George Conway & Rep. Robert Garcia

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Listen to Mind Games on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. 1969, Malcolm and Martin are gone. America is in crisis. And at Morehouse College, the students make their move. These students, including a young Samuel L. Jackson, locked up the members of the Board of Trustees, including Martin Luther King Sr. It's the true story of protest and rebellion in Black American history that you'll never forget. I'm Hans Charles. I'm Menelik Lumumba. Listen to The A Building on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Amanda Knox, and in the new podcast Doubt, the case of Lucy Letby, we unpack the story of an unimaginable tragedy that gripped the UK in 2023. But what if we didn't get the whole story? The evidence has been made to fit. The moment you look at the whole picture, the case collapsed. What if the truth was disguised by a story we chose to believe? Oh my God, I think she might be innocent. Listen to Doubt, The Case of Lucy Letby on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Mark's 12th district congressional candidate and friend of the show, George Conway, stops by to talk about Trump's state of the union address. And yes, it was long and crazy. Then we'll talk to ranking member on House Oversight, the one, the only Robert Garcia, about his next moves on getting justice for Epstein's victims. But first, the news. So, Molly, Trump's DOJ is losing a lot of court fights on Doge because you'll be shocked that they weren't careful, consider the rule of law, really looking for waste and abuse. And instead, we're recklessly following an agenda of one Elon Musk. Yeah, but I also want to talk about this story because there are so many reasons why it's important. But one of the most important reasons here is that U.S. courts are forcing the Trump administration to reveal information about the Department of Government efficiency and Elon Musk's role in it. So Elon Musk is the richest man in the entire world. He has more money than many countries, and he is the biggest Republican donor in basically all election cycles from now until the end of time. And he has been in our federal government for three months slashing and burning things like USAID, like PEPFAR, like all of these important government programs that have provided life-saving aid to people around the world and also in this country. So we don't really have great view into what Elon has done. We know that he compromised different federal agencies. He was in everything from Social Security to State Department. And the question is, what did he do? What were what was big balls? You remember big balls? He was the reason that ICE went into D.C. What was big balls doing in our federal government? What was the richest man in the world doing in our federal government? The Trump administration, just like with the Epstein files, they don't want you to know. And here's what's happening. The courts are like, no, no, no, you don't get to do that. So U.S. courts are foiling efforts by the Trump administration to keep under wraps information about the Department of Government efficiency and the role that the world's richest person, Elon Musk, played in it. Federal judges in New York have forced the government to reveal the names of Doge employees and contractors. This is something we've seen with this Trump administration with ICE, right? They don't want any transparency. They want them to wear masks. They want them to be able to do whatever they want. Earlier this month, the Maryland judge ruled that Musk can't be shielded from questions about the dilution of USAID for international development. And that is probably one of the biggest things that Elon Musk did was he basically disassembled all of the aid for the rest of the world that we in America give out. And he did it because he felt that it was not cost effective. I believe truly that we will for years and years and years see stories of the carnage that Elon Musk has wrought around the world. He poured millions of dollars into Donald Trump's reelection campaign, served as the public face of Doge and orchestrated sweeping U.S. cuts and thousands of government layoffs. So we will see more from this because judges are saying that none of this is legal. And I think that we have a really important legal defenders fund is a quote here. You really are seeing an unwillingness from the government to shed any type of light or accountability. It's an administration that is covering up every which way it can. And my guess is that there will be a real come to Jesus moment. By the way, they don't even want to release Musk's phone records. This is a bigger story that I think we're going to see more of. Agreed. All right, Molly, you got to bear with me for a second. Can you explain AI to me? I'm going to give you a recent history lesson. All right. So we're going to go back to February 12th, just 12 days ago. So Anthropics AI Safety Research quit his job calling the world in peril and say he's leaving to go write poetry in the English countryside. Who among us? So right around this time, we see a bunch of Internet hacks start to talk about these things called clawed bots. And they're telling you to buy a Mac Mini because now the Mac Mini will be your own personal assistant. Then it turned out this. So they were saying that they were talking to each other on Reddit boards. Then it turned out that this was all a psyop. And I'm very down on people saying Psyop, but this was actually a real one. That on Reddit, it was actually people pretending to be these robots to drive up the demand for this culture. So then we snap to this week where a very real fucked up thing happened that I'm not kidding you happened on Silicon Valley as well. It predicted the future here. Yes. Jid Yag, our prophet. By the way, I am in the process of rewatching Silicon Valley with my kids. I can't believe we didn't talk about this. We're doing the same thing. So the point being, let me read from Anthropix's message this week that literally made me nearly cry laughing. We've identified industrial-scale distillation attacks on our models by DeepSeek, Moonshot, AI, and