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Words Matter: Surveying the Devastation of the Past Week of Business as Usual Under Trump

41 min
Feb 5, 20264 months ago
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Summary

Hosts David Rothkopf and Norm Ornstein discuss the dismantling of Washington institutions under Trump, including plans to demolish the Kennedy Center, mass layoffs at the Washington Post, and threats to democratic elections. They examine how the media landscape has been gutted and how election integrity is under unprecedented attack through voter suppression tactics and potential federal intimidation at polling places.

Insights
  • Trump's strategy involves announcing illegal and unconstitutional actions repeatedly to desensitize the public and media, making actual implementation less shocking when it occurs
  • The collapse of major institutional media (Washington Post, LA Times, CBS News) combined with the rise of right-wing media dominance has created a landscape where corruption and democratic threats go uncovered
  • Election officials and state governors must prepare defensive measures including National Guard protection at polling places, as federal authorities may attempt to seize and recount ballots after polls close
  • Democrats face a critical two-week deadline on Homeland Security funding where they must impose firm conditions on ICE operations, including accountability measures and Fourth Amendment compliance
  • The targeting of federal institutions for renaming and architectural redesign serves dual purposes: satisfying narcissistic impulses while providing cover for destroying their original functions
Trends
Systematic dismantling of institutional checks and balances through illegal board takeovers and circumvention of Congressional authorityCoordinated media landscape consolidation favoring right-wing outlets while eliminating independent investigative journalism capacityElection interference preparation through voter suppression (ID requirements, mail-in voting restrictions) and potential federal intimidation at polling placesFederal agency militarization with ICE deployments exceeding local police force sizes in major citiesInstitutional defacement and renaming as political messaging strategy targeting Kennedy Center, airports, and federal buildingsSuppression of investigative reporting on corruption through editorial decisions and staff reductions at major newspapersWeaponization of legal challenges and investigations based on disproven conspiracy theories to delay election certificationErosion of Fourth Amendment protections through legal memos authorizing warrantless home invasions by federal agents
Topics
Kennedy Center demolition and illegal takeover by Trump administrationWashington Post mass layoffs and institutional collapse under Jeff Bezos ownershipMedia landscape consolidation and loss of investigative journalism capacityElection security threats and voter suppression tactics for 2026 and 2028ICE operations in Minneapolis and federal immigration enforcement expansionFourth Amendment violations and warrantless federal home invasionsCongressional abdication of oversight responsibilities and Speaker of House failuresFulton County election investigation based on disproven conspiracy theoriesFederal building renaming and architectural redesign as political messagingSave Act voter ID and citizenship documentation requirementsMail-in voting restrictions and polling place access limitationsClassified document handling and potential sale to foreign governmentsTrump personal enrichment through government contracts and business dealsFirst Amendment attacks on journalists and press freedomDemocratic Party strategy on Homeland Security budget negotiations
Companies
Washington Post
Laying off 300 employees (one-third of staff), closing international bureaus, eliminating sports and style sections u...
