TJG: Southern Charm S11 E1 & VPR S12 E10!

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We are now apart. And not for long, in two weeks, we'll be back together again. Oh, my God. Holding hands. Yes. And then two weeks from then, it's nonstop. I'm going to blame Charlie for the lack of. Sure. But I've got to tell you guys, that redheaded baby is one of the cutest kids I've ever seen. We had a blast together. Like at one point, it's like, Mary, you can go. Charlie and I are good over here. Courtney kept on like shaking his hand and saying, how do you do? How do you do? No, it's nice to meet you. I do this with my niece. But you give him a little vibrating shaky and it makes him giggle. Sure. No, he's a giggle monster. And you guys, these baby blues. It's gorgey. And I tell Mary this on a regular occasion. Thank God your kid is cute. Like, I don't want to have to lie to you, but I don't because he's a doll. Thank you. He's a happy guy. He just loves attention. Yeah. Okay. Who doesn't? Mother like son. I know. He just loves attention. He loves to be with the gals. He wants to be a part of the party. And yeah. Literally, like, I could tell he was having FOMO when we were recording. Absolutely. He was screaming. Yeah. I could hear it. You guys, he's really good at downward dog also. Like, I feel like a lot of kids, like, babies, when they want to start, like, crawling or getting into position, a lot of it is, like, the army arms. And Charlie's like, no, no, it's quad strength. He's never done the army arms. He is trying to stand, essentially. And so he does a lot of downward dog and he's very good at it. It's like the Olympics have the quad god, you know, Ilya Malin and the figure skater. And then like you have the quad god at home. I'm so lucky. Yeah. We have to talk about your witchy powers because. And I can't stop laughing about this. Jill Zarin has managed to torpedo her career for the third time in reality TV. Honestly, I was kind of shocking we didn't get this news till Tuesday. because it was so atrocious, despicable, disgusting. What was she thinking? The thing is, is the people around her, she already said this point out loud, right? And then she was like, I think I should make a post about it. And everybody said, yes, yes, yes. And it's like, look, yes, Jill, that is your opinion. You, in America, Jill, in America, have the freedom of speech. It's your constitutional right. However, you do not have the freedom of consequences. And that's the big deal here. It's like you were hired to do a job. And ultimately, Versant, the new, you know, leg where E! Entertainment is, is about making money. And if they have a problem because people are complaining, people are emailing, people are doing a change.org, people are all up in arms in the Internet about what you've said, they've got to cut the bait because they're in the market of making money. exactly and do you think they will replace her with anybody i will be wondering if this show even happens at this point because i don't know if you also saw too it's like after jill's rant it's like lou posts she loves bad bunny sonia is posting that she loves her latino followers and she's posting her remember when she was on the cover of the latino show magazine kelly ben simone who has the same opinions as jill is like i accept everyone like they are backpedaling so hard to make sure that they know that, hey, we don't agree with her out loud. Ramona's still quiet. I would be curious if they try to rope in Dorinda or one person. Maybe they don't need it. Also, let's talk about the Bethany of this, because she posted something as well, not as crazy and outlandish as Jill's. Hers, if I remember it correctly, because she took it down to. It was more about should these performers be making political statements? Where do you draw the line between entertainment and politics? Shut up, Bethany. She deleted that. She also deletes a lot. She is working the algorithm. I wonder if she was even approached to do this show. Oh, I think 100 percent she was. And I think she was waiting to see if the first season would be good before she signed on to save it. Okay. Oh, I love this theory. Yeah. I mean, are any of my theories correct? No, but I just don't think that Bethany would be joining an ensemble vehicle in its first season. But she's so desperate to be in the limelight. I mean, I don't know if you also saw, too, somebody commented and she said, nobody has done more for Puerto Rico than Bethany Frankel. She can go to hell, too. I can't stand Bethany. I don't need her on my TV. Her popping up on my TikTok or Instagram every so often is enough for me. To me, this show probably isn't going to happen. I just. Really? I think it will happen. Okay. Yeah. I mean, Jill's probably calling up Netflix like, please cast me on season two of the MAGA show. Please. I'd agree with that. She was. Kelly Dodd and her are going to start a podcast together. Kelly Dodd did comment about this because Jill texted her. I'm in a lot of trouble. Jill has managed to get herself fired twice before a show is filmed. Right. Twice before a show is filmed. Roni Legacy because she was holding out for more money. And then this show because, hey, she had an opinion. And her statement was, hey, I'm human. We make mistakes. And there's also, and like Real Moms of Bravo posted this, there's a Reddit thread with Jill's step-grandson, so Bobby's grandson, about how much they, as much as he can legally say all alleged, because she's so happy apparently, how much they all hate Jill because Zarin Fabrics released that statement. And that she's not affiliated at all. She doesn't make money off of it. It's a lot to take on. And they just can't stand her. I don't speak with her. You know, there was issues with the will. And the biggest bomb from that, though, because for years it feel like it was denied, was that Jill did ask Bravo to film Bobby's funeral and that they brought the cameras to the funeral home. And Bobby's son and