1454 - Pepper Turned her New Husband On to Threesomes & Couple Swapping

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He was one of those guys like still cheating even though she's allowing him to fuck other people. And she caught him. That whole story, like I said, is funny because the way she caught him and what she did is out of control. And then we get to the point where she meets her new guy. She's married to a guy. He was very vanilla, pretty shy, not into doing anything that she's ever done. And once she got in with him, they started talking and she talks about how they sort of opened things up. You know, I had to question her a lot to get some of the details. Like sometimes she didn't like tell me stuff right away, which is kind of funny because she was trying to get it all out, you know. But you get all of the information and it's super interesting because there are a couple that, you know, open things up. Like I said, he was very vanilla. She was much more open-minded. They've been with a couple and they've done full swap. He's been with guys. They've also had threesomes with a cross dresser a few times with a guy who cross dressed once with them and they had a threesome. She had a DP. I mean, she gives all the stories, all the details. Her guy isn't a guy and guy action. That's the thing that she kind of like leaves out. It's like interesting. And then we get that whole story towards the end, which is super interesting because she's very open. Her guy is, was able to be very open with her because in his past he wasn't allowed to. He also has a fetish. So she talks about, you're going to get all the details. I want pepper. Hey, pepper. Welcome to the Strictly Anonymous podcast. How are you today? Good. And yourself? I'm good. Listen, you're hiding in a car talking to me. I'm hiding in my walk-in closet talking to you. You're here to tell me that. I'm assuming you're like, you're married and you and your husband are in the lifestyle. We're going to talk about your guy's journey, but is it, did it start out with it being your journey into the lifestyle first? It was my journey. Yeah. Okay. So now was that before him and he, you weren't married to him yet or was that, that's what I would assume. Way before him yet. Oh, okay. So how long have you been married to your husband now? Just since last November, but we've been together for seven years. Okay. So before, all right. So now, were you married previously or were you in the lifestyle solo? I was in the lifestyle with someone, but we weren't married. Oh, okay. Cool. So, all right. So let's get, let's start there. That, that's someone, did you and him get together? And like, or did you and him start in the lifestyle together? Is that how you got involved? No, we met online and it was supposed to be like a friends with benefits thing. And then it kind of got into more than that. And then after the more than that, it kind of got into the lifestyle. Okay. So let's, let's start from there because that's an interesting point. Like how does it come up in your guy's relationship that you guys were going to open it up? And had you done anything like that previous to this guy, I'm assuming. Yeah. Oh, you had? Oh, okay. So let's go there. I mean, starting with my life, right? I had a boyfriend in high school and him and I were together for a while. And somehow or another, it just kind of happened that him and I ended up in a threesome situation, me, him and another girl. The girl really liked me and she was a lesbian. So it kind of ended up like, I don't know, the right way, I guess you could say easiest for women. He didn't sleep with her, just me. And it went really well. And then somehow. Do you have a relationship with her? Like, were you, did you see her for a long time or was that a one and done? We were friends and she liked me, but I didn't like her and I was with him. So we knew each other. We still know each other. Okay. So you just had sex the one time? Yeah. Okay, cool. Go on. And then the same guy ended up dating another girl after we had broke up a long time. And then somehow or another, her and I became friends after we were both broken up with him. And then, I don't know, for some reason, we thought it would be really funny to go have a threesome with him and we did. And I mean, it was fun. Oh my God, that guy like hit the jackpot with all his girls. And then for some reason, when I was in my 20s-ish, I was working at a gas station with this girl. We got really close. We were friends. And then somehow or another, I ended up dating her and her boyfriend, like a threopel type of situation. And it kind of got weird. They both wanted to sleep with me without the other person and I wasn't okay with that. So that kind of ended. Oh my God. So I've had lots of experiences. Yeah, you were made for this lifestyle, right? You were like kind of in it without any problems. You were like kind of in it without even knowing when you're so young that you don't have those terms, right? Yeah, right. It was just something you do. Yeah, and it just kind of happened. I love the words threopel. I was thinking the first situation for you was a threopel, but you wound up in a threopel anyway. Yeah. And so, I mean, did you ever question your sexuality like with women because you have had relationships? I mean, do you consider yourself bisexual or are you just more like heteroflexible, fluid? I mean, how would you describe yourself? I don't really describe it. I kind of just assume like I'm hetero, I guess, by a curious. I have to have a man involved. I'm not like into women like that. Women are hot. Like, oh my God, women are hot, right? I think we all can agree with that. I like to play with women, but I need a man. Right. Okay. So you could never just strictly date a woman, but you that threopel, you were like romantically involved with the both of them? Yep. Okay, cool. All right. So then you meet this guy, I'm assuming is like the next time you do kind of crazy things. Yeah. So that was we met online. We were supposed to be friends with benefits. It got to that point where it was, I'm kind of getting feelings, either this is going to end or we're going to like be together. Then, yeah, that happened. And then it was kind of like, I don't know, just pillow talk type of situation. Oh, well, how would you feel about this? Or how would you feel about that? I am a very open and honest person. I tell everybody everything. Probably got to like change my voice a little bit because if people knew me, they wouldn't know my story because everybody knows everything, right? My kids know everything, very open with everything. So it was always just, we just talked about this. How would you feel about that? Maybe we'll try it. You never really know how you're going to feel until it actually happens. So kind of like, yeah, let's do it and see how it goes. Well, and what is do it? Is that go to a slinger club or it's like all of the above you talked about everything like bringing people in? Okay, so what was your first step? And you were both open to like, let's just try and see how we feel. So the first step was, I'm trying to think I'm not 100% sure. So many things have happened. I think the first part of it was there was a certain scenario that I couldn't give to him. So he was allowed to do that outside of the relationship. It's kind of hard to explain, but he had this like fetish, I guess you could say that I couldn't give to him. So it was like the cuckold situation. Obviously, I wasn't his wife and he didn't want it that way. Anyway, so he was allowed to go and do that. And then we kind of got into adult friendfinder, and then we were on SLS. And so we ended up at like, I think a strip club for like a meet and greet type of thing where they like, like a bunch of people come in. And then we ended up at a closed hotel party for like new years, like they close the hotel, they cover the windows, everybody's walking around partially nude, nude, fun clothes, like totally really fun atmosphere, by the way. And then, you know, during those whole, like few years, it was kind of like, Oh, well, what do you think about this? Or how do you feel about that? Or that kind of thing? Mm hmm. I mean, were you hooking up with people at all these places? No. Okay. He was, but I wasn't. Why was he and why were why? Like, why