Reese Witherspoon, Laura Dave, and The Cast of The Last Thing He Told Me Spill Season 2 Secrets

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And there was so much to celebrate. we had Laura Dave's new novel, The First Time I Saw Him, which was January's Reese's Book Club pick. And then we were celebrating season two of The Last Thing He Told Me, which is premiering on Apple TV on February 20th. And beyond the book and the show, we were also celebrating something close to my heart, and I know yours too. The magic that happens when women take agency in their lives and become the heroes of their own stories. That stage was filled with actors and producers, writers, friends, mothers, daughters. It was a room full of brilliant women. And the vibes, okay, the vibes were immaculate. I'm not going to lie. The energy in the room was electric. Today, I am so excited to share that conversation with you. You already know you are in the right place. So let's turn the page with Reese Witherspoon, Jennifer Garner, Laura Dave, and Gowrie Rice, Judy Greer, and Rita Wilson. Thank you so much for the warm welcome. I'm looking at all of you and I want to congratulate you on season two, but also I feel like I'm with the Avengers of TV and film right now. So everybody is so familiar with all of your voices, but because there are seven of us here, I'm wondering if you can help me out and share your name. Please share your role in bringing this story to life. And then thirdly, maybe just one word to describe season two and how it felt creating it. Reese, this is your book club. Can I start with you? Sure. Hi, I'm Reese Witherspoon. I'm an executive producer, and one word to describe this show is thrill ride. Ooh. Hi, I'm Jen Garner. I'm executive producer, and I play Hannah Hall. And one word that is not one word is intergenerational family trauma. I like that. I'm Laura Dave. I'm the author of The Last Thing He Told Me and the first time I saw him, and I'm lucky enough to get to work on this show with these wonderful people. My one word would be two words, second chances. You're the author, so you get two words. Hi, I'm Angauri Rice. I play Bailey, and I think one word to describe it all is action-packed. Judy Greer. I play Quinn. I'm new. One word. I was thinking suspense. But I want more words, but I'm in a sick way suspense. Are you a rule follower? Yes, so am I. I'm Rita Wilson. I play Carol. Carol's my mom. Yeah, I play Hannah's mom. and I'd say the one word would be supercalifragilisticexpialidocious. Great word. Great. Thank you for that. I got to interview Laura a few weeks ago and I learned that she's absolutely hilarious. I also learned she's very humble. So she won't share these stats, but I'm going to. The last thing he told me became a phenomenon. It sold over 5 million copies after it was chosen as a Reese's Book Club hit. It became a New York Times number one bestseller. And you're breaking records again because the first time I saw him was the first sequel that Reese's Book Club chose, which was very exciting. What made you think that this story needed another chapter? Well, I have to just start by saying that before that first book even came out, I got an amazing call from Reese Witherspoon and Laura Neustadter, which is a call that as a writer, you don't think you're going to get, which is we want to give this a second life. And so from day one, it has been a pretty unbelievable experience. What's funny is I worked on the first book for 10 years on and off. so I kept putting it down I wrote two other novels in the process but I couldn't let it go and the very first ending of the last thing he told me the first last chapter I wrote was actually the last chapter of the first time I saw him so I think I was writing two books all along I just wasn't aware of it when this whole journey began just didn't know it Reese you read more books than anybody I know. I think more than anybody, anybody knows. When you read the last thing he told me, what about it said to you, I want to bring this to the screen? I think it's just the relatability of Hannah's character. The minute I picked it up and started getting into it, I immediately thought I could be this person and this could happen to me. This could happen to any of us. And it's that kind of every person experience in an extraordinary situation. We all think, God, if something terrible happened, I would know what to do. But you really thought about that so clearly. So I think you just let people love Hannah first in her complicated relationship with Bailey also, I thought was really the final chapter of that first novel is so beautiful that you just wanted more. You mentioned loving Hannah. Jennifer, I heard you loved Hannah from the get-go. You actually emailed Reese to sort of pitch yourself for this role. And I know that there are so many scripts that come across your desk. Why could you not let Hannah go? I hadn't read the script, actually. I had read the book aloud to one of my kids and we kept staying up way too late just we couldn't stop reading reading and I loved it so much and there was another actress attached and I just thought I can never think about this