Amazon
Jeff Bezos owns Washington Post; discussed in context of regulatory avoidance and government contract interests
Fox News
Created as part of 1970s-80s strategy to eliminate liberal media outlets and build right-wing media ecosystem
New York Times
Identified as one of last major newspapers standing; criticized for both-sidesism in coverage
Wall Street Journal
Owned by Murdoch; identified as one of last major newspapers standing
CNN
Caitlin Collins criticized for inadequate follow-up when Trump insulted Epstein survivors at press conference
ABC News
Reporter abused by Trump for questioning lawsuit against Treasury/IRS; network criticized for bending knee to Trump
NBC News
Pulling back from responsible reporting and spinning off MSNBC as separate entity
CBS News
Identified as gone from media landscape; formerly pillar of good journalism in 1970s
Los Angeles Times
Identified as gone from media landscape; formerly pillar of good journalism in 1970s
Twitter
Went to the right; part of media landscape transformation away from objective reporting
TikTok
Went to the right; part of media landscape transformation away from objective reporting
Blue Apron
Discussed as potential beneficiary of government contracts through Bezos connections
People
David Rothkopf
Host of Deep State Radio and Words Matter segment; discusses institutional collapse and media landscape
Norm Ornstein
Co-host discussing election security threats, Congressional failures, and democratic erosion
Donald Trump
Central figure in discussion of institutional dismantling, election interference, and media attacks
Jeff Bezos
Criticized for cowardly decision to kill Washington Post endorsement and lay off 300 journalists
Marty Baron
Issued scathing statement calling Washington Post destruction beyond destructive and paper headed for demise
David Rubenstein
Criticized for allowing illegal Trump takeover of Kennedy Center without resistance
Roger Ailes
Part of 1970s Nixon-era strategy to eliminate liberal media and create right-wing media ecosystem
Rupert Murdoch
Involved in 1980s media consolidation and elimination of fairness doctrine
Steve Bannon
Described strategy of overwhelming media with scandal after scandal to prevent sustained coverage
Caitlin Collins
Asked Trump about Epstein survivors; Trump responded with insults while other reporters remained silent
Don Lemon
Arrested for covering news story; incident treated as one-day story by media
Tom Homan
Author of family separation policy; sent to Minneapolis to put softer face on ICE operations
Tulsi Gabbard
Target of whistleblower report for illegally passing classified information
Mayor Fry
Pointed out 2,300 ICE agents in Minneapolis exceed 600-person police force by four times
John Thune
Made promise about healthcare substance program; deadline approaching in two weeks
Albert Speer
Referenced as having more restraint in using his name than Trump in architectural redesign projects
Richard Nixon
1970s Watergate-era figure whose advisors fantasized about eliminating liberal media like Washington Post
Elon Musk
Leading drumbeat for Save Act requiring proof of citizenship for voting
Quotes
"Democracy dies in darkness. And now the post is dying in darkness."
David RothkopfMid-episode
"If it comes to what you're describing, there will be blood in the streets. If it comes to what you're describing, the only response, if you can't work within the system, is to work outside the system."
Norm OrnsteinLate episode
"The First Amendment has never been under attack like this."
David RothkopfMid-episode
"They're trying to suppress the votes, and they're trying to take away mail in voting, so that they can, in places where they have control, limit the number of polling places so the lines are very long."
Norm OrnsteinLate episode
"This is a ploy to try and take people's attention away from the horrors in Minnesota, which are not going away anytime soon."
Norm OrnsteinLate episode
Full Transcript
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And you go, oh, my God, life is horrible. Okay. I'm going to try and experiment here. I'm going to talk about some things. I'm just going to say one word and then you can respond to the word or phrase. And then you can respond to that. We'll move on to the next one. Yes. Kennedy Center. Goodbye and good luck. I was going to say, Washington Post next, you could say that. I know. I'll respond to that. Of course, they've destroyed the Kennedy Center and this plan to close it for two years is insane. But we also have a pretty good clue as to what Trump will do, which is along the same lines of the mega ballroom at the White House and the gigantic arch de Triomphe that will dwarf the Lincoln Memorial, which is to redo this so that it looks like neo Nazi architecture in honor of Donald Trump. And then they will put new signage out that will have the Trump name in huge letters. And if we're fortunate at all, there will be the Kennedy name there, but it will be much smaller. I mean, a tiny asterisk down at the corner of the building. Exactly. Formerly the Kennedy Center. Yes. The building formerly known as. So, but what we also know is this plan is