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Portland Trail Blazers hold off the Phoenix Suns 114-110. Deni Adia gets a critical layup to force an and one propelling the Blazers to the victory. The Trail Blazers advance to the NBA playoffs as the number seven seed and they will face the San Antonio Spurs in the first round. Joe, I thought Phoenix had this game under control. They were up by 11 points with under five minutes to go and some dumb plays, four shots. Let Portland get some easy and three looked and it was bad. And one more thing, Devin Booker, he holds this team the next game because he was bad tonight, Joe. Go ahead. Hey, listen, I thought they teetered Tyler pretty much throughout the game. I thought Portland had it early. Okay, they had the momentum. I was like, look like Portland going to take care of this thing because everybody was kind of hitting on all the settlers to start the game. But then Phoenix took control. I'm like, okay. Yeah. But this, this, uh, I'm the I do. Yeah. Man, listen, hey, that boy got a game. Okay, oh, Joe, he came and put it down. Hey, look, because even, you know, late, late in the game, when everything was a bit stagnant, he could always get to his spots. All right. I mean, at six, eight can handle a rock can shoot the three can go off the dribble. Man, he had them boys in the Hucklebuck all night. Okay. Oh, Joe, it wasn't nothing they could do, Joe. I mean, they tried everything. They put Royce O'Neill on him. They put Dylan Brooks. They put their best defenders on him and he cooked everybody. Man, I got Chris Cole and I'm frying everybody. This ain't no Pam. There's no a no low fat stuff here. This ain't healthy for you. Man, this is gonna clog your arteries. This was a hell of a game. I'm talking about this and play off basketball tonight. We got entertained tonight. We got entertained tonight. For two, he was 15 or 22. He had 41 points, 12 assists, seven rebounds. Oh, young, young bull was playing really good. Hey, Joe, did you see this from him at all this season? No, man, I've seen him play a few times. Oh, Joe, he was an all star this year. Now he averaged 20, 24, 25 points. Yeah, yeah, we saw this. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He was an all star. Yes. So this early and often. Yeah, but I'm not gonna sit here and say that I just was checking for Portland to play every night. I ain't really, you know what I mean? But I know he been putting up numbers. I ain't gonna lie to him. He been putting up numbers even doing this thing. He was rewarding an all star. But to see this tonight, you know, in a playoff atmosphere on the road. Where it counts. Oh, man, no, look, it gave me a newfound respect for him. Okay, oh, Joe, because y'all seen how physical the game was. Y'all see how it was back and forth. And man, just down the stretch, bro. This is what you did. I call these gamers, bro. Guys who just step up in the big moments. And when every time a play was needed, he come and one. I'm talking about like, oh, man, this is nice. I thought the thing was, and I agree with you, Joe, but if you go like when they show it with show highlights, he's always the first or second lean score. He's always having games like this. And so you're right. Just to sit down. I haven't sat down and watched him play the entirety of a ball game. Yeah. You see highlights and clips. He like, well, damn. And then the dude make the all star team. You like, okay, he got to be pretty good because he wasn't, he wasn't voted in by the fans. Yeah. For the players and the coaches. That lets you know because they get an opportunity to see him on a nightly basis. Yeah. And maybe because he's not the household name. Cause you look first of all, you got to overcome Luca. You got to overcome Yolkich. You got to overcome a Winby. You got to overcome Steph. You got to overcome man. And you still got KD and you got Braun. So you got seven guys right there that you got to overcome. So, you know, the likelihood of him making it as a, as a vote in from the, the fans probably wasn't likely, but for the coaches to put him in. And the players is like, okay. It's, it's go ahead. Oh, Joe. Now we're going to say he wanted him. He wanted him especially, especially playing important in order, in order to make a name for yourself and compete with those other seven other seven players. You got to be balling. I'm talking about you got to be balling night in and night out, especially for those that are downhill in the East Coast who don't get to watch your games that much. Yeah. Yeah. It was, it was West Coast game. They come on so damn late. Most people that he's already asleep. Cause think about what time it is now. These are the times the game's normally come on. They come on at seven 30 on the West Coast. Yeah. And so you're not, if, if you're not an avid or die hard fan, you're not standing up watching Portland because they don't have a name. I'm just being honest. They don't have a name. Okay. When they had Dame, you might like, well, let me see what Dame would do. If it's, if we on Dame time. Yes. But for young man and like you said, some people scarfed it and making all star game, but he showed your ass tonight exactly why you were the all star. Man. And you know what? I think, you know, when you, when you look at it, you know, Portland one kicking up no damn dust this, this year. You know, like they ain't, they're into play here for a reason. Yeah. Considered. Right. So for him to make the all star team, you know, he was balling. Yes. Better than everything that Dave went through it from a franchise perspective, the players obviously, you know, the stuff happening with Johnson early in the year. Correct. I think this is a remarkable comeback fellas. You know, for these guys to make the plan, obviously they into playoff now, right? Yeah. They're number, they're number seven. See they get, they get San Antonio. Hey, look, that's tough. I don't think they can be San Antonio, but they showed me they got some, they got some weapons over there. They got some guys, you know, in big moments because I like German Grant. Okay. Oh, Joe, he made some big shots down the stretch for him. He came into that fourth quarter Joe and hit two big threes. Yeah. Game to lead threes. Yeah. One of them. Right. That lad, that second one. Yeah. He came to lead with them threes. You know, I always thought throughout the year, I'm like, damn, why he's still stuck in Portland? He needed to get out here and get on him a playoff team. But you know, he making the most, I don't know if he's dealt with injuries because I see he came off the bench tonight, but he played huge for him. Obviously Drew, who's won two titles. You know what I mean? Yes. He was calming these moments. I thought this was a hell of an effort by the Blazers on the road, bro, to go in Phoenix and get this game. This, this says a lot about this team. But I was disappointed with, with, with, with Phoenix. And this is not to take anything away from Portland because I believe two things can be true. I believe Portland deserve to win this game. But I also believe that, that, that Phoenix made some bonehead plays. Man. He came down and forced up shots. Dylan Brooks forced up a shot and then you get Jaylen Green. He comes down, he forces up a shot. The constant turnovers, bro, y'all trying to win a game. You don't need to play hero ball. You got a limb point lead. Just take your time and go through your offense. I thought when Jaylen Green checked back in the game, he was hitting three after three, big shot, getting to his spot, hitting two after two. But there were a couple of four shots by him and Dylan Brooks that it was unnecessary. Right. I don't know what happened to a book at the free throw line. It was like, he couldn't even damn by a free throw. I mean, he was, I'm too much clankin' him. I was like, what the hell? Yeah. I think, I think, I think with those three guys, you know, rhythm and continuity throughout the season, they hadn't had that. Because one of them has always been out. You know what I mean? Whether it's been Green or whether it's been Dylan Brooks, they've missed significant men. And Book has missed time. Yeah, and Book has missed time. So I think the chemistry thing, you can kind of tell tonight, because to me, it didn't really seem like who was the go-to guy down the stretch. I know Green had it going, but I seen Brooks trying to make plays. Obviously, I'm like, man, they can, hey, I need a book. You gotta be booking that situation, don't you? Yeah, he gotta be, he gotta step up on, he gotta be