um but I think the hardest thing is like you know it's it's real right the the navy the or the the branch or the service you're going to air surface of whatever you know it's not real until you check in and now you're really got that command ball cap you're part of the crew you get like either introduce that the in front of the crew or whatever you get your first set of quality like you're like holy crap everything they told me about is actually not here and now I got to do it and I think some of that going back to my cobb tour and coming and now is like wow like some of that is lost because either you see sailors take it and they run with it and you see some that are really have a hard time that struggle and they those are your 10 percenters because they take 90 percent of your time so uh yeah well I I can tell you about how I got to my first bow it was interesting and I really thought this is how people get detailed so I so I graduated uh I graduated best and I didn't have orders to go to a boat so they wait they put us in a waiting class of transit division whatever so for about a week and a half two weeks I was just mustering I was just like I go stand watching a building with a clipboard and take must like you know go check this door make sure there are a lot so then one morning it was like hey where's all hey we're at my morning muster like hey where my cooks at you know eight of us raised our hand and okay stay after and this head officer first class was like all right hey there's this boat there's this boat on the waterfront they need some cook help all right uh YouTube you guys want to go down now it's me and another guy like yeah we'll go down now so as he says that a white van pulls up and just yells hey these are my cooks and like yeah they're right here and I'm like oh shit going on right and I swear this drive is not long but it felt like the longest drive of your life the guy is just talking to us this it was a chief talking to us like you ain't never going down to a boat you guys you go to help them out and I think it was something with me I know we talked about earlier about me but I think it was something for like that prepping for an inspection and this stuff but you know and I'm just like oh man this is sound so cool well whatever so we get down there they chief handshake like like I do what they do I'm like okay whatever and they're like hey you know they're this now chief he just pwned us off to another chief on a boat and we're like okay cool like hey you're gonna be here to help us out right I'm like okay cool sounds great you know they introduced it to the cooks they're like one's missing he's that he's like you know we think he's uh UA we don't know we gotta go find him and I'm like oh my I'm just like this is great this is nuts so fast forward a couple more weeks we're getting ready to go under way and they're like hey you guys like what are you guys doing like we're just you know staying watching the building like you guys want to go under way well I'm like that sounds great all right I'll take care of it okay cool sounds great so we show up the day of the underway with our seabag you know they told us what the pack right like hey here's your seabag whatever we go under way and they're like hey you guys like you guys don't have orders or anything yet to the boat to a boat or anything like nah we're good like okay cool sounds great cool we get back from this month underway my first month my first underway was a month we did some cool stuff we actually anchored off in Annapolis it was cool you know we went to a football game we had some good we had a good it was a good time it was a good underway we got back I had a I had a note on my rack that said go see the barracks by the officer I was like uh oh all right you know I'm going down I smell like Amy and it's like the smell that it just because you know it's fake air my my it turns your white shirt yellow you know so I'm just there and I'm just like hey bed officer blah blah blah seeming recruit green here because I was me one and I was like see recruit green here uh reporting as ordered and then the guy that was underway with me was had one too and they were looking at us they looked down at a sheet of paper and they were like where the heck have you guys been like we've been underway uh the chief told us to go underway it's like we were about to stop y'all's pay I was like yeah like what we thought we just went we just we just eat nothing here just drives me right the next day chief's like hey guys welcome aboard to USS Sanapolis you guys are now officially here I never saw a set of orders I was never told anything next thing I knew I was I had a qual card I was the link one and had to get qualified so for the longest time I thought you just go pick up sailors if you need them you know I'm a chief on the boat I didn't grind I'm like hey you guys they were talking to someone who's complaining about sailors not having them I'm like oh we can just go to sub school and go get some and they were like you see me that's what happened to me you know and I'm like yeah you know but so I looked even when you told people don't get picked up in a white van that was me I did I got picked up in a white van yeah and and and those foundational lessons man they you know they stay with us good or bad like I yeah it's still like basic navy shit I'll be learning to this day bro like basic things that like other people knew forever like damn I never heard of this like when I went to the chief's mess that Damon was at some of like the slain they would use and all that I'm like I never heard none of this before like shit like bluff like just bluff like bottom line up front I remember I get to the chief's mess I'm at the chief's mess and somebody like man just give me the bluff I'm like don't bluff like snow on the bluff like I'm like what bluff we talking like it took me a minute so I think the first time I was like so what time he said it I had to get someone else like yo and this is Angela I was like yo Angelo keep talking about the bluff what are you talking about you know and it was like it's the bottom line up front it was okay I cool but I was a chief bro yeah I was a cop I didn't know what the bottom I didn't know what bluff was I said to my son I tell him like why does the camp keep saying give me the bluff I'm like oh what the bluff is what does that mean they're like bottom line up front I'm like okay what what do you mean like what do you want just tell him bottom line up front oh okay I'm still learning man I was like a team too man I raised my hand quick bro like what the fuck you talking about man I don't even know what the bluff they're keeping up with some of these young sailors with the sling some of the day use like I was like they they kept saying oh hey cop that's busting I'm like what what's busting they're like don't that food is good you know like yeah that's a lot man hey so what's the most challenging part of the job not just the cop thing but uh sub and cop sub and uh sub cmc cop oh man so uh I mean dealing I mean you're just dealing with what you know limited resources you know I'm saying because again right I mean we always go back to when you get when you get underway right I mean when you're important man you get great support you ask for help you're asking for guidance you're good to get it or you don't want to ask the question right you know but we you got to teach them the fish too right you can't just give them the fish and let them eat but you got to teach them the fish and um I think you know normally the average submarine is very powerful right they just proud they want to do a good job we want to be you want to be the best at what you what you're doing so uh but what the uh in your knowledge right I think some sailors again this is where uh you know you always have those great sailors that are going to take that and just run with it right you give them one task and they're going to do it they're going to do a great job and then you bring along to those other sailors that just takes a little bit and we don't you know and we don't just and I think generally and no no chief just gives up on sailor and just they keep you know bringing them along keeping them trying and like just working towards because uh DC that's right on a submarine right we don't uh DC is a big thing right I can't be able to trust you with my life when I'm in the rack sleeper and the casualty goes down that you can save you know we're going to get up when the when the you know the uh collision alarm the general alarm goes off whatever casualty it is uh but I need you to stand the watch and trust you to stand the watch so that you can save my life you know going through the submarine qualifications right because every submarine has to qualify at some it is a requirement if you cannot do that you do you can't get removed from the submarine