Minimax. Now, let me translate. That's their competitors. These labs created over 24,000 fraudulent accounts and generated over 16 million exchanges with Cod, extracting its capabilities to train and improve their own models. So what the AI did is it went, Claude is really fucking good. We'll go in, train our models to fucking attack Claude. So with that, we now get to the culmination of why this matters to fast politics listeners. Yes. Why? It's basically what we're seeing is this tool is out of fucking control. It is doing so many bad things and they do not have a handle on it. These people are not careful. And we now have one Pete Hegseth saying Anthropic has told Friday to back down on its safeguards because we want to use it for the government because what the fuck could go wrong? Yeah. I mean, the good news is that Pete Hegseth is very smart, so we should be fine. And he's not very drunk. So let's give these guys the nukes. I mean, why not? It seems like a very good choice. I think this is going to end very well. Yeah. And the real horrifying thing here is if you read the details of this, this really sounds like Pete Hegseth is just in a pissing contest with him. He's like, you can't tell us what to do. You got to do whatever we want. And Dario Amodi, the head of Anthropic, which makes Claude, is a little like, yo, chief, you know, we might want to take a pause here after all that's been going on. We're definitely going to die. It's not good. I'm telling you, my favorite thing, my favorite story is coming next. And it is the kind of thing that makes me so as a bad speller and a dyslexic, I have misspelled things so much that I both like delight in this story and also relate to this story. So let's talk about it. OK, OK. Spell Mikey Cheryl right now for the listeners. No. Thank you. So this is a great story, though. DOJ sues Dem Governor and misspells her name over and over and over and over again. This is like my favorite story. I'm sorry. Misspells her name five of the eight times it's mentioned. Like, but I like that they like misspell Mikey. They misspell Cheryl. They misspell. I mean, like, I just I love it so much. It's a very wonderful story. Right. They're not sending their best. No, Ed, you know, they're suing her over banning advice in certain parts of New Jersey and spaces. As usual, it looks like this lawsuit is going to go pretty fucking badly. The part of this Mikey Sherrill thing is like she comes in, she wins big time. You know, this is a this is a governorship that I'm like a little invested in because I came in, I wrote about it. Everyone told me like it's a tide. It's not such a great race. And like I went and heard her speak at the No Kings rally and I wrote about it for The New York Times. And I was like, I was like, this woman is really good. Like and I thought, am I going crazy? Because I thought she was really good. And I just was like, am I losing my mind? And she won by big numbers. And she has been really like gone in there and has really done gangbusters. It's been really nice to see Democratic candidates, Democratic governors, you know, Spanberger and Mikey Sherrill. These two governors and then also our mayor, you know, we had this big snowstorm and actually he's I mean, it's not as cold as it was last time, but he's done an excellent job with the streets, at least where it was a lot more snow. It was a lot of snow. And like we just can walk now. And he's really gotten on people about their sidewalks. And it just is like it's really a good feeling to see Democratic politicians actually doing a great job in difficult circumstances. so we talk a lot of shit, but this has been really cool. Let me rephrase, I talk a lot of shit. Well, I'm from the same spot as you. So let's talk some shit though. Mike Johnson, very big worry that he's about to lose that one seat majority he has right now. And so because of that, his buddy Tony Gonzalez, who yesterday was a real landslide of a day in seeing how bad this is going for him that we don't even want me to read what he wrote to his staffer at 1251 in the morning. So I'm just going to skip that, But he was sex pesting at 1251 a.m. This is a story that came up through local media, like yet another story that came up through local media that just was not getting national media until when Nicole Wallace covered it on Deadline White House. And this was a story where a guy called Tony Gonzalez, he's a Republican member of Congress having an affair with someone who worked in his Uvalde district office. She sets herself on fire and kills herself. There are just endless texts of him harassing her. It is like really a dark story. And what I wanted to say about this story is a couple of things. One, yet another thing where we see a kind of Trumpy man abusing woman employee, a Me Too-ish scenario. And two, mega Christian Speaker Mike Johnson, who can't look at porn without it. Remember his porn thing with his son where nobody can look at porn? He had an accountability partner for his porn amongst us. Mr. Porn Accountability. He's saying that Gonzalez, it's not time for him to resign. That said, the NRCC has previously spent half a million dollars, almost half a million dollars over the last four weeks. So the question is, will they keep spending? It's a primary. We'll see what happens. But if I were Mike Johnson pretending to be a mega Christian, I might tell him to resign. One of the interesting things about this case also is that you've had some MAGA members of Congress who are women who have said, like Lauren Boebert, have said it's time for him to resign. And that is impressive. Good for her. And Corey Mills just looks on laughing. That's all I'm going to say. Corey Mills is not going to get involved in that for obvious reasons. Thank you. Let us show you at iHeartAdvertising.com. That's iHeartAdvertising.com. What if mind control is real? If you could control the behavior of anybody around you, what kind of life would you have? Can you hypnotically persuade someone to buy a car? When you look at your car, you're going to become overwhelmed with such good feelings. Can you hypnotize someone into sleeping with you? I gave her some suggestions to be sexually aroused. Can you get