Clueless (1995)

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And we are all here to revisit the movies that shaped us and defined our childhoods. My name is Mike Schulte and joining me as always, two dudes who would call you selfish, but not to your face. Sean, Brian, AJ, Vance, all that, go ahead. Whatever. As if. Oh yeah, as if. You're totally bugging, Mike. Yes. Guys, I've never seen this movie. What? Clueless about Clueless. That's insane. Let's go. This, that is a crime. Shaped my childhood style icon. Share. I just, the knee-high socks, the plaid, I wanted to be her. Yeah. I mean, Mike, you missed out on so many quotable lines. Yes. I'm just so old. I just, I mean, maybe I was just passed my, I am a virgin driver. Definitely. Are you a virgin? Can't drive? Definitely not a virgin, but apparently can't drive. Yeah, I'm just so old. I think I just passed my prime with this one, guys. I mean, it's just absolutely. Yeah. Right. Excuse me. What? We're working. Logan's idea. What the f***? Well, boys, today's episode is powered by our friends at Big Grove Brewery. We've got some delicious, easy eddies in our hands, which is truly the perfect way to talk classic movies with your bros. You know, they're the best. Big Grove Brewery. Cheers, my boys. Cheers. Today's movie, 1995's Clueless, we're going to do a scene by scene deep dive analysis of the entire movie. But first, we got to talk nostalgia, fun facts and reviews to set the stage. So right off the bat, Sean, why don't you tell me about the first memories of this movie, what your nostalgic rating is of Clueless. VHS. My mom worked third shift. So just my brother and I alone in the apartment. And I would section myself off and just bring a bunch of VHS tapes in there with me. This was definitely one of them. Love loved watching this movie so much fun. I'm going to give it a 7.3. 7.3 for Sean AJ. What about you on Clueless? I guys guys guys. And I say that I say that deliberately. Okay guys, because this movie for girl. Yeah. This is a girl movie. Yeah. Why am I going to watch a girl movie? And so I really didn't watch the girl movie. I only caught snippets of it and I did not want to come at this with the idea of like, I can't fake my way through that. Like not on this movie. Haven't seen enough of it. Caught little pieces on Comedy Central. I'm going to give it the N.A. So I'm right with you, man, because like I'm 13 when this comes out and it is, it is a pretty big craze around the country. People are like, yeah, this is what our life's like. And I'm about ready to enter high school. But I am so anti this, this girl chick flick kind of like Richie. Like I'm doing, I'm in the grunge scene right now. So everything in me said, you do not need to waste your time on this movie. Never watch it for the rest of your life until you're paid to do so on a podcast. Right. You haven't seen Clueless either of you. Neither of us. You know who has executive producer, Josh Miller. He said, it's been an absolute heater of a month for the podcast. And at the request of my wife, I landed on Clueless. Now, time timeline check. When this came out, I was ninth grade. So let me do some quick public school math. Carry the one. Nope. Just finished my junior year. Sick brain already deteriorating. Love that for me. And in the spirit of honesty, which this podcast absolutely demands, I've seen this movie once, maybe twice. And by scene, I mean it existed in the same room as me. Well, I was probably doing something else. I remember basically nothing about the plot. I do know it has a young Paul Rudd who I'm convinced has been 32 years old since the Clinton administration. That man has never aged a day. There needs to be a federal investigation, blood samples, something. Also, let me be very clear. Whether you like her or not, there will be zero Alicia Silverstone slander tolerated here. None. I will not stand for it. I will find you. I will burn your house down. That is mostly an idle threat, but I will think about it aggressively. Now, Clueless was a full on phenomenon like peak 90s pop culture. You open this movie and a Tom and God she falls out. Somebody says as if and the ska music just starts playing out of nowhere. Which makes it even funnier that around that same time, John Travolta dropped a movie literally called phenomenon. That was the exact opposite of a phenomenon. Just low sad. Why am I watching this energy? And then somehow right after that, he rebounds by doing a shockingly convincing Nicholas Cage impression the very next year. Career, roller coaster, no notes. So yeah, I've seen it. I remember some quotes. I remember faces. Turk from Scrubs is in this, which automatically bumps it up for me because Scrubs is elite tier comfort TV. Also, I got to ask, is this basically she's all that before it existed? Like the prototype, the beta version, though we figured it out later draft. At the end of the day, I don't have anything against this movie. And since the score doesn't matter, I'm giving it a 10. Not because I deeply analyzed it, but because I'm not risking vampire Paul Rudd showing up in my driveway at 2am asking why I gave it a six. And let's be honest, he wouldn't knock. He would already be inside. So between Sean, always invited. That is an 8.65. Nostalgia. Lee, which is going to be fairly high on the list. 8.65. Nostalgia. Lee all by itself, 27th spot of any movie we've done, not as good as Biodome, but definitely better than rookie of the year. Okay, of course. The Paul Rudd candle is lit. We can officially now drop into the fun facts of the movie provided by Sean. What do you got on this bad boy? What fun facts we have today produced by Robert Lawrence and Scott Rudin, cinematography by Bill Poop. He did the Matrix and Baby Driver. Can you stop right there? Baby Poop Driver. Is his name Poop for real? It's Bill Poop. Oh, yeah. Remember this, like two times I've described that he got nominated for Academy Award and the girl said Bill Poop. Remember those times? Edited by Deborah Chiate. Music by David Cattay. He also did Scary Movie, Bad Santa, Loser, which is another Amy Heckerling movie, and The Ice Harvest, underrated Cusack Roll. Written and directed by Amy Heckerling, she also did Look Who's Talking, Loser, European Vacation, and of course, Fast Times at Ridgemont Eye. Of course. Cast Alicia Silverstone, Stacey Dash, Brittany Murphy, Paul Rudd, Donald Faison, Elyssa Donovan, Breckenmeyer, Jeremy Sisto, Dan Hedaya, Wallace Sean, Twink Kaplan, Justin Walker, and Carl Gottlieb is in this, the writer of JAWS. Originally, Amy Heckerling was going to turn her idea for Clueless into a television series. There was some interest in the spec script, but producers were nervous. The story was too female-oriented and wanted more male characters to appeal to a wider demographic. Heckerling was inspired by the Jane Austen story Emma and based Shares Carefree, Positive Nature, off of that titular character. Heckerling also went to Beverly Hills High School to research the culture of high school kids. The script eventually found its way in the hands of producer Scott Rudden, who loved it and transitioned the project from Fox to Paramount. Amy Heckerling saw Alicia Silverstone in the Cryin music video for Aerosmith and kept her in mind for share. Although she met with and saw additions for numerous actresses in Hollywood, including Reese Witherspoon, Heckerling couldn't choke that Silverstone was the right call. Almost every young actor in Hollywood was considered for the role of Josh, including our friend Steve Zahn. Paul Rudd would eventually win out, however, but they would go on to star in Anaconda together. Clueless was released on July 19- what a world. That's what I was going to say. That's how you know that we're in the matrix. What a fucking world. That's how you know. Yeah. Clueless was released on- you know, it's just fucking crazy. It's cracks. It's just- it just got done talking. Clueless was released on July 19, 1995 and on a budget of 12 million, the film made 88 million and at the box office- at the box office, it went on to become a short-lived TV series. There are rumors that a legacy sequel is in development with Silverstone reprising her role and the film has gone on to inspire numerous films and television series like Mean Girls. And Paul Rudd is going to come back at his same age as a time traveler. And that's what it is. Yeah. Don't do it. Okay, up next we have AJ. AJ did the research for us. We got to know what the fans and the critics had to say about this movie. What do you got? They might be himnily challenged, but they're definitely riding the Crimson Wave. It's the Tomato Man. That's gross. That's top tier of the year so far. How about it, huh? It's a good one. Huh? 82% certified fresh. That's per the fans, right? So that- no, that's per the critics. Per the critics. It is tied with a league of their own and the jerk of any movies we've done per the critics. I like that. All right. Okay. 76% in the popcorn meter. And then you got a 6.9. On IMDB. Listen to what the fans think this is exactly like. The Burbs, Cutting Edge, UHF, and Grandma's Boy. Yes. That's exactly it. This is exactly what it is. Yeah, nailed it. Thank you, fans. No notes. Let's see what we got here. Hal Henson over at The Washington Post gave it an 80 out of 100. Ultimately, Heckerling's portrait is affectionate and in places even sweet, enabling us to laugh at them and embrace all of them at the same time. Great. John Petrachis at the Chicago Tribune 75 out of 100. Clueless is no fast times when it comes to character development or the merging of comedy and drama. And it might have worked better if it had been more story oriented and plot centered. But thanks to Heckerling's spirited direction and cutting edge script, it is like majorly and furiously golden. Nice. Like, yeah. He sound, John Petrachis? Yeah. Sounds like an ex general of the United States of America. I believe it is. And he just became a movie critic. That's awesome. It also sounds like a type of dinosaur, a Petrachis. Oh, that's a Petrachisaurus. Or like a part of a dinosaur. Petrachisaurus. His Petrachis is protruding. Oh, no. He just, oh, he fractured his Petrachis. That's gonna, that's gonna take a lot of time. You're right. You're right. Peter Travers, Rolling Stone, said the plot is a name, Valgeek speak is a cliche, cliche, cliche. It's so cliche. Clichéed. And Heckerling was more incisive covering similar hormonal ground 13 years ago in fast times at Ridgemont High. But there's still wicked good fun to be had. Wicked. Wicked. Yeah. Oh, and Glee remand entertainment weekly 58. There are funny bits in the name of Amy Heckerling's high school satire, satire. But the characters are, are teen movie zombies with no discernible personality apart from their trend, trendoid obsessions. Tren-doid. Tren-doid. I can come up with weird words too. Yeah. Same. I'm a writer. Okay. I make up my own world. Isabelle over in a letterboxed gave this a 4.5, not 4.5, 4.5. Is it incest? I still don't know. Four stars, young cinephiles shaking hands with 40 year old mothers about Paul Rudd. That's great. Five stars, Logan just said cinematic comfort food. Lucy said she's got a point. She's an icon. She's a legend and she is the moment. Come on now. Not sure if this movie has ever gotten better, movies have ever gotten better than this to be honest. I miss the days of ska and teen comedies. No. Paul Rudd is my daddy. Yes. Mild family relations are okay if it's Paul Rudd. And Silverstone. Don't leave her out of this. All right. We're all here for it. No, don't act like you're not. I'll never forget that my parents went