This is an iHeart Podcast. Guaranteed human. Welcome. It is Verdict with Senator Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson. With you, Senator, we've got a jam-packed show, and we can start with some exciting news. You decided to write a book, yet again, another book, which more than likely I'm going to predict it now. We like making predictions here on Verdict. I'm going to predict right now, I want it to be clear, on 4-22-2026, I am predicting that your book will be a bestseller. that's my confidence in you. So there you go. Well, I appreciate that. So this is book number five. I am really excited. Books one through four have all been bestsellers. So I'm hopeful book number five will be. And this one is a topic that I'm really excited about. So my latest book is coming out in August, and it is a biography of Justice Clarence Thomas. It is entitled Going Further, The Incomparable Clarence Thomas. And what I try to do is a couple of things. Number one, tell his story. I know Justice Thomas very well. 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So, Senator, this is one of those books that I actually was excited about. I can't remember if it was a year ago, year and a half ago. We were having dinner, and you were basically taking the temperature of like, all right, what do you guys think if I did a book about Clarence Thomas? Yeah. I got excited about it because I know, number one, how much you love Clarence Thomas and how well you know him. Two, that is your history with the Supreme Court. It's something you genuinely love. You loved your time there when you clerked. You love having many of your best friends involved somehow the court. I think that makes this really exciting. But rarely do you get an opportunity as a senator to then write a book about someone else that you admire in the game of politics. And you kind of got to hit pause and just spend time talking about an amazing man. I'm very lucky. I got to know him when I was much younger, when I was starting out in Washington, D.C. Have so much respect for Clarence Thomas. And this is just what a cool story to get to write the book as well. Well, I've been blessed. I've known Justice Thomas for more than 30 years. And I think he is truly an American hero. There's a reason the subtitle of this book is The Incomparable Clarence Thomas, because there's nobody else like it. You know, if you think about someone, number one is life story. Justice Thomas grew up in Pinpoint, Georgia, an incredibly poor rural area. It's an island just off the coast of Georgia. He grew up actually not speaking English, speaking a dialect, either Guller or Gaichi, depending on how you describe it. that was a dialect unique to the area. He grew up in absolute poverty. He was raised by his grandfather. His grandfather raised him as, Justice Thomas's autobiography is entitled My Grandfather's Son, and it's one of the best autobiographies I've ever read. I highly recommend it to everyone. He tells his story of coming from nothing, enduring racism, enduring oppression, enduring poverty, and he excelled academically. He initially, he thought he was going to be a Catholic priest. He went to seminary. His plan was to be a Catholic priest. And then he got disillusioned. He got disillusioned by the church's unwillingness to stand up to racism, to stand up to the incredible racial discrimination we saw in this country. He then went to Holy Cross for college. He went to Yale for law school. He was a young radical. Clarence Thomas was a left-wing, black power radical. In fact, he was part of a riot that happened in Harvard Square when he was a student. He could have easily gotten arrested. He could have easily destroyed his entire career then. He got fortunate that didn't happen. And then the journey he went from being an angry black man, and that's how Clarence Thomas described himself, a left-leaning radical in college, to becoming a conservative. That took years. That took more than a decade. And his journey through going to work for Jack Danforth, who was the attorney general of Missouri. He was a Republican at the time. Clarence Thomas was not a Republican. He didn't really want to go work for a Republican. But coming out of Yale Law School as a black man in an era of affirmative action, every major law firm he applied to said no. They did not value his degree. He went to work for Jack Danforth. He had an incredible experience. He learned to practice law in Missouri. He enjoyed it a great deal. He then went after a brief stint at Monsanto, the big chemical company. He went to D.C. to work for Jack Danforth, who got elected to the Senate, and he was a Capitol Hill staffer. And we talk about in the book, I lay out how he ended up being outed, outed an interview with Juan Williams that he didn't realize he was having. He was going and speaking at a conference, and suddenly Juan Williams wrote a big expose in the Washington Post about this black conservative, and his life changed dramatically. And from there, he went on to be the Assistant Secretary of Education under Ronald Reagan for Civil Rights, and then he became the chairman of the EEOC, which he did nearly eight years. He then became a federal appellate judge on the D.C. Circuit, and then he became, in his early 40s, a Supreme Court justice, the second black justice in history, and the journey. There is nobody