someone to join your cult? NLP was used on me to access my subconscious. NLP, aka Neuro Linguistic Programming, is a blend of hypnosis, linguistics, and psychology. Fans say it's like finally getting a user manual for your brain. It's about engineering consciousness. Mind Games is the story of NLP, its crazy cast of disciples, and the fake doctor who invented it at a New Age commune and sold it to guys in suits. He stood trial for murder and got acquitted The biggest mind game of all NLP might actually work This is wild Listen to Mind Games on the iHeartRadio app Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts Welcome to the A-Building. I'm Hans Charles. I'm Menelik Lumumba. It's 1969. Malcolm X and Martin Luther King Jr. have both been assassinated. And Black America is at a breaking point. rioting and protests broke out on an unprecedented scale. In Atlanta, Georgia, at Martin's alma mater, Morehouse College, the students had their own protest. It featured two prominent figures in Black history, Martin Luther King Sr. and a young student, Samuel L. Jackson. To be in what we really thought was a revolution. I mean, people were dying. 1968, the murder of Dr. King, which traumatized everyone. The FBI had a role in the murder of a Black Panther leader in Chicago. This story is about protest. It echoes in today's world far more than it should. And it will blow your mind. Listen to The A-Building on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. China's Ministry of State Security is one of the most mysterious and powerful spy agencies in the world. But in 2017, the FBI got inside. This is Special Agent Regal, Special Agent Bradley Hall. This MSS officer has no idea the U.S. government is on to him. But the FBI has his chats, texts, emails, even his personal diary. Hear how they got it on the Sixth Bureau podcast. I now have several terabytes of an MSS officer, no doubt, no question, of his life. And that's a unicorn. No one had ever seen anything like that. It was unbelievable. This is a story of the inner workings of the MSS and how one man's ambition and mistakes opened its vault of secrets. Listen to The Sixth Bureau on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. George Conway is a candidate in the Democratic primary in New York's 12th congressional district. welcome welcome george conway oh it was the best of times it was the worst of times it's i only watched this speech because of you you made me watch this speech because you want to come here and talk about this speech oh it's so unbearably bad he's so bad at this it's I mean, he's good at just sort of endless lies. Right. Look, I'm going to give him some credit here. He did say a couple of true things. He said that it's America's 250th anniversary. Right. You got those numbers right. Connor Hellebuck played a fantastic game on Sunday. The goal is hockey. Yes. 41 days. Hopped that right. That was true. and then I can't keep it I mean it just was just an endless series of lies about you can't even I mean it was like five seconds like five sentences in I lost track already of the lies sometimes anytime it's a sentence over ten words it's just a series of lies it's incredible so what I you know I watched the 2017 speech which was the speech that he gave right after American Carnage. Remember American Carnage? That wasn't the worst speech he's ever given. That was actually one of the better ones. And if Frank said, oh, this is the day he became president. Right. It was actually a good speech. And so Chris— It had a thread to it. I don't remember what he did, but it actually had a thread. It had a beginning, middle, and an end. This has no—I mean, this is just basically a Cuisinart of delugional projection. But a few things I want to talk about. So if you watch the 2017 speech versus now, it's been a decade of our lives wasted on this. And he is just a lot slower and tireder and fatter and weirder. But one of the things that he did do in this speech, which I think he is happy with, was he did these things where he tried to make you say if you love america stand up if you hate america stay seated right i don't know how well those worked but you could tell that was like a little bit of stephen miller i feel like yeah no it's it's it's that and then you know really really i i mean it's it's an old thing going back to reagan where you put somebody in the audience and write them out and you applaud them and then you try to bask in their glory by saying, I love them and I'm going to give them an award or I'm praising them for this. You join forces with them. I mean, I don't think I've ever seen this many people being trotted out as props. And while it just doesn't go anywhere, it's overdone. And anyway. Yeah, he brought everyone who's ever been in Breitbart out there, you know, the poor woman who was murdered by the immigrant on the bus, you know, or yeah, and had the crying parents. I mean, I don't know. I guess that Americans like that. They feel like it's, you know, it feels very tawdry to me. It does feel very tawdry, particularly when it's being done by a man who has absolutely no empathy, no capacity for, You know, he's just trotting them out as props. These people, they don't really care about any of these people. They're just being used. And it's it really is tawdry. It's really kind of it's it's. So so one thing he did that was smart, I think, and it was a piece that had been it had it was low hanging fruit that's been there for a long time. But it needs more context. the bipartisan stock ban is good and everyone but and it's a good opportunity for him to dunk on Pelosi who has not been at the forefront of it as she should be right the problem is if you look you have the most corrupt president in the history of mankind who's profiting off of crypto and everything else under the sun what he's doing is worse than stock trading um he's basically you You know, he's basically selling influence using crypto. You know, he's got that whole thing where they made the deal with the shakes and the shakes came over and bought into his company. It's like, why is that any better than the congressional stock trading? I mean, he's it's even worse than the congressional stock