Two Bear Attacks in Arkansas - The T&C November Animal Attack News Roundup

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Then I'm his younger brother, Jeff Larson, and we have our very nice, very loves everyone, Mike Smith with us. Big Mike. Big Mike. What's the word on the street? I've done a lot of self-evaluating ever. Ever since this nice, we'll call it nice gate. That's the oh, you always put gate onto the end of controversies. Yeah. I think you might be on to something, Jeff. I don't think I'm a very nice person. I wouldn't go the other way. I don't think you're like a dick, but that's not what I would use to describe. Yeah. No, it's just like every time we go out to eat, I always have to say something to the waiter about how I don't like the food. I have to send it. Oh, wait, no, that's actually you, isn't it, Jeff? No, but point taken. I'll tell a waiter if I didn't like my food. Yeah. I feel like I think you know, normalize it. Sometimes I respect that, you know, because I will just eat it and just be as quiet as a little mouse. But sometimes I think, I wish I had a knife. Don't ask me if I like my food. I have to just say yes, no matter what, better enough. Well, it's like your coworker coming into the office, me and like how you doing? It's like, well, I'm actually not doing very well, Bob. It's like, no, I just wanted to hear good, and then we can pretend like we don't work together anymore again. You know, yeah, I get it. You are paying for that food though. Yeah. It's harder money, Mike. I like that. I like that approach of flipping it. That was pretty good. You got me down in the muck with you with our live nurse. I'm the only nice one here. If I don't see a Reddit thread about, is Jeff a dick? I'm going to be real disappointed in our list. It's actually mean to service. Oh my gosh. Can't believe it. How you guys doing? Bob, that's a good question. Yeah. Mike, you look pale. I'm, yeah, I'm cosplaying as it goes. It's Halloween. We're recording on Halloween. It's going to be after Halloween when you guys hear this. But it's all like I'd get into the Halloween day. I don't know what's going on with my face right now. I'm like glowing white. Yeah. What's going on? No, Sfaratou vampir. We don't know. Whatever. You look great. That'll, Mike. Well, we've done a lot of recording this week because we're about to go to Costa Rica. What animal do you guys want to see? What would you want to see the most in Costa Rica? That's like potential, you know. Kit, kits off. I mean, a ketsol. We're splinic. Ketsol. Yeah. Splendid. Ketsol. All right. I mean, Jaguar. Yeah, Mike. Give me a list of what we might see down there. I don't really know what I mean on the table. Like likely is a lot of birds, some cool amphibians and reptiles. Like I know you kind of like those red eye tree frogs. Oh, I think that's one that we could probably see. That would be sweet. The one that I'm kind of hoping for in like a very probable way is a kill build to can, which is a really cool looking tocan with a bright yellow and green bill. So that's kind of I'm setting my expectations in a reasonable spot because a Jaguar or like a Puma or something's pretty pretty unlikely. You said it's the second easiest place to see Jaguars. Yeah, but like outside of the Punt and all, everywhere's really hard to see Jaguars. You said there's more Jaguars in mountain light. There are, but they're still really hard to see. Get your story together. And we're not that we're not there's one place in Costa Rica where they've gotten pretty good at eating sea turtles. And I think if you spent enough time there, you have decent chances to sing a Jaguar. We're not going there. So I'm really excited to see a sloth. Never seen the sloth before. Hopefully we see one. Yeah, I don't think it's giving on it. Yeah, I think it's getting. Okay, you ever see that movie seven? Yeah. Yeah. That's a big flaw. You don't want to see that kind of sloth in my opinion. Yeah. Just better. Maybe I don't know. Yeah, it doesn't seem bad. If you had like a TV and some snacks, sure. Maybe if you're like a detective going around, just not having a whole lot of success. Like you're not bringing a whole lot of cases or solving anything. If you walk into a room and see a sloth, you're like finally, finally I got something to investigate here, right? You might be a little excited. Or would you still be kind of bummed out? Well, I mean, I'm not a detective. So I feel like that doesn't work for me. You're asking like how I would feel. Yeah. Oh, if I was just like a different person. Yeah, just like, yeah, use your imagination a little bit. And he just saw a sloth. No, a person like in the movie seven. Like if I walked into the sloth room in seven, maybe I'd be excited. I think Mike say, yeah, right. If I had to detect those detectives are kind of like, well, this is like your supervisor every day. It's like, what are you doing out there? Wes? We need we need to there's mergers happening. You haven't you haven't solved a case in 10 years. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's kind of like as a bearbile, just you know, when when something kind of messed up happens, it is kind of exciting. So I did. I just put it on X that Twitter app. Yeah. And they saw it for me, dude. Sure. There's some real detectives on there. Yeah. They're real good at getting that rock. How to do it? Yeah. Well, it is our news episode. We are summing up the news from the last like month and a half. It's been quite a bit actually. There's been some pretty interesting stories that we got sent to lot. And thank you, everyone for sending us stories. Yeah. Thank you to our intern brand for organizing them. Brand new the best. Thank you. Yeah. And thank you, Bill, for editing this. Hopefully, if you're making us busy with your other job, your fired bill fired. He's not. All right. Anyway, yeah, we've got some interesting stories. Do you guys mind if I start? I think I'm just going to lead with the one that we probably got sent the most this month. I mind, but I'll allow. All right. I'll wait then. I don't have to go first if you mind. You always goes first. It's not worth it to me. It's fine. Yeah. All right. Yeah. I do love going first. Well, this is like the server type thing again. You asked. Yeah. Yeah. You know, don't fault me because you asked. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, let's stop asking. I just want you to discount it 50%. Okay. That's what I'm saying. All right. Well, you'll have to hear this story then. And if it's bad, you can get mad at me for going first. This is the story of not one, but two black bear attacks that happened over the last two months in a very unexpected place. So unless you were alive in 1892, something happened in Arkansas over the last couple months that was a first for you. And then it happened again, which is what I just said. Two people in Arkansas were killed in black bear attacks one in September. And then one, the very end of September and early October. They're not totally sure what day it happened. These attacks involved two different bears in two different counties. So in a way, it's kind of like a night of the grizzly situation, but a little bit less extreme. And we're going to talk a little bit about why this might have happened. But again, just to reiterate this, this is the first fatal black bear attack since 1892. And two of them happened within a span of a couple weeks. Yeah. The first one was on September 3rd when Vernon Patton was in Mulberry Mountain, Arkansas, which is a great name. Arkansas, you do such a good job naming things. And when you say that, you mean in Arkansas, right? I don't think he said that. Yeah. The first fatal black bear attack in Arkansas. I think I said that, but I could, I could be wrong. I think people probably inferred it, but I just want to make sure it's clear. Okay. Play it back, Bill. See who's right. Who's wrong? So unless you were alive in 1892, something happened in Arkansas over the last couple months that was a first for you. And then it happened again, which is what I just said. Two people in Arkansas were killed in black bear attacks. Put a little prices right. Thanks. Two by noise. Thanks. Well, you're you're hired again. Yeah. If I brought the police to the wall. Well, that was good. That was really good. Thanks. I've been practicing. All right. So Vernon Patton's in Mulberry Mountain, Arkansas. He's spreading some gravel near his residence. This is a 72 year old man. And a 70 pound sub adult black bear emerged from the nearby woods and attacked him. Jeff, do you remember there was a point in our study where we had put out some spring traps. We caught a bear in a snare. And rather than fully sedate it, we just half sedated it and released it from the snare by hand and kind of moved it in our arms. Do you remember that? Yes, sir. With Clint. That bear was about 70 pounds when we did that. So this isn't like a huge bear by any means. This is a pretty small black bear. Not tiny. Not tiny. Not tiny and definitely still capable of a lot as what we're about to learn. So his adult son Vernon's adult son was coming by to check on his dad. And he found him actually being actively attacked by this bear, which is God is just being absolutely horrific thing to stumble on. He gets out of his car or whatever he was in to come check on his dad. He throws rocks at the bear. And as he's doing this, this bear actually charges him as well, which again for such a small bear that's it's pretty weird behavior. And then it runs off into the woods. Not long after they would they would have emergency personnel and law enforcement officials and wildlife officials come. They saw the bear. They managed to get it up a tree and they shot it in the tree. So very confident they got the right one. Patton had extensive wounds to his head, his arms. He was airlifted to a regional hospital where doctors immediately operated on him. Did their best to save his life. He spent roughly 10 days in the hospital, but unfortunately ultimately his injuries were too severe for him to recover from and he did die in the hospital. His family's obviously still grieving. This just happened and mourning the loss of their partner, their dad and their grandfather. So this was really traumatic for them. And for the state of Arkansas as a whole, this was like unprecedented, you know, to hear about a black bear killing someone. And the Ozarks in Arkansas are pretty good black bear habitat. From my research, there's probably around 5,000 black bears in Arkansas. Most of them are in the Ozarks. So this isn't uncommon to see black bears there, but they just hadn't had any big issues. So everyone's kind