story again because I have an ache like a heartache for this character and then when that actress fell out for scheduling reasons and I heard that Reese wasn't thinking that she would have time to play the role. I mean, there's, I entered into the conversation with a lot of humility because we have been friends for 25 years and I did not want to be like, hi, can you put me in this show? But I just had to write to Reese and to Zach and to Lauren Neustadter as Hello Sunshine to everyone and kind of say, I don't know why I feel so compelled to do this, but I have to tell you why I'm connected to Hannah, why I feel so connected to Hannah Hall. And it really was her, you know, Laura and I always say, Hannah is the grownup in the room and she doesn't necessarily want to be, but she is. And I've had those moments that I just understood that in her so deeply and how committed she was to figuring out being a mom, which is such a complicated thing. And I've had those moments. I understand that in a really deep way. And then the action element or the thriller element is something that for some reason, this nice old gal connects to. I don't know why I like to run and fight and, you know, hit the men, but I do. And that's something I get. So anyway, yeah, I stayed up all night and then they had the audacity to write me back and I had to do it again the next night. I was going to say, it's so fun to see you boxing and kicking and all of that again because we saw you on screen doing that for so long. I know that we have a cast of book lovers, which is really special. Judy, you are such a book lover. Was there book recommendations happening on set? Were you guys trading Rex? Yes. I mean, if I think like, if I just go down the line, everyone here, I have read something that everyone has recommended. Laura, I'm reading right now, The Cocktail Hour by T.S. Eliot. No, actually, I finished that. Judy gave me the alchemy. Oh, yeah, the Journal of Alchemy. Is that it? No, the alchemy. Suleika. Suleika, yeah. Yes. So I'm on number like 50 of that. I wish you had numbered those. I know. Because I'm like, what? I did it myself. You did? And then Reese's book and everything that you recommend in the world. Okay. Yeah. And then Gowrie wrote a book. And then Gowrie wrote her book. She wrote a book. And she has a second one coming out. with her mother. Yes, yes, thanks. Yes, yes, I wrote a book with my mom, which was so exciting and so like wonderful. And it was chosen as a Reese's Book Club pick, which was just like the most exciting thing ever. And I found out on set, Jen called me into the trailer and they filmed my reaction and my mom was on FaceTime. It was so lovely. So yes, we've got a very bookish cast, which is lovely. Rita, did you have any recs that people gave you or any recs that you gave them in particular? The ones that I loved recently were Trust by Hernan Diaz, which was fantastic. I read Ann Patchett's Bel Canto, which I had never read because I went on a big Ann Patchett phase this summer. I read Ethan Frome, Edith Wharton, like I had never read that either. I mean, there's just, it's endless a lot there's a lot of books in our house we say bookie book books rule because my granddaughter said it once no you can make it into a meme to read it laura you had this totally surreal experience as an author season two of the last thing he told me was filming at the same time that you were writing the sequel novel the first time i saw him i've never interviewed anybody who has done that what elements did you feel were so important to stay the same between the book and the show? Well, you know, when I was working the book and started with three words over my desk and they were redemption, salvation, and forgiveness. And I knew that everything in the book was moving toward this idea of what are we willing to do to be forgiving? And which is a very different thing than do you believe in forgiveness? Do you not? What are you, what does the effort say about how we love people and what we need to do to get to a better place. And so I sat down with the showrunners, one of whom I'm married to, and said, this is where the book is going. These are the first hundred pages. These are sort of my bright lines of what's really, really important. It was a real exercise in trust. And one of the reasons that I felt so comfortable is the people sitting on this stage all care so deeply about these characters and they all are bringing something new. And the thing is that I think you can get to those words, to those ideas in a variety of different ways. But these beautiful things started to happen when I finished the book and then I got to start reading the scripts and see everything. They were still on episode six or seven. They were writing those at that moment. And a line that I wrote in the book about what a woman is willing to do to protect her family, someone had written a line of dialogue that Quinn says that like matched it and we hadn't even shared that yet so there were these like sort of spellbinding incredible moments. And Gauri did you think about forgiveness in this season because Bailey is a very different person. Yeah she is it's I mean