is that the case? So I kind of believe now looking back at it that he wasn't really interested in me with anyone else. But it seemed like he like he said he was. But anytime we got into that situation where that was going to happen, something was off or something was uncomfortable. And we had always agreed as a couple, like if something doesn't feel right, or if anybody says no, it's a no, we're not worried about really what other people think about us at that point. It's about us, right? So if something's uncomfortable, something's wrong, we're out. And so it always kind of seemed like anytime that was actually going to happen, he was out. Wow. After a while, were you like, this isn't fucking fair? Yeah. I mean, you know, because he's, you're allowing him to do whatever, right? He's hooking up with women. Pretty much. Yeah. So he's getting his fill and you're literally not doing anything. Right. Interesting. Okay. So then, I mean, is that what blew shit up? I don't know. I mean, It blew shit up because yes, I kind of did get like that at a point. It was like, well, what the hell? Like, I'm like, we're going to all these things. We're doing all these things, you know, the No, you're not doing anything. He's doing everything. Yes. So it's like, what the hell? And then on top of that, then I found out that he was cheating. Like, how do you cheat in a situation when you're allowed? No, I can't. That always blows my mind. Those are the words. I like, I don't even, I can't even fucking comprehend. I just can't. Yeah, you're just, and that person is like just a sneaky, you know, there's something deeper going on there because you're literally allowing him, you're watching him fuck other people. You're not jealous at all. You're giving him all the freedom and he still does it. It blows my mind. It does absolutely. Like it is beyond ridiculous. And it's so hurtful at that point because I can imagine it's like, are you serious? Yeah, right. Like for real. This is how this is happening. No fucking way. How did you find out? Oh, I think I found some pictures. So like when you're on Craigslist, when you're on AFF, when you're on those places, a lot of people, they want you to send them a super Descript picture with like, throw up three fingers, hold the date, hold the sign. I had found one of those pictures and I'm like, what the, what the hell? And so then I had started looking, oh my God, you're going to think this hilarious. So I ended up posting myself using a different picture on Craigslist to try and catch him. Oh, I did catch him and literally walked in. No, I set up a hotel. He walked out the door, this me knowing the whole time this was me setting him up. Okay, listen, spring is here. Thank God. I totally prefer the warmer weather. But with the warmer weather comes me needing to get together my whole spring wardrobe. And that means you need to get your whole spring wardrobe together too. And that's where Quince comes in. Quince has like every staple you are going to need for spring. 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No, not texting just on email because obviously he would know my phone. Yeah. So it was all email at first. I was at school. He was at work. He was supposed to have a class that night that I knew he was skipping to go and cheat. So I set it up and talked to him the whole day on that day that I knew he was supposed to have the class. I came home. I have my own children. So did whatever I needed to do with the kids, chatted with him. He took a shower, got ready to go as the whole time. I'm talking to him as me in person at home and a message here and there from the email. Wait, what was your name? What was your fake name? Do you remember? Oh, I have no idea. Wait, so, but it's so funny because like, and I always say this, like, I feel like you always have to be five steps ahead of people at all times, right? Even if you have all the information, you can't blow, you can't blow your cover right off the bat. Say, I know you're cheating. You need to get all the proof. So you got to like, Oh, for sure. Yeah. It's like super smart. That's what, you have the way you got to do it. Yeah. So the, because then you catch people's life faces, you know what they look, you know what I mean? Like he gets such good information because you're sitting there talking to him as yourself, knowing that he, every word he's saying to about this quote unquote class and his shower and everything he's doing is like to go and meet your fake person. So you're seeing him all his, all his fucking tactics for sure in front of your face. For sure. Yeah. Well, and you have to because until you get to a certain point in that relationship, you won't leave. You have to know all the facts. Yeah. I had a whole, yeah. I got to tell you, I had a whole crazy, um, a Patreon questionnaire I did. Like would you, if you really think someone is a hundred percent cheating, but you don't have proof, do you think it's okay to go and look through their phone? And I can't tell you the kind of drama that came for that. For sure. And I was like, yes, I believe it can. And somebody was like, that's an opera, you know, and I'm like, I'm not talking about if you have trust issues and you just think your great partner's cheating on you. I'm talking about like the point where you were at where like you kind of knew, it was so obvious. Like I know. Yeah, you know. Yeah, I know. Yeah, but everyone. You're literally talking, yeah, you're literally talking to me right now as someone else. I know. But the only reason why you knew, no, no, but the only reason why you knew is that you did go looking and you needed that proof or else you would have never been able to walk away unless you knew for sure. You have to know for sure. And no one, that person's never going to tell you for sure unless you fucking bust them. Yeah, you need that closure even though the closure never gets you what you want. Well, the closure feels terrible, right? Because you know, whatever. But you know, it's probably worse for him too because he gets busted. So wait, so just go to the point where he goes to the hotel room. Okay, so I'm literally sitting on the stairs and he's telling me that he's going to class. And I'm confirming with him, like I'm like browsing my phone. You know how you do. I'm browsing. I'm literally answering him as I'm talking to him. I can see him looking at the message. And I'm like, oh, okay, I'm going to go lay down. I'm not feeling good or whatever. Okay, babe, like I'm going to class. I'll text you on my way home. But I'm watching him, right? So I'm like, okay, he leaves right then it's on, right? It's on. So I go, oh my God, you're going to love this. I literally go and I drop my kids off with my friend. We trade cars so he doesn't know my car, right? Because obviously he knows my car. We trade cars. I set up the hotel room. I'm like, oh yeah, I got it set up. I'll be there in whatever, how many minutes I'll leave the key for you at the desk. I'm like, oh yeah, bring this, that and whatever, right? Bring a condom, bring a, which you call it, a vibe and bring it this. I'm saying what's in your pockets type of thing, right? So I then literally parked at the hotel across the street and walk over. I check in under my own name, but obviously he's not going to ask that. I left the key at the thing. I'm sitting in the hotel and I'm literally just shaking. Every part of my body is shaking, right? My legs are shaking and my heart is racing. And then he hadn't shown up. It took him forever. I'm like, what the hell is he doing? Like I know he's on his way because he left my house to go. And then, okay, so I'm waiting and waiting and waiting. He finds like, oh, I'm here and I'm like, oh my freaking God, like what is going to happen, right? So I'm sitting there and he's like, okay, I got it. Okay, I put my phone down and I'm literally waiting. He walks in the door and the literal caller leaves his face. And you know what he says? I knew it was you. You freaking didn't you want to come if you knew it was me? Yeah, and the color on this, that's why you need to be there. You couldn't do it via text and say, hey, I know you cheated. You need to see their fucking face because the color going out of his face right there was your proof. Not the words that came out of his mouth. And then it's like, what's