better. Book gotta be better. He's your perennial all-star. And I know Jaylen Green has an abundance of talent. He's shown you that. Yeah. Because he's streaky, Joe. Yeah, yeah. He's the guy that can go get you 35, 40, 50 points. But then he's another guy that'll shoot three for 20. Right. But he had it going tonight. But I still think, okay, look, you're the best player on this team. You look, they, a lot of players have come and gone. You've been the constant. And tonight, he didn't do what you expect the player of his caliber to do. And that was very disappointing. And I'm not saying that it hasn't happened before, it might not happen again. Yeah. But Joe, you got a little point lead, you on your home court. You gotta bring that thing home court. You gotta close the deal. You do. As a matter of fact, he gotta close the deal. You know, I'm an unki, he was bad tonight over two from three shoot. What he was, seven for 17? Yeah. And then I think he missed like five, maybe five or six free throws. Yeah. Yeah. He was eight for 13 from the free throw line. Yeah. That's uncharacteristic of him. You know, he'll be better, but I think it gets harder for them now. You know, yeah, he better be better. Oh, you taking his ass home because you lose again. You're going home. Yeah. I show hope he better. Yeah. Yeah. I can't believe they lost this game. No, they, hey, hey, boys, mental games on the night. It was, it was a great game in the young fella. I deal. He's only 25 Joe. Oh, he only 25. It seemed like he came out of nowhere too. I don't even, I saw a little bit of him last year, but I was like, I mean, two years ago. So this year he made, he made the all star team and I'm looking at him. I was like, I never heard of this guy before, but he balled it. Yeah. And the thing is he's not like a lot of like European players. They're slow. He's to his part in the hurry. Yes. And you get to his spot in a hurry. Like you said, Joe, he can shoot the three. He can put the ball on the floor, get all the way to the rim and I like it. That's a file. Yeah. That was an and one. Yeah. Shut your ass up. You're going to get an and one. Yeah. He got to pipe down. He got to pipe down. It's crucial. Absolutely. Joe, you just gave your team a lead. Now you better let them go to the free throw line and shoot one to tie you up. Hey, hey. Hey, you know what? He got some real crafty finishes to okay. Oh, Joe, like he get in the paint. He take that little extra little step. Yeah. Bro, for the game to be on the line and you to get a layup and one. Come on, man. Yeah. But if you think about it, Joe, that was a I mean, he take a long euro step because a lot of people just that's a gather step. Yeah. And then they go long. He go long from the jump. Yeah. He a big boy, man. Six, eight. He coming down through that. He got a, I don't think it's handled great, but it's good enough to get by his man. You know what I mean? And that's the thing. It ain't going to really wow you, but he got some quick little shifty stuff in there that kind of get you all balanced. Hey, Portland show me something. What I like to see him do. And I think Thiago, Thiago splitter might have got secured himself the head coaching job with the job that he's done. There you go. If you think about it in the fourth quarter, you see they had shooters all on the court. Yeah. They had Shaden Sharp in one corner. You brought Jeremy Grant in in the other corner. Holler, they could knock down the shot. You had DJ running, running, running the point. He can knock down shot. So they got spacers. So it's hard for you to come. Oh, how you will come traveling? Cause they wanted to come traveling a couple of times and they did a great job. Even Jeremy Grant, they get the ball to the paint, kick to the corner, sharp boom. Yeah. Then they get the ball in the paint, kick to the corner three. They did a great job of finding open three point shooters. And because you got to come help. You see a guy in the lane, you see a guy, he done be this guy. You got to come help. But I was, I was very impressed with what I saw from the Portland Trail Blazers tonight. Give those guys credit. They deserve the credit. Yeah. Phoenix, they made some bonehead plays, but I think that's what happens when you're under the rest. They force you to do things that you probably shouldn't do. And you see what happens. They go on the road, get down on the road by 11 and fight back. Come get it. And you know, holiday going to do a holiday does he go put pressure on you. You a keep your eye on your luggage. You don't keep you out of your luggage. Something going to transpire. He'll have a ball going the other way. They tried to file him at the end, but they did a great job of keeping the ball away from Jeremy Grant. So let me go on and finish this thing off. You're going to point six seconds on the clock and they win. Yeah, that's that experience that experience came into play. You know, when you mix in, mix in a couple of them young guys and you got some vets helping lead the way. Yes. Like like Portland guy and they, and they pull it all together at the same time or at the right time. And I thought tonight was a great, great, great win for those guys, man. I mean, it was, it was, it was, I was very, I was very impressed with Portland. It's going to be interesting to see the mix when Dame gets back because you got another guy that can shoot it. Yeah. Yeah. Another guy, I think they're probably clinging, even though he didn't give you great production tonight. He normally a double, double guy. Yeah. Protect the rim. So it's going to be very interesting to see what Portland does. Now I'm not going to be surprised. I mean, when you bring Dame back and you got all these guys, I mean, you're going to keep Scoot Henderson. I mean, what's going on? That's what I want to know. You got Sheldon Sharp, who's a young guy that my cousin, y'all know that. But he got, he got bounced. Oh, he bounced. He was F. Man, boy, that boy, that boy here was almost at the square. Oh, that's what he, that's what he caught in the lobby. Man, that boy, that boy can get up. Get up. But yeah, I don't know. I don't really know, you know, what Portland going to do when Dame come back. You know, that's, that's a, that's a good point because they got, I mean, Scoot, who I felt like, you know, they put a big shot early. He played well. He did. He did. But man, when, when Dame come back, somebody going to have to scoot over. But see, that's the point. I think Scoot needs playing time and he's not getting that currently. Now maybe that's part of him, but those other guys, I mean, obviously, the name, he ain't going nowhere. Yeah. You got Sheldon Sharp, who's playing well, Jeremy Grant's playing well. You're going to get Dame come back in the mix. I just, I just don't know where the minutes going to come from. Joe and Ocho in a situation like this. I don't either. I don't know if the coach is really a fan of him, neither. You know, I think this is more of Chelsea's guy. If you just, maybe 100, I don't know how, I don't know how Splinter feels about him because it don't seem like he really played that much because I didn't think he played bad in the minutes that he had tonight. I mean, he started and played 17 minutes. Jeremy Grant played 19 minutes, came up the bench. Sheldon Sharp played 21 minutes. He came up the bench. Robert Williams, the third place, 16 minutes. He came up the bench. So you see guys coming off the bench, playing similar minutes or more minutes than a guy that started. Yeah. Yeah. So it makes you wonder, like, I don't know, because it didn't really seem like, you know, he had free range tonight. I thought he made some great plays, especially offensively. He plays hard, but it don't seem like, you know, they really count on him to be productive, to be honest with you. No. And Portland, I mean, Phoenix tonight, they didn't get anything from the bench. They got 17 points from the bench. Jeremy Grant gave you 16 by himself. Right. He's throwing Sheldon Sharp 12. Fiball had three. Robert Williams, the third had two. So you got outscored on the bench by what? That's 28, 31, 33. You got to score by 16 from bench. And then you got another guy. So as great as Jalen Green played, and he plays tremendous tonight, you still got the other guy gave you 41. Yeah. Yeah. I thought Phoenix, they competed, man. Listen, it was fun to watch. You know, I like the back and forth. I like guys going at one another. I like, I like, I like watching Dylan Brooks get under, get on the guy's skin, make him getting technical fouls. You know what I mean? And crucial situations. You know, he's a pass. They probably could have used a little more from, from, from Booker though, for them to get over the hump because they bench ain't giving them that. So one of these guys going to have to be special and great shots tonight. So I thought, I thought it definitely a game. Phoenix is just going to pull away. I thought it was over with. 