Brandy and Julie, America’s Next Top Model, RHOBH, Epstein

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And all I can think about is how much both of you, how much Brandy would love the glam, how much Julie would love the car, how you guys would both love the old-fashioned houses. And I'm like, sorry, nerds doing taxes. nerds being responsible it's true sorry it is true and now we're leaving to Minneapolis and we'll not I wasn't going to brag about myself but I mean here I am like looking so like I walked out of 1968 I love the people behind you that is so fabulous that was Roger Moore's house that now Martin Ballard has owned and redone for a decade. And he had an event there. No, we weren't invited to that, though. Well, that one was Valentine's Day. I don't know. We know. But you look so good. Just teasing you. But the next day was so good, too. I know. I know. I love this picture. And then yesterday I went on the double-decker bus with Shannon and her pickleball friends. How was it? I'm squeezing in on that friendship. She's like... And so So anyway, really fun. It was two and a half hours on the Double Ducker Bot because we thought it was going to rain and it did not rain. Oh. And I loved it. It was like nostalgic. You know, it was fun. But now for next year, like I know exactly the events and things to do. Like there's this, there's a house you can go into that's like up in the mountains. That's a tour. And that one I want to go to. Like, I want to go, like, now that I've done a couple things, I'm like, okay, next year I can do two more. Because there's so many things to choose from. Do you go in the houses or do you just look at the outside? We went into one of the houses and then there happened to be two open houses on that street. So it was like, those were free. But then you, like, do a little tour where, like, a volunteer, like, a persnickety gay guy is, like, knows everything but is, like, a delight. We'll tell you everything, how they did the house, they redid the house, blah, blah, blah. And, yeah, it's just, like, jam. I just want to go back. It's all. And then they showed us where they filmed or took the likeness for Don't Worry About It, Darling. Don't Worry Darling. Don't Worry Darling, which is just like the one in the Palm Springs where they each had like a different colored door and a different colored car. When they all. The ending was weird. But the beginning of them living in that 60s style was just like heaven. I love that inside of their houses in that movie, too. I know. Like a sunken living room. Well, now you know. He has a sunken living room. And then, yeah. You were in Roger Moore's house. How cool is that? I know. How cool is that? Just Roger Moore. Next year. Well, first of all, we'll do something with Martin on another night, just us. Okay? Julie and I need to be with Martin to discuss Erica Jane's pool area that he redid. He has so much going on. He's going to do a juicy scoop. I'm going to go to his house. Oh, good. He's got big things. really big things coming out that I don't know if I'm allowed to say. Okay, so now let's just, it was Valentine's Day weekend. But before we get into that, as of now, Nancy Guthrie still has not been found. And there's been some weirder things to it. One of the things that the TikTokers have brought up, and now even page six and other people are talking about it, is there was this one guy that was like a neighbor. that said, I don't know, like he inserted himself into it. And he's like, I don't know. I would look at the brother-in-law or whatever. And one of the photos from the cam, from the ring cam, the person's wearing a glove and it looks like they have a ring on. And so they noticed that guy talking in the neighborhood to have a ring that would look to be that shape. I think it's a bit of a stretch. I think if I had this ring on, it would probably look like that under a glove, but I don't know. and his ring was more like a medallion. I mean, geez, you're going to just say that? I'm not saying I was there, but if it was my ring, I don't even know Nancy. I don't know what you're talking about. I saw the video, and it's a flat, it's a flat, like a medallion, almost like a class ring, kind of like a flat. Like a men's, like royal ring. Yes, where you already have maybe slight writing on it and kind of be thick gold. Not a wedding ring. Yeah. Not a jewel. The guy had a weird vibe, though. Yeah. So between the ring kind of matching and then him inserting himself and not only inserting himself, but then saying it's the brother-in-law, you know, it was giving like Idaho murders. Remember how that guy kind of couldn't keep off the message board? Yes, exactly. Which is something that happens a lot where they show up or they're the ones leading the search or whatever. They're there at the vigil. Then Harvey Levin, I saw four hours ago, one of the news sources said, TMZ is going to stop reporting on the tips that they get. And then I opened the phone right before we were about to record. One hour ago, Harvey Levin, we've got a hot tip. We got another letter from the person, why they keep sending it there. He also said, now they think that she might be in Mexico. Well, how did she get in Mexico? Did they also take her passport? I mean, the thing about it is she, you know, she's an older woman. She doesn't have a distinct look. You know, even if you put a wig on her glasses, you wouldn't say. Literally, I sent you a photo of a woman enjoying our favorite salad at Porta Villa on El Paseo. And I said, do you think Nancy just drove from Arizona to Palm Desert just to get away and is just enjoying that dill salad, that portaville salad? But between your ring and you spotting her in Palm Desert, it's becoming clearer and clearer. Oh, my God. I mean, they also had a, I think, an archbishop from, I don't think he's the Catholic archbishop. They have archbishops like in Episcopalian or – anyway, Presbyterian. Anyway, somebody of high religious order prayed with the coast of the Today Show today. Oh, that's weird. And it is weird. That's weird. There was another weird thing where another person discovered that Savannah's husband – and I know people are like, leave her alone. I don't care. This is Juicy Scoop. This is all everyone's talking about. I'm going to tell you the stuff that we found. I'm not accusing anybody. I'm saying what people are putting together since nobody can find her. And the other day they're like, oh, there was a lot. There was even like something where I saw like, oh, we found a dropped glove. Yeah. Like they're doing like OJ. Like really a dropped glove matches the DNA that touched the, I don't even know. It's like ridiculous. It's really weird. It's fucking weird. And so they said, where is Savannah? Because the sister and the brother-in-law have been seen in Tucson. Her husband, who I who did have a business with the Clintons, who did have a company that like was PR and for politics called Gwerk or something like that. So he is connected. She did interview Epstein victims at a time. She did write a book that in the book, someone read a portion of the book that as children, her cousin would kidnap she and her sister for fun and take them away for three days. And then the mom would play along with it. They'd be like, we have your daughters. And the mom would play along with it. What? It's in one of her memoirs or one of her books about spirituality, Savannah. Oh, because it's part of spirituality. Part of spirituality? Getting kidnapped. I mean, we all talked about being kidnapped. We all talked about, you know, you were adopted. Your older brother would tell you you were adopted. Whatever. I'm not saying. I'm just saying all the weird things, okay? Yeah. The other one was when she did her video, she's like sitting outside near like a succulent type of plant. It could be in North Hollywood. It could be in Tucson. It could be whatever. And this girl goes, oh, there's a white stucco behind her. But that's not the outside of Nancy's house, and that's not the outside of Annie's house. Where is Savannah if she's not been spotted in Tucson since it started? Not at a restaurant, not in front of the house, not just in the little videos that we've seen, one with the family and then one with her alone, still thanking for prayers. Could be an Airbnb. We don't know. I am just saying as we this is the only story that they're feeding us and we don't know where this woman is. I'm helping trying to help find her with my ring and my spot. I honestly this is the most confusing, bizarre, weird, shady. I mean, it's like there's nothing to hold on to. It's awful. It just makes me think of my own mother if this were to happen to my own mother. Now, I don't think someone would withstand my own mother. I think if they came into the house and they tried anything, I think her Jewish motherness would literally, they just wouldn't be able to. Like, what are you doing here? Lay on! Like, there would be no way to withstand her. But, like, I don't. Or she'd maybe be the type that would be like, well, you shouldn't do it. of course what if you're gonna do a proper kidnapping what you should have done exactly and that's the photo you choose that's right i don't yeah you don't that's how you open a door that's how you open a door no i'm not i can't you you did you're exactly right she would literally shame them i just feel so bad for nancy like whatever happened to nancy i can't i mean i just it's just awful it could just be one of those super bizarre things or did they it could it happened with a you know it was a very bizarre thing that happened with elizabeth smart you know and she was found years later not years months later but i mean we just don't know there have been weird things and and we just hope that the it's okay i just don't know the motive unless it's money in which case right i would you know hope that they pay the money and try to like get her back. Plus at this point too every single thing, my mind right now is so deep into Epstein that like every single thing is connected. Somehow connected and I don't know how. It's like everything's connected. And I don't know what the theory is. I don't have I can't say this is what I think. Yeah. Because I don't know and it changes every day and I just think you know sometimes now when things pass and they're like but we will pay you but it's Bitcoin but why are