daughter didn't know what to do and kind of just had to let it happen because they were so thrown off. And remember for years, and even Andy said too, it was like, no, no, it happened organically. Like, no, Jill didn't ask that, but she did. Oh my God. I can remember, Bethany didn't actually go into the funeral, right? They just had this moment. No, I thought she did. I thought they just had a moment outside. Okay. I don't, because, you know, I'm all alone. Me too. Right. No, I can see them in the coats, The hat. On the street. Yes. Yes. It's just. Oh, wow. It couldn't have happened to a better person. You know, wasn't there a show on E! or something that they were doing that was going to be, like, canceled with, like, canceled celebs? Hey, if you need somebody, you could get Jill. Jill is available. Very available. I just don't understand how she wouldn't think that that could possibly happen. Because she was in a vortex of people who were telling her, who were, like, gassing her up. Except for her daughter, Allie. I think Allie is backpedaling. I mean, Allie did say you're going to get canceled. She said, I don't care. And then she deleted it. Yeah. Anyways, adios, Jill, though I'm not sure you'll understand what I just said. It's not a good look. Also not a good look. There are rumors. Now, Carl said he didn't see this and didn't know because Carl was on Watch What Happens last night. But there were rumors at the Summer House premiere party that Sally and Kyle were caught canoodling. Do you believe it? What does that mean? Exactly. Like they were talking closely. Right. I mean, that doesn't bother me at all. They'd actually kind of be cute together. I feel like they're both like little. And like maybe. Poor Sally. She's just trying to find a man. Okay. She's a lady is trying to find a man. Let her find one in the reality TV space. Okay. She's also a catch on paper. Owns her home. Has a great job. Gorgeous. Great style. I'm sure she'd be fun to go out with. And if she wants to date a DJ who, again, we said he's actually pretty good, but somebody who's in a midlife crisis, go for it. Fan-fucking-tastic DJ, guys. He's also still wearing his ring. It's okay. She doesn't know Amanda. Do you think that there's any chance that Amanda and Kyle get back together? No. No. So the ring is for cosmetic looks. Maybe he's just not ready to fully end that. chapter. But he didn't wear it because he had lost it. And then this week he had it ring on a string. Right. And now it's sitting on his finger. Well, it's maybe symbolic for him now. Now, after the fact, and he isn't ready to take it off. Yeah. Maybe he can't get it off. One time, my friend, she couldn't get her ring off. And I mean, we did soap, everything. It just, her hand like kept expanding. The fire department had to come over to the house and they cut the ring. It was pretty wild. Was that symbolism? Are they still together? Oh, I don't even know if it was a wedding ring. We were young. We were like in our 20s. Oh, I thought it was a wedding ring. And Isaac was that symbolic of the relationship. Like her finger was rejecting the ring. They are still married, have three kids. Okay. Okay. Very cute couple. Imagine you're like, oh my God, actually, They did get divorced a month later. No, they're good. Oh, okay. Have you been watching the Olympics? I'm going to be talking more about it on our Patreon. On Monday when we were together, we're like, oh, we got to watch the Olympics. I don't remember if we did because that's how like everywhere my brain was. We were trying to do a lot of different things. So I can't say because last night I watched the Below Decks. Give me your thoughts. I thought it was very cool how the first Below Deck episode, it was just like a normal premiere episode. We got to know everyone on the boat and it felt very organic. And then the guests coming on. The second episode felt very housewife heavy and it was really strange to see it from the other perspective. Heather is a monster, wasted, blidge. The fact that we didn't see that strip show. Or the lunch. Why didn't we see the strip show twice? Come on. Mary is into the younger men. She wants to see him half Nikki. She's like, let's get ready for March Madness, boys. I was kind of surprised. I wasn't planning on really even watching it. And then I had watched one like last week and then I forgot. So I was, oh, I'll watch this while I'm, you know, just unpacking. And I said, Mary, you got to watch it. Heather is a freaking monster. The edit she gets on Salt Lake City is so crazy. They do not have the same production company because that production company did not care to protect her at all. She was so rude as hell. Her hands were all over the men. Jason's saying, I'm not, because they show the scene of Brittany trying to flirt with him. And Jason's saying, look, Heather's the primary and I'm only going to flirt with the primary. So I'm only going to flirt with Heather. It's, it's, yachting is also very strange. Could you imagine you're hired to, you know, give great service, but also do like a strip show? Like the service has no bounds of what's included in it. Yes It so wild It actually very crazy that we watch that Yes It was like because Joao also was like I don want to do this And he like okay but the tip but the tip And I just so Heather at one point literally I mean she has her hands all over them The fact, too, when they show that zombie dinner and them all doing that zombie walk for way longer than what we were shown on Salt Lake, I was like, this is so embarrassing. I'm so embarrassed for these women. It was scary. Are they dead or are they alive? It was haunting. And then at one point, Heather is like, you know what? I'm basically going to punish four of the women here. And I'm going to do a four-person lunch. She changes it from outside to inside and then decides that she's going to cut it in half so that the other women are made aware that they're not the cool girls with Heather. And it's