The Future of AI, Digital Twins & AGI ft. Bill Inman | Coffeez for Closers with Joe Shalaby

So what are you telling your kids to do? Because here you are, you're like, you have like a 10 year old and a 13 year old. And here you are, for most front end of the previous stack revolution, and you're literally growing brains as computer processors, which is weird. But that's where he is. He's like, look, this is this is the revised your story. I'm telling my kids they need to be an influencer, and they need to be good at sports, because those are and make the human fangs. Welcome to another episode of Coffee. Bill, thanks for jumping on the show. Yeah, I want to create an intro. Thanks for having me here, Joe. So nice to be here with you. You know, it's still not sufficient, Bill. You're changing the game in the AI space. I'm excited to have this discussion with you. And if you want, just to give people a quick, you know, 2000 foot overview of what is it that you do? And what does your organization do? And how can people benefit from, from this today's show? Well, Joe, as you know, because you're a media innovator, and you've really used the tools that everything that the internet provides and social media to affect a lot of people's lives. In a similar way, technology is continuing to move real fast, specifically around AI, and the world is changing more rapidly than other than ever. So we created a twin protocol, not only for the legacy use case that you talked about, being able to talk to your even deceased loved ones in some cases. We could talk about that. But also for people to be able to take part in the AI economy, which is going to be trillions of new money, and people don't know how to access. So we're really passionate about bringing our technology, AI, avatars, blockchain to the world, to give people the opportunity to adapt to this massive change that's coming. So that's why we created a twin protocol, Joseph. And, you know, recently, I've seen several other applications that have come out with being able to talk to your deceased loved ones. I feel like setting up a deceased loved one, Quinn, would take a lot of work, especially with the lack of data that you could provide or feed the avatar. Yeah, one thing that people don't have a lot of these days is they don't know what data to feed into their AI. It's a new problem. So it's not something that people have dealt with for a long time. But I'll give you an example of one, we call them legacy twins. These are twins that basically, you know, you, maybe the person is not around towards your grandmother. And a gentleman that works with us, his name's Curtis, his dad, Jean Flew was the first presidential helicopter pilot. Jean passed about seven years ago and he had a book. He had book about stories about flying Nixon and flying Carter and flying Ford and flying King. So we ingested his book and we had some old video footage of him from like seven years ago. And you're now able to tell him, take tell me a story about Nixon flying in a helicopter. What happened in the White House of the day you flew Nixon off the lawn and he was doing the peace signs, which he was he was that pilot in that picture. So it's pretty amazing because his son can talk to him again and relive all those stories. So I think it's really important as time goes on that we start to capture all these stories from our grandmother, our grandfather, our families and put those into an AI so that legacy can live on and for generations and generations, they can experience all that wisdom. That's so cool. I'm excited to start to play with that concept as well for those deceased loved ones that have passed on me. I don't know how emotional I'll get listening to their voices again, but you know, it'll be it'll be quite interesting. I knew Jean, a gentleman we talked about. I was pretty emotional just talking to him because he was his my best friend's dad and I hadn't talked with him for a long time and being able to interact with them, you know, kind of got emotional for me. And he's letting me use that. I was the experience. It's obviously AI is limited and emotionally how it can look on camera. It's getting better and better every day. It's a bit scary. But just being able to have a one-to-one interaction with him with questions that I was asking, it's a trip. It's very it's very similar to talking to somebody in real life. It's just going to keep getting better and better and in 10 years you're really going to feel like you're sitting with that person. I'm proud. Would there be a hot room, a humanoid robot talking to your car? A lot of things are happening that are going to be different than you've experienced before in the coming years. And some ways that's exciting because you know, I'll always be able to nag my kids. Like they want that. Yeah, you'll be around too. You know, for these spent for I was talking to a lot of family offices recently and they want to pass wisdom and finances and you have this great transfer from baby boomers over to younger generations because a lot of big boomers are retiring and you're passing away. So these family offices are really excited because they want to share the wealth that they fill, but they also want to share their foundation, their mission, their goals, their values and generations that follow will be able to talk to you know, the great grandfather who created all the wealth and said, look, I want you to really understand how we did this and how it benefits the family. There's so many use cases. And to import that wisdom is really priceless, especially for generations to come because the wisdom is timeless. Now let me ask you a couple questions before twin you launch and exit multiple ventures. Was there a turning point where you really felt pulled to build, you know, this new vertical of AI Twin or, you know, what is it that really drew you to this? Yeah, I've, I've, I've always been drawn. So, so quick, quick background. I mean, I've raised about $200 million for startup companies that I've started. I don't talk an idea stage. I'm not talking about series A series B like later stage companies. And for the most part, they have been in human capital management and human performance. I've done some sports stuff and things like that. But I've always been and thrilled with how can we leverage technology to make our lives better, to have a better career, to have more opportunity. And, and when I found blockchain in 2015, I, the first thing I did is I started to put resumes on chain. 