it's it's five years later and so they've really Hannah and Bailey have worked so hard to become a team and a family and those years from 16 to 21 so much happens in that time and to have one missing parent in that time I think would have really been felt by Bailey I think when that family dynamic of one parent and one child suddenly becomes a trio as it did in season one with Hannah coming in that changes everything and then in season two that dynamic changes again and I think I was thinking a lot about forgiveness and letting go And I think something Bailey struggles with in this season is that she surrounded by grownups who have been unable to forgive and they're still holding on to old grudges and old wounds and they cannot let that go. And Bailey has to really think about, okay, what is the cost of that? It's affecting her life. She wasn't there for any of this. And it's changed everything for her. So what is she going to do to try and, I don't know, help the grown-ups around her kind of break that cycle? Absolutely. That was so well said. I think everyone on stage was like, yeah. Okay, so part of this season was filmed in Paris. And I know that the fictional reason is a bit tense. But in real life, that seems so much fun. I'm wondering if you have any Parisian memories I see JG and JG eyeing each other because we were all sort of looking on Instagram at your amazing photos together can I start with you Judy do you have any Parisian memories you loved? yes we had so much fun we had so much fun on our one day off but also at lunch we would sneak away go to lunch have an omelet, go back to set. It's very civilized. It was kind of magical just being there and be there with my friends. Like when would we ever get to take a vacation like that? Holy buckets. It was so fun. Yeah, I have a million memories. I'm not going to keep talking, but it was so fun. We got to do some very dramatic scenes. Oh, the acting. Yeah, we also acted there. we acted so hard in Paris you guys are gonna die when you see how much we acted I can say this because I wasn't responsible for it in any way when you see them acting in Paris in episode eight so everyone stick around for episode eight there is two scenes that are just gonna if they don't blow your socks off they will blow your socks off how was it for you guys because you're such good friends and you have all this history in real life but your characters are actually they have a lot of friction in the show what's that like we're never gonna play friends no no nobody wants to see that yes um we do there were there were times where we had to be separated because we would giggle. And then when we really, when things really got serious and our little Bailey was at stake, all bets were off. We just, we didn't look at each other. We didn't deal with each other. And then, yeah, we had to be separated sometimes. Sometimes because we were being awful and we weren't paying attention and we were goofing off. And sometimes because we just really needed to like focus. I can fully see the dynamics in me too. So like, isn't it all just coming to life for you? I'm surprised the show even got me. When I interviewed Laura a few weeks ago, I learned that you love quotes and that's something that we share. And so usually every week I ask our guests to share something that they've bookmarked and it can be a fun quote or something that they've saved on social media. But this week, because of your love of quotes, I'd love for everybody to share a quote that they've bookmarked this week. and if it's not this week it could be maybe something that you live by something that sticks with you because she's laughing I'll start with you Rita okay okay um there is a quote that I had on my bulletin board for a really long time and it's from the uh sculptor Michelangelo and someone had asked him how do you make these beautiful beautiful sculptures and he's from these massive blocks of marble. And he said, I see the angel in the marble and I carve until I set him free. And for me, that is a metaphor of what it's like to be a woman. We start at a very young age and we then develop these other identities that are either imposed on us or we think we have to choose. And at a certain point in your life, hopefully it starts to shift and you start carving away and chipping away at the things that are extraneous, that don't matter, so that you can arrive at the essence of who you are. That was so beautiful. Thank you. Deep thoughts, deep thoughts. Judy? Not going next. Angari, can I put you on the spot? I'll come back. I want to say it's a Samuel Beckett quote, and I think I had it on a postcard. I think my mom gave it to me on a postcard that's something like try again fail again fail better it's something like that about like it it actually doesn't matter if you fail and fail again you're you're just going to keep failing and you'll fail better and you'll get better at not being good at something which I think is um which yeah there's value in that you have to fail in order to get yes something Yes. So I kind of like that. And I had that postcard up in my in my bedroom. I like that, too. We're also scared of failure and it