The No Jumper Show Ep # 432 w/ Nick Cannon

It's each other, but they couldn't do it. They could never stop us. Because we got on the phone like grow man. 916 ish. And we good. So anybody who thought it was a moose versus dole boy dialogue, that's dead. It was a play the whole time. It was a play. We were playing with y'all. The whole time. And we got a special guest coming in the building. The legendary. The legendary. So even before he comes in here, he's the legendary. He's the man that discovered me. He has had a TV. He has. He made jiggaloo. Jiggaloo. Come on. He's done so while and out. Love the pop. Drumline. He is one of them goats and he made time out of his schedule to come and talk to us. So we got the illustrious Nick Cannon. I like to call him Nicholas. Okay. I feel like a personal friend with him. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You got to get the. That's my bro. The government off to him. Nicholas. For sure. And he gonna come in here. He go talk to us. Say Nick in the building. And Adam is in the back doing some filming. Yeah. And after he's done, then he's going to come in here. But before it before Nick even comes in here, what is Nick? Like what was his impact on you? Like did he help raise you like with his content a little bit? Wild and I was my favorite show of all time growing up. Definitely loved it. Wild and now I remember seeing Doe Boy even on Wild and now but for show. Fatter. More Doe Boy like double Doe Boy. Double Doe. Pretty much. Yeah. Double Doe. But yeah, growing up for show. I was a TV kid. That was definitely like a part of our routine. So Wild and now MTV was running it up all day all night. Definitely remember all the golden areas. And he's been around. He's going on his 23rd summer. Like that's a long time to have a television show in syndication. Yeah. He's on his like Rob Dyrdek type shit like him and Nick are the ones who kind of. Oh, he just walked into building. Buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-bam. How you doing? Good. Nice to meet you brother. Chuck, what up? Hop right here, brother. What's good? What's up? We just fired right now. You got the headphones if you want to. Just getting ready for you, you know what I'm saying? So what we doing is we're going to start the first part of this conversation. You got a headphone guy too, a headphone potter. Adam is in the back filming some stuff and he's going to hop in in about 20. Some freaky things. Back there doing more. Yeah. And then you're going to shower. Don't shake his hand when he comes in here. Don't touch him when he comes in here. I've been in Violet Myers right before he came in so watch out. But we got the illustrious, the living legend, Nick Cannon in the building. Thank you so much for taking time out of your schedule to pull up on us, man. No doubt, no doubt, man. You my guy. For sure, for sure. So I wanted to just before we even get into this. So I wanted to tell you this. So me and Moose got a podcast with Adam. Yep. Okay. I see that. Yes. Congratulations. Yes, yes. Did you see the, did you see the fallout with, with, with, with, with wack and how what was flipping out? Everybody saw that. Yeah. That was me. And so, and so what I was trying to tell him. So can you please dispel the rumor because what Moose was trying to do, he was trying to create a narrative and we've gotten past it. Okay. But he was trying to make it seem like I was only being cool with wack because of you. Can you please tell him? Yes. Can you please tell him? To me, it felt like it was like, okay, I got to protect the wack relationship because I know the wack and Nick relationship is good and I don't want to mess none of that stuff. The whole tree of connection and I felt like doh boy. Tell him wack has nothing to do with us. No, no, no, absolutely not at all. But what I thought I saw is that you were trying to be diplomatic because he was on a sweet and shit. Yeah. Like you was like, look, from because I know wack and you know, like I thought you did a, if you wasn't there, I would have just shit might have went different. Exactly. But tell him like, but just dispel the rumor that wack has nothing to do with our relationship because you booked me back in 2000. Yeah, I thought about the say I knew. I mean, obviously I'm known wack forever too, but I didn't like y'all didn't know each other when I, you know, but if doh boy did start beefing with wack, would that make it awkward for Nick Cannon to be like, oh, I got to get the guy's got to see who will win. You think you can fuck wack or you think you can pay? No. I was talking to wack the other day. He was like, though, if you would have jumped the other way, I would have looked at you as a you would have got shot too. I'm like, no. We want no wax smoke. I'm here at the Monday show. I just want to dispel that. So I'm glad y'all figured that shit out though. We did. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I caught moves on the far side, man. Me and you booth, me and you just for the brown and black community. No, exactly. And we both from Sack. Yeah. We got to keep it going. He called me. He was sure list. I was sure list. We had a heart to heart. Titties out. Everybody titties out. Fat boy reconciliation. I was just like, no, we can't do this. We got a new show and Adam brought us here to bring a different gear because you know, but y'all went viral. We got to get a crack. You know how it is. Yeah. Cracking. Right. Y'all should see a wack. Some muffins. Yeah. Some damu. Some damu. All red. All red. All red. All red. Red rose. I think you appreciate that. That's out to wack. So, yo, we were just sitting here talking before you got here, man. And like the Wild'n Out brand has raised so much of us. Like how have you been able to stay relevant and in the mainstream eye for 22 years? Like how did you do it? But talk to us. I mean, I just really just building the platform for others at the end of the day. Not trying to be selfish with it. I mean, like even that's why I admire what going over here and no jumper and what Adam built and everything. It's like you give people