70% of resumes have fake information, but we put them in blockchain. So it can't be modified because it lives on different servers and you can't just go in and change it. There's what's called an immutable record. We put resumes on chain and then people could go check to see if a resume had something different than it had yesterday. So you couldn't add five years experience or this vertical. So, using blockchain and then naturally coming to AI, which, which I've been involved with since 2015 and has exploded since chat GPT was launched by OpenAI in the past couple years, it just naturally leads you in this direction because we're creating an intelligence greater than us and people need to understand what it is. A lot of people don't understand what's coming with it. People need to understand what it is and they need to be able to use it in their own lives. So I'm really passionate about that. People owning their own data and then, and then using it in their lives on a daily basis. You said something really like stop provoking. You say a lot of people don't understand what's happening with AI and what's coming with AI. What do you think is coming? If you go to the mission of OpenAI, which is chat GPT, I think that's a household word now, right? Everybody knows chat GPT open and it's the fastest, fastest app to get 800 million users ever. Their mission is they want to achieve artificial general intelligence. So we're not there yet. Let me explain what it is. We're in an era right now of artificial narrow intelligence. Hey AI, count this for me, something narrow. Draw this for me, write this for me, edit this for me, make this contract that's called narrow AI. The next phase of AI, and there's been many scientists and futurists that have talked about this. One, his name is Ray Kurzweil. He wrote the book, The Singularity is Near. And most recently, the Singularity is Near. He talks about artificial general intelligence. This is when AI is as knowledgeable or smart as one person. So you have an AI equal to one person. It could then be the best engineer. It could be the best marketer. It could even be the best surgeon, obviously using different IoT devices and things. So the mission of Open AI is artificial general intelligence, creating an intelligence that's as smart as a human. There's one more phase beyond this called ASI, artificial super intelligence. And this is when AI is as smart as the entire world all of once and just ripping out Nobel prize winning ideas every second that could change your cancer. New forms of fusion, what have you, flying cars, whatever the case may be. So people don't understand all of this is happening in the next five to ten years. So with electricity, it gradually grew from the late 1800s to about 1930, only 30% of US homes had electricity. That was a slow bill. This is something we're talking about as fundamental as electricity in the next five years. People don't know how to work it into their life, their business. They don't understand how it's going to impact their jobs. So I'm dedicated to helping them. How does that sound scary with artificial super intelligence? I never really heard that word. Artificial general intelligence, I mean, what will AI and ASI do to employment in general? If you have artificial super intelligence and it's solving global problems, what does that do to every different economy? What does that do to? The same thing that electricity did. Electricity obviously changed from an agrarian society into the industrial revolution. And then beyond, obviously electricity is the foundation for this conversation we're having right now without it, we couldn't have it. So it gets embedded into the fabric of society and listen, there's still farmers, of course say there's vertical farming and there's massive agrarian operations and there's monsanto and then there's people that just grow food in their backyard. So society changed with electricity, but it had time. You know, it had a hundred years to change. We're talking about 10 years now, so it's everything's compressed. So what it's going to do to jobs is it's going to make a lot of jobs obsolete. It's already doing that to some degree, but it's going to create more millionaires and wealth than the history of humanity has ever seen. So anybody that's watching this, it's not a time to be scared. I get it. I get freaked out by a lot of this stuff too. It's a time to grab it and then get ahead of it and make it like the best time you've ever had the best economic time for your own personal wealth ever is possible. I mean, yeah, we're going to see publicly traded companies with one or two people soon, you know, like running the whole company. They have said that for, you know, definitely we're going to have one person companies that are unicorns or billion dollar companies, but you know, we're also going to see Joseph companies run by AI's. So you could educate an AI on being the best podcaster, best media, most creative, fun, funny, and it could be running a company for you, talking to people what, what they need to do it, taking them through the process, creating podcast ideas for you. And then as we talked about actually before the call a little bit, making the content as an AI twin of you. So not only will humans, one person companies be unicorns, AI run companies will be around this world and they will employ humans. So, so when we have ASI, that