of struggling to make sense of this. And then lightning strikes again in early October. A 60 year old man named Max Thomas was camping alone in the popular Sam's Throne campground in North Central Arkansas when he failed to return home and his concerned family called authorities in the area. And a sheriff's deputy went to the empty campsite. And when he got there, he noticed signs of a struggle. He followed those signs into the brush nearby this campsite and right there he found the body of the man not far from the campsite. And he said there were signs of a large carnivore attack and subsequent feeding. So authorities learned that he had texted a photo of a bear to his family on the morning of September 30th while he was camping. So they pretty much immediately assumed that this had been a bear attack. Can you guys guess what other animals would maybe be in play in Arkansas? Mountain nine. So that's a good one. That was where my mind went first to. But really Arkansas only has like the occasional transient mountain line that passes through. They don't have a breeding population. But they have been spotted there, especially recently. So it could have been coyotes. The other one I thought of might you have any others. I was just going to guess some canine canine like wolf coyote. Yeah, honestly like not a jaguar, but outside of the if one escaped from Missouri or something. Well, you're coming in from Mexico. Yeah, but not all the way up to Arkansas. Maybe the other thing that I thought it could have been is just a dog, you know, a feral dog. Sure. Unfortunately, like you guys have probably run into this too. When we're doing these news episodes and I start searching for animal attack stories, it's like 75% dog attack stories and the rest are wild animals. There's a lot of dogs out there. So they do think this was a bear, though, based on the fact that he'd been fed on that he'd sent this photo and then subsequent analysis of of his remains confirmed that hypothesis. So a hunt was conducted texting with the photo like, what if this thing just kills me? I don't think so. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think he said anything like that, but that would be pretty crazy if he had. That's for sure. A hunt was conducted for the responsible bear and a male black bear was killed. Based on the photo, they'd seen a large male bear that killed a large male bear on October 6. But a DNA, and you know what, this is, it's not funny, but it's interesting. As I was reading this, I thought there's a very good chance they didn't get the right bear. They actually did an analysis and realized that this was probably not the right bear based on DNA. Yeah. So it's probably still large. I think you got to keep these bears alive and interrogate them. That's how I do this. A bear line up and call something. Ask questions first. The death penalty, especially so quick. Yeah. Right. I do. Yeah. Green mile bears are people too. I think I know. No, I didn't do it. This is a bear is sharp. This a bear you should remove from the population without a doubt. We've talked about this a lot on the show, but not only is there a chance that someone else is going to get hurt, but it's a big liability for the state because if they leave it and people know they'll have to and someone else does get hurt, there's a lot of legal precedent to sue and that costs the wild by agency. It's a lot of money that they could be putting into a much better things. 20 pounds on eligible games. Search midnight casino or download the midnight app today. Midnight casino done better. You decide. New customers only. Restrictions and TNCs apply. 18 plus Begumbleaware.org. Looking for a small city with a big heart and even bigger personality. 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So I think the lesson here is that even though these kind of fatal attacks are very rare, black bears are more than capable of killing a human, even a small black bear like that 70 pounder, and they're really opportunistic animals. So if you're camping or recreating in black bear country, just makes a lot of sense for you to have your way out of a negative encounter. So a deterrent, make sure you're doing good food storage. I think part of the problem, people just to kind of wrap this up, I think people are going to say why did these both happen at the same time. I kind of just think it was a coincidence. There could have been like a natural crop that failed or something. Maybe these bears were really hungry, but I do think in these states where they've gone so long without any problems, people have gotten a little complacent often and they kind of don't think that their bears are as dangerous and maybe aren't as educated about the dangers and about deterrent and about food storage and all of that. So it could just be that that was a terrible coincidence that there was two at once. Yeah, that's awful. Yeah, yeah, tough. Yeah, you don't really think Arkansas for animal attacks normally. You sure don't. Yeah, they got some gators there, but not in this black bear state. Bill Clinton was born there, I think. That's what I think about. Rays back. And then that gets thinking about Monica Lewinsky. That's for us. You just get going down a weird path if you start thinking about Arkansas too much. Blue dress is sure to. Yeah, I have a question. And it's not that I just out of curiosity and it's not like I feel like anything should or anyone should be held accountable for this, but is there any system in place that holds organizations or people accountable for maybe getting the wrong bear in a scenario like this or is that just kind of like part of the it goes with the territory kind of thing. Yeah, it's like again, where they're not an animal that's threatened or that like really needs an extra level of protection. They don't like like in Yellowstone, for example, if we had had a grizzly bear mall, someone or something and we caught a grizzly bear that we thought might be responsible. I this didn't happen to me while I was there, but I know they're their precedent is they would actually test the bear in a trap like get a DNA sample have the bear in like a holding facility test it. And if it wasn't the responsible bear, they would re-release it into the wild. They wouldn't kill it until they knew, but with a black bear, I think they can be a little bit more fast and loose and sometimes and this is unfortunate for the animals, but sometimes people just need to hear that something is being done, you know. And when they hear that a bear was killed, it's going to give them some peace of mind. I'm very nice to my servers. I need to get that out. I don't think I said that. There's been a few times where I've got the wrong order or like a very bad thing where I told them, but I wasn't like mad. I just let them know. You were slamming your fist on the table. I'm the only one five allegations. Yeah, we'll find one for you. Yeah, we'll get you a little sticky with something. I can go next unless you want to Mike. I'll go next, actually. Are you sure you want to ask? Because I, no, you go for it, Jeff. I nominate Jeff and not Wes. Okay. So this one, I'm actually, I'm going to do two because this first one, I think it might end up being better as a future main episode. It's a little fresh right now, but I just think it's a good, I like when Wes does grizzly bear like bear spray versus gun type stories. And I think this would work well with that, but a man in British Columbia had a really bad encounter with a grizzly bear as a while he was hunting on October 7th. And he's a 63 year old named Joe Pendry. And he was out hunting. A grizzly bear charged him. He shot it in the leg. And the bear still mauled him had his head in its mouth. God, I'm pretty bad. And he was kind of a inspirational story of his recovery, but or recovery. But then he ended up passing away a couple days ago. Blood clot. So, but like I said, I do think we'll probably want to talk about this one more. Okay. Future date. He's a boxer too. And he broke his hand punch in the bear. No, but that's two times. Yeah. But anyways, we, I think, I just think it's a good one to revisit later on when it's not so fresh with like more detail. Okay. Was that blood clot? I know. I know. Again, we're going to be talking about this. He has a lot of caused by was that a byproduct? It was like he had to have so many surgeries from the bear encounter. Oh, okay. He got blood clot. Yeah. Maybe that's so my mom died from pulmonary embolism. Maybe was a bear. It could depend. We're not ruling anything. Yeah. It was like a, well, yeah, I don't want to speculate too much out of respect for her. It's Halloween. We could get it. We'll take it and ask her maybe it was from a surgery she had or something. Yeah. Like post surgical complications. So yeah. Yeah. So I don't know what that for surgery was a result of me. Yeah. We should be malted by a bear before that. Yeah. I'm going to start asking around. Yeah. We are detectives. This next story I can confidently say was just one big old misunderstanding. Okay. All right. Can't wait. So in Portland, Oregon, a nine year old child on October 30th, this came out, but it's like a week before that. So in October 20th, he was playing with his three year old brother in their yard, just like in their yard playing hide and seek. Right? Yeah. So when you're playing hide and seek, normally there's a safe zone, right? Even it when they find you, you can run to the safe zone and then you win. You guys play it that way. I never knew rules that for me. That's how I always played it. Okay. The person who's seeking looks for you and they have to tag you before you get to like the safe zone, which is where they start. I see. So I can only assume this coyote played by my same rules because this coyote saw the two children playing hide and seek in the yard and he found one of them and started chasing them. And I mean, coyotes can't really touch with their arms very well. So he bites them on the foot. Right? And you know, coyotes, they got pretty sharp teeth. So this nine year old had to go to hospital because foot checked out and this coyote, I think one the game of hide and seek still, but that's coyotes bewiling for this week. Do we know where the three year old is yet? He might still be hiding. Might stay just like he said he won. That's true. The coyote has to get balls of them. Yeah. Exactly. Right. It's kind of embarrassing that your little three year old brother had a better hiding spot than you. If a coyote found you found you and not him, right? Unless like the three year old was seeking. They are good. They're really good at hiding in tiny spaces. I just played hide and