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Hey, he was going to be a goat and we're going to talk about him later for that Bush League play that he did. Lamello Ball got the game winning layup and closed second and overtime to prepare the Charlotte Hornets to a victory. But Kobe White, that shot that he hit to even get it to overtime. And Joe, you and I was talking about what a big addition he was. I don't know what Chicago A. I don't know what Chicago got for him. Unless they got them parking meters back that they gave sound to the Saudis. This was a horrible deal for them. This was Kobe White drain the game time three in the final seconds of the fourth quarter to send it over time. Charlotte will play the loser of the Magic 76ers. I mean, they're like, man, we played this good and we still ain't in the real play out here. We got to play the loser of Miami and. No, not Miami. The Magic and the 76ers. Charlotte overcome the two for 22 shooting from three from Lamello and Con Connipple, the number 10 Miami eliminated after going three for three from previous in play in taking Hornets to overtime despite losing Bam out of bio. What do you want? What? Hello. Let's go ahead and take a listen. Speaking on Bam, here's what exposed to had to say on the mellow balls play on Bam out of bio. I didn't see it, but that I don't think it's cute. I don't think it's funny. I think it's a stupid play. It's a dangerous play. Obviously, our best players out. I'm not making an excuse. The Hornets played great, you know, and they made those plays down the stretch. We had opportunities to win. I just that's a shame. You know, you should be penalized for that. I don't think that belongs in the game. You know, tripping guys, you know, shenanigans and, you know, Curtis was there. It's his responsibility to see that. And if it's not his responsibility, then Zach's got to see it. If you know somebody has got to see that. And that, you know, he should have been thrown out of the game, you know, for that. I don't know him from, you know, anyone. I just there's no place in the game for that. Obviously, you know, it took Bam out of the game. Hmm. Hey, I mean, you absolutely right here. You lie. There is no place for that in the game. Obviously, for one, you heard our best player, right? You heard our best player. And for us to even have a chance, Joe, first, even have a chance. I know bam was out. He finished with six points. But in order for us to have a chance to win this game as efficient as they've been playing all year, it's about the Hornets. We need that. We need all hands on deck. If anything, let's just keep the game close until it gets towards the end. Now we play well once Bam left the game. That goddamn Davion Mitchell. Wait, yeah, that goddamn Davion Mitchell and brother. Kaleel, Kaleel, Kaleel where? Yeah, Kaleel where? He from the career. Hey, he from where Joe? He from he from low rock. He from the career. Hey, young, young boy, young boy showed up man especially in the offense and defense in grabbing them goddamn boys and crashing it. Yeah. Giving us second chance points, which is one of the reasons why we was able to keep this goddamn game close. How cares do they did? And they got them. Is it Andre Wiggins? Andrew Wiggins. Andrew, Andrew, Andrew Wiggins. Hey, he gonna be all right, man. He gonna be all right. But what we do need to do, we need some firepower in there, Joe. Now, I know I owe you $100, right? I thought we bet it too, because you said bet, you said let's bet too. Because you feel good. You're feeling good about it. You're feeling real good about it. You know what? And I'm glad y'all sent you that $200 ready. So I done paid you already. But anyway, hey, back to the game. I think, I think, listen, you lose Bam, right? We talk about playing him getting 20 a night. He getting 20 a game. So somebody has to make up for them points. Somebody has to make up for them points. I mean, every, we did would be good. Goddamn, Dave Yon Mitchell had 28. Goddamn, Wiggins had 27. Think about it, Bam, Bam to get hurt. If Bam don't get hurt, I think we win this game. And we don't even have to go to overtime. It was, we was up, what, 111 to 108? We're 28 seconds to go. And then Goddamn, Kobe, Goddamn, White. I mean, come on, man. Hey. Come on, man. Oh, Joe, if Bam didn't get hurt, then maybe somebody else production wouldn't have been it's great. All right. I think was it a dirty play by Lamello? I was borderline, you know, you know, they borderline. What you mean borderline Joe? Joe, he intentionally tripped that man. That was a borderline players that I'm making a basketball play. So if it's football, I got you. Yeah. Tell me in the rule books and basketball, where is the you allowed to trip a player? It ain't nowhere in the room. Okay, so that's a Bushley play. Okay, so I thought, listen, I thought I thought Miami played good ball, man. They had God step up when Bam went down and they played absolutely out of their mind with Mitchell, Hero, Wiggins and Kill-L-Ware. But man, Charlotte has just been fun to watch all year, fellas, you know, especially in the new year, they've been playing great basketball. They got a they got a gang of guys who could who can beat you. I didn't think I thought Knipple shot a lot of tough threes early on. Okay, oh, Joe got to make you kind of got a got him out of rhythm, you know, because he was shooting with a guy glued to him. I'm like, man, them tough shots. Yes, you can't be in the playoffs taking regular season shots in the postseason, bro. And for a young guy, you know, that's that's the curve that you have to, you know, you have to learn because he was over six tonight. He didn't give him nothing, but man, Lamello and Miller and Bridges, they gave you every white Kobe all Kobe white. He the reason why they won the game. Yep. Yes, big play after big play after big play. He from North Carolina went to North Carolina home time back home, bro. Like he looks so comfortable out there. Okay, oh, Joe, I think when the Mello gets tired, because there were moments in the game where the Mello was kind of real tired. He got a few turnovers, few careless turnovers. I think that's when Kobe white comes into play. He can put the ball in his hands. He's great in picking Rogue and shoot the three create get to the basket. Man, he a this is a great back and forth game knife. Yeah, I mean, if you think about it, Joe, that play, maybe it's a flagrant one. But I don't know, maybe they toss him because the intent and it's hard to tell someone's intent. But when you reach up your hand and you trip the guy, the guy fall on his backside, it's hard to say it's anything but intent. Yeah. It's a Bush League play at the at the at the no matter what you think. And I think the Mello ball is a phenomenal player. We used to have his dad on LeVar on or undisputed all the time. Everybody knows how we think about LeVar, but that was a Bush League play because you put their best player out. We can't have that now. NBA might have to something to say about that. There might be a fine forth with coming forthcoming. I don't know what we'll see. But the Mello ball, he had to make that play because first of all, he turned the ball over and then he filed a guy out of there. I'm three point shot. Yeah, he was about to be the goal. Yeah, he did and not not the greatest of all time. Yeah, he made he made some ball head plays down. Yes, yes. So he had to do what he did. But still he wasn't out of the woodwork yet because how got down the court and it took Miles Bridges climbing the escalator. Yeah. Oh, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, Joe, this is possibly. Joe, I was I was hoping obviously I know it's hard with the time expiring. I was hoping when Dave, you know, Mr. was was was on that on that little break. Yeah, he hit the hit the breaks and everybody not flew by him. But you know, when everybody think you from the lead up. Yeah. Yes, just stop real quick. Pump one time. I don't know if you had enough time to do all that, but I knew his mom. Because you got to realize when he blogging. So just imagine. Yeah, yeah. And that trying to get the ball up. And it's impossible to dunk to it's