will certainly happen because now you have, you know, the smartest being ever times every human being in the world. I didn't even know those terms. You educate me today. I thought we were just talking about the world of chat, GPT. I didn't know they were trying to achieve AGI and ASI. I thought we were next step was augmented reality, but it seems like there's a lot more coming. There's a lot more coming. And I urge you if you're watching this, just go look at the mission of OpenAI and you'll see it right there front center, artificial general intelligence. So they're they're taking data from the internet. They basically borrowed the internet and they got really upset at OpenAI when deep seek, which was the Chinese company that basically took all their data and started a new model. It didn't have to train. It was a lot more easier to do less power because OpenAI had them the heavy lifting. So these companies are sucking in all the data of whether they be patents or trademarks or they've already ingested most of YouTube. And they, you know, there's a lot of legal battles now saying, who quit? That was my data, who owns that data. And some OpenAI and companies like that are winning saying, well, this is derivative works. This is just like when you were in third grade, you learned something from a third grade teacher. You don't pay pass scale or Newton every time you use physics. And that's what they're saying. The fight is for them that they can leverage data. So our goal is to give people back their data so they own it. Like Joseph, you've created 50, 100 shows now. That's your data. It's the data of your podcast guess. That's really valuable. There's a knowledge base there that would help people be successful in life if they could just access your twin. And you want to own that. You don't want to give it to OpenAI or Google or Anthropic or any of these companies. You want to own it so that you can share that. Although they have it. Projects. Every time you talk to chat GPT about me, it can reference every single word. It's reference. It can reference this specific podcast and everything we said in this podcast. So they have my data. And that's part of social AI indexing. Now every word you say on social media on a podcast is now indexed on these different AI platforms. It's on Grocht, on Gemini. It's on. They're aggregating all this data. Now they're able to create and formulate opinions based on these social media platforms or podcast platforms or blog platforms that are referencing my content. It's, you know, did you like that? Do I want that? No, I mean, we'll listen. It helps. So we are now in a place where AI is a decision maker for human. And if we are going to leverage chat GPT for helping us make decisions, the way we feed the out the, I don't know if it's an algorithm or I don't know what the proper reference tool is for the data we're feeding the web, which then is aggregated on the AI platforms. But we now have to play by the rules of AI, which is feed the web your data so that humans can make a proper or educated decision off of the indexing that the AI is pulling. So here we are. I have no choice. I've got to play by their rules. There's not like there's consent forms here to sign or, you know, omit. You just got to just, you know, accept that AI now decides for humans and objectively add all of your content on the web knowing that you're going to, it's going to be indexed and it's going to be used to eventually help your business. Or that's my theory. Well, that's one way. That's one way. I mean, I firmly believe that there's going to be a cancel culture against all this just, hey, take my data, take my brain. Tell me what, tell me when I need to eat pizza seven at night, AI, you tell me out of live life. I don't think that's the way it has to be. Well, I mean, it's there now is because if especially if you're looking at AI to help you with like your BMI or your, you know, to attain fitness goals, it's like, what should I eat? When should there's so many different devices already now telling you, eat this, don't eat this, breed this time. Let me know what, you know, send me your blood work. I'll tell you what to do. Yeah. And the blood work stuff is useful. I mean, you're a fit guy. So I imagine you use some of that stuff. And it's useful to know, hey, I got to 11,000 or 15,000 steps today. And my heart rates at 140 and storing that and then getting personal advice. That's helpful. And people need that. But that will not last. Okay. So once we reach, we talk about already, once we reach AGI and all of your data and everybody else's data is in an AGI system, that's going to create a new trillion dollar company that basically tells you what to work and what work, what, who's pulling you and what to eat. So there's a new way. This is where blockchain comes in. So let's just talk really quickly about blockchain. I keep it real simple. Okay. When you, when you put your, this video on StreamYard or YouTube, we've signed a user agreement and Google says, we're storing it on our servers. We're going to give you a service where we distribute this to billions of people, hundreds of billions of people. I'm sorry, hundreds of millions of people. And, um, and we own it. So it's on their server and Google can look into every single aspect of your, of your drive, of your docs, of your sheets, of your photos, and they have access to it. They just do. So on blockchain, however, when you store something on blockchain, this is true about Bitcoin, but it's also true about AI training data is what it's called. When you store something on blockchain, it's, it's fragmented and stored across multiple servers and you have to hack or unencrypt that file from all the computer, the consensus of the computers at once. So blockchain is going to allow us on our own data, put it out in the web, monetize it in ways we want without having to just give it to Google so they can have access to it. So that's a