you going to Harvey Levin and like I just feel Like, who knows? It's just at a certain point. And then when does all of a sudden they stop reporting on it? It's yeah. And the Bitcoin is it's just all of it. It's just all of it. It's just so weird. And even at the beginning, when the first second it started, the sheriff, they made such a huge. Listen, and not that they shouldn't, but people get kidnapped and killed. And there's a lot of horrible things that happen to people every single day that go under the radar, are not reported or whatever. And the level that they came out with this also seemed weird. I mean, they just found 75 kids in L.A. that were being trafficked between the ages, girls and boys, 13 to 15, 75 in just L.A. So those kids were all missing. Those kids, nobody knew where they were. They still haven't arrested David, the singer, in the crime where the girl was found in a Tesla. Oh, right. They haven't? Is he missing? Is he missing? No. He's just not arrested. Oh, I guess they know. They just haven't arrested him yet. I don't know. Okay. So it was, it was, look at, look who liked it, by the way. I love it. In my photo that I took. Yes. This is Portia, who is enjoying a lesbian love affair. Love it. This Valentine's Day. Lesbian Valentine's. Lesbian Valentine's Day. Which is a fun part is when they were in, I think they were in Thailand or Vietnam, when they did their ultimate girls trip and she was there and there was that cute guy who was the butler of the house. Yeah, that. Is that in Thailand? And they got showing that Pepsi or whatever his dumbass name is. And he says, you're going to be a lesbian. And she goes, what? He's like, you're going to be a lesbian. And they show that. And then anyway, now she's a lesbian. I don't remember that. I don't remember any of that. He might have been saying something else, but it sounds like that. And people have made it, like, funny because now she is in love. Happy the lesbian day, Portia. This is quite a to-do. It was, you would have thought it was an engagement, a wedding. This must have cost $50,000 to $60,000. And she got a fancy Birkin from her girlfriend. It was people filming it and walking around. And I'm like, the production that these influencer reality stars do to show the world that I'm in love. Like, it makes me feel like if I was to do that, like, I like you guys should be buying my own gifts. And then I'd be like, Peter, just get up from the from the chair. Peter, come on. And then I mean, like, what? What? What? Stop it. Stop it. Okay, because then Brie, who is one of nine baby mamas and selling Sunset Realtor with Nick Cannon, someone argues she might be number one. I don't know. Someone argues she's between two and three. Many of the girls did elaborate Christmas card photo shoots that they all shared on Instagram. I think four to five of them did it. he participated in all of them good for him so then this girl brie was like oh no i know we all did christmas i'm gonna get you on valentine's day and he's wearing a phantom of the opera mask so at first i was like maybe she just got an actor exactly maybe she just got somebody to shove it in the other baby mom's mama's face but then the more i looked she and then someone's like in the comments wow he did a great job did he do it all himself and she wrote my planner helped and then people are like yeah and like you know imagine the person that has to take the photo now act surprised as you're walking in oh here's the watch and this is where i was like because he's wearing like the um head wrap and then i do think this is him i do think he came for this so then she had to show off her brace her watch i got this watch and i'm acting super surprised and then cheers to love yours in every lifetime this last thing that looks like you could do a light of cocaine off it looks like it's all in cocaine if only and also but just so you know to the other girls hey yeah cheers to love okay yeah there's nothing more romantic than than what i would feel so romanticized by than if you looked at me in the eye and said cheers to love yeah you know what i mean that really cheers to love hey cheers to love hey hey everyone cheers to love beautiful this is great i'm stuffed yep i have two other right valentine situations i have to get to i have to just change my jacket yep and i haven't seen any other girls do this so i think she might have been the one to beat him to the punch she might have even done this on the 13th to get it out i don't know do we think he's still currently making love to like at least half of those girls because valentine's is this would imply they are still doing it romantically involved as opposed to co-parenting more fun shoving this stuff in the other baby mama's faces and letting and having the world have more followers and having the world be like we're rooting for you like it's a contest yeah you're gonna be the one in the end you know or whatever i don't know i find it very entertaining to watch like i have to say instagram wars of the baby mama of Nick Cannon. It could be a whole reality show in its own. He could do The Bachelor, but he's The Bachelor with all of his baby mamas. And it's like, who gets the rose? Cheers to love. Cheers to love. Cheers to love with Nick Cannon. I mean, he is giving the men who have sister wives like a tutorial, I will say. He is showing up. And those guys... Cody cannot do four Christmas cards before he ended up. Exactly. But here's Nick Cannon with 13 kids and how many women? And each girl is gorgeous and put together and seems to have her own thing going on. And he seems to know all of his kids' names and loves them. So who are we to judge? Right. They're all so happy. Are your bed sheets piling or thinning or overheating? It's a sign that it's time for you to upgrade to Bull & Branch. Bowl & Branch Signature Sheets are made from 100% organic cotton and designed to hold their shape, stay breathable, and feel luxuriously soft night after night. You'll fall asleep faster. 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And how can we reuse all that footage and have a couple of the old stars come on to talk about how they were awful? And then we've got a three-part series. I mean, I'm ready for Rock of Love. I'm ready for New York. I'm ready for, who was the guy that had the big clock on his? Flavor of Love. Flavor of Love. I'm ready for Surreal Life. Surreal Life. It's a real life. There's so many more that we can do from the era. The Swan. Where are they today? What's the one, Hot or Not? What's that one we were talking about? That was a very short one. Yeah. Where Lorenzo Lamas had that laser. Lorenzo Lamas. And they, like, found, like, a squirt of fat. Ugh. So this show, this was good because I would watch it, but I wasn't, like, you know, watching it all the time. and what it was for those that you don't know is Tower Banks was a top model, she had a great idea for a show, kind of like an American Idol meets like a surreal world or real world. Survivor, yeah. They're going to take girls who have no experience in modeling put them through what it would be if they were to become a top model. However, what I realized in the series is none of them did. none of them became Adrienne Curry had some other opportunities but nobody became like a real model where you'd open it and you're like oh this the girl that got the cover girl ad is a season 4 winner like not one. Only Ava Marcel is arguably the most successful definitely but not as a model she went on to do more reality shows and she's stunning and a lot of the girls were really pretty but it was just like the swan when the Swans would leave and go back to their job at the, you know, at the, whatever, the ice cream shop. They couldn't afford to keep in their hair extensions and everything, and then the face would start to, and the filler would go down and then they were just left with, like, big choppers and holes in their hair. Yep. It's like you can't keep it up. This was very interesting, I thought. And they are going to probably do all the other shows, right? Because it's Reality checked. Yes. Inside. I'm sure. We're just getting reminded of that there was an entire different species of horrible people that made TV and watched it, but it was only 15 years ago. And that we were a part of that. Yeah. Exactly. We were all totally a part of it. We made it. We watched it. We were in it. And it's just like the recent past, and it is absolutely horrifying. Horrifying. I mean, deeply. It was like unbelievable. You'd think it was like from 1991. And honestly, Julie's upset, like, about, like, the girl who did not give implicit consent. And I upset about the amount of jeans and like you know color tops I was like if I see one more fucking set of jeans and like a v like top i was horrified the little rider jeans um i when i would watch it back in the day um i probably related most to janice dickinson i'll admit it i was like these these girls are not pretty enough to be models i understand why they chose them they chose them because it was a reality show. So we wanted emotion. We wanted a weird story. We wanted to see if they would fight together. And maybe we could do them with some blonde hair. But a lot of them, no. Like, I mean, I tried to be a model one day. One day. I had a real cousin who was a real model. A real cousin. A real cousin who was a real model. Like a real model. Went to New York, went to Europe, all the whole thing. And she was stunning. and actually we were not blood related which i should have listened to that part more okay but anyway um turns out she's not a real cousin i mean i guess she's not a real cousin she's a neighbor you know back then she had a perfect nose when you couldn't buy a perfect nose she had perfect teeth when you couldn't buy perfect teeth so it's you know and she said you know you're tall and you're thin enough you should just go and do a go see she's like just take some photos of yourself like innovating to different looks and go on a monday to all the places in la there's a way you can get the list so once one monday between the summer of freshman and sophomore year did you take the bikini shots i did my sister took them okay you know on the beach and everything and i wore a black dress and heels and got as cute as i could get and now all these other girls had the big books but back then those book big books