Heather, Mary, Whitney, and Angie who have service inside. Heather at one point says, serve me like I'm a Roman king. It was not a good look. She's also blasted the entire trip. Wasted. And what did I say? I'm just bringing attention that she has a lot of drinks. I'm not allowed to say it's a problem. No, she's having a good time. She's a monster. She was really wasted at the end. Jason was like, thank you, Daisy, for saving me. That was scary. I had to get out. This is my worst nightmare. This is a horror film, and they're dressed like it. Also, the sous chef for Ben, did they bring her on this show to watch him snap? He's being really mean to her, though. I mean, I know she doesn't know what she's doing, but she's trying. He said about the cheesecake, did you add sugar? And she said, well, no, you just mentioned eggs. Like, he has to clean up her mess so badly. But I also find it super condescending when people use terms of endearment. Like, hey, honey bunny, honey, we don't even know each other. Do not call me that because it feels condescending. She's also not good at this. Just because you have a passion for food doesn't mean you're good in the kitchen. Like, you have a passion to eat it. Yeah. Maybe you should know the difference between a shallot and an onion. Maybe she could have done a few classes in between seasons. Well, maybe Jason set her up for failure. Ben seems a little bit too particular, if you ask me, in controlling. Well, I think when he's like, you made muffins, who fills up the muffin to the top? Right. They didn't look that bad. Maybe they were a little gooey on the inside. He said they were completely raw on the inside. Maybe they were moist, Courtney. And then he made zombie ice cream and he was like, can you please put this in the freezer? And she didn't. She didn't. It was just tough. It was tough to watch. Yeah. I felt bad for the girl. I mean, I feel bad, but I'm also like, you're getting in your own way. And then I heard how her mom talks to her and I said, oh, this is normal for her to be berated by others. This poor girl. Yeah. So she's going home. Yeah. I don't know if I'm going to keep watching after the Salt Lake episodes, but I do love Jason and Daisy. Part of Below Deck is showing the tip at the end. So I'm really curious if they're going to have the tip meeting at the end. Who paid for it? Will it be a big tip, a small tip? Heather's the primary. This is part of the show. So I'm so curious. I want to know about the tip. But it's like Bravo's giving the tip. It was a housewife vacation. Well, we'll see. We will. So should we take a break and then come back with the Southern Charm episode? Yes. okay this is called cabin fever guys we are back at whitner's we're back at itchy grass farm and we're getting ready for dinner and gosh you guys whitner won't stop yes ma'am mother i just it's haunting it's southern i we know it's southern but it is as we are not southern It feels weird for us now. Mother, ma'am is fine. Mother, it's kind of strange. I think it's a Southern thing. Okay. But it's weird for us. It's hard. Tough. Yeah, it is. Okay, I was trying to figure out, I think the three girls are in the main house. Yes, I agree. Okay, and so they're getting ready upstairs. Sally wants to go down there already because she's got to get in the mix. She's the Carl of the group here. Got to be in the mix. And she's like, Charlie, can I go downstairs? And Charlie's like, no. Like, no, we all have to go together, please. And she's like, okay. She's like, totally. She's like, oh my God, when you say totally, I know that you're lying. Sally's like, you just told on yourself because you tell me totally all the time. I didn't think when Sally was like, I totally love these chickens. I guess I won't be saying the word totally anymore. I love the word totally. That is a very California word. For sure. And we are definitely California Valley girls. 100%. I wanted to talk about the length of Austin's jeans. Oh, please. It's a cropped jean because I saw a lot of ankle with that Birkenstock he was wearing. All I could see was the hat. It was very distracting. I mean, he's saying like, my lady. He's cuffing the pimple. Wait, when he says my lady and Sally's like, he's been waiting to say that to me all night. I will say, I think with the drinking amps up with Sally, the desperation does go a little high. And no, to me, it's absolutely hysterical. She's interested in the guy. She's making one-off comments. I love Sally, once again. What was it with Shep's hat? The Howdy Doody? Like, it was too small for his head. I'd also think maybe if he had no strap on it, it could have performed better as the outfit. But the strap was really giving Woody from Toy Story. Absolutely. I think he probably found it in the room and decided to wear it to dinner. It's actually decoration. It is. The Fitchy Grass Farm original. Yes. I will say Madison looked very cute in the green and white dress, but all of a sudden you can tell it dropped. She looks different. Her belly. So I have a conspiracy theory here. Go ahead. I think Madison's interview look when she's in the pink dress and she's doing it. I'm convinced she's wearing a fake belly at this point. I think you could be onto something there. Yes. Because we do know that they film three different interview looks for Housewives and stuff. Yeah, it's usually three. Oh, like the different. Oh, yeah. We haven't seen anything from her besides this, right? No, she's had more. But, right? This one has just been the main one for the most part. And to me, it just, I think where we go in this episode, especially at the end, I'm convinced it's a fake belly. And I'm like, why, though? It's okay. We don't need to fake that she's pregnant and she does this interview. It's okay. I think we need like Madison to confirm, but I don't know if that's breaking the rules if she were to tell us it is a fake belly. Or what if next week she pulls it out and then she brings baby Teddy into the frame. Gotcha. The