seek with my three year old niece and she was like fitting in stuff for us just like, oh my gosh, I can't believe she was playing that. So they're pretty good at hiding actually. That's true. Yeah. Yeah. I was in the coyotes too. Yeah. These kids they even know there's a coyote play and then tell that bit one there. That's such a good strategy. So yeah, I think you know, he saw the coyote saw the kids play and just thought it around. Yeah. Sure. Get in on that. I can confidently say that. I don't know. I don't know if you can, but I think growing up we played hide and seek like too many times. We played a lot because dark is where we didn't have like a big house and we only played in the basement and there's just like eight spots that you chose from every time. Just go around. But we would also like block out any source of light. So it was just pitch black. And then we just like run into each other and stuff. There's times I would just like lay on the floor like out in the open, but it's so dark. Yeah. And that is how we played. Huh. If you got to the stairs, you were safe. Yeah. So I always tried to hide close to the stairs. That's right. And if everyone got there, then the person had to count again. Yeah. Yeah. That is a fun way to play. Nice. We should play that next time we go up to your parents. But we do coyote. Yeah. With the you have to go to our old house. But yeah, formally, you are invited coyote. Just putting that out there in case he's listening. I'll go. I'm not going to ask. I'm going. Okay. So this happened September 23rd is when this was reported through ABC News. Plus several other sources. But it's looking bad in California, guys. You heard about this? No. The sea line. This is the venomous snake bite thing, the dog training. Oh, if only that'd be so much better than this. Well, have you seen San Andreas? Things can go real bad for California. Add it more. Pigeon Ali. Pigeon Ali really just given his best, you know, like not not a movie that deserves his talents, but he gave it his best. I can't. The only reason I watched that movie is because I saw Carlo Gugino's in it and I was like, I got to watch this. Yeah. Well, it's not a venomous snake, not anything like that. It's a squirrel that's been reported as having attacked at least five people in the Bay Area over the past few weeks. Wow. And it's been biting and scratching some of these people so badly. At least two of them have had to go to the emergency room, which is pretty crazy. It's crazy. But also like if you think about, you know, if you get attacked by a wild animal, you're probably going to want to go get it checked out by somebody. But yeah, this squirrel is getting in some pretty good doing some good damage to some of these people. So one of these victims not going to rule out hide and seek in this story. Squirrel could be real good at hiding. It could be really good at hide and seek. I mean, it's been training its whole life. Hiding those nuts. Yeah. Yeah. So one of the victims, her name was Isabel Campoy. Isabel Campoy. She said the squirrel launched itself at her face while she was strolling around the Bay Area, the city of Lucas Valley last week in the Bay Area, left her with bruises and deep bloody gashes across her forearm. Quote. She almost killed me. Isabel said, jeez. I was full of blood and I ran to the emergency room. And I'm not going to I'm not trying to downplay because in the moment, you play kind of a freaked out. Yeah. She would probably had she gotten killed by a squirrel, like as a main story. Yeah. For sure. Right. Yeah. But the squirrel, it's been going after all kinds of members of the neighborhood. Another her name was Joan Hebblich. She was out on just a morning stroll when she said it jumped out of nowhere and latched onto her leg and started just going to town on it. And it was like vertical. So the tail was coming up towards her chest in her face and just freaked her out really bad. The story, it's interesting in conjunction with another study that I saw was performed last year. And this is kind of new information to scientists, I guess, about it was a study performed by the University of Wisconsin, O'Clair and the use a joint study by them in the University of California. And it was observing squirrels were being a lot more flexible in their diet than they were previously assumed to be, not just nuts or like more me. Or Biberus. But yeah, they're omnivorous if they were pushed to, you know, like a need to find mostly voles they were going after. Not that it's so weird if you're just watching a deer and you just see it fall over and you're like, huh, and then a little squirrel running all over it. Right. Mouth that can kill these old ladies. But anyway, I mean, it is, it's interesting. It's not like this study wasn't like these squirrels are going to go after humans and eat their meat or anything, but it is. It's just an interesting development for squirrels in this part of California that's like, oh, wow, these squirrels are eating meat. And now they're going after humans. I'm not saying I'm not, I'm just saying, I'm not saying it's squirrels sometimes. Yeah, that's really, whoa, yeah, wow, why? Uh, just like if they're just like, happen to have the opportunity, sometimes they'll do it. It's kind of like, do they chase them down? No, it's more like if like, they stumbled on one that they were able to catch, they would eat it, or if like one was hurt or something, you kind of, that's how it's always weird when you see these animals that you don't think should eat meat and they do. And you realize it's really off-putting, but then it also, you realize like how much it is just about getting calories. You know, it's not so much about like taste or anything. And obviously they're biome, they're gut biome and everything is only prepared for certain things. But most of these animals will eat meat if they get the chance. That's super interesting. Yeah, yeah. Uh, Xavier Legett on the Carolina Panthers. Yeah. He'll be about squirrels. Hilly squirrels. Yeah. Yeah. I'd probably eat a squirrel. If I like went to someone's house and they're like, Hey, we're eating squirrel tonight, I'd be like, All right, I guess we're eating squirrels tonight, you know? Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Well, the squirrels still at large last I've heard, I tried to find any updates, but yeah, I loved, I saw a quick headline from this story and they had like, like a bulletin thing that they were posting around the neighborhood. And it's this photo of the squirrel like jumping at the camera and it like in big red letters, this squirrel attack. Yeah, this is not a joke. Yeah. Big banner. Yeah, it's good. We'll have to post it. Mike, on a scale, I wanted to 10, how big of a survivor fan are you? The show? I've never watched a single episode. I don't know. Maybe I would like it, but I think I'd have to say zero. Yeah. Or would that be a five? Are you neutral or are you against it? I think at my baseline, I'm a little negative towards reality TV in general. So I'll say like a three. Okay. Cool. We got a big fight once over if five is neutral or not, we won't rehash that here. But no, we won't. Anyway, Jeff, how about you? What, where would you say you are on zero to 10? Probably eight. Yeah. I'd say I'm right around there to eight or nine. I actually didn't, I watched it the first few seasons with my parents growing up. Then I stopped for a very long time and then right around the pandemic, I really got into it again. And now I've watched pretty much all the seasons. I've watched a lot of the Australian seasons, which it's a better show. Just going to come out and say it. But something putting your foot on the on the important issues, West is drawing definitive line in the it's a debate. You know, sure. Something interesting happened in survivor last two, like a week and a half ago. And it was something that probably is never maybe two weeks ago. It probably never happened before on the show. And it was an animal attack. So there's a contestant. His name is Jake Latimer. And he's from Winnipeg, Canada. He was relaxing on the edge of the water on the survivor island, which is in Fiji, when suddenly a yellow lip sea crate bit his foot. Now how much do either of you know about this particular snake? They're also called banded sea crates. Like one to 10. Now how much do you know about it? Right. Not a numerical value of what you know. One to 10, I know about like a five about him. Okay. Yeah. Neutral. I would say a 10 because I know about them. They exist out there. So yeah, you know, like a yes or no binary. All right. Basically, this is a type of sea snake, but it's one that you find more near the coast around coral reefs. That sort of thing. And they are highly venomous. They're in the Alapid family, which puts them in the same family as like cobras and coral snakes. Some of the more venomous snakes in the world. And they too have a really potent neurotoxin. The difference between them and those other snakes, well, coral snakes are somewhat similar is that you really have to push these snakes to get bit by them. You have to harass them usually or do something to them to where they'll come up and bite you. Now we don't know exactly if this guy pushed them or not, but he claims he was just sitting on the side of the water when suddenly a snake bit his foot. Their front fang snakes with small front flanks fangs. And he said that it latched onto his foot. He ran up to tell some of the other survivors that and people just like came out of the jungle from the production team. Like every was all hands on deck. And they're like, wait, what happened? And he told them exactly what had happened and what type of snake. And they're like, okay, we have to get you out of here immediately. And then some of the other survivors, they have this booklet, I guess, in camp that shows like potentially dangerous animals. And one of them opened it to that page and it says like highly venomous. And they all got pretty worried. Yeah. And I was really curious what was going to happen. Because I like, he was like, oh, if he got invented, he's probably going to die. Seems like an easy person to vote out. Yeah. Well, we'll get to that. And he was playing a pretty good game actually, but he gets on the boat. He starts having a problem breathing. You see him like spitting a lot and I'm thinking, oh, he's, you got like a real bite. And they take him in and I guess on the way to the island where they have their kind of headquarters with all the staff and medical and whatnot, they had lost contact. And so when they get into that dock, you hear someone from the dock yell, is he breathing? Is he alive? And because