trade, but at least if the congressional stock trading is you can kind of learn something in your job that, you know, where the market's going to go. But this is just basically he's selling influence. Right. Which is even, you know, which is just direct cash and carry in a way that the stock trading, which is bad enough. Right. Yeah. I think that being like the biggest kleptocrat in American history, complaining about stock trading when you've also had a stock trading bill before that you said you weren't going to approve. I mean, that's the other thing is he's had other opportunities on this stock trading. none of it stops him it doesn't matter he'll he will do something today that he rejected yesterday and he won't you know again they're introducing some i don't know a marine i don't know again it just doesn't this must be like the 30th person they brought up yeah it's also this was a speech that started at nine and we're in now it's an hour 48 in right Right. And he said he was going to be very, very long. Yeah, he is. And I joked online that, you know, he's been trashing the rest of the Constitution, but now he's now he's going after the Eighth Amendment. That's the one that prohibits cruel or unusual punishment. It's true. So let's talk about the stock ban, the hockey people. He brought them in. That was the last minute ad. And then J.D. in charge of fraud. Let's talk about fraud, because fraud is an issue that Republicans have successfully done well on historically. And so he's going to put J.D. in charge of it. I thought Doge took care of that. Yeah. Yeah. I thought I was in abuse. Are you saying that the Doge didn't get rid of all the fraud, waste and abuse? What happened to Doge? You know, it's kind of like Iran. We obliterated their nuclear program and we will now obliterate them again because they can't have new people. OK, how do you want? It's like, oh, you know, he literally said that we obliterated their nuclear program and we will not allow them to have nuclear. weapons like and he's got the he's he's going to obliterate them again it doesn't even if you get these speeches are just designed for people who are basically not paying any attention at all and i don't think anybody's like i mean it's just it's just in i think it's just all staged so that you can have these people clap like seals and so you have the the dear leader up there and then the cult clapping. And that's what this is about. It's not coherent policy. It's not even a coherent speech. It just bounces from topic to topic. And, you know, most of the central points that he's making to the extent, you know, about things that matter, like inflation, employment, the lies, they're just flat out lies, flat out lies about the worst inflation in American history, I think he said I wish I had it was during the Biden administration excuse me dude you're you're you're 80 years old just about and you don't remember the 1970s I like it when he when he was like Fred Trump my father very handsome man yeah die very old though he wouldn't like me to say it yeah you know it's just so weird it's it's but the question is i think there are two questions i have for you which is one is he's as unpopular as he's ever been and he approval among independents i read the other day or yeah yeah he's just you know we got more people showing up to vote in the Democratic primary in Texas than in the Republican primary in Texas. Right. We've got the numbers I saw today were like Democrats are at one hundred and two percent of the 2022 numbers and Republicans are at like 50 percent. Right. So we got an enthusiasm problem. We got an admin where Donald Trump is not. But he doesn't have the same kind of stuff he's had even a year ago. So the question is, does this do anything for him? Does this get him anywhere? I don't think it really does anything. Maybe some people will turn on the television tomorrow and see clips of him being applauded and say, oh, well, maybe he's not so bad. But now people go back to the grocery stores. They can see what the price, what prices they're paying. They know whether they're making ends meet. and they can see whether the country is at war with a you know if we go to war against iran or we launch airstrikes against iran to obliterate a nuclear program that he says was already obliterated uh you know i mean people you can only you could fool some of the people all the time but you can't feel all you know you he he's running his string out and um i don't think he can really stop that again another person it's unbelievable one of the one of the basically everything it's like every minute or so somebody's getting an award or getting applause it's it's completely two things happened uh that i think we should talk about today that he was going into this with gang of eight got briefed by marco we don't know what that looks like but assuming that's something to do with Iran. We know that the U.S. military, shockingly, even though it has trillions of dollars, is stretched pretty thin, is what the U.S., because of Donald Trump making peace between India and Pakistan. By the way, if there's one thing not to say, it's that you've made peace between India and Pakistan. They keep saying, Like, you know, like we're going to end up at war with India because he's just so offended them about that. You know, he can't stop saying it. But he also made he ended a war, he said, between Kosovo and Serbia, the 1990s called. You also pronounced it Servivia. I like Servivia. Yeah. Syripevia is that's like kind of like, you know, like Slovakia, Slovakia or everything. It's like. In words of make words up. The one thing they got going on now, this was kind of nice, is 100 year old Korean war veteran. Yes. Why would the 100 year old Korean war veteran be like the 60th person they've announced? I mean, you do that one first. Everybody's applauding him. But it's like it's an hour and 54 minutes into the speech. Yeah. An hour and 44 minutes. What is this about? So the Gang of Eight met today with Marco. I assume Marco was shopping the Iran stuff with them. Supposedly there's more negotiations on Thursday. Maybe, maybe not. Get rid of the nuclear program that was obliterated. That was obliterated. Perhaps