fact that she went to this, good on her. And she spent the night. Yeah. Okay. So Shep pulls Madison and Rodrigo. I'm telling you, everybody at this point has had, the wine is afloat. Oh my gosh, it's hysterical. So Shep is like, I gotta talk to Austin today as the friend. I gotta really help him make decisions. He's like, I gotta talk to him. This indecisiveness, you know, it's gonna be his own undoing. And it's time for him to make decisive steps with the Audrey situation. Do you think that Madison and Rodrigo both know that each other knows about the breakup? Because Austin told Rodrigo in the car, told Madison on the phone, but have Madison and Rodrigo had the conversation? That's a good point. I'm not exactly sure. But Madison keeping mom because she's like, well, I told Sally that's that's more than that's like telling 10 people. So I can't include Shep as well. And she's like, so maybe you could ask him some questions like, where is this going? Let him talk. Mm hmm. And then Shep's like, no, I have to. And Rod goes, you do? You? It was like so classic. It was like he's supposed to say that in his head, but he's like, Shep, you out of anybody should be asking him about this. Like, please. The girlfriend whisperer, Shep, the one without the girlfriend. So funny. So funny. Also, you made a good point, too, because Madison has told Sally, right? We know Sally has told Charlie because Charlie's the one who tells Craig. Right. But I wanted to talk about Austin and Charlie because I do feel a little bad here and I do have to rescind something I said last week. Oh, go ahead. Last week, I was like, obviously, Austin told Sally about what Craig said about Charlie. But Austin really tried to clear it up here with Charlie being like, I think context is important. And I wanted to tell you that Craig wasn't saying this about you. He was getting in his head and overthinking it. And so even the disdain that I have for him right now, I want to make it clear about what was really said was that he was just overthinking six steps ahead as opposed to being in the moment of going on a date with you. Like, maybe you guys could have a kiss and then figure out where it goes. Also, there was something just very funny about Austin whispering about this, you know, like, Charlie, what the hell was going on at the pool? Let me tell you, give you a little context, because he just got ahead of himself. You know, maybe you guys could kiss. But I just thought something about him whispering about it, because this is what I do at every party is whisper. Made me seriously giggle. You weren't really whispering to me this weekend. So was I the subject? Oh, shit. I was screaming into your ear on that boat. That's true. There was no whispering. You couldn't whisper. No. My throat still hurts. Okay. So then we get a Craig and Sally moment. And Craig asks Sally, like, are we good? Like, are we good now? And he's like, you keep spreading stories about me that aren't true. I just don't understand you. Would this sound like something I'm going to say? You know me. And Sally in her confessional is like, this is a Mary Mahoney moment. Craig Conover is the ultimate gaslighter. And I couldn't agree with her more. I've been saying it for weeks. And Craig's just like, you know what the simple fix is, Sally? It's like, just ask me, okay? Just ask me. Now I need to know, though, who told Sally? She says it was Shep, but I just don't see Shep delivering it in the way that Sally said it. Unless maybe it still was Austin and it still was to Sally and she decided to twist it because, as we said, if Sally can't have Craig, nobody can. Right. This seems to be a big game of telephone. And to be honest, I don't think anyone did anything wrong here. There's no like team. I think Sally did. There's no sides. No, I think she's just a little jealous. Okay, so her jealousy, though, is trying to sabotage the future of Charlie and Craig. This is true. Yeah. Also, I'm so— You can still like Sally and recognize what she's doing. I'm also so curious what happens between Charlie and Craig. because they are absolutely adorable. They seem genuinely into each other. I wonder what, was it for filming? Was he just not that into it? Was she not that into it? Is it going to be because of like next week she finds out he's a monster and he's a gaslighter? I'm so curious what transpires. Did they do anything more? We know they kiss, right? But did they do anything more? Mexico is going to reveal a lot. Okay, let's talk the dinner. So we're at the dinner. Okay, I don't know why, too. Wittner's jacket, while I know it was a jean jacket, was also giving me, like, Sergeant Pepper. Oh, who's that? Like, Sergeant Pepper in the Lonely Hearts Club. It just felt, like, very, like, almost, like, kind of, like, this, like, military-esque jacket. I don't know. I couldn't stop looking at it. I think I'm just trying to find things wrong with him because he seems like such a catch. Well, he did say his temper. He talked about that. Yeah. Okay, so we have dinner outside. The Wittners, I forgot what his last name is. The Wittners are in the middle and they when they have dinner, you can always lift your plate up and find a card. And I will say this, like Madison, would also be my nightmare. I hate like organized fun. This felt very Housewives. Let's all put a question in the middle. And you trust the least. Right. I wonder if this is production or they genuinely do this at their dinner parties. He said, at any dinner party I have, like my parents have hosted, you can always bet that you'll find a card underneath. Did you believe that Yeah I did Honestly I want to be like Wittner parents Like have your friends kids over open door policy just a really warm home They couldn't have been nicer hosts and hostesses. They were feeding them well. I also thought it was very cute than everyone helping to clean. Good times. Yeah, definitely. But let's talk some of the questions. Right. So the first question is, what do you wish