to see this movie on their first date. Wow. That's awesome. That's really cool. Pretty epic. I'm going to tell my kids about how we went and saw Click. And then yell that young kid at Applebee's. That's going to be a fun story. Yeah, remember? That's dope. And then let's see here. The scene where they find out Christian is gay and Dion gets so frazzled, she accidentally drives onto the freeway and almost kills everyone in the car while they get flipped off by a grandma plays on a constant loop in my head every time I have to get on the freeway and I really wouldn't have it any other way. Nice. That's it. Well, boys, it's time to dissect Clueless scene by scene with a modern eye. But first, I must make a profound statement. So OK, the attorney general says there's too much violence on podcasts and that should stop. Even if you took out all the violent podcasts, you could still see the news. So until mankind is peaceful enough not to have violence on the news, there's no point in taking it out of podcasts that need it for entertainment value. Make sure you turn in next week because we're going to be very violent. Thank you. Thank you. Here we go. So scene one, Cher Horowitz is a wealthy, stylish Beverly Hills high schooler who rules her social world alongside her best friend, Dion. When she gets a disappointing grade in debate class, she schemes to negotiate her grades up. At home, she banters with Josh, her ex stepbrothers who challenges her worldview. And calls out her superficial tendencies. I just hate how she references him as her ex. Brother, the first time I saw that, I was like, what? I feel like I missed the whole idea. Like start the movie over. Be like, no, hold on a second. What? No. Oh, you're talking about can we clarify right now that this is their stepbrother and sister ex stepbrother and sister because the parents are no longer together. Yes. OK. And the mom had Paul Rudd's character, Josh, with another man, a different man before she married her dad. They're not related whatsoever. They're zero relation. Yeah. OK. OK. OK. So zero relation. So did this start like the porn hub trend then basically? Are people just going back to Clue this being like, that was kind of tight. It's kind of hot. Man, I just wish I had a step sister. Man, it's like forbidden fruit. It's like forbidden, but it's not. But like whatever. Mom and dad should have thought more about this before they put us in the same house. Yeah. I'm stuck. Ah. Is there stuck step sister? Let's look it up right now. Here, let me do it. I don't know, Mike. We've been working so late. I'm just getting a little bit too tired. Parents are out on a date. God. Is it getting hot in here next to this paperwork? Make a turkey sandwich with just mayo and that's it. We'll talk about it. One piece of turkey. What the fuck? We'll get there. Put the mayo on the turkey instead of the bread too. What an absolute psycho. He is a vampire because he doesn't know how to make sandwiches. I lose respect for him. Yeah. Jesus. Glam rock intro. Girl punk, was it at Kids in America or something? I feel like every movie like this just automatically starts. I don't give a damn about repetition. We're the kids in America. Yeah. It's the same. We don't get to do stuff because we are. We don't have phones. We're going to do stuff unless our parents say so. And let's just say no. Dang, dang, dang, dang, dang, dang, dang, dang, dang, dang. You know, people talk a lot of shit about like, you know, modern music and like auto tune, but like, man, these guys needed it so bad. This is probably the worst song I've ever heard my entire life. No, it's not. They're so bad at singing. No, it's not. I know it's punk rock to not be good, but. If you could give it, if you could give it no stars, would you, Mike? I would, but I could only give it one. It has to start this way. It has to. I mean, it's great. Iconic outfit that she has. This is the yellow like plaid. Plad. Yeah. It's, it's so, so cool. Like, I wanted to do a little bit more research on the, the costuming in this, but this is like pretty underrated in my opinion, because it's kind of like a De Niro and casino or a Sharon Stone and casino, where it's just almost every scene she has a different outfit on. They said overall, like the costuming budget was like over $200,000. Yeah. It would have surprised me because they really wanted to sell it. Like these guys got to have different hip, cool clothes on in every scene and they do. And I read that though. They're like, actually it was only like $200,000 for like the budget of this. Only? And they said only. I'm like, only? Only? And yeah, but apparently that, that outfit in the beginning is like the most expensive one out of all of them that maybe actually cost somewhere to five digits or something like that. We'll probably be talking a ton about Alicia in this movie, but like, she's such a great actress. And I, and right from the, and okay, keep in mind, I've never seen this movie. And all I know is like, at this like, fuck it. I don't want to be associated with this movie. But then you start watching it and you're like, oh, okay. Like she's really good at playing this role. You can feel she's, she's walking through the high school yard and she's talking about how she doesn't like high school boys. You can literally feel her absolute disgust when they are like bumping into, like she's like, she doesn't say anything, but her physical appearance is like so good. Yeah. I can feel it from her. It's, and like it's kind of refreshing to it does become this a little later on, but not to like an annoying extent where like she's really not sexually interested in anything, like leading up to that point at least, you know, anything or anybody. And she's, she's just a fun character to watch. She's got like a couple things. And like not, not even that, that's kind of reducing a little bit. She's got a lot on her mind. But one of the most important is like trying to be the specific way. But it's almost like she's not trying to be, she just is. And everyone else is taking from her, to be honest. And as her character in the school. Yeah. It's a complicated character because she's dumb, but she's smart. But she like once she's like manifesting this, but also that's just who she is. It's, it's wild. It's like so many deep layers of how to really like figure this girl out. And I think maybe that's why people have really held on to this movie for so long is cause it's just like, it's kind of deep a little bit in a few ways. Yeah. It's way day wayfair from April 25th through the 27th. You can score the best deals for in and around your home guys, like up to 80% off with free shipping on everything. 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Because so number one, it means she's catalogued her entire wardrobe with pictures onto like a digital camera and then probably like uploaded them somehow into this, whatever this algorithm is. Which somehow is turning them into transparent PNGs. Yep. It's like, this is advanced. So this is pretty advanced shit that we're talking about. Okay. And then on top of that, then she's cycling through them and there's an algorithm that matches this. So she basically invented face mesh for her clothes before face mesh. So she created artificial intelligence. She created Facebook, guys. Mark Zuckerberg ripped this off from Clueless. He did. Mark Zuckerberg, like his older brother was in this class. Correct. Yeah. And so he found out about it and was like, and Mark Zuckerberg is like, I could never have any of those girls because I'm so lame. I'm going to get back at them. Shove it down their face. Yeah. This is too easy. Yeah. But then you have to go, you have to look at this and it's like, oh, that shirt didn't match that skirt. And you're like, I guess not. And then it just matches like the plaid jacket to the matching plaid skirt. And it's like, oh, a match. It's like, did you need this whole thing for this? I thought the one before it like did actually match. It was like, these colors are going on here. It's like, fuck if I know. Yeah. I mean, I have no idea what's cool anymore. Once a month I walk out and Molly goes, I go, you're right. It's like, I know, I know. Really? Fabletics again. Really? That's why all I wear is fabletics. It's because it's just black. It just works. It just works. Dude, her speech made me laugh so hard because it reminded me immediately of the Miss Teen USA. Remember South Carolina back in 2007? The such as Libya and the Iraqs. The Iraqs. Such as? And such as that made me laugh so hard because that's kind of how her speech is. And apparently she said the Hades. Like that was not in the... But generally, yeah. Dude, she just said it because she didn't know how to pronounce it and directors like... Yeah, the script. Shut up. Nobody say a fucking word. The script supervisor came over and they're like, we fumbled this. We got to do it again. And she's like, no, we don't have to do it again. Trust me. We don't. She read it better than you wrote it. So that's what it is. And that's what I meant. Like she's dumb because she can't pronounce the word Haitians. But yet the speech kind of makes sense by the time it gets to the end. She's got an incredible vocabulary. Like she even says later something to the effect of like with Ren and Stippy, like they're existential. Existential. And they're like they are. Paul Rudd's like or Josh is like, do you even know what you're saying? Half the time she's like, no, but did it sound smart? And it's like she does know what she's saying. She just doesn't realize it. She dropped another thing in here too. I forgot to write it down, but she's like she uses big words that I look up. I go, are they making a joke here? And you're like, no, that's fucking that's exactly what that is. No, she's really it's almost like to attend things I hate about you kind of level. Yeah. Where it's not like so kind of groaning Shakespeare kind of stuff. It's more like, I guess, Jane Austen. And I don't really know the difference to be honest, but I was kind of dreading that like, oh yeah, is this movie kind of just going to do like Shakespeare one liners or Jane Austen one liners and it kind of does it to a certain extent, but they're just big words. It's not like dust thou protest, whatever kind of bullshit, you know. Yeah, we don't have we don't have Joseph Gordon Levitt, you know, reciting the Shakespeare of Hamlet and Taming the Shrew. Yeah, exactly. Which reminds me that that dark night Heath Ledger being the dark night and 10 things about you video kind of popped off again. And I still don't understand for the life of me, all the people in the comments being like, did you know that that's not true because 10 things was based on Taming of the Shrew. It's like, what does that have to do with it? What the fuck does that have to do with anything that I'm saying? I know that. So I'm going to put it on there. So people like it. Hey, I have a comment that's kind of pertains to it. Right on. Right on. Thanks. Thanks, Internet. I really appreciate you guys, man. This is so cool. And you get Wallace Sean, who I didn't know was an actual teacher back in the day. So he really was. Yeah. Wallace Sean is the Mr. Hall. Mr. Hall. Yeah, he's Mr. Hall. You mean in real life he was? Yeah. Oh, cool. Yeah, an actual teacher. He had experience with this, but and I think he was a speech teacher. It's also Sicilian. Yeah. Speaking of great comments. You know what? I'm going to go like that. It was kind of a perfect thing. Because she drops her generational catchphrase as if. Wallace Sean on screen, I'm like, speaking of generational