impossible to dunk with people right on your hip like that. Huh, Joe? No, no, no. Oh, Joe, they don't know. You thought he said little dude for the do all that. I don't know, man. I don't know. I think if anything do what you can to try to draw a foul, you know, I mean, but that's not the situation where everything and everything and moving fast, man. So yeah, I think he was going so fast. Oh, Joe, his momentum was taking him. It was no way he could stop. They knew he had to go for a quick layup. He tried to get it up to high, but man, Bridges Climb. He climbed that tree and got it. Damn, man. Man, the shot making. I mean, I mean, look here. Miami won the game. Lost it. Charlotte won the game. Lost it. Man. Miami won it. Lost it. Charlotte lost it. Won it. Lost it. And then guess what? Charlotte come back and win it again. I mean, this is that was, I mean, that last last four to five minutes of the ball game. Yeah, I was excited. That's as good a basketball is that you're going to see it at any point in time. Because like you said, guys, everybody making shots three after three layup. Hawcans like, oh, hey, I got this Tyler hero hitting shots. Hey, one. Yeah. A Koby white boom. A Miller boom. And everybody. I was like, damn. When y'all start making shots like this. But for them to overcome two for 16 from mellow. I mean, you got to think about it now. They two for three over six. Yeah. They were bad. So Kinnippel gave them another he was over. So that's basically so that's basically two for 22. from the three and you overcame that. Between two guys. Between two guys. But you got Brandon Miller playing out of it, played well. Bridges played well, Kobe White played well. You got other guys stepping up and Mellow, but even though he wasn't really good from the three, he made other plays. And he got other guys involved. He had 10 or six, 30 and 10. For a guy, I think this is Mellow's first time in the playoffs. Well, I don't know what they call it. They don't say to play off the stats, don't go towards anything. I think they need to do that. They need to do something with that. Hey, what's the big guy for Charlotte? Diabate? Yeah. Hey, I like him, man. I like him. He play hard. He get a lot of them second chance points to where he getting extra rebounds on the offensive end. And he guards, man. Charlotte's still scared of me. For them to shoot the way they shot tonight and still win the game, I think there'll be a lot better next game. Diabate, lucky Bam went out. You know that, right? You know, he had enough bricks in his back pocket to deal with Bam. But you just love Khalil Ware. He just gave you 19. I know he gave us 19. I'm just saying, this is the night. I think the difference maker for us or the difference in the game is having Bam in certain shots when the lights are bright in a playing tournament, which we had already been three for three in the last playing tournament we done played in. And all of a sudden Bam is gone. And now we lose to the goddamn Hornets. Yeah. Ocho, you got Wiggins gave you 27. Khalil gave you 12 and 19. I know what they gave us. Mitchell gave you 20. Gravis gave you 28. Last time. Ask, give me the number. Last time, Debian Mitchell scored 28 points in the game. Tyler Herro gave us, what Tyler Herro gave us? 23. 23. 23, yeah. We're balling. But let me tell you something. We need some firepower. You hear me? We need some firepower. We need some firepower. Wait a minute. Wait a minute, Ocho. I know Bam scored 83, but you make it seem like Bam averaged 30 a game. No, he averaged 20. He averaged 20 a game. I said we need firepower. I'm not saying. OK, let me ask you a question, Ocho. We need these difference makers. OK. If Bam gives you, so if Bam, so you think Bam is going to give you 20 and Dave Young is going to give you 28. Yeah. Because if he shots his 20 points, it's got to come from somewhere. No, no, no, no, no. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. What you saying? I'm saying Bam would have had more than 20 tonight. Listen, I mean, we're having a 1918-19 tonight. That was that was good. I'm just saying Bam is a difference maker. He's the leader of our team. He's he knows to go to guy. So what? I got the idea. What's the name? Diabi Joe. Huh? Diabi, how do you say young boy name from Charlotte? Uh, that's the Ovate. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Boy listen, man. But but Bam were giving that boy hell, man. Mellow ain't had no choice but to trip him up. Toward the end of that. We got to get him up out of here. Yeah. Yeah. Toward the end of that first court, I thought Bam started to serve himself a little bit. Right after that. Oh, oh, Joe. Yes, Joe. You do realize Debian Mitchell took 24 shots in the game. Yeah. He ain't taking 24 shots of Bam in there. No. Debian Mitchell only scored 20 points or more once all season. Hey. OK, again, Debian Mitchell scored 20 or more points once this entire season. He took 24 shots. He ain't getting 24 shots with Bam. Nah. Nah, nah, nah, maybe just maybe, oh, Joe. OK, the shots that he was taking, they go to Bam and Bam make them. But Debian, you got to admit now, Debian played out of his damn mind tonight. He did. Crazy. He did, bro. He did. He stepped up. Hey, but listen, one thing about it, Joe. Hey, Pat Riley and Mickey Harrison, or Pat who I mean, Sposho, they got to be tired of just playing stuff. They got to be, they got to be tired of going to the play-in. Why not get what you need? What is it? I know what you're going to say. You get Yonis. You want Yonis? Hold on. You giving them a power hero. You giving them Mitchell. And you giving them, and you giving them where? Hold on. Let me tell you, let me tell you what we're going to do. Go get Yonis, who would be the most expensive. Then we go get John Moran. We need John. We need John down here. This is the right type of atmosphere that y'all need to be in somewhere where you can't, that bull job ain't going to run over there in Pat Riley's system. Hear me, Yon? Yes. Sometimes, Joe, I think this is exactly what someone like John need. And you can't, and no matter all that stuff you want to do out in Miami, nigga, Pat know he had everywhere you go. He going to get a phone call. Hey, your boy in here. I got to keep eye on him. What you going to do about his dad? Huh? Pat Riley? Oh, no, no, no. He ain't sitting on the phone. He's sitting in the box. OK. He going to be in the box. OK. You ain't going to be sitting on the floor acting a fool? Not at the casillus, you know? Uh-uh. Nah, he going to be on the floor, man. He ain't going to be up in no box. Hey, man, let's hear it, man. Pat running a tight ship, man. If T want to be down there and for a little listen. But we ain't having none of that. We ain't having none of that. Hey, two drink minimum. Two drink minimum. That's it. We could be cutting you off. Hey, you might be leading before we even get to the game. There you go. There you go. But I'm just saying, Joe, I'm just saying, Joe, and you know, as a basketball fan, there's certain things that we need to do to improve our team. You know? We haven't had a superstar since LeBron and D-Wave. And it seems like a team like Miami. Joe, Uncle Joe, who wouldn't want to come to Miami to play? You can't even get superstars to come here. Joe, and Joe, you played in this situation. I don't think they don't. I think the superstar would love to be in Miami. They don't like the conditions on which they'd have to play under. They've heard, Joe, and they've heard other players say, you get weighed, you get body fat, you get, but you have practice of the shooter rounds are tough. That's what they don't. You got to realize, Uncle Joe, if you come into that situation, if you drafted there, that ain't nothing to bam. That ain't nothing to Tyler Heero. That ain't nothing to guys that grow up in that system. But when you come from a system and shoot around and just bulljive it and you ain't got no way in it and you ain't got no body fat check and you don't have the circumstance in Pat Riley on your, you know what, that's hard. Yeah, it is. If you, your situation, you go into the Patriots. 