would cost eight that eight hundred dollars a thousand dollars to do so i was like let's just see if somebody wants me then maybe i'll pay for the big book every person rejected me one person said okay i'll i'll see you walk so then i walked and they said you do have a good walk but you would have to get professional photos for us to even think about you again and then that was it i thought that's an expensive thing to pursue back in the day yeah now you can just go on instagram and do it yourself and be all different shapes and sizes but there you really like you know had to have a perfect profile you know you've modeled you've acted Julie's slept her way to the top right yes and Brandy has legit done modeling and stuff because she has you know a perfect face and a good nose oh that's so nice I mean I lived in Japan alone when I was 15 so I'm just like thanking God that I was too much of a bitch to be messed with, I guess. I don't know. I mean, I did a lot of dubious auditions and I would leave thinking, I wonder where that tape's going to end up. But I never ended up being like, I mean, I probably would have like done a casting couch thing. I was pretty into like trying to book stuff. Nobody ever tried. I'd been like, well, what is it going to take? With this show? Yeah. So, so one of the more disturbing, the most disturbing thing. Now, how, what did you think about, first of all, what did you think about Tyra doing it in her detective trench coat? Why is she wearing a detective trench coat? First and foremost, we came up with America's Next Top P.I. And the panel is Tyra in the middle in all different trench coats each week. Then we have Bo Deedle. He'll be on the panel. Heather, okay. We have Bo Deedle. Bo Deedle, that's amazing. Dog the Bounty Hunter. I love it. And then Nancy Grace. Now that's your next show as they find the next. You're welcome. You're welcome. You're welcome. Okay. You know, like I thought it was interesting that she did it. I think she did it because they're going to do it with or without you. So you might as well do it. And she probably already saw that people were attacking her because people look back and everyone on TikTok is 23 and have souls. And they're like, why the fuck were people so horrible back then? And so she's like, I need to explain where I'm coming from. So I thought she came off honestly okay. I know she's getting a lot of chrism. I think she came off okay. You know, and then when we get to when they end, I just want to go to that part. So there's the three people that were the regulars. There was Janice Dickinson who did not participate in it. I wish she would have, though, because she is the absolute best on the planet. And she pops up now and again through social media. But, you know, probably because she doesn't look the way she looked then, and people are very critical of that. And she was critical of people's looks. She came on my show, and she was a fucking hoot. And she wrote a great book, too. No Lifeguard on Duty. It's a great memoir about the business, if you like memoirs. And we like her. We've met her, hung out with her several times. Oh, yeah, totally. That's where I met her. So there's Miss J, who was this black gay guy who taught models how to walk, and she thought, let's have him do it. And so entertaining. So he's on it talking about his experience. Then there was J. Emanuel, who was – was he her makeup artist or her clothing stylist? So she picked him up, and then she got this photographer, which I couldn't figure out. Was the photographer straight or gay? They were saying he was straight. They said they wanted, they added him later because they wanted a straight, white, hot guy. Okay. But he's, might not be any of them. Well, I never knew the entirety of the show, all 27 cycles, that he was ever straight. You never thought? I had no idea that Nigel or whatever was straight. I always thought he was gay the whole time. Okay, so then the juicy part is Jay goes on to say, you know, at a certain point, cycle, and they call it cycle instead of seasons because they were doing two seasons or two cycles per year. So it had gone on now for like nine, ten years. And Jay's like, I just don't think we've done it all. We're doing really weird stuff now. We're showing we're going to do a shoot where you guys were all tragically murdered. And we know that your mom was shot in the head by her boyfriend. So we're going to show you shot in the head. I mean, it was really so he I don't know if that had to do with it or just someone becoming, you know, complacent in what they're doing and just kind of like is this all there is and I you know maybe I haven't gotten the raise I want maybe I have a couple people in my ear saying you could have your own show so he does write Tyra an email saying like I loved it but I'm gonna move on and then he was like and then I don't hear back for her for two days and then all she writes is I'm disappointed I never hear from her but then when we sit down to film we're laughing and filming and everything again and he's like and i have to say i'm on team tyra on this one like you you wrote that you didn't want to do it she's totally bummed about it same and you you said you wanted out so then what i think happened so then they all go on uh remember this show showbiz tonight exclusive they all go on the show because after jay says that but he still i guess has one year left on his contractor one cycle left then tyra and the ep claimed that their bosses said the show has dipped a lot let's do a whole new fresh panel so they they get let go and they think that she's put out the thing to page six that they were fired so then they go on showbiz tonight now this wasn't in the doc this is the juicy scoop well no this part well they insinuate how did it get into page six. Okay, I don't remember seeing this. Yeah, they say that. Like, they definitely think it's her. And she is like, I didn't have the say. It was the network. Yes, I'm the EP, but the network is the one that's like, we need a fresh thing, which I kind of believe her. I do believe her. And also, you already said you wanted to leave. So I think if anybody should be mad at anybody, it should be the two guys, Miss J and Nigel, should be mad at J. Jay, because Jay's the one that started the crumble by leaving. And so then they were probably like, probably when Tyra went and said, hey, you guys, just so you know, Jay wrote me and he's going to leave. This is going to be his last cycle. Then they were probably like, wait a minute. Maybe it's time that we shake it up, do something new, get a bunch of people that we can pay $2 to. That's what I think happened. Like, why didn't Jay, they were so close. They were such good friends. And we don't know exactly what happened so far. So we're theorizing. From what it seems to me, from watching it and him, since there's huge holes in his story, and she never acknowledges any of it and doesn't want to talk about it. Like, why didn't you go to her? Why did you send her an email? Why didn't you talk to her? Why didn't you sit down with her? Why didn't you say, I'm unhappy? Why didn't you say, what can we do? Why didn't you work together? You dropped an email, and you said, I'm leaving, and you basically just also... And blindsided her. Exactly. And then also, like, that's shitty to do to your friend. You guys were literally friends. And now you're the victim. In addition to there is nothing that drives me crazier than when someone quits a successful show. I cannot stand it. I don't care if it's if it's Julianna Margulies. Yeah. And she's the only one who then went on to the good the good wife. And she was lucky. But you are you are an asshole. You leave a show. You're making money. You're on TV. You're getting everything you want. And I get it. Create creatively. You want to maybe work, do something. have a conversation talk to somebody honestly have it but like now look where you are now like it's better go and say is it possible that i could do a could we in the next project make it that i could do this other project something like like whatever but once you send an email she got sent this email she probably immediately sent it to the the executives and also her lawyers because she's like, I have a hot potato. If I try to convince him to stay, then I could put myself in legal jeopardy. So he's the one that wrote, he put it in writing. He didn't say it over drink. Exactly. That's what I said. They should have sat down to dinner. I feel like it always comes back to money. Like sit down and be like, we created these characters on your show. Like Miss J and J created these characters and then even Nigel that were then taken and recreated all over the world. like Germany's Next Top Model, you know, all these places. But they didn't use any of them, and I don't believe they were getting a cut of the show. So if he would have just sat down, and even if she had said, I can't control that, or I can't give you 1%, or I can't guarantee residuals, then at that point it is what it is. And he didn't blindside her, and they could have stayed friends. I mean, he acted like they were closer than, like, brother and sister even. I mean, also, I think sometimes you're doing a show, and you are really clicky and really fun, and you have all this fun, but then you're like, okay, well, you can't do the show anymore, and the show is big, and she's in a position. I just feel like everyone always is so quick to just be like, you're Cruella DeVille. You're the devil wears product. Of course, but it's a woman. You're the woman, and you're an awful person, and we were besties. I was your gay bestie, and now you threw me off the butt. No idea. What am I supposed to do? like and I think it's like happened so much and I think immediately the fans rally around the underling and always just think that oh you know that's so sad I'm like you wrote an email saying you didn't want to the show anymore yeah exactly you didn't go to your friend and not to mention in fact you also I'm also not gonna I'm also not having it from the same guy who we watched tell girls over and over again just to deal with it yeah when you're being groped and when you're being made uncomfortable and when you don't want to do something or you and fine i get it they're models you have to wear what you're going to do but there comes a point and i don't care this is not 