they lost contact, they just assumed he might be dead. And when he got there, he was still walking and everything. And so at that point, I'm thinking, okay, there's a decent chance this is a dry bite. And sure enough, it was the symptoms that he was having were probably mostly from shock and anxiety. And also like they're starving themselves out on this island. So I'm sure there's other physiological stuff happening, but they treat him. Yeah, they had a control. Yeah. For sure. They treat him for a snake bite. They realize it's probably a dry bite. And they actually end up sending him home because they just figured that had been too much of a shock on his system. And they couldn't justify putting him back into the game. What? He's probably mad about that, right? I would imagine so I would be so mad if I got sent home for a dry bite. But I will say the silver lining is he had a baby that was due to be born. And he was really bummed that he was going to miss his like his first kids birth while he was in survivor. And he made it back 48 hours before his kid was born. So we got to be there for his son, or I don't know if it was a son or daughter for his kids birth. So right. Pretty crazy moment in reality TV though, honestly like that. Yeah. A venomous snake bite and not just any snake like this is a snake. So I did a little diving into the snake's history and they really hardly ever bite people. But there was a guy in 2018 off the coast of Northeastern Australia, fishermen who pulled one up in a net and was trying to free it from the net and got bit and was in benemated. And he died before any kind of help could get to him. That would have been crazy for survivor. Someone died. It probably would have ended the season. Someone finally did. Well, imagine to like having to stay there after that. Right. Like, oh, hey, by the way, Jake, Jake Skahn and everyone's like, oh, you voted a lot. Even like now he's dead. Scary. It's like, man, I'd be so much more scared. Yeah, they did. They talked about that on the show. Jeff was Jeff Probe's. The host was like, just so you guys know, I've talked to everyone. No one's even ever heard of this happening before. None of the locals have ever heard of this happening before. This was like such a freak bite. And it is like for one just to swim up and bite someone's foot like that is really, really strange. So it is curious to me though that on a show called survivor, everyone just survives. Yeah, it'd be nice if one guy finally died, right? Yeah, it would make the name set more like make more sense. Yeah, exactly. Like the show alone, they're alone. Yeah, survivors. They survive, but they, like, you would think someone wouldn't survive. I wonder if they would have still aired the season if he died. I bet they would have scrapped it. That's an interesting. Just give them all a million dollars. Yeah. So my dad when he was swimming in college, he got invited to the Olympic trials, and he decided to not go because he wanted to stay home for the birth of my oldest brother, like their first child. You think that's the right move? No. I don't think so either. Yeah. I think, you know, I think if your wife is like, I need you there, then it's the right move. But if she was like, no, I don't care. Do whatever you want, then like go. I don't know. Well, ask my mom how she was, yeah, where's that Ouija board? Yeah. My God, that's your one question. She's like, you get one question. No, I think he was, he was mostly just like, well, I wasn't going to make it anyway, but it's like, yeah, I don't know. It'd be fun to go on at least try. Yeah, but let's just do our one of our categories right now. What's your favorite all-time moment in survivor? Mine, I think it was Micronesia, but it's there was so that I'm just going to set the stage. I don't remember their names even. I remember one of their names was Pavardi, but in Amanda too. But there was like three women, three or four women, and there was a guy that was left too. And he had won the immunity necklace. And there was like, not that many players left. So if he had just like gone through like, you're supposed to, if you win the immunity necklace, you're not allowed to be voted out. And they went to like the tribal council. And the girls convinced him to give it up, like to give it to one of them because they promised him they wouldn't vote him out. And it's like not something you should ever even consider doing. And he gave it away at tribal council. And they immediately voted him out. They got him. Oh, yeah. That's great. It was so crazy and shocking that it's yeah, that's my all time. What did he do when he got voted out? Yeah, I mean, he was just thought he was the, he was like, I am so dumb. I can't believe I did that. Yeah. Did he like get mad at the girls or did he say like, no, I think he, I think he didn't say nice job, but I think he just like was like, that was dumb. I should not even consider that. Yeah. I really like early survivor a lot. Season one, I like in the final thing, they used to ask just the craziest question. And one of the ladies was like, if you were in the desert about to die from thirst, I would not give you my water to let the girl who ended up winning. Yeah. Like that's so bad. They took it so seriously. And then yeah, my favorite guy ever was Boston Rob. So his first season where he like played it perfectly. And then as him and he, he started dating Amber on the show. And like is between them and the end. And he proposes to her. Yeah. And it's like, okay, so they. Yeah. Again, I've never really watched a full episode of the show, but I do remember it was the first season with the naked guy, right? That's Richard. Our hold like third or fourth grade class whenever that was airing was just in an opera because this guy was naked. Well, he's like and so I was caught as sharp with his bare hands, dude. That was it. Yeah, that was one of his other seasons, but I think it was the first season. It wasn't. It was like season three or four, I think. But I'm sure it wasn't back after winning season one in season three or four. They brought him back. I've seen it. Yeah. I know it did, but there's a while later. Yeah. It I remember the scene because he pulls the shark out and then it bites him on the arm actually. So there has been another round of attack. Yeah. Hey, but I do. If you want to put down some money, I'll put down some money, but I'm positive. I love this one. Oh, okay. Never mind then. Okay. So you shouldn't just said you're positive. I know. I just got some money. Yeah. Yeah. Finestin there. You usually don't care if I say I'm positive is why I said that. Usually you'll say it a lot. I know. Yeah. So I don't need to be responsible of that. You overused it. The bed that it's cheating. No, I'm not that confident. Yeah. But what was I going to say? Oh, yeah. I think Richard got arrested too because he won and then he takes a taxes. Yeah. Yeah. That's one thing that like I just if I hear about like when Wesley Snipes is going through the tax evasion thing, I was just not bothered in the least by it. It's like, I don't care that. Yeah. Good for him. Good for this. Good try. Guy and California, one like the biggest lottery ever and is two billion and after taxes, he ended up with like 400 million. Yeah. Crazy. And everyone's like, he's the only billionaire paying appropriate taxes. That's true. Well, I got one. Okay. I'll just keep following. What you did a bear. I did a bear. You did snake out of a snake. All right. So this is a pygmy moga snake. You ever heard of those? No. Vanimous snake in Australia. High. Cool. I think it was a pygmy moga snake. It could be wrong. The article actually never reported what type of snake it was, but then it had a picture of a pygmy moga snake. I assume that's what it was. And I looked at a few articles that it never said. But in the Northern territory in Australia, I mean, we went to Australia. A lot of people walk around barefoot in Australia. It's a very clean country, you know, not much glass on the ground to keep it clean. And a lot of people walk around barefoot. So this 41 year old woman, she liked to walk around barefoot in her suburban neighborhood, right? Sure. She's walking around and she steps on a pygmy moga snake. I think it looks a lot like an inland type. Okay. So she steps on this little snake looks like an inland type. And it looks like a venom, like it could be venomous. So first thing you would do is like see if you got bit or not, right? So she starts checking her foot for any signs of blood or teeth marks or anything. And she can't find like a single scrape, a single like thing on her foot says she thinks she just stepped on a snake, nothing happened. Yeah. So 10 minutes later, she goes to her country club and she asked her worker who asked not to be or she asked a worker who asked not to be named to help her check her feet for bite marks and told them the story, right? And the worker said she had mentioned she stepped on snake. Maybe she had gotten bitten. There's no blood, no marks, nothing. Then we again asked, are you okay? Are you feeling any different? Did you feel it by you? And she said she didn't 20 minutes after signing it at the club, the woman collapsed. Wow. They started giving her CPR. They called for help. And she wasn't able to like be resuscitated. And she ended up dying. So yeah, pretty crazy. I don't know. Like I feel like out of caution, you should just there, it's called triple zero. Yeah. But like you should, if you step on a snake in Australia, you should make the call. Especially if you can identify it without a doubt, call someone. Yeah. I just looked them up. They're in another, they're another elapid snake. So the same family is cobras and typans and those sea crates and everything like highly venomous snakes. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, and I'm not I'm not confirming that that was the type of snake it was because that like I said, unfortunately, I can't find an article. I think I don't know if they really know because like she didn't take a picture. She didn't have the snake. So yeah, it'd probably be pretty hard to tell. But yeah, pretty, I don't know. I you should for sure call for help. I on the other hand, like if I felt pretty confident, I wasn't bitten, I could like see where my brain would kind of go the same way as hers did. Like I'll just go to a public place. They'll be able to like get me help if I need it and yeah, make sure I don't start feeling any symptoms type of thing, you know, especially here. I don't know how their healthcare system works. But like in the US, I do everything I can to avoid calling emergency services because it's like, oh, I want to be in debt for the next 20 years. You know, so yeah, I don't feel confident. Even inside my own home, walking around without socks on at least. Really? I just love going barefoot walking around barefoot is just the scariest proposition to me. Huh. Every step is scary. Yeah. Like at a pool, it's the fewer steps I have to take to get into the water the better. I was just always in mindful of stepping on something like a leg. Yeah. I like going barefoot like a bomb. That would suck. It's suck, dude. Unless you have shoes right or socks like steel to boots. The socks bred to add the spider silk. That's a subscriber. Subscribe, Roanley joke. Yeah. That's why I have. Yeah, I also have a story. What is that? That's a coincidence. That's crazy. So it's always the guys you expect the least, right? Which I actually don't believe most medium expect from right. I think that is actually pretty good. Okay. Well, this was reported October 30th of this year by Yahoo News. This is where I got most of this info from recently. Vincent Swimmers in the Marathi Beach in Greece at the Marathi Beach in Greece who've been reporting an incident that raised a few eyebrows from the locals. Since it's not every day that you hear about a sea turtle biting someone so badly that they feel like they might faint. Right? Well, at least not in my world. It's in Greece. They're going to be like really thick beautiful eyebrows that are getting raised too. I know. Just nice. Is that true? I'd kill for that. You ever seen a kind of eyebrows, my aggression eyebrow? Oh, I can't. No. Sometimes I do I get remarks on my eyebrows and it's like you guys you haven't seen anything yet. Go to Greece is what I'm always saying back to them. Sure. So wait, they said it was a what a turtle sea turtle. Okay. Like I think just a green sea turtle. According to Zarp a news, the woman who was bit was in the show. It's so great. It's awesome. Zarp a Zarp a news. She was in the shallows just a few feet off the beach just in a very shallow part of the ocean when she was attacked and bitten by the turtle sustaining injuries on her, quote, bottom. Oh, her bum? Her bum. So here's the thing though. So half of the articles called it her rump and half of them called them her thigh. And I just wanted you guys, what's the where do you differentiate on those two things? Is it the same thing to you? For me, it's not once the bubble of the butt comes out. It's rump. Right. Yeah. I think anything below that's thigh. Yeah. And ass. Ass is awesome. Ass and rump are the same. Yeah, they're the same. Unless you're eating ass like this turtle. Right. Yeah. This turtle is eating ass. But like literally, yeah. But butt is legs. We've established. But is sure, but is legs. Yeah. We talked about that before. But it's legs. So the woman was stuff though. Like calf is legs, thigh legs. Would you consider feet legs? Feet is legs. Is your dog your legs? Yeah. Your dog is your legs? I was I was answered in Mike. Okay. I was surprised. What is your dog then? It's like in the middle of your legs and your waist section. That's what they always say in basketball. It's like, ooh, a shot to the midsection. It's like, yeah, it's his balls is what I think his balls have. It's pretty. Anyways, I never know exactly what they mean when they say midsection. Because I'm sometimes it is just a gut punch. Yeah. Right. Right. They should say groin. That's groin. Yeah. Yeah. To say penis. That's the leader term. Yeah. Yeah. Peter is that was our term growing up. Okay. Well, anyway, so this woman, she was identified only by her initials, which are KB. So it could be anyone. It might be anyone. K could be bright. K could be bright. He's dead though. Who knows? Maybe he's living in Greece. In his assing. Yeah. Maybe he just was tired of the limelight. Yeah. Okay. Well, it could have been, well, it was a woman. So maybe, I don't know, maybe he changed his identity to remain anonymous. So the bite victim, KB, discussed how eventually the bite had led to an infection, which led to her being hospitalized. And you were with turtles, like sea turtles in the past, right? They're pretty nice sea turtle. Are they chompy? Yeah. They're very chompy. Yeah. Especially out of the water for me in my experience. Yeah, they can be pretty chompy. Yeah. Sure. And it's like a, I mean, they all have different physiology, but these turtles have a kind of a beak, right? That it's more like a piercing, more so than that. And pretty much all sea turtles have that. But there's a fair amount of pressure in there. When I got bitten split all along the lines of the beak, like the edges, but they, I mean, you know, when I say they're chompy, like obviously every day, there are thousands of interactions between people and sea turtles where people don't get bit, you know? But like, it's not like it's unheard of. They do, they do bite. That's mainly to help them if a shark ever grabs them. Yeah. I mean, it's like, yeah, it's their only defense. Sure. I think that's not a problem. That's necessarily. Yeah. I think they're probably mostly for like eating food. Right. I mean, mostly they're like biting defensively. It would be for like a fashart god, or something. God, they would turn around and try and bite it. He's not right. What are humans mouth? Mouth is most used for talking. Yeah, talking. Sure. It's talking. Breeze. If a shark grabs us. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well, something I thought this is a little interesting to take note of is that unlike other marine attacks, and it's kind of common sense when you think about this for more than a couple seconds. But the experts were saying, unlike in shark attacks, where you don't want to make a lot of commotion in the water, because that'll attract those kinds of predators or, you know, sea life, you'll want to get big and kind of flail around violently to scare these turtles off, which makes sense because, you know, they're not quite in the same league. The difference is like with sharks, you don't want to provoke them to come in and attack you in like a predatory way or a territorial way. And like that's what their prey does is splashes around a lot. But like with turtles, they're not trying to feed on you. Like they're either being defensive or aggressive. So you're just trying to discourage it. So it makes sense. You would splash and make a lot of commotion. One of these experts named Demetris Fetilis, I believe is how it's pronounced. He explained that turtles can actually come to associate humans with being rivals for their food sources. So they'll kind of they'll approach you and try to chase you off. And it's kind of interesting to think of turtles seeing a human as a kind of a competitor almost into the water. That is interesting. That imagery. Because they're mostly just eating like seagrass analogy. So that's pretty strange that they would see us as man, they're dumb. They're gonna break dancing now. Yeah turtles. Yeah, they are. Of course, that's true. Going kind of. Going in. Going in. Yeah. They got one move. Yeah. But they're so good at it. And they can't really get out of it. After they interviewed this KV person, did she like step back and hit a fade away jumper from like beyond the arc? She broke out into a live rendition of cloud busting. I was really curious. Who's that running K-bush? Oh, K-bush. She's her best song. Anyway, that's it for the story. So one final note, I guess, actually I lied. I misled you. Not intentionally. I didn't mean to do that. I'm not done yet, Jeff. Stop. Okay. But these bites, this infection that K-b sustained, they can be fatal if you leave them untreated. And it was, it really was just one of the most painful things she had ever experienced. So just a, you know, we are an animal attack podcast. There's much pain as we can invoke into the conversation, the better, right? Pain and death. We want them to those go into details. Couple of times now, turtles have eaten someone's ass. Yeah. I love it. All right. Like Mike. Just like I love it. All right, I should do it. It's been so long. I can't. Just because it's just because it's been a long time doesn't mean you can't love it. All right. I'm going to give us a pause to reconnect. And then I'm going to talk about one more sad one. That'll bring us down. Yeah. I'm appropriately bad now. Okay. This is just a quick one, but one that a couple people sent to us. A very prominent kite surfer in South Africa was reported missing on September 7th, where do you guys think this is going? Kitesurf Africa, kite surfer reported missing. Shark. You'd think a shark. You know, you hear South Africa and someone going missing in the ocean on an animal attack podcast. You'd think a shark, but it's not. After you went missing, a very large search was launched. His board and his kite were located at sea on September 8th, and then his body was recovered not long after. Initially, initial reports showed that it was probably just a simple tragic drowning. But then authorities went over all of the evidence in October and a different picture started emerging based on damages to his equipment and some video footage that had survived this tragedy. The prevailing theory now is that this guy Graham House had been kite boarding with a pot of whales near Cape Town when one of these animals breached from the water, struck him with over a ton of force immediately knocking him out and he drowned to death. So at least if this is any consolation, it would be a very quick peaceful way to die. One minute you'd just be kite surfing in the next minute, you're dead. You know, because you would just get knocked out and drowned. I don't know, do people wake up when they're drowning? I don't know. If you're knocked out for no while. Stop drowning when they wake up. Okay. Anyway, yeah, that's what they think happened. So I'm guessing what they have to have is some video that he shot of like whales next to him. And it was like, you know, they can place it close to the time that he drowned or something. But apparently this was like the guy when it came to the kite boarding community in Seen in South Africa. In South Africa, there's been like a ton of nice tributes about him. He seemed like he was a really influential person in that community. And like had started a lot of different clubs and all sorts of stuff for it. So he's very missed. There's some very touching tributes to him. But kind of a crazy way to go, you know. Yeah. It's how much power those whales have just a simple flick of the tail, you know, it's gonna, it's really it's a few, there's a few videos. I think ones in South Africa where you see them breach and land on a boat and just like demolish it. So yeah, there