service so uh but going through that you're not the biggest thing right you get you learn a little bit about each system even the cook right they have to learn a little bit about a new system you have to learn a little bit about the fire control system right but DC is a thing right I don't care that you're a brand new seaman on board if you are standing on a watch you have to understand the damage control of that watch what it was your responsibility and then when you're wearing fish if I'm in a casualty and I'm looking around and it's just basic DC stuff I should be able to find any uh submarine dolphin wearing sailor and be like I know you know what to do I'm gonna put you there now does that play a part with somebody who's not qualified no I you every sailor can play a plays a part you know but you do look at that like qualified in submarine you look at that you're like I know I that guy that sailor knows what to do so um and you wear I don't wear the fish with pride you know it's a it's been a requirement it's been a requirement for us to do that and I think the biggest thing is that you know having that proudness of wearing them and earning them sometimes it can get lost right it's not just the cookie cutter like here you go you now it's your turn like no you have to work hard for that yeah man I remember you know going to a school man and um we had some some manners in there man and they had the dolphin zone and the conversation went about which one was harder man the east wassa the dolphins man and they was mad I thought who's about to go to blows in there talking about which one was harder but yeah back to that though man they was very passionate about the dolphins man so what makes that qualification that that that pn so complicated like it's I know like east wassa saying we had to know a little bit about all the systems and things like that but man it seemed like them guys started talking about them dolphins man seemed like it was it was a little crazy it can be man these see stuff right you go you usually start off your car they they they've always tweaked it every so many years you know you do this now they separated in two things but like you know your basic enlisted your your basic your basic submarine card is mostly d is all dc stuff then you go to your submarine card and it's all about the systems and stuff right and you know for me when I you know certain watch stations if you're qualified can give out certain checkouts you know we have a on a virgini class we got pilot that can give out a lot of the checkouts you have engine watch supervisor that is in the new in the engine room that can give sign out a lot of stuff too and you got a whole bunch of other watches on the boat that if you're qualified a watch you can give out certain checkouts and you know I always try to keep it the same you know because it's your submarine card so I should be able to treat them it doesn't matter what your rate is whether you're a you know a legit an LS or you're a new mechanic if you're coming to me for a check out you're gonna get you're gonna ask the same questions because then it's just fair across the board you know it doesn't matter what it is you know because it's a submarine qualifier so that means it's for everybody it's not like well I'm gonna ask you harder questions because this is your actual job I need to make sure like no that's why you have your supplementary cards you know your watch station cars for the torpedo room or your watch station car for the machine room you know so it can get tough man I mean the average person man you get 12 months and do some people take the full 12 months no some people can get you know can get through it like okay cool they can do it in 90 days so do they actually retain the knowledge that you need to know right you should be able to ask any summary here a pretty basic question right I can still draw I mean it ain't gonna be perfect but I can still draw some you know some because I've been on two different classes in summaries and I can probably draw you know or explain it better than in my drawing and everything because that's that's the one thing just having to understand it other like if you can't draw it because again we have to draw everything out for the checkout and when you go to a board you have to draw a lot of things but your drawing is not great but you can explain the crap out of it I'll give you a thumbs up you're good to go man yeah so I got two questions my first question is a clarification on a word because people say it two different ways some people say Submariner and some people say Submariner I was recently told it's Submariner that's how you say it but it was from some Submariners but I've always told it was Submariner so which one is it so I'll tell you right this right you know ah man somebody used to tell me it's a I'm never it's one you know your tomato tomato you know I'm I'll never correct anybody on what it is I'll just say like this I am not a Submariner like I'm not below a Submariner you know what I'm saying like below a Mariner so Submariner you know I'm never gonna like correct somebody but actually I think I had an admiral or some 06 tell me one time because I think it was like same conversation they're like I'm not a I'm not below a Mariner I'm not a Submariner I'm a Submariner you know what I'm saying like I mean like the like the right because I always say Submariner too I always say that I'm glad to yeah people you know and it's been one of them things but the other thing is the DC piece that you talked about and I remember this right and then this kind of how I kind of realized DC is different on on the sub because we we we review Crimson Tide man you know we watch Crimson Tide we review this back when we used to review movies and Denzel was the XO in that movie right he was the XO and like he was responding to like a small fire or something on the ship and he was responding and I remember me and Damon right because we would do the reality check so I'm on there like hey because we we we review military movies on this podcast I'm on there like ain't no XO doing all that you know in the casualty and somebody from Sub's that I know is like nah homie XO is doing all that in the casualty I was like my bad you know so yeah that's how I knew that y'all are a little different yeah no the XO is a man in charge of any casualty it doesn't matter how big how small he initially he or she is initially the man in charge on the scene right you know they get there right it gets called away the XO goes there because again the XO second in command you know one you know one of the more you know the second most knowledgeable or most senior officer on board right so he always responds initially to the to the to the casualty now he will get relieved at some point which usually we try to shoot for a chief or another officer right a dolphin wearing officer nothing against a non-dolphin wearing officer but usually someone like a chief or somebody that's wearing dolphins that's an officer to relieve the XO it would not to come forward to brief the captain get recharged if it's a fire to get recharged the scba and go back in the fight and everything or just give the brief to the captain you know that one-on-one like yes sir here this is and by and it can move on so yeah i'll tell you it's a good movie but i don't know if you've seen down periscope a lot of us will always say that yeah yeah that can get you know um you know when uh jarob butler came out with uh hunter killer you know some stuff like that is uh you know infatuated for uh for movies but someone to lingo how they talk you know and uh you know what not you see how you see the role of the cob in that too and everything so it's good you know and you can never go wrong with uh hunt for it october you know stuff like that but it's uh i just tell people you know hunter killer for what it was something that was like you know infatuated but some of the stuff was cool you know it shows that you're class of submarine in a certain way and the seal at the end the seals like i can't get in this tin can i cannot expect some of the seals i run across are like i can't do what you guys do i'm like dude you're the one get shot at like what do you mean you can't come in the submarine like i can't get my claustrophobic yeah i'm like what yeah it's tough man i tell you what i saw a battleship man and it depicted ddg life exactly how ddg life nothing nothing nothing was different no um so uh proudest moment on the sub ah man that's that's hard you know i it's funny thing i usually ask a question like that because i got asked that question um by a uh admiral that i interviewed for my most proudest moment and my most uh my lowest not lowest but like failure moment and type stuff uh i think you know the um seeing sailors accomplish you know officers listed whatever but seeing like accomplished