kind of takes that away. Yeah, it's we're all going to fail all the time. And then sometimes we succeed. And that's great, too. Judy, can I popcorn back? I don't remember an exact quote, but I was at a memorial recently for Don Misher. I don't know if any of you know him. He was such a wonderful man. And I'm thinking about him a lot with the Olympics on because he often produced Olympics opening ceremonies and things like that. And he, in his memorial, there was a quote, but I can't remember it exactly, but it's about seeing the wonder in everything. and so I have that written on a post-it note above my desk, but I can't remember the exact quote, but that I think of a lot because you want to see the special in the quotidian, and that's kind of what we do is we take the everyday and make it come alive. So something about seeing the wonder, so it's not really a quote at all, sorry. It's okay, it was still an idea and also I know that you read so much because you just said the word quotidian. So thank you for that. I also love Pan Quotidian, the restaurant. And there's one in my neighborhood, so I'm not taking credit for that big word. And it's also French, and you went to Paris for the show. And you were like, Pan Quotidian, s'il vous plaît. lauric may i go to you well i i have two because the first one's not from a book which feels sacrilege to like not be quoting from a book but um adam grant talked about lindsey vaughn's fall and he said something which i thought well first told everyone to shut up which i appreciated if they had a note about her choosing to take a risk and be brave but the last sentence of what he wrote was success is about the distance from the start that you're willing to go. And that really stuck with me. It's not about the result. It's about the distance to the start. So that was something. And then Jennifer here knows, I reread Heartburn by Nora Ephron far too often. It's my cozy book, even though it's about the end of a marriage. And if you want a really great listen, Meryl Streep does the audio book of it. So that's pretty special too. On the idea of starting, I just got to the end of this read. And one of the things she says in the second to last chapter when she's getting to a point of forgiveness is, and she can't really get to anything wonderful yet, but she's able to remember something that was magical between them. And then she says, and this feels like the moment where we start. and I thought that was lovely. That is lovely. Thank you for that. I only have things my mom says in my mind like weeping may last through the night but joy comes in the morning or happiness is your own responsibility or don't marry a man thinking you can change him. So those are those are Pat Garnerisms. They come from the Bible or you know Ma Ingalls but yeah same difference. They're all kind of mixed into one. Pat Garner Bible Ma Ingalls. truly wise words. Reese, do you have a quote? You know what? I read something this year I thought was great. This author, Percival Everett, who wrote this book, James. He won the Booker Prize. It was last year, but this quote really stuck with me, and it's apropos of being in a room talking about books. He said, the most subversive thing you can do nowadays is be in a book club. And to me, that means let's read books. Let's discuss ideas. we need to stop listening to people's opinions and actually form our own opinions and create community with each other where we're socializing ideas so every person in here who is an influencer who deals with books and reads voraciously you're part of the revolution oh i love that that got me excited at least yeah I'm Nancy Glass, host of the Burden of Guilt Season 2 podcast. This is a story about a horrendous lie that destroyed two families. Late one night, Bobby Gumpwright became the victim of a random crime. He pulls the gun, tells me to lie down on the ground. 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If it wasn't for the year where Ella lived, She wouldn't have died on that fatal night. You'll even get to meet my mum in that one, who I can always count on to keep my feet on the ground. I'm not too intimidated by her. What are you talking about? Listen to The Girlfriend Spotlight on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So, Jennifer, in the second season and in the second book, we reunite with Hannah five years later, as Ngari said. and at the end of season one you are in survival mode where is hannah season two um at the end of season one there was no season two so shout out to lauren neustadter and hello sunshine and to reese for calling laura dave and saying um we may need another book here and to laura for realizing that actually yes the story did continue and there there was a there was a ways to go. In those five years, Hannah wanted Bailey to grow up and have her space to become a young adult and go to college and feel safe. So Hannah has tried to put a bubble around her daughter while also preparing for the inevitable danger that would follow them. And as the first episode takes off, which is the only way to think of it, kind of a blast off, you see Hannah like you know this idea of competency