catchphrases, like, holy shit. Yeah, no shit. That's a good point. It was just right there. Yeah. And that was before. When did Princess Bride come out? That was Princess Bride was way before. It was way before. Yeah. So I mean, just crazy. Yeah. Generational. It is. It is. And to get him to do this, it's kind of weird. And I don't know where a little bit, I guess. I don't know. You could I could compare Amy Heckerling to like a Rob Reiner. Okay. Kind of like the kind of journeyman kind of films. Yeah, I don't know. Because I just think that he it's a little out of place for him. I'm like, oh, yeah, like a stage actor Wallace Sean pretty much. I don't know. It's just weird to see him in here, but he kills it. Yeah. I mean, I think him popping up was like very refreshing for me. And it kind of like got me brought back into the whole experience. Sort of same. To be honest. So I was like, oh, sick Wallace Sean. Good. Breckenmeyer actually did that for me. Yeah. Yeah, he did too. This is, I guess, one of his first roles for Breckenmeyer. And like, man, the dude, the dude made me laugh the whole movie. Like when he gets his report card the first time and he's gonna like basically jump out the window and he's refrained from suicide attempts. Yeah. And when he does his, his thank you speech for the absentees. That was pretty great. You're, he, that this is, I was, I wasn't quite getting the movie on my first watch. I was like, OK, OK. And then this is when I started to settle in. This is when I started to go, OK, I see where we're going. Did you know that it was the same woman who directed Fast Times? I did not. I didn't realize that. Yeah. Knowing that now, does it kind of make a lot more sense? Because I feel like Fast Times kind of starts like this a little bit in a way. It does. Like there's really, it's kind of meandering a little bit. Like where's the point really? What is the plot of this movie? Yeah. Yeah. And it doesn't really come to like halfway in and like the same with Fast Times, I feel like too. I feel like Breckenmeier is basically Spicoli's son. Yeah, definitely. That's what I was thinking. So, so then you make that and you kind of get this like, you feel like there's these, the spiritual sequel-ness to it, if you will. I like that. You know, very well could have been as far as this could be Ridgemont High. You know what I mean? As far as I'm concerned, it's just in the 90s, not the, what was it, 80s? Yeah. SL. Yeah. She makes more comments too. One more thing on Breckenmeier. I love the line where he's like, the way I feel about the Rolling Stones are the way my kids are going to feel about Ninish Nails. It's like, I'm not quite sure that's the thing. Maybe like Oasis. What do you guys think? Well, I think at the time though, think about, you're just making me pop this in my head. At the time, like we very much view the Stones like they've come back into favor. Like I think we can all agree, Rolling Stones, like fucking classic. But in the 90s, like the Stones were not that great. They like tried to put out an album back in the mid 90s that was like, and so I feel like it made more sense for his comment now. Oh, I see. Because, but now I'm going, no, I feel the same way about Ninish Nails and the Stones. Like I like them both. What are you, where are you going? Yeah. I mean, but like as the Rolling Stones were to their parents, I imagine like in the 60s, it's just, it's the band. Like maybe in the 90s, Oasis maybe the band or something, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Oasis and Sublime. There you go. Blur. Blur. The Verve. Or hey, how about Radiohead because she drops another line. She says the maudlin music of college kids. Maudlin meaning like sad, brooding. She like drops that word that nobody uses. But shut up bitch. That's fake plastic trees by Radiohead. That's one of the greatest songs ever written. Take a step back, okay? This man has good taste in music, okay? This man is light years ahead of you as far as I'm concerned, okay? Whether or not he's trying to grow a goatee or not. Yes, correct. I wonder what she listens to. She never does. Does she? Does she never listens to music? No, she does. She never has it on in the car, does she? Never at home. I mean, probably just like the hit at the time. Oh, tell me what you want, whatever you want. Spice Girls. Yeah. Who let the dogs out. Absolutely. Yes. Did you catch the ball? My ball with the ball. No, she loves. She's listening to Jeremy right now by Pearl Jarrah. Oh, yeah. That's the harm. That's the harm. Oh, yeah. She strikes me as a, well, more like a black. You know, kind of. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She, it's, it's, that's her way of getting into like trying to impress Josh. You know, glad to listen to Pearl Jarrah. She really impressed him with hair of the dog. Oh, yeah. I'm go hungry. It's super group, man. Temple of the dogs. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Gotcha. Somebody was calling AJ out on YouTube today about music lyrics. So I have to step in and protect you guys. Thank you. Oh, okay. Thanks. Sorry, I didn't protect you last time. That's okay. It's okay. You know, I get it. Did you catch the line? She said when they finally show her house, she goes, she says, my house is classic. The columns date back to 1972. Such a great line. And, but, but that's kind of how smart this movie is. Cause like the first time I heard it, I thought zero of it. I was like, oh yeah, that does look kind of like old 1972. That's old. Yeah. Wait a minute. That would have only been 23 years. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. That's like saying, that's like saying, yeah, is it like me in my house? It's exactly the same. Almost the exact same like timeframe. It's like 2026. I'm like, yeah, dates back all the way to 2001. That's the same damn thing. Oh my God. I think cause Silverstone was 18 when she made this. So I assume maybe like they're playing her as like 1617. She's supposed to be 15. 15. Oh God. Yes. It'll, we'll get to that. Okay. So, but like she was born in 1976, I think. Okay. Silverstone. So it's like, yeah, it's classic. It's classic. Remember? It's a dang good thing, man, that they didn't like, like take it too much further with her then honestly, because like, like fast times. Sure. You know what I mean? Cause at that point, you, fast times you've got them dropping off a girl in a grocery cart and shit in front of their house. That happened in fast times? Was that fast? That's animal house. Animal house. Sorry. I was like, what? Yeah, you're right. My bad, but still. But still. Fast times. I was like, yeah. Yeah. Well, whatever. But no, it's a good thing they didn't take that far. But then again, that felt more on somberly, like fast times. Yeah, you're right. Whereas this does feel like we have our main characters. Totally. You know what I mean? So a little bit different. Yeah, it's a good point. Well, seem to share puts her scheme to work by matchmaking Mr. Hall and Ms. Geist. It works and she is celebrated around school. Things shift when new student tie arrives. Share takes tie under her wing, giving her a full makeover and trying to elevate her status. She orchestrates interactions between tie and Elton, culminating in a party where tie gets accidentally knocked out and Elton seems to play the hero. Shit like surfing the crimson waves is like shit you never heard in movies before. Never. You know, the line, I felt impotent and out of control, which I really hate. But like, so there's no one's like and literally thought like, wait, she should say impotent. Yeah, I know. Like it's kind of shocking to see this character as like she even describes herself in a self-deprecating way as like a ditch with her credit card. But then she says lines like this, as we've been talking about, it's like could be further from the truth. It's honestly, to me, I don't know that I really think that she is like smarter than we think she is as the audience. I really think that she is just saying the words and stuff that she has heard and read in some of the books and from her dad. But saying them correctly, unbeknownst to her, is what I mean. Yeah. That's why it's very entertaining. Well, and some, but sometimes she's not though. And like that's the beauty of it. It's like sometimes she gets it right and sometimes she doesn't. It's not that she is one way or the other. That's an interesting thought that she's like smart enough to like know to try it, but also not smart enough to think that it means what it means. Like the whole thought about the report cards being negotiable is weird to me because I'm like, what the fuck? But then I'm like, this actually makes sense. If you think about it, teachers are human. Teachers have their own agenda and likes and like, why couldn't you just literally go, no, no, no. I'm going to appeal to this teacher to make them like me more. Yeah. It like makes complete sense to me. Especially in something like a debate class. Yes. That is borderline strictly, unless you have, hey, in this debate, you're supposed to check box A, B and C. You didn't check, and D, but you didn't check B. So I'm going to give you a C plus or a B minus. It's subjective. It's all subjective unless you're doing like, you didn't do one of the parameters, but in this case though, it's like, What are the parameters? I just feel like this. AJ, that's why I declared English as my major in college because I asked my student advisor, do I have to take tests? Yeah. There's no, it's not black and white in English. It's like write a paper on your opinion of this book. Yeah. Like done. Yeah. Well, I know some people are the opposite of me, but I that's what I would prefer. Smoke weed in front of my fight club poster and write a paper. Fuck at it. Oh, hold my club poster. Help me guide my hand tonight as I write. He lit a candle, drank some Mickey's small liquor and the book. My left hand has a Mickey's duct tape to it. Like I got to finish this paper before I could put it. Dude, those little green grenades. Yeah, that's right. No, the 40s. Oh, excuse me. 40s of Mickey's, the head grenades, dude. That's a bad rap. That's not a bad drink. It's not bad. You know, hey, it is what it is, brother. But I'll tell you what, Mike, I was kind of the opposite way because I would just rather take a test and be like, cool, I can just be done with this shit now, right? I hate it to constantly have homework. I hated homework, but I would go and take a test and I'd be able to get a good grade on it. So I was just like, yeah, it's just black and white. It's just what the answer is that you probably want. And then there's the discernment inside of like, well, it's been this and this and, oh, the longest answer is going to be the like, when it's multiple choices, going to be the right answer like 90% of the time. So I can just discern like through, you know, there's no way there'll be three A's in a row. Yeah, exactly. It's not possible. Yeah, there's not, they're not going to do that. I did have one teacher that actually did that one time. They were all A's. They made sure like every answer was A on on this multiple choice. Genius. I thought it was fucking hilarious. Because nobody's getting 100% on that. You're like, there's no fucking way. Right. And it's not possible. It was really funny. So, but anyways, yeah. Did you keep, yeah, go ahead. Josh reading Frederick Nietzsche. I was watching this with my wife who was for some reason here. Yeah, I don't know. Oh yeah, in the studio. With your wife? No, that was like a dream or something. I don't know what was going on, but I was watching this with