they'll get a nuclear deal. An Iran nuclear deal. They give up the obliterated program that they want to because we're threatening to obliterate it again. They maybe could call it the Iran nuclear deal. But there are no, but we obliterated the nuke. So how could it be a nuclear deal? I don't understand. Another point, important point is today was a really bad day for people in the Epstein file yet again. Oh, my goodness. Yes. Second Brit arrested called for questioning The heat is on Howard Lutnick sitting up in the front in an adorable little suit just delighted seems like he is not resigning from the cabinet Discuss Well, discuss. I mean, I mean, the biggest news of the day was the NPR story about how if you look at the we call them Bates numbers, they call them the reporters call them serial numbers. But when you produce documents, you number the documents. And they figured out by looking at all the documents that there's a range of numbers that are missing that contain documents from the FBI's investigations about allegations. Trump had raped a young girl at age 13. She was 13 years old. Yeah. And kind of bad. it strikes me that that is not exonerated no it's not exonerated and it's also a cover-up it's also a violation of the statute that he signed requiring the production of these materials to the public and um somebody actually is intentionally withholding them is he breaking the law here yeah he's breaking the law that he he signed they're all breaking the law i mean it's it's it's crazy stuff and um i i i just don't think i i think that that story is going to keep getting worse for him um just in an alternative world for a second better world or a worse world i don't think there is a worse one but if there were an alternative world where things made any sense wouldn't you just ask let nick to resign so you didn't seem uh you didn't seem just so craven and guilty or no the problem is who is he to ask anybody to resign what is lutnik has done that that trump hasn't done why why why should there be any standards for anybody if there's no standards for the president of the united states when it comes to being Epstein's friend or just lying his ass off or having connections to sleazy things. And that's the question with the Republican congressperson from Texas, Gonzalez, who is aide or not aide, a woman from his district office that he was having an affair with, set herself on fire. Now he's in a primary standing next to my favorite was having Greg Abbott standing next to some Troy Nils and Troy's trying to. You haven't even have people like Lauren Boebert saying the guy should resign. I mean, it's like. Boebert, Mace and Luna are the conscience of the Republican Party. Party is like the degree of moral degradation of the presidency. And a pretty dark party is just astounding. I mean, the lies. I mean, I don't I don't even know how you count all the lies because there are phrases and subphrases in these sentences that are just lies. And it just is just relentless. It's a relentless torrent now at an hour and 59 minutes. So your friend in mind, Jesse Cannon, sent me a bit of a little bit of a tweet from Navigator Research. Our dials are clear. Americans don't want Trump focused on foreign wars. They just want lower costs at home. how will the iran bombing iran help that i i don't see how it'll help that and it's a question i mean everybody's asking the same question online like if we obliterate it and ran nuclear weapons why are we saying that we need to obliterate them again none of this makes sense and you know all of it is very expensive all of it is a distraction all of it's just it's just a circus and it's just everything is meant to distract from everything else he just finished up he just finished up so it was two hours two hours uh and did you learn anything well no it there's no thread to it there's no coherent thread to it there's no accurate information once you listen to one lie, you can't listen to the rest because you're thinking about, how could he just brazenly tell that last lie? And then you listen to TuneIn again, it's like there's another one. And I, you know, I mean, people can't be that stupid. Some people are, but I think enough people are going to be able to pick out enough lies here that it's, I don't see how this does him any good. and it was boring, just boring. Unless you are yourself a member of the cult, it was just unbearable to watch. It's so boring. He's just this weird, this weird, you know, kind of monotone and rambling and slurring. It's just really unbearable to watch. And it's not leading in any direction. It's not interesting at all. So I don't understand why they think letting him go on for two hours helps him. I think it's really that he likes going on for two hours. It's a la Fidel Castro. You know, it's it's the the the the the egotistical maniac just wants to keep talking because he's got a captive audience. But it doesn't persuade anybody because he's incapable of persuasion. Yeah, just it's just it's unbearable. I, you know, but I don't I can't imagine people watch this all the way through. Well, we watched it all the way through. And now I'm still looking at it. I mean, people who listen to this podcast tomorrow morning or tonight when Jesse puts it out will not have to watch it. So the top line is Donald Trump's still a liar. Can we. A bigger liar than ever, I think. I think we can say that we have he is really outdoing himself with lies. So, you know, we America, he's he's back. Lying is back. George Conway, why do you hate America? Yeah, I don't hate America. I just hate lies. We cannot stand lies. I hope you'll come back. I will. But I'm never watching another one of these speeches. I can't. Congressman Robert Garcia represents California's 42nd congressional district and is the ranking member on oversight. Welcome. Welcome, Congressman Garcia. Hey, Molly. Good to hear you. So we're deep in this Epstein file stuff. What do we have so far and what are we waiting for? Like News Channel 4, the UK channel, said that there's only 4% of the files that have been released. But I don't think that's right. Tell us what you think from what you've read and what you've seen that's out