opportunities. I would never get opportunities. And then they just, I think the fans appreciate that. But then at the same time, like the people always will rock with you and never forget like, yo, I started here. I started. So like we got so like people, you know, everybody shows love when Wild'n Out is rocking from, you know, Kevin Hart's, the Cat Williams, you know, everybody that from the, to everybody who's popping now from the DC's, the Carlos, the Mojo's. It's like, because it's a, it's a space for people to get off and really just elevate. And I wasn't in it for me. I was in it to build a platform for, you know, my homies of shine. Yeah. I've seen that you were saying like pretty much like Druski was almost like the new Chappelle show, like in a way like with the skits. Like how did you like manage just pivoting? Like cause Wild'n Out has gone through so many eras of just social media. Yeah. That's the crazy shit that people don't really realize that Wild'n Out and Chappelle show was on at the same time. And we was actually doing bigger numbers than Chappelle show. But I mean, we was on MTV, but it was like, you know, places, it wasn't a lot of places to get black comedy. You know, obviously BET always did they thing. But then, you know, Dave was the only black person on Comedy Central. I was the only black person on MTV. But I brought my squad with me, you know. So it was like one of those things to see that, you know, we still doing it and still really touching the youth in the same way pause. But in that way to where like, damn, you wouldn't think for decades, people's parents and they kids be like, yo, we like, we watched the show together. You know what I mean? Like it's bringing families together. And look at even the great ones like even the SNL's have kind of phased out of a relevant seat. They have their ones demographic where we stay tapped in. And it's really because like even right now, there's new season and everything we rockin. We got the legends and that, but we going from city to city looking for the new new kids that want to step up the kids that streaming the kids that, you know, want to figure out how to get in comedy, but they never really, they can't get out here to audition. They can't, you know, they don't really know what to do. But so we going from comedy clubs to battle rap, you know, sessions, all of that stuff, looking for new stars all over the country. Cause it doesn't seem like Wildin out has a limit or like you got to be, check these boxes. It's like, no, you just got to meet the Wildin out standards, no matter what that is or how you be able to be able to hold your own. Absolutely. Wildin out gauntly. And I wanted to ask that question, Nick, because you seem to have a keen eye to no talent. So even when Nick booked me back in the day, I had 200 followers on Twitter. What did you see in them? So like, like, how do you know how to be able to? You a fat. Do you need a fat dude to make about 500? Then he wasn't fat no more. He was like, you got to go, though. Put the bounce back on. Funny story. I got the tattoo tattooed on me and then the next season I didn't get the call back up like, Nick, what are we doing? No jumper tag doesn't go the same way. Yeah. No, I'm real talk like dude was super talented. It wasn't about his following. It wasn't about like, and the fact that, you know, he was funny and he correct. That's really in the Wildin out world. How does somebody even with that many followers get onto Nick Cannon's radar in the first place? Funny story. Yeah. I crashed that audition. I didn't even have a real audition. Shout out to CT Clayton Thomas. He told me where it was at. So I just showed up and I was just like, and I remember I seen you walk in this like one of my like watermark moments in my life. You came in, you had the blue incredible hoodie with a big fat train. I was just like, damn. And so it was like a whole thing in this thing. Like it was a bunch of people. Yeah. And like, and then I went up to, I forgot to one of the ladies, I was like, yo, I got an audition. She was like, she was looking on a list. My name is there. Yeah. And so then like everything cleared out and then there was just one little like one moment where we just like, all right, go ahead. You're just shot. And then I went in there and then I just, and then I walk on. Okay. I crashed that audition. I didn't have no manager. That's crazy. We didn't know that. You didn't even know that. Yeah. Shout out to Clayton. He had a great audition. Right. And then that you, there's a few more steps you got to get through the, you know, we call them workshops and, you know, really you get to go against the current cast members and stuff. So you got to make it through a certain multiple stages before he even touched that stage. He held his own. So it was awesome. And it was, and it was in a moment to where, because you had already had like five seasons of Wild'n Out and then it stopped for a little bit. Yeah. And so I was part of like the reboot of it. The comeback resurgence. And so I felt like so much pressure, but then like he gave me the opportunity like this is the dude that discovered me without just, that's why. And everybody tells me I'm so much of a glazer because I'm a nice guy. That's the main topic we got to talk about. Let's talk about the glazing. You got to check your homie. He's been getting crazy allegations of glazing on this podcast. They're calling me the Glaze guy. But that's, we used to, on the Daily Cannon, we called you the Glaze guy. Oh, the Glaze lore goes, but you know what, you know what, he's instead of playing devil's advocate, he plays Angel's advocate. So where everybody else is saying, man, fuck that. This is what he was like, well, nah, you haven't think about this. No, that is true. You be like, all right, we need somebody to be on the other side of it. To yell at him about our opinion for sure. Yeah. So he plays that position well. Yeah. So I wanted to ask you about this because you are one of the few people because I got a, I got, I got called a Igaboo with the J in front of it. Oh, well, what? I think he's