her and it was a shot of Paul Rudd with like dark clothes on, dark sunglasses, reading Frederick Nietzsche. And she's like, that's you. Like, God. Thank you. Trying to grow a goatee. Yeah, sitting next to a pool while doing it. In a trench coat. Perfectly good pool that I could swim in. You mean opening a bag of Cheetos and dumping them inside of a container and eating them out of the container instead of the bag? Is that you? I think. Why do people do that? Why do people do anything? That's rich behavior. That is rich people behavior. That's someone doing their dishes for them behavior. Exactly. That's that's the same behavior as getting all of the sandwich stuff out, even getting a cutting board out that you're not going to use for cutting and then spreading mayo onto the turkey of the sandwich and then making the sandwich, taking a bite and walking away and leaving everything out on the counter. So that way it's like for what? You got to think about what Josh, Josh is 18, 19, 20 years old in this movie. He's a college kid living in the dorms. The idea of him coming back to this rich household that's full of food is just I put myself back in that position. It's got to be great. It's great. You just you have no rules. You just go whatever I leave this here, I do this here. It's fine. Yeah. He really epitomizes that age range. You know, maybe yeah and maybe I'm just being old and crotchety about it because like, you know, when I do that to myself. You're being a Barney. I'm pissed at myself because I left it out and I'm just like, God dang it. All right, I'll put it away now. But like you're right. Maybe now he's actually just nailing this in the sense of just like, I mean, he doesn't have any responsibility in this and there is a maid who is scared shitless of the dad. Of Dan Hadea. I am too. He's great. But also Brittany Murphy, first time I've ever seen her in a movie. And movie star right off the bat, I think, or just like such a watchable actress forever, obviously until her demise. But hey, movies are forever, man. Absolutely. So cool to see her in this and be reminded of how fucking good she is. Isn't it a little bit presumptuous and like kind of almost kind of shitty of like, although the intentions are good, isn't it kind of shitty for Alicia Silverstone to be like, I'm going to fix you. Yeah, very much is. Okay, good. I just want to make sure all the same. It's it very much is. These are the these are the teetering of the character of Cher, the whole movie. We're like, do I like you? I'm judging you, but I'll help. She's so adorably clueless. They said it. They say it like four times. Paul Rudd gets to say it a big one. And how about Stacy Dash, man? Like she's she's a really great counterpart to Cher. The funny thing is, is I knew the name Stacy, Stacy Dash. I don't really know her from anything else. Not really. But there's a there's a Travis Scott, a sicko mode, that song, sicko mode. It's one of my favorite Travis Scott songs. He says Stacy Dash. Most of these girls ain't got a clue. It says one of the lines. Oh yeah. Yeah. It rings a bell. Yeah. And yeah. And that's how I knew the name Stacy Dash. Yeah. But I didn't know who it was. And then I saw her. I go, who is this? Stacy Dash. Fuck yeah. I remember Travis Scott said it. And then I moved on with my life, but she's pretty hot. She's good. Yeah. Yeah. She's she's really good. And that's the way you're right. I think she's a great kind of anchor and sort of reminder to share that like what she kind of wants later, like she she sees them kind of relationship after the kind of car incident. She's like, I want a boyfriend, that kind of shit. And yeah, no, I think I think she's a great sort of like second in command of this of their click. Yeah. Second in command. That's good. Because it's made out to be those two are sort of the main people in the school. Yeah. Yeah. I think so. Yeah. I like I really do like her. I think she's kind of this good counterpart, like almost a little bit of a man eater, at least for her relationship with Donald Faizon. Just like, you know, she's she's strong stands up to woman. It's like, I told you I don't like to be called woman. It's like, Miss Dion. Donald Faizon, like what a great and the brazen. On top and like he's literally carrying his pants. Do you see his belt? It's like, his belt's not even hooked up, but he's got one of his pants. It's such a it's such a funny character to analyze like that. He and it just like that he probably built. I'm sure he did. And put together. Right. I just I love it so much. And they're they're really great back and forth together. Him and Dion. Yeah. The the he I watched an interview with him and he said that the character was described as a Beverly Hills gangster. And like, I don't see her like a wannabe rapper. I'm like, I don't see any of that. I'm glad he changed it up. However, he did. He's just a kid to me. Just a kid with braces. Yeah. Yeah. But who also needs to like shave his head. There too. Explain to me what what is the what is the big deal like at the party? He's shaving his head. I'm going to shave my head. She goes, I'm going to call your mom. Like, why is this a big threat that she's going to call his mom? Like, I've got to go home eventually. I assume he's rich, too, to be honest. Oh, the all these people. This is Beverly Hills High School or whatever. And she she like she goes to work but has the trophy son, you know, that's what that's what it feels like to me. But is she trying to get him to stop from shaving his head? He's already kind of done it. So she's going to like tattletail that he shaved his head, but he's still going to go home tomorrow. Yeah. I mean, he's going to go home and like it's like he's going to wear a hat constantly. Okay. It's like getting a tattoo but never taking your shirt off. Right. Exactly. Okay. It may just be one of those. There you go. You're wearing a stocking hat. It's June in California. Well, that's that's what's up, mom. Yep. I'm keeping it real. I'm keeping it real. Come on, man. Chill, chill. You don't get it. It's not that it's not that hot. If a woman just started laughing at me in my face, one, I'd be like checks out. Two, I'll be like, like if it carried on for too long, I'd be like, what the fuck is going on? Because she's just like act like Travis, right? Travis, Travis Birkenstock. His dad obviously invented Birkenstock. 100%. Of course. That's that's not even a fan. He missed out on the inheritance. But she's like, yeah, act like Travis just said something really funny and she just starts laughing. I'd be like, I'm too high for this man. What is going on? But then that's something about Britney Murphy because like I'm charmed by it. Absolutely. I'm like, I don't even care what I did, but just keep laughing. And it works. Jeremy Sisto comes on over. It works perfectly. Who is it? Dan Hadea plays her dad. That line stuck with me. Like she sends over the report card and he goes, it's such a subtle. He says, I couldn't be happier than if they were based on real grades. There are real grades. That is a deep line, dude, because I would, I'm much happier that you got shitty grades and debated and lawyer your way to getting them changed to good grades, as opposed to you just being a good student. Correct. Fucking awesome. That's a pretty great response. Yeah. It's a pretty great response. I feel like I would not get that response in my household. No. What so ever. Did you read her report card? Did you pause it? Yeah. There was like, it was like C's and then they returned to like A's and B's. Yeah. They were all turned to like A's and B's, but they had comments in the back. Oh, I read it. I read it. The box like just geometry. It just says nice shapes. And I'm like, that seems sexual. It was a male teacher that said nice shapes and geometry. Yeah. Like your geometry. All right. English English composition said excellent composition and vocabulary, which we agree with debate unprepared and undisciplined. Bio one wouldn't dissect a frog, which is, which tracks Fizz ed must learn responsibility. World history must try harder to pay attention to current events. World history. Not current events. Like what the hell? Yeah. Right. Come on, man. I just thought that was funny because some of the remarks are bad, but they're just A's. They're just changed over to A's. History repeats itself. You need to pay attention to current events. Can we talk about Elton? Yeah. Let me check something here. Please. All the people named after famous musicians in this movie. Well, that, but I believe so. Yeah. Hit me that button. Oh, you. Oh, my friend. Oh, man. If we were on a train to go punch a face, I'm on board. Nothing against Jeremy Siso, the actor. I really do like him. I think he's great in a movie called May. But Elton can go eat shit. Okay. I was, I don't like him. I was initially going to give it to Christian. Yeah. Because I very much do not like Christian as a character. But then it, as the movie went on, I kept coming back to Elton, especially when he's just, he's always like, can we get a pass from class? Like my foot hurts. Can I go to the nurse? Fucking shit. I got a phone. I mean, and like the cranberries, when he's singing cranberries in the car, you're going to get it. Well, he just like, even like when she's in class doing all the, all the nice shit and it's like helping everyone else out too. She's, he's sitting behind her and always like, she's throwing the cheek and is always like, I thought they were dating or something. I know. I thought like, even after all the talk of her saying, she, you know, high school boys are, are stupid and disgusting. It's like, but this guy's all over you and you're kind of like in with it. I don't know. It felt very weird and I didn't know how to take it either. It did. Yeah. Yeah. I don't like, he's handsy. He's handsy. Get the fuck off me and Elton, you can go get it. Bam. Yeah. Get on him. This party is really fun. Is it a Christmas movie? I need to, I need to give you my punchable face. It's important. No, it's Elton. No, no, mine, mine is not. And it is, there is very specifically, we're going to need to pull up a video of it at some point. So I can show you, but when we first see the mighty, mighty boss tones come up across and I'm not talking about the skanker, not talking about the skanker. I'm talking about the very first guy we see dancing up on a pedestal. Oh, okay. And he's got this long belt and he's just doing like, I watched it this morning. It's like some girl. And that's the first time I saw him. That's like, what the hell is this guy doing? It is the worst. We need a clip of this. I need a punchable face. I need just somebody to just commiserate with me on this. We take our shirt design with the punch in front of the train and we just animate it to just come across screen and punch it. Yes. Yes. That'd be great. You could also nominate the kid, puking in the pool. True. You could puke anywhere. Ruin the party. Don't fucking puke in my pool. Oh my God. Yeah. Please don't. What an ass. God. Let's go on to scene three. Daryl. On the way home from the party, Cher rejects Elton and is stranded and mugged, forcing herself to call Josh for help. Meanwhile, Cher becomes infatuated with a new student, Christian. They attend a party together where Josh quietly looks out for her, even dancing with Ty to make her feel included. Cher tries to seduce Christian later, but he shows zero interest, eventually leaving her to realize that he's gay. Is this a Christmas movie or is this just like a party house where they just don't give a fuck? It's apparently, well, that in this scene, she gets dropped off at that community store and there are Christmas lights all up. And when they leave the party, Ty has her Christmas light plugged in. What are they going to do? They're just going to drive until it unhooks. Yeah. This is a Christmas movie. It's a Christmas movie. Yeah. Well, you're welcome. Yeah. Thanks, man. Appreciate that. Madden to the fucking list of Christmas movies. A circus liquor, just like an LA staple for me in movies at least. And on top of that, you guys have seen circus liquor, that sign in movies. I believe it's Big Lebowski. I think I've seen it in a couple of things. It's a gas station. It's a liquor store. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. The clown is very, very distinguishable. Yeah. But on top of that, another thing that I want to say is Amy Heckerling's LA movies are very LA. She didn't do Valley Girl, but that's a really great LA movie in my mind. And obviously, when we did Fast Times, we were in LA, we did it with Raiders. We wanted to do a specifically LA movie. Yes. Yes. And I feel like she films LA, especially like Valley stuff, very, very well. I don't know. It's like that peak of, I don't know, movies nowadays, you could just, I don't know, it's whatever, but this makes LA look fucking awesome. I agree. Yeah. That's a good call. I think very much in line even with like Karate Kid, you know? Sure. Very much very similar tendencies, I guess. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. How about Paul Rudd? We just have to have a moment to talk about him. I know we've touched on this. Oh. Give us a call there. Give us a call, man. So Paul, Paul Rudd, there's been a meme floating around that needs to be discussed because it has been 21 years since Clueless premiered. And that is apparently only six months in Paul Rudd time because the man literally looks exactly the same. Really does. This is, this is his first movie that came out, but apparently he filmed Halloween first. Halloween six came out after this, but he filmed it first. So the man, the man is literally kind of a nobody at this point when he gets this role, but it's, it's hard for me to believe that he's supposed to be a 19-20 year old. Yeah. And this is when he's just 25 and now he's 45, 46, 47, and he looks the exact same. Whatever. People, it looked man, people just, they just aged different back then, you know what I mean? Back then. Back then. And then I was alive then. I aged really bad. Bro, 1996, this is 1995. Yeah. That was 30 years ago, brother. Like 30, 30 years between now. Oh, did I say 21 years? How long ago did this came out 31 years ago? 31 years ago. So the meme's been floating around for, wait, oh five, 15. Yeah, this came out 31 years ago. I said 21 and we're going to leave that so that the internet will comment on what I said. Yeah, that'd be good numbers there. This is 1995. If it was 1995, it's the equivalent of it being 1960, 1960. Yeah, there you go. What do you think about this movie? Well, he's, he's, well, number one, it's Paul Wright. He's brilliant. Okay. No, I really like him. I think that he is, it was a really interesting attempt to do like a heart throb kind of a thing. But like at the same time, I don't think that's what they, what you necessarily want for this character. He needs to be like- Is he supposed to be a heart throb in this? I feels like it's, they're kind of like, especially there's some shots of him that's like, they're trying to heart throb him up a little bit, but you don't want him to be the heart throb, like the prize at the end necessarily. At least you don't want to be thinking that the whole movie. Did you think when you're going into this first, the first time, did you think this is how it was going to end? Did you think it was going to be her and Paul Rudd? I had zero clue. Fake me to fuck out. You were clueless? Hit it! It's you around the corner. Like- Let me get my Frederick Nietzsche book. Yeah. Dude, well, that's the thing. Like I think they, they did such a good job of just like, I don't know, the ebb and flow of his character. It's like at points you're like, oh yeah, I definitely want that to be the way it ends. But then at other times, especially when he's out by the pool and he's like trying to grow the goatee and stuff, and you're like, okay, so he's not. They're trying to like kind of make him dark and mysterious. But then he's back at the lawyer table and it's like, you're not dark and mysterious. So I don't know. I think he does it. He just, he serves this role perfectly. I'll just leave it at that. Yeah, I agree with you that there's like some weird ups and downs with him, especially like when he realizes that he likes Cher as well. He gets pretty, you know, cringy to me. Yeah. With the coal mating scene before they kiss. But then like their argument scenes like back and forth between them is just pretty brother and sister, isn't it? Sure. Also like those kinds of love stories that start off with like someone that they don't watch. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Two weeks, two weeks notice. I don't know, whatever. Or like, I guess kind of like 10 things I hate about you. Yeah. Yeah, he does like the dark and mysterious kind of thing. But what really shocks me is that he is in this movie supposed to be what 18, or sorry, 20. He's at least 18, probably 19 or 20 is what his age is supposed to be. And then she's just 15. 15. We're assuming that he, like, because he's out of high school. He is a college student. Student, yes. Trying to be a lawyer. Correct. That's right. Okay. She even says earlier on, she has that awesome line where Ty says she's going to be 16 in May. And then Cher says, well, my birthday is in April. As someone older, I can give you some advice. She's a month older and she's like, I'm going to give you advice. But yeah, they are about to turn 16 when the school's years over. So I mean, that means they're sophomores? They are sophomores. She's in grade 10. Gotcha. Okay. Says it on the report card. Oh, it does. Yes. Okay. Great. If you would have paused it and read it, you would have seen that. I should have done that. I should have. I should have stopped. Yeah, you psychopath. You should have stopped the movie. Do you even do research? I do have a potential theory here for you. I'd love to know your thoughts. Do you think that the dad wants Josh and Cher to be together? Yes. Yes. Right. Okay. So there's a weird, there's a weird smile the dad gives to Josh when Josh finally leaves. He goes, he kind of looks at the table. He's like, we're getting this going. Go to the party. Yeah. Yeah. He wants, yeah. Okay. Go to the party. Yeah. Go to the party. You should, yeah, you should go. Okay. Whatever. And then he kind of does the start. He does that little smile. And I think, I think he really likes Josh because there's no reason why if I'm married to someone with a step kid that I need to hang on to step kid. Like that, that's ridiculous what he says. He goes, you divorce wives. You don't divorce children. It's like, well, you sure can if they're a college kid. It's a nice sentiment. But like, yeah, he is an adult. Yeah. Yeah. So I think he really likes Josh. I think he's grooming Josh to take over the company. And I think he wants, I think he really wants his daughter to end up with someone like Josh. And I think he is trying to facilitate a 20 year old man to date and have sex with his f***ing year old daughter. Right. So that they can eventually get married. Yes. It's kind of crazy. He's basically been arranging this marriage is what he's, is what he's. He has. Yes. Yep. Old, old, old rules. And I probably will bleep that out because I think when I said that, I'm thinking that you probably don't want to say that out loud. Oh yeah. So that whole thing. No, just the, just the age. Yeah. Yeah. There's a difference in age. You don't want to get comments on that? I know I want to get, I want people to be able to hear it instead of being blacklisted in black flag because I said that. I see. Black flag. F*** yeah. That's not the point. I see what you're doing. No. Can we talk about Christian? Yes, please dude. Where do I park? I'm referring to where's the chair that I'm sitting in. I was like, oh, if, oh. I, I immediately was like, no, no, this is not the f***ing guy that's, that this is going to end up with my share. Like from, from the start, this mother f***er walking in, they didn't, I mean, I know this is the nineties, but the eyebrows are connecting and I know I'm not really wanting to talk, but my man, your eyebrows are, are connecting in this movie and you are a heartthrob. Yeah. Just, I just want to throw this out. His eyebrows look like Rockham Sockham robots this whole time. And I'm like, I'm like, and then he walks in and he's got, he's got pants that are pleated deeper than. What the f*** is that supposed to mean? Oh, I see. Yeah. Wait a minute. Let me get my Rockham Sockham robot and see what he's. For reference. Oh, okay, good job. Wow. Nice pull. Excuse me. No, I just, yeah, you got it. Like, I, I am, like he's got, he's got like these f***ing pants on that the pleats run deeper than the trenches of World War One. Like this is the worst thing ever. And Dan Hadea has one of the best lines about it. He's like, well, you think Savy Davis Jr. dying to leave it opening in the rat pack? What's going on here? It's just like, it's pretty great. Hey man. Nice pile of bricks he got here. Nice pile of bricks he got here. It's like, Jesus. The way he walks in the door without even like saying, hi, can I come in? Yeah. Yeah. What's up? Josh takes his hat off, gives it to me. Yeah. That's f***ing my favorite. Yeah. Do we not like him? I mean, he eventually, I think they're playing you. I think they don't want you to like him. And then eventually we'll, we come around on it once the, uh, Absolutely. Yeah. Once the facade is gone of what they're trying, because they are trying to trick you. They're trying to trick her and us the first time you see this movie to not think that he's gay. But do you pick up on it quick? It's kind of, yeah. Yeah, you got it. I got it. He nailed it, dude. It's kind of weird to think about because I hate him until he's gay. What's that say? Like, you know what I mean? But I think that's what you're supposed to think. Yeah. Oh, okay. Oh, he's gay. It's fine. Oh, he's gay. Then yeah, I can't, I can't hate him anymore. Is that what you're saying? I guess you're saying, I guess I'm saying like, how could, what did she see in him? Because he looks like Luke Perry. Yeah. That's it. Yeah. Sure, sure. Luke Perry dresses nice, drives, you know, he's very well like put together, you know, as far as it all goes, compared to what she calls like the riffraff of high school boys. Which we just saw the slow motion montage of like dude's dressing. Holy shit, man. I did dress like that. My bad. See? So, but yeah, I think you are, and yes, we have these like redeeming moments though for Christian. And like, at first, yeah, I hate him. I'm just like, this is, he's like, it's like annoying the way he is. It's annoying. He's deep in his own bit. You know what I mean? Yeah. So I got to respect that a little bit. Sure. All right. When he comes over to watch the movies and she just confidently says, we watched two movies, some like it hot and sporadicus. Sporadicus. And just so fast and so confident that the first time you hear it, you go, yeah. That movie's sporadicus. Oh, Spartacus. Son of a, yeah. Son of a Tony Curtis. Yeah. Tony Curtis. Yeah. Oh, Stanley Kubrick. Shout out. Shout out. Call us. Shout out. Give it a, uh, sponsor us. Sponsor us. But can we talk about money, money, boss