in your pockets? You don't need to know what's in my pocket. You mean nothing's in my pocket. I'm like, you're such a liar. That's probably why his lady was going to buying condoms and shit. Was he fucking horrified? I mean, did he never, was he one of those maddening people though that just never would comp to it and still continue to pretend like you always know you're the worst. Yes, complete narcissist. This was totally my fault somehow. He still talked his way out of it. I literally don't know how, but I swear to God, that man taught me everything I know in my life now. What do you mean? Like what to watch out for and what not to ever take? Yes, because he knew all the tricks, all the tricks. That's the kind of person, just so you know, that is the kind of person that will cheat even if you let them be with other people. You know what I mean? That's the kind of person that does it. Not the kind of person that comes clean when you catch them. The kind of person that's still gonna fucking deny it. He's insane. You know what I mean? Complicated. Yeah. Like what is it called pathological liar? Like that's just like beyond trying to figure that person's head space out. Yeah, you don't figure that person out. That's a, this doesn't have anything to do with me situation. I'm not going to feel bad about myself or anything that happened because this is something that he does that he either can or can't control, but it is completely on him. Like this has nothing to do with me. It has nothing to do with our relationship or what I have allowed him to do or not allowed him to do. This is what he is going to do straight out regardless. Yeah, he's a pathological liar. But he talked, when you say he talked his way out of it, did you stay with him after that? Yeah. Oh my God. I'm sure you looked back at that like what the fuck. Yes. At that point when you're in a relationship at some point, you just have to go through those things to get out of it. Like everybody always says with the like people that are in emotional abuse relationships or physical abuse relationships, there's nothing you can say to that person at that time. They are going to be ready when they're ready. And for whatever reason, we have to beat ourselves up to a certain extent before we realize that we're better than this. Yeah. I mean, when people make comments about people just like just leave and that person just leave or that person just going to leave the person. I'm like, people don't leave people that easily. No. You know, people stay with the most horrible people that people just don't leave. I don't know. Like people just have a warp sense of how things go down in real life. And a lot of times, unfortunately, you know, your situation is the case. I feel like women in general are like, we just have like a some sort of ridiculous thing in us. And I think it's like nature to make us stay no matter what. You know what I mean? Like we have to like even 1% will keep us stuck to somebody. You know what I mean? Like when we don't walk away easily, it's a sad thing. It just ingrained in us to fucking stay. And listen, I don't think men leave either. They don't leave unless they got another bitch on the side. Okay. Ever, never will they walk away from a wife. Okay. But women have to lose all hope. But once they do, it's done. You'll never see them again. Because you, as you have said in previous episodes and stuff like that, you stay with what you think you deserve. Yeah. And you have to get to a point where you are 400% sure I deserve better than this. Like all women have that self-esteem type of thing that they're like, oh, well, you know, I'm this or I'm, you know, depressed or whatever that they're like, oh, well, I mean, but he puts up with this or he's really good to me with everything else. That was my thing. He was always really good to me. He was always really good to my kids. He always had a job, blah, blah, blah, car. Like he was a good person other than that. So I was just kind of like, this is, this is how it is. Like he puts up with my whatever and I put up with his cheating. And for some reason at some point I was like, this is ridiculous. I'm not doing this anymore. But nobody can tell me that. No, no, no, I know it's unfortunate and that's the way that it is. And you know, you can't, you got to allow your friends if you're dealing with someone that's going through that to just get to that place themselves because you can never force them to. Okay, so let's move on. I mean, and that's like a whole list and I could talk about that kind of psychology shift like days because we do all have stories, you know, and you have to break them yourself, you know. So you eventually they'll leave and we want to get to your happy. I'm assuming you're in a happy relationship with a husband now and you guys are swinging and he's not cheating on you. No, so I leave him and I'm at this job. So I met my husband at my job. I'm at my job. Him and I were both in relationships when we met. Wait, were you ever married before or is this going to be your first marriage? No, I was never married. Okay. This is my first marriage. Yep. My husband was married before me, but I was never married. Okay. So we were both working at a job and we were talking about life and everything and I would always talk about my ex and I at that point, I don't even want a relationship ever again in my life. I just, I just don't want to deal with it. I'm better off alone. I know what I'm worth type of situation. Yeah. And he was in a marriage where they were like friends, like they worked opposite shifts. She would come home and go to bed and like, you know, you deserve better than that, whatever, kind of the same situation. You are in this situation where this is how you feel everybody is and it's not like that. You know what I mean? So I ended up leaving that job and he wanted to leave his wife and I was like, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not any part of that. I don't want any part of that. I don't want to, you know, I don't want to do anything. But we had, like I said, talked for a long time. So I leave the job. He decides he's getting a divorce then. I'm trying to think. No, how? It's okay. Like how I mean, eventually he winds up leaving and you leave your partner too and you wind up together. Yep. Okay. So we end up together. We have kids, obviously with separate partners. So for the last, I don't know how many years we didn't live together. We would hang out with our kids on our kids weekends and still prioritize like our separate families and stuff like that. But we were together for a long time. So well, mainly because a lot of the reason is because we can't go to a house with all of our children at one time. Oh my God. Imagine. Yeah. So I had always told him throughout the time that we knew each other at our job, all these things that I used to do. Everybody knows what I do. I'm completely open and honest with everybody about who I am as a person and how I feel about sexuality and stuff like that. Like I believe that we are in a committed relationship. We can decide what that committed relationship is. I don't care what anybody else's situation is. That's just who I am as a person. Like I said, I've come across all these situations on my own organically in the wild and then went looking for it online as people do. So with my husband, it was always like he was totally against it. Completely vanilla. You know, he was married for 20 years before I met him. We're in our 40s. So it was, I'm not doing any of that. And he's like, are you sure you want to be with me because I don't want anything to do with that? I'm like, I don't have to do that. Like it's cool, but it's not something I have to do. So we ended up together. What is that? What is that to you guys? Meaning three sums going to like bring other people in, men, women, whatever. Yeah. Okay, come on. So I was okay with living a hundred percent traditional married life, essentially. And you know, we've talked, like I said, we've talked about the three sums that I've had in the past. We've talked about the hotel parties, which I'm telling you, if you ever get a chance to go to one, go to one because it's super fun. Even if you don't do anything with anyone else, there's lookers, there's players, there's all kinds of different people. That's