competency porn like somebody who's so good at what they do she this hi Mary Howard She a step ahead of every single thing that could possibly be happening And she has it all planned out and is like the locks are falling into place. Boom. Okay. If this happens, then this has got to happen. Then this has got to happen. And then this, and it's so, it was so satisfying to read, to shoot, to play, to watch. I love, love, love Hannah's brain. And then danger catches up with them. And it gets really exciting at that point yeah and they're a team at this point as Angauri said they've become a family they've become a team and it only gets screwed up when um you know when daddy comes back into the picture do you feel that teamwork do you feel this shift in your character this year oh absolutely I mean it's it's so great because I think both Hannah and Bailey have committed to their relationship and there are moments in season two where they disagree and they have a different idea about how to kind of solve the next problem or go about the next adventure but their conversations are not arguments anymore they're listening to each other they're having a discussion and they know that they love each other no matter what and they're in it together um so I loved I loved getting to play that and and also that that they're a stepmother and a stepdaughter and that and that's kind of they've chosen each other as family as well um and Bailey is on a on a mission to discover more about her biological mother as well but that is that's a journey that Hannah has like respects and she gives her the space to kind of explore that so um it's just great seeing a mature relationship and a healthy one too. I have a great relationship with my mom. And so getting to play a really good mother-daughter relationship is kind of, it's kind of a relief in a way. It feels normal and natural. I didn't realize until you just said that about the choosing. That's part of what makes the relationship so exciting to watch, I think, to see you two come together. It's a choice. um judy it is so fun to see your character in this show i've never really seen you play this type you're kind of this power broker oh yeah thank you what made you want to sign on aside from your best no reason um i i really i don't get to i don't get offered roles like this very often i mean just like looking at the rack of clothes at my costume fitting i'm like i am in a different league um I I loved the I mean Quinn um she's torn I think it's really I love the scene when I see when Quinn sees Bailey for the first time because she sees her best friend for the first time in how many years and it is so overwhelming for her and and all of this past comes back at her and it is so hard for Quinn to not just like I think just crush Bailey and want to be with her best friend again in the version of her daughter and so she has to really like separate herself from that and I think it's also fun to play someone who's battling with you know two opposing ideas in her head like protecting her family wanting to connect with Bailey wanting Hannah to just Go away. Rita, your character is new to season two. You play Carol, excuse me, which is Hannah's mom. What excited you about Carol? Well, it was a character who made choices when she was a young woman to, can I say all this? Okay, to give up her daughter. and I was eager to explore that and also that there wasn't a, that the Carol character understood that there may not be reconciliation and that she couldn't claim anything to that reconciliation, but I think she had a reason for doing it which people can judge or not judge. But I think if it's a matter of life or death, you probably will choose life, even if the choice to do that might be very expensive in what you give up. What is it like to prepare for a role that sort of doesn't exist in the book? You trust the writer. you trust the amazing producers that you have. And it was those discussions with Laura and with Josh Singer and Jennifer that we were able to understand her in a more realistic way. Yeah. Reese, people so often talk about feeling seen by the material that you champion and bring to life. I see it on award show stages. I hear about it all the time. When you were reading a book are there three things you could point to that say yeah this is going to translate to screen really well i think the main thing the main other than being written by a woman because i felt like when i started the company it was really important um to champion female authors also that a woman at the center of it is the hero of her own story because i truly believe women save themselves every single day. And we need to see more of that on film. But the most important metric for me is, do I want to share this book with somebody? Because sometimes you read a book and it makes you seem smarty pants at a dinner party, but you don't necessarily want to share it. So I think that's a really important part of it. And that's what creates community. And that's sort of the main thesis of our book club and why we started it was just to connect people together. I was so not expecting that. That's a very cool way of looking at it. It