1987 this was 2008 yeah like she went to you in front of everyone and said i'm uncomfortable with this guy yeah and i don't appreciate it and he said just what nothing's going to happen to you and she's had to stand there and cry while that guy groped her in front of everyone so yeah that's you jay so how about that jay and basically what happened is there was a an incident where they invite these guys over from a shoot they get them in the jacuzzi and all the girls are drinking and they weigh two pounds so they have one glass of wine and they're wasted and one guy's hitting on this girl shond shondy and she had a very serious boyfriend and um and they have sex and yeah and And they record it. And they have sex. And then they go, well, the rule was if they go alone in the bathroom and shut the door, we can't follow them in. But if they go in with anybody else, then it's a story that we can film. So they film the fact that they took a shower together and that they wake up in the same bed together. And so she's just horrified and calls her boyfriend, breaks up with a boyfriend. And, you know, and she doesn't go on, I think, to pursue any kind of like modeling. And that's another thing that they all did, though, too. It's like, that's fine. She was flirting and she has to take some accountability for her actions. But at the same time, you saw that she was blacked out drunk. You saw that she was so drunk that she's probably not making good decisions. And so you all stood there behind your cameras and you filmed it and you allowed a man to have sex with her in front of you. And none of you did anything about it. And then you doubled down and you blamed her. And then you went and said, guess you shouldn't have cheated on your boyfriend. Guess you should have eaten something. And they also said they wouldn't give her her phone and they wouldn't let her call anyone. And she was like, then I'm going home. And then they're like, okay, you can call, but we have to film it. Right. To not even give someone a phone. But you put that wine in there and you let those guys go in there. But then when she requests the phone, so you don't have any rights in situations like that. I mean, that's the thing. And it's always the girl's fault. and I am extra spicy because I'm abstain. But it's like, because how many times do we have to see it and hear about it and go through it? It's like, but it's always the girl's fault. And then, oh, and then on top of that, Jay, you told her that she needed to, well, actually, that was you, Tyra. You told her that she needed to make it comfortable for everyone. When... Julie's obsessed with the girl that was being groped while she was dancing. Oh, yeah. So then they did this other video, this other shoot where they were in, like, South Africa or something. And one girl's there, and she's supposed to be dancing with three guys. And one guy from the very start was very, like, aggressive and hitting on her. And he was, like, touching her leg and everything. And she was like, I'm not, like, comfortable with this guy, like, touching me. And they were like, too bad. You have to do it. And over and over. And then she had to stand there while he – literally there's the picture, the final picture they used is of the guy. And he's touching her. Yeah. And then Tyra tried to give her some, and this is the one thing where she tries to sort of defend herself and be like, listen, I was trying to empower her. And that was the time we were living in. And did she deserve better? Yes. But I did the best that I could. But she told her, just be cool and say like, hey, bro, like, I'm not into that. And just be like, cool about it. You know, because you don't want to like make a scene. You don't want to like make it uncomfortable for everyone. Yeah. And again, it's like, no, we wouldn't want to, God forbid, we make the man who's groping me uncomfortable. They clearly were very irritated. Jay and the photographer, they're like, he literally, Jay literally stood up and was like, there's 50 people here. What do you think is going to happen to you? And I'm like thinking to myself, it's crazy that we had to go through Me Too for people. And I mean, women included to understand that you have the right to like take a photo with someone. I mean, we know Taylor Swift came out of hiding from the Kanye thing and went to court to testify against like a radio DJ who like put his hand all the way up her skirt and her underwear while taking a photo. Like you can't do a thing in a professional situation and that you have the right not to be touched inappropriately or groped. It's like because this was pre pre me, too. And everybody was just like, what do you why are you acting scared? We're all here. What is he going to do to you? And she's like, he's doing it to me now the entire time, the whole time and aggressively the whole time. Give me your number. Where can I see you? And it's like there's more – the spectrum of harassment isn't just now I'm getting S-A-ed in a room with a door shut even though there's a full camera crew watching it. But it's like we – they think – they make you feel crazy, and they made her feel crazy for feeling uncomfortable by someone who was making her feel uncomfortable. And then they had the thing with the teeth. Oh. Now, one girl – Did benefit from the teeth thing. she literally had a tooth coming out like a complete epitome not just a snaggletooth or one as I pointed I mean like an extra tooth was coming out the top of her mouth and it would make her smile be like yeah I'm sure they thought I'm sure they saw her and was like this will be a good makeover thing we'll do a dental thing then there was this gorgeous black girl that had a perfect face and she had a split between her teeth and they're like we want to close that gap with like the near like I guess make the two teeth bigger and she's like i don't want that and then they're like well you're not going to work and and tyra's like well listen i talked to agents and stuff that they were like what we and i'm like what about lauren mccall like why would that matter then a couple seasons later they find a girl that has split between your teeth and and tyra's like i want to make your split bigger so then that girl the original split between her two teeth beautiful girl was like, fuck you. 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Okay, here you're flying off the side of a building with blood being spurted on you. Interesting. I mean, it's over. Here's one where you're an elephant. Yeah. Oh, here's where you're a different race. Yes. Oh, my God. Yeah, the different race thing. And then they said if you were offended, and Jay then said he knew it was bad. His two parents are from South Africa, which ended up not really being exactly true. And they're like, but if that offended you, they did it nine cycles later again. Right. They then did it again. Like, the show's like... So, Ms. J sadly suffered a very debilitating stroke a couple years ago. She seems to be doing better now. Okay. Sorry. I think he goes by he. And did we miss like a full chunk? Did we miss an episode? Because I didn't see any of this. But Ms. J says that never heard from Tyra, I don't think. Definitely they haven't. She definitely has not visited him. Oh. that is that's sad it is sad however i don't know if you haven't talked in five years well that's true i mean you know it doesn't mean that you're not praying for them for a side and going wow i'm really sad about that like i hope i hope that there's the recovery goes well um but i'm not an apologist for tyra bank i'm just saying like okay so but this part i found adrian curry and she has a great Instagram and she did not participate and she did win one of the things and she went on to do was it Surreal World and that's where she met Peter Brady and married him and then they had a reality show about their life that she was married to this much older guy that was originally the star of the Brady Bunch as the middle brother and they eventually divorced but it was very very entertaining And now she lives in Montana and has naturally gray hair. She's still very attractive. So she did a thing and she goes yeah They asked me and I so glad I didn do it because none of the other girls got paid for that doc either They didn't get paid when they were doing the show, and they're not getting paid now. You better believe that J. Manuel, Ms. J., and Nigel got fucking paid to appear on that, and Tyra. But the thing about these docs, though, that I didn't even realize because I've done some of them, they don't have to offer you pay. So if you because it's like it's like a news story or whatever. Right. So it doesn't have to fall in the lines of like anything like that. So unless you say, no, I'm not going to do it unless you pay. Right. And then so the girls probably just didn't, again, think to ask. Or maybe they thought, yeah, I'll do it. Like I would like to, you know, whatever, get it popping again. but I just thought she was just like once again like she really came off savage like this is why I said no motherfuckers like and they were like okay we don't need you so no we're not going to pay you and they didn't I thought there was one where she defended Tyra too this is the only one I saw she's just like I don't you know they didn't pay the other girls again because it's classic you're now doing the documentary about how they were exploiting and exploiting them for a second time. That's exactly what she was saying, yeah. And also, that's why you didn't make it in modeling, because you're not savvy enough, not her, but them. Like, here you are again, just, you know, being a free bitch thirst bucket. Said with all respect. With all due respect. With all. Love Story started, and it's three episodes are out. It's on FX and Hulu. And so you can watch the three episodes, and it's about JFK Jr. and Caroline and their seven-year, you know, when they fell in love, got married, and when they sadly died in the plane crash with her sister. And Naomi Watts plays Jackie O, his mother, and she has the voice down, the whispery voice. Very well. And then this girl is playing Daryl Hannah because he had a long relationship with Daryl Hannah. And she comes off really annoying, Daryl Hannah's character. And I think the girl playing her kind of is a good actress for it, but she doesn't look like her. But she sounds just