key technology here is blockchain, not just for crypto, but for storing our thoughts. And we're going to get away, Joseph, from basically posting on all these sites, we're going to have, we're going to own it, we're going to have open sites, or this is that. I don't know how that's going to happen or when that's going to happen. I would like to create my own AI twin, take all of my content that I've published, all my blogs, all my podcasts, and have that AI twin then duplicate, you know, these shows or just create content without me even thinking about it based on all of my data that it has done. And that's live now. We already have a ticker. That's the we have that a twin protocol now. We, for example, what we'll do, and I think we were happy to do this for you. And by the way, any of your, any of your users here who want to go to twinprotocol.com and sign up, they could, you know, we could let you know to give them a free code or something, Joseph, after this, so they know to get started. So well, the simple thing we could do is we could take just your video from this particular call, and we could put that and ingest that, quote unquote, into your twin. That's the video data. It's yours. You own it. And so it would look just like this call. It had your mannerisms, it had your hand up, it had you talking, however you talk, then we didn't just one or all of your podcasts and that knowledge base is stored on chain on blockchain. And people could start asking your twin photo realistic twin real time questions, voice to voice about any of that knowledge. So Joseph, tell me about you. What do you do? I'm having this trouble in life. I think this trouble in business from your knowledge base, you would be able to guide them. And we have that. That's really cool. Right now from the knowledge base we're agreeing from general, you know, AI, chat, GPT's, the latest one is all my team's able to deduct and reason and create all my content, et cetera. But we haven't got to where words video, you know, we haven't been leveraging my knowledge base for video content specifically or, you know, 24 seven Joseph, shall be AI avatar that's on standby for a Q and A or anything like that, which is exciting to know that we can do. I'd love to, you know, work on that probably immediately after this podcast and how fast is a launch? Real quick. I mean, it's real simple. So what you go to twin protocol, user goes to twin protocol, they sign up, they acquire an account, they upload just a simple picture of themselves, record three minutes of audio, put a few documents about themself, maybe even just their LinkedIn profile, done. You got to twin that somebody can talk to right away on the live on the internet. That's pretty cool. That's minutes. Yeah. Yeah. We're going to get that going and, you know, we'll let people talk to the Joseph, shall be twin on copies for closers.com. They love that. Yeah. And it's I'm always I love to be the kind of the pilot use case for a lot of our stuff. Now, um, right. Do you think some of your, so have all of your past ventures been in the tech space or, you know, is this the first AI business that you've launched? I mean, most of my businesses have been in the tech space. I for example, I've done some sports things. I work with the association of volleyball professionals. We started a youth, uh, a national youth program to help people get into the sport. My daughter played the sport. So I had an affinity for it. And I was a, uh, I was a two sport college athlete. So I love sports. So that's a bit of a derivative from that. I started, I've been in the fashion industry. My cousin created a company called foot pedals, which was like little designer high heeled shoe. Uh, things out of your users, or listeners, probably know it. And so I've been in that industry. But much of what I've done has been in tech because it's so empowering and it helps so many people at scale. And of course, the values of the companies, the multiples you get on companies that you build there can be extreme. There's some crazy valuations now in AI, for example, companies going from one trillion to five trillion in video. So there's a lot of power in that from a business perspective. And I just love it as well. Yeah, I mean, the EBITDA on a tech company is the most, it's like 10X or 20X any other company. Well, here's one for you. When, when open AI, when Microsoft invested an open AI, this is at the launch of chat GPT 3.5, the multiple was 676, uh, revenue. So, which is off the chart, ridiculous, right? So they barely had any revenue and they got me, you know, deck a billion dollar valuations. And so there's a lot and some people say we're in a bubble financial bubble and AI is driving that. It's quite possible, actually, because a lot of these companies have valuations that don't have fundamentals based on how many customers you have and what's your gross revenue? And are you profitable? And Amazon did that long, you know, 20 year cycle where they weren't profitable at all. But obviously we know they changed the entire e-commerce game and how people buy stuff. So, but there is a lot of fluff in today's multiples and growing the company, but they're getting ridiculous valuations. Yeah, Amazon just pivoted. I talked to another tech entrepreneur like, and they really, they're revenue, believe it or not, you know what's coming from is with ads now. It's more profitable than their products. Yeah. So, uh, yeah, that's probably a hundred percent margin there. Yeah, it's a lot. It's the, yeah, it's mostly all margin other than payrolls and such. And they have, and they basically, he was explaining to me that the, and this is a big tech entrepreneur, um, and he's just went, he just sold his publicly, his ad company. Um, but he said that, you know, the, the products are basically just content. That's all it is to get people to, you know, to get companies to advertise on Amazon. I'm like, wow, Amazon. And I'm sure it's not