#618 - Sam and Colby

Today's guests are some young paranormal explorers. They're those boo babies. You feel me? Them spook lurkers. And they're here today. They've amassed a huge following on YouTube, over 13 million subscribers. They've been to some of the scariest places on the planet. I'm looking forward to learning about that and getting my Halloween up. Today's guests are Sam and Colby. I know me, and I will find a song I've been singing just before. What do you guys call yourselves? Is it like Ghost Hunters? What is it? Honestly, we should rename our channel to just paranormal amigos from now on. Seance Monkeys, maybe? I'm just trying to think like... That's way cooler than just saying Ghost Hunters. Most people just call us Ghost Hunters, but honestly, we're just like two dudes with the camera. We just kind of document everything that happens to us. We're not experts at all. We don't know what we're doing, so we just go into these haunted places with the camera, and we just sit down and talk to us too and a couple of guests and see what happens. I wish we were psychics and mediums, but we can't channel them. Not that cool. It's almost like Ghostbusters, but like Community College kind of. Yeah, dude, exactly. That's hilarious. Like the off-brand TV goes. That's fun. That's honestly part of the adventure, so we have no idea what would happen. Sometimes it's the craziest thing we've ever seen, and then sometimes just nothing happens. Yeah, you guys have 15 million subs on YouTube now. How many people live in your hometown? Oh my God, maybe like less than 100,000. So it's like so bizarre to think about. It's well over from Kansas. So like small town Kansas to like all this stuff. It's definitely a wild experience for sure. So 150 of your hometowns, is that how many followers you get? All coming together. It's wild to think about. Like it's still surreal to this day. Like you were saying, like we grew up in like a small town, like suburbs of Kansas City. So like moving out to like LA and Vegas has been a wild change for us. And we did it just after like high school too. So at 18, we didn't know anybody. It just shows how many people are really interested in like spirits and like afterlife. I mean, I'm sure like every single person as a human is like always wondering what happens after I die. I don't know if you believe in ghosts or not, but like you've probably had that question of like, what does happen? You know, like, is it possible to communicate with like your loved ones and stuff? You know, I think it's one thing that we all have in common, right? I think it's one thing that it's like, it's that one question that none of us can answer. And then also I think like that a lot of people think that like ghost hunting kind of died a little bit because it was kind of this older thing that was more popular. Like, and then when a lot of technology really started popping off, I think people thought like, Oh, well, nobody's seeing ghosts anymore as much, you know, people thought you'd see a more on cell phones and stuff. But since nobody's seeing, I think people kind of, I remember like five or six years ago, being like, dude, where are all the fucking ghosts? Where'd they go? Yeah, you think of every single person had a camera, like they would have clear evidence of spirits. Mad ghosts, dude. You see Casper every day, I was hanging out with them. You see the stacks of ghosts, you'd see like just a bunch of boo orgy's and shit popping off. It's not like that, man. Yeah, we've had a couple of boo orgy's. Have you ever seen, oh, have we? I wasn't there for that one. I was like, really? Just doing that, excuse me. Hopefully not. Just so our listeners know, like, so you guys met in? We met in Kansas in high school. So like we were like 14 years old. We met in band camp in a typical story high school. And then we're also like, yo, like we don't want to end up like all the other kids in Kansas, you know, just doing the same old like go to college, get nine to five, whatever. That was fine. Like go do your thing. But we just really didn't think that was for us. So do you remember the first time that you saw each other? That was super romantic. Yeah. It was at a coffee shop in seventh grade. That does make it sound very romantic. Sorry. No, believe it or not, I actually do remember the first time. Really? I think you remember this too when I tell the story, but like it was in middle school. So we were like, yeah, actually like 12 or 13 or something like that. And each month there would be like these awards that the students could earn or whatever or get. Like for example, best dressed or like Sam, for example, won the best haircut of like the month or something like that. See that. Yeah. And so when he like walked over the stage, I was like, that guy, he does have really cool hair. That was the first time. No, the rest was history. He's got that Mormon front waterfall going on. I mean, he's got that beautiful. It's yeah, give me mittens out of that. That's what I'm saying. That's beautiful. But you remember that. Of course. He won the award. He won the award. And I was just like, I have to be friends with this guy. Maybe even start a Vine account. Yeah, Colby's the one like new Vine and YouTube and stuff. I was not into all that stuff. But then he was like, dude, there are people right now making Vine videos and stupid videos at their mall that are getting millions of views. And like no one's like in on this. And so we just decided to like go for it because we're like, I don't want to live forever just in Kansas doing the normal route. And let's try it. We didn't even know there was a career like money to be made out of it. But I just like looked up to a lot of people on social media that I was like, come on, we can like do this if we really try. And then he saw the vision once like things started picking up. Yeah, just to do content, just to do content. I was like, oh, I don't know, 100%. But like once I saw like, oh, like this could be our way to have a voice. This is our way to get out of Kansas. This is our way to travel, meet cool people, all these different things, build a business. It was like, oh, wait, let's go. Wow. So we were like kind of locked in on senior year of high school. And I remember parents were like, yo, if you get X amount of dollars, we'll allow you to take a gap year instead of go to college. And if you earn that many dollars in a year, it was like, I don't know, $15,000 or something. And like, because that would be enough for a couple months rent in LA. And it's like, okay, well, then we had our whiteboard and like, you know, we check off the amount of money we're making on senior year. Like, okay. Post every day, live stream every single day. Like we were on grind mode. And yeah, again, being from Kansas, like there was nothing to do really besides. Was there haters around the village? Like was there haters in the branches of the local trees? Like was it like that? For sure. Yeah. No, our own high school didn't like us. This was like also during the time when social media wasn't very popular, but yeah, we get called in to like principal office. We're like, what are you guys doing on Vine? Like this is not cool. We don't want you guys representing our school like this. And I was like, yeah. Also, we started like with public disturbance. So we go to our local mall, like jump off like tables and like ride couches up escalators. Just stupid stuff. Yeah. So you're following some fats at the mall. Yeah, we don't do that anymore. Dude, we live what we learned. All right. Hey man. My stepmother's fat. All right. Well, she doesn't know it. Well, now she does. And anyway, sorry, I'm just joking around. But at a certain point, you guys sort of pivoted to checking out abandoned places, right? Yeah. And then now it's become more haunted spots. What made you switch from just like, oh, shit. Just shit. Just being abandoned isn't enough, right? We need more. We used to be scared of spiders and no, we're scared of spiders and ghosts. What makes you be like, hey, bro, there's nobody in this dark room. Let's bring a man and summon him. Let's light up a Ouija board. Yeah. What makes you, what makes that kind of like, yeah, how do you get there? What makes you make that turn? Well, to be completely honest with you, we started doing the abandoned stuff in like 2017, 2018. And yeah, we were legally doing like pretty much all of our videos back in the day and we got arrested. So like in 2019, like... Oh, so you're over just showing up places. Yeah. We would just be like, okay, like there's this abandoned asylum. Let's try to figure a way in and figure a way out without getting caught. And it was really like fun. I mean, that's like exhilarating, but there's this came of a time that we actually got caught and we're like, oh, well, you know, we can't do this as much anymore. But luckily, like about a year prior to that, we had started going to some places that were had like haunted lore, right? And we're like, I don't really believe in this stuff. Like actually, like both of us were very, very skeptical of anything haunted, ghost related before we started. And we thought it would be great. Like let's do this abandoned stuff, but like, let's see if there's a ghost there. That's funny. And like, you know, it's probably not just a dark building, but it'll be great for content. But then things started happening. And it was like, wait, what actually was that? What was that voice? What was that slam? What was that door that just like, you know, crash in front of me and then have it over and over and over again and we're like, wait, this might actually be real. And then we went to this place called the Queen Mary in Long Beach on a fair. Oh yeah. It's an old, it's an old ship, right? Have you been before? Yeah, I think we did a, I think I did comedy on it. Oh, wow. That's awesome. Yeah. I mean, it's a, it's a huge hotel and it's awesome. I love some bad jokes on that. So one of those showed up. That was me. Oh yeah. If you heard people booing, that was, that wasn't a ghost. That was just partying his people. Yeah. Yeah. That's great. Yeah. We had like such a crazy experience. And you really did. You're really having these experiences. Like you're really, you, this is real. Yeah. 1000%. Well, the entire time, like we didn't really, like we didn't believe. So like we were like, let's, let's test it. Cause like, actually it would be kind of cool if there was something, you know, it would be really fun. And so like at this time we were skeptical, but we wanted something to happen. And then at the night of the Queen Mary, even at, we kind of gave up. We actually did this entire video and nothing really happened all night. And then at the very, very end of the night, turned off cameras and we're like, well, that was a horrible video, but let's just try it one more time for the rest of the night. It was like 4am and then slowly stuff started