you were better at saying no to? Vanita making it about Sally. Stop it, Vanita. I wish that I was better at saying no to being overprotective. I was like, that doesn't even fit the question. Right, right. Sheps was pretty funny. He's like, day drinking. What about you, Mary? Probably in my past day drinking as well. I feel like now I'm going to say no. Mine would be online shopping. I wish I was better at saying no to the purchases that I actually end up making. Like when the box arrives and you're unclear about what's in it, that's when you know you have a problem. Because like boxes show up on my porch all the time. Over 50% of the time, I don't know what they are. Of course. To be fair, there are things that are sent to me without my knowledge because you send things on my behalf. Yes. But when the boxes come, I'm like, oh, shit. What did I order? What did I get excited about last night? What did the gummy buy? It's the Apple Pay when you don't have to get your credit card. And they're all saved. And then I get annoyed when I do have to get the credit card. I'm like, how is this not automatically going through? It's like when most of the websites also have my info stored as a repeat customer. It's bad. So I think that's what I would like to be better at saying no to. Give me something else. No to? Probably me. You wish you were better at saying no to me? No. I'll come back to this. I know we won't because we have terrible memories. Well, let's talk about the reliving a moment. Okay. I would like to relive college. Like all four years. All four years? Yes. What about you? I'll choose my trip with my mom to Italy. That was fun. Cute. For her 60th birthday. I'll relive that with her. Okay. Okay. Austin would relive getting butt naked in a bar in New Zealand. I'd like to see that. That's Sally. when she's like i love a dad bod i love something to hold on to i relate i like a dad bod because that means i don't have to be like ripped sure sure it's tough like if i'm gonna have a sweet treat and you're not we have a problem right right and sally also just likes whatever body is currently in front of her no no no no no no like if it was austin or it was craig or it was West or it was Kyle or it was the McBee brother. Go for it. Go for it, girl. The guy, Andrew, that she dated last season, Joey Bottles, Gaston. All different bods. What personality trait would you like to change? I don't think I'm hotheaded, according to Wintner. He is. Craig says his reactiveness. He needs to work on it. I react. But then 30 seconds later, I'm a lot calmer. And like Austin's like, ugh. I would slow down. Okay. I do things too fast. Yeah, I'm a little bit more detail-oriented. Yeah. What about you? Well, I'd probably have to let go of control. Yeah. I won't. Like, the thing is, is that we know what these things are. We're just not going to do them. Like, if you can be aware of it, I'm crazy. I'm aware. This is why we work. Okay, so then like Austin's like, I got to go pee. Sally like says like can I come do you need a hand he's a down dog does she say I want to blink I want I want Austin's fucking dick okay that's what I thought and like Molly's face is like chill out but Sally is also wasted sure sure okay then like Charlie's like be be nice Craig be nice to him. He's going through a breakup. And Craig's like, who? What? Austin? Well, me and Shep don't know that. It's like, but this is how he finds out. Craig is like, I don't want Austin to think I'm talking about him, but I'm happy he did it. It's also so strange how obsessed they are with Austin breaking up with Audrey. So you can only imagine the conversations off camera that have been about this. I mean, truly, if I'm Audrey, I feel terrible watching this season, you know, just knowing that my boyfriend hated me. And even though we get this like scene, and I'm not, I don't want to fast forward to the next word, but we get the scene where he's like, yeah, usually I'd like call Audrey right now. And like, I'm supposed to like feel bad for him. Like, I don't feel bad for you. Call Sally. She'll pick up. Okay. So then we finish up dinner. Everyone's helping cleaning up. Craig's like offering Charlie, his sweatpants and t-shirt. There's something very strange about that, if you ask me. No, Craig is such a lover boy in the sense of where he wants to, like, he will form to whatever partner he has. Oh, he's a chameleon, yeah. Like, he is a chameleon, and he wants to be, like, hospitable, and he thinks, like, that's what the girl wants, right? Is like, let me give you, like, let me claim you in this space. Like, I want people to know that I like you. Very, like, ownership vibes. No, you know what I mean? Like, wear my clothes. There's something very strange about it. I want people to know I like you, and I want them to know that I'm serious. Like, you could wear my clothes. You could wear my clothes. I don't know. I thought that brought me back to, like, college, you know, where you would, like, wear your boyfriend's sweatshirt or whatever. Like, you know, you'd wear his letters. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. Okay. So then Austin and Shep sit down. We get to see the Birkenstocks. And Shep starts going in and is like, dude, you're just, you're indecisiveness. And Austin's like, no, I have kittens and tattoos. Like his commitments in life were the cats and the tattoos. Look at me. These are forever. And Shep's just like, no, man, I'm like being your friend. You know, the Audrey thing. I think you, you know, you got to pick a lane. Meanwhile, Madison's head keeps on popping in, like ask questions, ask questions. The editing on this was absolutely hysterical. And Austin's just like, you know, man, I'd rather not talk about it. Austin's like, let me get hair of the dog tomorrow when we're fishing. And then I'll tell you everything because I'm a blabbermouth when I've been drinking. Yeah. Like he's like, Austin is like using this as a power play right now. I know that you might know