worried about YouTube. Oh, right. We could edit it out. And the reason why I got called that is because I said I didn't have a problem with white people doing blackface because black people do whiteface. What is your stance on that? Do you feel like white people? Why are you talking about this in white? We talked about it. You're going to make me put my turban on. We're going to get in the canons class for a second. I'm going to put my koofy on for this combo. Because you dressed up as whiteface. Yeah, but that's like, there's no such thing as whiteface. Thank you. Like blackface was a real like detriment to our community in so many areas because one, not only just on the surface that they were robbing of the culture and still in our jobs. It was, it was the fact that they was literally playing in our face. Like portraying the negative shit. Like one, it took, it took food out of the mouths of real black entertainers because that's what they were doing during that time. And it was like literally saying that you're less than and like, and there's so many still to this day, like American landmarks that were rooted in that. Like people don't even know like Jingle Bells was like some a menstrual show song. You know what I mean? And we sing it every Christmas like it's cool. And that was like some blackface shit. So it's like, it's rooted in the shit that's deeper that was so, so oppressive that. So now if you do that, that that's, and it's also because as a comedian, it's first like when I see people imitating other people and they do it with class, like, I mean, they've been doing that shit on mad TV, SML, you know, fucking Tropic Thunder, all that shit. Will Ferrell's and stuff like that. If it's funny, fuck it go in. But then when you're literally when it becomes political and you actually like trying to do blackface, like you're like you dressing up as niggas on Halloween. Like, like, like, true dough, the candy. All of that stuff is crazy. But when we do it, we're not we're not bringing no oppression to it. We're doing the same way that's like, yo, this is funny. We're, we're, we're taking, you know, whether it's stereotypes, whatever. And then as comedians do holding that mirror up to society. But when you bring, you know, a century of oppression along with something and you just say, fuck it, I don't care. That's that's like, nah, we got. And he was even getting on me about it because my thing is this, a hundred years has passed. He wants to move past the type of. No, we can't move past any of that. So can you move past slavery? That's what that was going to be money. No, like, because if they start, no, if it was, if we were the dominant and no longer oppressed, there still wasn't, you know, 80% of the prisons is filled with us. You know what I mean? Like then, OK, we can get past it. If y'all gave us some reparations, y'all could put all the black face on y'all want to. So you feel like it's not cool for white people to do the right because they haven't done enough to make shit right. Yeah. Once they start putting those labels on it, like when, when Jimmy Kimmel did it, I didn't think that was black face. Right. When, when Jimmy Fallon did it, all the damn. Robert Downey Jr. Yeah, that was black. And the fact that they were holding them here up to society, that's what they were talking about. That was the commentator. It was him being goofy for even thinking he could do black face. Yeah. And he did it so well. But like what that movie was saying, it was like that people just be playing roles to try to get awards and stuff. And he was supposed to. He was the crazy thing. Robert Downey Jr. was playing an Australian. Exactly. Right. Playing a nigger. Like that's so like in that was. It was, I mean, I saw what they were attempting to do because that when you, when you have that level of brilliance and that level of skill and comedy, you're going to get away with anything because that's, that's where you got to salute anybody who's willing to do it. It still ain't cool. Like it is even how I feel like I think certain comedians shouldn't be able to say certain things. But if you say it with your chest, that's when that's when you a great comic. That's when you're taking the risk. Right. Like Lenny Bruce wasn't supposed to say none of the stuff he said. And George Carlin wasn't supposed to say none of the stuff he said. Look at the Louis CK. Yeah, Richard Brown. That's what I'm like. Okay. I'm going to pay attention. Like Dave Chappelle is the greatest standup ever to do it. But now, you know, like he get canceled every standup special. And I feel like he's doing it on purpose to say that's why I'm great. Because I'm going to make y'all uncomfortable. I'm going to tell you, I'm going to show y'all what we doing and y'all going to try to cancel me. But guess what? You can't. I feel like you take that same approach at times for sure. I do. I ain't on Dave's level, but I absolutely do. I try to push the envelope. All the time. You said he had a big influence. I was like your big homie. Yeah, yeah. I didn't know that you guys had that connection. Yeah, since I was 15. So if you saw Jake Paul do some black-pacing. It's not going to be funny. That's what I said. So it's not funny. It's like spiteful type of shit. Yeah, not only. Now you're doing, you're only doing it. You're just being disrespectful. Yeah, you're only doing it because you feel the way. You know what I mean? You want to get all that shit off. Yeah. But when like Dave did it and all these dudes were doing it, I didn't see a lot of backlash. But I know that you said when you did it, you did get like canceled. So what do you think the difference was? Connor Smallnut. Look, that's on ABC moon. Hey, pull it out. Hey, play that one. One million subscribers. Yeah. And that's like, I had to go sit down with George Staphalophilus. Whatever dude name was. Why do you think that they got so outraged over you when they, you know, we didn't hear about white chicks. We didn't hear about the Dave Chappelle racial drag. I think I'm one of them people. I'm those like a controversial figure that like, even if I