happening off camera. And this is like how real it is for me. It's like, if it was just for content, we just turn on the cameras and like try to like capture it, but instead we just like sat there and tried to have a conversation with a spirit. And that night completely changed my life. It made me religious. It made me like want to get to the whole spiritualist thing. And I, you know, we talked about this many times after being like, okay, screw this abandoned stuff. I want to know the answer. Like this is not just for content anymore. This is like, this is beautiful. If it's actually like out there, if there is something on the other side, I want to know. And so that dove us into this whole like career over the last five, seven years. Wow, man. As you're building that up there, as you're telling me that even when you were starting just kind of that parable there or starting that, like when you were starting to share there, it made me think of like faith. It's like, you know, you, you, you think there's nothing there, right? And, and something shows up, right? And like you're saying, like you were hoping something, but nothing had occurred, right? And it's kind of the same thing with faith, like even, you know, for people that are religious or have believe in some sort of higher power, it's you have to meet it halfway, right? So just the fact that you guys should have willing to meet whatever could be out there, you know? And then whatever's out there, sometimes the way it shows up could be positive, but maybe the way we interpret it too is like scary to us because it's coming from a place that we can't understand. Very, very true. And I mean, when we first started, I mean, my entire life, I've been Christian. So like, we first started with this like Queen Mary like experience. And for Sam, like he was saying, it was something where he didn't believe in anything. Fuck, I didn't know this. Yeah, but I've always been born and raised Christian. And so for me, it was more of just like a hopeful thing that's like securing my beliefs, I guess you could say. So it really just depends on the person, but anybody can take the paranormal like however they want, depending on what they believe in the personal life. But you're right. It's so much more of like putting yourself out there and meeting something halfway, whether that be in a religious sense or as we do in like the paranormal world, it's like so many people go out there and they're so closed off. Like they're skeptical. I'm sure tons of people watching this right now are super skeptical, but- Yeah, I was one of them a little while ago. Yeah, but if you go into a haunted house and you're super skeptical and you don't think something's gonna happen, same thing with faith, you're never gonna get it. But like when we turn off the cameras and we actually like, okay, I just want something to be there. I'm willing to really believe and put myself there. That's when things started happening. And that's what we always advise people to do when they go into these haunted places, put yourself out there, take a risk, you know? Yeah, it's so funny. It brings you back to like when I was a kid and like that's one thing that is amazing about kids. It's like, especially like ghosts and kids, like when they're, you know, even till like 15, different ages, but when you had that youthful energy, you're so like right there on the edge of the moment that something can meet, like something small can meet you right there really easily. It's pretty- So willing to believe. Yes. It's such an amazing time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's why like children have so many more experiences because they're less closed off. They're just like, I don't know, jaded to the world, you know? Oh, it's so true, dude. Now if a ghost showed up, it'd be literally just like, you know, all right, you know, can you come back later? I'd probably be like, I'm busy, all right? I got some shit to do, you know? Yeah, yeah. People could beg for like somebody to come from the afterlife that they love and then they hear a weird knock at the door in the middle of the night and instead they call the police instead of go open it up. Like, what are you talking about your grandfather? Come on, go have the conversation. But it is, it's just interesting like how perception and belief can meet together to frame what your experience can be. Right. Yeah, and that's kind of why we do it now. Like we definitely now believe we've had so many experiences over the last like seven years that have proved to us that we're not the only things out there. But especially me, I was at a place where I thought it was all blackness. After you die, it was nothing. It was so hopeless that when I found that spark of like weight, there could be something more. It was like my version of finding religion. It was my version of finding hope. And I was like, wait a second, if I can prove this to myself and now that I have over the last couple of years, what if I could prove this to somebody else? What if someone could watch one of our videos and walk away being like, wait, there is something more. Maybe so. And what if that changes their course of their life to maybe be a better person or maybe be just more hopeful, happy person. And so like, although we are like the spooky guys or ghostbusters or whatever, and we're trying to get something that's scary, that scariness is super hopeful. It's like very beautiful. But we're also very inviting to just skeptics that won't or don't want to like be open minded about anything. Like they can just watch our videos for entertainment. So really just like you said, it depends on the person and paranormal affects everybody in different ways depending on what you believe. What, yeah, this is interesting, man. I didn't even know if I expected this conversation to go like this, but this is great. I'm curious, like what do you believe? Well, I've gotten to speak with people that have like, we had a doctor on who is a cancer doctor and he had over the years, he started doing, he started interviewing people that had near-death experiences and just collecting a lot of their data, right? Like a lot of the data and finding a lot of the commonalities in it. And so once I spoke with him, I started thinking like, yeah, this was him right there, Dr. Jeffrey Long. And he wrote a book about it and it's an easy read, but you could just tell how much it changed his life and his perspective that he, at no fiscal reward, he started creating this database and just putting together all different people's accounts. And it was just fascinating to see how many people that had the same experiences, right? And so that gave me like, okay, if enough of it's uniform here and the experiences are the same, like that kind of shows a pattern, obviously. And it certainly starts to make you believe a little bit more, right? And it's really, it's like, he couldn't really get to what's on the other side, but you know, the other side, like if you go over to the other side, whatever the other realm is, but he was able to kind of like, through a great deal of interviews, examine some of the stair steps that people were on and what that experience was like. And so that I think gave me almost a little bit more of like a really a scientific idea of like, okay, there's something more than just us guessing this, right? So that kind of was there for me. I had like a DMT experience where it's like, you know, some people use plant medicine, I'm not encouraging that. I know you guys have some younger viewers, but that took you to a place where you feel like you were leaving. For sure. And that was pretty fascinating, like, okay, you felt like becoming this, you felt yourself kind of leave your body and become this spirit that the only thing you could feel was love. Like you couldn't feel anything else. All the earthly chains of like people you knew and all of that. And like, I always feel like if I die, I'm gonna worry about them or there, and there was a little bit of that, but even that broke away. The amount of like immense love that was present in your being as you were hypothetically leaving this body that we know was so immense and so great. And you knew immediately, oh, they'll be here again, they'll all be here someday. So no matter what they're feeling now, this moment trumps whatever that is. And so even though you couldn't remember anything that was going on in this like fiscal plane, you still somehow have the thought that like you were supposed to be there, is that what you're saying? Well, you still somehow had the thought that, like as it was happening, you start to, I felt like you literally start to feel like you're leaving your body and you start to, like my first thoughts are like, you're still attached to a lot of your like worldly thoughts. Like, oh, my mom's gonna miss me, I'm scared. I forgot to do this. I forgot to send that email. That was like one of my thoughts. Oh, man. Who gives me shit? Yeah. You're a curse of life. Yeah, you forgot to send an email. Oh, I should have let the dog out or whatever. Oh man, I left those shoes on the porch. Little things like that were like kind of going in my head. But then it was like this, you became overwhelmed with this feeling of like so much love and the only thing you're supposed to do while you were alive was love and everything else was just a ruse. And then you thought, oh, my mom will miss me. But then you thought, you're like, oh, but she'll come to this feeling one day too when she passes away. So she'll have the same realization that everything is as okay as it ever could be and ever was and it'll be that way for eternity. Dang, dude. So that may sound crazy. I've never even said that out loud and not even enough to make sense. No, no, that's a beautiful thing. But yeah, so I think, and I wanna believe. I think most people do. I feel like it's pretty sad if like you want there to be nothing, you know? Like everyone like deep down, whatever you believe in, you would rather a way that you like move on. Just as just human. That's what I think. Yeah, just having, and it makes it exciting. And we showed up here, dude. We showed up here. This is the craziest you could ever imagine. How lucky is it to even be alive? Yeah, just the grace to exist, to be a fish that like comes close to the edge of the bowl, like just for a second and gets to like peek out into like the universe and before we dip back in, you know? Yeah, exactly. So what happened in the Queen Mary that kind of, can you take me into any more like feelings or something that happened? Was there anything like specific or was it just an overwhelming feeling? Yeah, I mean, there was definitely the feeling there. We've told this story a couple of times, but the synopsis is when we turn off the cameras, we all sat around. It was like four in the morning. It was us and a couple of roommates so that we could all vouch for each