are a few animals that need to be respected. So RIP. Yeah. All right. That's all I got this week. I think I'd be a doggy. It's not a bear or you would kill it. I wouldn't. But if it fed on him, then I would say, oh, that's probably a bear you got to get rid of. I'm just messing with you. I think you make a lot of sense with the bear stuff. You know, you know. I have a couple headlines. So on October 28th, I don't know if you guys saw this, but a truck transporting monkeys from Tulane University crashed. I think that did. And these were highly aggressive monkeys too. And they were a bit more cocks. Medical tests on them too. Yeah. So they had, yeah, they had hepatitis C, herpes, am COVID. And they were just like very aggressive monkeys all at the same time. And I was looking and it said one of the macawks is still like on the loose. And then I looked into that and they are like actually three yards. Yeah. Actually all of them. Yeah. And I think they're trying to keep it as hush, hush as possible. Because I think a lot of people are just kind of like that's kind of deaf. You gave monkeys, herpes, hepatitis and COVID. Yeah. So we're going to have like COVID-25 coming out pretty soon. Yeah. I was going to blame it on China. And I guess like this type of macaque, I forget what type it is. It's like dirt. What was it? Rises? Dirt. Macaque. Yeah, Rises. Rises macaques. They share like 93% DNA with humans. So I think they It's not hard to pass the diseases. I think they get pretty fracked over as far as medical experimentation goes. Yeah. I think we've been using them for a while to test different things. We know what kind of sucks. Yeah. Stop fooling around with macaques for a little bit, everyone out there. Yeah. And then give it till next year. What if there was a scientist out there that was just about with a macaque. And then he heard that mic in the instruments down. Yeah. Spread the word. Yeah. People need to know about tooth and claw. We're saving lives. There is another sea otter that was kicking people off of surfboards in Santa Cruz. There was some gray wolves in California that were just killed for killing 70 farm animals. Feel like California doesn't have a lot of gray wolves, right? They don't know. And it was over time too. Because like, gray wolves could do that in a single night if they really wanted to. This was over a matter of weeks and they finally got rid of them. But uh, yeah, I don't know. I don't know how I feel about that one. Put it on their flag. Yeah. Gray wolves. Yeah. Yeah. Wolves bears. Put them all on there. Well, that's all I got. All right. All right. Should we go categories? Let's do it. We should. Okay. I will lead our categories today. So this one I just was curious. You guys take best and worst AI videos you've seen. I can start us off there. Okay. There was one that kind of like, whereas just like people scrubbing barnacles off of whales. Like these shifts that looked like they were designed to scrub and these whales would just have like way too many barnacles and then they would just clean them all off. And it's just like, I like power washing videos. Like I've watched so many power washing videos. It's kind of like that same thing a little bit. And then there's been some like kind of funny Pixar movie type ones recently that sometimes they're dumb and sometimes it's like that's kind of funny. Like AI is making jokes that we can't make because we get in trouble. It's weird thing. Yeah. It is weird. Jeff extolling the virtues of AI because they get to make it. Can't do such a cancelable. And then there was one. There's one that's like, I think. I mean, obviously this was always coming, but there's a really scary one, Neil de Grasse, tight, Neil de Grasse Tyson. Like the, how you say it's me? Yeah. Yeah. Is it a cyst? Yeah. He, I just watched one where like it's him saying like, you know what? After like going over all this footage or satellites and all this data we have, I come to the conclusion the world might actually be flat. And then the video pans out to him actually there. And he's like, this is a video that people are sharing. And that's a kind of a problem. It is a problem. It's a problem. It's already breaking people's brains. Yeah. I want to preface mine. My answer to this question by saying, I'm pretty anti AI. And when I say pretty like, I mean very, I think it's especially when it comes to making like videos, art, photos, anything generative that's that we use human emotion and human soul to make even if it's like dumb videos, I really, really, really dislike it. So I don't have a single video. So blatantly you like copyright stealing too. It's just they're getting away with it. I literally what it is. It just steals other people's pre-established works of art. And yeah, like you can't create art on its own. It is just going off of what is already in existence. So, you know, I'm kind of mansplaining how's obnoxious. Sorry. We've talked about this before, but like I could get Chaggy PT and say, Hey, tell me a story in the like tone of tooth and claw podcast about this incident and probably save myself, you know, 10 hours of work every week. But I'm not going to do that because I really distrust AI. I don't like AI. So my favorite video is going to be I'm just going to say a recent one I saw where it was like trying to recreate a sitcom from the 90s. And it was this really disturbing uncanny valley like friends knockoff where people were like replicating themselves and just it was so strange to watch. And the reason that's my favorite is because I don't see how anyone can watch that and think, Oh, this is a good thing we got going here. You know, like this thing is going to really change. And I know it's developing and becoming better and better, but still, right. My least favorite is any animal AI video because I get sent a lot of them. And I am so tired of having to tell people that they're sending me an AI video. So my favorite one actually, they're the ones that there's like a drone drone footage above the Amazon river. And then there's just this snake that takes up the entire that's like, it's kind of funny when people it's funny. Right. That's funny. And it's a problem. But it's like maybe these people are too dumb to we should revoke their right to use the internet. Maybe doesn't it kind of make you want to die when you click on the comments and you just see like 30 of people being like, that's crazy. That's the biggest snake I've ever seen. I think it's kind of funny. The Hank from part in might take like the biggest sports podcast there was fell for that particular video. And the will. Yeah. I think I think though like on a more like slightly more serious. No, I know I've already kind of been a downer about this, but like with animals, the thing that scares me is you see these videos that are AI of people doing really dangerous things around animals. And then people think that's real and they think they can get away with that or things that are like bad for the animals or whatever. And so for me, it's it's already bad that you have real videos of people doing that. And now that we have like tons of fake videos of people doing it, it's just like a flood of terrible animal information that's going out in the world. So it yeah, I don't know. The golden retriever scuba diving was pretty good. That's pretty good. You got it, man. That's the rabbits on the track. The long admit it. No, my worst one. Yeah. So I think West even brought this up somewhat fairly recently, but one of my favorite old movies is Jason the Argonauts. And there's this really awesome scene where there's these skeletons pop up out of the ground and start attacking the heroes group. And it's just the most intricately staged and choreographed stop motion. And like there's a whole there's I mean whole documentaries have been made about this specific scene. Yeah. And then someone on the internet's just like, Hey, look what I did to update this old movie using AI. Isn't it so much better? And it was just like removed all of the magic removed all of the charm. And it was just like it looked worse. It looked bad. I just there's something about it that was so infuriating to me. That's the other thing. Yeah. People in the comments were just like, Oh my gosh, this is a miracle. And it's like, No, it's not. This is like we're this is we're going towards hell. Yeah. Looking at this. That's the other thing that's so frustrating for me is it's like always these tech bros that are like, Look what I made. Look how amazing this is. And it's like, right? It looks like horse shit, man. That looks terrible. You know, but then there's 30 like 300 other people saying all this incredible like, what prompt did you use? You know, yeah, it makes me need to go lay down. Me too. Like the last real genuine human art we got was the board apes. Pretty much. Yeah. It's all been down. Nilsons. Board ape. Club or whatever. Oh, I'm so glad you said that because that's one of my favorite headlines of the month was which is, oh, let's go into it. The favorite. So yeah, favorite non animal headline. Just recently. I have to because one of them is kind of animals because it's about the board apes, which if you don't know what this is, a while ago when they were doing NFTs, when NFT was like the huge thing and everyone is buying NFTs, which are non fungible tokens. It's essentially like you own the digital footprint of a piece of art. It's the dumbest thing. And a lot of people knew it was dumb, but some people didn't. And the biggest one were the board apes, I think, and people were paying hundreds of thousands of dumb millions of dollars for these things. And I saw a headline this month of this guy who had bought one for 400 something thousand dollars. And he had just sold it for 37,000 dollars. And the headline was all about how he thought that he still got his money's worth because he got to be, yeah, he got to be like part of the apes community. And it was like the biggest piece of cope, that I've ever read in my entire life. And he's tattooed with like all these board apes tattoos and stuff. And then it ended with like apes till I die or something. I can't remember what it was, but it was just like, come on man. We're all going to replace the L on that one. I remember, I'll always remember like being at a jazz game. And there was, I think Rudy go bare like on the jazz, whatever he was important to their winning, but like he was just always like kind of boring. Yeah. And there's this game where he dunked it with two hands. And the guy next to me is like, I'm buying that. I was like, what? He's like, yeah, no, there's this app you can like buy when a player like does something