good to know. So it's like a good start starting place for a couple, right? Because you can just go and just watch and look. Yes, it's a whole weekend. You're talking about it. You get excited about it. You buy some new lingerie. You buy some new clothes. You get shaved. You get pretty. You do your hair. You know, you and your, you know, your husband's all trimming off and everything like that. And you go and you have your own room. You can leave it open. You can close it. You bring your toys. You can do things in front of people. You don't have to do anything. You walk around in this environment that is completely a sexy environment that everyone is playful and complimenting and all of that. And it's super fun, even if you don't go. And I've told them that like a million times, like, dude, I'd do it again in a heartbeat. It's so fun. You don't, because I never slept with anybody in those situations and neither did my person in that scenario. We just did stuff with each other. And it was just like a super fun experience. So after like, before we had gotten married, we had always talked about this. Like I was like, if think about it like this, if I was ever in a situation where I got really sick and I couldn't sexually satisfy you anymore, but we all know we're in a loving, honest marriage. We don't want to be apart because we love each other, right? If I couldn't give you what you needed, I would be okay if you went and got it from someone else. But that's all, not an emotional connection and all that. And so he kind of came around after a while and was like, okay, I can kind of get it. Ever find yourself like not in the mood like you used to be? 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And he asked, could he go and meet someone to like get head? I think it was the first one. I think was just to get head. And I was like, I don't care. Go ahead. And he's like, no, for real. Are you serious? I'm like, for real. I'm just hoping you don't wind up in the same. It just sounds like you're going down the same path. But I know that obviously you're not that like he's asking for something for him, but nothing for you. Yes. The original one. Yes. So it was because he didn't really think that it was going to be okay. Oh, and we had went to Vegas and I was like, oh, we should get a hooker. Yeah. And he was like, he was like, oh, yeah, yeah, let's do that. And the end of the day, he was like a typical man where he's like, I don't really believe you're okay with that. You're just saying that you're going to be mad later. Right. Well, I'm not that person. I'm not going to get mad later. If I say it's cool, then it's cool. So he kind of realized that and I was like sick for like a couple months. So he had went and like I said, got, I believe had and I was cool and he came home and he showered. He's like, are you sure you're cool? And I'm like, I'm totally cool. I don't feel good. Go do your thing. I'm fine for real. Seriously go. And he like asked me probably like three more times and I'm like, no, really go. And he went and he's like, are you sure you're good? And he came back and he's like, super shy about it. My husband can be kind of shy. So he was super shy about it. I was like, how did it go? And he was like, good. And I was like, that's it. Good. Okay, fine. It was good. And I let it go. We went to sleep and nothing again for a while. And then I think, I don't know, maybe some months later or whatever he was like, hmm, we would talk about scenarios and not necessarily do them right away. So then fast forward, we get married. We get married. And then he's like, well, what if we, you know, sign up for SLS or whatever. And I was like, fucking yeah, do it. And he kind of was hesitant at first, but he did. We signed up and I was like, look, I don't really want to go through the whole talking to everybody all the time. I was like, you know, why don't you go on and you do that? Like I set up the whole profile, but he's the one talking most of the time. I'll get on there and talk sometimes. And I'm like, just let me know, like what's interesting or whatever. And if I tell you, yeah, then it's cool to set it up. If I'm like, no, then it's no, that's always been the rule. If somebody says no, it's no, right? So the first scenario we end up in is we meet a couple, they're traveling. He does the whole talking thing. Then we set up a group text. So we're all texting for a couple of weeks. They have a planned date to come here. We plan to meet at a restaurant and then they have a hotel after the fact. So we meet at the hotel. If all the conversation and everything goes well, we'll go upstairs, have our fun, and then be on our merry way. And everything's on the table here. Yep. Okay. It was a thing where it was like, oh, actually, he had already seen me have sex with someone else. And I didn't know if I was going to be okay with him having sex with a woman. When did he see you with someone else? I forgot about that. Yeah. So we had a threesome with a guy. Oh, okay. Where'd you meet that guy? Grinder, actually, I believe. Okay. So he set up a thing on there because I, a long time ago, wanted to try DP. My boyfriend at the time wasn't okay with it. So he was like, whatever, go ahead. I don't want to be involved. So I tried to set it up by myself and I posted ads on Craigslist and stuff like that. I met a couple of guys and I tried to do it with them a couple of times and it didn't work out at all. Something always went wrong. Somebody like came real quick or whatever and it just didn't work out, you know what I'm saying? So I was like, no, I'm not, I don't really want to do that anymore or whatever. And then, and then he had found that scenario and he's like, do you want to do that? I'm like, okay, fine. Sure. So we ended up meeting a guy that was a cross dresser that we met at a hotel and we had a threesome. It was fun and he enjoyed it and did you get your DP? I did. Okay. How was it? It was awesome. I mean, you were a little slow to say. I don't know where you're going with it. It's not something I want to do all the time, but I enjoyed it thoroughly. Yep. Okay. Cool. So that was like something that you did before you went online to do this, this thing that you're doing at the hotel, correct? Yes. Okay. So now you're at the hotel. So we meet them and everything is really cool. We get to talk in and my husband is kind of shy. She's kind of shy, but everyone's happy. Everyone's, you know, talking and nothing was awkward or anything else. And we're like, yeah, you got, yeah, we're done eating at this point. We had chatted for a while and we're like, do you want to go up or whatever? And everyone was cool. Everyone went up and you get that awkward moment in the, in the beginning when you get to the room and you're like, hmm, what are we doing? And then me, I'm open and cool. And I'm just like, fucking just start taking your clothes off and just go for it. You know what I mean? There's no hesitation in that. You just got to go for it. So me and her start kissing and stuff like that. Then the boys are taking their clothes off and stuff and, and everybody joins in and everybody has a good time. And then it's okay. Well, that's awesome. You know, if you guys are ever in town again, hit us up. Have a good night. Bye. But how did you feel seeing him with her? Oh, it was hot. It was so hot. Like at one point he was, he was there. I had my head on her to like tell me and I'm watching it in an angle that I can't like physically see when it's me and him. And she's just like moaning all crazy and loving it. And yeah, it was good. I mean, the guy wasn't so great because he really couldn't keep an erection and it was, and then it was, he was done in three seconds. So it wasn't that great for me. But me and my husband always talk about it after the fact. And I was like, he was like, Oh, I'm sorry. It wasn't that good for you. It was like, it was fine for me. Like I'm all about the experience. I don't always have to get there because it takes, I don't know. You're going to be like, Oh my God, you don't know way. It's really hard for me to get there. I always bring my choice. I always try and hardly ever works, but then we go home and I still get mine. So I know what you're going to say. Oh my God, no. I don't understand it, but that's okay. I heard it yesterday from someone