other. And we just called out and we said, hey, if there's something here, can you give us a sign? And there would be like right off the bat, just a water faucet full on for like five seconds. And then we ran into the bathroom and it turns off. And then it's like, oh, okay, well, let's continue asking for signs. And so we get like things like. That's a ghost brushing its teeth probably. It's like, oh, there we go. Getting ready for bed is like too late at night at that point. But then like afterwards, it would be like little knocks or scratches or taps everywhere. And so we would test it because we were very skeptical at that time too. And it was like, okay, well then, can you give us like three knocks? And it was like, okay, let's say, can you tap over there on the window of the ship? So we know that it's not like an employee. Maybe tap on the window. And dude, we're like whispering these questions. So it's not like we're like, can somebody tap? And it's like out in the hallways, like the janitor. Or whatever it is. Can somebody like Rihanna, you know? Exactly. Now that it's raining, you can start hearing that. Dude, I would lose my mind. The best paranormal evidence ever. It's just like coming out of nothing. And it's just Rihanna. I'm Borela. I would love if the like the best paranormal evidence ever that convinces everybody is something that silly. That would be amazing. That would be crazy. It's the best thing ever. But it's wild because people will say, you know, even in religious places, they'll be like, call out to God for what you want, call out to your higher power. Ask your deity for, you know, ask the world. And it's like, it's the same as when they say the secret, it's like write out what you want and like meet it halfway, build a vision board. That's all the same thing. It's just trying to put something in existence, physically or verbally, to let the world meet, to let the spirit realm meet you halfway. Yeah, exactly. Which goes back to like, it doesn't matter what you believe in. Maybe you don't even believe in any God, but you're just a spiritual person and you're talking to the universe. But all it's about is having that like manifestation. And like, yeah, speaking, what's it called? The law of attraction. Like speaking into the universe, what comes back to you. Yeah, that's really cool. This show is sponsored by Liquid IV. You know, people use the term endless summer. Oh, it's endless, you can have more of it. It's not having to transition from summer shenanigans to the focus needed in the fall should be illegal. But not for us. 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And it's just rare that something like that gets to happen without joining the military. You know what I'm saying? So you guys are in pretty rare air. What is the process when you go to seek paranormal activity? What is kind of like, do you, is there special shoes you wear? Is there a special, is there no, is it no colonel out? Like what really are the, you know, and what do you take with you kind of? Well, we have like two backpacks full of equipment, which we can get into a little bit if you want. But yeah, we have a bunch of like probably like eight to 10 pieces of equipment that really react to EMF energy, which is electromagnetic energy that everything in the world alive or dead like will emit. So everything, yeah, in this life, life or the afterlife has this EMF energy. Is that bringing that up real quick just so we can put a little bit of information to it? This is some perplexity. That's what we're using here today. What is EMF energy? Electromagnetic fields, EMFs are invisible areas of energy often referred to as non-ionizing radiation associated with the movement of electrical current or voltage. They are produced by the flow of electricity through wires or devices and can be found in all environments, indoors and outdoors. Does everything have EMFs? Not everything emits EMFs, but almost every object emits some form of electromagnetic radiation as long as it's not an absolute zero temperature. Any device that uses, generates or conducts electricity will produce EMFs. Natural sources of EMF include the Earth's magnetic field, the sun and even biological processes within living organisms. Okay, so it's energy. It's basically like people would say energy. This is just more of a scientific way to quantify it? Right, yeah, yeah, yeah. And so like almost all of our piece of equipment basically measure changes in this energy. And so if you place it there and kind of calibrate it to the environment, if there's a change in that environment, then it will go off. Got it. So there's that type of thing. We also use like motion sensors. We also use like everyday objects. So like we'll get, you know, let's say like cat toys or like flashlights and things like that that are stereotypical just everyday objects that are not like meant for ghost hunting, just so we can show that like even regular objects can be used for this type of thing so that the afterlife can communicate. So literally we'll be like, you know, we'll set a flashlight down and it will turn on in front of our eyes. And it's like insane. But at the same time, like we would always recommend everybody start with how we started. It's like getting yourself there and like say, hey, like call out, get the knocks, get the voice. It was like, we've been, you know, grout. We've had voices in our ears. We've like been pushed. We've had door slam in front of our faces. It's not always the equipment. It's like all the environmental things. Wow. It all kind of works together. Yeah, no, going back to the Queen Mary a little bit, like we didn't have any equipment back in the day. And yeah, we were just sitting in like a dark room and just really trying to put ourselves in the mindset that everything was real that we were experiencing. Y'all were the equipment, huh? Exactly. Yeah. We became the kind of people. Y'all were the equipment. Y'all were the equipment. That was dope. It was dope. And yeah, no, just like as we've gotten like further in our careers and stuff, this is when we've like implemented new equipment that just helps us do the same thing that we did in 2018 at the Queen Mary. It helps visualize it because like, you know, you can say, oh, I felt something on my like shoulder, but how does like a viewer know that? Right. But if they could see a flashlight turn on or if they can see a motion sensor detect motion, they're like, oh, well, that's really cool. It's like visualize what we're experiencing. But a lot of times as well, now that we've done this for so long, like a big part of our show is we take people on these adventures so that they can be our like independent variable. You know, like this, somebody else who doesn't believe or maybe just like interested in it, but you know, it's not part of our channel or whatever, we'll come out and experience it for the first time. We've had so many friends come in pretty much complete atheists or skeptics and walk away like, whoa, now I believe in ghosts. Even like people that I'm like, there's no way, you know, maybe people older than us that are like, oh, my whole life I've been atheist. They walk away from one night being like, I've never seen anything like this. I've changing my perspective and it's beautiful. So people to bear witness is what's going on. Exactly. Yeah, because I just wonder were you guys just like, you know, loitering for the spirit ops to show up or what was going on? Like I just didn't know like, you know, what kind of was happening. Like why is this guy here? Like three of you, like just waiting in the dark. Dude, they probably are. Like if you're a spirit and you're just seeing us or like yelling around, they're like, yeah, dumbasses. Some of the shittiest spirits show up to talk to you guys and no offense, but it's like probably like the really smart like spirits are like, I'm not talking to these two. Also you gotta think like, like, why are they in like, that's this random building? They're just trying to fuck with us. You know, it's like the smart guys we go hang out in the spa or something. Not in this creepy building. We don't know who we're talking to. Yeah, you guys are talking to some real low level spirits. Yeah, definitely. Holy shit, I never thought about that. It's probably why we have so many scary experiences too. Exactly. It's like, who's the guy that's gonna hang out in the abandoned island? You know, like, oh, well, he's gotta be weird. So no worries. Well, he's weird from this realm and he's gotta be way weird from the other realm. Exactly, he wasn't even loud in the heavens though. Like, yeah, you can stay in that place over there, man. A couple of purgatory bad boys. That's wild dude. Yeah, but it does go back to like, yeah, you're just wanting something, right? And then I guess it makes sense because it's like anything you start to learn, then you want, you know, you start to get the accoutrements of it, right? Like if you are a doctor, you end up getting the stethoscope, right? And then you get a patient, right? Like you wanted people to bear witness to whatever's going on. Yeah, definitely. And that's like the coolest part of it is like seeing other people's like change of perspective and like how they like then afterwards like go about their lives. But yeah, for sure, dude. I think as far as the equipment, that was my question. It's like, yeah, are you guys just like metal detecting for bullshit or whatever out there, you know? Like, but when you incorporate the fact that you have to be willing, you have to want something, right? Right. That it can show up for you. I just find that is so inspiring, no matter what, because we're all looking for some sort of ghost, you know? We're all hoping that there's some spirit that comes up and tells us something, you know? Or that shares or something, we're all wanting something to come along and make us feel more complete, you know? And what doper place for it to come from then the afterlife or the next realm, dude. Exactly. Because it feels hella inspiring as well. For sure. And I think it's like worth mistreating to that. Like this stuff doesn't happen every single time we go to a haunted place. There are so many times that we'll have videos that turn into duds even if we've traveled across the world where we have to completely scrap it because nothing happens. And so it really just depends on the spot and the energy there. Yeah, and it's not like constant either. Most of our investigation is like 12 hours and we cut it down to an hour of the craziest stuff. For sure. And only half of that is even any evidence that we got. So it takes a long time for these things. It's not like we out of everybody because we're just walking over and see Casper, the friendly ghost tomorrow. Like it's like you have to go to the most haunted places the entire world and then also spend a very long time trying to like open yourself up for that. Yeah. Dude, I'm so thankful that you guys came in, man. This is awesome. I just appreciate it. It's just nice to have this kind of conversation, you know? It's nice to be reminded of the fact that we have a part kind of in, and this sounds kind of silly, but we have a part in what we believe, but we have a part in things that are supernatural. I think that's what it is that we, that because we alone are supernatural. 