just say anything, they're going to be like, because you know what? They expect me to be so clean cut. That's what I think because of the America's Got Talent and the mass singers and Nickelodeon. Just being on TV. Yeah. So then when they see me do something as, you know, Little off break. Yeah. Going out of the shop. What is he doing? This is an art guy that we had to sign. And then I had a lot, you know, I, you know, there was a lot of symposiums and conversations that I had to have. But at the end of the day, they didn't have a leg to stand on because it was like, well, why do you get to do white face? I was like, first of all, white face is some mountains in freaking New York. You guys are making words up. White face is not a thing. Yeah. It was never used to oppress anybody. That's so I think the whole conversation. We were doing it because we were being funny, but there's no oppression connected to when we dress up in characters as different ethnicities. But I do also feel like nobody should be allowed to dress up as someone's ethnicity just for fun. Like I see people dressing up as like Indians or, you know, Native Americans. Yeah. Like you got, you, you dressing up on, you know, Halloween, you got a sombrero on. Like that's racist. Right. Now if you say it with your chest like that, don't have that. Oh, I was just playing. No, you was just playing. When you come out as Ray Mysterio and you were playing racist. Yeah, at least say what you're saying with your chest. But there's some comedians at that stage. No, facts. You know, they, they racist. And it's funny. And I got, and I got a whole lot of smoke also. I just want to get your insight on this because, you know, I was digging through your interviews. How do you feel about non-black people using the N word? Say it with your chest. Like, like if you can hold it. Does it bother you that you make you feel a bit? No, I know what San Diego they saying. The Mexicans out there saying that. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like we all know somebody in our community that we grew up with was all the way white. They mama white, they daddy white, and that's the coolest thing in the world. Because they was with us. We didn't even know that they was white. You know what I mean? Like, but there's also there's people that just start putting on the culture. And they like, nah, you ain't, you ain't, you ain't live here like that. You ain't really, but it's some, I grew up with people that they, especially in like you say in California. Everybody from Filipinos, to Samoans, to Mexicans. They be like, Nick, what's up? And you don't, you ain't thinking about it. You ain't thinking about it like that because they went you all the time. We grew up together. Who up together? That's even worse. You grew up like that. Now, you're not offended by it. Yeah, but if I see some kid, you know, streaming or... But if the energy ain't right and they ripping it, you might be like, hey, bro, that ain't you. Like, you know what I'm saying? You might be not fooling with it. That's like when you see, you know, all these kids now saying, dad homies. Like, what? You ain't even got no dad homies. You ain't got no, a lot of homies. Like, you ain't never said that. You got no friends talking about dad homies. Yeah, like, but that's like, that's, it's that same vibe. When you just start, you know, putting on a culture that ain't yours. And the internet has exacerbated that, you know what I'm saying? Like everybody's just in, everybody's from Atlanta. Got Atlanta accent now. Everybody's saying dad homies. I just don't get thrown by it because I feel like the word is more of a culture word versus, I don't feel like when anybody that's lying black says the n-word, I don't feel like they're saying it with racial connotations. But you said that you could feel the difference though. Cause I asked you like, well, there has to be a line. And you're like, yeah, if I don't know some white fool and you come up to me and just rip the n-word and it don't roll off his tongue, right, I'm going to check him about that. So you do got a line. No, those are two different words though. Like, no, we're not talking hard. Are we only talking about it? Yeah, I was about to say, cause there's a connotation. No, they say the ER, that's racist. I've heard the white people, you know, use both of them to get it all. But they think it's like, well, I could say that. I hear it in the music. That's two completely different words. I'm just saying, you know, say as I could get it all. That's like saying Negro and Negro. You know what I mean? Like, it sounds as well as it looks. Yeah, but once a color one, so I'm trying to try me. Absolutely. So, but I mean, even with that, like, it don't, every concert, every festival you see when the rappers on stage and they, they saying it. They're all saying it. So why do they feel so bothered by it? But it's like, if you feel like you can say it in my presence, then there's some little difference. There's some difference. Yeah, because now you're disrespecting me. So wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. So it's, it's not disrespectful if they say it at the concert, but if they say it in front of you, it is disrespectful. Absolutely. Like, that's a, bitch is the same thing. If I, if I say, you know, you know, I act like a bitch. We singing it. It was my favorite word. But I'm like, hey, don't boy a bitch. He's had a problem with that. He's gonna have a problem with that. Yeah, I do be having a problem. But that's, that's the whole thing. So it's like the same way with that word. If you singing along and join yourself, say that shit. But if you say that to me or in my presence and you don't think there ain't going to be no consequences. Like, so if somebody was just walking to you, you'd be like, hey, my nigga Nick. And it's a white boy. They said it's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Yeah. I'm a big fan though. I'm like, get it all the way home and I ain't gonna blow this young man out. But it's somebody that we all know that has been on the show and when they was around us