else I taped it. Yeah. And he said his wife never does, but with him. So you're still getting on. Like that's like your foreplay, right? Like that's how you see it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Cause we'll go home and I'll get there. So it's just hard for me to get there. He's like, Oh, I'm sorry. It wasn't that good for you or whatever. I'm like, it was great for me. First of all, because the one thing that I needed to know was that I was going to feel comfortable watching you with another woman. And I got that. Like it was hot. Everything went down really well. I may not have gotten there, but that wasn't really, I mean, it's always obviously the intention, right? But things were gained along the way that I didn't know that will help us in the future. So it was still a good experience. It was still fun. It was still hot. And yeah, like that's how you feel about seeing you with someone else. Um, yeah. He enjoyed it much more than he thought. Like kind of like the same thing. He's like, Oh my God, it was really hot when you were like, he was laying on the bed. I was like over him, sucking him. The guy was behind me and he's like, Oh my God, I've never seen your face like that. I can see your tits like bouncing as you're like, sucking my dick and I can see, you know, behind it. And it was hot. Like he, yeah, you enjoyed it. And you, and you liked him seeing that now that whole thing with him playing with the person that he got a blowjob. Was that a woman that he met just to get a blowjob? I don't know. And I didn't ask. Uh, yeah, I bet you it was a guy. That's probably could be. Why wouldn't you ask? Don't, because he was uncomfortable about it and he gets shy about it. And I leave it up to him to tell me what he wants to tell me. And we have trust in our relationship and he's never done anything to make me on untrustworthy of him. So he tells me what he's comfortable with. And every time it's happened, he tells me a little bit more, but he's been a very vanilla guy his whole life. So he gets super shy about it. So I don't like press and I don't try and make him feel uncomfortable about it where he doesn't want to share with me. But I have this question for you. Like, you know, sometimes I get like someone's shy or something, but sometimes like, you know, have you ever told him, Hey, listen, if you're meeting a guy, like you need to know like I'm totally okay with it. Did you ever give him that? Because sometimes maybe the person, oh yeah. Okay, you have. Okay. So we've talked to, so like the pillow talk situation, we've talked about all kinds of scenarios before they ever happened. We sit in bed and you know, at nighttime or whenever or, Hey, have you ever thought about doing this? And so my husband has a fetish that he doesn't really admit to anyone. He has a foot fetish and I could care less. Like for me, sometimes it's a blessing because I don't feel good or I don't feel like it. And I'm like, Hey, do you just want to do that? Because as women. Yeah. That's easy. As women, that's what we do. We aren't always in the mood. We have kids. We're running around. I'm tired. I don't feel good. Worked all day. Whatever it is, it's a easy thing for me to be able to give him something that he wants, but not really have to purchase it. And it's not because I don't like it. I love it. Our sex life is great. It's just, you get tired and you do. So for me, it's easy, but that was something that he was always shy about. His first wife was like, Oh my God, you not happening. So he just did it secretly in his own head. You know what I mean? And I'm completely cool with everything. Guys always have that. Oh, I'm a masculine guy. I'm not gay. I'm never switching swords or whatever. And I'm like, you can if you want to. I really don't care. You know what I mean? Like you want to suck a guy's dick. Go ahead. It's not going to make me feel any kind of way. Like I kind of believe that we all have our sexual proclivities and it doesn't really mean anything. It's just sex. Like we all think about things. We just, some of us won't do them. Well, I'm going to do them. Yeah. And maybe your guy is doing them too. I think it's like super interesting. And listen, you do, I have a whole fetish Friday episode. So I talk to guys that have fetishes all the time. And sometimes I really don't understand why women don't see it the way you see it. Sometimes they take it because it is, you are smart. Like you can sometimes just give them your fucking feet instead of a blow job and he's going to be more turned on. It's so, you know what I mean? But the thing about that is, is people can't control their fetish. And at the end of the day, it's just a sexual attraction. And making them feel worse about it is not helping anyone's relationship. And I've always told my husband, like, I don't understand how you could live your life in a marriage for 20 years, hiding half of who you are. Because essentially that's who you are. You're sexually attracted to this and she made you feel guilty about it. Why should you feel guilty about thinking something is sexy? Like I think men's arms are sexy and the veins they get in their arms. Why? I don't know. I think it's sexy. You know what I mean? He can't do anything about that. I can't do anything about that either. It's just something that in your head clicks and says, wow, that's fucking hot. And listen, a fetish is very common. It's not like it's unheard of. I mean, isn't Quentin Tarantino is known for his foot fetish? Yeah. Yeah. But guys get in their heads because some woman at some point said, ew, that's gross. And I'm just like, why is that gross, dude? You don't understand how many things I have seen on the internet. Guys that go and do crazy things just to get off because essentially men are, they just want to get off and they don't care how. They're not like women in that situation. And I totally get it. Like I'm not going to do it, but I get it. I don't care. I don't think it's weird. I don't think it's odd. It just is. And I'm not okay. I'm totally okay with it. Yeah. So let me ask you a couple of questions about your guys like blow job experiences. He's done it more than once, you said. Correct? How many times around? Hmm. I think there's, oh, I'm not sure. I might, maybe I think this is the third time with one person and maybe there was another. So he just went last night. Actually, we got all these kids in the house. We were supposed to have our Saturday. So we always have our Saturday morning. It's a thing. I don't know why, but I like to get it in the morning when I'm like, I don't know, in the morning. So we have our Saturday morning. Well, we weren't going to have our Saturday morning today because we have a house full of kids. My kid had a sleepover. It's spring break. So I got all like at both my daughters here. So he went out last night and met a guy that he meets on occasion. A guy. You just said a guy. Yep. He meets this guy. Him. So it is a guy. So you know it's a guy. This one is a guy. I know this one is guy. Okay. So when I asked you before, you're like, I don't know. No, because the first one, I don't know. Okay. So we could eventually cop to it being a guy. Yeah. Okay. Well, no, I don't know what the first one was. This one is a guy and there's one other guy. There's two guys. Okay. So but he did eventually, but it's not like he kept it a secret that he's looking at what guys to you. No. Okay. No, he never has. Like I said, he's shy about it. So as they go on, he'll tell me more about what's happening. I just didn't question him in the beginning. Does that make sense? Yeah, it totally makes sense. It doesn't. What doesn't make sense is that you didn't say that before when I questioned you about it. Sorry. Got you. You could like. Because I didn't know in the beginning. No, I know, but you could have been like, yeah, no, he didn't tell me that, but he has been with guys since because then I went into this whole thing about you sort of letting him know that you're okay with it. But obviously you're okay with it because he's already told you and you know, and it's fine. Sorry. No, it's okay. I think it's important for people to hear these kinds of stories. So when did he first, the first time he, you know, it's important. I want to know the sort of story about how he wound up this shy guy who didn't