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But when you a superstar, Joe, and you don't listen to people that's watching, that's looking over your shoulder, normally superstars, they go and come and they do kinda do what they wanna do. You nothing to do that there. And so when you've been doing what you kinda wanna do for the last 10, 12, 13, 14 years, and all of a sudden, it's hard. I'm telling you, it is hard. It's like, you at your office, and your boss kinda let you do your own thing. But now you got a new boss. And he on your, you know what? Yeah, man, the old boss, man. Yeah, I know it was so much fun, but he gone now. Yeah. It's a new, it's tough. It is tough. The A, they're waiting by the fact different, bro. I'm not gonna lie. Because it makes you conscious about everything that you eat. You know what I mean? When you eat, what you eat, how you eat. And it gets so embedded in your head because every time, like I say, if you don't reach these goals that Pat has set for you, there's consequences for that. You know what I mean? And it's grown as me, and bro, you know, it's hard to succumb to that sometimes. Yeah. Because you flying in, it's hard. You get done playing, man. You know that, man, a piece of wings sound real good. I can go from here, burger right now. Man. Damn. Hey, man, I can't eat no wings, no burger, no wings. I mean, no pizza and go to bed and sleep on this. Yeah, I know. Tell him about some, let me get two bags of tater chips. Yeah, all right. Man, you out of pocket, boy. Gonna have you missing Wayne body fat. I'm telling you, yeah. Hey, the funniest thing, bro, I'm telling you out of the funniest thing, bro, is to see people sitting in there, something. Right before Wayne? Hey, okay, old Joe, the sun will be packed. Everybody be, trying to sweat it out, trying to sweat some of them pounds out. Boy, listen, I ain't never seen a light that in my life. Oh my God. Yeah, I ain't got to get no hot tub in Steve because they didn't have a solid endeavor. They had one in Baltimore. Hey, show up, you go, I'm like, hold on. How you more folks eating pizza in a damn sauna? What kind of bull job is that? In the sauna? They in the sauna. I don't know. Man, they grab a piece and go get in the sauna. Damn. I don't know. Maybe it's just me, but I was like, now it's too hot in there. And they constantly pouring water on the rocks and it's getting steamier. Oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah. Man, hey, man, hey, put some water on the rocks. Nah, don't put no more water on the rocks. Oh yeah. I ain't never heard of that people eating pizza. Typically, guys going there when they try to sweat their alcohol out at them pours. I'm trying to figure out, guys going there, guys getting in the sauna, they start getting in the sauna, damn, they're Wednesday. Wednesday after, Wednesday after practice. Day in there Thursday after practice. Day in there Friday, day in there Friday morning. Then they in there Friday again after practice. I'm like, what damn, how much do y'all weigh? Y'all had to do that too long? You decide, huh? Y'all had to weigh in too when you was playing. Yeah, yeah, they had to weigh in, yeah, yeah. I think everybody got that. Oh, and football, y'all had, I ain't know y'all had to weigh in. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And you gotta pay a certain amount for every pound. 50 dollars a pound that you over. And it doubles every pound. Hey listen, I ain't gonna lie to y'all, I like that method, like that pad run over because it holds you accountable. And it helps your performance with a guy's know it or not where you ain't just snacking all day eating no BS, bro. Like it keep you in line, you know what I mean? But I didn't know, I didn't know, I didn't know football did. I think Miami the only team that does it for real. No, we had to weigh in. Man, look here, early in my career, I remember Dan used to have us weigh in on Sundays because he said guy was making weight on what, then the way they was playing Sunday at the game, they might've done game weight back. So he would weigh us in Sunday before pre-game. Damn. Oh, you eat, yes. Oh yeah, you're gonna be playing with it. Yeah. Yes. Oh, Joe, you probably had no problem. I've never had a weight problem. And I'm saying, but the thing was, especially once a guy make weigh in, once a guy make weigh in, Joe. Right. Bro, okay, you may weigh in. Now you got wings, now you got all this stuff, bro. What you did? All you did was get that water pump, that ain't no weight. Because once you eat and drink, you're gonna put that water back on. And guess what? Your body, because you dehydrated so much, it's gonna hold on to everything. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, hey, Joe, I ain't get fine at all, Joe. I ain't gonna get fine. Yeah, it probably won't never, you to make your weight, huh, Joe? Man, Joe, I was so little when I was playing, I was skinny. I mean, like right now, it's probably the biggest I haven't been, Joe. Yeah. But just imagine if you was running, if you would think about how much you ran during practice, and how much you ran, just imagine if you ran, that's what you'd be. Yeah. You'd be that right now, as I'm saying. You're not a naturally big man, you said when I'm gonna get weigh, so you're not. Yeah. That is not your genetic makeup. Yeah. No, and what I'm saying, guys will eat pizza in the sauna once they may weight, because we got pizza, I don't know how y'all get pizza, Joe, oh, Joe. We got pizza every Friday, we got pizza in wings. Every Friday. Right. So they might come in there, you might have 20, 25 pizzas. So you got all these pizzas, you know, I'm simple. I might get a slice, I'm going up out, I'm good. Yeah. Now they would, they, pizza and chicken. So we got Popeyes. You got so many miles, you got so many, spicy, you got, you know, probably 100 biscuits, you got chicken strips, you got all that. I like wings. So, hey, I get a slice of pizza maybe, but I got the wings. They got wings and my wings got my name on it. Cause I got tired of getting everybody that got the wings and gone and everything. So they would just bring me, Michael had them to get me four wings, you don't want four wings and a biscuit. Yeah. They're cool. I just don't know how those guys eat. We had guys, and I remember Dan told a guy, I ain't gonna call his name. He says, if you make weight, I'll give you all the money, all the money that I've taken for you in two years, I'll give it back to you. He knew, he knew do come make it. He made it. He made it. Oh no. He may wait maybe the very first time, maybe the very first time he may wait after they ain't gonna make it. You know what, that is only one position that have a problem with that. And they gotta be a detackle. You gotta be, they, the detackle is the only person, I mean, Joe, even on our team. On our team, Joe. Yeah. Man, listen, Big Sam Adams, remember Big Sam Adams? Yeah, I played with Sam and Goose. For real? And they ain't wait? Hey, boy, Big Sam got mad. Sam and Big Goose, Goose you way today? Nah. Hey, Goose you way today? Nah, okay. Ain't no wayin'. Come on, guys, we gotta get. Hey, hey, Joe them boy with big, Joe. Yeah. No, you gotta have some discipline, boy, under that type of structure. Yeah. I'm telling you, I'm telling you, bro. I think more teams need to adopt that in the NBA, especially cause we dealing with so many injuries. Right. You know, because I know when guys are at home and they just chilling, they snacking, eating Zuzuz and Wham Whams out, they, and y'all know, y'all know that power up. You can eat 800 calories to a thousand calories. To a bag of chips and some, you know what I mean? And don't even realize it. Oh man. But I was, I was, see I was cardio, Joe. So even Monday, Monday, even before we went, cause we'd run, we'd have to run after the game. I would do cardio. I'd get up at like seven o'clock and before I have to, because if we won, if we won, we didn't have to be, you know, you come in and get your work out in and we were off. I would do our cardio before I got there. And then I would get a lift in. Damn. And then I would, and then I would run, then run sprints that, you know, lose some of my legs was already loose. I would do cardio on Tuesday for an hour. I would do cardio before practice and I mean, before, before I left my house, I had a stationary bike. I would do cardio or I'd go to the complex where I was staying and do cardio. And then I would do cardio after Wednesday practice and after Thursday practice. Cause I have, I wanted my weight low. Like you say, Joe, I want to be disciplined. I, Mike, Mike's like, hey, and as I started getting older, Mike was like, you know, you want to buy it. You want to wait to go up two or three pounds. I said, nah, I want to be under the same structure. And I know it's harder as you start to age. And it plus it starts to get cold. So guess what? You bundled up out there, old Joe. I bundled up out there. I ain't trying to be like them line, but going out there with shorts and