nearly as hyper-regulated as like meta and all these other platforms. Well, you know, on Amazon, and we'll probably do a lot of shopping there this, the holiday season this year. You go into Amazon and the sponsored products are right up top. Of course, they know what you've viewed before and they have all the data metadata and use that are able to serve up exactly what you want. And then people buy, and many products, especially on Amazon, they're so commoditized now. Like, there's so many similar products. And they're so inexpensive that it's hard to differentiate. So, you really need to have a brand. And this gets more and more important as AI comes around. You know this because you teach personal branding and it is so important for people really in any career to have a personal brand to stand for something because what employers always want and what companies like Amazon want is they want you to bring a following. They want you to bring users to them too. And then people that can either buy or be a part of what they're doing. So having a brand is for advertising is so important because it gets people to spend their disposable income and beyond. As you know, in the US, we spend way beyond going to debt for consumerism. But that's just how it is here. Now my argument and correct me from wrong is like in the age of AI indexing personal branding is imperative for any company just to survive. Just because of the decision making that AI is making for the consumers. And those that don't have any personal branding, which is pretty much 97% 98% of entrepreneurs, they're they're going to be left in the dust. And those that focus on branding are going to be the ones that grab all the market share and eat everybody's lunch. So I would you know venture to say that as we get to you know this artificial general AI or ASI like your brand is the only thing you got you know and and as you continue to build your brand, you're going to be able to leverage AGI much more so than those that never started the process. So I you're 100% right Joseph. I mean you are dead on with that. So I got the pleasure to go to dinner with a gentleman named James Tag. He a lot of the patents around touchscreen technology, which we have on our phones and on our watches is him. So he some people call him the inventor of the touchscreen. He's got a crazy new business, but I just mentioned it to let you know how far obvious he actually takes themselves and sends them to the space station grows them for 10 days. So at the space station sends them back to sends them back to earth and then they use those as organic computer processors brain cells as computer processors. This guy's name is James Tag. So I'm very crazy doing that one. That's science fiction, but the point was that science fiction that's here by the way. The point was I'm like so what do you tell your kids to do because here you are, you're like you have like a 10 year old and a 13 year old. And here you are for most front end of the previous tech revolution and you're literally growing brains as computer processors, which is weird, but that's where that's where he is. He's like look I'm and this is this is revised your story. I'm telling my my kids that they need to be an influencer and they need to be good at sports because those are innately human things. Humans are going to look at other humans and basically go, who are you and what's your brand and what do you stand for? So even somebody that nature who is building tech companies is telling his own kids you got to be an influencer. You got to do peak for peak human performance stuff because that's what he believes in. And that blew me away because it shows you how important of any stack gentlemen says being an influencer is going to be exactly what you're talking about with personal brand. Wow that just comes from so much of my theory about personal branding and I've been telling some of my kids to do that some of my kids are already doing that. Some of my kids are kind of worried about the unnecessary notoriety that you get in public. I was just telling my director here that you know like I just went to coffee today and some guy just stopped me. I'm with my kids you know like getting them breakfast and like hey I follow you like just threw me off. Yeah that's the only part I do. Yeah you don't like the you know just when you're out with your family just getting stopped that's kind of annoying but you just have to do is it's part of the game you know it's part of the pro and now you know with where we're entering with AGI and now what you just confirmed in this conversation it's like you must people must be able to acknowledge you and know who you are and know what the services you provide and the products you provide because that's the world that we're in and you know without that knowledge base you know you're kind of like you're competing in a very old-fashioned way. Totally old-fashioned you know we're using the internet now cold calling is dead that's just a few decades old so we're entering a new phase and 30% of the world are introverts right and you know how many people that want to get started first they'll run they fiddle around with lighting and cameras and they want to make sure they look right and they put up a green screen and hook hairs so but the thing about A.I. twins which we started the conversation with is my A.I. twin runs five shows for me just go to any bill in minsocial media x instagram facebook it's doing the show now i'm not an introvert but i wouldn't say i love being in front of a camera 247 it's not like the Truman show for me many people though they cannot get in front of a camera well guess what your twin can make content for you know with photo realistic and you don't even have to be in front of a camera anymore so for those people that are just totally disenfranchised because they're scared to death of being in front of a camera all good now create a twin have that twin do shows for