there. Yeah, I mean, look, it's hard to know an exact number. But we, our oversight team, our best estimate right now is that over half of the files, and remember, files are also artifacts, photos, videos, it's data, right? But we think that a little over half of all of the Epstein files are still in the possession of the DOJ and have not been released to the Congress or the public. So you're talking the majority of what is in the hands of the DOJ is not public. And when you think about just the magnitude of that, it just goes to show you that this is really a cover up. This is a Trump, Pam Bondi directed cover up. They don't want the truth out. They're protecting, obviously, powerful men who they're protecting pedophiles or protecting criminals. And we're not going to stop till we get that truth. So Marjorie Taylor Greene, who was in the House until a few months ago, not even months, weeks, was told by Trump the reason he didn't want to release the files was because it could hurt some of his friends. You think that's accurate? I think it's very accurate. I mean, if you think just about some of the consequences of the last few weeks, I mean, you're starting to see some accountability happen, certainly around the world. Right. I mean, look what's happening now with Mendelssohn and the former prince. And here in the U.S., you're beginning to see some folks step down from the positions and be removed from their boards. And and that's appropriate. And I'm glad that that is beginning to happen. But we know that those that were deeply connected with Epstein and those that actually did the abuse themselves, those men continue to be protected. Those we know to be some of the most powerful individuals, wealthy individuals. And those people, there have to be justice for the survivors. Now, look, we've begun to unravel some of that. We have some really strong leads in the investigation. But the truth is that we're not going to be able to get any sort of closure until we get the rest of the files. And the DOJ is required to give out those files. They may want to use the Epstein Transparency Act as an excuse for not releasing them. They can't do the same for the subpoena, which is why we did both. The subpoena doesn't include the interagency communication exemptions. It doesn't include the ongoing investigation exemptions. Yet they continue to defy both the subpoena and the Transparency Act. Talk to me about the redactions. Explain to me, because I know there was writing in the files about redactions and weren't they supposed to talk you through the redactions? And hasn't that not really happened because there were two sets of redactions? That's right. Look, this is essentially what we have now. The DOJ has not confirmed this to us, but we pretty much pieced together what's really happened. If we remember, months ago, there was reports at the FBI and they were doing all sorts of redactions, millions of pages of redactions to the files. And it was kind of came out of nowhere, that reporting. Well, what happens is it looks like now is the DOJ, basically what they are showing to Congress, their response to the law has been to essentially give us redacted pages. Then they've gone through a second set of redactions, redacted more. And so what we're getting, Congress, which is different than the public, is that second set of redactions that the FBI made to give to us. But what they received, what the DOJ actually received, were already redacted files by a different set of FBI agents that happened months ago. So if you could imagine, months ago, you had the full files, some group or team at the FBI redacts those files, then the law passes, then those redacted files get sent to the DOJ, to another department, and then they get redacted even more. And so when we asked the DOJ, well, why is this redaction still in place after viewing the quote unquote unredacted files, that's because that's the way they received them from the initial team. And so it's basically a layered approach the DOJ has taken. And that's, I think, part of part of the huge problem is we don't and even the DOJ contacts that are working with Congress, they're unable to explain why what they received prior to giving us files were already pre-redacted. So you won't be able to figure out what the names, those names. So, for example, like there's this unindicted co-conspirators list that was redacted and then there's some still redactions in it. You don't get to see the unredacted version of that list. We don't because it came to the DOJ already redacted by some other team. And so they can't explain why they're redacted either. And so, no, I mean, they're not following the law. And I think what, you know, what Pam Bondi will say is that, well, those are they're protecting victims and survivors. Well, we know that's total BS because they have literally posted the names of survivors and victims all all throughout the release. And addresses. And addresses. Yeah. I mean, look, I've told people this. This is the single largest cover up in American history. I call another one. I mean, this is I mean, Watergate is just is nothing compared to this. I mean, the amount of harm and terror that this has caused so many women and girls, I think, is so it's awful. It's sad. It's infuriating. It's all those things. So let's talk about one of the things you guys have done is even though you're not in the majority, you've been able to have interviews. I think it's been really great. I mean, there's no other word for it. So we had Pam Bondi. She was mad about the Dow, refused to answer any questions. Was that how you thought it would go? Were you disappointed? Is there anywhere else you can go with that? Look, I mean, first of all, I think all of us are pretty just upset and just furious at the way she responded to members of Congress asking real questions. I mean, she couldn't even turn and look at the survivors who were there in the room. I was pretty sick, you know, and I think that the level of disrespect was clear on display. But look, she's the key figure that has been delaying, trying to deflect attention, certainly leading this cover up for the president. And so it shouldn't come as no surprise that she's not