else who has traveled a journey from bleak poverty in Pinpoint, Georgia, to a Supreme Court justice. And Clarence Thomas right now, Ben, do you know that Justice Thomas is two years away from being the longest-serving Supreme Court justice in the history of the United States. I did not know that. So William O. Douglas right now has that record. Clarence Thomas will surpass that record in 2028. And, and as I said, I've known him a long time. I admire him. I think he's truly an American hero. And I think his story is inspirational. And I got to say, if the guy were a liberal, he would be venerated. He would be celebrated. You would, you would have a law school buildings named after him in law schools and universities would be clamoring for him to come speak and he'd be celebrated because he's a minority on the Supreme Court. He would be an icon of icons. That's exactly right. You would have honorary degrees from law schools. You'd have elementary schools named after him. You would have liberal talk show hosts inviting him on and just fawning over him You have them pushing chic attire Remember Notorious RBG Notorious I was literally He would be the male version of her basically No no The entire culture would elevate him The Smithsonian Museum on African American History would have an entire section dedicated to him. Instead, because he's a conservative, he has endured enormous racism, enormous vilification, enormous hate, enormous attacks. And I think his story is incredibly consequential, but also his impact on the court is profound. And so about a year and a half ago, I called him up and said, Justice, can I come by the chambers to talk with you? He said, sure. So I went by. He didn't know what I wanted to talk about. And I said, listen, I want to write this biography of you. I think it's an important story to tell. And I'll tell you, Ben, you know, he looked at me and he said, by the way, he did not know this was coming. I I want everybody to really understand. Yeah, I just said, hey, can we talk? He said, sure. I bet you if you would have said, Ted Cruz is coming to see today, rank and order the top 100 things you think you might want to talk to you about. I bet you none of those 100 would have been he wants to write an autobiography about me. Well, not an autobiography, but a biography. A biography, excuse me, a biography. Yeah. So, look, I do think he, I don't know that he was surprised, but I don't think he expected that. And it was interesting, his comment was about a year and a half ago, and he sort of stopped and reflected for a minute. and he said, you know, Ted, if it was anyone else asking, he said, I would say no. He said, if you were just a law professor, he said, I would not be willing to cooperate. But it was very kind. He said, because it's you, the answer is yes. And what proceeded for the next year is I did a whole series of one-on-one interviews, about nine and a half hours I spent with him, one-on-one, where I just head over to his chambers, And I'd spend an hour or two just asking him questions. And it was free flowing. Asking him questions about his life, his childhood growing up, about the time of the court, about his jurisprudence. And part of what he said is he said, look, your background. So I was a Supreme Court law clerk for Chief Justice Rehnquist. That's when I first got to know him when I was a law clerk. Then I was a lawyer in private practice. than I was the Solicitor General of Texas, and my entire career was litigating in front of the Supreme Court. So I argued nine cases at the Supreme Court. And then, obviously, for the last 14 years, I've been in the Senate and have been on the Senate Judiciary Committee, so I've been part of numerous judicial confirmation hearings, Supreme Court confirmation hearings. And what Justice Thomas said is, he said, look, with your background, I think you can tell this story in a way that is effective and what i wanted to do ben so as i said my grandfather's son is a fabulous autobiography so if you just want his life story go buy that book it's fabulous but my grandfather's son ends when he goes to the supreme court so what i tried to do with this book uh is tell his story but also analyze his jurisprudence, 30 years of Supreme Court opinions, why they mattered, why they were consequential. And what I try to do in the book is explain it in a way that is understandable. You don't have to be a lawyer. You don't have to be a constitutional expert. I try to write every book. As I said, this is book number five. Every book I've written, I try to write so that a smart high school student can read it and get it and understand it. So you don't have to be an expert. But why does Justice Thomas's jurisprudence matter? And so I try to interweave that and tell that story. As I mentioned, the website is goingfurther.com, goingfurther.com. And I would encourage you, go to the website right now, goingfurther.com, and pre-order the book. The book will come out in August. So if you pre-order it right now, in August when it comes out, it'll be shipped straight to you. It is, I think, a fun read. It's an interesting read. I really, really enjoyed writing this book. You know, it's interesting. I don't think you know this, but the first Supreme Court justice I ever met was Clarence Thomas. I did not know that. And I told him, and I don't think I've ever told you this either. The Clarence Thomas hearings was the first political thing I ever watched in TV. I was, I think, 10 years old. Wasn't it 1991? Isn't that right? I think that was the time. It was 91. 