want to cop to the fact that he's doing this, which a lot of guys do do. And he's finally with the woman that he feels comfortable enough to let her in on it, right? You know, because the sad thing is, and I was just taped a podcast on someone else's show and I talked about the sad thing about guy and guy action is there's still such a stigma that unfortunately a lot of that kind of stuff, the blow jobs in the car with the guys, you know, is happening on the DL behind people's backs. You know what I mean? And it's, it's not happening that way in your life, which I think is super interesting the first time he didn't say anything, but like, how did it eventually come out with him with you? I'm not exactly sure. Um, I think it was just, uh, oh, I have this situation available. Is it okay? And I didn't even think about it. I didn't. He said with a guy. He said with a guy. Maybe. Probably. Yeah. I think so. I mean, you know that he's looking up with guys. I mean, have you ever had the conversation about like his attraction to guys, like how far he goes with them or something? Or you just, just know it's a guy. Yes. So tell me that. Yeah. Those conversations. So he is not bi. He doesn't really like guys, but for some reason, yeah, he has. Yeah. Let him listen to my podcast. I'm up. Oh, he listens. He listens. Yeah. The doctor. He's the one who got me into listening to your show. Oh, okay. I love it. Yeah. Yeah. He's like very typical. I totally, I totally understand. So go on. Yeah. So I don't, I guess you could say he's bi curious. So the first one I believe was just him and a guy sitting on a couch together, watching porn, jacking off. I don't think they had touched each other or anything in that situation. Okay. And then I think it was maybe when we had the threesome, he was like, I wonder what it would be like to suck a guy's dick. Like before the whole situation, I was like, fucking go for it. He's like, you don't think that's weird? I was like, I really don't care. If you want to try it, fucking try it. That's how I am. If I think about something and I think it would be cool, I'm going to try it. Like, and we talk about it and try it. So he was like, I think I might want to. Is that cool? I'm like, absolutely fucking do it. And then he was like, I kind of like it. It's all right. And he's like, does that make me gay? I was like, I don't know. I don't think so. I don't care. I was like, do you feel like you want to have a relationship with a guy? He's like, no, I was like, then why would you think it's gay? Is it by curious? Sure. I don't like labels, I guess. I don't really care about labels. If you want to try it, try it. So I think that's how it went. And he ended up when we were with the threesome guy, I wanted to like suck his dick and then it became a thing. And it did he do it that time? Yeah, he did. And with the processor. Yep. He did it like a little bit. And he was like, oh, that was okay. And then at some point it was like, what do you think it would be like if we sucked his dick together? And it was like, that could be fun. So the next time we saw the threesome guy, it was like, we did that. And it was like the whole, you know how you like, lick up like the side or whatever, and then you kind of stuck on it a little bit. So we did that together. And I was on one side, he was on the other, our lips are touching on the other, you know, top and bottom. And then like we kiss and then go back down on it was really fucking hot. And he was like, does that make me gay? I was like, do you care at this point? Like, I don't even care. Like it was fun. It was hot. We enjoyed it. Why do you care what other people put a label on it as? Right. Yeah, of course. No, I mean, the fact that you didn't talk like you played that threesome off, like it was a one time thing when it wasn't. And your husband was with the guy and your husband was with a guy and you did left that out and you did DP and I wasn't with the guy. He blew him. That's kind of with the guy. I'm sure. I mean, I'm just saying, listen, I'm just laughing at you with your storytelling because and people are going to be like, oh, you're so rude. I'm not rude. I'm just funny. I just like, you know, you're fine. I'm done. You know, I'm like, I'm laughing at you because you didn't add these details. This is why it's very important for me to be on these calls. Yeah. Because you have an hour and like I have so many things to say that you kind of like go through them all. No, you went through all your stories. You're like, and that's where we're at now. We were at 32 minutes. We're at 32 minutes. Yeah. I guess some of the details. All of it. It's okay. I get them though. Don't you see? That's why I am needed to interrupt and ask my fucking question. Because I get it all out. I mean, this is a whole big. This is a whole big part. For a long time, like I could take up the whole hour with just the threesome guy. I could take up a whole hour with just the situation with the couple. Like. Why? How many times have you been with the couple? The couple we were with one time. Okay. But still. Let's get back to the threesome guy. No, let's talk more about him. Yeah. Yeah. So he's the crush. Does he always show up dressed? No. The first time he came up dressed and then the second time we and so the first time we had him at a hotel because I was like, I don't know this guy. I get kind of creeped out about that kind of stuff. Anyways, so the first one we went to the hotel and we met the guy and he was cross-dressers because we always thought that would be kind of cool. Like I think girls are hot and I wanted to do the DP thing. So I was like, what if we found a guy that was like dressed and he was super cute as a girl, but he had a cock? Like that would be fun, right? And that's how that situation started. And we met him and he had like the breastplate and the whole the wig and everything and it was fun. And then we met him at our house and he wasn't dressed because I was like, oh, maybe it would be fun. Can I do your makeup? Like I like to play with makeup. I'm not really into it all that much, but I play with it sometimes. So I was like, oh, can I do his makeup? Like he can come over and like you can just hang out in the living room and meet him. I'll just like do his makeup. Well, that didn't end up happening because we ran out of time, but he came over and we, you know, did our whole thing and it was, you know, really good. So I'm trying to think like we were on the floor. I had my toy. That was kind of one of those scenarios where he was behind me and I was like over top of my husband and he was saying how he gets to see those like views that he can't see when it's just me and him like behind. And oh, there was one time where he was, we were on the couch and I was over the top of him and my husband was like playing with his balls as he's like inside of me. And so he's got his like face down there and he's like rubbing his balls and stuff as he's watching it go in and out. See, we have these conversations after it happens. Yeah. And then we're like, this is what we like. Like that was really fucking hot. And do you like to see him with guys? I don't mind. Yeah. But do you get turned on by it? I mean, yeah. Yeah. Okay. Like in different things, like the blowjob, double blowjob was like super hot. That kind of stuff. That was super hot. Yeah. Has he gone further than the blowjob? Um, I think this last time, so we were with the threesome guy three times this last time he, uh, tried to, I guess, top. Yeah. And he's not really into it. He wasn't. No. Okay. And the, the, it's two other times with that guy. He came not dressed, correct? The first time he was dressed the second time and the third time he was not dressed. Right. Okay. And did you prefer, you prefer him not dressed, right? I don't mind either way. It was cool either way. Oh, okay. And your husband, cause a lot of guys are into cross-dressers. I gotta tell you, I know when I get my cross-dressers on, like they put themselves up there and a lot of guys hit them up. He hasn't said what he prefers. Right. Okay. Mm hmm. And do you know anything about the guy that he sees now that he's meeting up with? The old, it's an older. I is about in his sixties. Interesting. He's married and his wife's like always in the other room, like sleeping, but like his wife