seems like it would be so much more complicated. And you're saying, no, I just want to share it. No, it's pretty easy. It's pretty simple. It's like, oh, I love this book. I want to share it with somebody. I read one last night. I was like, oh, I can't wait to talk about this with somebody. And there's so few things that you get to connect over now because things are streaming and you don't know when they're watching it. And there's not like, you know, must-see TV on one night of the week. so books can be like that especially if you have a monthly cadence where you get together with a group of people it's really nice there's so much history and so many connections on this stage that doesn't always happen I'm really curious from an actor producer perspective what goes right when you have this shorthand with people I've never been on a set so if you could like bring me in and just sort of explain it I would love to understand first of all come to set anytime you want to, Danielle. Thank you, Reese. You need to come. It's magical to be on a set, you know? I mean, I've been sitting up here reflecting on the very specific, very intimate relationships I have with all of the women up here and you, including you. And they are very, each one of these women play a role in my life outside of this particular show. And there's a depth that comes in and an ease and a knowing and a fun, a mischief that comes in when you know someone and you get to do a scene with them. I love that word mischief. I really see that between you two. Jade. Something that happened that I just also think speaks to the magic of the woman playing Hannah Hall here is my very first day on set because everyone up here has been on set a lot more than me. But my very first day of season one on set, I was late because I was me. And so I got confused and a little lost. And so I drove onto set past two police officers who I thought were real police officers. I waved at them. They were extras, which I was about to find out because the very first thing I did was drive into the scene that Jennifer was shooting. Now, another actress might have reacted badly, Jennifer very kindly turned to me and said, you're going to want to park over there. And that is who she is. And that is how she is. No one would be grumpy with you. I don't know a single actress who would get grumpy with you. But that's who she is always, always. That is so funny, Laura. We actually have it on tape. Can you please release that on social media for us? She was like, hi, hi. And we're like, okay. Hang on. No one overreact. Don't scare her. She's an author. I'm Nancy Glass, host of the Burden of Guilt Season 2 podcast. This is a story about a horrendous lie that destroyed two families. Late one night, Bobby Gumpright became the victim of a random crime. He pulls the gun, tells me to lie down on the ground. He identified Jermaine Hudson as the perpetrator. Jermaine was sentenced to 99 years. I'm like, Lord, this can't be real. I thought it was a mistaken identity. The best lie is partial truth. For 22 years, only two people knew the truth until a confession changed everything. I was a monster. Listen to Burden of Guilt Season 2 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. 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We're taking you behind the scenes in our new podcast, Between Us, with me, Heather Dubrow. And me, Terry Dubrow. Between Us isn't about perfect lighting or curated Instagram grids. It's the unfiltered, behind-closed-doors conversations you wish you could eavesdrop on. Equal parts smart, funny, and a little bit scandalous. Every week, Heather will bring you an unapologetic take on the headlines, the trends, and the cultural moments everyone's texting about. And Terry will deliver insider beauty, health, and wellness insights you won't find on TikTok. Together, we'll tell the stories, spill the secrets, and share the hacks that keep life, marriage, and everything in between feeling fresh and fun. We may live in a gated community, but there's zero gatekeeping here. And plenty of, did they just say that moments? Listen to Between Us on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello, it's me, Anna Sinfield, from The Girlfriends, the number one hit true crime show that puts women right in the center of their own stories. I'm back with more one-off interviews with some truly kick-ass women on The Girlfriends Spotlight. I want to introduce you to Sylvia. I'm going to climb this. And then there's Vassaka. Let's see how we can stop killing and save lives. Leila dared to ask the question. Is badness hereditary? And finally, we'll meet Rosamund. If it wasn't for the year where Ella lived, she wouldn't have died on that fatal night. You'll even get to meet my mum in that one, who I can always count on to keep my feet on the ground. I'm not too intimidated by her. What are you talking about? Listen to the Girlfriend Spotlight on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I can speak for myself. I feel like with mother-daughter relationships, if I'm very honest about my mom, I feel like it's a betrayal. and if I withhold, it feels like it's incomplete. And that