going to give us any answers. I mean, this is the same attorney general that early on tried to say, oh, the files were released. And then she puts them out to a bunch of right wing influencers and then they were on her desk and then they weren't. And then the investigation was over. And now, look, the investigation just started. And we're just collecting all the critical information that we need now. And so, you know, Pam Bondi should be held in contempt. She should resign. She should be fired. She's been a horrible AG and she's done nothing but try to deflect us away from the White House when all signs and arrows point directly back to the Trump White House. Les Wexner, you did a deposition there. Just talk us through what happened there. It was really enlightening I think to see just the level of deception that was happening I mean first this is a man to be clear that provided more wealth and financial support to Jeffrey Epstein than any single other person. So the reason why there is the Epstein home in New York and the island and the plane is because of Wexner. He gave him hundreds of millions of dollars. He controlled even more in assets and stocks for Wexner. He had this power of attorney over Wexner's estate. He's someone that was the co-president with Wexner of a development community he built out in Ohio. He was intimately involved and spent considerable time with Epstein. And yet, Wexner wouldn't even admit that Epstein was even a friend of his. And so we won't even admit a friendship when you're signing birthday books signed your friend Leslie and you're sending tons of emails and communicating constantly and going to the island then you're just not going to be an honest witness at that point right you're just not going to be truthful and so it's hard to take anything he says seriously he basically claimed that he was duped and that Epstein was a con man he never saw abuse he doesn't know anything not credible not believable what was though really interesting. One is he said everything under oath. And so we have now an entire testimony and we have a lot of information that's coming in and financial information and other information that allows us to put together a case and especially build evidence as our investigation moves forward. And the second thing that was important is he also made it clear that even though he was the key central wealth manager supporter of Epstein's he provided this funding that the FBI and DOJ never even contacted him yeah you interviewed him so if they're not going to interview Les Wexner then essentially they made the choice to absolve everyone and turn their backs on the investigation so now nothing to me was more revealing from that interview than the clear understanding that our government chose to not investigate Epstein's crimes and turn their back. And so that to me was a critical moment. I asked Wexner that direct question about the FBI and the DOJ, and it was pretty hard to hear his response. I did want to ask you about that because I thought that was sort of shocking. Doesn't it seem like there's some criminal culpability here for the FBI. Yes. And in fact, that's one of the things that we're investigating. We don't understand why, you know, there's so... Look, if you look back, take, for example, Annie Maria Farmer and the case with the sisters. You look at the initial report that was made. In the 90s. In the 90s. And what happens there? The FBI and DOJ turn their back and choose not to investigate. If you look at what happened with Acosta and happened in Florida, what happens there? A case is put forward by the line prosecutor, yet the U.S. attorney chooses to turn their back and not move forward with real charges against against Epstein and Maxwell. If you look at now these other complaints that are happening, there are complaints about Donald Trump, we know, in the Epstein files. What are we beginning to see? That there's very little investigation and action. Les Wexner, he comes in and is financing essentially the crimes and the trafficking ring that Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell put together. What happens? He's not even interviewed by the DOJ and the FBI. So, you know, there's a pattern here. And I think it's important for us to note this pattern has existed not just under the Trump administration, but this is a pattern that has existed through multiple presidents, both Republican and Democrat. And so this is a complete failure of our government at the highest level by all presidents and all DOJs. And so I think it's fair to ask the question, why was the FBI protecting people? Were they being told not to investigate? Are these people so powerful that we're just looking the other way? Yeah. I think that's what's really sad to me. And yet really opens up so many more questions, which is why I think the government at the highest level is trying to deflect and stop this investigation. And, you know, if there is accountability to for the FBI who covered this up for whoever it was in the government who did that, then you will have more prosecution of domestic violence and sex trafficking and all of that stuff going forward because agents and, you know, prosecutors and judges and whoever else is involved in this will be afraid of being held responsible. Like it can be the kind of meaningful prosecution that can create a sea change. 