like her. I think she's Meryl Hemingway's daughter. Oh. I didn't know that. I just found out. Wow. She sounds exactly like Daryl Hannah. She's really talented. Well, and not for nothing, Daryl Hannah is also annoying. That's what – so people were like, what? So some people were reporting on it going, did someone in the world of Ryan Murphy, like, hate Daryl Hannah and wanted to just show her in the most annoying light? because you're like, he's so annoyed with you. Like, get a hint. He doesn't like you. He's not showing up. And you're like, and so, but then when you really look at, like, Daryl Hannah doing, like, an interview with Jay Leno or something, she does act the way this girl's portraying her. And so she's just, she'll be like, hi, John. Give him a big hug. I'm here because your mom died. I wanted to be here. And he's like, why are you here? We haven't talked in three months. well I mean hi everyone I'm here with John again and he's like what like I don't like you why are you showing up to the funeral like I've never talked to you in three months I like this other girl Caroline leave me the fuck alone so it's I'm thoroughly entertained some parts I think are a little slow not for me but I wonder if it's a little slow for other people yeah I thought it was I mean I'm invested because I I mean I like I'm obsessed with them just like everyone else and I am a sucker for when like the casting is spot on so in Straight Outta Compton you know Ice Cube's son plays him and it is like thank god someone in here looks exactly like Ice Cube in the Brady Bunch movie that bitch who married Ben Stiller I wouldn't have made it through the Brady Bunch movie and I went to Brady Bunch 2 at the theater because I was so obsessed with how she looked just like Marsha so in this case it's like they cast this guy and it is The guy is perfect. Down to the shape of his little nipples. I'm like this. I can't see this guy's body. It's the best match. You look exactly like him. Everything. It is crazy. Now, the only thing is his voice. I, like Googled, did JFK Jr. have a lisp? Because I was like, it's not strong. There's just something in his speech. And I was like, is he that good of an actor that he's putting on a voice? But it doesn't matter. Ryan Murphy's doing shots of like him working out from far away and I'm like literally my mind's exploding I'm like it looks exactly like JFK I cannot believe it I remember the scene of after his mother dies and he comes out to give the speech and I remember how he said she was surrounded by her friends her family and her books I always remember that it was her books because she was an editor of books and like you know and I felt that is exactly how I remember this is exact like this is exact so in speaking of that the big scene this girl um shannon hill news um she reminded us that there was a actual moment where they caught them fighting they had a very tumultuous relationship which added to the paparazzi following i watched like 20 hours of it and during the show i was like i had to go back and look at the fight because we haven't seen the fight yet on the show yeah the fight is coming up and they get in this fight like in um washington in Square Park. Yes, and so some paparazzi was following him that day because it was like some memorable day or something, and so they just thought, oh, maybe, whatever. They were always following him. And they catch the whole thing on fighting, which is like a little physical on both of their parts. And like, it looks like she takes off the ring, or he takes the ring from her, and they're engaged, and they're the dog, they have the dog with them, and they're yelling at each other, and they're hugging each other, and it just goes to show you. And I truly believe that Caroline was that girl that just could mind fuck a guy like no one else. And it's a talent I have never been blessed with. And there are certain girls, they are not necessarily the most perfect looking. They might not even be the best in the sack, though I predict she's pretty good. Yeah. But it's more of like, come here, now go away. Come here, now go away. Now watch me walk away. But I don't know. they know how to hook a dumb guy with their venus trap vagina, but also with their mind. They're so confused that they're like, what do I do? And you see John just sitting, the real John, just sat down on like a dirty street corner in New York and just like was like, I. Does this girl want to be with me? Does she love me? Does she not like I could have anybody, but like I'm so confused. And then we know that 99% of the show is, like, made up. So they're going to tell us what the fight was about, but we don't know if that – we don't really know if that's how they met. Well, it's based on, like, a lot of books. But a lot of the books do not say – No, we'll know and we'll ever know. Yeah. So there's, like – Speculation. Yeah, speculation. So the whole – that's the whole thing with the show is I'm not a huge Ryan Murphy fan in general, too. so I'm like filling in the pieces myself just like anyone should do while they're watching it and you have to make your own choice but I'm even obsessed with Jackie O and like should we call Aunt Lee and then remember when we all watched The Swans and we learned on The Swans, also Ryan Murphy that Jackie stole Onassis from Lee and so I'm like totally like I wish I was watching it in conjunction with The Swans for that So good. Yes, so good. Now they show his cousin, who is Lee's son, who is Anthony, who was married until sadly his death. He died of cancer. I believe it was cancer, but he was married to Carol Radzowell from Real Housewives of New York. And when this was happening, I said, I wonder if they'll get someone to play you. And she goes, no, no, I don't even think we'll be a part of it. I go, definitely your husband's going to be a part of it. and I go just watch there'll just be one small part like somewhere where it's just a little glimpse of oh hey Carol you know hey Carol and there'll be some brunette with like a wide smile and just I'm just telling we haven't seen her yet but I'm telling you I would not be surprised if there's just one tiny little because he likes to do that like how he had even in the OJ thing he had like the little Kardashian girls even though they weren't part of it like in one scene going hi daddy you know like just so everyone at home is like right extra invested and so we'll see were they on the on their way to carol's wedding on that he had already passed carol's husband carol radswell's husband had already passed when the three of the plane went down okay that scene though julie you should watch because it's the very beginning yeah and um that was i thought was a good way to like hook it i kind of like how they're how the narrative switches around how they'll just be like another episode will start and they'll just like it just starts in the middle of like just walking in a park and you're just like well where right and i do like that about it but to start out with that scene of the plane i thought that was like i mean you guys are making it sound very it's really good and for someone that like lived that time it it's like nostalgic and kind of make like of when i was single and when i thought i could like marry jfk jr if he It's all 90s music, too. Every piece of music is from that exact moment in time. Well, I will say this. Sorry, go ahead. I was a huge fan of his magazine. You were the only one. Yes. Because it was a political magazine called George. And I loved it. And it would do real pieces on senators and congresspeople and the actual bills they were doing. which is such a noble idea and we should care, but nobody cared. I did, and I want you to know that I cared, and I got the first and I wish, but you know, our house burned down, so I lost all the magazines but I kept every one of them. So you had the one with Sidney Crawford dressed in George at a crop top? Yes, and I had every Ladies and gentlemen, meet George Remember that? Oh god, it would be worth so much money now. Plus he lives in New York when he's riding around on his bike, like shirtless and shit. I had every single one of those magazines and they don't and if he were around today i don't know but he really truly for did make politics sexy yeah and he was the only one in the magazine was cool on the way to the plane right but the magazine was going under i know but it was it was good i thought it was already done maybe on the way to the plane he's like there he's talking about he's in a fight with with carolyn to her sister yeah who not for nothing he also killed um so the parents lost two children um But he he's like telling the sister about this fight. And he's like, God, all I did was invite her to a wedding. It's not like I'm making her go to the Democratic National Convention. And I was like, I know what that is now. And definitely at the time this happened, I had no idea what that would have meant. So weird. I deeply know. Look at you. I've grown up. Yeah. As a true adult that you are. OK, let's talk about some Epstein stuff. That is very interesting. So Gislaine, Jilaine, whatever you want to call her. We call her Gislaine. I call her Gislaine too. Gislaine is in prison. Now she did have a prison move since she's been incarcerated. I think she's sentenced to 20 years. She's been there for five now or something. She was moved to like a better prison. They call it a camp. Okay. And so she – they show her in her tan outfit with glasses saying, I won't answer any questions. I take the fifth or whatever she's going to say. And they show that Ghislaine's not talking about the files. She's not giving up names. She's not going to talk. So we're like, well, that's a waste. So then people – this one guy, Eric Moutsos. Eric Moutsos? Yeah, Eric Moutsos. He goes, hey, look, like, this isn't her. So watch your back, Eric. The nose is completely different. The eye shape appears to be different, but the nose is really different. And your nose doesn't change like that. You don't get a nose job either to get your nose bigger. And when she entered the prison, she had, like, a long bob. That's what I said. And now she's got the hair that we're used to seeing her in and all the photos. So it's a wig. It's somebody else. It's a wig. Because I looked at her old, when she had that short hair, because she had that many times, her