in part a face saving device. It not only meets his goals as a malignant narcissist to redo it, but it is also face saving because they've destroyed the audience for the Kennedy Center. And we were going to have two years of a pretty empty building. So this is a good excuse to fulfill his goal as a malignant narcissist. Now, he said he said it's he's going to tear it down to the steel frame, which may be partially usable, and they're going to save some of the marble. So he's already thought this all through this plan is undoubtedly going to go forward. But there's just one little thing. Wasn't this building built by the Congress as memorial to John and Kennedy. Where does the Congress come into this. Now that's a whole different topic, a Congress that is completely given up on its own responsibilities. A speaker of the house, who is beyond pathetic is actually a clear and present danger to American freedoms, democracy and elections. But there are nowhere to be found with this stuff. And I can go back and for give a little mini picture of the rant I've done before on the Kennedy Center. What Trump did to take it over was illegal to begin with the management and board of the Kennedy Center and its chair, David Rubenstein, basically pulled an Obi Wan Kenobi, you know, dropping their lightsaber so that they could be eliminated without fighting back against something that I would make a strong case and did in writing was manifestly illegal. So all of these things are illegal. And remember to that the legislation creating the Kennedy Center in a very complicated way set up a board. The board had some people nominated by the president, some people nominated by the leaders in Congress, a bunch of ex officio positions, including, for example, the mayor of the District of Columbia. But Trump had his board, the handpicked board that he made meet in secret to take away the voting rights from those members of Congress who are in the legislation as being full members of the board. So it's more illegal stuff done by the crime boss. You know, Norm, you're a Washingtonian, I mean, you're an American treasure also, but you live here in Washington. And as you look at Washington, and you look at what Washington was even just a year ago, the White House, as it was, is gone. The Kennedy Center, as it was about to be gone. A big, beautiful open space by Arlington Cemetery is about to be filled by an arc to triumph, an arch of triumph, an arch of Trump that nobody needs. It's going to block the views of the Lincoln Memorial. It's going to cast a shadow, literally cast a shadow over the graves of the dead at Arlington Cemetery. And the Smithsonian is being gutted of certain exhibits. The National Portrait Gallery is having signs changed within it to suit the politics of Donald Trump. He wants to change the name of the terminal at Dulles Airport. And maybe he'll allow it to continue to be named Dulles. Frankly, that's one name I could do without. But he wants to change the name of the terminal to the Trump terminal. Hitler, while he was sitting there with, you know, his, but who is this architect, Albert Speer, or somebody, was sitting there, planning Berlin to be the capital of a thousand year right, more taste and more restraint in using his own name than Donald Trump was using. You know, Nero, more taste, more restraint, Caligula, more taste, more restraint. But the same sexual habits. But very possibly, and frankly, had Trump followed in Caligula's footsteps and appointed a horse to a senior position, it would be better than, you know, half of his cabinet. But what happens, you know, Trump leaves at some point, you know, one way or another, feet first, by an election, some way. And all of a sudden, the city has been defaced by this mad vandal. Do people just tear it all down? I think they may have to. You did raise something interesting. Caligula appointed a horse. And Trump has called himself a stable genius. So maybe we're heading in that. You know, that's interesting. I didn't realize that. And it is the year of the horse, by the way, coming up any minute now. So, you know, I think we are going to be faced if, and it's becoming increasingly unlikely, we are able to maintain elections and take back control of our democracy for people who actually believe in democracy, the rule of law, the Constitution, ethics and the like. What do we do with all this stuff? It's not going to be something where you're going to take this mega ballroom that he's building illegally and tear it down and rebuild the East Wing as it were. By the way, also weirdly, he's building a bunker to live in underneath it. I mean, it's weird. There's there's some weird shit going on here, but go. I don't know. You can't tear it down. You got to rename it. Maybe you can tear it down. Speaking, though, of Washington institutions, going back to my original plan to just trigger you with phrases. Washington Post. I am so distraught today. 