zones, but fuck please, let's go. What do we think about ska? This is the first time I ever knew it existed. Really? Yeah. Okay. Oh, I guess that's about true because this would have been right into the era where this would have been a giant thing. It was a short lived fad, but, uh, ska was like the holy shit. ska's the new thing. I can see you as a fan of ska. Nope. Hate it. ska. Okay. At any time, anytime you start throwing in like, uh, trombones and trumpets in a band and there's a guy who dances on the stage. Dude, he's a pro skanker. Okay. Good. Dude's just skanking. It's not for me. I did like Mighty, Mighty Boston. I liked their song. The impression I get, uh, knock on, whatever that, that radio hit was pretty good because it wasn't that ska. It was sort of like a little more mainstream, but ska was never a thing for me and I don't quite get it. They were a Boston hardcore band before they were ska band. And then they just said, uh, yeah, and then this has made money. Yeah, of course. Kind of like sugar Ray, remember sugar Ray's first album? Like that song was, uh, uh, I just want to fly was kind of a joke. Yeah. The rest of it was kind of hardcore. Limbisket faith was sort of a joke. Chili peppers. Yeah. Never mind. Yeah. Look at the man got ahold of the job. Shit, man. It's like we're in Wayne's basement, but we're not in Wayne's basement anymore. That's a haiku. All right. Uh, no, what we're talking about now, um, Mighty Mighty Boston's man. So unfortunately, unfortunately, Mike, I had a, in my 1991 Buick Riviera, I had the tape deck connected to the CD cassette thing and I had a Mighty Mighty Boston CD that I got for my brother, Ray. I think I just inherited a bunch of like his stuff, his CDs. And, uh, yeah, I definitely listened to that a lot, uh, and not ironically. So did you see them in the movie and go, yeah, I was like, no, because I didn't know who it was. I knew right away. I knew I eventually knew it was Mighty Mighty Boston. Yeah. Yeah. I did. Like eventually I was like, oh, it's Mighty Mighty Boston's. Okay. But they weren't playing like one of their big hits or anything. It was just like, we just need a scoban. We need a band. Why was this the thing for these types of movies? We need a band and they got a lot of stuff on stage. So that way it looks interesting in the background. Nailed it. All of these movies had, like there had to be a scene where they went somewhere and a band was playing. Yeah. And it's like, if there wasn't enough, it was like, if it was a four piece rock band, there's not enough going on. We need more horns and we need a skanker up there. I mean, do we not like it? I like it. Just like it's okay. It's not like my favorite band appearance in any movie. No, I don't mean Mighty Mighty Boston's Jim Brewer singing for Mighty Mighty Boston. Yeah. Yeah. But bands in these like 90s teen movies. Yeah. I like it more when it's like this as opposed to something in like 10 things I hate about you. When they like really try to incorporate it like, oh, everyone's going to understand letters to Cleo. It's like nobody fucking got it. Yeah. It's not like they built this movie around a single that they're like, we're going to sell this. Yeah. They were like, who cares what song they're playing? Just show a band, show people dancing really weird and up and down and then let's move on with the plot. Yeah. Hey, Mighty Mighty Boss Tones, we want you to redo a Buddy Holly song. Okay. And then play it in the movie. In the movie. Is that cool? Yeah. How about you do that? We'll make you huge. Yeah. It's like, I'm glad they didn't do that. They had plenty of shots of the band and we were like, it's probably enough to be like, see the Mighty Mighty Boss Tones guys, but it wasn't like 10 things I hate about you. The lamest stage dive I've ever seen in my fucking life. Come on, bro. And like it makes me, I have respect for Boss Tones, but I kind of lose it with that stage dive. The MMB, you got respect for him? MMB, baby. MMB. I don't know. It was, I agree with you, Sean. I remember kind of like looking away and then, I remember, I must have looked down at my phone real quick and I looked up and he was in the crowd. I go, oh shit. Every while did I go, oh shit. This is fucking terrible. And then just goes for it. I'm like, all right. Hardcore, man. This makes you wonder if they had to film this without any actual music happening. Sure. You know what I mean? And it was awkward as fuck. Yeah. Because like people are dancing like at weird, weird rhythms in times and you're just like, yeah, I wonder if they're even playing. There's probably just, in that room you actually see her. Accidental hit of a symbol. Without a kick drum. Yeah. It's just like, the worst sound in the world. A symbol without a kick drum accompanying it. You didn't want to make a night of it with the ringeting kid? Fucking love that one. Who says that, Christian? No, Josh doesn't. The ringeting kid. Fuck dude. Well, scene four, Ty survives a dramatic mall incident, which unexpectedly boosts her popularity. As Ty climbs the social ladder, she begins to adopt the same shallow trade share once encouraged, creating tension between them. After failing your driving test and feeling lost, share is blindsided when Ty reveals she has a crush on Josh. This sparks unexpected jealousy and share leading to a fight that fractures their friendship. It's kind of interesting that share is so upset about this like damsel in distress thing. When like, she literally, these two dudes hung her over a second floor balcony. It's not like she was like, oh my God. It's not like in Goonies when she's like, this creature jumped out of the bushes and tried to kill us. Oh my God. It was a fish on a rake. Like, you're not over exaggerating. Two dudes literally held you over a balcony at the mall. You don't do that. And by the way, strangers. I did, I did for the first time see her sitting on that ledge. Go, what the fuck are you doing? Don't do that. Why are you sitting on that ledge? But also the two dudes literally for fun hanging her over it. This is a true damsel in distress story that she should be very frightened for her friend. And this is obviously like, you know, Christian's redemption idea. You know what I mean? And then we don't see him again, do we? We don't really see him much. Well, no, we get a little bit more out. Yeah, we get like him talking in the background of some people. Yeah, he's that was it. His arcs over. Yeah, his arc is over. Like he's he's now part of their clique. I feel like right. He's gay, bro. He's gay. Fits right in. You can't not include him once you find this out. I mean, he's exactly Ralph Lauren, man. We've we've gone too far. Now we have to include him. We can't because if we don't then online, they're going to bully us because we people are going to say it was gay. And now he's not in our group, you know, he was leading me on and I she's oh, but he saved Thai. So that's fine. Okay. We can't do that. They're going to think we hate the gays. So. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I mean. I mean, I agree. If this is a modern day movie. Yeah, absolutely. Fuck no. You know, speaking modern day movies, this is it's all pretty damn inclusive for as far as 1995 goes. And then like and then but you're right. Like this, this is the moment I don't like you say, Mike, I don't get it. That's bullshit. Christian has his little bit of redemption. I wish he would have gotten like a good like just one good just hit, right? One good punch. It's like that dude can throw a fucking punch. Let's go. But he doesn't quite kind of saves her. And then she's upset about this. I don't get it upset that ties getting her glow up now. That's all she wanted, but she wanted to be a part of the glow. I see. Yeah. And now all of a sudden she's not ties going without her and everybody's loving Thai and she doesn't have a seat at the table right now. She says she she created a monster. But I was like, Oh, this is the point of the movie. Like she had to make a version of herself to realize like her flaws and Yeah. Oh my God. Okay. So it's basically Frankenstein. Yeah. Gotcha. Clueless is basically Frankenstein. Clueless is basically Frankenstein. Humanity or Encino man. It's basically Encino. Think about it. You know, they get this caveman and we're going to be cool with this caveman together. Caveman's cooler than you are. Yep. I'm just saying, man. So honestly Encino man is the clueless. The male version of clueless. What did Encino man come out? 90. Let's say 93. Guesses. Encino man 92 you. Son of a bitch. So clueless. So Encino man is the prequel to clueless. Yeah. Yeah. It's the spiritual prequel to clueless. I just wish movies would do things like that. Like Murphy as a caveman. Wouldn't it be funny if there was just some mention of just like, remember a couple years ago when there was a caveman there? It's just like they just move on. I know. Like, wouldn't it just be funny? That's why our show exists. You just see Link in the background or you see Paulie Shore pushing him up. No, Link is the driving instructor. Oh dude. Now we're fucking talking. Now we're talking. Red wheel. And Paulie Shore is in the background pushing him up with Steve Couser. There is a reference to Paulie Shore in this that she says like as bad as a Paulie Shore movie or something. She says, searching for boys in high school is as useless as searching for meaning in a Paulie Shore movie. And actually I feel like that's a dig at high school boys and I feel like it's a dig at a Paulie Shore, but it's not. It's like it's the idea that like you're searching for the meaning in something that doesn't need to be searched for. Yeah. I hope. There we go. I think it was meant as a dig, but I like it as more of like a no. This isn't meant to have meaning. High school relationships are not meant to have meaning. What's. Yeah. It's like us doing a review of bio delm. Yeah. It's useless. Yeah, but it's but it sure is a lot of fun once you take out the the like thought that it's going to lead to something bigger and there you go. No, I don't think even Paulie Shore would be like I made bio dome to make a statement on the planet earth. Yeah. He made bio dome to make people laugh and have fun, which some people did. Exactly. Few people did. There was some. We did. Yes. There you go. We did. How many people is Sharon Love with during this movie though too? It's a very good take on like high. She she's so involved and so like everything means so much to her, but she moves on from things so fast. Even later on when she's walking down the street being like, oh no. Do I have that? Does that come in my size? It's such a good commentary on the brain of like a 15, 16 year old. Absolutely. Yeah. Everything's so important, but it's not because I'll move on because she's in love with, she at one point she is kind of in love with Elton. I think I think we have to assume that maybe she got it. Yeah. She kind of has that back and forth, you know, that internal turmoil. She's in love with Elton. I think she's kind of in love with Travis for a second. Do we think so? Oh, I don't know. Did anybody get that? Like when he's redeemed himself and she's on her little warp, her little path to do good. I felt like there was a little connection there. Maybe the soul makeover kind of thing. I think that I would like to say that I think there's a difference for her of like her being in love with something or is her romanticizing. Okay. You know, because it's like once something positive happens, and again, it's kind of a conceited or a selfish, you know, flaw of her. Once something good