100%. It's like crazy that we're even here. It's fucking bizarre, dude. Especially if you look at the other animals and stuff, dude, they're all doing like normal animal shit. We're out here, people are vaping. People are lying to their parents. Dude, if you were in the woods and you saw a bear lie to his parents and then sneak a piece of salmon or something, you'd be like, what the? Then hit a vape real quick. Imagine you saw a bear get up every morning. All the other bears are out splashing in the water and there's one bear sitting on his computer every day. He's just like, whoa. He's like, what are you doing, dude? Yeah, he's coding. Yeah, it's insane, man. You guys have visited some of the most haunted places in the world that we know of right now. Are they different? Is there a common link between all of them? Like, are you able to, is there sort of a overall hypothesis that you can come up with through all that? Or is it all just one by one? Most of them, honestly, are their own separate entities or whatever, no pun intended, to where you'll go to one spot and learn a bunch of history about the place that's maybe 500 years old in the US. It's not gonna have any correlation to a 500-year-old place in France or something like that. So I think every single spot comes with its own story and its own spirits. There's also human spirits. There's more demonic things you could talk to as well. Earthly spirits. So there's a lot of different variables, I guess you could say, depending on where you go. Really, so some places have different types of spirits? That kind of depends on the history of what all happened there and how much trauma there is in the said place. Because again, all of this is based on the energy that's at the location. Is there one that stands out to you that kind of had a demonic energy? Because that's an interesting word. Yeah, I mean, okay, so one place that we went to for this October, we went to Pendle Hill. And so that's a place that's considered one of the most haunted or if not the most haunted place the most haunted place in the United Kingdom. Pendle Hill. Pendle Hill. P-E-N-D-E-L. D-L-E. Yeah, but that was the home of the most infamous witch trials ever happened. So like basically 11 witches were killed, 12 were put on trial for doing witchcraft. And at that time, a lot of witches turned to the devil because witches were outcasted by the church. And so when they would turn to the devil, they made this place more demonic and like it has this devil satanic pole to it. And so we actually brought out a witch that was doing witchcraft to summon the devil. That was her main practice and had her try to summon and channel the devil himself. And it was like literally like hundreds of years of witches on this exact hill have been practicing trying to speak with the devil. And we tried to recreate that as close as possible, which was one of, if not the most terrifying thing we've ever done. But like for example, that would make a place more demonic. If we have hundreds of years of people putting their effort and all of their power. Again, if we're talking about opening yourself up to a spiritual thing, if all you're doing is putting that faith and that energy towards something demonic, you're gonna attract the demonic. You're not gonna attract something that's like happy. Oh for sure, let me see this. Pendle Hill is most infamous for its ties to the Pendle Witch Trials of 1612 where several local women were tried and executed for witchcraft. The area is steeped in legend, including tales of supernatural occurrences. Does it have any more? Can you give me a little bit more information about the witches? Maybe you could say like, look up the story of Allison Device. This is how it all started. How you guys found it? Oh, this is how it all began. This is how it all began. I wish we found this. That would be so cool. The story of Alice, Alizon Device, Allison, is central to the infamous Pendle Witch Trials of 1612 in Lancashire, England. She was a young woman from a poor family who one spring morning encountered John Law, a peddler from Halifax, while walking to Trawd in Forest. Allison asked him for some pens, a common request at the time. As pens were believed to have uses in folk magic, Law refused, prompting Allison to utter a curse against him, upon which Law soon collapsed, suffering symptoms that were later recognized as a stroke. Called it. Though at the time, this was believed to be a result of witchcraft. Dang. And she was 12, by the way, when she did this. So a 12 year old girl just meets a salesman. She's like, can I have some pens? He's like, nah, she's like curse you and he died. And so they were like, this girl's a witch. And so her and her family were all like accused of witchcraft and then they all started blaming each other in the town. But the weird part is like they all admitted to it. They literally like said on court trial, hey, I did use witchcraft to attempt to speak to the devil and summon him. And so it's like, why? Oh, the family said that? Yeah. The family. So why did they do that? Because they thought they were so upset by what had happened to her that they're like, well, we're gonna call the devil here. Well, they were admitting that even previous times they had already, like they had already been in witchcraft and they've already got a part of it. Oh, so her family was a little bit familiar with witchcraft. Yeah. Oh, but also what's that dude doing just goonin' around some 12 year old? Yeah. You know what I'm sayin', dude? Serves him right. What are you loitering around some 12 year old for, dude? So true. Oh my God. Bro, they're catching mad gooners back then. They were. That's the kind of shit that happens, dude. Even a long time ago. And she was the one that got arrested, not him, by the way. Yeah, dude. It's like, what? It's like, God, obvious. Oh, that's crazy though. And imagine the energy of that at the time and like she's young and now like she's put in this space where it's like, how did they execute them? They hang out. By hanging. Yeah. 10 of them. So if you think about that, yeah, like 11 of them died, 10 of them by hanging and that was accounted for 2% of all the witches ever that have been executed all in this one trial because the whole family admitted to witchcraft. So it was a massive deal and it's one of the most famous witch trials in history. And it's really. Because part of the thing was to be freed from being accused of being a witch, I guess. You had to point the blame on somebody else. So the entire family basically turned on each other and the little girl was like, my grandma did it. She was like, what the fuck? And then she was on the trial and obviously. You're like, mom's a bitch. And they're like, but they didn't hear it, right? Yeah. I'm like, oh, I'm dead. Dude, that's crazy. That would be the craziest. It's almost like the sickest game show ever where it's going to be you or you have to point the finger at somebody else. Exactly. And sure mom. Crazy. Especially if there's nobody left. What if it's just you and your mom? Yeah, exactly. Do I kill her? Oh God. And then you both blame each other. So you're both dead. Then you're like, okay. Yeah, it's like that meme or the spider-man. Yeah. You're like just blaming each other. That's the witch trials, man. Yeah. Oh, that's crazy. Yeah, that would be a lot of energy being over there. One place that's like even worse than that, I think is my top scariest we've ever gone to. And will that be on Hell Week? Will that be on, is that episode coming on you guys? It's Hell Week. And how long is Hell Week? It's one week of just all episodes of you guys. So Hell Week is like the brand we started for the last like five years, but this year we switched it to Hell Month. And so basically once a week, we go to the most demonic places in the world and we're leading up to Halloween. So every Sunday until Halloween. Wow. It's pretty terrifying, but by far like the scariest for me of this entire Hell Month was going to the Paris Catacombs. Oh my God. I don't know if you ever heard of that. I've been there actually. You've been in the Catacombs? Yeah. The illegal part of the legal part. I'm not sure my buddy got a little, like a whatever that's one of these. Oh my God. A little torso or something. Okay. He got a boot like tarce off one of the staff there, like a little piece of bone. Oh really? Yeah. Oh geez. So he's obviously not going to be doing well. Oh. Take a bone from the Paris Catacombs and curse forever. Yeah, dude, I said, dude, just get some astronaut ice cream from the gift shop. What's your problem? He had to take a skull. But he wanted to be different. So he got a little piece of foot or something. So there's like two miles of this tourist style, like this tourist part of the Paris Catacombs where you can legally go into. And then there's 200 miles of illegal territory. That's a whole labyrinth that doesn't even have a map. And it's seven stories. So like you can go up and down like different floors. So yeah, you get lost very, very easily. And there's six million dead bodies that are buried down underneath. And it's pretty much a mirror of Paris. So if you think of how big Paris is, you're walking around there. There's an equivalent underneath Paris itself, which is insane to think about. People go down there, get lost and die all the time. And so basically we had to go down there and trust this random guide that we'd met that day and be like, hey, don't leave us. Because if you left us, we would die. We've actually known people that have gone down there and the guides will take them into a corner and be like, hey, go check out that cave, steal their bags and run. And leave them to die just to rob them everything. Because who would even notice that they died because of all the other bones? Exactly, just show them in the corner. And no one's coming to save you. It's like hundreds of miles of this and it's all legal. Bring that up. Can you give me some information on that? I didn't know it's like that. Dude, I remember, oh my God, I forgot about this. I was trying to like flirt with our tour guide down there. And she was looking at me like, I was the creepiest guy in the world. First date and a bunch of skeletons. And hindsight I was. You were like, hey, so. And some dude in our group kept making these boner jokes and shit, it was so dumb. Oh God. It was ridiculous. He made like 40 boner like, dude, that's a, yeah, just chill out. He just wouldn't stop. But yeah, I remember trying to flirt with this girl