300 people eliminated. Some of them friends and terrific journalists. I'm a thorougher who is just a terrific foreign policy guy and working on the foreign desk. Part of the thorougher family, you know, quite remarkable Indian family laid off. I'm Zach Pinkas Roth, who grew up with my kids, who was running a good portion of the style section, just had a baby laid off. But they're eliminating the sports section, much of the international section, all of their bureaus in the Middle East. Imagine at this point in history, deciding you don't need to have a presence in the Middle East. Apparently, they fired their Ukraine Bureau, too, including the reporter in Kiev. And she was just like, OK, you're fired. And, you know, now she's stuck in the middle of a war zone. Not only did they fire them, but they told them all to stay home today for an 8 30 a.m. zoom meeting where they would make announcements. They announced the 300 sent the emails to them during this meeting and then told them that all their access to the posts computer system would be shut off at 9 a.m. So this is thuggish behavior. But it's also a, you know, there was a terrific scathing announcement by Marty Baron, who ran the post after running the Boston Globe for years through some of its finest moments when they coined the term democracy dies in darkness. And now the post is dying in darkness. And while Marty Baron prays, he's host for how he had acted courageously during the first Trump term, protected the paper and all of that basically said that this was beyond destructive. He used the harshest language for what's happening here. This paper, which was a jewel for a newspaper in a democracy is headed for demise. And they lost huge numbers of subscribers when the Bezos decided at the 11th hour to kill the presidential endorsement in the 20 24 election. They lost even more when they went through more waves of buyouts and cuts. And now, basically the Washington Post is either going to be sold so that somebody can buy and resell or scrap its printing presses. And so it's not going to be sold until it's lease and the like, or it will limp along as a pale shadow of what existed. Not all the journalists are gone. This was a third of the staff. And there are still some really good people. I haven't seen the full list of the 300 who are going to try and soldier on to maintain at least some semblance of usefulness as a newspaper. And I don't know how long they can stay. But, you know, this is not going to be a paper that's going to go anywhere but down. And what is Jeff Bezos trying to do. It is one of the most venal and cowardly plays I have ever seen. This is a paper he bought for $250 million. The losses that this paper has accrued are in the range of $100 million a year, which is truly with no exaggeration, the equivalent for you and me of finding a couple of quarters in the couch cushions. So he didn't have to do this. He's doing this even as in so many other ways, including a nice contribution for the White House ballroom and other fashions to protect his other business interests. And if that's what he's out to do, to make sure that Blue Apron is going to get some government contracts for space exploration, to make sure that he still is able to avoid harsh regulation for all of the packages sent by Amazon. Then why buy the damn paper in the first place and why keep it? Why not sell it to somebody who's actually going to do something good with it? What is disgrace is Jeff Bezos? 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But it's gone beyond even what they sought to do then. And by the way, they worked through the 80s on this, Murdoch coming in, getting rid of the fairness doctrine, and so forth. But when you think of how badly the landscape of Washington DC has been defaced by Trump, think of the media landscape. What were the pillars back in the 70s of good journalism? The New York Times, the CBS News, NBC News, ABC News, the Washington Post, the Los Angeles Times. What were the emerging ones that rose up in the interim on cable and other platforms? CBS is gone. Los Angeles Times is gone. Gone to the right. Washington Post is gone. Fox News has been created. ABC News bent the knees to Trump. NBC News is pulling back and spinning off MSNBC to be separate from any responsible reporting. Twitter went. TikTok went. Now as you look at the mainstream media landscape in the United States and some of the new media landscape in the U.S., it is heavily dominated by the right. And you don't know where you see the voices, even of objectivity. You know, the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal are the sort of the two last paper standing. Wall Street Journal is owned by Murdoch. And the New York Times is notorious for both sizing things. It's as bad as Washington looks. The media landscape looks worse. Not only does the media landscape look worse, but the reporters covering the demise of democracy are failing over and over again. You know, Caitlin Collins at CNN, who came out of a conservative background, but has really been quite impressive in what she's done. Ask Trump at a press conference what he would say to the Epstein survivors, the ones who are being outed as they've released the Epstein files, even as they make sure they protect not just the pedophiles, but the ones who threaten murder. It's hard