and they was feeling comfortable. And it was some years ago. Okay. It was some years ago. Yeah, they're gonna go searching now. But it was like, yeah, you know, that's why. And I was like, you can't say that. Like, I'm your boss. But as a big bro, I'm trying to protect you from what you're gonna get hurt out here. He was like, man, I said I'm from there. No, like, because now maybe when y'all actually become brothers and they accept you and y'all have to try. Maybe. Yeah. And being able to hear that word in my presence, you too comfortable dog. So where do we draw the line where non blacks can say it? Do we have to have like a personal relationship? Like, when can they feel cool? See, I think you missed my point. All right. If you like that, say that shit. But come with all of the content. You gotta deal with everything. Like that's even like whatever hood you from. Right. If you, if somebody's banging on you. You're gonna have to act like you're one of us. You don't get, you don't jump you in. Like you don't have to deal with all of the consequences. Everything that comes with it. Really with this. Right. So if you want, there's power in that word. We all know it. Right. If you feel like you got that power. Cause some of them are like, I'm gonna stand down. He's solid. But so I'm not saying, say what you want. As a comedian, I believe you should be able to say and speak whatever you want to say. Just know what comes with it. Just know it comes with it. It comes with it. You've got to deal with all the consequences with you talking recklessly. You feel the same about artists. Cause I have a take where it's like, I always tell Mexican rappers, you on the come up, you probably shouldn't say the N word in your music. Cause it turns more people off of your music than will help you on music career. See now you thinking business. That's bottom line. Like that's if you trying to win as many fans over. That's what I feel like. And you don't have to say it. Yeah. But some people, there's, there's some rappers that, that is they gimmick. You know what I mean? They white and they say nigga, they Mexican like that's like, and people be like, oh, right. Don't nobody say shit to Fat Joe. That's, that's, that's what I'll be saying. Nobody says, nobody said, but they got mad when JLo said it. Exactly. But, but we don't, we don't, we look at Fat Joe as he, with the Puerto Ricans, with the black fools, you know what I'm saying? Maybe don't feel like JLo is a nigga. He's a nigga. JLo is a nigga. Yeah. That ass. That ass. But they got so, because she was so mainstream when she was in, it was definitely. They're not the street rapper. Yeah. Like our sweetheart girl. Yeah. And it's, and then because like the same thing with the Cubans, the Dominicans and me, and even like in a Dominican community. The Mino Black. Yeah. Mino Black. Yeah. You got some people saying. So it's like, it all depends on, you know, if you really like that or not. If you really like that. And speaking of music. So you know, Adam got into a little bit of hot water speaking on your city. And it's a music scene. I saw everybody was going. So I want to know. So as coming from a San Diego native, as you are. Yeah. What's up with the music scene over there? Was he wrong with his take? What did he say? Yeah. What he said pretty much was he was talking to Sean Cotton, the owner of say cheese, you know, say big blog. Yeah. He said, you know, Sean Cotton was big enough San Diego. He's like, it's the best city in California. And Adam said, I agree. It's a beautiful city. But Sean Cotton be signing artists up and coming artists. He goes, you're not going to find many up and coming artists. It's not a music city. You're not going to find up and coming artists in San Diego. So the talent pool is lacking, especially as of late. What's your take on that? Is there a thriving music scene in San Diego? I assume it's mostly rap and hip hop is what he's referring to. Yeah. But I mean, like there always has been. And like the thing about Diego is that it's interesting because we're a beautiful mix of the Bay and LA facts. You know what I mean? But and also it's, it's heavy pimping down here. So when you understand a lot of the slang, a lot of terminology, a lot of way people move and it's weird because they even got a strong connection to Atlanta and Texas because it's like, it's a military city. So there's just a lot of game down there. And even as somebody who came up in the music scene down there, it's, it's almost like they embrace their own in a way and like shots out to, you know, my God, Mitchy Slick. He was just here the other day. Yeah. Like it's like they thrive off of like the way to Bay thrive. We be having songs and that independent way. And I, and, and getting to it. Right. You know what I mean? Like really like almost like they ain't even worried about making it anywhere else because they got a pop and scene down there. Now, granted, it is yet to come. Like, you know, by the way, I'm the most famous person ever come from San Diego. You are. Shut the face on. Shut the face on. But it's just honest. But like, and as a person who was, you know, rapping and making music and doing all that stuff, even since, you know, high school down there. It ain't, there's never been somebody to come and be like, look, we going to build our scene to be mainstream. It's almost like they never wanted it to be that. Like it's like they just like, look, we make music for us and we good. And, you know, people come and, you know, check in and all that type of stuff. But it's almost like it's a hidden secret. Like people don't even know like Southeast Diego is like just like Compton, just like, you know, and that's what I was asking Mitchy Slick when he was here the other day. I'm like, why do you think? Because, you know, LA has their own sound. The Bay has their own sound. Even Sacramento Stockton. Why haven't we received a mainstream artist? We have. From Diego. We have a few. One, I would say Slick, but also we've been back in the day signed to Def Jam had bangers and shot out the J.O. Felony. The Lokes on his own. Yeah. Even