91. And by the way, for our younger listeners, you may not know this. So George Herbert Walker Bush nominated him to the court. And his confirmation was the most brutal Supreme Court confirmation hearing we've ever seen. Ever. It followed Robert Borks. Robert Borks was really ugly and brutal. In fact, Robert Borks' confirmation hearing turned his name into a verb. To bork someone is to attack them unfairly to go after them. because the Senate Democrats, led by Ted Kennedy, savaged Robert Bork. Clarence Thomas took it to a totally different order of magnitude. So one of the things I do in the book is break down the entire confirmation hearings, the allegations of sexual harassment by Anita Hill. I break them down. And by the way, the Clarence Thomas hearing set the stage for the Brett Kavanaugh impeachment hearings, where they were not impeachment hearings, but confirmation hearings. they felt like impeachment hearings, where they replayed the same playbook, including anonymous allegations that the Democrats had for months. They sat on, they didn't release it on the eve of the vote. They leaked them to the press to just slander the nominee. And so I walked through and part of what I do, the Brett Kavanaugh confirmation hearing, I was intimately involved in. I was on the Senate Judiciary Committee. So part of what I do in the book is draw the parallels between those two, but try to tell the inside story. But for those too young to remember, I will say Clarence Thomas was savaged at a level. There have been very few people in public life who ever have. And I've got to say, after Donald Trump, I don't think there is anybody the left hates more than Clarence Thomas. And that's part of why I got excited about writing this book, because I've got to say, if you were to pick a role model, someone to say, I want to be like that person. Yeah, I am hard pressed to find a better example than Clarence Thomas for someone deeply principled. And by the way, his journey, he didn't arrive at his beliefs and principles today. It took him decades to get there, but it was a commitment to truth, and it was a perseverance that I'm going to stick to truth even if the whole world comes crashing down upon me, even if I'm criticized. So many people in public life, when they're criticized, they give in. They surrender. They give up everything they believe. Clarence Thomas has not. He will go down in history as one of the most consequential Supreme Court justices to ever live. and and I gotta say let's say you're a young person right now maybe you don't want to be a lawyer you don't want to be a judge maybe you want to be I don't know you want to be an accountant you want to be a business person you want to be a nurse I don't know what you want to be Clarence Thomas is a role model of what it means to live a principled life and and that's why I got excited about telling this story because I don't think this story has been told in a long time in a way that is effective and communicates. And so, again, I would encourage you to go to goingfurther.com. You can pre-order the book. I think you're going to like it. It's a fun book. It's readable. It's understandable. I've got lots of stories that Justice Thomas has not told previously about the inside. I was going to ask for one tease. Give us one little thing that even you learned that was surprising to you that you put in the book. Look, we will get to more teases in the weeks and months to come. No, I like this. He's selling right now. I like this. This is good. This is citizenship. What I will say. All right. Last week, Clarence Thomas gave a speech at the University of Texas. Yeah. And the speech was positively magisterial. In fact, I texted Justice Thomas and I told him, thank you. That was an important speech. It was beautifully done. I want to play a minute of the speech so you can hear, because this really sort of encapsulates who he is. I was proud of UT for inviting him. I think the student body, those in attendance, were enraptured. Give a listen to what Justice Thomas said last week in his speech at UT. There isn't a single judge I know who does hard things because they get joy out of it. They do hard things because they signed up to do hard things. And they may not agree with it, and it may be difficult. They may think it's not a great law. But their job as Article III judges is to enforce the law, to interpret it and to apply it to that particular case When I first became a judge Judge Larry Subman who unfortunately passed away said ask yourself before each case what is my role in this case as a judge Notice how that limits you. Not as a person, not as a Catholic, not as a policymaker, not as a husband, as a judge. and that is early on that required more discipline. More discipline. Yeah, that's a great way of putting that from Clarence Thomas there. You said earlier, being a kid in the audience at UT, getting to hear this conversation, truly an incredible moment. And I will say, when he's talking about being a judge and more discipline, a lot of what I talk about in the book is his approach to being a judge. And it's very much, look, his grandfather, he was raised by his