to imagine. And when she asked him that, Trump responded with his usual slurs and insults in the most disgusting and gross way. The other reporters said nothing. Right. And that was two days after an ABC reporter said, well, why are you suing the Department of the Treasury, the IRS for $10 billion? Are you the one who's going to make the decision? And he yelled at her and abused her. That was two days before he arrested Don Lemon and another reporter for covering a news story. Here you have the greatest assaults on the First Amendment we've ever seen. I'm not talking about the White House kicking out good journalists, the Pentagon kicking out good journalists, Trump not bringing good journalists on trips, Trump's other abuses of journalists, the lies that are spewed at industrial levels by this administration. The First Amendment has never been under attack like this. And the Don Lemon story was a one day story. The Caitlyn Collins is not a story anymore. The last journalists standing are not doing their jobs as journalists. And, you know, one element to this, of course, is that when Steve Bannon said in 2015, we know how to control the media. We love the zone with scandal after scandal after scandal and they don't know how to handle it and everything becomes a one day or a one hour story. And there are so many things out there now. The fact that the United Arab Emirates, right before Trump was inaugurated, bought 49% of a Trump company. And then we see the rewards coming into them that including, of course, selling them the most sensitive computer chips from the video that the Biden administration would not do because this is highly sensitive stuff and can damage our national security. We have reports that classified documents, some of which had apparently been in Trump's possession, are being sent to or sold to Russia. There's stuff going on out there that ought to be not just a four alarm fire, but a 40 alarm fire that can get covered. It's not to speak of, you know, up to $4 billion of personal enrichment from Trump. There was one New York Times story on it. I have it on good authority that other papers were trying to cover that story. And there was no pickup on it. There was no interest. So they killed the stories. And so the covering, covering corruption is not a story that is taking place in the United States. But just to move on, you know, you mentioned Steve Bannon, which is always a good way to trigger you. But today on some podcast, he said, well, this is how the elections are going to go. Trump is going to send in federal authorities like the ones that he sent into Minneapolis. They're going to be around voting areas. They're going to intimidate people from showing up to vote. And that's going to help us win this election the same week as, of course, Trump apparently served in illegal warrant in Fulton County. It took 700 boxes. There's now countersuit to get them back. All the voting records of Fulton County under the leadership, by the way, of Tulsi Gabbard, who herself is the target of a whistleblower report, that she was illegally passing on classified information. Surprise, surprise. I don't even know what part of that story will trigger you the most. So I'll just leave it all there and you can pick your favorite. You know, the other, well, let's talk about the latter stuff. And I actually think it's worse than what Steve Bannon said. I think Trump has Trump strategy with a lot of this stuff is to say he's going to do something that's so outrageous, so unconstitutional, so illegal. And the general reaction of the media is to just shrug. Well, he says all kinds of shit. And then he says it a second time, sometimes even tripling down. And sometimes a third time so that he can deaden the reaction to it if and when it occurs. Spring's blooming at Starbucks. 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I believe that what he has in mind as his standing in the Republican Party's standing declines as they're facing a potential bloodbath in November is they are going to send their thugs of whatever sort probably from the FBI into the voting precincts and areas where the votes are taking place, as he mentioned, 15 states, not all just plain blue states, but swing states where there are blue areas. After the polls have closed, right after the polls have closed, sees the votes and go off claiming that there's massive fraud and take them away and count them. Of course, the count is going to be significantly short of what the actual vote totals were, or they'll just distort what those outcomes are and then destroy the ballots and declare that he's one in a landslide and governors have to start preparing for this as do other election officials to make sure, for example, that they have National Guards people protecting the polling places, which I just want to point out for per article one of the Constitution are the responsibility of the states. And the responsibility of the states with the ability of Congress to govern the place time manner in place of elections, which means Congress theoretically can step in and create some national voting standards. There is zero role