cool. And then you're the only one that owns that video. I was like, sure, but I can still just get that video. He's like, yeah, but like not with this company. And that's where I was kind of like man. It was the biggest like snake oil thing ever. The tweet that I'd pee or whatever. Go ahead Mike. No, I had an employee who was just lamenting the fact that all of his NFTs lost value and he was just not making any money off of this. And after five minutes of complaining about it, he came to the realization. He just said to himself, I just got to buy more expensive ones, I think. I was like, no, not the conclusion. You were you were headed in the right jacks off. We didn't quite get there. I remember when the apes thing was going crazy. There was someone who had his stolen and he tweeted my apes, they're gone. And it was just like a tweet, I think, about all the time. This is such a weird snapshot in the middle of like a collective psychosis, you know, but our heart goes out to him. Yeah. Hopefully you do your other one. You should yeah. The other one is really quick, but you guys know much about Lily, Lily Allen and David harbor. Oh, yeah. I mean, not a lot, but I know there are. Yeah. So they got married a few years ago. And Lily Allen, then they got divorced and Lily Allen just released an album. And like every track is about him and how bad he is. There's like a track called there's a track called Pussy Palace. That's all about how he turned their apartment into just like a sex den and how she had to pick up all these sex toys and stuff from other women. It's just like the entire album. What the is just them, her airing all of their dirty laundry. That's great. And it's pretty crazy. So that was a wild headline from the month. Yeah. Okay. My good. Okay. I got it. So this is the headline. John Wu's Hong Kong classic has been rescued and restored in 4k. You guys know, John Wu, we're talking about hard boiled here because for a long time, we thought the original Prince of this movie were just like they're lost to time. No one knew where they were. And then they got discovered, but it started getting tangled up in these. The people that owned the rights had no interest in distributing them to the public. So all we had were just like low quality, low resolution releases or bootlegs. But we're here. It's time. We're getting a physical 4k disc release of one of my 15 favorite movies ever. Top 20 movie for me. Man. I'm so. Which movie and I'm hard boiled. Hard boiled. Yeah. And a bunch of his other stuff. Yeah. I saw a headline from one of his movies this month about Mission Impossible 2. There's like the scene where the knife is right next to Tom Cruz. I and he's like doing the wrestling thing. And like it's been done a ton. But I feel like as an earlier one where they did that. And apparently Tom Cruz insisted it be a real knife. Really? Really? Oh my gosh. That's crazy. That's got so much. So close to my life. Eyeball? Yeah. Mine was that the show ridiculousness got canceled. Really? It used to be like all MTV show after 15. It is still. Yeah. After 15 seasons. It's getting canceled. So I don't know. Like I grew up on MTV just all that stupid dating shows. The challenge. The real world. Road rules. Like I made up in the MTV content music videos. So it's turned into just a channel of ridiculousness. And now that they're getting rid of that. I'm just like what is the MTV? It's gotta just be done, right? Is it dead? I have to go rescue a horse real quick. Kevin's getting harassed. You guys keep going. Yeah. We'll cover. Keep talking. Well, I mean the next one's overrated. So if you have a couple of rated things. I have I do actually have a couple that I wanted to I have an overrated one than a couple underrated. Okay. Well, this one actually this one's not going to be that interesting to West. But one of my things that I think have always thought was underrated. So in the Super Nintendo link to the past Legend is out of the game. It's always been a little bit of a sore spot for fans of the series that that link had pink hair. And I've always thought it was like actually a really cool detail. And I was like it makes him so unique. And I think it actually looks really cool and it makes him just like a distinct sprite on the screen. I was like Jeff's got pink hair now. We got to talk about this because I just think generally now pink hair is cool. It turns out in the real world. It's cool too. Not just being happy. I'm glad I've been loving it. The first week I had some real anxiety going out in public. Not that it looked bad is just like I didn't want to stand out, which is like a weird thing to say for someone who just died their hair pink. Right. Yeah. But now I'm gotten over that. Do people talk to you about it? Do they approach you? Yes. And like the gas station, a block away from me where I like get snacks and drinks like almost daily. Half the employees have colored hair. Yeah. So it's kind of like they feel like they can just strike up conversation with me now, which is a little annoying. It is kind of a like yeah, but you're like part of a club, which is yeah. And I like call them twin and stuff. Yeah. I just I've always thought it was really dumb how like basically every content creator that talks about Zelda. And there's a lot of them that do it for like literally that's their job is to like make Zelda videos on YouTube. They all hate the pink hair on link. And it's like why? Why? It's like kind of cool to me. It always has like one time. Yeah. Yeah. Jeff looks cool. Especially now that it's grown out a little bit to it. The roots are a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. Do you have like an athlete right now who you think the most overrated? Is Jalen Hertz kind of going to be that guy for me? Oh, I think he's underrated. I think he's like as good as any quarterback. Really? Is he passing better? Because the first like few games he was just wasn't even throwing the ball at all. Yeah. They didn't. Okay. He has like, yeah, he has some of the most passing guards. I'll go with Austin Reeves. I think I might go Anthony Edwards. Like I think he's really good, but not like the next face of the league. Sure. Yeah. I think that's better. Like I think he's like Donovan Mitchell type player. Okay. All right. Wes. Yeah. We're going to get going now. Yeah. That was just us failing space. But it's only the thing I got to tell you what was just happening. So we have three horses. We have Guapo who's older, itchy, who's really new and then Kev who's really older and tiny. And Kev has been sick for a while and probably not going to last too much longer. And itchy was just like kicking him and jumping on him and like making him run all over in his feet are very tender. So I had to run out and separate him. Oh, me. Yeah. Poor little guy. He's limping around. Yeah. Anyway, overrated. Is that what it is? Something overrated? Yes. Kevin. I'm going to go ahead and say one that's going to be a little itchy. She's beautiful, but he is kind of a handful. Something a little controversial that a lot of people aren't going to agree with me on. And that's that I think soup is overrated. Oh, yeah. What? I disagree. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like it's rare that I get soup that I'm just that I really like it. And it usually fills me up enough that I don't want ever. I don't want whatever comes next. So I don't really like it as like a entree. And then for a meal, it's not filling enough for me. If that makes sense. Okay. It doesn't. I know I'm kind of contradicting myself there. I get what you're saying. Yeah. Like a salad before your meal, it doesn't like ruin your meal coming up, but a soup you get two full. Yeah. And I think if I'm really cold, I would rather just have like a hot beverage than a hot soup. Okay. But I do like certain soups. And I tend to like thicker soups like a potato soup or a split pea soup or something like that, a creamier soup. But I'm not a huge soup guy. I follow up. I'm just not a big soup guy. All right. Can't not a big any guy. You're a little guy. Smaller. I'm on the small. You're like a little soup guy. I wouldn't say that. I said one of your efforts. You found one. Most people would disagree with which is like kind of the good way to do it. I went with Jake from State Farm. Just like I don't think he's ever really had a good moment. Like the original Jake's commercial is funny. Yeah. It's kind of like how did that? How did it last this long? Why do we still have this? Like why are we like flow is how to cut both commercials make me laugh. I don't think Jake ever has. Yeah. The first guy was an inactive. He was like an actual State Farm employee that they just used for that one commercial and the joke was funny. Okay. Is Kaki pants? That was funny. I mean, I don't I don't know. I mean it's Jake now. But I just think his writing maybe. Yeah. He needs better writing room. Like getting his bag, you know. Sure. That needs my son. It's the dollars. Yeah. We did. Yeah. That's a chargeers game. Everyone goes crazy. Yeah. That is like a wish. Celebrity to get a photo with or something. You know what? I hope he never gets fired because me too. Everyone recognizes him. So like he has like that celebrity thing where people want pictures with him. But then he doesn't get like the benefits of being a celebrity really. Right. Like if you got fired and just had to take pictures with everyone and couldn't go in public. That's just Jake from State Farm. He's not going to get like other gays like that. Yeah. All right. Oh, Mike, do you have one? I say this is going to piss a lot of people off too. But I think crossbows are overrated. Yeah. I'm with you there. Yeah. Like really. Real bow and arrows are so much cooler than so much. They're like beautiful and elegant and like way cooler. I just get a gun if you're going to get a crossbow. That's the thing. You have to like it takes like 10 minutes to reload them and you have to like step on it and pull the thing back. And it's like not that. I don't think it's even much stronger than a bow at all. It might not even be as strong. Yeah. They're just like the like a new weapon. You know. You got a train for forever to be awesome. It's a good guns where it's like a big thing. That's when crossbows were cool. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You bolts. Just like in yeah. Call them an arrow. That's I don't know. You're trying to be special calling them a bolt. Like in game of thrones having a cross boat. It's like, yeah, that's kind of cool. Like jaw free back. No. It's because he's sick. It was still like the cowards that use them in game of thrones. Yeah. Bozers. Bozers are cool. Much. I'm saying though. It made sense that now it doesn't really make sense because you got to use it. I mean, that doesn't make sense to really use a bow and arrow either. Does it? I guess hunters. It's more traditional feeling than a crossbow. Exactly. With zombies, it makes sense. Yeah. Because the gun makes a lot of noise and brings in more. So crossbow, it's like you don't make a noise. You kill him. It's better than bow and arrow. Yeah. Is Darryl? Darryl has a crossbow. He's pretty quick with it. There's a there's this video of the sky online that I don't know his name, but it's this trick bow and arrow guy. It's the most incredible video I've ever seen in my entire life where this guy can shoot so fast and so accurately with this bow. It absolutely blew me away. So look it up sometime because it makes me think like take it and I'm going to make AI make it like 12% faster. Don't do it. Yeah. I'm sure it already exists, but man, it is so cool. So look at up. My video gets so many views. Yeah. It's a little bit faster, even. Best recent animal you've seen in TV movies or pop culture. I had I told West to watch invasion of the body snatchers recently and there's a dog that gets a human face on it in it. It runs out and it's weird because it looks like super realistic somehow. I think it was just a mask that they put over the head of a dog, but there's this shot where it's tongue flicks out of the mouth and it looks really just oddly realistic to me. It's just like my favorite part of that movie. Unless does he neglected it even bring it up when I forgot the movies. It's great. We just watched Good Boy, which is about a dog that's like seeing ghosts and it features like a pretty singular performance by a dog. I just and the dog was so few. It just was a dog that I just wanted to like take into my house because he's going through all this terrible stuff and I just wanted him to like be happy, but I really liked that dog in that movie. So that's how it says goes. It might, but my house is a great spot for a dog. Yeah. I'm going to go with EGLY from a PC smaker. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Just a sweet sidekick animal to have. You know. And she shot out them. They use the right like animal noises for a bald eagle. They didn't use the red red dog. Yeah. There you go. Nice job. Good work. Peace. My name is Gun. I'm John Cena. You think that as a John Cena moment. He is. I think he made the call. He was like, no, we got to have a real eagle noise. Real ball. I have some listener questions from Hi Lizze is Jeff actually a huge gun guy or is that a bit? Uh, no. I mean, you ask me any type of gun. What's he'll say it? Yeah. Ask me any type. A big one. Big gun bazooka. Yeah. There we go. He's got my ass. Me any type of gun. Yeah. A little gun. No magnum. Like a PB seven. Yeah. Like you took it. But this is the kind of expertise you can expect. He wants to be little purse gun. Little gun in your purse. Yeah. Right. See? Right. Yeah. Perse gun. Okay. He's got it like like that. He's got it. Just right. That should answer your question. Yeah. Um, Heather XS ask what's one thing you'll never do again? What's his panda express? Yeah. Honestly. Yeah. We know how he feels. Daniel T. Jesus guy. I like sick from it. Probably never be religious again. Oh, wow. I think I'm never gonna bunchy jump ever again. I was really feeling torn in two directions when we were we went bunchy jumping off this really big bridge. Yeah. But we went off. I don't know how how high that just like 300 something. Yeah. It was really it was a big one. And I was like, well, I mean, they're I've done about as big as I'll ever do it. Or I'll just need to like really commit and become like a serious about bungee jumping because it was fun. But I don't think I'm ever going to have a better opportunity than that one. So it was like, I think I've just reached my peak as a bungee jumper off that bridge. Yeah. It really hurt. Yeah. Like they put it on my shins instead of my ankles. And it's just like so much pressure on my shins. Yeah. It wasn't nearly as fun as this swing that they were doing off the bridge. Yeah. Yeah. And the swing was so much more pleasant. Yeah. Yeah. No, that's good. Watch something I'll never do again. Oh, this was your category. That's not a follow-up list. Oh, listener question. Like Elvis Costello. You didn't I gave you years, right? Did you say one? What? I said probably never be religious again. Oh, yeah. Uh-huh. I mean, I could could take that one. Good. Never gonna you'll never try meth again, right? After that one. I would say that. I never watch. Never watch. I guess Adderollas kind of. Yeah. I would. I would maybe, uh, damn. I'm sorry. I'm blanking, guys. I do. That's very normal activity. Elementary school. My hope. I hope you never go back. What else? All right. Becca's killing us. Is there any animal you would suggest not using bears spray on? I carry it hiking everywhere. No. Like your pet lizard. There's definitely animals that. Yeah. Oh, actually, you know, a rattlesnake. Don't use it on a rattlesnake. That's the one I would suggest. Or a shark. Sure. Or one of those dogs that like a like a comfort support dog. Yeah. Don't use it on someone's dog unless it's attacked on the airplane. Uh, it works pretty well on all mammals. There's some mammals that it's going to be less effective. Like probably a bison. It's not going to be as effective, but it would probably still work. So, but I wouldn't use on any reptiles or any fish. I don't think I'll ever share a room again. Like, yeah. As a roommate shared room. That's a good answer. I want to be a wife. Yeah. As a roommate. I wouldn't call wife a roommate. But, you know, I know technically my wife was on board for like the separate bedrooms thing. I'd be so happy. It's not a bad idea. Yeah. I like sleeping alone. Yeah. I do too. But there are nights where it's just like so nice to go up next to someone else. So, um, ember. Someone being Jesse. Emerson asks, will you all ever come to New Zealand? Mike? Hey, I would, I mean, I've been once now and I'd love to go back. It was an amazing place. I had a great time. I was only there for like three days. Shireton. Yeah. Shireton. The Hobbiton. The Sheraton. Hobbiton. Sheraton. I went to the Garnet Dragon and I had a pint and a big old scone. I really want to go. I, you know, I'm not like too interested in New Zealand outside of that, but I really want to see all of the sort of things. There's not like too much wildlife that seems interesting. Yeah. And it just really feels a lot like Montana, you know, it doesn't feel that different. But I do really go there. No way. You love Montana. Nothing compared to Milford sound. Sure. Milford sound. It is a great name. You got nothing like that. Yeah. It'd be a good like. It's awesome. Kayaking fly fishing place. It would. But so is Montana. I love the people there. There are some of the most pleasant people I've ever interacted with. Yeah. I mean, it's great. I remember I've met, has been really nice. Mediocre magic, uh, once to ask, what's the best roller coaster ride you've ever been on? I honestly might be cannibal. I look cannibal and buffalo bills for me and buffalo bills. How to order forever. I forget. There were two in bush gardens in Florida. That place is just like the best to go when I was little, but they had two. There was an Egyptian themed one and then one called I think black Panther or something. Cougar, Puma. I don't know. Um, one of those two. I'll go with the Egyptian one. I like that one so much. I'd forced my dad to buy me like a little Egyptian rod like one of those ritual like a wooden rod thing. This was two years ago. I still have it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. To these two years ago. That out. Dad. Man. I'm interested. What you guys think of this one? Elijah Mo asked, when have you been the most proud of yourself in your life? Is this one time we were in an airport in India? And I really kept my cool in a situation. That's crazy. I didn't even say anything to that guy, Jeff. You're not a word to him. Maybe when the Nat Geo article came out or when we were on this American life, those were two times that I was very proud. But honestly, and like this is going to sound like kind of a simmering answer, but like getting messages from people saying that their kids want to be wildlife biologists or look up to us or have like decided that they really care about the natural world because of our show is always fills me with like a really big sense of pride. So that's up there for me. Someone recently told me I was their steaver when and I like really hit the hard one. Yeah. That's sort of yeah. Someone wrote me and said like I never even responded to him. I'm sorry. I hope they're listening. But they said I was like the funniest person to them of like any person, even like comedians. And that was like, I was pretty nice. I find there's this whenever in its rare, I think, to have moments of genuine altruism when you do something good for somebody else for the right reasons. And it's those moments where you look back on like volunteering on a random weekend to help somebody move or like work in a food kitchen or something. Like that's just something I'll never ever regret. And it's kind of weird to like look back on those and feel proud of myself. Like man, I'm such an awesome and good person. But like, I don't know. I guess that is kind of what I'm feeling in a way, but just a really like the sense of like I'm contributing to humanity. I'm not just like a leech, you know. Yeah. You should be when you beat that video game where you had to swim through this bikes. Alex kid and Miracle. Yeah. Okay. The very end of the kid. Who were you playing that with? Brent. We played that game for like 72 hours straight trying to get through that little water part. Maybe when we beat the Dallas Mavericks in NBA Jam, that was like that took a long time. I'm the only person I've ever met that's beat the game battle toads. I'm proud of myself. Honestly, I'm proud of you for that, but I don't believe you. That's fine. I don't believe anyone's ever been. I can tell you what the last level looks like right now. It's the spinning tower that you have to get up and you attack the like the winch of the very top. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Rack. Yeah. I beat it. I think that does. That's amazing. The biggest accomplishment anyone's ever. Yeah. Whatever. Yeah. Well, thanks guys. Thank you, everyone, for story submissions. Thank you, especially to our subscribers. We love you so much. We love you. All right. Well, I'll see you guys in a couple days in Costa Rica. Love you. Love you. Bye.