grandfather, his grandfather worked him hard. He worked delivering fuel oil. He worked on the farm. He helped build their home on the farm. He worked his fingers literally bloody. His grandfather, during the bitter cold of the winter, would not let Clarence Thomas wear gloves because he thought gloves made you soft. He wanted to make him strong and tough and disciplined. And part of what Clarence Thomas does. He did it, by the way. Yes. The school of hard knocks mentality behind a lot of great men, they had really tough people in their life that made them into great men. And that's an example of that. Well, and Clarence Thomas had enormous expectations on him and his approach to being a justice. There are a lot of justices who use much more highfalutin rhetoric. You look at Clarence Thomas' opinions, they're plain spoken, they're very matter-of-fact, that they are designed so they can be read by every man. So they can, and look, he was growing up in Georgia with a lot of poor African Americans surrounding them, many of whom were illiterate. His grandparents who raised him were almost functionally illiterate. They had very limited reading skills. And so he tries to write his opinions in a way that they are accessible, they're straightforward. And he approaches each opinion. I use the analogy in the book, it's like a carpenter. It's like someone building a home. He lays the foundation. He frames the house. He does it piece after piece, trying to get to the truth. and and the title of the book going further if you look at 30 plus years of clarence thomas's time on the court his consistent theme is we should go further that's a quote from his dissent in the term limits case but but it is a theme that that other great conservative justices would say let's go do x and he would say no let's go further and his focus is let's get back to the original understanding of the Constitution. Let's go all the way. And the impact he has had has changed law profoundly. And I want you to listen to him again at UT last week, talking about the importance of the Constitution, but also the importance of the Declaration of Independence. And I think Clarence Thomas emphasizes and highlights the Declaration more than any other justice. Here, give a listen. None of our rights come from the government. All of the government's authority comes from our consent. And the structure and limited role of government is to assure that it does not exceed the authority to which we have consented or intrude on our natural rights. The Constitution is the means of government. It is the Declaration that announces the ends of government. The Constitution achieves this purpose by protecting our natural rights and our liberties from concentrated power and excessive democracy. Our Constitution creates a separation of powers and federalism, truly for the first time in modern history, to prevent the government from becoming so strong that it threatens our natural rights. He takes his time, and that's one of the things. He doesn't wing it. He understands when he speaks. Yeah, these words are deliberate. And you can tell that he has just an incredible amount of passion and care for this country. And I also think when you get a little bit older, you probably are thinking about your legacy and what you're leaving behind. And he clearly speaks that way to those students going, hey, I'm not always going to be here being a shepherd. Somebody else is going to have to step forward and do this. And it may take a lot of people to accomplish what he's done in his lifetime. Well, and I'll tell you again in that UT speech, he contrasts the principles of the Declaration of Independence, the principles of the Constitution, the immutable principles upon which our country was founded. He contrasts them with progressivism. And progressivism, I think, has been a poison that has led the United States in a very dangerous direction. Listen to Justice Thomas drawing that contrast. progressivism seeks to replace the basic premises of the declaration of independence and hence our form of government it holds that our rights and our dignities come not from god but from government it requires of the people a subservience and weakness incompatible with a Constitution premised on the transcendent origin of our rights. Wow. I mean, wow. What else can you say besides wow? And by the way, you might say, well, gosh, is progressivism really at war with the principles of the Declaration of Independence? You may remember last year at a Senate Foreign Relations Committee when Tim Kaine, Democrat from Virginia, was questioning a nominee to the State Department, a President Trump nominee to the State Department, who had written in his testimony that our rights come from God, not government. And Tim Kaine got outraged, and he said, that is a radical statement. That is a dangerous statement. That is an extreme statement. That is the kind of thing theocratic societies like Iran believe. We don't believe that. God doesn't give us our rights. Government does. And I walked in right as Tim Kaine was saying this, And I had a whole line of questioning that I planned to go down on the hearing, and I threw it all in the trash, and I spoke shortly after Tim Kaine. And I said, you know, Tim Kaine said the idea that our rights come from God is a radical and dangerous and extreme idea, and he's right, it is. It also