bangs are so, so specific. Like, she has great hair. She looks great with short hair. And there's no way, first of all, it's so dark. I know they can dye your hair in prison. But if you guys aren't watching this on YouTube, what did you Google? Because I told Julie didn't know about it. And I was like, honestly, I was like aroused to be able to tell her. I was like, you're not going to fucking believe this. And then so what did you Google like side by side? I Googled, yeah, it was Ghislaine Maxwell prison compare. OK, so you can see. So you can see what we're talking about if you're not watching this on YouTube. But I was looking. There's no way I truly believe in my heart that you're in prison, you're in the jumpsuit. You're you're only going to be able to dye your hair. You're going to have a few grays, whatever. I just don't believe there's any way she'd get rid of that long hair when she can't wear makeup. She can't do anything glamorous. Now she's going to go back to the short hair and it's not even going to look cute when she can rock a short hair like no one's business. What do I think? I think they moved. They got rid of when she moved. That's exactly what I think. She's somewhere living maybe not a lavish life, but a free life somewhere. Maybe then they gave her plastic surgery. Epstein in those files also, you know, his girlfriend was a dentist. One of his girlfriends, he got to become a dentist. Why? There's a dentist chair there. Also, there's an email where there's like all these teeth from India being sent to him. So do you think that he maybe knew that at one time he might have to fake his death and need all new dental teeth records? That's the one thing you can't change? Well, they did have some weird kinks, too. True. It could be a kink thing. It could be both. But whoever this person is that spoke is not her, in my opinion. And I thought exactly you when they moved her, that was when the switch was made. And they keep on showing us, like, this, like, time lapse of her in her room, like, going from the bed and going, it's like, I'm like, why bother? It's like, you're overselling this. We don't get to see Jen Shaw, you know, like, in there doing her shit before she got released or Elizabeth Holmes. Why do we need to see, like, they keep trying to, like, prove she's in there so hard. I forgot Jen Shaw's out. She's out. What is she doing? She's going to lunch with Karen Huger. Oh, really? No. Oh. I wish she was. Here's a close-up. The nose. The nose sent me. The nose sent me. I'm going to say the eyes and eyebrows, though. Are pretty good. But the nose are totally different. Though I will say the eyes are different. Okay. Look at this one on the left. It's like a bigger one. Well, Ghislaine's what side? More hooded, too. This is the left side is slanted. That lady's eyes are not slanted. Also, this is the real photo of Ghislaine. The eyes are hooded, and then they're less hooded as she aged. That never happens. It doesn't go backwards. Just like your nose doesn't get shorter and fatter. It would get longer. Do you think she's alive, or do you think they killed her? I think she's alive. and do you think she's with Jeffrey Epstein? Is he alive? You know what I mean? Are they just living on the island and that's why no one's allowed there? I don't know if Jeffrey Epstein's alive or not, but I think that she is. Well, I will say in terms of that, that I always... So that she won't ever tell. With Epstein, I say too, they showed his body coming out with partially of his face, which you can look back on history. They've never done that. again it's like whether you got a mask made whether it's someone else it's like why are you I mean I've seen these masks like they're they're incredible yeah the mask that you can put on like now honestly if we were to do um you know white chicks again that I don't even think they have to do the prosthetics and the makeup I think they could do one of these masks and and not have to suffer like that and it could still sort of look like the guys underneath but they could i mean so i'm like i would so i don't even think they put a mask on someone i mean i think that's like a mask a person in the cia yeah who they're like you know they have their jobs and they all have to keep secrets and it's like this is going to be your job and and the person's probably like well i'm not going to that prison and they're like okay well you can go to the camp in texas and then this will be your job and you'll be in a private cell and whatever and we're going to get you your money through your whole thing and then if they can get her you know if Trump pardons her or whatever and gets her out then at that point maybe they will bring out the real Ghislaine and then this woman gets to go back to working for CIA I don't know but I think Ghislaine is alive I do too there's this other girl that was a big trafficker with Epstein a pretty blonde that is all over the thing and and got girls and recruited girls and everything. And she was also allegedly a pilot, though. They don't know if she should wear like a pilot outfit. I don't know if she was really of the Lolita Express. Anyway, the Internet seemed to have found her, and she's a monk. She's – or in some Buddhist thing, you can see the nose. I cut that off, but it appears that she is living her life now at like some Buddhist place, allegedly. I mean, if that's where you're going to, you know, even Sister Act. In Sister Act, yeah, one and two. Oh, my God! In Sister Act, one and two, where are you going to put them? We should ask Whoopi. Yeah, you put them in a convent. Whoopi went on the view to say she is in the files. But it was just, you know, like, you know, a mention of, like, oh, we need a plane for something for Whoopi to go someplace. Can you use your plane? I mean. It's kind of smart of her to bring it up. Like, don't throw me in this. Yeah. They mentioned me. But like Tom Hanks. And I mean, there's going to be a lot of people named that are. They ran the world. There's enough. There's enough right now of real names of people we know. Right. From professors to people in business and even some people. To the presidency. Yes. That their real name is tied to a real. Accuser. Accuser. Right. A real horrible email. That's talking about one-year-old babies and I loved torturing or say God didn't kill her type of stuff with real people. Like they didn't redact. And easily – Speaking of the one – What do they call it? No, redact. Redact. They did it. So it's like why are you not doing anything about it? The professor who told him how the babies could suckle harder is still at UCLA. I thought they did get rid of him. He technically can work out the rest of his year. So he's fired, but he's still there. He's on the website. You can contact the office. What are we doing? Honestly, what are we doing? I just feel like it's like I think they're trying. I think they dumped this on our lap and everyone on the Internet, every podcast or every Tiktok or everyone to just like figure it out. And then they're like, oh, by the way, all that work that you do, it doesn't go towards the grade. OK, this is all a big wait. This is just, you're going to forget about it in a couple weeks, along with Nancy Guthrie, and you're going to move on to aliens again. I don't know. But I'm just like, what do you, so are we just supposed to go, well, at least, well, at least that guy didn't eat the babies. Exactly, and that's what they are trying to do, Meg and Kelly. Like, they're trying to do that. So they like messing around with kids. At least they were 16. Yeah, like, or even if they weren't 16. All of that. They had a strict diet. So we know for a fact that congressman blah, blah, blah never ate him. Right, because he's a vegan. Yeah. So we at least know that. And what billionaire in person, first of all, I've never written about pizza or grape soda. And if I got invited to any celebrity's house or any rich person and they only serve pizza, I'd be fucking pissed. I'd be like, what? Every time I go to a rich person's house, it's caviar, it's catered, it's a wine pairing, and this is all they want? Like, you can't tell me that that's not something. You just can't tell me that's not something. Well, at this point, it's so beyond anything we could have ever imagined. I mean, my hope is that because so many visuals. How can they eat all that pizza, all this thin people? Plus, what about the cream cheese? A lot of carbs. So they're eating cream cheese? The most fattening thing ever. Because it's from the babies. Uh-huh. And pizza all the time. And grape soda, which is terrible. Get that meat. Yeah. Like, even though I do love grape soda and pizza. But I'm hoping that because of so many visuals, there are so many disturbing, horrific videos and pictures that people from the Internet, politicians to the internet sleuths are are suffering through that i don't know that there's going to be i don't know that this might be the time where something happens it's not happening now but how many because we have to put all of our attention towards nancy guthrie well they're trying it but at the same time that's trying it's also slowly coming out like these people like i looked at these pictures i'm i'm a changed person i don't know how to sleep again and it's like i You know what I mean? Like people are looking at things that we're talking about and we can only try and make, you know, to try and live. But they're looking at it and videos of it. Children screaming and being murdered and are and all this stuff. And then they're coming and they're talking about it. I don't know that there's there's something has to happen. And it's fine. Like, don't don't go and look yourself. Also, don't act like what we're saying is not real because it is. That's exactly right. It is real. That's right. It is real. You don't have to, like, just, so I'll try to talk about it a little bit. I'm not going to not talk about it, but, like, no, I don't want you to have to go through, like, I don't want anyone to go down the work. No. But I also want to thank the people that are doing the work, that are, like, putting this together with, like, solid evidence that is going through the things. Yeah. Yeah. So, also, I still think it's really weird that Ellen's set looked just like the temple on Epstein Island. And we never thought about it. Wow. Of course. There was a temple