for the Mexicans, Lil Rob. You know what I'm saying? First of all, that's what we really got to go. Yeah, Lil Rob. Like our Mexican community, just on that music scene is a ill music scene and it's only going to continue. It's that same type of feeling, though, is like they're kind of in their own bubble. They're killing it, making money, but they're not crossing over into that mainstream culture, just like how Bay Area Sacramento is. So it gets overlooked a lot of the time. I think they ain't really looking to do it because it was never like that wasn't what they was trying to do. Moving through NorCal, I'm always asking fools that are, you know, had success in music. Hey, why don't you see this? They're like, bro, we go to these labels and they try to bullshit us. We making more money on our own. That's what I'm saying. We're going to stay hustling in the streets and just do our own thing, then sign and get fucked by the label and do it like that. I was talking to Wagman and I think that that could be a project that could be unified. Maybe we do like a San Diego idol. Like we find the hip hop artist in San Diego. Hey, that could be dope. Put them on the map. I feel like we need that. But I think every city gets their shot. Like there wasn't nobody popping from St. Louis before it was Nellie. There wasn't nobody popping from Toronto before it was Drake. And when you become that guy, then you got your city behind the door. The door's open. And that's the thing too, to where you got to find, like I feel like Slick probably had it the most. When your city supports you, that's when you actually, that's the makings of a star. He was the figure for sure. Yeah, yeah. And because then you could take it wherever. And that's if you notice all the people that I even just named and everybody, like you got to get hot in your city first. There's no like, there's no way to have longevity in hip hop if your city don't support you. And you feel that even today with the internet? 100%. I mean, I don't know. I know it's shaking a little bit. But again, I'm talking about becoming a star. Yeah, a star. You got to, you got to put your city on your back. And like, that's why, you know, you got to give shots out to Drake verse to him to become as big as he did from a place that we knew we got the plum. Yeah. So I feel like Dago has that same opportunity. And there's been a couple of casts. I was like, okay. For sure. Yeah. I slapped some like little weirdos, little Maru. There's a bunch of dudes I'm slapping from San Diego. And then you get that opportunity like, dang, they put the whole city on their back, city got behind them. And they now have become the icon for that. Exactly. And they're not the new. So that breath of fresh air is kind of what people are looking for to uplift. Yeah. Because I've done that over the years too, because, you know, I got a label, had a label. And we signed, shoot, half a dozen people from Dago. A world. And it's just like, again, before you can go to these major, before you can sign them, you got to have your city. You got to get them behind you. Because if you got two million people who already know you and rock with you, it's a lot easier to talk to these labels and stuff like that. If that show, if that show, right, even the rest of the world, they always see, hey, this guy's already doing numbers. I'm going to jump on the bandwagon. And I want to hit like, that's the thing. Like, Nelly, he was like, I want to see what that, you know, dirty. When they, when you got your own thing, like when Memphis went crazy, you know what I mean? And everybody was listening to music. Yeah. If you can put your city on that way and your culture shines through, then everybody, I want to hear about what's popping in Dago. I want to hear about what's popping in Sack. Like, who's the biggest rapper from Sack? Mazi. Even in like the 90s, because it was like, they got Sebo. Ex-Rated. Brother Lynch Hung. But there was more like underground legends. Mazi's mainstream on the Black Panther. I'll never forget when I went up, when I went to go watch the Black Panther movie and at the end of it, when sleepwalking came on, my eyes got watery. That's the nigga from the crib. Like, what the fuck? We're in too deep. Oh, that's how it's been for real. Shout out to Vlai. But like, that's you. I remember too, like the rest of the world don't even know like the difference between Sack and the Bay. Yeah, Sacramento is the only area. I hate the Bum Calo point. Niggas used to catch fades in Sacramento. You'd be like, I'm from Sacramento. Oh, you from the Bay? Nah. That's because Sack got gang bangers. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We were like LA a little bit more in the Bay. And we were trying to form up. Like the Black Panther's went let the Bay get into the gang fight. They was like, we ain't bringing that bullshit out. Yeah, not facts. Yeah. But all them Bay people stopped saying that Sacramento people want to be from the Bay. We don't. We hate that. Yeah, and people think San Diego and San Francisco is close. Because they don't understand the geography. It's a six hour drive. They just see the ocean. Yeah, everyone here be like, I'm in San Francisco right now. I'm like, good luck. I'm in San Diego. That's exactly the goal. You've been able to catch a couple of flights to get here. But because, you know, we don't know, like people don't know the difference between like when you talk about New York, if you ain't never been there, you don't know how far New York City is from upstate New York. It's the same difference. They were like, so, you know, geography lesson here. Right. So, so, so Nick, bro, you've been in this game for a minute and a lot of people don't really know the trajectory of how long you've been in this game. You used to drive from San Diego to LA. People don't know. You know who you, who he used to write jokes for? Laffy Taffy. Oh, yeah. How did you get into Laffy Taffy? I mean, that's the back. You know, I mean, that's when you get, when you start getting corporate deals and stuff like that. But because I started off as a young kid, Nickelodeon