stuff coming back from a deployment seeing that proud family um uh embrace their sailor of a like welcome them home from a deployment you know and just doing well knowing what they went through to get to that point you know i i've never seen a service ship homecoming but you know seeing the submarine homecoming just seeing the families you know uh embrace you know their loved ones and and discuss what they can discuss is really nice you know in anything right you know sailors getting promoted sailors just uh stepping up doing the right thing you know when uh when they when they see something wrong you know whether it's like just out in town or just on the on the boat walking around and sometimes give you the littlest thing you know the littlest interactions with like seeing that e5 e4 correct an officer like hey sir i recommend we don't do that you know you're like oh that sailor actually gets that they know that it's wrong that's and that's hard to get because you need that peer pressure something coming from the chief coming from the cob the cmc you know it can fall on deaf year at times but then finally when you see that peer pressure then like hey we don't do that here we don't do things like that uh it is then seeing us the other e45 correct somebody else when it's like hey sir i think we need i recommend we do this it like this because i think this is against that like those that that is a great moment yeah you know well as you were talking what i was thinking about is kind of out of sequence of what we're talking about but i'm thinking about spouses right and how much patience and understanding like a spouse would have to have to put up with this type of deployment right but then that made me think about the welcome home part of it all right when you get back so my question is um and i'm sure because this changes over time right you get a young 19 20 year old seller come home the things that they do when they get home is probably different from the things that a 1920 year seller uh does when they get home but i think that the young 19 20 year old could like learn a little bit from knowing what the 1920 year seller career year seller uh does like when they get back from a long deployment so like wish your kind of like um reintegration routine for when you get back from a long deployment as far as what family and just you and life yeah um that's a great thing we um we try to do on the way back you know we from a deployment uh we try to just have those kind of discussions with the crew you know pretty much having like a liberty port brief coming back or return to home port brief and we just talk about things like hey this is some integration is how things go to you know how could feel you know don't don't get upset with your spouse don't do this try not to do that you know take time for yourself right uh listen don't always have to be you don't have to go do these things so like for me coming back so like i'm going to specifically talk to my last deployment as a cob because that one you know every coming back from every deployment has been different but this one you know i geobash my cop tour uh i was out coming i was out of san diego so i did a west pack deployment it was seven months and so my wife and kids uh had to fly out for that so this was july of 23 so they flew out for that having to deal with that and everything coming out so we um we had to find a place to you know we found an airbnb in san diego we uh got there so you know you get off the boat you get that big like uh embrace you know that uh rush of feelings i mean it's almost like being a newlywedding you know and we've been married uh this year so at that time was uh 15 years so and um but we you know that it's like a newlywed in the kids right you know they've now they my kids are you know they're at the time they're they're turning 12 and 10 they were 12 and 10 so they knew that i was gone they knew the reason was so they understood why i was gone and everything but um so i got you know we did all that embrace we we went home we we uh got some of the eat and i were going into the airbnb i mean and my wife knows this like you know for 20 minutes i was left alone i needed to be left alone i was in silence i took a shower i still snuck like the boat a little bit get out of my uniform because we were in our summer whites and uh i was just left alone for about 20 30 minutes that's just for me to like decompress and just sit there and quiet like that alone time where now i actually can get away from everybody and everything and then i engaged her you know then i and then we just started doing those things of like uh go you know like hey what do you want to do you know what was your plan because now i'm they've been doing their you know so i am now the one to get interrupted so you so so you still have that honey move face for a little bit but then once you're home uh for a couple weeks uh you know in a row you start you know little things this little things that and you're trying not to step on toes and that's hard to learn even at now when at that time it was you know we were married 15 years two kids that's that's still not easy you know they've been doing their thing and i'm the one coming in for like those uh the single sailors has it just as hard or harder just because you know they're going home to an empty room or they're leaving their brothers and sisters that they spend all this time with and they're like okay now i'm alone this is good but then like i'm gonna go out do something with them so you know just those the reintegration part just sit down and uh and have those discussions will come in back home you know like hey i'm gonna try my best like i'm please don't be sure with me please don't be upset and they say certain things and act a certain way please and i will be upset with you but please ask like if i hey i can do that i'm not trying to do it i'm not trying to tell you i want to i want to help you out because i don't think you can't do it i'm just now i can i want to help you so yeah you know it gets uh you get you can get a little fight get a little upset with each other but it's upset because it's like you both are trying to come from in a place of care like i want to help out but we've been doing this a certain way so and the kids you know the kids they fall into place you know over time and everything but you know for you know we did have a problem a couple sale i mean you always run into it from a diploma say others come home boyfriend girlfriend breaks up with them you know they go they go on a downward slope you're starting to tell them it's not the end of the world but to them it is because they they they're coming off of this high and then they hit a immediate low because neither by themselves and you know something broke up with them so you still gotta it's uh uh it's hard to teach you know and we always everybody somebody on board has a story of somebody uh you know that's a negative that is you know they either took their life or they put themselves in a position where they did something wrong you know like you had to hold them accountable you know duis you know your analysis stuff so you try to tell us how don't make stupid decisions but some of the years can't prevent so but uh yeah yeah yeah and one of the things you said was they've been doing it right they've been doing it without you so i got to hold down the spouses for a second and um admittedly we're all men so i'm going to use the example of a man with a lady right one of the other things that mom's been doing was disciplining the kids without you for x amount of months right so you try to come hold like you know daddy tango and you want to jump off the top rope and hey hey no you know what you mom just said is you know we we've been we've been disciplining them this way for x amount of time you can't come back big bad wolf dad and try to like hurry up now you grabbing them up by his collar because he ain't listening to you the first time he says something you know so that's another thing that i know bothers the spouses a little bit too because i i'm married to a lady and she has friends that's married to service members and she tells me that like hey his dad came home and grabbed them up quick yoke them up yeah we can't see you man i didn't even know you were there okay you see me now no well damn tell them the difficulties are getting you here came out like the voice of god man i know he's been at a whole time too he's been at a whole time we didn't see you man i was gonna talk about him behind his back man so you made me think about food and i gotta ask this question too about food because yeah i always thought sub food was good and it probably was from somebody that was on a sub and everybody on everything says everywhere they are the food is the best right uh until they're there and then they say the food suck why they're there