shirt off, cut off shirts, hell nah. And I got a thermal shirt on. I got a sweatshirt on. I got all that on. Hell nah. But I, but I, but I knew for me to be my best, I need to be, I need to be focused. I need to have tunnel vision. Yeah. So chicken and rice it was. Chicken and rice or turkey and rice or a little, eight ounces of filet. That's what, that's what it was. Yeah. Green beans, black eyed peas, whole kernel corn, stuff like that. Yeah. I love some guys, man. That's like, bro, man, we are the guy we spoke to. Okay. They give you a weight. Did they give you a weight to come to camp Joe? No, uh, uh, uh, cause I got to mind me midway through the season. Oh, Joe, did they give you a weight to Cincinnati that you, okay, oh Joe, your weight, the report, the training camp is 185 pounds. Yeah. No, they, they, they let me go cause they already knew whatever it was I was going to be under. How we get, they gave, I remember, they gave a guy a body weight. He needed to come in at, how you come in 11 pounds overweight? Damn. Huh? I was looking like, did you do anything? Anything? How you 11 pounds? I guess, you know what? I can't even see two or three cause you had to hold damn summer. They gave you the weight before you, before you leave. They give you a weight to say, this is what you want. This is what we want you to report back at. So you knew that. So seven weeks ago, they gave you this weight. Know them big boys, if they not in that structuring environment, boys hard to lose weight. It is, man. You know, I feel bad for people running. I run with them. So you know, they got, hey, you might, they might have eight 100s. They might have 10 100s. You might have to one morning practice and afternoon practice to get that weight off your. Yeah. With the, with the garbage bag on. Uh-uh. I'm running, I'm running with them. Oh, Joe, you know, I ain't got, man. What about, I feel bad for them. Cause if you out there running, everybody looking at you, they know why you're running. Your fat ass ain't in shape. Y'all had, y'all had them condition, attention, I just had to take. Yeah. Yes. When you come back right before camp. Yeah. I used to love those. We had those, we had 10, we had the 10 40 tests. What's that? You had to run 40, you had to run 40, you had to run a 10 40 yard dash. So basically, let's just say my time is four six. You had to run all of them things in like four eight or less. And back to back. Boy love. And people like, oh, that ain't that. Okay. Yeah. The first three or four might not be bad. When do you get your after six or seven? It's the day. Hey boy, them, they, they're condition, attention on Joe. But if you come in and shape though, if you come in and shape, you can breeze through it. You know what I mean? Oh yeah. For sure. It's the guys who ain't been doing that. Then you come in and try to do that condition, attention, you buy a pillow baby. Them hamstrings going to be on fire. Hey, I used to love them conditioning, Joe. I ain't love them, but I ain't fit a lie to you. I ain't love them now. Hey, y'all now. Yeah. You know, I come in, I come in an immaculate shape, not foot, not football shape. I'm somebody immaculate shape, just being able to run all day. Yeah. Oh yeah. Cause we the rain. Football shape and running shape with some entirely different. It's completely different. Hey Joe, until I get people pushing and pulling and tugging on me and me having to move and move around objects and move around people. And then that's football shape. But hold on. What was our regimen like, like when the season's over, let's say you took a little time, mom, for you to get back in shape, onk, you was a runner. You just used to like- Yeah, yeah, yeah. I had a track background. So let's just say at the absolute height of my conditioning, Joe, we were running somewhere between 20, we were running somewhere between 20 and 25, one 10s with 14 to 16 seconds, with a 45 second break. I'm saying you was doing that by yourself in the off season. I would do that by myself. I've run as many as 30. I ran the first 15 and everybody's like, man, it's too hard, I'm done. And I ran the last 15 by myself. So I put myself on the clock. Mm-hmm. Did you and your brother use- We might have 150s. So you gotta wait, wait, 150s, you gotta run, no, 150s, you gotta run say 17 seconds, 18 seconds. And you get a minute and a half off. Yeah. And people like, but what we do is that we run and then you walk back to the start. So we run the 200. So we run 2200s and you gotta make it in 32 seconds. Yeah. So we run finish and walk back across the field. By the time you get back across the field, it's time to go again. Yeah, Joe, my conditioning was so good. It really wasn't anything like I was doing, but I used, I played soccer during the off season, Joe. Yeah. And I did boxing. I didn't do boxing, not the fight, Joe. I did boxing strictly for my feet work. Yeah. And having somebody in front of you, Joe, is no different. My strength was man to man. Having somebody right up in my face, Yeah. With my strength. Yeah. And obviously mentally it helped me build somewhat of a callus, mentally not worrying about getting hit. No, you know, you know, when you spar sometimes and then you go on the football field, you don't care what's around you. You just focus on what you got to do with a ball coming, not worried about, I don't know, it's weird how that worked. And I was so fucking violent, Joe, with my hands to be a little person. I enjoyed, it's weird. I was small, I was so small, but Joe, I was so violent with my hands waxing off, waxing off. Like if something touched me, it was like I get it off of me because I know if somebody get a hand on me, I'm not going nowhere. Yeah. Yeah, I'm not going nowhere. Joe, I was so violent. You got a chop. Yeah, hey, Joe, I'm too violent and quick as hell. Like that phone booth. Yeah, I'm getting the fuck out. I'm sorry, my bad for cursing. I'm getting the hell up out of there, Joe. But as a receiver, though, that's what y'all told, right? With your hands, you got to be quick. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm throwing as soon as I move, I'm throwing something, whether you stab or not, I'm putting something coming up out of there. Yeah. But the running, the smaller thing, it was when we had the jumbo day, when you got to run 400s and 300s and 200s. And 150 Joe, those were the days. That's what got me. But it didn't really bother me because I could run the 400, so I really, I could pace. Yeah, you couldn't be like, you're supposed to do like 70 seconds or less. So I could do a minute, take three minutes off and do it again. So that's what, you know, I could build up like that. But each week we add and we get better and better. And then like two weeks, we start backing it down. Cause the one thing I didn't want to, hell, I didn't want to peek on the damn track. I didn't say something. But I got my ass in camp. What got me to run it like that is that when I first got to Denver and Dan, if you jumped outside, you had to run a 400, you had to run around football fields. And so he get frustrated at the offense and he'll, somebody's like, oh, y'all bulljibbing. And so he tells everybody to take off. Oh yeah. That football. And you ain't, remember I told you, I don't know what it was. All I did was, hey, you get tired? Yeah. Hey, on two, on two. Take off. God, hey, sharp. Man, I could have, they all told you I was out of there. I was out of there. Hey, that's funny. Hey, full speed. Full speed. And so, you know, we have two minute drills. Okay, you got to go until you score. Right. You got to be alive with a sharp. Come on, let's get, so we get a big playoff to start. Might break it back. All right, first down, first down, man. Damn, touchdown. Ain't no first down, man. Delay again. Even back in the 50s. Bad, oh, I'm gonna be on swole. Yeah. I figured out we scored, we done. Yep. They create their own scenarios. Yes, sir. Boy, oh, show. Oh my goodness. I know. There was days, Ocho. Yeah. There was days, man. There was a days. I wouldn't take anything from that. I wouldn't take, it took all of that. And you realize, because like, the likelihood of in two minute drill, Ocho, you scored on the first play, it ain't very good. Nah, no, no, no. Hey, Joe, you're not. You might get a situation where you get a big play, but I'm talking about just taking to the house. Right, right, right. Nah, Joe, y'all had two of days, y'all do two of days? Yeah. Basketball? In basketball? NBA? What? Yeah. Why ain't I ain't, I ain't know that. I mean, they don't do it no more though, huh? Man, I