something. He's like, well, you know, Madison and Rodrigo, our friendships are elevated. I mean, Shep asks this, but he basically confirms, like, they have a better idea of where my head is at right now. Not you, because, like, you want to destroy me with, like, the DMs of girls in the West Village. Right. I actually feel like Shep really wasn't trying to at that point. Sure, sure. But, I mean, little Austin's little heart is broken, you know? You can't take things personally in a friendship. Like, you're so sensitive. I think you should take things personally in a friendship, but boys are different. Well, it's also scary because he really can't trust Craig or Shep. He doesn't know what is going to happen on camera and what's going to happen off camera. Well, because right now, it seems for Austin, the threesome is split of Craig and Shep together, Austin over here. When really like Shep's like, I will be over here with you, Austin. Like I'm actually like I'm middling right now. Like I don't have a dog in this fight. Like I'm not out to get you. Like in the past, I probably was. History is not repeating itself right now, but I do see how you could think it was. Sure. Okay, let's take a break and talk about the next morning. Austin is so hungover. He's like, kill me. I must seize the day. Seize it. This was like the Lou Water moment for me. Like, water. Water. I mean, they flashback because Molly comes into Sally's room. And Sally, I know both Sally and Austin, they're that red wine drunk. You know, like that headache that you get the next day from the tannins of red wine. Sure. There is a pounding happening that you are like, this is not good. There is nothing that's going to cure this except having another drink right now. Like, that's the level of hungover they are. Because Sally the night before is like, Austin's going to eat this ass by the end of the year. Austin's going to eat this ass by the end of the year. No, they had a great time till four o'clock in the morning. Whitney's parents got to hear it all. It looks like a blast. They were having. This would be a fun night to be at. Like, I know that they were all having a blast. Craig asks, have you ever masturbated to a statue? It's like, have you? Like that, not that statue. It's got a fupa. Riveting conversations. I mean, I just know that they were having the best time. A blast. Luckily, Wittner's parents made them bacon, eggs. They got to try Craig's honey. I want to hate this, but it's so good. And then we have three different activities. So you can go see the horses. You could go fishing or you could have a romantic date a la The Notebook. That was pretty romantic. It really was. It was very sweet. I hope she didn't get the poison ivy. Have you ever had poison ivy? No. Have you? Me neither. I don't think I'm allergic to it. Have you found yourself in poison? I haven't found myself in a situation where poison ivy was available to get to my body. It's everywhere. Oh, man. Everywhere. No, I think. In the cities? I mean, you hike. I hike. I hike Runyon Canyon. Oh, where I hike. There's poison oak everywhere. Some people are not allergic. I've gone 40 years without ever getting that. Okay, so we have our notebook moment. They're giggly. They're very cute. And they, you know, they keep on saying, I like you. They have a great time together. It was cute. It felt very romantic and cute that I'm bummed that they're not together today. Agreed. Agreed. It seems like the group is going to get the best of Charlie, I think. And I think you're right. We might see that angry side of Craig, his reactiveness, if you will. He'd love to change it. I think we might see that in Mexico and it might be a turnoff for her. And with Sally's encouragement. Sure. Sure. Then do the horses combo, because this group is like Wittner. It's Vanita, Sally and Molly. Vanita is hanging out the back of her best friend's ride. Yes. TLC. I'm like, please be careful, Vanita. They go to the pool. They're sitting in the pool house. And Vanita loves to make like an underhanded comment towards Sally. But then when she gets called out on it, she's like, where is this coming from? And then she likes to walk away. Right. So Vanita's eating an apple and Sally's like, is it good? Is it sour? And Vanita says it's pretty good. She gives Sally a bite of it and Sally agrees with her and that's why. And then the underhanded comment of start listening to me again. Mm-hmm. And then they're kind of like, you know, I thought we were over this yesterday. And then they just, they'd start going at it. Sally says to Vanita, basically, like, you give me information, I say it out loud, and then I become the scapegoat because I'm the one who said it when you're feeding me this information. And, like, Wintner's in there and Molly's in there. And Vanita's like, well, I brought it to you, but I said don't bring it into the group. Mm-hmm. Vanita did not look good. here and it makes me sad and i i felt bad for her i understand why she started crying and that she had to get up but she needs to fall on the sword a little bit like why are you coming for me and molly and sally have had that head spa where they bonded over there and they're like is vanita trying to like cause drama between people and then whitner also says something too he's kind of mean to vanita at one point is like i'm here for molly not you and vanita snaps so she's like shut the fuck up. This has nothing to do with you I was like whoa whoa whoa Yeah I was like wait what And then you know Vinny she feeling attacked and betrayed She doesn have any backup I thought that they were having a calm situation like this conversation where Sally was like, can you stop saying underhanded comments to me, and we can move past this? Like, I get it. You hate Craig. I now hate Craig. We could be on the same side. And we'll get Austin. And the win for me is I can fuck Austin, and then we can fuck up Craig. Come on. It's a double win for me, Vanita. Get over here. I do think there's