but so i always thought sub food was good but you're telling me about things that's like freeze dried and all that that's making me think that the food on subs ain't that good the food is good on the boat i mean the food is good you know it's um because again right we don't um they again right there's not pre-made you know you're loading out the boat for the fun you don't have the pre-made right they always gotta cook it uh you know chop it up right you gotta use those staple items but the freeze dry the freeze dry is there just to help that longevity right you're stretching out that endurance and everything because again right you gotta load and sputch food you do can on the boat to stay out and uh not be the reason to pull in um i actually been on like a surfer ship i've been um i've I've toured a portion of a carrier and i spent about four or five days on a frigate that was actually my first appointment i we swapped 10 people um with a frigate saying everything we were off the west coast of uh west coast yeah west coast of Africa and we weren't like we were there with a frigate and they were like hey captain's like hey you guys want to swap like 10 people so i got to go with uh with one of my cooks my cs1 because he wanted a reenlist actually so we actually we actually anchored off of cam ruin and that was our port call was cam ruin i'm like i learned to appreciate water i learned to appreciate just like everything after that port call i was like i cannot be it was so like so i did 09 07 09 so up in there yeah oh yeah it was uh yeah it was 07 like it was not the the surfership was the the doile uss doile i think i did jackson blue at the time yeah don't freak it's been around for a while man yeah yeah yeah yeah i feel like asking you what the food is like compare the frigate versus i feel like asking you anything about food i'm not going to get the greatest advances because you were a cs so yeah like you got like a first hand opinion about food because you were you were right there every time right yeah every time and you know my cooks i drove my cooks crazy you know i expected like you know putting out good food is your job you know that that's your job so if you weren't putting out solid food then you you're going to hear it from it was just the way it was right you know and i was i mean some and again right you can't remake stuff like i can't go fall out more food if you screw this up you know we have a meal nobody cares you know the guys that are on watch they don't care that you just had a crappy day all they know is that at a certain time of the day they're going to get a meal so for that time you're you're going to put out the best food that you can right sometimes some stuff is what it is right i can't deep fry chicken wings deep fry i can't cook all this deep fry stuff all the time for them you're right because everybody wants that right i can't do that sorry guys i can't cook burgers every day you're going to have to just get this grilled chicken breast cajun with some cajun seasonings on it and just kind of have to live with it you know and yeah we are limited right you know the the like the starch staples your mashed potatoes your rice your your pasta right you can only you know you got to take the other stuff and try to juice that up to make it something more than what it is but you know we're we're limited uh what we can carry and and and pulling in right we don't get was an on reps you know or razzes whatever my my surface warm-off serve would always tell me like oh you don't get no on you don't get no that kind of stuff i'm like what are you talking about you know i'm a neat man your team i'm like you guys get this stuff every what 10 to 14 days possibly like yeah yeah all hands we bring it in i was like bringing it in melco i was like the helicopter amazon yeah oh that was the one that tricked me up them both you told me amazon delivery both like crazy stuff yeah you get new sneakers everything stocking up be ready for the next liberty put i didn't have movies box sets candy my wife sent care like they make it a like a art my wife was like designing carry packages if it was by if it was like close to father's day it's a father's day themed package i could i get it right on time it's crazy we had some nice games the game man amazon changed the game right there man we had somebody sneak different alcohols into uh this wasn't you not supposed to do this for the young so listen we had somebody sneak different alcohols and like soda different soda bottles uh and this was and then they had like a whole paper like a paper that's like a pms car like hey this is in the diet coke bottle this is only way i remember this man yeah i know i know i know only way how we knew only way that we knew that this happened right which it could have happened a million more times only way we knew this happened because the box fell and this was during cove it right this is during a cove it joint so the box because they were going to clean it you know they got to wipe it down and all that box was kind of open fell and one of the bottles kind of fell out and that you could smell alcohol then they saw the card and you know and the craziest thing about this right is the seller whose package it was nothing happened to the seller because the question of it was all they're going to do is deny it and say they didn't know they were getting it from whoever sent it yeah so it never like nobody ever even pursued it at all yeah you know but yeah like so yeah so so basically i say all that to say yes you can get mel and deliveries throughout the deployment on a circuit ship and it's fun it's our hands event we all out there all hands on deck passing mel food and snacks all throughout the ship and we do uh we get our uh fuel that's our evolution in itself right uh all engineers kind of we get our fuel we uh restricted maneuvering and stuff like that man i miss it is it you know i can't wait to get back out on a ship and do a deployment i really can't yeah that's the time that the man that time yeah so what do you guys do and you might have talked about a little bit but well for two questions right daily life right just normal daily life that that you can say i know some stuff y'all can't really talk about so the first question is daily life but then the second question is like what's a young submarine or do on on our downtime like i know for us on on on my cruiser when i was young we just used to watch upon tv shows uh going through different seasons movies and stuff like that are you working on quals and stuff like that so first question is daily life of a submarine or and then second one is uh what do you guys do on your downtime yeah so yeah so like that that 12 months there that first 12 months on board are critical right it's you're getting everything you're getting your call cards you're getting um adapting to a new a new way of life and those first 12 months you know you can get through that you should be able to get through the rest of your tour so those first 12 months are you're getting those introductory quals right you're learning what we call pedos to their deck topside watch for import whatever that watch station is under way you know for a fire patrol you could be standing you know plots operator assistant fire control technician of the watch for the cook right you're in their galley cooking for a for a nuke you could be learning your uh nuclear watch stations so you're progressing through that so like your day you're like you're still standing a under instruction watch and then afterwards you might do some under instructive like doing maintenance or you're qualifying and then like you still get time to sleep right you still protect sleep and that's the hardest part is that some of these sailors man they they drive themselves crazy where they're like all in got two hours of sleep and that's like well why well I was up qualifying I'm like okay thanks a lot should make I appreciate that but your sleep is still more important because even though yes I understand that you're trying to get all this done but you still need to learn how to stand a watch you know because that's just as important of this other call all these other qualifications you know in our our um the um the program that we can use to help track the qualifications you know they actually do a pretty good job when you put in the start date and the end date that you want you know you they it can do it all out for you when they're supposed to start the qual cards so some they say there's man they just put that undue stress on them thinking uh some that could be some pressure from the from a chief or a first class or another second or you know or another e4 if you're a seaman and just trying to push you because you know the you get qualified that watch that that that other sail that was standing that watch can go qualify something more senior