is something that this show, I think, portrays so very uniquely. The good and the bad. The soft and the hard. And Gauri, I know you're so close with your mom. I got to interview the two of you together. Did this show in any way change your relationship with her or the way you even think about her? um I don't know if it changed my relationship specifically with my mum but something an interesting parallel is that while filming season two you know Bailey is going on this journey to discover more about her mother and she's asking people about her mother and while filming season two I decided to interview some of my own family members about my two grandmothers um because I never knew them and so I kind of was um going on this parallel journey with Bailey and it's very interesting and I think this is reflected in the show as well that um there's quite a kind of skirting around talking about people who are no longer here with us and how do we want to represent those people and um Bailey is trying to kind of create this collage of her mother and who she thought she was and she's hearing lots of different things and piecing that together and trying to find the truth of of who her mother was um is a challenge for her because everybody has a different idea um so that I think playing this character inspired me to kind of yeah go on this journey in my in my personal life as well and um I just love that we see that with Bailey that her kind of investigation into who her mother was doesn't negate her relationship with Hannah. It doesn't negate her relationship with her father or her grandfather. It's like they all exist at the same time, which I love. Jen and Laura, we have so many eagle-eyed readers and viewers here. you're so close to the material is there anything that we should all be looking out for as season two approaches can you share anything special with us that we should really pay attention to to me because the book and the scripts were written by different people at the same time with the same kind of arcs beginning middle and end but the the middle is the middle there's there diversions and I love the way one fills out the story of the other and I really hope you find that as satisfying as I do the first we hewed really extremely closely to Laura's book and I love doing that because you know I read the book every morning up to wherever we were shooting that day in hair and makeup I read it every single day know that book like the back of my hand in this one it's more of a woven story between these two written you know one one acted and out and one is written but they go back and forth and I think they are um yeah it is that it's it's in the hole that you get the picture I think that um for me I was um it was really the way that readers embraced the first book and then the first season. It was so, I was nervous about writing the second book and I only really wanted to do it if I felt like I could get it right. And I feel a lot of relief now that readers are responding, at least to me in a way that suggests that they're happy with Hannah's second chapter. But something else that was, I think, really unique to this experience and I think it has to do with working with women and women who really care, is I was given the freedom and the space to write that book. You know, my partners, our partners at Hello Sunshine, at 20th, at Apple, I said, guys, I think to do justice to the second season, I need to sit down and I need the time. And not one of these wonderful women I work with was like, well, you can't have it. They all wanted me to have it. Additionally, we had Josh and Erin Zelma. Josh Singer and Aaron Selman are showrunners. And they're such beautiful writers that you could trust your husband. And we could trust him as well that our story was in good hands, the best of hands. Definitely. And they did, like, such a beautiful job. I mean, there are moments. Can I give, like, two spoilers? I mean, they won't be bad. They'll just be Luke-ish spoilers. Laura, please. Well, there's so much that I love in the show, like as the author that I got to sort of watch and enjoy. But like the thing is that, and Reese used this word, the fact that it's such a thrill ride, like you want to sit down, you want to watch all of them. And I think my experience of watching it is they get better and better as they go. And like that is really saying something because often like you watch the first one and then it sort of falls off. And for me, every episode had like Easter eggs that then down the road. One thing I was just thinking about is things that are set up in episode three among these three wonderful actresses come to fruition in episode eight in a way that brought me to tears. And I couldn't believe it. And then watching these three in episode eight on those scenes that I alluded to, which are some of my favorite scenes in the series, like when you get there, you both breathe a sigh of relief and you're terrified. And that is sort of what you really want or what I really want when I'm watching a show, which is that feeling of I really want to know what happens next. And also that's sort of the bright lines for the readers and