something way deeper going on here. And I think that Vanita feels like she's getting pushed out of the group of filming, like losing her job. I think there's something much deeper going on here. I think only she says that. Like, I don't know if she's communicating that to everyone else because she's taking it way more personally than I think the rest of them are. Sure. But it is sad. I just I keep on thinking about that Sierra comment. That is very highlighted to me for some reason. And that's why I have a lot of empathy for Renita here, even though I do think she's in the wrong. I just think you made a good point. Fall on the sword and be like, you know what? I said it to her. I don't know what I was thinking. I thought I was just talking to my best friend. And maybe she says to Molly off camera, too. I was like, I literally forgot the cameras are there. We were talking about it. I did not want it to be a plot point. I really am so sorry. Like, because Molly is totally fine, too, with having a girls alliance. Right. That's what we keep saying is like this. There needs to be this girls alliance as opposed to just girls who are cast on the show as plus ones to the guys. Right. Right. Yeah. And I think that they all want to move forward. But Vanita is still holding this like I was right. It's like, yes, you were right. But can we move on from it? And everyone has told Vanita to move on from it. Her mom, all the girls and the girls are willing to move on from it. Yes. Yes. I also was thinking, too, like, I feel like Madison was also getting annoyed with Vanita there, too. Well, no, because she wouldn't call her and tell her I'm having a baby if she was mad at her. Yeah, true. But I was also thinking, who would she call? She's not going to call Austin. Brett would be pissed. Like, who would she call in the cast? I mean, she is friends with Vanita, but I felt like she was maybe she was just thinking, Vanita, you're doing yourself no favors on this season right now. Yeah. I'm very excited to see how much they're going to show us of her delivery. I think we're just going to see the baby. I mean, or you think we'll get a Kourtney Kardashian moment where she just takes Teddy out? Isn't that crazy, the moments that stay with you? Like, that will always stay with me, watching her pull that baby out. That was wild. It was crazy. Like, she just leaned over, took it, pulled it. Yeah. Okay, let's talk fishing. okay so it's austin rod and shep fishing it was really funny that shep is a fisherman yet he was scared of the worms he couldn't put pierce it i wouldn't want to either that feels so mean i'm not even like a worm person but like we're just gonna take a live worm and pierce it that feels like a mean death they were doing catch and release catching and releasing because shep thinks that Austin needs to release Audrey. And then he finally asks him, like, are you single? And Austin's like, yes, we are broken up. It was interesting the power he wanted to hold over them to not tell them quite yet. Or do you think Rod told him or do you think that they got so drunk till 4 a.m. that something slipped? I mean, so many people knew. Madison, Sally, Charlie, Craig. It was pretty obvious. Wrong. But they had to catch it on camera. Yeah. Shep's like, well, you followed your heart and you're being honest with yourself. It's so big of you. You know, the man move is to be honest. And we don't have to talk about it anymore. Okay. Just like, Shep's like, I basically needed you to tell me because I figured it out. And you wouldn't tell me. And now I need to know because I'm the last of this group to know. You've punished me enough. It's also really weird to, like, know people are going to be excited that you broke up with someone. He wants a little bit of sympathy right now. Even if you know breaking up is the right thing to do, it's still hard. Totally. Yeah. Was I lying to you by saying totally? You'll never know. Okay. Then three days later, yes, Madison is in the hospital, but we also get the funeral of Chauncey. We get to see the pet cemetery. Kitty Kelly, Rocky, Toby, Smoochie, Ashley, Lily, Nyla. There's other cremated ones. They are up in the closet. That is where our family dog is as well. The dog has been in my parents' closet. Died in 2008. So almost 20 years has been in the closet. We don't know what to do with the ashes. As Austin was honored to be the priest in this moment, because Chauncey was a true legend. A couch warmer, a snack stealer, a friend. What he lacked in brains, he made up in spirit. He chat-GBT'd that speech, right? It was cute, though. Honestly, any time bagpipes are played and they were doing, I think it was Amazing Grace, it just, it's so sad. It just reminds you of a funeral. It was. I know. the pet cemetery made me think of disneyland and the haunted mansion line do you know what i'm talking about like that one side when you're outside it has all these like graves of like funny names and it just really got me there the pet cemetery but i was like could we not have invited anybody else it was what was austin's relationship to chauncey i mean i know we'd mentioned a few episodes back but it felt it felt lonely there it was a sad day i was like where's randy to dj ave maria well they had the bagpipers true i can't believe we actually got to see that that that made the cutting room yeah we go to mexico next week i'm excited i've been waiting for these mexico episodes i think it's going to be electric i think you're going to be right we're going to get in the beginning of the episode like let's wrap up madison she's going to be off for a little bit and then let's get the group to the airport we're going to mexico yes okay let's talk a little VPR. And we have a special treat for you guys. Yes. Shane Davis is coming on the pod. It is very raw. It is a good listen. I love him. You know, we got to learn about his verticals this week. He was taking one of the eyebrow cousins to see what he does and introduce him to the producers