you know so there's a little bit of that peer pressure and everything which is good but you can't have you can't have like you know it's hard to tell a sailor like hey but you need to slow it down and learn the job you know you you qualifying you learn about 90 percent of the job of that watch the the other 10 percent you're going to learn by doing doing it yourself and that's the hardest and that's the hardest 10 percent and it doesn't matter what watch is the most junior watch or the most senior watch like even even to the officer or the deck you know so um sometimes you just gotta like there's a different you can let people you can let sailors fail but you can't let it to be in jeopardy of like people's safety of course so you know I have a you know standing in that supervisor watch you know if it's underway if it's on a Virginia class called pilot you know they're the ones driving the ship you know they get the orders from the officer deck and sometimes it was they just it's hard for people because you got to repeat stuff back and you got to do a couple things at once and it's that multitask uh but again every every watch on the submarine is important right you know all the way down to the to the FSA the food service attendant right you eat but everybody's job is important and just working together so that's in general a typical day of a submarine you know this really at sea uh import you know you're doing the same stuff as pretty much anybody else right you you show up you have your work day um you could if again still be done with training um trainers or you're loading food you're doing whatever maintenance load and torpedoes load and missiles whatever um and stuff like that and uh you know as a cop I just told people like you know listen I don't want you here um if you don't have no reason to be here right yeah I was quite but if you got calls to work on you're going to be here you need to be here to do those calls and then some of the people sometimes I'm like listen you guys that are that can sign stuff you got to stay here too to help them out don't put it all in the duty section they're like oh hey just go talk to the duty guy you know so um but you know even doing those like those things to have like those uh uh those let's call them last second things because sometimes these last second things right before an underway become important and you're like well I should have done that earlier you know your power of attorney your ID card not expiring like you know it's your spouse ID card because you're you can't do your spouse can't get on base if you don't go take her and get her or get a good ID card so um those kind of things right sometimes you just got to take time for yourself and leaving at 1400 shouldn't be a bad thing right you know I you know I think uh over time you know the command I've been a part of is that used to have that like oh hey we got to stay here just in case something happens and those days they suck right especially if you're like I got nothing else to work on I got nothing to qualify I guess I'll go clean you know whatever but um you know that was one of the things that was a cob I was like you know I don't want you here just because however um if your space is not right you know if you're a divisional chief and you let your guys your sailors go and your space isn't clean your maintenance is not put away from the day before you're not ready for the next day well then yeah you're going to stay here you know then I'll keep you here just in case you know so stuff like that it's hard sometimes when you get juniors they don't understand that big picture because you're trying to train the chief you're trying to train in that chief to train the first class in the divo to make sure that like you understand that like you can't just plan for the next day chief figure you should be planning the next two weeks your first class you got to plan the next week that's e5 he should understand he should understand the next 72 hours you know so uh it takes a while man it takes a while that's crazy the language you use like train the chief and that's kind of crazy a little bit you got him to think like because you know you get to a point you know even me right I still gotta be trained right you know I'm not perfect um you know not perfect and stuff that I do but it's like you gotta train the chiefs or you gotta train certain people to think like you I think as a as a cob as a cmc you know and even in the captain right because ultimately we all work for the captain right you know I told them you know I had a great ls chief right he was you know I like the joke man he was older than he was really younger than me but I would always say people always thought he was older than me so I just kept playing along but um he uh he he brought it up in our chiefs me the one time because I was aggravated I was like you know I gave out my frustrations to them I'm one of them wanting to work on and he just said at the best he's like do you guys want to work for the cob or you want to work with the cob and it's like if you don't understand those two those two statements you're going to just have to keep working for him and because ultimately right as a cmc as a cob you're just there trying to execute the captain's mission uh to the best of your ability so uh and that's what it is right and you know I would always play devil's advocate you know I took chief strike hey cob is what I'm going to do sounds great chief okay what about this what about this hey have you really thought about doing other things I'm not you know I'm not mechanically inclined here I mean like you guys said I was a cook but I can ask these questions I stood duty chief right I stood my underway watches in the supervisor level and tried to learn everybody's job a little bit that's like hey man I'm like I'm just sitting here trying to poke holes in your plan I'm playing devil's advocate because if you can answer the questions that I have it's called make it a lot easier when you go when you go brief the duty officer or the captain you know and it's um it takes a long time for some people to understand that so uh you know and even now and being as a another level right cmc on a staff is getting chiefs to understand and like execute the um the vision that the captain has and just executing them like hey I don't need you don't need to come to me for permission but like you want to pass the idea off me I appreciate it I want you to do that and if I ask you questions it's not because I don't trust you it's like can you I want you to start thinking different you know I think we still do it I still ask questions off people like I'm like hey would you think of this because sitting alone in our office or sitting alone at a computer at times is like you jerk do you think crazy stuff yeah and I ask questions also I ask questions because I don't want to be the like like like I want to empower too though you know I mean I don't want to be the one that's up there like a dictator and ask all these things this is how we're gonna do know what you think right and once you give me those type of answers then we can bounce them off each other and see what makes sense you know and sometimes my shit be like oh shit I ain't think of that you know I mean and damn it oh I'm glad I did have this conversation so all that stuff works man yeah somewhere in what you were saying Jake it made me think uh the young seller that get mad because the cab or the CMC or whoever um told their chief or that first class about like the issue that they were having instead of telling them right other department or lcp or whatever and they're like well how come he ain't just come to me and correct me well he went to your chief or your first class because they should be the person correcting you yeah they feel like yeah it should have been him in the first place correct to your ass like but instead you know now when they go and it's ain't everybody but now when they go on and correcting you it's like hey dlcp oh said the CMC said the cop said like no I said that to you yeah because you know your seller was not doing the right thing or not in the right uniform so I said that to you you should have been said that you know I mean so now when you do go make that correction don't put my name in it exactly right it's like that's that's um the the damn xo right that that you know pull out it says that damn xo effect I told people I'll put y'all gonna say damn cop you know it's getting right you get that uh you know I was I'm sure I was a knucklehead first to your chief and everything you got a lot and and stuff to learn right but if you're not willing it's you just pass on to your junior new sailor and you said right y'all the cop is mad about this because I mean you need to do this say no man you need to own that you not recognize like the fact that like this sailor did this and