happens that she sees something that she wants to be a part of, then she's romanticizes it. You know, that's what I think. Yeah. She does all these things or like considers Miss Geis kind of relief program or whatever before she does her soul makeover. She considers it because it would look good because that would make her look good as far as like her image. And that's all that really matters to her. And now it's like she wants to do it because she wants to feel good about it. And she realizes to me anyway, she realizes that like the makeover in her helping everybody out that she wanted to, she's realizing now that that's what brought her joy was seeing, you know, like Miss Geis and Mr. Hall get together. Old people are so cute. Yeah. Like it really brought them joy and they are cute together. I mean, Christ's sake. But she did that for her own image before this. Yeah. And now she's realizing that she actually enjoys that internally, you know. Yeah. What about all the driving stuff in this movie? Like you got the driving test here. She's just an absolute terrible driver. And they don't really try to hide the stunt driver. I don't know if you guys noticed that. Yeah. They just, they just go, whatever. That's it. It's a girl. She's driving. You'll believe it's her. But even like, it would be amazing if it was like a guy in a wig, like in rad on the bike. Just like, we can't women stunt drivers don't exist. Okay. So we got to put a guy in a wig. Okay. Got just a very strong like masculine just guy with a good chin and an Adam's apple. Just like in the driver's seat with like, you know, flowing locks. Oh man, it'd be great. But aside from that, you got to bring up that highway drive that I mean, like, dude, this is not really her fault. If you look at the way everybody else is driving in this scene, like, I mean, I know it's LA and you got to be assertive on the road, but Jesus Christ, that truck in the back of the only thing she's doing bad is going 30. Yeah. Like that's it. Like, but, but she, she runs into the worst nightmares that a freeway or a highway has to offer, especially merging on. Oh God. Just like a group of motorcycle, just loud ass fucking obnoxious motorcycles. Going into early semi Hawkin at her, you know, like it is the worst of the worst when it comes to highway driving. That's a good point. I do remember like getting at once you first started driving, you're like, I'm gonna get the hang of this, but interstate. I don't know, dude. It's really funny that they've just never been on the interstate before. It's just avoid this. There is no reason to go on there, which is true of LA highways. It takes 20 minutes to get anywhere. I tell you, I love that. Again, I love that. That's such a, it's like 20 minutes. Final scene, scene five, motivated to grow. Cher decides to become less, less self centered and more compassionate. Cher repairs her friendship with Ty, encouraging her to reunite with Travis after he proves himself in a skateboarding competition. She also throws herself into charity work, helping others, genuinely evolving as a person while assisting her father's legal team. Cher makes a mistake, but is defended and comforted by Josh, leading to a heartfelt moment where they finally admit their feelings. Film concludes at Mr. Hall and Miss Guy's wedding, where all the characters come together. Speaking of Dan Hadea again, I love the interaction between him and Cher, where she's like, I like this boy, but he likes someone else referring to Josh. And he's like, how could that be? He is. I love that she is a killer dad, man. I think he is. He's just like, he's so, he is so much of like a, she says like, you know, a scary litigator lawyer. He's like one of the best. He makes $500 an hour to fight with people. To fight with people, but he fights me for free because I'm his daughter. Hey, daddy, this is Ty. Get out of my chair. You know what? Like I kind of feel this like 100%. Like there's only, it's very, it's very rare. I have my kid and then there's my friend's kids that I'm also like, oh, that was so pretty. But then I see like some other, like other kids at like a daycare or something. And I'm just like, I'll give a shit about you. Yep. You know, I think that's Dan Hadea here. And it's just like, you're just like, you're not my fucking kid. Get out of here. Like what are you doing in my chair? Care. But if it was his daughter, he'd be like, you sit there and I would just go, I'll pull one up. I'll pull up a stool. Yeah. You know what I mean? What else does he say there, Sean? He's like, you know, you're the most beautiful girl in LA. Yeah. And he says, and as a matter of fact, even if you, this boy did come around, I don't think I'd want him hanging out with you. Because he's an idiot. Fucking great dad, man. Yeah. Dan Hadea is, I love seeing him in movies. Like, well, how many movies have his and we've covered? Like what, five now or something? Maybe? Do you think so? Something like that. Well, I mean, he, I think he's gone on record saying how much this is like one of his favorite roles. Oh, really? That he's really done. Cool. Um, and, you know what, it makes sense because I think he does get kind of pigeonholed into kind of like, not a main bad guy, but like a negative presence or a bit of a antagonist. Yeah, like Adam's family, you know. Adam's family, Rookie of the Year. Yeah. You know, that kind of stuff. He kind of gets pigeonholed to that. Whereas this, yeah, he's like maybe the same kind of presence, but his intentions are different. And I think that's really cool. Is that really more of a recent 90s thing where, you know, like these movies, these teen high school movies always need to kind of have that dad presence? Like we just did it with 10 things I hate about you where it's just, you have the dad that comes off tough, but then eventually by the end, there's this better relationship. I love that aspect of 90s. And also on top of that, both those movies, Clueless and 10 Things, the mom is out of the picture. No mom. Right. Isn't that weird? Mm-hmm. Too much, yeah, too many, it's a female story. We got to, we can't have more females. I guess. Yeah. Yeah, that's interesting. Being a female story, and it's like there's some play to have the father presence and dynamic come in rather than like a mother. Yeah, you got to figure it out. You can't ask mom for advice, I guess. And there are movies out there that have like the mother-daughter dynamic instead. But, but yeah, that's, that is, it's kind of a common theme, huh? Do you think this, this legal assistant that works for his dad is just completely, completely right for being pissed off here? Like it's him and, him and then Josh and Cher are at the table and they're, they're like playing footsie and like, this guy's like, mother fucker. You look like Pippi Longsuck. You look like Forrest Gump. This is great. He's like, can we just fucking get the work done? Like we're, we have a huge giant case deadline and she fucks up and like he's right to be mad at us. And he's like, we're, we're fucked now. You, you, because you guys were not paying attention. You're a 15 year old girl. Why are you even doing this? Why are you even here? My friend over here, you're fucking 20 years old and you're flirting with a 15 year old across from me when we're trying to work, meaning your brain is not working correctly. And I love that he gets pissed off here because he's absolutely right. What do you think he is? A junior guy on this, on this case or something? And he's clearly important because earlier on there was a ton of people there and now it's just him. This guy's important. Way after he needs to be here. Way after. Well, he's either really important or he is not important because he's the last one there. Guess who gets in trouble out of these three though. Sure, absolutely. Because he's not their kid. Not Josh who's going to take over the company someday. You're fired. And he knows this. So he has every right to be pissed, but then in the same vein, he also could have maybe just said those things you said out loud. Mike, hey, you're a 15 year old. You're a 20 year old, like intern, like, like college kid. Like who just happens to be able to be on this case because of who, you know, dad is. Like I get it. I see why you're here. I don't want any help right now if I'm the only one here. He could have Adam Sandard from Airheads. Listen, I know what you're doing and I don't like it. I don't like it. He could have Robert De Niro from Casino. Like, I'm going to have to take care of this because of you. Yeah. That kind of shit that Mickey does to him. Yeah, exactly. So I'm just saying he is, he's has every right to be upset. He has every right to be equally upset with himself. There you go. Because he's fucked. He's going to have to go to a rival firm now and start over from the bottom. I can't wait to watch it. Let's see who we buy it. Wait to watch them make out. Yeah. You know what I mean? Let's go, man. Right. What are we waiting for? Come on. Okay. Okay, Sean. So they kiss and then it cuts. She goes, I can tell you what happened next. And I go in my brain, I go, I go, no. Are you fucking kidding me? And then it's referring to getting married, right? Yeah. So like half of me is kind of relieved that she wasn't referring to sex. But they had sex, obviously, right? She's saying, no, I'm only 15, 16. I wouldn't do that. But she's talking about marriage. I believe is what they're trying to go for, right? Yeah. Yeah. I don't know if they had sex right then and there, like on the fucking stairs. I think they did. And that was okay. But the getting married, it's like, this isn't Alabama. It's California. We can't get married until we're 18. It's like, if we can have sex though with a 20-year-old. Well, that's, you know what? The way that they're making out at the end of all this, I mean, just going at it right there at somebody else's wedding. True. I'm bugging myself. Is that the first Paul Rudd moment of his career where he like does something and you're like, keep doing that. He did that one. I'm gonna make it right there. That whatever that was, keep that going. But you're right, AJ, in front of like a public wedding. Oh, yeah. In front of their teachers, her teachers. Yeah. And by the way, it is also the most unbelievable part of this entire movie is the fact that teachers have their wedding. Keep going. And then the students are showing up. Keep going. And that... One of them's a bridesmaid. One of them's a bridesmaid. Thank you. It's just like, what the fuck is going on? Can you imagine if two of your... You're a sophomore in high school and two of your teachers got married and one of your classmates was a bridesmaid in their wedding. Yeah. And you got invited to it. Oh, they're dead. They're done for. None of these fucking students... None of these students are either A, getting invited. And if they did, they aren't there. They are going. They are going. What if you got invited to one of your teachers' weddings? Like you got the invite and the man like, come on out. Like, yeah, it's gonna be fun. Fuck no. No, I have to see you every single day. We're gonna be like, surfing every day and going to Aerosmith concerts. Yeah. Not a fucking chance, dude. It's a major like... Like, what do you call that? Like a statute of like... Parent teacher, like... Yeah. Copinatiality, yeah. I can't think of the term for whatever fucking reason. We're not friends. It's like, no, you have to keep those things separate. Okay? We should have hang out. Yeah. Why don't we hang out? Yeah. I don't think we should. I don't think we should do that. There's also a cut in here