and all that. So things like they wouldn't allow me to do Def Jam and Comic View, but then there would be opportunities that would come my way that I was able to write for Nickelodeon. I was the youngest staff writer in television history and all that stuff. So then I was a teenager and I had, you know, credits as a writer. Right. And so then I can go, you know, obviously I'll get an endorsement deal like with Laffy Taffy do a commercial. And they're like, you know what? We need somebody to write the jokes in Laffy Taffy. I do it. You know what I mean? And like, so for, for years you opened up Laffy Taffy. I'm a fan because I opened up a lot of Laffy Taffy. And it's saying at the bottom, right? Yeah. So how does that like a pan even come about as a young man like that? Cause like people aren't thinking like that. People are writing raps. People are writing a, I want to write a TV show. I want to movie. Yeah. It started off as like, you know, I would just love to write all these carry notebook with me from, you know, writing verses and all that stuff. And then you got to create your own opportunities. Right. So even in that, like I wasn't nobody looking out and trying to give me no. Who even instilled that type of mindset in you being so young. Yeah. Just being, just being outside the comedy stores, standing in front of the improv. Like, and then you see how other people getting in like, oh, I'm going to just go through that. Like they ain't got no auditions or roles for me. I'm going to go write me one. Okay. You know, like if you, you're going to wait to get on the stage and then I'm going to present something unique and funny and different. And then I'm going to go try to talk to this person and try to meet and like, you just get that hustle in you and you create your own opportunity. And you start pants. Like one, I'm already the youngest person out there. Yeah. So then they're like, well, what you doing? What you got? I did this. I did this. I want to come rock with you. And that's usually how it turned out. Just the hustle. Was it rocky at first? Or did you feel like you got the hang of it pretty quickly? I think you got to learn the, you know, the format and everything. Exactly. You know, the difference between writing a, you know, a teleplay and a screenplay. And you know, like it's just, it's back then, I think the only, there's like two different softwares that I was like final draft, which I think is still popping. And how are you learning this information at that time before the internet? Yeah, you just hear about it. Like, you know, the, the, it used to come on a floppy disk. You know what I mean? Like, oh, jeez. Yeah. Like you just learn how to structure it and learn how to make it. Then you got to figure out, you know, oh, a three act structure, right? A movie, a two act structure for a sitcom. Like you, you figure in all of this stuff out by reading and soaking up the game from all of the other people who are writing and you just fall in line. Yeah. Cause I heard you talking about passing up on crash, which obviously was like a cult classic great movie to do. Love Don't Cost a Thing because they gave you kind of more freedom with the writing. I got that and a lot more money. Obviously. That's the best movie for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it was like high in size. Like, damn, I should have did crash, but it's like in that it, it really, you know, because I was able to control it. And like I said, I got to flex my pen a little bit more. I feel like I made the right decision and just one doing a movie that I was starting and getting paid millions of dollars. And what's that the biggest like I wrote it and you've, and you've passed on different things like ATL different things. Like is there any project that you passed on that you was just like, let's say other than ATL other than ATL. Is there anything that you passed on that was like, I wish I would have did that one. It's, it's a couple of them. Nothing really like stopped the yard, but it was that was presented to me right after the success of drumline. I would have looked like drumline. Second semester, I put the drums down and start stepping. No sticks is his step. Yeah, it is. You know, great movie, but it was like, dang, maybe I probably should have did that. You know what I mean? But you know, it's, it's, it's all week because it's such a small community. And when you that guy, all of those scripts come across your desk and you're like, maybe, maybe not. And then so it's a lot of stuff. It's a lot of stuff that just didn't hit either that I passed on. Like, oh, I'm glad I got. Let me, let me ask you this question. No, I passed. You passed on Soul Plane. Man, I'm so glad I passed on Soul Plane. You said you glad? Yes. That's not your soul plane. That movie was not a success. It wasn't successful, but we love it now. We love it now. Like, yeah, Kev was like this and then he did Soul Plane. He's like, dude, that's a prank. Soul Plane, a prank. And then he had to build it back up. And he was, they didn't want to touch Kev out there. I didn't have a Soul Plane. I didn't know that. You had to be there because first of all, what happened with Soul Plane is like six months before the movie was supposed to come out, they bootlegged it. It was one of the most bootleg. I remember that. It was everywhere. So it came a hood class. Yeah, right. But so when it came out, it opened up to like $3. And like, like in that, it just, and it probably was, if they, if it wouldn't have been bootlegged, then it probably would have did a lot better. And when you sit home and watching you, hi. It's like everybody already seen it. Yeah, yeah. But you already seen it. So you're not going to the movies. And then these numbers and that's that, that builds your reputation in this game, especially back then. It's different now. But like, you trying to be a movie star and your movie opened to $3.50. It's like, oh, you ain't got it. You ain't got the juice then. Yeah. You never, and not, you know, that was, you know, I mean, that's, that's why I salute Kev to what it was. Cause we, you