and directors. Not enough Shane Davis for me personally. And I feel like our interview kind of gives us why we don't see as much of him too. Okay, so the main thing this week is that Venus will be hosting Pride. And of course, he has to go to Lisa's house to do a photo shoot because we have to shoehorn Lisa in somewhere. The filter on Lisa was working overtime. We didn't need her house for the Pride shoot. And the problem here for me too, Venus hosting it, Well, that's great. We don't know them. I know. It was a myth. We don't know them. Like, Marcus being like, all these people are coming to see me, DJ? No, they're not. We don't know you. Did you go to Pride this year? No. Why do I feel like people were saying, like, Sir was just not crowded this past Pride? I wasn't there this year. I was in Europe. Okay. Maybe I'm wrong. It might not have been. Yeah. Because we don't know Venus and we don't know DJ Marcus J. Right. Or to Jay who doesn't want to wear condoms because him and Kim are apparently stable this week. So they're okay with having a baby. They're not not trying. Famous last words. It's like watching them be like, we are the stable couple. I know. She's so in love with him. She's like, I don't want a baby today. Wink. I also feel like we haven't got to completely know her. She hasn't got a lot of like one-on-one screen time. Her whole story is Marcus. Or fighting with Natalie. Yeah, I want to know her separately. Yeah. I mean, she doesn't want to live with him. She likes her space. But it's only because she wants a ring or a baby. That's how she'll live with him, which, fair, fair. Because the way that your relationship is going, that you break up every other day, it's probably a good choice that you have a solid home. Yeah. At one point, Lisa literally says, she says to them, wait, you guys are back together? And she's like, yeah. She's like, oh, sorry, that was this morning you weren't. Mm-hmm. Lisa has also, in that scene where she says that at Sur, is wearing a blazer, of course. She's in her magician look, but she's taken off the collared shirt. So it's just a tie under the vest. Her fashion's always been bad. It's terrible. Right. There's the color palette. She does blues, purples, and pinks. Only those three colors. Exactly. Yeah. So Chris and Audrey, this is a storyline that she's still upset about the Bali trip, which I'm pretty sure Chris has still gone on. And she and Chris, before Paso Robles, had bought the VIP guide experience at Universal Studios, which is under the NBC umbrella. She's trying to convince us that they bought these tickets before the trip. This is an integration. We have to watch them in Harry Potter land. We have to watch them on the Jurassic Park ride. And then we have to watch them break up. I like how she broke up with him, though. I feel like she's very emotionally mature. She's only 22. We know that because we went to her 22nd birthday party. I feel like she did a great job breaking it off. And she's like, you know, we're either going to go all in or we're going to go out and I'm ready to pull back. Mary, we watched this together and I literally said, they'll get back together. We didn't have to wait an extra episode because when we were at the beach and the level of drunk at this beach party. But there is this moment that they are it's Marcus, Kim and Venus and they are taking an Uber or production is driving them to Hermosa Beach. And Venus is eating a grocery store rotisserie chicken straight from the bag and a bottle of ranch that he is licking from the spout every time he takes a bite of chicken. I have never been one thank you for the innovation but two I'm disgusted he really needed something to dip that in he is a ranch guy there was lots of making out Natalie and Jason Natalie with another girl Allison yep um she was having a good day she was having a fun time they were they probably all three went home together maybe I don't know like the brother cousin eyebrow guys they live close by because they're in Marina Del Rey and maybe they'll use the kitchen bed. Good question. Like, what is the bed situation? I don't know. Somebody give us a layout of the apartment. Yeah. Please. I think it might be for OnlyFans. No, that's the OnlyFans bed. Yeah. That's the massage bed. Yes. Double dildo bed. Yes. Okay. Okay. Did you want to also talk about the Venus moment of his last hookup? Seven years ago. But then two years ago. There's some learned lines. He said he had to clarify his hookup. Two years ago, he started working at Sir, and he said, I'm not sure how long I'll be here. I'd like to hook up in the VIP bathroom, except that he doesn't. What he actually does is hook up in his car in the Sir alleyway where he made out with another co-worker for a hot second, but then he got a BJ from them. And that he was so pent up that when he came to fruition, it hit the ceiling and it got all over both of them. And then they just went back to work. Is that the story? I think you repeated it correctly. And that's a wild ride, literally. To be young. To be young. I loved it. I also thought it was funny, too, that they walked into TomTom and, like, had to have a reservation. Because can you imagine any of the other, like, the former cast being like, yes, a table for two under Stassi? Right. They just would never. They just made me laugh. It's low stakes. Definitely listen to the Shane Davis interview, you guys. I'm obsessed. Like we we love Shane Davis here. Yes. We will take no Shane Davis slander. Right. Final thoughts? Another fun episodes. Like I think that we are just feeling pretty lucky with the content we're getting. Sometimes there's bad seasons like people are talking about like I'm not even enjoying Summer House so far. I'm like, what? No. People are like, I don't know if I could do another season of this Southern charm. I'm like, what? This reboot of Vanderpump Rules isn't hitting? What? No. I disagree on all the above. And with that, see you tomorrow with Shane Davis. Bye. you