knows about it. Like he's the other guy's wife and they just sit on the couch and either like jack each other off or jack themselves off while they watch porn. Oh, I think he said this last time the guy got a funnel and put it in the tip of his cock and, and my husband came into the funnel and they watched it like go down and the guy's like super vocal and was like, Oh my God, that's so hot and stuff like that. Isn't it so funny what guys fucking do? Oh my God. Yes. Yes. I mean, the shit that I've heard on my show, I can't even tell you. It's crazy. Yeah. I mean, I've been like, Oh my God, that's crazy. And I'm like, it's not crazy. It happens all the time. That's how I am. I'm like, no, it's not. It's not crazy. It happens all the time. You would not believe what I have seen online. No, I listen at least in this story with these guys jacking off on the couch together, watching their common a funnel, like at least like the wives are in the know. I mean, I have heard these stories, you know, where like the minute they see the wife leave on their business trip, they're calling up the guy down the road. Yeah. You know, and you're like, this is why it's so bad that this stuff is going down behind someone's back. Exactly. So the first time that I tried to set up the DP on my own way back when it ended up being one of the guys was married and was into guys and his wife had no idea. And I'm like, how do you live like that? Like why? I'm like, have you ever thought about telling your wife? And he's like, Oh no, she would hate it. And I was like, how do you know if you don't even ask? Yeah, unfortunately. I that's why I think it's so great that that heated rivalry came out because it just showed that so many girls are into it and maybe guys would be more open to feeling their wife out, you know, because now they see it. You know, there is still this whole big stigma. But let me get back to your relationship with your guy. Like, you know, because he was a very vanilla guy before you and now he's trying out all these things. He's got you who you're very not vanilla. You're very open minded. You know, how does he feel in this relationship compared to the past? You know, it must be so like great for him considering that this is a shy guy that lived with the woman that put him down for all of his stuff. And he's literally on the opposite of the end of the spectrum now. Yeah. Yeah. He, I mean, according to what he tells me, he loves it. He is like you. Like, I cannot believe that your ex cheated. Like he had the availability to do whatever he want and it was really okay. And he still cheated. Like he cannot believe it. He thinks it's, you know, the greatest thing ever. If he, you know, comes across something online and he thinks, oh, maybe that might be fun. You know, we'll talk about it. And yeah, let's try it. What's on your guys. What's on your guys bucket list now? I don't actually know. Do you want to see that couple again? Um, yeah, maybe if, if we have the opportunity, they didn't live in town, but we have a profile on SLS and we're like talking to other people and hoping to meet up. I mean, like the goal is to have like some friends that we can mess around with and like take the boat out and, you know, do some fun stuff on the boat and like go camping and have game nights and, and, you know, do some, some sexy stuff at the same time. We just haven't found one that is that meets up with like our schedules and that kind of have the same interest type of thing. Like it's really actually kind of hard to find people on SLS. Oh, really? Actually me. Yeah. Like a lot of people like just talk or they trade picks. Like it is kind of actually hard to find a couple to meet. Have you, have you like gone back to like a hotel takeover or have you looked into any swing or clubs in your area? How come? Well, I haven't found one again. So when I was on it previously, I had a different profile and I somehow got hooked up with a couple that ran the parties. And so as of yet, I haven't found anyone that does that again yet. So that was like 20 years ago. Oh, OK. They exist really. Sure. There's one close by and, you know, that's probably like, I mean, you talked about how great they were so many times. That's probably like a great way for you to go and start meeting more people. Meeting people. Yeah. Right. Yeah. If we come across it, we will find it. There was one like a house party by us not that long ago that ended up getting canceled and we talked about going to that, but it got canceled. Right. Right. OK. So yeah. I mean, listen, do you ever try SDC every time? I've heard different things about like, well, SDC, you could get a free trial with my code 37712 or just go to the description, any description of any of my podcast things. And you'll see the link and it'll give you a free trial to hook it up. And that's another place like SLS. And what people say, the difference between SDC and SLS, because they've both been around forever and they're huge, is sometimes people find depending on where you live and I don't know the difference, whether it's east coast, west coast, which one is better where. But a lot of people say like one is better in one area and the other one is not so great in the air. You know what I mean? They flip back and forth. So, you know, maybe try SDC and see if you get more information in your area. Because I have heard and I don't know where you live. And like I said, I don't remember the specifics, but supposedly one is a little better in a certain area compared to the other. We're all sorry. Yeah, I don't know. So try SDC. You might have better luck there because maybe that's why, you know, you should definitely put yourself out there. And your husband is like totally like, what's his favorite thing? Do you think? Um, I'm not really sure. Do you think he, did he love seeing you with another guy? Do you know, does he love the threesomes with the other guys? Does he love you being there with him, enjoying stuff? Does he like solo play? Do you know? I'm pretty sure he loves all of it. What about you? You ever like plan on doing any kind of solo stuff or do you prefer it like with your guy being there? I'd rather him be there. I don't need any solo situation at all. Right. You said like you're into women, but you really only into them if a guy is around. Correct? Yeah. Right. Was that woman by that you saw in the couple? No. So there was no play with her? No. Would your guy want to, is that something that your guy wants to experience you with another woman? Okay. Yep. Absolutely. Yeah. He's down for every, why not? He's got a girl that's down. And the like, yeah. And the couple that we're talking to right now either or the couple that we're talking to, she doesn't either. And I'm like, Oh yeah. Well, you'll find one. I mean, they exist. Yeah. You know what I mean? Do you put on your profile that he's like into dudes? No. Okay. You know, right. Unfortunately, cause sometimes that'll like cock block you, right? Yeah. He doesn't, he's open with it with me and he does the things that heat that like come up in his mind and it's totally okay. And I don't really care and I don't put a label on it. But no, that's not something that, that we want to advertise. Like it like in conversation, we'll like lead, we'll lead to conversation to see if that's something that's okay, but not like push it. And if it's something that leads into it, then it's cool. But otherwise, no, we don't. Right. And you really don't have to because he is getting that part of himself fulfilled like in his own way, right? He's got his guys on the side. So really you guys could just play and do other things, which is great. I love your whole story, Pepper. You know, I'm glad your guy turned you on to my show. Was he the one that nudged you to call in? Or once you started listening, you're like, Oh, I should call in. Um, I think at one point, so I'm still like in, I don't know, the, the under 200 episodes. Oh my God, you're listening to the beginning? Oh my God. Yeah. Yeah. I'm still in the beginning. So I listened to him when I might work. He listens to him when he's at work and he's like way farther into it than I am because he started listening before I did. So I've heard the things like a bunch of times in the beginning, obviously, when you're like, Oh, I never really have girls