that is one of the things I had a couple of chees you know my first couple months on board um as cop it was like hey let us actually it was great they were like hey we want to correct the sailors don't tell you know because it was hard you know I was a I'm a hard you know I'm a hard headed at times and I'm you know I'm passionate I'm proud I'm proud for I want you know I want I want to be the best and so sometimes that comes into like I want the boat to be the best I want people that are always like to excel and it can drive you crazy so you know I hurt people on the spot about things I don't think I said it meanly and probably did you know but uh but she's like hey we'll do it I'm like okay you're gonna own it yep we're gonna own it and you know so that was a good step forward with the chiefs and everything right and but you still get those moments those hey hey cop a cmc moments like hey they asked me a question they want an answer I'm like why me talk to your chiefs but I know I'm like well you should talk to him first because it's not fair if I just cut him under his legs because you want time off if I just say yes he's gonna have to live I said that I was like your chief makes me mad I'll just do it you know I'm saying just to prove a point but if you're telling me that your your chief's gonna give you the time off that's a different conversation right but if you're even call talk to him yet you know I'm like ah come on man so but I used to do that I actually did it one time like hey we were in the shipyard and uh they were like because I said something I oh I got selected for master chief so I so I told the crew I was like you guys think that I'm like I always advocate for you but now as a cmc I got nowhere to go I'm about to pincle my career I am not making a big point anytime soon so I was just like you can ask me anything one guy was like hey hey cmc can I get 24 hours I say sure enough shit make go for it you know they were like I told you what you want you know then I had one guy yeah but that that whole thing about like owning and you know all that like you made me think about something because I've been kind of on a wave of all right it's a culture that I own a part of and I need you to hear my voice sometime so you can know so you know so you can know my voice in this culture but really the real goal is to get your team to speak your voice right so you you just kind of helped me a little bit in that because I've now been like hey I've now been like but we only it's 246 of us we only got 26 e5 and senior and then 220 e4 but I've recently been like yo tell them come to my office like like tell them like I'm gonna set the tone in this conversation like I want you to know exactly how the triad feels right now and I really skip her but just how we feel about you know this thing I want to do it but you're right you know so you know my new goal is this a chief we need to be on the same page and you need to translate this in your own way to your cellar so like you know this could happen it's just that sometimes when people crap out on that like sometime and it don't matter where you are in like on the totem pole right you could be a cmc a cop you could be a chief you could be but when people tend to crap out so much then you want to take matters into your own hands like yo I know how to do this right and I'm not justifying it right but there's just the natural thing that you want to do like I could I could get a seller to stop you know you ever been like anything like yo y'all can't get these sellers to go to these medical appointments like y'all can't you know I can't I bet I can't you know and it's like you know and the the big test for us right in our seats is to find a way to inspire and cultivate that type of spirit through your leadership and it's a big test because this is a voluntary seat first right so that means it comes with a give a shit factor right so you have some like bit of care that the normal general person just doesn't have anyway right um and me personally me personally think that people care a little bit less more recently than before right so then you get into these uh you know you just get into these scenarios where you try where you got to motivate leaders yeah right um and I don't want us to go off on a deep end in that one but that's you know that's one right there that is uh we'll be here all night talking about that yeah that's one right there up so technology on a sub right yeah I know it's things you can't talk about but what's the most important thing on a sub that you can talk about the most important piece of equipment I mean it's it may sound cliche but I mean the people right I mean the the the operators the operate the people on the boat right I mean uh are the biggest thing right you know the equipment will always be get replaced it will always be there you know you can't if it breaks you may have the part on board you may not but you know training the people on board that we train uh and there's some of the sailors that are coming in I mean they're naturally they're naturally you know the average sailor coming in today I feel a lot smarter than when I was coming into the team right because these sailors are coming in today right they've had a cell phone an iPhone in their hand or a galaxy whatever phone you have for pretty much their entire life you know so um you know the I say that's really that's really the biggest thing right I mean the parts the uh the components that make up the sub right that's just all empty hull inside if there's not good good people willing to serve right you know volunteer again right I mean we all we all volunteered but then you got to go you got to volunteer again just to join the submarine force and go through the actual extra physical medical clearance and everything and uh to be on board so it's like it's I think it gets lost on some sailors nowadays right that like I talked about earlier like that being proud right just you know we were in a big I think we're in a big transition now where you know I was in high school when 9-11 happened right so coming into the navy in 06 it was a big you know you still had a lot of who y'all people from 9-11 right and as we go further I mean 9-11 is in their history books now so that who y'all stuff of like being just proud to serve your country um and I don't care if you serve your country for four years or 24 years right you serve your country and I should have some respect with that right and people that that are doing that and I think that's what's lost here on some of it is uh and whatnot because the submarine no matter what we're going to send ships submarines planes on deployments but that is going to be a struggle if we don't have the people inside just acknowledge like you know having enough people not not just people but enough people to do that job and being proud of doing it now I think there are some sailors out there that are very proud right there they are proud to do their job and stand up but you know those people that um you know that may weaponize you know health related stuff because that stuff that how to get out of the services you know you can find that stuff on any uh social media platform or internet and it's sad you know and uh because they're like they did sign up so they wanted to be a part of something bigger than what the what the what they were and putting on that uniform that us you know US Navy US Air Force US Army uniform should mean something Coast Guard uh you know Space Force that that shouldn't mean something and you should be proud to do it and if you're not proud to do that I don't want you in my name I don't want you in my service you know because I put that uniform every day and I know what it means to me and the family that has served my family that served in the in the military and I'm I'm like really proud you know so I uh yeah yeah yeah that's another rabbit hole man like yeah because it makes me it makes me think about like it made me think about like clubs right and not necessarily physical clubs like any any type of club but like just upon entry the one that was harder to get into is the one you're going and this really really a simple thing and y'all could disagree with you know if y'all want but like clubs upon entry the the harder one to get into is the one you're going to be most proud of on day one when you get in there right yeah uh the easier entry the least like like um sat like satisfaction you got for like the journey or whatever if it's just super easy again if you had to go through like the ringer to get into a place or something you know I think you appreciate a little bit more and you're going to do a little bit more with what you have right if we're going to throw you 30 000 and all you had to do is get like a 14 on your you know on your test whatever it's like yeah I could have did this overnight you know this was