don't think they, I don't think they do it no more. But when I first came to the league, Ocho all the way up to 10, 11, 12 years. Yeah. Yeah. Two of days, partner. They'll practice be hard too, though, Joe. Man, what? I wish those players today could see how we practice. Back then. Hey, I'm talking about a good 2045 minute, Joe. Sometimes, depending on how many times you mess up. And both of us practice, and we have practices, we've been practicing both practices, Joe. Yeah. It ain't no, like now they got, I think now they might practice, they practicing pads in the morning, Ocho, and they got walkthroughs, or they got film study that afternoon. Film study, huh? Right. No, sir. Hey, so, same with basketball. Man, look, you had to be taped before, you had to be taped for both of them practices. You know what I'm saying? They was gonna go well over two hours. Now, I think if they do do two a day, I think the first one, or either one of them gotta be two hours, another one gotta be like an hour. You know, they just scaled everything back now. It ain't the same no more. Right, right. Well, see, that's what we see. When Mike came, Mike was like, okay, the second practice is gonna be based on how well the first practice go. Right, right. Yeah, they changed. So, you know, it might be, Ocho, we might have a 10, 10, 10 practice. Right. Office 10, defense 10. Office 10, defense 10. Office 10, defense 10. We are five of them. We tried to make that thing perfect. Now, you got the bull's eye. Boy, look here. I guess that's why the old hip say what they used to be. They what they used to be all A. But that was A. You got it though, man, because I was thinking about it, I was like, damn. And sometimes I was thinking like, was NFL as hard as college? I don't think our practices in the NFL, I think NFL practices are more mentally challenging, Ocho. Right. You me, not could be wrong. Now I don't know what everybody had, but I'm saying it's a battle state. Bill Davis got it. When Bill Davis said, I'm gonna get butter from a duck. He got it up out of you. I got it. Hey, look. Bill Davis said, I got to trim the fat. He said, I'm gonna push you to the edge. And I'm gonna slowly bring you back. Nah, just go ahead and push me over the edge. I ain't trying to come back. I ain't trying to come back. Boy, Bill Davis got it out you. Boy, and it's so hot. If you from Chatham County, if you from down that area, you know them saying that's a bad, I know y'all don't know if y'all know anything about Paris Island, but Paris Island would have been the Marine train. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And they got sand nests. And I had never heard of those. I mean, I knew what to say. I heard of sand nests because Savannah, the Model League team, that's what they were called. They were called the sand nests. So I knew what they were, but I ain't never had to experience, a little bit, because of Savannah country, they had them. Man, I got down to Ocho. Boy! I'm talking about Ocho. I'm talking about they had to tow me up. I'm talking about like somebody just like, just took needles and poked me. That's how bad them things towed me up. Some people call them saying please, but boy, and they were bad. It was hot, it was long. I ain't never heard of that. I had to Google that, saying that. Hey, hey. What they say, what they say, Ocho? Yeah, I'm looking at them right now. What they say they do to you? Sand nests also known as noceums or biting midges, or tiny one, three millimeter flies that deliver painful itchy bites, primarily in coastal, marshy and dam areas. Savannah, coastal and marshy. They call it the coastal empire. Hey, that mean they down here? I don't know, I don't know, they might not, they might have them in down there, I don't never, but I know they down in Savannah. Man, look here. My senior year man in fame got so bad, Ocho and Joe. Yeah. Man, I started me a bar in fire. They said, God damn, you gonna burn the whole field now. Man, I'm telling you man, man, I had to, I started wearing sleeves, man, they had me tore up. Anybody from Savannah, hey, jump in the chat. And anybody from Savannah, the Charleston area, a parasol in the South Carolina, man, they had me on fire. Hey, listen, I'm with you, college was the hardest for me, okay, Ocho. As far as from a working standpoint. Yes, yes, that's all I'm saying, from a working standpoint. They get you up at five in the morning, and they're running them heels and shh. Hey man, we did, we put in some work partner. Like, you know, I, at 18 years old, you know, I had some hard working days in my younger days, but when I got to college, it was nothing like that, bro. Oh man. Bill Davis told us they look, if you can't better yourself by coming to college, if college, if you can't better yourself from college, if your situation at home is better than this, you had the wrong place. Mm. That's a good one. You had the wrong place. Man, I couldn't go back to Glenville, man, working that hard ass job. Man. Man. I mean, I worked, I worked basically until like the last week, last week. Had to buy school clothes. Yeah. Yeah, what the hell about school? What kind of job are you doing? I was working in the fields, man. At that time, my senior, cause the guy that I used to work for, Mr. Joe Tatum, he had stopped half planting tobacco. He had really transferred it to like puttwooding, cutting down trees, logging, that situation. So he had moved on from that. So that was like my junior year, he stopped that. And so I walked for, worked for a guy up the road named Thurman Dasher. He had tobacco, so we still worked with him and some of the crew that went with Thurman Dasher. My senior year, I did landscaping, pour that laid asphalt, things like that. So we landscaped, and we had to be in Savannah. I lived in Glenville, which is 65 miles away. We had to be on the job. We had to be on the job like 6, 37 o'clock. So one time I got to be, I got to be up early. So the guy, Kim, I think was Tim, Tim Fair, one of the, it was twin. I don't know, I forget which one it was. He would pick me up, drive down to Savannah. We landscaped, we pour a lay of asphalt, do all kinds of stuff, and then come back. When I got back home, I would shower, go straight, ride my bike to the park, play basketball, or go to the field and run sprints. Ride my basketball, ride my bike back home, or my sister would come pick me up. I put the bike in the car, and we would go back home. I probably get home probably around 10. He gon' come, horn gon' blow, probably about, really, he didn't really blow, cause I was already out on the porch, cause my grandma might be asleep or somebody was asleep. So I was already sitting on the porch, waiting for probably about 5.30. Cause 6.30, 6.45, find a lawnmower up, Ocho. Ready to go. Ready to go. That type of work doesn't build character, boy. It builds something, hey. My grandad used to say, rise and shine. My uncle used to say, you told him one day, I'm a rise, but that day I'm sure he ain't gon' shine. But that's what I do. That's what I do. When I was like, man, and I'm looking at, cause I'm the youngest, I'm 18, just turned 18, and I'm working at, and I see guys 28, 30, 35, doing the jobs that I have been doing. I say, man, there ain't no way in hell I'm doing this. The rest of my life, oh hell no. With no insurance, and you don't have to get, the man done had the sign for you, okay. You done had, you know, you don't been on the bed, they done signed for you. Well, I ain't gon' be able to make it to work today. All right, well go ahead and send me the keys. Yeah. They tell you, yeah, he signed for the car. So he come, you get the truck key, you can't go nowhere. All right, I'll be out there in a minute. I see, man, that ain't no kind of life, man. I ain't felt that. Hey, listen, that's why I'm like you, I worked at UPS when I was 18, I was in high school, and I used to see all them old dudes in that East out, they all had back breaks. They like, Joe, you need to get your back break. I'm like, back break, shit, this temporary, I don't play any games. Exactly, I ain't gon' be long here alone until I have no back problems. I promise you that. I'm pretty good about it here. Y'all ain't gon' get nothing but probably a good month out of me if that, I'm getting up out of here. I'm gone to school probably, yeah. I ain't, what, what? Hey, Joe, man, look here. Them Joe could be drinking, they could be drinking that white pork, with that TJ Swan, they got to get them big can. Joe, you all remember the big cans, the OE and Slips Mote Liquor? The can by this