you educate your twin to be the bet everybody on watching this is the best of the world at something thing lighting real estate professional and Las Vegas they can make all these videos now that's in front of a camera that's great and i wonder the quality of the of the twin the caliber of the content it will create in in comparison to you know them doing it themselves now those that are introverts want to get in front of a camera that just aren't good in front of a camera obviously they're going to win with the digital point because now they don't got to deal with it but you know if we look at the bill in minso and i know that a lot of its audio we're talking full visual mannerisms everything's in play there right again go to bill in min on instagram watch the shows my twin crates sometimes i'm blown away because it looks it sounds like me there's no doubt and i don't say any of it i don't write any of it i don't say any of it it just takes from my brain my twin brain my vault and creates the content i give it a subject now i curate it and i edit it because i don't want my twin saying something stupid on my behalf so i do approve it give it the blue check but it's not me it looks just like me it's getting better better every week wow you know a lot of this is refreshing especially as we start our next new venture our media company and we want to offer these services to folks that don't are terrified of building content or creating content or don't even want to deal with all this so you know me as an entrepreneur i see another billion dollar company that i can control with a small amount of personnel i don't need like 500 people on this in with this new venture i need just probably a dozen and i can launch them yeah a billion dollar company well you know what i'm excited about for you and you're really good at this first of all you're super creative you make fun content and a lot of it's i wouldn't say my content my content's agi and quantum computing so i can't really do a bunch of dad jokes about that and make it fun but but what you're really good at and what you can help people with and and your blue users and listeners can do this too is you're getting them into AI and you're showing them how to make all these things and create this around their personal brand and they can take that to the end degree so you're teaching people to teach others and that's so valuable because the word is now what agi is what artificial superintelligence is we didn't even talk about the singularity uh which is a book title that we talked about earlier where AI becomes self-replicating and has its own goals in mission beyond ASI so i think what you're able to do here is get people started on the track to understanding that AI is for you you can do it here's how to do it and i think you're going to have a really big business helping people like that yeah i'm actually meeting with my team we're launching in school and uh SKOL you know a school channel where people could subscribe to and all that and we're going to be doing you know we're teaching where we're teaching folks how to build their brand etc one of the components we're going to add and this would be probably a main framework is going to be the AI component and i don't know if my AI avatar will teach the class i don't know if i'll teach it pass i don't i don't know uh you know huh i don't know we'll stand next and teach it together yeah you pop i mean right here in my office here i've got a humanoid robot that i've been on stage with Sophia the robot who's really well known and um i've been on stage with the robot doing it might not be your avatar might be you in a humanoid robot might be your avatar might be a hologram might be a chatbot your brain might be integrated into somebody else's app do what you'll get paid on which we don't have holograms yet with the AI integration right do you have that there's hologram proof of con scops i would call them that are small enough devices where you could project like r2d2 princess leya tech stuff if you remember that in star wars yeah um but we're not at we're not at scale yet but what you will find and is impressive and still really young is the new metaglasses have a screen inside of your glasses yeah yeah those those just came out i'll admit this reality i'm near big as something i got it at the wind they had a pop-up shop and that overlay that's in your eye can be will be eventually where it's not a hologram but it's an overlay it did you overlay it looks like somebody standing in front of you and talking did you get them already where it because it looks like you're not gonna be nobody but so you you purchased them i did i bought them like the first week the new metaglasses that and it has this screen overlay in your right eye and they they have a wristband that you wear and then you kind of use your these kind of gestures to go yeah right and i've been trying to figure out what the hell am i gonna use this for besides looking like marty mcfly because they're like huge black glasses and i do find it useful i like to walk and talk on conference calls so i put the glasses on and in a WhatsApp or in a Facebook messenger the people who i'm talking to can see what i see so you could be really useful like hey i want to show you what's happening with my plumbing and you could wear those glasses and you can have your hands in there so it's cool for active communication and but don't wear it while you're driving i did i was driving it the first night i'm like oh shoot there was like too much going on here like right in front of my face so yeah so the use cases for those aren't really pronounced just yet but i'm sure i mean mark zuckerberg that those he was so excited about those i just don't know what i'm at the end of the cell phone that you're not gonna you're not gonna pick up your phone and have three screens and you're gonna basically have glasses on and the screen's gonna be in front of your eyes and your hands