the viewers, I think, are going to be. They really speak to each other in these really beautiful ways. To be brought to tears by words that you know so well must be an unbelievable feeling. It's really, it's a lot of pinch me moments. Absolutely. How do you guys feel about playing a game with everybody? Yeah? Okay. So to send us out on a high note, I want to create a thriller together. So Laura, I'm going to start with you. where are we starting where's the mystery so i always pick a mystery because i always do research so i pick i never like pick like you know we're not going to siberia so for this mystery i would like to go to a town called ravello in the amalfi coast oh yeah i know what's good when i've never heard of it a hillside town above postitano and gary uh tell me what our mystery is someone someone discovers someone discovers the dead body and they don't know who it is jennifer what time period are we in tomorrow watch the news we're in the future okay uh rita what does the main character do for work she's the owner of an Airbnb Italian villa known to be haunted with a sketchy caretaker that was so good Judy what's our twist yes the twist is so good the twist I love the twist is that that that the Airbnb is fully booked by a wedding party from Florida laughter laughter because Floridians in Ravello is so fun you make my cheek hurts your cheeks hurt you make me laugh so hard uh okay reese what's our button do we get a happily ever after what we have to solve the crime okay okay i let's let's do that okay i think to add on to this florida party somebody left an Apple Watch at the crime scene and we track it back to the dog. I knew there'd be an animal. Yeah, it's got to be the dog. Is it a truffle hunting dog? It's a truffle hunting dog, yes. Okay, good. It's a truffle hunting dog who came from Florida to Rubello, Italy. Stayed in an Airbnb. be. And murdered his owner. Yeah. In a fit of rage. Animal canine rage. Yeah. That's how it is. That was truly not the twist I was expecting. And good to know that not everything needs a happily ever after. Yeah. No, this one's going to have a sequel because we didn't figure out the first time. Said like a true business woman. I love it. Thank you all so much. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you everybody for being here. Thank you guys. Thank you super readers. Okay, friends, before we wrap today's episode, I'm bringing back our monthly comfort segment from Cotton called the Book Nook. This is where we explore the rituals that make reading feel just right. And as you know, cotton is at the heart of so many of those everyday comforts. Whether it's your softest worn in tea, the cozy throw you curl up with, or the crisp cotton sheets you sink into after a long day, cotton can ground us in comfort, which makes it the perfect companion for a good book. Let's hear from another Bookmarked listener sharing their ideal reading setup. Hi, Bookmarked. Hi, Danielle. This is Carmen calling in from New York City. I've always been a lifetime nighttime reader. So as a kid, I was the one with like the flashlight under the blanket after bedtime. Today, reading is still my favorite ritual before bed. I'm not really a morning person. So it's like a little pocket of time that's just for me in between coming home from work and sort of finishing all my chores at home and then starting the next day. And my setup is super simple, but it's got to be like really quality. So comfy pajamas, usually a sweater as well. And I'm like all tucked up under the blankets and I'm propped up on a small fortress of pillows, which is really important. And it's also an added plus if my tiny terror of a dog calms down enough to curl up by my side because he's like a personal heater. Sometimes if I'm really moved by a part of the book or if I'm really confused and I need to say it out loud, I'll read it out to him. He doesn't tend to have very strong opinions, but it's like a little mental bookmark for me. And yes, very often I will nod off to sleep while reading, but that just means that I get to do a close reading of the same page a second time when I wake back up. Carmen, I love this. That flashlight under the blanket energy never really leaves us, does it? That quiet moment at the end of the day, tucked into quality pajamas, layered in soft cotton, and pillows just for you. Feels like such a sacred little pause before the world starts up again. And the idea of your dog as a personal heater and a very patient audience is perfection. That kind of simple intentional comfort is exactly what makes bedtime reading feel like a ritual you want to return to night after night. So friends, keep your ideal reading setups coming. What are you wearing? What's around you? Are you reading by sunlight or lamplight, under a cotton throw or your coziest sweater, take me right into your perfect reading ritual. Leave me a voicemail at 501-291-3379 or email a voice memo to bookmarked at reesesbookclub.com. Thanks to Cotton for bringing this segment to life and reminding us that comfort and style can go hand in hand. Don't forget to check the tag for Cotton. 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