on the island, too. And whatever, you know, and all the people that have ties to all of this that had weird suicides. Oh, yeah. That's from. That's a whole to do. What was the name? Twist? That was the name? What was the guy that. Oh, yeah. On Ellen. The DJ. Mm hmm. Oh, that's right. And even the guy who was with Tom Sandoval in Charles McMansion. they did TIP girl, Lala's in the video, Ariana, that was when Julie and I worked on the Vanderpump After Show. His partner in Charles McMansion also was investigating, and he was, like, talking a lot about Tom Hanks, but he definitely had an in on, like, the Epstein files, and he had a very mysterious suicide Oliver What about No maybe that not his name What about the two what about the DJ Avicii or something He had a video that actually showed kids running away from an island and jumping like off a cliff and he was working allegedly on a movie about child trafficking with the two other guys that wrote that song about God, I can't sing it right now. But that song about they put the and the and the and the waiting with their mouths open and like there's a song about like babies and blood and all of it. And then even the video of we don't need no education. That video shows babies falling into a meat grinder. And that's like 70s. Children with masks on going into a meat grinder. Like everything, it's like there's so much. So when people say, like, Heather, you're losing your mind. I'm sorry, but there's so many things. So those four people, those two musicians that got together and sang, they both had weird deaths or ended their lives. Supposedly, Anthony Bourdain was also involved in this particular movie about children. So that all went away. Eddie Bourdain was 100% on the Harvey Weinstein thing when he – But he had that girlfriend, Asia, who was one of the Me Too people. But then also she had dated a 16-year-old boy when she was 30. Yes. Who was an actor that she did a show with. There's a lot of – Well, I'm like, she was an accuser, but then she was a victim, but then she was a perpetrator. And that was her boyfriend. And then in the middle of shooting, he ends his life. Oh, my God. Anyway, Ellen, it's just a little too coincidental right here. It's a little too coincidental. Allegedly. Allegedly. Allegedly. All right, let's lighten it up a little and talk about Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. How are you feeling about the season, girls? The entire season, as we know, is about manifesting. And, you know, as you've started your own successful manifesting business. Yes, I have. Mama, which has really been inspiring for us because we've been manifesting too. It's just like, I don't know, everything about it, it's like we watch it and I think like, oh, they're so rich. And then I go, how do we get rich? And then I realize, just think about it. Well, that's what I do with my business. That's what I do. I can teach you that. Yeah. And some people would say, well, you shouldn't spend what you don't have. But paying off my student loans does not inspire me to live a better life. But this Chanel purse, it does. It does inspire me to want to buy more Chanel purses. So I tell my clients, after you've bought the series of how to get rich with me, which is $7,500, but right now it's on sale for $7,300. Once you do that, take your other credit card and go and manifest that purse. And then when you buy it, you manifested it. It's yours. You know, you're driving it home because you thought of it because you listen to it. Paying off a student loan doesn't do that. Paying off student loans is like so dumb. And like what the other thing is, I don't know if you've heard this. And I don't know if anyone's like, you know, accused you, but they've accused Amanda of starting a fake fan page, which then goes and says all of the great things that they've learned from the courses. I have seen all those posts. Like, I've seen things that are, like, if someone criticizes her, someone's like, you don't know what you're talking about. She changed my life. And I'm like, okay. Like, what is the deal? The level, the grift. She's so tripling down. I can't. And I will say this. Thank God for Bose, because Bose is clocking her every second. From minute one. From minute one, she clocked it. But she's not letting it go, and I do appreciate it, because what Amanda's trying to do in every scene that she's in is trying to, like, move the needle and move the target and make it about, like, being a sultan at the dinner table. And it's like, you're not, every single thing is a, she's just moving moving and bozish isn't having it and it's great and rachel that's what i manifested i manifested rachel's out yeah it's she's so fun to watch i love looking at her yes i think she gives great advice yeah i i understand what she's saying about her marriage and why ended and why you know she's like yeah sometimes we just want to vent and if this is a reality show. I do think she chose to be on this reality show to fucking Barry Roger. Yeah. Because she was like, I can't do it alone on my Instagram, but if I'm doing it over drinks with girls, that's what I'd be doing, and I want people to know what a complete annoying dick he's been, and that he totally changed and punished me for it for the last 10 years, and took up with a young girl, and like, fuck you. Her seething fucking rage for Roger is getting me through the year. I mean, honestly, So I'll be thinking about the Epstein shit and I'll be like, you know, let me just switch over to Rachel Zoe and how she hates Roger. And I'm like. And she's also like talks about how she doesn't like people being mean. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like she does seem like a cool hang. Like she seems like someone you want to hang out with. When I was like doing my fun Palm Springs thing, there was this one when she was selling caftans. And I was like, oh, my God, I just want a caftan. And this just brings me back to this era of time where I'm like smoking a cigarette and I'm like, I know my husband's fucking the secretary, but I don't care. I've got a casserole in the oven and I'm just going to look gorgeous and spend his last dollar. She's so fun to watch. It's also good. Yeah. The other thing about Amanda is that she is trying to also double down on social media by using the words that people are calling her and then trying to twist it. Like, look what this scam artist did with all the fake manifesting. And it's just like, Manda, Manda, Manda. Now she's doing Kyle from Summer House. Manda, Manda. We see you. We see you. But, hey, I also say if you can create some master class, I mean, everybody, Oprah, Kris Jenner, they all do a master class. Yes. So did Tony Robbins. She didn't invent the wheel. She took it and did make it successful. And if people bought it, just like people paid Teddy to have her scream at them via text. Same thing. Like you, you know, then that is not a crime. It's not a crime. No. You're an asshole, but it's not a crime. And that is true. If you bought it, you take accountability and responsibility for it. Yeah. I do, and I do enjoy watching all of it. I mean, honestly, without Amanda, the show would have been really dull. It's true. Rachel Zoe is. Yeah. Sometimes, I mean, it's truly like they're on a trip together. If you've ever been on a girl trip or something, and there's, I've only had it once happen in the last 10 years, but we were on a trip, a girl's trip, and it was about 10 years ago. And there was, you know, one chick that just, we had love for, but she annoyed the fuck out of us. And it really brought us together. And it was, otherwise the trip would have been boring. The fun was, come take a walk with me. And then you'd bitch about her. And it's like, I feel like that's what we're watching. And it's kind of bonding them. And it's not bad to watch. Agreed. Was it Julie and me on any of the trips? Never. Okay. This is before. This is literally 10 years ago. Like 10 years ago. And it was just an okay trip. But honestly, the most fun was like bagging on the one girl that was being weird. Yeah. Like, yeah. Well, Jennifer Tilly, if you're watching and we know you are, get in touch with us. DM us. I didn't realize Jennifer Chili was still just a friend. I know. How is she not? Why? Because this is the most gorgeous photo of all of them. I love all their outfits. I love their old 40s look. I can't believe we just can't have her in this photo. Yeah, because she looks so perfect in that bottle or something. But she needs to be not just a friend. Maybe she's not even interested in being full-time, but she brings a lot to it, too. She brings so much to it. Apparently, she just did an episode of School Spirit, High Spirits. It's on Paramount+. Okay. It's a show about this girl that dies in high school and then goes and investigates death and stuff. As a dead person. I love it. So Jennifer Tilly just did an episode of that. But maybe that's why she wasn't around the last few episodes, because we've missed her. Give us a call. DM us. We have a proposition for you. That is true. It might be sexual, but maybe there's two propositions. Definitely. Yeah. Definitely, definitely love. Brandi Glanville found out what happened to her face. Okay, what happened? So she had fake boobs. I don't know if they're silicone or saline. But according to what they think is that there was like leakage throughout that. And it got into the lymph nodes and went up to the face. She said, I still had a parasite. But this is really whatever. They got rid of it. They're taking care of it. She looks a lot better. And so that mystery has been solved. This mystery has not. Do you remember this girl? I think she goes by Conti Chanel. But it has a CV. She brought up, I want to know what was the story. Do you remember like three years ago when that girl, pretty cute, pretty stylish girl on a plane, freaked out saying that that person in the back is not real. They're like a shape shift. She's not human. But then we never really heard from her again. She never said it was a joke. She never like, I don't think that she went to like a 5150 situation. What was it now in light? Like what happened to that girl at this point in 2026? I believe her. I know. You know, I do. When someone wins the lottery now, I'm just like, wow, someone from the future. I'd really love to meet them. What is that? Because they time traveled