when she... When they get done kissing or whatever. She's like, you can see what happens next. And it's like... And it's the back of them. But what's seemingly a black hair Paul Rudd as the groom, but they didn't change Miss Geist. And so when they cut from that establishing shot, they cut to Wallace John, who does not have a full hair, full head of black hair on him. He does not have to fucking rewatch this. And you know what happened next. Yeah. Me and Josh, we didn't work out. Josh married Miss Geist. You know, a person that he should. And two adults consented and got married. And yeah, that's about what happened. And then I just went on with my sophomore year. There we go. That's what should have happened, you guys. Well, yeah. Does it change anything for you knowing that this is 1995 and they're saying that it's okay for a 20 year old and a 15 year old step siblings to date? No, this change anything for you. Tenderness is playing. And I fucking love that song. Hey, man, parlance of the times. Am I right? Is it a parlance of the times? Am I right? Yeah. Am I right? In the 80s, you can be like, the 90s with a female director and writer? I think that's what makes it okay. And also... Fuck you. And also there's a gay guy in the movie too. So since you got all those elements... There's a couple black people, a gay guy. There's an Asian. There is an Asian. We're doing pretty good here. This is way ahead of its time. Except for the whole underage sex and stuff like that. Right. No, no, I think so. Tenderness, that's where Skeeter Hansen comes in. Skeeter, Doug Funney. So Patty Manna is. Well, what else you got, Sean? That is it. High school. Well, my friends, we have dissected this movie scene by scene. It's time to give it our modern ratings. This will be etched in stone. You can see all of our ratings of the movies we've done at confusedbreakfast.com. You can also support the show directly by going to patreon.com. Slash confused breakfast. Lots of great perks, voting on upcoming movies, direct access to us in the discord. Weekly bonus. Weekly bonus. Clueless. Weekly bonus audio episodes and top tier Little Lebowski achiever tier gets you the reviews read on air by yourselves before we drop our scores. AJ, anybody in the private chat Patreon today that want to give a review of this? Oh, yeah. We got Uncle Buck Hunter. I think this is his first new guy? Yeah, new into our Little Lebowski. What a name. And achievers, what a perfect name. Very jealous. Something I wish I would have come up with. Uncle Buck Hunter had this in there. I was in high school, hanging out with my girlfriend the first time I watched Clueless. Back then, while watching, there was a bunch of eye rolls at a total chick flick I was being forced to watch. There were moments of, hey, it's the dad from Night at the Roxbury. And that's Brian Fantana, Anchorman. Needless to say, I wasn't totally into it. Maybe it was the fact that I had grown up in a small town, small roll town in Montana. So I didn't really connect with the 90s California teens. Upon second watch, 17 years later, though, still totally not stoked on it. Some of the acting felt like a little wooden at times. I still didn't relate with any of the characters. The funny moments from Dan Hadea, Breck and Meyer, Donald Faison were bridged together over a fairly insignificant story. If I'm going to put that in a high school comedy, I'm going with Dazed and Confused, Super Bad or Can't Hardly Wait. Now, please excuse me. I'm surf of the Crimson Wave and need to haul ass to the ladies room. Nostalgic, meh, for a modern 2.5. Whoa. Well, everybody's got a right to their opinion. I do want to know Sean's opinion on this. What is your final? That's less endangerment. Where did you go? Modern day score. What do you think about this, buddy? I think it's really fun. I think it's up there with some of the best teen movies that we've covered, especially. I think Alicia Silverstone is a pinnacle role. This is one of the most iconic characters in cinema history, in my opinion. I think she fucking knocks it out of the park. Right after this, she got a three-picture deal and produced all those movies that she made. She just became a businesswoman and well-paid actress. So good for her. And Amy Heckeling's movies I really enjoy. Like I said, I really love the LA aspect of this movie. All the characters are really fun. They all are great, get an iconic Paul Rudd performance. But there's three quarters of this movie that I really fucking love. It's kind of when she realizes, when her and Ty have their falling out, where I'm like, when she does her soul reckoning and soul makeover and everything, where it just kind of, you know, it's like, drags it along a little bit. And it does redeem itself with the tenderness needle drop at the end. I love that song. I think it makes me feel really, really good about just having watched this movie, is all I can really say. I gave Fast Times a 7.8. I'm going to give this a 7.5. 7.5 for Sean A.J. What about you? It's still not, as far as the teen comedies go, not necessarily up there for me. I really do like some of the performances. Maybe it's, maybe it's I like the casting more, like, than I really like the performances. Maybe I just get caught up in the actual casting. I think it's fun. I think it's a perfectly fine, like, slice of life, you know, if you will, with a little bit of like a romantic journey. And it just feels like a vehicle for more like Valley Girl joking around, rather than it, rather than there being like a lot of substance to it. And again, maybe it kind of goes back to what she said. It's like, just like a Polyshore movie, like why am I trying to search for so much meaning in this? But I think it's kind of because of Alicia Silverstone's performance, because it is a complex character and it is, it is fun to try to deep dive and understand why she's doing what she's doing. Even, even Paul Rudd kind of gets like even a little bit lost for me in the mix of this movie, here and there. And it's not something I'm going to revisit a ton. So I'm going to go ahead and I'm going to say that this is a, it's a straight up five for me. Ouch, a little low from the age. I did enjoy this first time around on this. Like I, it was better than I thought it was going to be. Alicia just kills it. The soundtrack is very underrated in this movie. A lot of covers, like acoustic, modeling covers. There's a jewel cover in there before she was ever famous. It's kind of crows, right? Ghost in you cover. Really good, man. Everybody's pretty fun, but I agree with you, Sean. Like it doesn't completely land it. It just sort of like, this is fun. Really don't quite know what the plot is. A little bit of boringness. And then it's just like, you know, done. Everybody's all of a sudden acting like they're in their twenties. It's like you're, you're not at the wedding table. They're all, it feels like they're all 25 years old. It really does. Yeah. It feels like 10 years have passed. It's like a reunion. Yeah. That's exactly how it felt. And I didn't like that everything was just different. Yeah. It's like, no, you're still sophomores in high school. Yeah. You're, you're not going to be behaving yourself at a wedding. Yeah. And you're like, oh wow. You know, what a great, it's really good finally be here with you guys again, 10 years later. Oh man. So you know what? It's not as good as fast times for me. It's, it's not my ideal high school movie. I can think of a lot better, but for me, I'm going to give it a little bit less than fast. I'm going to go 7.3 is what I'm going to go. I kind of want to go down to a 7.3 as well. Would you like to? I would. Sean's a 7.3. I'm a 7.3. We got to see what Josh Miller says. Josh Miller says, first off the R word, huh? Yeah. That jumped out immediately. And look, I'm not going to pretend most of us still say it in our own circles. Maybe we shouldn't. Maybe we evolved, but to me it always meant idiot or stupid, not directed at any marginalized group. It just hits different than some of the other words we've rightfully buried. Meanwhile, we're out here inventing phrases like hymenally challenged for virginity, but that's one, that's one the word sneaks through. What a time to be alive. Also, the mighty, mighty boss tones showing up that sent me straight back. You guys are all musicians. Where did the boss tones and Scott in general land for you? You just heard it because for me, that whole era is baked into this movie's DNA. This thing is absolutely cemented in 90s pop culture. Like you can't talk about the decade without it. Same bucket as ran and stimpy, aion flux, siphon and Oli and just the general chaos that was MTV back then. I miss that era. Liquid television was just a fever dream. Did any of you guys actually watch liquid television when it came out? I feel like Mike might be the only one old enough. Meanwhile, I'm over here in high school pretending I had anything figured out. I do not remember liquid television. I don't remember. I definitely remember watching ran and stimpy. Oh, tub, Beavis and Butthead. By the way, there's no way that a 15 year old fashionable preppy popular girls watching Beavis and Butthead and Stimpy. Yeah, I don't think so. There is a Mentos commercial in this, so they did it for us. They did it for us. That'll just be it. This thing is this thing is fun. Straight up a lot of it has aged, including Paul Rudd, who for once actually looks younger than he does now. I don't, I don't agree with you, Josh, but somehow still not young. It's very nineties with all the nineties flaws baked in, but it knows exactly what it is and doesn't try to be anything more. Is this blast from the past level for me? No. And if you've been listening, you know, I love that movie, but both have top tier Alicia Silverstone performances. Matter of fact, I think this is only like my third Alicia Silverstone movie I've reviewed. I'm pretty sure I covered Batman and Robin and to Sean's eternal disappointment. I liked that train wreck more than lost boys. You know, good old Joel Schumacher. Sorry, dude. I'll make it up to you. Return of the living dead for spooky season 26. Let's go baby. We're locking it in. Make it happen. Make it happen. Making it happen. Josh Miller. Speaking of which, there's a remake of return of the living dead hitting theaters in November. Just learned that today, which got me thinking. I should just fly up to Iowa, grab a loose meat sandwich, go see a movie with the boys. You're always welcome to do that. Come on up, dude. I'm sure Leslie will be totally fine with postponing our honeymoon for that. Totally reasonable. Anyway, modern day score definitely dips a bit, but it's still very serviceable movie 7.46. As a group, we are 6.77. And that's going to take this of all the movies we have done tied with 101 Dalmatians. Got to. It's not as good as Blade Cool Runnings heavyweights. But it is better than weird science, just friends, and grumpy old men. I think that really fits, actually. So it's a convoluted mess there around. That feels nice. Quite the eclectic bunch. Yeah. I guess thanks to our wives for being in here. No, that didn't happen. I don't know what you're talking about. Yeah, I don't know what you're talking about. At least thanks to, if they did get a makeup artist, thanks to Alexis Hoteau for doing their makeup. I'm assuming they got a makeup artist. That's very talented. In our dreams. I have to imagine so. Which is also why it took us two hours to get two minutes filmed. Yeah. Okay, gotcha. Well, we hope you enjoyed the episode. Thanks for being here. 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