down there and she must have been like, this guy's a creep. Placing the time. Yeah, yeah, but hey, shooters shoot, right? Exactly. No matter what the circumstance. That's it, bro. What's a rib cage amongst friends? The Paris catacombs refers to a vast underground network beneath Paris, consisting of approximately 200 miles of tunnels and passageways. While these tunnels originally functioned as limestone quarries dating back to the 13th century, they were repurposed in the late 1700s as an osuary, a final resting place, eventually holding the bones of more than 6 million Parisians. That's unbelievable, man. And there's really crazy structures down there. So like they'll have like ritual rooms. They'll be like, like literal thrones made of human bones down there. There's like all these things they call the bone rooms that are stacked super high of like towers of different bones. It's like the most insane thing you've ever seen. Like trying to conceptualize seeing like a dead human, now see 6 million of them. And they're all stacked in weird formations and there's like baptismal rooms and things like that. That's the bone throne. What? Yeah. That's a shitter? I mean. Well, hopefully not. It'd be crazy if it was, right? Bro, you know someone's tried for sure. Definitely, dude. I've never had stayed right out the back, but I think I'd have it on that show. Oh, God. What was the cause of all the deaths? So a lot of it was just people that were dead above in the cemeteries. Mainly from the plague. Yeah, from the plague and also Paris was just like very popular city, obviously. And so like over time as it got like more and more people, they didn't have enough room for the dead. And so they would just bring a lot of like people, like dead bodies down to just dump them in the tunnels. Oh yeah. There's nothing tackier than a dead dude. When you're trying to have like a, yeah, especially like on the Champs-Élysées or something like that. Nothing's more tacky looking than some dead ass dude. Why you're trying to have like beautiful outfits and shit. Well, you just throw them down like, leave them in the tunnel. Get them out of this beautiful city, all right? Let's stick them underneath. Yeah, it's like just putting something under the rug really. For real? Yeah, Paris's rug. It's crazy. And there was not only just like paranormal danger there that we like encountered, but also like extreme claustrophobia where we were like cave diving on like our hands and knees essentially, like wading through waters that were freezing cold up to like our nipples and stuff like walking around. I'm actually getting frozen nips in two miles in the catacombs. Yeah, literally. And then we're talking to ghosts. And then I think the scariest of it all actually is the fact that there are known gangs that like roam around in the Paris catacombs that actively try to steal from tourists. Cause they know it's so popular for people to try to go out there and film and like take things down there. And so if you get close, which we actually, again, like we know a couple of buddies that have had this happen to them, they'll be, they'll come and just jump you. Take all your stuff and walk around. Like there's people that know the catacombs like the back of their hands. And so when they encounter a tourist, oh, I got you. I'll just take all your equipment and make you run. Which is terrifying. And what are you gonna do? Grab a femur and beat somebody? Like it would be almost scary. It would be a weird spot to even defeat. It would all feel so surreal if somebody's rocking you there. Oh, and if they turn off your light, you're done. Like you can't see this far ahead. Oh yeah, we went to some other catacombs. That was really awkward. This is in Ukraine, so not Paris. But yeah, basically like that. All around the Paris catacombs. And so that was part of one of the demonic places you guys checked out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Got it. So it was one of the four episodes of Hell month, but it was like really surreal because that was the closest we'd ever really been to like dead bodies. And not to mention we got lost down there. So like if we had our guide that we had just met, Shadow Gaspar. Gaspar? Gaspar. What an incredible name. We were like, there's no way this guy's gonna leave us. His name's Gaspar. We have to find our way out of here. But yeah, we were like super, super late. Like we were only supposed to be down there for like seven, eight hours or something like that. And we were like in our last investigation realized like the time was up. And then it took us like another hour to maybe you had to find like the exit because we would go to like where Gaspar thought there was gonna be like an exit to like a manhole. And the police would actively like seal it up with cement. It was scary. Yeah, so it was three different, three different exits that we thought were exits and they're all closed off. And so we were like, oh my God, not only are we now like two hours late, all the people that we told to like worry about us are now worried about us, but we actually don't know where to get out. So we had to go all the way back to our original entrance. And it took so long and everyone was like calling us. We like came out and there's no service down there to a bunch of text, we're like, are you dead? Of course there's no service. Yeah, zero. It's so terrifying. Gaspar. Gaspar. But he led us to safety. Let's go. It was good. The name Gaspar is a French and Parisian origin. It means bringer of treasure or treasurer. Oh, he brought some treasure. We treasured him a lot. Oh, Gaspar. That is a good name. Yeah, that was actually one of the more crazy investigations. So we use this thing called, honestly, we actually just use a voice recorder. So it's like a stereotypical voice recorder, but there was one rendition of this Japanese voice recorder. That they actually recalled back in the 70s because they kept getting other voices and when they like play back the voice recording, like they'd talk a sentence, but then they'd get a couple other voices and sentences in it. And they're like, oh, this must be weird. But then like later on people were like, wait, no, these are legit other people talking in a room that nobody else is in. So now we use this as like basically ghost equipment and we can record on this voice recorder and ask a question and play it back. And there's actual conversations coming back to us that are not in the room. And it's thought that these voice recorder can pick up frequencies that the human ear can't hear. And so it's a literal way to have a conversation. And so we will ask someone, like we'll ask a spirit, like, hey, like what are you doing here? Something like that. Or like in this specific sense, we asked, are you dead or alive? Just to see if it would fuck with us. And it literally said, I'm alive. Very clear. Like super clear. It was one of the craziest things I've ever heard. And again, that's why we bring guests that have never experienced this before so that they can like see this for the first time. And so like everybody was mind blown. Like imagine you're sitting there underground next to thousands of skeletons. And you ask to a voice recorder, are you dead or alive? You wait, you play it back. There was a new voice that wasn't there saying, I'm alive. And you're like, what? Crazy. That's a bar, dude. It's a bar. Fuck, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a skeletal drake. We ran the fuck out of there. We're like, all right, well, this is actually terrifying. That's heavy, dude. It was crazy. Has there been an experience that hit you more emotionally than other experiences? Dude, yeah, not to go back to the same video we were just talking about, but also during hell month this month, we did the Pendle Hill. And Sam had mentioned that we were really trying to push the bar and talk to the actual devil himself. And earlier I had mentioned like I'm Christian. And so that was something that I was just like, no, like I always feel like I'm overstepping the line, like being involved in the paranormal as a Christian as it is being involved in like occult magic and stuff like that. Yeah, yeah, I feel that. It's, which is hard. It's like a mental battle for me, but at the same time, like when our team first decided or came up with the idea of like, maybe we can like invite a witch to some of the devil. I was like, guys, like this is where I have to draw the line for like my, which sounds like, like duh. Sam, he's a good one. Yeah, and he did. He did. But it's also interesting if you, sometimes if you want to talk to, you know, sometimes you got to talk to this person to talk to that person, you know? Exactly. But, but was that it? But sorry, I stepped on you. What were you saying? Oh, it's all good. It was just like, and we show it in the video as well, but like I basically pull Sam to the side right before he's about to do this ritual, I guess you could say. And I had like a deep conversation with him where I was like nearly in tears talking to him about like, dude, like we're making like YouTube videos. Like this is beyond that. Like you are like meddling into some stuff that like I know you don't personally believe in, but this has like everything to do like with my faith. And I deeply believe in this. Yeah, Sam's gone too far. Yeah, for real. And I was just like, be careful. That fucked me guys. Yeah, we're like, yeah fuck Sam. Actually comment down below. Yes. But it was going too far. So why are you doing that, man? I'm sorry, I was hashing it out here, man. No, it was interesting, like jokes aside, it's been- And where was that at, sorry? Pendle Hill. That was in Pendle Hill. In UK. I could see that, man. I could see that because you, you know, it's almost just like, like if you say enough bad stuff, it's like, you know, it's like, you become what you do. You know, it's like, it's, I could see that when you, there's a reason why people probably don't do it that much. Exactly, exactly. Especially religious people like me. But like, again, I am more so just like spreading hope to people and that's kind of how like I mentally cope with what I do for a living. But like, again, when it has to like delve into like hellish things, like literally talking to Satan, the devil himself, I was like, you know what? I'm good on that one. I'll just film like in the corner. Yeah, maybe talk to Satan's secretary or whatever. But I need the big dog in here. Exactly. But do you ever see any ghosts? Like that are like hot chicks or like, or is it ever any ghosts that are like you're can offer whatever, like there's some prostitutes out there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I feel like ghosts are always just kind of fucking doing like trap shit. I don't feel like any of them are like, are any of them ever being sexy? I wonder, or what are ghosts doing the most? I wonder. Probably goon in behind the scenes. Nobody can see them, you know? Yeah, if you're invisible, what are you doing? If I were invisible, dude, I'd be fricking spraying, bro. For sure, dude. I've already got a problem and I'm fully visible. So, but for sure, dude. No one's safe, dude. Yeah, nobody's safe, dude. Once I'm a ghost, bro, just wow, bro. No, but you gotta think, yeah, like what are they doing? Because they, once I'm a ghost, everything's all grotting on me. You feel me? Exactly. I'm spraying cheese, dog. Type shit, boys. After all. Everybody will know, too, in the afterlife, they're like, what was that? Ah, Theo, stop. It comes in like Hansar videos later and we're like, ah, that's Theo. I got something in my eye. Damn it, Theo. 