easy I'm in I'm in y'all like a minute we're 30 000 that you know and I never really thought about that I talked about that because hey the Mortimeria but like man I man I'm good my arm forces qualification test it was it was a six c but you know meanwhile if it was like nah man like now you got to get this and like it's a lead us a lead us a lead you can't then it's like damn I really I'm somewhere now now that it's going to take me a while to you know like some of those fraternities that like they go through hell and I don't mean to put nobody through but some of them go through hell you know just to get into the door you know so you know that's a whole another that's a whole another thing when it comes to proc because nobody should be I was talking to one of my sellers today and he was talking about the trainees yeah because you know when they finish training and they they just grunt on and they hate the place and I'm like how do they hate the place when they finish training what the hell happened in the three months that they were training you know what I mean well soon as they get out of training they they meet us and we all say we hate it so they hate it too it's not peer pressure you know it's like peer pressure that's the one thing man it's like that E4 or that semen that it's only been on board 12 months sometimes have more of an impact than that chief and that that's that cop at CMC and it's like man we're just not disgruntled yeah I'm disgruntled in my own way but I'm not going to show it to you all the time so you know but yeah I think it's uh I do agree with you man like you know something that's easy uh it's not you don't get that same reward and I I didn't get any bonus when I signed up I've never gotten a real lesson bonus real lesson bonus I did it I know a lot of people they just did it for the love of the game and you know and um and I think that's that could be something that's been lost on some of the sales right nowadays they just want they want something for nothing you know get our knowledge me you know I'm not rewarded enough or I'm not recognized enough I'm like you did your job today that that's that that's good enough right you know some of that stuff yeah yeah yeah and I challenge like I challenge you know and they they say they want to us to get away from like acting like a corporation or whatever like that but I challenge anybody that's at a command that they say is disgruntled with low morale or you know things like that but if you're working hard to like do things to go against that and you implement things and you are making those changes but it's still like like just perpetuated like hey it sucks here is bad here you got to throw that shit on a big screen sometime right you got to like how different companies here's our here's our third quarter numbers right they'd be like oh man those are our third like because as long as people think that it sucks people are going to think that it sucks right you have to we were just talking about this at that like our deox debrief I'm like we got to go say like hey you guys said that we had a problem with this so we initiated this this and this and since we initiated this this and this the our quantification of this issue has went down what do you guys think and then people be like oh yeah it did happen but if you don't in this day and age right if you don't get in front and put it on the screen people will be like it sucks we have a favoritism problem or we have a such and such problem you have to put that thing out on display man like you have to nowadays yeah you do and I think so speaking of that about being on display I think you know I mean the cn the current you know cnl and nikon I think they're going to do good things not just because I think there's some reasons but I think they're just you know running running into the running into I mean I've been in a couple spots where they came on board to visit and I think they're just they're no non-census or straight shooters and I did watch the one of the mcpons testimony or testified to congress one of the he's done a couple and I watched one of them I don't remember which one it was but I watched one of them and you know I think I'm hoping for good things you know I'm saying I know sometimes they may not be some of those things may not we may not be the ones to the the the recipients of it in our time but maybe those sailors that are you know the future stuff and I'm okay with that right you know it's um I want things we all want to I think we all want to leave things better than what we were or we try our best to show up every day to do the best that we can and then when we do leave that command or whenever we leave the Navy we think we we we left our mark and we hopefully we left it in a good spot yeah so I got I got like two more basic questions because for the listeners getting late and Virginia but uh Operation Epic Fury days into it you know subs are in the mix uh how did that feel just seeing that I'll tell you know the um we've been talking about you know uh not just want to say we you know the our our our appointed leaders right for however many years but always been talking about Iran and Iran and Iran and I think Operation Epic Fury came swiftly I think uh the stuff that's happening out there is good and I think that every part of the Navy is showing a good force showing a good you know showing that our training and we are able to execute that training and execute that call when needed to right I mean we got we got you got carriers what is it the the Ford or whatever the you know carry you got got service ships out there you know maybe there's subs out there maybe there's not uh you know doing doing the doing the stuff and executing the mission you know and it's great to see right and I think we are in a mindset shift right with our some of our leaders that have changed out in some of our areas that um you know in the Navy that are you know are changing that mindset of like you know we we've always been sort of on the defense right you know we're we're here on the defense we're not really on the offense and everything and training because like we all signed up whether we like it or not we signed up to answer our nation's call and whatever uh and you know and uh be ready for war in sense so yeah uh I think that's one thing that we've not really been doing as a Navy I mean currently you had Operation you know after after you know the September 11th attack you had uh uh Operation Iraqi Fury and what are all those all those other military operations afterwards and everything right yeah yeah and during for you know all those operations afterwards right then we sort of went into more of a probably a surveillance you know or defending type posture not on the offensive side you know and so um you know it's uh what we see on the news I think is a good like you know we are as a service member like this is sort of the stuff that maybe some of our parents have talked about or stuff that we have read and I mean we're we're executing it so I think we have uh I think overall I think um you know our our appointed leaders or we're we're we're executing that you know whatever whatever side you're on Republican Democrat independent you know whatever right I've I'm a service we're you know the service members we're doing what we think is right and I think uh you know we're executing the mission of our leaders and I think we're doing a hell of a job doing it so mission so what's the mission of a sub from just from that 3000 like foot view for my mom who listens to every episode and doesn't really know nothing but you guys go underwater and she might know some stuff about torpedoes but what's the mission of a sub I mean the mission of a sub man it's uh I mean we have so many different types of missions that we can execute right we have like you know stuff we can we can track subs we can track uh surface ships and everything you know anti-submarine warfare anti- you know uh surface ship warfare we can track stuff we can get you know intelligence you know it's unlimited right I mean we can operate with special forces on board and everything so I mean we can get the areas undetected where surface ships can't you know and that's just the that's the nature of it right it's a it's that alone and unafraid right because we do operate not you know but by ourselves I think you know go operating with the battle group used to be a thing uh but as a bit of late manner we've been operating you know submarines they operate alone you know and it's uh it's cool stuff right I mean the um missions that we can do and stuff like that I love I love always watching movies right and uh that it talks about submarine stuff and everything and whatnot but it's uh it's good so I guess that's like a 30 thousand type of view right and uh and you know there's a lot of stuff I wish I wish we I wish as a submarine