big. OE, what's that? That's the Mote Liquor. The Mote Liquor, uh, uh, uh, and Slips was the bull. They used to have commercials. They used to have commercials for Slips Mote Liquor Bull. They used to have, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh. The candy. The OE 800, yeah. The can's silver, and the other one, the other one got a glass, a glass bottle. Big, I'm talking about big, I'm talking about, they had to be 24 ounces. Hold on, with the paper bag. Chad, look at what's in them, let me see. They put it in the paper bag, right? The brown paper bag. Yes, yes. Hey look, uh, Ocho, my freshman year of college, my roommate Larry Satcher, bro. This man used to drink 240 ounces every night at OE. Mind you, we both 18, I'm like, bro, how is you? But I'm talking about, he cut up though, okay, Ocho, boy probably got five, six body fat, percent body fat. The man drinking OE every night, 240 ounces. Yeah. See that was the can, the big can was 24 ounces. The bottle, that big old glass bottle, Joe, that was the 40 ounce. That's what he had, he drank two of them, bro. We were sitting in the living room every night, I swear. And chop it up, he used to drink two, Ocho. Damn. They had the Coke 45, you remember the Coke 45? Yeah, yeah. See they don't really have the, uh, the commercials like they used to have, cause you used to have commercials all the time. Sliz Maltlicker, Ode, they had Coke 45, Paps Blue Ribbon. Yeah, yeah. They had all the commercials on. They used to, uh, uh, if so, hey, them Joe would get drunk out there, Ocho. We ended up leaving, they go fall asleep in the woods. Man, look, man, look. They get drunk and fall asleep in the woods, yeah. Fall asleep in the woods, ain't, ain't, ain't nothing out there? No predators, nothing? Hey, all I know is they'd be on that damn truck the next morning. So I don't know what happened. They about to hitchhike and ride back, hitchhike and ride. Cause everybody knew everybody from Glenville. Right. And so if it's somebody from Glenville, hey, what you, hey, I'm, you just catch a ride. Now ain't never been no big, I ain't never been no big drink at all. No, but, but I just, hey, hey, boy, give me a big, give a, I was a little fella. I go in there, hey, uh, you know, you're not supposed to sell. Man, I go in there, get them Joe, hey, they don't want to get off the truck. They ain't want to do nothing. Right. Man, they give me, they give me money. I go in there, get them a beer. I go get a cigarette. I get everything I want, get anything. They sell it to me. I was six, seven years old by, by an oldie, cold 45 cigarettes. Cause I was young. Hey, I jumped out off the truck and go get some for you. Hey, hey, hey, Pee Wee. Go get me a, go get me a slits. Or they had a tap cause Mr. Joe would work the corner store. Christine Sapp, her and her husband. And they had a corner store. So you have a tab and then at the end of the week, when he pay you, you straighten up. So, you know, guys will get hot dog, get beer, get whatever they want. Hey, I go in there and say, Hey, put this on such and such tab. Big old beer, cigarettes, come out there, hand it to him. Double the days, you know, I'm not supposed to come to cigarettes back in the day. You know. Hey, hey, when you put, hey, look, look, he say you smoke the couple of cigarettes back in the day. How about it go, hey, Pee Wee, Miss Mary, no, you smoke. No, and you ain't gonna tell him. Hey, hey, hey, I might have pulled off one too. My mama gives it a cigarette to go light the fireworks. Yeah. I may have pulled up out that thing one time. Yeah, you took a little puff on that thing. Yeah, little drag, just see what it is, you know. My mama smoked them Salem Slims, the Martha Lights, all like. Hey, that's what my mama used to smoke. In the green pack? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's what my mama used to smoke. Yeah, what? My grandma used to smoke Benson and Hedges. Remember Benson and Hedges? Yeah, I know Benson and Hedges, yeah. Grandma used to smoke one. Get him by the carton. Yeah, that was my uncle's name was Winston. Winston tastes good like a cigarette shoe. They don't even have cigarette commercials anymore. No, sir. But when I was in the 70s and the 80s, that's all you saw. Beer and cigarette commercials. Yeah. Hey, I wonder if cigarette and beer sales are still just as good as they were back then, even though they don't advertise it and marketing as much as they do now. I bet you something, it's up there. Because guess what? You're sporting events. And that should be. You can't have a cookout. You can't have a tailgate event without no beer, don't you? Without beer, yeah. They don't even need commercials no more, basically. Shit. They don't. And I think they probably passed a lot. They can't advertise. Because back then, 18 years old, you could buy beer and smoke cigarettes. Yeah. But then it kind of shifted a little bit. People started dipping more. The Skoll came out, the Pautulist tobacco came out. Over the essence of they putting them out, huh? Yeah, yeah. You know, my grandfather used to chew tobacco. He had a red man. My brother used to chew tobacco. He was a Levi Garrett guy. Both of my grandmothers dipped snuff. I done dipped snuff, did I? I don't. Leave her on the country. Yeah, man. Granted like that honeybee. In a brown, it was in a little tin can like this here. Had brown paper. Had brown wrapping around it. Grandma Charlie liked blue navel. And bullet the wood. So bullet the wood was like a square, square of tobacco, and you take a knife and cut piece of it off. You weren't braving about tobacco. Don't worry about it. Give me a little piece before we get to you. Hold on. You just put it in your mouth? Yeah, yeah. The moment, I don't know if they, I'm sure they still do dipped snuff, but I don't know if grandparents dipped snuff and chew tobacco like my grandparents did. Nah, nah. Okay, okay. Yeah, oh yeah. But I'm dealing with the day, hey, send me to get somebody to get me a little something too. Yeah. Yeah. But granted, granted, choose red man and boy got a honeybee. That was the name of the snuff, honeybee. Boy, bring me some snuff back. All right, boy dealing with the day. That look back on that. I'm a call-spanning-the-martyr, man. Spanning, you remember we used to dip brandy snuff? Man, look, hey, hey, boy, look, I got some story. Me and the homies went to the, we snuck out the house one night, okay, Ocho's probably about 1.30, two o'clock in the morning and the woman got some black and mild. We had never smoked no black and mild. We got some black and mild. We walking back to the house. My grandma got a green, she had a green crown Vic. I seen that green crown Vic coming. I said, I know that they my grandma coming. We walking and smoking like we grown. Boy, we see, hey, once I knew my girl, we should have seen, we stopped, we just threw them. We threw them, right? So she said, get y'all, it's in this car. It's two o'clock in the morning. We probably ain't but 15. Man, soon we got in the car. She said, y'all been smoking dope. I said, man, what? I said, no one ever been smoking dope, no. She said, I'm telling you, I'm telling your uncles on you, boy. You thought one of some guys getting right, yeah. Hey, I remember, hey, Joe, I don't know. I don't know if they had, we all from Uncle Joe. Y'all remember Beaties? Little Beaties is like, damn, I don't know how to explain it, man, I used to get them from the corner store. What word, what word? It's like almost like a cigar, like a black and mild, but it was real, real thin. I think I know somebody who used to smoke something. Yes, somebody in the chat got to know what Beaties are. I just smoked them before, before I understood, you know, what cigars were at that time. Yeah, well, my grandfather, I think that's where my brother get it from. That's where my brother likes cigars. Because my grandfather, like, my grandfather smoked cigars and he had pipe tobacco. You know what I'm saying? So that pops tobacco, you had a pipe, you had a pipe that you dip it up out of there and pack it down up in there. So he smoked, he spoke from a pipe and he smoked cigars. And you know, a lot of them old men really, they rolled their cigarettes. You see, they had Prince Albert or they smoked a parmol which didn't have filters. So them old men was like, hey, man. Hey, hey. Them old men had some lugs on them. Hey, boy, listen, God rest my grandpa's soul, boy, but he smoked number day gas on an old Joe. I'm talking about the whole house, man. Like, you hear me? 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