100 percent. I think two things have really crystallized for me in the last few weeks. One is that this investigation is so large in scope. This is something that impacts the way this country views sexual abuse and the way this country views and is able to uplift the stories and the horrors that women and children, when they experience sexual abuse and rape and trafficking, what is our response as a nation going to look like? And how do we actually support those survivors? And so this is not just about Epstein. This is about our entire system of God and how we respond. Yeah. The second thing that has been really clear to me is that people early on, we would get, you and I have talked about this, we would get this response. Well, this isn't about our affordability crisis. You should move on to something else like this. You know, get on message. And I would be told this by other folks. We stuck on it because it's important. But at the same time, I've realized now that there is a link, right? The real link is that there is this class of people that are very wealthy. The same people with the power to transfer wealth from working class people to their own companies are the same people that are covering up for themselves because they're so powerful and they're abusing and raping women and children. And it's this class of people, this Epstein class that people have been talking about, that it is we've got to bring these people down. They feel invincible. They feel that they will continue to take from the government. They're going to take from working people. They're going to traffic women and girls because they have the power to do so. And it's all connected. And so I think it's our job at this moment to be very clear about that and to stop the manipulation of our government and our institutions by the wealthiest and most powerful people in this country. I also think Wexner is a major GOP donor in Ohio. And when I interviewed Maria Farmer, she talked about how the the reason that when she wanted to report some of this, they said, no, the sheriff is involved. The lower law enforcement people are involved. You can't, you know, it will get nowhere. And she describes calling 911 and 911 being like, we don't go to that house. I mean, that is certainly possible, right, in this scenario. Not only is it possible. Yeah. Wexner created that community. He basically founded this new Albany community. It was farmland. who was the co-president on the deed of the creation of new albany and the the association that created that community with wexner jeffrey epstein wexner made epstein the co-president of the creation of this whole community yet they weren't even friends molly according to wexner They had no real relationship, according to Wexner. And so he creates this community for the ultra wealthy in part to so he's able to commit, continue his crimes. And it was everything from whether it was law enforcement through the highest levels of government. Wexner is the richest man in Ohio. He's one of the single largest donors to Republicans in Ohio and across the country. And so, look, we have to be we have to be clear and honest about what's happening and be committed to staying on this investigation until there's justice. Unbelievable. I mean, I'm not surprised, but it's unbelievable. Talk to me about the New Mexico ranch, because from what I understand, we interviewed Raul Torres and he said, yes, that there had not been a search of that property and that he wasn't there at the time, but that they we were told that they were told that the FBI came to local and said, we're handling it and don't get involved. And then no one ever handled it. So can you talk about that? It's outrageous. I mean, I think the more that we're learning about the New Mexico property, the more questions we have. And we're starting to actually hear from survivors that were at the New Mexico property. And so that has been giving that's been producing a lot of information. I'm really proud of the New Mexico legislature for moving forward. And this is going to be, I think, very interesting to see what happens. And quite frankly, I would welcome. I think we're going to be getting some conversations with the governor's office in New York. and certainly even in the mayor, and I think, you know, Mayor Mondami and others, like I would love to see a similar effort in New York because at the end of the day, New York, New Mexico, Flora, these are the key locations where this all happened. And the government, the federal government is only going to get us so far. But with folks in New York that I know are as interested as we are in getting the truth, I think there could be a lot of a lot of support there at the state level. One last question. Howard Lutnick. I mean, unbelievable. The man the man should resign right now. I mean, we just also there's reports now that this business venture that Lutnick, of course, denied actually went on for years. Yeah. And Molly, I want to make sure folks listening understand this, because I think people are people are not getting this clearly. Lutnick says multiple times in interviews that he stopped talking to Jeffrey Epstein after 2005. That was just a flat out lie. Not only did he continue talking to him, but he goes and visits the island after. His wife communicates with him. He goes to business with him. He communicates with him multiple times. So this is an ongoing relationship that Lutnick, for whatever reason, thought we wouldn't find out about. And this man's our Commerce Secretary? Step down immediately. Congressman Garcia, thank you, thank you, thank you for joining us. Anytime. Thank you. And now your moment of fuckery. Jesse Cannon. Molly Jungfass, so one of the things that is most heartening is seeing how much trouble the Trump administration is getting in these, you know, gulags they're trying to buy for ICE. And we saw Kelly Ayotte, New Hampshire governor, was pretty friendly about it at first, got a lot of backlash. And guess what? She's backtracking. Yeah, you know, I want to talk about this because this is true with Trump. This is true with basically every politician you see is that if you guys push back, they stop. It is just wild. I mean, it just every time. I mean, remember, Trump was going to invade Greenland. Remember that? That was from season one of this fiasco. Actually, it was like from season three of this fiasco. So like if you push back, if you as the American people call their offices, like you have power. You think you don't, but you actually do. And push back. Tell them you don't want a people warehouse in your neighborhood. Like, just say no to death camps, team. Molly Jog Pass, just say no to death camps. Just say no to death camps. That's the look, man. Might be a slightly strange. Put it on a red and white hat. Yeah. Just say no to death camps. That's it for this episode of Fast Politics. Tune in every Monday, Wednesday, Thursday, and Saturday to hear the best minds in politics make sense of all this chaos. 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