force we could talk about but it's just one of those things we well we we stay silent for a reason you know and what we see on what and what we see on the news is uh what's on the news you know um yeah and whatnot so yeah well I mean one of the big communities that always set us up like hey you need to get somebody from subs on there subs is one of those communities that always set us up so I'm glad we able to get you on there so I got a couple questions man yeah I'll go go yeah I gotta I do got a couple questions one question I had that you brought up earlier about the you know CNO and in the mech pond being you know sub but hold up sub marinas my other sub yeah I'm sure I get it right um you brought it up earlier my question is can you give me a couple like benefits of being like you a rated master chief being the carb on there because that's what that's what I think we shooting for now right they're trying to shoot it for that program at CCL program I think it's in the echelon five of being you know a rated master chief there how did that work for you when you did it no so yeah so we have the like we you know the cobs cmc we did the same qual card we just had the the cove addendum the submarine addendum so like the um we're actually hoping to be I think it's going to come to here soon right you know as a submarine force we never you know unlike the the surface and the air side is um having that path the master chief in your rate and having a path uh and then going that command route right so like in the submarine force it's always been like hey you want to be a cob cool right you you do the board doesn't matter what your rate is you pass the board you get assigned to be a cob but you were still your rate right you were still you know for me it was still css cs when I went and then I got selected for master chief but I got selected the master chief as a cook I wasn't doing that job you know but but I was up I was the most qualified at that time and I you know amongst a group of probably whoever was at the board and I was the most qualified because I was also qualified cob so suppose there might I think there's going to be someone coming soon is that we're going to have that where our cob is going to be its own rate you know um we still can't we still have to apply for the master chief program we're not even allowed to apply for the senior chief program you know we're we're trying to there's a couple of people that might get sub disqualified for a medical condition that are senior chiefs so like we'll kind of apply to be the in the the command senior chief so I don't know of this I know of one senior chief I don't know of what the outcome is yet but um so you know I uh you know what it was 20 I passed my board in 22 um and I just didn't I didn't want to go back to be a chief you know a lead in CS on a summering so I wanted to be part of the command triad I wanted you know something more for myself not saying better but I wanted something more for myself and um because when I retire I was like well what could I do that job you know I didn't break out of my rate I wanted I'd stayed in I want to break out so um and so yeah so I think um you know it hopefully things will come because then it just like we'll have that path to master chief if you're ready because we've got something got you know we've got some you know great chief senior chiefs that just want to stay in their rate and that's great but for but till recently right to be a master chief pretty much you had to go with that command route uh whatnot so pretty much we just saw the submarine force been a little behind but what but like but the surface fleet the surface in the air side been doing it for years so okay I have my last question um what is one of the biggest myths about submarine life one of the biggest myths about submarine give me a myth if I could be bunking y'all all crazy everybody crazy in the sun oh we all crazy we're all crazy right I mean we're on something that's meant to submerge right I mean it's meant to submerge and come back up right we are I mean I guess that's one of the things right you get a uh it's funny right I mean we can argue with each other on submarineers and then you get that one other person that's not somewhere here to try to start arguing and it's like then we all just turn around like well you are like no you're not one of us um whatnot but I mean you probably see it right you know it's always interesting right the bubble the the submariners will will you know um uh seek each other out like you know if we're in a big CMC convention or you big cove or you big chief area and you start seeing a you see a submarine or you're like oh I'm gonna go talk to him I mean I want to talk to my head and geez even though like you know I don't want to do this or whatever but we sort of just stay together and everything like that so I mean I think we're all a little bit of you know crazy at times just because like we're we're on something that's man-made this is what great stuff right I think some of the uh shipyard builders that we have and welders right I mean this the submarines are man-made just like a surf ship everything's man-made and it's able to stay on water and all that kind of and that end up just to be a part of that organization and the team is like especially on its own going submerged on something um man-built you know and uh executing that is uh takes us to take somebody special you know and but nothing I'll tell you right now nothing's better than when you surface you're on the you're on top you know your surface you man the bridge and you're up top coming in at night and it's just like a sunshine like you know it's um I guess I'm getting you know a little little tenoriness here but you know seeing the sun the moon is bright with the stars you're just like all right this is pretty fucking cool like being on top and just like cruising you know so yeah and it's fresh air and so yeah yeah I don't I can't think of a better way to like in our conversation honestly right um hey I'm not we not gonna do a do better we not going to do a pick of the week none of that stuff man I just want to tell you full transparently for the listeners we trying to get into recording Thursday nights but I'll be beat up you today didn't beat us the day beat me it beat me down it's almost 10 o'clock at night gotta get back up but uh we try and get back into doing Thursday nights but hey uh ladies and gentlemen uh command master chief jake green don't lie with me that's definition of my character don't don't make my character we're gonna love to fall hey hey hey hey hey uh thanks for coming hang out with us man we we still got like 50 more questions we gotta ask you man so uh whenever you want to come back on and chop it up with us man please come back on uh we got the pill to curtain back a little bit on sub life uh hopefully some of the sub cats that been killing us uh could kind of chill for a little but uh shout out to the wild cats man shout out to you your family and all the all the ships you've been you've been on as well man yeah I think you guys are there for her oh no you go ahead oh go ahead jake yeah AJ also man I appreciate you for coming on man I and also I appreciate what you do man uh yeah you're a leadership out there on the sub is this for me I always say it man is this on a different level man it's a different level hey I think you guys man I appreciate it uh it's great listening to your podcast I think you guys got great conversations and great topics and everything I'm proud to be a part of what you guys are doing and I know you guys are killing it at your command so uh it's I'm always willing to come on have those like any any conversation you know especially sub life I I've lived it breathed it you know for my entire life you know so I'm uh it's a it's a pleasure my honor to be on what you guys do so I appreciate it thank you thank you brother thing one more thing last words for the young submariner out there just some advice for the young submariner young submariner out there uh just started you know checking in at a command on a first 72 what advice did that 20 year CMC got for that person when you go down and you've got a uh you get those first qualifiers you get those first introductions it is going to be a world of difference you can get through this when you're struggling just reach out for somebody that can give you some honest feedback and if you were uh and you were receptive to that you will be successful and you're not alone people have done it before you and people are doing it now and people will do it after you so what you're doing right now you're not the only one uh you will be successful but if you don't put it in the heart you don't put in the work that is all on you I can't do it for you but I'll be there with you along the way thanks bro appreciate it yeah Mississippi stand up um