happens to be the founding principle upon which our nation was created. and and i said listen if you don't believe me maybe maybe you're you're inclined you're politically left of center and you may be inclined not to believe me if you don't maybe you might believe another virginian who wrote we hold these right we we hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are created equal and that they are endowed by their creator not by government not by the DNC, but by God Almighty, with certain unalienable rights that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. That was, of course, Thomas Jefferson. That was in the Declaration. That's what Justice Thomas is referring. And part of what was so disturbing about Tim Kaine so cavalierly dismissing the idea that our rights come from God and instead insisting they come from government is Tim Kaine and the Democrat Party is not some crazy radical. He's not Bernie Sanders. He's not Elizabeth Warren. He was Hillary Clinton's vice presidential nominee. He is about as mainstream a Democrat as you can find. And it really shows how progressivism has suffused the Democrat Party. And I got to say, at UT last week also, Justice Thomas talked about the need to engage and engage in the fight for truth. Here, give a listen. I think if we don't stand up and take ownership of our country and take responsible for it, we are slowly letting others control how we think and what we think. I think the beauty of going to school is that you learn how to think for yourselves. You develop the discipline to think things through. If you think it's losing confidence, then you get up and you participate. You don't sit on the sidelines. You think that the state is being run inconsistent with how you feel? Then you get up and you participate. You prepare yourself. If you think that the medical profession is not right, well you become a doctor or a medical person and you deal with that I think we need to take ownership of our country It our country It our country And you know one of the things he said there that was interesting is he said you know you go to school to learn, you know, to figure out what you believe and what you think and those type of things. I think the left says... And to learn how to think. And learn how to think. They think, no, no, no, you come here so we can indoctrinate you and tell you what to think and tell you what to say and tell you what to protest and tell you what to how to act that is the difference between conservatism and liberalism on a college campus well let me say this if you're a young person maybe you're in high school maybe you're in college maybe you're a young professional maybe you're not that young anymore maybe you're in your 30s or your 40s or your 50s or maybe you're 60 70 80 maybe you're in your 90s um if you want a hero i think you could do a lot worse than clarence thomas that's a great way of putting it he is someone look i spent the better part of a year writing this book um there's a lot of things to devote my time to the reason i wrote this book is I believe this book needed to be written. His story needed to be told. His autobiography is great, but it was written a long time ago. And a lot of people today haven't read it. And his jurisprudence, there have been other books that have been written that have been academic discussions of his jurisprudence. And if you're a federal judge, if you're a law professor, that can be useful. But there's very little in terms of if you're just an American who cares about our country, who cares about truth, there's very little that explains what Clarence Thomas has stood for, what he said, what he's argued on the court. And this book, I've tried to do so in a way that is fun, that is interesting, that's telling inside stories. And so again, the website is goingfurther.com, goingfurther.com. I'd encourage you, if you're listening to this podcast right now, if you're watching on YouTube, just click over on your phone to goingfurther.com. Pre-order a copy, and you may even think about this will be August. If you have a child, if you have a grandchild, if you have a relative, you have a friend, birthday's coming up, Christmas is coming up. This book I wrote because I want people to read it. I want people to read it because I think Clarence Thomas's life, his journey, his principles, his his commitment to truth and his courage. Yeah. One of the things, frankly, courageous. I don't think people understand what a beating he took in the confirmation hearings. I go back to that data point there. It engaged me in politics. And I watched it as a 10-year-old. And my parents were really concerned because of the subject matter. They thought it was important for me to see. I was homeschooled at the time. What a confirmationary looked like. But also how there's good and evil in the world. And I think my parents were understanding that I was learning that there is evil and there is good. and I became not only a fan of his, but I also fell in love with the political process from watching it saying, I want to stand up to those people that are trying to destroy his life. And that's what I want to do with my life. And that was a very pivotal moment when I was 10 years old because two years later, I became in talk shows. Yeah, look, I remember it was 1991 during his confirmation hearing. I was in college. And I