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The only widely cited case in which a death was officially attributed to paranormal causes is the Bell Witch haunting in Adams, Tennessee. Specifically the 1820 death of John Bell Sr. John Bell, dude. And I think he's also the lead singer for widespread panic as well. Love him. He's had many lives. Yeah, he's had many lives, dude. According to numerous sources, John Bell's death was attributed by his family and several contemporaries to the Bell Witch, a supernatural entity that tormented the Bell family beginning in 1817. And the case is notable because Tennessee is reported to have recognized John Bell's death as caused by this supernatural, making it unique in American legal and folklore history. Yeah, I think this is the only cited death that is recognized as paranormal. Wow. Most people think like, hey, no one's died because it's paranormal and no one gets hurt. But there's a lot of people that get hurt and there is this one death that people have said. And I think this is the case as well that a president at the time went to this location too. John Bell's phenomenon grew so, and this is on Perplexity, the phenomenon grew so intense that John Bell developed a mysterious illness. And after finding a strange vial of black liquid next to his bed, oh, that would trip me out. If I even find a girl's gum next to my bed, I can't even sleep good. His son tested it on a cat, which died suddenly. The Bell Witch allegedly claimed credit for poisoning John Bell, who died on December 20th, 1820. Why would the kid give it to the cat? Like, oh, he's some black tar liquid, like, kitty, kitty, kitty, kitty, come here. He's like, ah. That's the most kid's shit ever. He's like, ah, fuck this cat. See if he dies too. He's like, I miss my dad, but fuck this cat. Fuck that cat. The US president was most famously associated with a visit to the Bell Witch Cave, was Andrew Jackson, as a general and later as president, Jackson reportedly visited the Bell Family property in Adams, Tennessee during the height of the Bell Witch disturbances. According to legend and multiple historical accounts, Jackson and his entourage experienced unexplained phenomena and chose to leave early with Jackson famously quoted as saying he would rather face the entire British army and spend another night with the Bell Witch. Damn. Isn't that crazy? Andrew Jackson. To think. Bro, Ajax couldn't handle that broad. And he's credible too. It's not just some random homeless guy they brought over to assess the situation. They brought the president who was like, dude, I'm not doing that over here. It's crazy. This guy wasn't taking DMT. Yeah, this is a credit card of sword. He's like, I can't do shit here, guys. Right. Dude, that's wild though. Right? It makes me think about how over the years, like Schizophrenia and these different things, we've given a lot of things a scientific term now, also to make them marketable to medicine. But you don't think about how many of those things could just be also spiritual in nature. You know, I'm not saying that Schizophrenia is spiritual in nature, even though I'm sure the spirit is heavily affected, but you just don't know. You don't know what something could have happened in a past life that's now come through and is affecting a spirit in this life or affecting someone in this life. And it's just looked at these days as a semi-common disease that we have, but it's something that's far greater than that or used to be deemed that way, you know? So true, yeah. It's pretty wild. Depends on what you believe, exactly. Yeah. It did seem more fun back then to believe in stuff too. I think because more people were believing things, now a lot of our beliefs just like are looking at our phone and before our beliefs used to like go into the air, you know? It is really sad. I feel like, yeah, we're like facing a really secular time of like everyone's just like, ah, like if I don't see it on chat to PT, then I'm not gonna believe a type of thing. But no one's like you said, like believing and like putting themselves out there to actually experience these things. Cause at the end of the day, it's so much harder to believe anything online, like anything over a video. Yeah, I wouldn't believe a ghost video from 10 years ago before I started this. And then I only started believing because I physically experienced it myself in person. So I fully like, you know, empathize with all the people that are online watching our videos, being like, that's cool and all that you guys do this, but I can't believe it until I see it, you know? So I would encourage a lot of people who are like into this type of thing to actually, you know, go and experience these things or put yourself out there and try, just like with faith. It's like, if you just try to take someone's word for it, you know, whatever, but if you were to go to church and actually read these things and like go for it and really put yourself in there, then you might find God. Oh, I noticed the more I pray, the more when I walk into certain rooms or whatever, I can feel like my knees almost tingle a bit. Like I want to hit them, right? Like I want to hit, you know, I want to hit my knees right there and pray, right? And become sort of a practice. Like, yeah, for sure, whatever you practice and lean into becomes more of you, you know? And we probably used to be more connected to the spirit realm overall. You know, I'm sure like Native Americans, especially we're so connected to it and like really lived by it and had a real, like, I bet they had like a real like, like gigahertz connection with like a, you know what I'm saying? For sure. Also, you had time to think. Now it's like the second that you go and take a shit, you're just like swiping TikTok or something. It's like not like you have a single moment away from distraction and entertainment. You don't have any second to wonder. I know, yeah. But you need to. I know, it's crazy not to have a second to wonder when we're part of something that's so wondrous. It's like, it's almost baffling, dude. We'll get to the end of our lives. And one of our last thoughts will be like, I was looking at my phone the whole time, you know? Oh, that's a sad thought right there. So true. I was just looking at my phone the whole time. Damn. Look up from the screen. I won't even believe I'm dead until I check my phone. Did I send that email? Oh! I guess you're dying. It's so hard to get. Let me tap right back in here just to finish this. The US government has not officially acknowledged the existence of ghosts as real supernatural entities, but there have been legal and cultural instances where haunted properties or ghost stories were referenced because of their impact on property value or cultural significance. Yeah, there's actually a lot of movies and stuff, obviously, that are based on real life hauntings and things like that. Like, things happen so crazily over decades, or like families get traumatized to the point that they become movies. And what's awesome is you see, especially the recent ones that are happening in the last couple of decades, there's so much documentation of them that it's really crazy to back things up and see these stories. And people sometimes have video evidence or audio evidence of people getting possessed and things like that. And so it's really, really cool when we get to go to places like that. Like, for example, I don't know if you just recently saw the Conjuring video or a Conjuring movie. Yeah, The Smurl House or The Smurl House. The Smurl House? Sorry, yeah. Yeah, so The Smurl House Conjuring movie just came out. It's called Last Rites, and that was based on The Smurl House. But that was one of the cases that the most famous demonologist ever, Ed Lorraine Warren, investigated. And there was a demonic entity that was literally like petrifying this family for 13 years. They described this demonic entity as like an eight foot tall lizard man with like red eyes and scaly like scales, I guess you could say. That would physically assault. Scales, scales, dude. Physically assault Jack and Janet Smurl who were the parents and like lift them up from their beds and chuck them against the wall. Holy shit dude. And they don't have an HOA or anything? Exactly, right? Kick this guy out. That's crazy, call the plumber. But I believe something like this could happen. The Smurl House haunting refers to a series of wildly publicized claims of paranormal activity. Will you guys tell us about it? I don't need to read this. What else do you guys know about it? Oh, it says here the family's German Shepherd was reportedly levitated and slammed into a wall. Yeah, even the dog was attacked. But every single member of the family was attacked and we're talking like they would be picked up and thrown against the wall. Like to the point of like the wife broke bones because of the spirit. Like the little girl in the family was thrown down the staircase. A ceiling fan flew off the ceiling and smacked one of the little girls and it was killed her as well. There was sexual assaults. It was like the ghost word like physically and sexually assaulting the whole family. It was crazy. That's gotta be the worst because what if your parents come home? It looks like you're gonna offer whatever. Or you're sitting there just, you know. Experiencing something. Yeah, experiencing something with yourself that you caused, yirking off. But you're not even doing it. It's not, it's literally like this is a demon. And my mom would still got pissed at me. My mom would have blamed it on me. It's a demon. I'm not even looking at it. But dude, that's how it'd be so, how did they come and go in their home? Did you guys go there? Well, like the Smurl House, we were the first people since the demonologist, Ed and Lorraine Warren, like we're the first people to investigate it since then 40 years ago. So it was really, really like a cool experience to be able to go in there and like understand like what was the haunting? Like what actually happened there? And there's two conjuring houses. There's one that's really famous in Rhode Island, which is the videos that are being played right now. And then there's this one that we haven't released