back and they knew the lotto numbers. And it's like, oh, you got the one billion. Neat. it's a time traveler from the future who had all of the lotto numbers you know how people say why is it that we all remember like the monopoly guy having a monocle but he doesn't or or curious george having tail but but then we have like the man's mandela yeah and even if you go to like your old book from your childhood you open it up and and george doesn't have a tail or the monocle thing that exists and it is it is a weird time travel i don't know they can't really be explained but it there is no way to explain why and it's like the bernstein bears and it's all these things that we like yep that you remember okay bernstein bears how do they spell it in your head okay um b-e-r-r- or bearstein or whatever it's called bearstein birds how do they spell stein like if it's berenstein berenstein b-e-a-r-n-s-t-e-i-n no it was the end of the word was spelled s-t-a-i-n stain yes berenstein really because that would be too jewish if it was berenstein i guess but how is it like i didn't i i mean if i what if i find this thing The monocle blows your mind too though. There's like 10 things that you, one is a curious George with a tail, he didn't have a tail. Yes, it's the monocle is the main one. Looney Tunes How do you remember Looney Tunes being spelled? L-O-O-N-E-Y-T-U-N-E-S T-O Tunes? That's correct. Wait, no, it's not T-O-O-N-S? That's what most people think. But it is T-U-N-E-S. What? Is it? Yeah. It is. Oh, why wouldn't they do tunes? Like T-O-O-N-S. But you were right. You were right, though. I know, but still, then I thought that didn't even make sense. So it's Looney Tunes. Yeah. But not Looney Tunes. I'm everything that's in my mind is wrong. There's also like Fruit Loops. What's with Fruit Loops? I can't remember what the Fruit Loops one is. Fruit Loops. There's that other thing. That's that Mandela effect. So there's the other thing where they put this in a real experiment they did. They took all these people in a room, like in a classroom. So you're sitting at a desk. They're adults. And they give you this super, super hard crossword puzzle. And nobody could get it. And just nobody could complete it. They went outside the door and they posted all of the answers outside the door. And then one by one, they all started to get it. like the first person, it's like the answers were in the air. And then once the first person then gets it and leaves, but they didn't see it. Nope. It's just once they were there and acknowledged into the atmosphere. And then once one person had it, then like the next person gets it from them and gets it. And they just all start to do it one by one. That's exactly what I'm talking about. They manifested the answers. I mean, I do believe in manifesting. I do believe in putting it out there. There's nothing wrong with it. No, nothing. It's like, And she manifested that she'd be rich as fuck, and she got rich as fuck. She was able to buy an expensive house. She was able to buy her Chanel bags. She's doing fine. She doesn't appear to be in debt. She got to be on Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. She wanted to be famous. She's famous. It might not be the kind of fame she wanted, but if people are still kind of curious and, like, going, I'll do her course. Let's just see what happens. I mean, women are just so desperate for any kind of like quick fix to love or whatever. I will do a little warning, though, for people. Now, you are a very strong manifester. And the last time we were with you from golfing on, you pretty much manifested. You were manifesting birds out of the sky, deer, families. Yeah. But then it's like, you know, then you start to depend on the manifester. And this is why, you know, people turn on Amanda. you start to depend on the manifestor to manifest what you want them to and then at the end of the night it's like well I mean you know we were trying to get we went to dinner and we were manifesting like something fun to happen and nothing did no and I was like why did we even go out to dinner we should have totally stayed home we were manifesting anything just exciting some kind of maybe we just weren't specific enough yeah sometimes I'm like so happy in my life I'm not asking for anything. Sometimes you are. I'm not even asking for anything. And you have to be specific. Yeah. Okay, I'll stop piling onto Amanda. Yeah, please. But anyway, girls, let me see if there's anything else. Okay, what do you think? We'll end on this. So, yesterday, Michael Jordan, I guess he owns the car, but the race car driver's family won or something, and the kid so they won some big thing together michael jordan yeah and the kid was right next to him and michael jordan at the time that they won grabbed his butt he couldn't have been he's not even 10 he's probably like nine grabbed his butt a bunch of times squeezed his little tush to get his attention because they won like boom boom boom boom and then like touched his bare late because he was wearing shorts and it went viral they've talked to the dad of him and he's like i've known michael jordan's family for years we're all really good friends i i don't think there's anything nefarious going on i understand why people might see it that way i just don't we're all good um what is your opinion did you see it yeah yeah i didn't i don't think there was anything um nefarious going on i will say though that i can only handle watching it like twice it made me really uncomfortable but with that said i don't think he meant it that way i don't know what he was thinking i just don't know what he was thinking like i guess if your family's close and you i just don't know i couldn't i was like what the i mean the only thing i can think of is I remember, like, growing up, people would always be – there was something that they were, like – I saw something, you know, where people were, like, old people would, like, take a child's cheek and pinch their cheeks or whatever. And I remember we were going to go, like, see some old relative of mine, and I'm like, I don't want them to pinch my cheek. Yep. And my mom was like, what? And I'm like, yeah, don't old people, like, pinch, like, fat cheeks or whatever? And so I do feel that there is something where someone is like, give me that tushy or like hugging that. And like, it's not sexual. Yes. You would think in this day and age, like you would definitely be made aware of it and be a Keanu Reeves that like is like this. But maybe, maybe he just hadn't ever thought of it. And he was like trying to get his attention. And he was just like, and chose to grab his butt cheek instead of like his shoulder. Right. There was like a little of a pulling of the shirt too, which made me think, okay, well maybe. People were saying he had ice or water down his shirt because they had dumped an ice bucket. There was something with his shirt that I was like, oh, he's not trying to just. They dumped it on the dad because of winning the race. And it was a huge race, like whatever it was. I thought that too. They're like, give me that tushy. But I don't think the, he just seemed like he was doing some dude shit with the shirt and then did it and trying to get attention. I just remember my dad in church, he used to like, like to like take our little ears and like rub them like this. Cute. But I didn't really like it. You know what I mean? Like as a kid. No. That's the thing. It's like you almost, I remember the first time I saw this thing, baby massage or whatever. And I like had this woman come to my house about how to give Drake a baby massage. Whatever, something weird. and when she told me how to do the baby massage i mean it was literally a baby she said like you're supposed to be like even though it's a baby like may i touch you here well i mean he couldn't say yes or no i don't know i just feel like hello i feel like i don't know i feel like it's such a weird place to be now it is your kid well now it's a very weird place and all of that and I didn't hate it but I didn't love my earlobe being touched. I don't think any kids do. I don't know. I had that too. I remember my butt being pinched a few times. Like I don't want you touching me. Just like anyone sees a baby you want to kiss the cheeks. I do remember one time my mom was trying to grab Drake and be silly with him. I don't know why it stressed me not so much but like he was like like no like kind of rude about whatever and then I felt this weird thing like I wait be nice to my mom yeah but I think it was because she had like long nails and somehow she sort of like inadvertently scratched him I remember it like yesterday and I remember it being just a really weird place to be because I thought he was being disrespectful but then I was also like understood where he was coming from but I felt bad for my mom because she was like trying to connect and i also knew like how many years left do i have with my parents like it was just it's just a weird it's weird weird yeah it's completely weird and if it's not your own kid though i mean at this point not right now in this moment even if it's if right now and stop and go you know what with everything in the world and don't touch other people's kids let's just i don't care if you and be and be mindful of how you touch your own and be mindful of touch you I asked you if you can give them a baby massage before you go, it's getting hot in here. You made him go take off all your clothes. What she's talking about is that song was playing when Drake was little. And so every morning when I'd take him out of his little onesie or change him in his onesie, I would say, and I'd unsnap the thing, it's getting hot in here. Take off all your clothes. I am so hot. I'm going to take my clothes off. And, like, you know, and, like. He's at this point doing a full striptease. Yeah. But we're asking if we can respond. And he's wondering why he loves that song. Exactly. We don't stop singing it to Drake. Ever. This is a sad day. I know. Did we break the news to everybody? But there isn't any big news because you're still going to get to see and get all your content of Brandi and Julie. They'll just be doing it in a different state while they do the theater arts. Nightmare on the musical theater arts. Explain everybody. to everybody where your show is going. 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