for the president, except to either sign or veto any bills that pass by Congress. And here we have to note one other thing, David, there's an increasing drumbeat from people who want to steal the election in 2026. And again, if there is one in 2028, led I might add by Elon Musk, but with a large number of Republican senators joining in saying, past the save act, and the save act would require not just any photo ID for federal elections, but you would have to show a proof of citizenship that would either be a passport or a birth certificate. And I want to note that where we've had places that have required photo IDs, Texas, for example, in Texas, by the way, where their photo ID requirement is, we will allow a gun owners permit, but not a state created student ID. But they take birth certificates for married women who have changed their names and say, no, this doesn't match. And you're going to have to get a new birth certificate at a cost of $65 or get a passport for people who don't travel, who are poor, older, who don't have those documents. Lots of people couldn't find their birth certificates, sometimes because they no longer exist, or they're from countries that don't have the records. They're trying to suppress the votes, and they're trying to take away mail in voting, so that they can, in places where they have control, limit the number of polling places so the lines are very long, so they can send in their ice thugs to pull a few people out of line, beat the shit out of them, take them off for three days. And have voters say, I'm not going to stay here and leave. And they may end the filibuster for just that if Republicans in the Senate think their majority is at stake. Yeah, I would go on to say that, you know, they're trying everything. They're already laying the groundwork to put people in the cities. They are starting to claim voter rolls by one mean or another. They are challenging things around the country. But they don't just have to be successful and scary way voters or whatever. By doing investigations like the one in Fulton County, which is based on long disproven conspiracy theories. All they have to do is raise questions, bring it into court, delay the seating of people, and do that for an extended period of time in the courts. And get the effect that they want of denying people their choices for Congress and the Senate. And that's egregious. And frankly, if it comes to what you're describing, there will be blood in the streets. If it comes to what you're describing, the only response, if you can't work within the system, is to work outside the system. And this will be a breaking point for the United States of America. It is not a tolerable option. And of course, at that point, the president will have, you know, he'll have troops in the cities and ice in the cities and so forth. We don't have unlimited amount of time. I do want to talk about Minneapolis because it's your home. But also, you know, on a couple of grounds, Tom Holman, author of the Family Separation Policy, was sent there to put a new face on it. As Trump said in an interview today, softer face on it, has said that we're going to send home 700 of the troops there. And Mayor Fry of Minneapolis, by the way, pointed out there are only 600 cops in the city, which means that the 2300 ice agents in the city are four times the size of the police force. But, you know, and that they're going to wear body cameras. But this is clearly all aimed at getting a vote on the one part of the budget bill that didn't pass. The DHS part in the next two weeks so that they get access to the 70 billion insanely high budget that has been set aside for DHS bigger, as we've said before, than the budget for all, but I think four militaries in the world. And so it's all a ploy. They're clearly going to go back on it. They've clearly not made any real moves to change their underlying policies. And the Democrats on the Hill look like some combination of some kind of bullshit moves. Let's pull a few people out. Let's do a body cam, etc. etc. And I get them to go along with it. And by the way, well, deal with that. I'll come back with something else. Industry leaders are transforming business with AWS AI, from Phillips advancing patient care to smarter auto design and games that evolve in real time. AWS AI is how innovation happens every day. At EDF, we don't just encourage you to use less electricity. We actually reward you for it. That's why when you use less during peak times on weekdays, we give you free electricity on Sundays. How you use it is up to you. EDF. Change is in our power. Households are shipped weekday peak usage by 40% for earn up to 16 hours of free electricity for each subject to fare usage tax. All seasons, these are EDF energy.com forward slash high power. Okay, first, this is the first and only time that anybody would associate Tom Homan with a softer face. Well, it's pretty, his face is pretty, pretty soft. I've said before that he, if central casting said, bring me somebody who could portray a prison guard at Buchenwald. Tom Homan would be at the top of that list. He of course has already lied repeatedly