yet. It's coming out for our finale of hell month. And yeah, nobody has been there besides Ed and Lorraine Warren, like 40 years ago, 50 years ago, yeah. And did it feel different? Did it come at a different time? Did it start differently? Like how do you ease into like a new place that has a haunting, right? That has an energy like that? Like do you approach it differently on the way there? Like do you bring certain things with you to set up an atmosphere? Like do you bring an alter? Like is there some sort of like precursor to your approach? Definitely, I mean, especially something like that that hasn't been investigated for so long. And actually at the time, 40 years ago, it was believed that Lorraine Warren like brought in a priest and they did like an exorcism and got rid of the demons. So like theoretically this place hasn't really been haunted for the last 40 years. It's just been a regular family home. So when you go back into there, it's mainly like the shell of the home of said spirit. And so in order to like make sure we were able to like contact the same person, we brought in a witch or a priestess. She actually like has helped us with a lot of these types of things and teaching us about the occult. And she brought in a spirit board, which is pretty much like a good Ouija board. It's not like one of those Hasbro ones you buy at Target. It's like a real deal. Like- I want a woodpecker would like. Definitely. Like homemade, all that stuff. She actually helped us with a full on like summoning ritual and that like brought in the spirits around and we were able to talk to this thing like on a Ouija board. And what's absolutely crazy about that is like, I never really believed in Ouija boards. I just thought, you know, it was a fun gimmick. Like, you know, especially the ones at Target, you know, I guess whatever. But when you do it correctly, like with a witch, it is the most insane experience you've ever had. You put your fingers on this planchette. And I don't know if you ever seen Ouija board, but there's a bunch of like letters and numbers all over this board. And it said that, you know, you move this planchette around and it spells things out. But the feeling is so unlike anything you've ever felt before, where the wood gets pulled out from underneath your fingertips is literally, you can feel a different presence pulling you in directions. Like a magnet almost. Yeah. A sort of magnetism. A magnetism. We never believed in the Ouija board until doing it like correctly with professional Pythian priestess. And like, I remember the first time we did it with her, like off camera, we were like, did you do that? And he was like, no, like you definitely did that. And we were like, hell no, because like our fingers were going like this crazy. And it wasn't like this like a little slow thing. It was like sometimes like yanking to a yes or no or all around the board. Like what is happening? Like I don't, I can't believe this. It's out of this world. Well, especially if it's like priestess, what's your number or whatever that you might know. That's definitely. That's funny. That's funny. Like, like to that point though, like we'd ask questions, especially the first time we did it, we'd be like the first time we ever did it, that's the first conjuring house. We asked the spirit like, yo, do you like us? I was like, no. It was like, what do you want from us? And it was like, go away. It was like, believe me, give me my peace pretty much. And I was like, damn, okay, they don't fuck with us. Which happens, which happens. Cause honestly like spirits are just like people, like in real life. Like, yeah. I mean, if there's like a bad person you meet in real life, there's probably going to be a bad person in the afterlife. That doesn't mean they're like a demonic thing, but like, yeah, you'll run into like bad Apple sort of people all the time that just don't want to talk to you or anything, which is understandable. Yeah, that's wild. You kids, yeah, it could just be somebody who's just chilling, somebody who's having a lunch or whatever, and you guys are bothering them or something. Exactly. It could be anything you don't want, dude. Some of them do it, weachy boring, they're like, fuck off. Like, I can't leave. It's like you're like calling out, like, you know, cold calling somebody and like, God, just shut up. I don't want to talk right now. Or they're like, I'm gay or whatever. You're like, what? It doesn't matter. What? You're welcome here either way. Exactly. You're safe with us guys. Yeah, dude, like a long time ago, people cared about that, but that's totally normal now, dude. This is an emotional experience. He's like, really? Some ghost has been waiting forever to come out of the closet and he finally gets it through a Ouija board. You're like, dude, nobody cares. It's like you, dude. Everybody, John is gay. He's like, all right, thank you. 70% of people are gay, dude. Chill, bro. Chill. But dude, what was crazy about this like recent experience with the spirit board at the small house? And this was at the small house, and this was where the Conjuring was? The Conjuring Last Rites movie. Okay, got it. Where they filmed it at? No. Where it allegedly happened at. Yeah, based on the true story. Based on the true story of that. They filmed out a replica of this place. Got it. And it's this tiny duplex. Had this been messed with before? Did it look the same as when back then? I mean, your family had lived there. Yeah, like if you look at the old tapes from Ed and Lorraine Warren, the demonologists that helped try to save this house, you'll see like exactly the same layout and everything. Like it looks like it did 40 years ago. It is really. So some of these places, it's like going back in time too. Definitely. Yeah, time capsules. Yeah, we were doing the spirit board session in the living room of this duplex. And again, like imagine just like a regular house. Like there was literally cheese. It's like on like the counter and stuff like that. Like, yeah, somebody lived there. And we uncovered the craziest evidence about the Smurl family that could actually get us in trouble. No joke. And so like when this comes out, like on Halloween, dude, it's going to cause like an uproar and like the paranormal community of things. Be crazy. That's what I'm talking about. Yes, sir. Dude, I'm wondering if there's like an apparent like a bus stop that had like a crazy act. Like a lot of people, I'm just trying to think of neat places that aren't like kind of like that aren't like a building or something where you could investigate also. Have there been places like that? Yeah, I mean, where there's not like an edifice like an entity like a building like a. Yeah, I mean, like to that point, you would think that everywhere could be potentially haunted, right? Like it doesn't have to be a location. It's just maybe places that are a location have more energy or they were a home in a past life. And so it's like more likely, like you said, maybe a bus stop or maybe, you know, like a favorite area to play is like on a playground or something like that as a kid. You don't know. Maybe something has a deeper meaning or connection to a human and that could be haunted. Yeah, there's a lot of times like we'll go to a spot and it's not like haunted by something like evil or scary, but sometimes there was, you know, like a big like, like, for example, we own a spot called for our elementary in Iowa. And it used to be four hour elementary for our for our elementary. It's a school. It's a real school. Real school. Y'all, you guys own it. We own it. Uh-huh. For principles. We're principles. Oh, yeah. I'm just experiencing this. I'm just doing this there. And is it functional? It's functional for like ghost hunting tours. Oh, OK. It goes down like decades. Yeah, it's not like we're a teacher. Yeah, there it is. Yeah, we own the school. But it used to be a hub like what, like a hundred years ago where like a lot of people would just go there and party. So all the spirits there or a lot of the spirits there just like hang around because it was a cool spot in life. It was the like center of the town. So not only was it an elementary school at the time, but it was also where people like got married. It's also where people had dances. They had basketball games. They had everything at this like one area. And so a lot of the spirits there are like really nice. So it's cool. And even like outside of this area, like even in the woods, so the playground, this also can be a haunted locations. Crazy. It's interesting to think about how I show up to places and then what I went out of them, whether that place is an actual building, you know, or if it's to show up to spirits, whatever you want, you know, it's just about like how I show up and what do I want? Right. You know, that could be if I'm going to get an education if I'm going to summon an entity, it could be anything, you know, if I'm going to have a relationship with somebody, you know, dude, I fricking texted this girl today, dude. I'm afraid to look at my phone because I don't know. I'm not really back, dude. Yeah. Is that it? What was the opening line? Can you spell? Yeah, I like I got I I mattered the other night and I felt like we like had some chemistry, right? Like I felt like there was something there, right? Cool. You know, when you feel like there's something there, you know, you know, when you meet someone, you feel like there's something there, right? Because you meet a lot of people who's nothing there. Sometimes you pretend there's something there. Sometimes you have two drinks and pretend there's something there. It's like the two drinks can create something there. Those are those are not real. That's just you making your own EMFs. But, uh, but I felt like there was something there. So I got her number and then I sent her a text today. I said, uh, hey, my buddy was thinking about asking you out. Also, my buddy is me. Hey, that's. Well, she's gonna fucking say no. Fuck. Where's your confidence level on here? One to 10. Like you think you feel good about this? No. It'll be all right. It'll be all right. It'll be all right. I don't know. But I was screaming afterwards. Like there was an entity in me of like that always got rid of that is just constantly rejected. That energy was fucking summoning like the most rejection in the world. But anyway, you got to summon that positivity. Yeah, you're right. I got to change that up a little bit. What are some of the most haunted places in America? Have you? Is there even a map that shows that? I'm sure you guys know this. Oh, yeah, there's a bunch there. Like really cool. So, um, what's the most haunted state? Do you know it? Probably on the East Coast somewhere. Yeah. East Coast is like, you got to think it's way older, you know, so like way more history has happened in there. But yeah, there's a couple that are like really, really cool. So obviously the Conjuring House that we talked about is a massive place in Rhode Island. There's a couple of really, really cool spots like the Winchester Mystery House. I don't know if you ever heard of that. There is a house in San Jose, California that has like 130 rooms or something like that. It's insane. It was built for like almost a century purely to try to like, you know, like, have you ever heard of a Winchester Rifles? Yeah. So it was that family like owned this estate. Yeah. And it's believed that actually this has become like some sort of hub for spirits. Like there's so many rooms and it's so like known to be haunted that that people bring spirits, they like drop their spirits off here. It's almost like a grand central station for spirits now. And yeah, this is definitely one of the most haunted places. Like the Hogwarts train station. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So cool. You guys went there? Yeah. A couple times. It's really crazy. And I mean, even if you don't believe in ghosts, it's one of the coolest things in the United States. It's pretty magnificent, huh? Yeah. And where is that located? San Jose, California. Interesting. And it's great because like all none of the architecture makes sense. It's like there will be three steps up to a floor and then seven steps down to another floor or like staircases that lead to nowhere or like a door that if you open on the second floor will just drop you down and you'll fall off. Like there's no patio or anything. It's like the most bizarre thing you've ever seen. And it's pretty, it's pretty spectacular. There's things like that or like on the other side of the United States, there's this thing called the Transalagany Lunatic Asylum. And it's like the second biggest asylum like ever made or something. And there's like hundreds of rooms about people that used to get lobotomies. And so it's a pretty tortured, tortured spot. It's one of the creepiest places we've ever been. Wow, that place looks magnificent. It almost looks like a university of Syracuse. It's as big as a university. And this that building right there is only one of like 20 on the property. It's a historic former psychiatric hospital located in Weston, West Virginia, best known for its haunting atmosphere, architectural significance, and role in the history of mental health care in the U.S. The asylum originally followed the Kirkbride plan, a psychiatric hospital design emphasizing space, light and therapeutic architecture. Many patients were admitted for reasons now considered unscientific, such as asthma, laziness and domestic troubles. If you could be your wife, like you could go to the society. Even if you tickle her heart, if she's sensitive, that people get admitted, like husbands would drop their wives over there. If they were like reading a bad book or something, it was bad. Like pretty much you could just leave your wife to die type of thing. But yeah, in that specific location in the asylum was one of our crazy experiences ever. We were just asking out to see if anything could, you know, do a knock or give us a sign or whatever. And between Colby and I, we heard like a pretty scary old man voice say the word Lily, like in our ears and was like, what? And apparently, like, yeah, we asked around and Lily is a spirit that is known to be like a child figure that's actually more of like this darker entity. But like we heard it with our ears and there was like three other people that were around that also like vouched for us. Then we're like, wait, no, there was another voice that was not in between you two that talked. And the camera caught it. So it's on camera, but the recorder that we were using, asking questions, didn't. So it makes no sense that like the voice could only show up on one thing. Unless the gate, the Hertz of it or something was a certain. Is it called Hertz? What is it called? Frequency. Yeah. Unless the frequency of the audio frequency of it was a certain pitch or pentameter or something. I believe there's so many different like frequencies that we just do not have the ability to calculate. Yeah, hearing or like you just look at this color scale of what I can see. And it's just nothing. It's like, I don't know, like 10 percent of the actual, I don't know, whatever you look at. Yeah, we only have five senses, dude. Yeah. And they're great. I'm not saying anything, God, they're good. But I'm also saying, dude, what if we had like 40 senses and we're pulling in all that information? Who knows? Maybe we will one day when we die. What? What's one last thing we could go in that would be good for you guys? You guys think that's interesting? Oh, maybe what would make you stay around to be a ghost? That's so funny. Honestly, if Sam still had the YouTube channel and I passed away, I would just like make that shit viral as hell. I could be following him to every like every haunted place and just shove him down the stairs. He's just like torn at me, but I'm like, hell, yeah, this is the craziest video ever. Like, Kofi, are you here and you just fall down a flight of stairs? Slap me in the face. Oh, he's here, guys. Bro, I want to levitate. So if you can do that, I'm great. Dude, thank you. Thank you guys so much, man. This has been awesome, dude. Yeah, appreciate it. Yeah, this is awesome. It's been cool. It's been good to get to meet you guys and just like, you know, if we can just stay in touch or something, you know, this has been fun. And I needed something that was just a good conversation, you know, so thank you. Yeah, I love how open you are about this. I mean, a lot of people like, ah, the ghost or whatever, that's not real. But I feel like you get the mindset that we're going to with it. Whether or not you believe in it or not, like I like the mindset. Yeah, I think well, I think it surprised me, you know, because David Tell is one of my favorite jokes, he's like, um, I was watching and I'm paraphrasing it, but he's like, I was watching, uh, ghost hunters the other day. It involves two of my favorite things, wandering around aimlessly and sheer disappointment. It's so funny. And I've always loved that joke. It's so good, right? That's hilarious. But I never had thought of it in the sense of like, I want something to be here, right? I want something to be here. And I've been thinking about stuff like that in my life recently, just like meeting God halfway, meeting the spirits halfway that are out there. Like how can I show up to receive the best things that are out there waiting for me? You know, um, and that would also kind of translate to real life too. Like whether spiritual or like, like you said, like show up to your next like friend gathering or your family or like your relationship, like putting in that effort to get what you want out of it. Yeah, right. Like sometimes I want my holidays to be great and I'll just think that somebody else is going to make them great. Like I go there, I go in the living room, I yell about a casserole or something. You know what I'm saying? It shows up that I talk shit and I take a nap. Then I eat a nap and then I leave and I'm like, God, I wish our family had connected better. Like fuck that casserole, by the way. But it's like, that's what I brought to it, you know, right? I'm still expecting this other thing. So I think, um, just having a whole nother way to look at that. And then to ask like, if I wanted to, like my father's past where everybody has family members that have passed away. But to say, Hey, dad, I'm thinking about you today. Share with me what you're thinking, you know, think with me, feel with me. I want to feel your feelings today. Or I want to know you love me today. Like not be afraid to speak out. Like we have this voice in this thing. Like when we open our hands up to the world, to the sky, to the universe, you feel something, right? That's not mythological. And so I think that that's, uh, this is just a great reminder. Um, uh, before you guys go, is there a goat of ghost hunting? Is there a, is there someone like who was the first ghost hunter? Like, is there a goat? Probably Ed and Lorraine Warren are like the goats. They're more demonologists, though, if you want to get technical about it. Um, also Zach Bagan says, our king is our father, dude. Zach Vagans, Zach Bagans. Have you ever heard of him? He has this crazy museum out in Vegas. I really recommend going to. He is the father of paranormal. He does TV ghost adventures. If you've seen that show, the ghosts are scared of him, you know, like, like, obviously macho dude, tall, yeah. He's like a kid rock of ghosts. Kind of. What's up? Sexy. What are you talking about? Okay. Everybody loves him. Well, maybe just me. Well, yeah. If you have, if you ever go to Vegas, you should go to his museum. He's like, it's actually like really sick. Not gonna lie. Uh, he has a bunch of like haunted objects and we actually got to hold some of the most like haunted dolls in the world here, which is like really, really crazy. Yeah, there's something special that people about to collect collect these things and put these types of situations together. Happy early Halloween, guys. Yeah, happy Halloween. It's an exciting time. It's always been my favorite holiday. Same. By far, that's the best. You know, only done for the spooky stuff, but also just like dressing up. I feel like the vibes are happier now. Yeah, it's kind of the only time people can go talk to their neighbors anymore. You'll run over there. Bagging for candy. Poison candy. Exactly. Like give me some candy. People don't even know their neighbors, but now they will send their kids. They'll send a kid covered in a sheet, right? With two eye holes that are barely running right through traffic just to go get a baby snicker. It's a beautiful season. It really is. It's a great time. It's a beautiful season. I'm happy for sure. Happy Halloween. Sam and Colby, you guys is hell week will be out over the next month. And those episodes are coming out and people can tap into what's going on with you guys. Yeah, thanks for just all the years of entertainment to your commitment to it. I'm sure it's been challenging and in certain moments and we didn't get to talk about some of that kind of stuff, dude. But yeah, this is just awesome. And I really appreciate you all's time. And yeah, I'll keep in mind if there's something that I feel that's a little bit haunted that I want to get back to. Let us know. Sounds good. I wish we could travel in our past and deal with a spirit there. I wonder if there's a way to kind of like. There's a lot of like past life regression talk that like people kind of see themselves and past lives and like, yeah, or be haunted in past lives type of thing, which is really interesting. But hold on to the story for the time. Amen, brother. You guys have a good one. Yeah, thank you. Yeah, thanks. Oh, but when I reach that ground, I'll share this piece of mind. I found I can feel it in my bones. But it's gonna take.