remember a good friend of mine who lived down the hall from me coming in and just being like, Ted, our guy is on the ropes. And it was brutal. I mean, they were savaging him at a level that conventional wisdom was this guy is going to crumble. He's not going to last. The president, George Herbert Walker Bush, he's going to lose faith and withdraw him. That could easily have happened. I think the Democrats were shocked that they did not destroy him with the assault they brought. And by the way, ever since he went to the court, he's been there over 30 years. And the left hates him with a venom. they accuse him of being stupid they accuse him of following white men they accuse him of just doing what what Antonin Scalia does there is a bigotry and racism from the left that is nasty listen Antonin Scalia was a rock rib conservative and yet the the left did not heap the hatred and and there is a sense from the left Clarence Thomas is a black man is not allowed to be a conservative. He is a traitor to his race for daring to have conservative beliefs. And I admire people who endure adversity and who persevere, who stay true to their principles. And so this book is really trying to tell the story in a way that I hope inspires you, and I hope inspires you in your life. Listen, I will say the folks that listen to Verdict, we have an amazing, we have millions of people that listen to this podcast and and and i love i i get the chance you do too ben all across the country we meet verdict listeners who come up they say i love the podcast i i listen to it it informs me i wrote this book because knowing our our verdict listeners i believe if you know who clarence thomas is what he has endured what he has stood for and the journey he has traveled that it will inspire you because it inspires me. That's why I wrote the book, and I think it'll be, I think it's a fun book. It's an interesting book. You know, a bunch of the guys on my team, they read it. I've written five books. I had several people who said when they read it, they said, I think this is the best book you've ever written. It's the most interesting. It's just fun and interesting to read. I hope that's right. I hope people enjoy it. Well, it's going to be cool. And your homework, as I describe it, is, hey, you got until August, until the book comes out, You can pre-order now, goingfurther.com, goingfurther.com. But I would challenge everybody. I'm going to be one of those. I've never read Clarence Thomas's autobiography. So I would say you got to August to read that. You pick up the story where that ends, in essence. It's the single best autobiography ever read. It was also excruciatingly painful for Justice Thomas to write. One of the things he shared, look, this book is based on nine and a half hours of one-on-one exclusive interviews, and he shared he doesn't intend to write another autobiography. He doesn't want to tell his own story because he had to relive really painful chapters, and in particular, his relationship with his grandfather. He was a very hard man. He was a strong man, but for a substantial chunk of their lives, they were estranged. estranged, and he goes through those painful chapters where at one point his grandfather threw him out of the house and said, you can't come in here anymore, and he details that, and I tell that story too, but it was, it made Clarence Thomas into the man he was, and he had periods where he struggled, his first marriage did not succeed, he struggled for a period of time with drinking. He was angry. He had rage for many years, and how he dealt with that, how he dealt with the rage, and the rage at racial bigotry. And a lot of what I talk about in the book is Justice Thomas's views on race, where he has been the most powerful and eloquent proponent of a colorblind constitution that our country's ever seen, of not having government discriminate based on race and and and and as an african-american um look one one story he describes is when he was in the reagan administration and he went was hauled he was head of the eoc was hauled to a meeting at the white house and and a white house staffer said here's what you got to do and clarence thomas responded there are only two things i got to do die and be black like that is clarence thomas he he is he is tough and strong and unshakable and and the entire world could pound down upon him and he will stand strong and resolute there you go grab the book again online you can pre-order it goingfurther.com that's goingfurther.com and obviously you can get clarence thomas's autobiography i'm sure online amazon wherever you get your books and grab both those. It's going to be really cool. What a fun show. I love getting to hit pause sometimes for the news of the day to talk about really important things like this. I hope it inspires people to get the book. Get it for your kids. Get it for your grandkids. I got my summer reading list now. I'm expecting my advanced copy so I can use it on summer vacation before August. And it should be signed, of course. So we'll make sure we do that. But grab it. Again, goingfurther.com. Ben, I can promise you, yours will be signed. To whom it may concern. Thank you. Thank you. That's so kind of you. To whom it may concern. Well played. All right. Well, send her out. We'll see you back here Friday morning for the next episode. Have a great day until then.