are gonna be free there's not gonna be cell phones in the traditional sense and very very short time we're talking about years cell phones will be obsolete soon huh why would you want to in your hand it's right in front of your eyes i just don't think you know pretty ladies are gonna want to wear big old glasses the contact lenses it's gonna make your eyes like we've gotten away i mean i don't know aesthetically i don't know how i'd look in those if phone we walk around with them yeah i'm sure you'd be fine but they have they have the oakley version which is like the big sports glasses the big huge ones and then they have the traditional meta glasses but they're thicker so it just looks a little bit bigger the oak and of course they're not the men they're not made by you i am no they're not agi yeah yeah they're not the augment i mean i mean augment they're not i'm sorry ageo all these terms are in reality reality yeah they are they are it is augmented reality so if you've got if you've got a map in front of your face then you're you're on a you're walking path you're riding a bike and it's showing you where to turn that's augmented reality so wait wait the oakley ones are augmented reality i've no those are just tracking devices i haven't tried those on yet but i don't think they have the built-in screen because they have the thin like yeah yeah that's right yeah the augmented reality and you know who's the first company to roll out augmented reality glasses wasn't meta i actually did i'm sponsored by snapchat snapchat was the first company to do it i love those glasses those were all that ones yeah i mean they're the first to put the camera inside of the thing and then you connect it to snap and they were way ahead of their time and they should have ran with that yeah they should have and they're but they're very expensive they're like i don't know $10,000 and they're very ugly they're massive yeah but they're they're gonna make sure i do augmented reality yeah they were they were a leader they're commercially you know there was other companies you know i've lived in Manhattan beach a friend of mine joe at a company was huge computer you were on your belt and i had big glasses but the commercial version where you actually could wear them in society they were really they were they were early yeah they were they're first to drop it now what advice do you think you'd give to a founder who want to you know to be disruptive in the AI space and feels like they're just an underdog because this is just the most hyper competitive space right now and it's over saturated and it's beyond a buzzword so AI is three things it's compute power the Nvidia's the TSMC the oracles of the world stargate as a project in the US China building data centers compute power big moat really hard to get into the compute power you and i are going to be able to go start a chip manufacturing business today we have to raise a billion dollars so then the second part of AI is algorithms and that is your gpt's your narrow AI's your embedded inside of even series is a version of an algorithm and you can that's where the glut is right there is tons of everybody in their mom has an algorithm to sell you now we're going to help you make you productive with this and your business productive with that and then the third part of AI is training data and that's the part that i'm in that's the part i think is blue ocean because what's happened is the algorithm companies the llms are just sucking and training data taking everybody's stuff including all your podcasts as you as you've seen yourself owning your own training data making that personal that's a business for an entrepreneur and then being able to have very succinct and accurate and narrow data for a business or a person so i like the training data side algorithms saturated compute power too big of a moat training data wide open that's my advice now how would i as an entrepreneur take my training data and leverage it and monetize well we're going to do this exactly for you and maybe for any of your listeners take all of your podcasts put them on chain so you own it put then you have interfaces to that an avatar we also do explainer videos so we could say just have explained to me the the the best way that you come up with creative scripts or you go out in the field and you come up with ideas and then an explainer video where it's a hand-grown kind of cartoony thing a meeting with say here's the eight steps to have great content do it so those are interfaces so for an entrepreneur take all of your training data and if you're not selecting it start collecting it and if you want to innovate in the space if you want to be the best AI real estate agent at Newport Beach get every bit of data on Newport Beach that is publicly available put that in your twin and have your twin start selling real estate in Newport Beach what do you mean it means that i'm a wealthy individual i just made a hundred i just made a million dollars on bitcoin i live in i mean i i want to move to one of the nicest areas in the u.s. Newport Beach what do i talk to they go to the Joseph shall be a new port beach real estate AI they learn all about the boats and the christmas light show and all the fun stuff in Newport what it's like and you sell your AI sells a house to somebody coming out of the middle east so you educate your AI on your business or the business you want to be in and you put it out there to the world and it becomes an influencer what we just talked about it's everything you're doing and i'm doing your AI becomes the influencer for you driving business start with that wow i mean easier said than done but i guess using your AI twin you're able to launch pretty quickly now you know what is what do you think the ultimate end goal is with with your legacy here with twin what what what's the ultimate legacy play here to make the world a better place where people own their own AI and we're not subject