call in that much. And I had mentioned to him, I was like, I should call in. He's like, Yeah, you totally should. I was like, should I, and he was like, Yeah, I was like, do you want to come on with me? He's like, No. And I was like, Okay, well, I'm just going to tell her whatever that. And he's like, I don't care. Like people don't know us. He's going to love it though to hear his girl on talking. You know, maybe he's shy and stuff. So that's great. He is shy. Yeah. I mean, I remember back in the day, Molly was my big like girl that would call in all the time. She was like the first one. Things have very much changed for like, you know, in the world really. And I think also with podcasting, because it's much bigger when I started, it's not like everyone had a podcast, you know, I started 12 years ago. So it was like very different time. And now so many more couples listen, I get emails on the daily saying we listen to gay couples, you know, which I think is great. So and I never had women. And now I have women calling all the time. And I love it. I still, there's still like, when we're down the dead episodes, people want to know that women like sex just like men want to know women like sex just like them, you know what I mean? Yeah. And it's always interesting to hear, you know, different sides of the same story. Like, you know, a lot of times I have the guy on who is hooking up with the guys. But to hear the story of the guy that's looking at the guys from the woman's perspective, I think is always super interesting too. Right. Because you're here to say like, I don't give a fuck. Like that's totally fine. And if you exist, other women exist, you know what I mean? Oh, for sure. Yeah. And it's funny because like I work in a man's field. I won't say what I do, but I work in a man's field and I've always been very open. So a lot of the guys that I talk to, they know all about what I do because I am not shy about it whatsoever. And you get all these stories from men. So I've been getting these stories from men for the last 10, 15 years in my field of work. That's like, oh, yeah, I love this. Like I had a guy tell me that he wanted to take one of my high heels and shove it up his ass and I'm like, all right, sweet. And I've had the guys that work that tell me, Hey, do you think it's cool that I wear soky panties under my trousers at work? Like in a super male dominated thing. And I'm like, fuck in that school. I bet they feel super soft on your nuts. Like, like that's awesome. Oh, my God. And it's totally not something I'm into. But, you know, I kind of feel like, yeah. No, not whatsoever. And it's like, yeah, they need that support. We need the support. Everybody needs the support. Like, well, I think that's why my show. But I really do think that's why. Because my show, I have a very big audience, you know, I've been podcasting for a really long time. And I really think that that's a big reason why my show became successful. I think especially because I'm a female host, accepting these guys calling in and being so open and OK with everything that they send my way. Because I'm like you, I don't really care about what someone does with sex. I'm completely the most non-judgmental person you'll ever meet. When anyone calls me that, I'm like, are you crazy? Like not one friend. Any of my friends would be like, she doesn't care about it. You know, I really don't. Like honestly, consensual stuff and everything. That's a different story. But like I really don't care. And I think that guys, you know, the fact that there's a woman that allows these guys to come on and give their, let their freak flag fly the way the guys are doing for you in the office. Same thing. They need that. They need to know that they're not gross. Because a lot of times they do get, ew, that's gross. Yeah. Some girls. And you know, and I think things are changing for sure. You know, and I think that they need to know that they're not gross because they're not right. And that's the truth. You should put my, you know, podcast up on the bulletin board at your work. All those guys would love it and make it all call in. I have told a couple of guys about it. Yeah. That's awesome. All right. Well, listen, Papar, you're the best. I love your whole story. I will change your voice. Don't worry. You know about my Patreon. If you want to send anonymous pecs, you're also going to get free access to my Discord, which is super fun. We're having the annual Dick Pick contest. We do a lot of contests there. They're all posted on there. I mean, I get like hundreds of people submitting in picks. We just did a lingerie contest. We've done a titty contest. We do the Dick Pick contest is the biggest. I can't even tell you. And all my listeners have really big dicks. I can't believe it. Wait till you go. Go into the last one we did when you get into Discord. You should just be scrolling up for hours until you get to the top. I mean, I can't tell you how many people. Me and my husband will have a lot to talk about. Yeah. You will. And you could participate in the next one. It's coming up. And I think I typically do like 150 as the winner thing. But I think for the Dick Pick, because it's such a big one and it's annual, I think I'm going to do like a $300 prize for the best Dick Pick. So we're doing that soon. So you're going to get the link when you get my thank you email, like when we hang up. So go sign up for Discord. Send me anonymous picks if you want for Patreon. The ones for Patreon need to be like, you know, R rated. I always say that. And then you could do whatever you want on Discord and post as pepper and your guy when your episode airs, you know. So thanks again for calling us with a great story. I loved it. Yeah. Maybe I'll have him get on if he's not too shy. Yeah. After he listens to it, you're let him know he's, I'd love to have him on. Yeah. I mean, and we're supposed to be worse. Going to have some more scenarios hopefully soon. So we'll shoot you a message. Yeah. Definitely for sure. I'd love to have him on. Okay. Let him. Thanks, Pepper. Bye. Have a nice day. Okay. I just want to tell you before you go that my book, it's called strictly anonymous confession, secret sex lives of total strangers is now available, not only in paperback and ebook, but you can pre-order the audio book. It's still not going to be out till August 25th, but you can pre-order it. The book is basically 17 different stories taken from my show. I kind of picked one story from each category that I talk about on my show. Like there's a hot wife story. There's a cook queen story. There's a cook story. There's a gang being girl story. Like I said, 17 stories and they're all told in the third person and they're all true. I took the interview and rewrote it in the third person and I wouldn't really call it like a total erotica book. Think like penthouse letters. It's more direct. It's not so over the top like erotica. I don't really like that kind of vibe, right? But these are true stories. 17 of them. They're really short chapters. Easy read. You could read, you know, one or two and then skip around. You could read the whole book. It's available in eback format, paperback format. And finally, the audio book is available coming out August 25th, but you could pre-order it now. And if you buy my book in any format or pre-order it, I will throw in a complimentary link to my discord. My discord does not disappoint. Okay. There's no way you'd get into my discord any other way than getting the link from me. Okay. I give it to people who buy my book. There's tons of people in there. Everybody shares content with each other and that's what you get to do there. You could post your own pictures and videos. There's tons of channels. We have lots of contests where you could win a lot of money. It's a super fun place to be. It's a total strictly anonymous community and you will love it. I will be giving anyone who buys my book access to my discord. It's private. Like I said, all you got to do is email me a screenshot of your purchase, whether you did the audio book, the ebook or the paperback, send it to me at strictlyanonymouspodcastatgmail.com. That's strictlyanonymouspodcastatgmail.com and I will send you the link to discord. So anyway, thanks so much for tuning in. This is the strictlyanonymous podcast. Strictlyanonymouspodcast.