about. He could also do a pretty good job as Mr. Potato had, however. He lied over and over in the press conference he did when he got to Minnesota, said they were going to change the way they operate. They have not changed the way they operate. They're still breaking windows and cars, pulling people out. I've seen videos that they are still using pepper spray and other toxic agents against innocent people standing there doing nothing to obstruct or delay or interfere with what's going on. They're still trying to interfere with what they're doing, just recording it. All of those things are happening. This is a ploy to try and take people's attention away from the horrors in Minnesota, which are not going away anytime soon. I am really awestruck by the number of brave people in Minneapolis, many of whom have never been to an outside to deal with anything that either resembled a protest or a presence against something bad going on who are not engaged in politics in their lives. I can look at this and say I cannot stand by anymore. That part of the culture, I think, is just to be lauded everywhere and it is a model for everywhere. And now we know that Congress passed the Compromise Spending Bill for many of the agencies in the federal government, many of the individual appropriations bills, but still have left in place this two week deadline for the Homeland Security budget for negotiations ongoing between the Trump officials and the Democrats in the Senate. And that day of reckoning is coming soon. And now that the rest have passed and we're not talking about a larger shutdown, we need House and Senate Democrats to step up to the plate, put on their big boy pants, and understand, given everything else that's happened and that continues to happen, that they need to have firm conditions in place before they provide this funding. And that's not just body cams. After all, we've seen plenty of instances of police with body cams that just coincidentally get turned off before some horrific event happens. And it's not just taking off the masks. It's having clearly identified on their uniforms, their names, so that when bad things happen, we know who should be held accountable. And it's holding them accountable. And it's changing their rules of engagement and putting into legislation something that makes clear that this bogus, bogus legal memo circulating in among ICE agents and others in this area, that you can enter any house you want without a judicial warrant. Having the speaker of the House, one of the most despicable people ever to come on our scene in American politics, say, well, if we just abided by the Fourth Amendment, we wouldn't be able to do any of these things, which was not to say, therefore, we're going to stop doing them. Of course, we're going to continue to have massive invasions of people's houses, because we can't sit around and wait for a judicial warrant. We can't abide by the Fourth Amendment. That's what we're dealing with. And that is frightening, disgusting. And along with that, of course, is the mayhem and horror stories and sheer hell taking place in all of these facilities that are to use the appropriate term, concentration camps. Are you comfortable that that's what's going to happen? Do you actually believe that Democrats are going to do that, or are they going to do El Folda? I would just point out that we were supposed to right now, because we had a promise from John Thune, we were supposed to be figuring out how to deal with the healthcare substance. Well, that program is just two weeks away. Just two weeks away, exactly. Forever two weeks away. But the point is, I don't think we can be confident that the Democrats are going to do the right thing here. It's pretty rough times. And I guess that's why we're here. I guess that's why we taught you. We do limit the length of the show to 35 or 40 minutes, because your cardiologist says that's anything more than that would be bad for your heart. Along with many of our viewers. Yeah, no, it's said their blood pressure up too high. And we don't want to have that on our hands. So we'll continue it next week, everybody. So rest. One of the things we advise you do before you listen to the show, take a nap and have an adult beverage nearby. That also is very helpful. A lot of you are watching on YouTube. We love that if you're watching on YouTube, by the way, subscribe. This is really where our growth is. And I know you love to come and hear Norm's perspectives. But watch Norm's perspectives today. He's wearing a fantastic sweater from TJ Maxx. Thank you. Thank you. If you're listening to the podcast, you're not going to get to see that sweater. Whereas if you're watching it on YouTube, you will. So join us again next week. In the meantime, thank you very much, Norm. And we will see you around, folks. Bye-bye. Customizable themes that let you build your brand. Marketing tools that get your products out there. Integrated shipping solutions that actually save you time. From startups to scale ups online in person and on the go. Shopify is made for entrepreneurs like you. Sign up for your $1 a month trial at shopify.com.