to whatever big tech powerful as i or a g i it's very powerful we're creating a new species on the planet that's as intelligent as us we're talking about in the next 20 years so my legacy is i want to give that power back to the people i want people to own all that data and aggregate it and the people will create their own a g i so that they have a say in how they make money and how and if it's beneficial to the environment or not and so on so my legacy is going to be and and and you and i are friends with pavon auger wall who is a founder of angel a i and i partner with him our goal is two billion a i twins and that's that's what we're going to do so the legacy will be getting to two billion twins everybody owns their own data they participate in the new multi trillion dollar market it's a great goal and you know it's like power back to the people you know it's kind of like this agenda that's fighting you know something that's ultimately somewhat it could be evil or if in the wrong hands is evil and if the people take control of this and understand this it's very powerful the biggest problem i see with this is one thing and i talked to pavon about this all the time even as even within my own company is adoption how do we get adoption especially at scale especially with people outside of gen alpha you know like or gen z or gen x like millennials will have a hard time even adopting well i would i would this is a challenge for us and then for you directly to all of your fan base get people they're up to get people their own a i twin where they own the data right so all you got to do is get people involved so start to get people their own a i twin and start to put the clinton out there and that goes viral so you want to get adoption let's get let's get your a i twin up and running so that it's educating people 24 7 365 in 40 languages so you're now talking arabic and and mandarin and then you're teaching people how to get their own a i twin and do the same for whatever they love so it can go viral this is all blue ocean nobody's done this yet get people their a i twin teach them how to have their own a i twin and that at the angel a i app again on auguro we actually pay people for introducing people a i so it's all wide open have your a i twin go viral for you and teach it to have other people's a i twin go viral and then you'll get adoption all on charred waters all very exciting stuff couple last questions before we wrap up this about your goals what's a personal goal that you have for yourself a family goal you have for your family and a goal that you have for your business yeah well my thanks for the questions i appreciate that stuff so my personal goal is i'm just trying to get better every day and you know i've been blessed to be a part of really exciting businesses and just the day-to-day tactics man i'm trying to be a better listener i'm trying to put myself in other people's shoes and uh and so i'm really trying to working as hard as possible i'm not bad at this to care about other people and help them reach their goals so that's that's what i want i also want to stay fit because it's such an exciting time and i want to be healthy and i want to lead by example so that's me uh for the business you know i've already stated that our goal is to get two billion twins so that's like a there's a metric for you right there like we know exactly where we're going so now how do we get there we need influencers we need communities we need groups and um and from a family perspective i i i'm an only child i have one daughter her name's Alexia in min her initials are a i we did not plan it like that and um i want to make sure that i can leave the world the better place for her so she doesn't have no clue about this massive change that's coming i'm on the front i'm on the front end of this because i love my family i love my friends i'm trying to find as much as possible because i want to be ready and so from a family perspective i just want to make sure that my family is ready for this all and everybody else you know my friend's stick so perfect last question especially like with all this stuff happening with the i and i know you want to leave the place the world the better place but when you're in front of the pearly gate what do you think god's gonna tell you um well i hope he i hope he would say or she or it i hope i hope it would say man you just left everything out there and did everything you can to be the best you could while you had your time uh living your life and and you did it for the benefit of others and not just for yourself i really hope that's the my review um i hope i can live up to that every day it's hard because life's challenges and mazzles hierarchy of needs and fighting the day to day challenges of life can take you away from that but i i would i would be honored to to to give that kind of effort to help others god bless you god bless your efforts continue to show people the light in this ever changing it's you know rapidly changing world of a i thank you bill for joining the show if people want to connect with you how do they find you uh bill in min b hi out l i n m a n every social channel so uh that again personal branding i'm with you on that you're a master at it you're doing a fantastic job uh having a world of you better with your help hey i twins man let's go uh this is what we do and i know that you're going to be the key person in this whole movement because you're a entrepreneur who wants to work at scale and add zeros to everything you do so i get it that uh massive scale and i i feel like i'm just beginning my journey i'm going to be launching very schools various platforms various educational platforms various social platforms so you know i'm really really excited about this partnership with you i'm really excited about everything that you're doing god bless you i hope we dominate together and thank you much so much i look forward to having you back on this film