know, that's my brother. So like when I thought I was like, oh, dang, he like, it might be over for a problem. He took your shot. Yeah. He swung for the fences. Yeah. Even higher man. So let me show us who he is. His resilience. Let me ask you this, cause we've had conversations offline before. So what was it after the success of drumline and all that? And then you put your own money to fund the pilot for Wildin' Out. What was your thought process when you did that? Man, I just wanted to get my friends jobs. I wanted to get Kev out the hole of that soul play. Because that's what it was, man. And then like MTV gave me a deal. Cause you know, back then I was hosting like all the spring break stuff and TRL. And they were like, man, we like you. We, you know, you really still buy a comparable family cause you came from Nickelodeon. So you kind of graduated to MTV. So they gave me what they call a holding deal. Like, yo, you can develop and create whatever you want. And they was trying to give me to create, you know, like the next version of punk for, you know, for black people. Okay. You know what I mean? It's like cranktux. Yeah. Yeah. Or even like, cause that was what was popping. And then there was this space where like what I am, like a comedian and hip hop and bring those two worlds together and like do like some like improv stuff and they just didn't understand it. So I was like, well, y'all ain't gonna understand. I'll take this little bread that I got and show y'all, you know, rented some cameras, rent it out, you know, the comedy union on Pico invited everybody out from, you know, Kev to, you know, yeah. Everybody. P.P. on and you know what I mean? And they pulled it up for and then they, we filmed it, edited and then they saw and we get it now. I was like, damn it, I own it. So you got to break big. You took like inspiration from because we saw like the SNL's, which are skit shows, which is different than what Wilder Now is. Yeah. No, I definitely took inspiration from like there were shows back in the day. We didn't live in color. Like, yeah, that was like Uptown Comedy Club. It was a real club that was in New York where a lot of that's where Def Jam got its inspiration from. And a lot of people that are legends now, like, you know, Tracy Morgan was on Uptown. Flex Alexander, Jim Brewer, like all of these people. And it was a real club in Harlem that they would literally, you go, sometimes they do stand up, but you would go there to see them do improv and sketch. And it was just, it was raw. So I got inspired by that, obviously in living color, obviously Def Jam. And then you even got to like, whose line is it anyway? You know what I mean? With the, when they, how they was killing, you know, the two characters. What part of it was that made you infuse the hip hop part of it, like the rap battle? Cause we was all doing the same thing. And I don't even, that to think about it, cause even if you think about a while and now inspired a lot, and a lot of those cast tell me like inspired that visual battle rap and the real free styling, you know, mixed with the preparation stuff. Because before that, like before smacking all that, it was us. You know what I mean? 100%. Our stuff was, it was, you know, on impromptu, but that, and I got to give props to the Lyris lounge too. Cause the Lyris lounge was on MTV before, while and out. And it, you know, shots out to Def Jeff and all of them. Like, because what they would do, they would write these hip hop musical like scenes and scenarios and like, if you look it up, you know, all the youngsters out there, like Lyris's lounge was just like, it wasn't a hit, but the culture rock, all about storytelling right there on the spot. So I was like, ooh, if we did something like that, but it was more about battling and capping and roasting on each other. I was like, that's going to go crazy because Lyris's lounge would like literally wrap into a whole story. And then it'd be like a scene and it'd be kind of funny. It'd be a punchline at the end. But when we did it, we was like, yo, we're going to do this on some like battle rap stuff and back. Cause even, you know, back then battle rap was like something we used to do at lunchtime at the school and like you had your joint. And then some people would have that gift to be able to freestyle while you spitting your written. And then I think the world wants it, the battle rap arenas and the scenes kind of got caught up. Yeah. They always say like, yo, that stuff was inspired by the early days of while and I feel like it was ahead of its time. But I feel like it's stood the test of time because bro, you coming up on your 23rd summer with this. That's that's crazy. Like it's like when you talk about long running TV shows, like we don't see it run like this. You know what I'm saying? It's like so close to living legend. And now to get into this spacing of like the streaming and the streamers and to be doing a Netflix is a joke and all that. It's like, it's going to a different space because we just been able to adapt and navigate as television has changed. So talk to me a little bit about because the tour is kicking off on May night this Saturday. Yeah. So tell me a little bit about the pivot. The pivot that you're doing now with what while now used to be to what the new season is going to be and what they can look forward to. Well, it was dope. We elevated the brand when we started taking it on tour selling out arenas. And it's like the TV show is cool. Well, when you go to one of them arena shows is lit. Your favorite rappers is there, you know, performing. It feel like it feel like on some festival type. You know what I mean? It feels larger than life. I feel like you go into WWE. Like when you see 10 to 15,000 people in there all with while and out shirts on, I was like, that's now what I believe I want to show to the television. I want to show that to the world. So now we filming the tour as episodes. So we come into your city looking for a new while and out stars. Right. And it's going to be while and out versus St. Louis while and out versus Chicago versus Brooklyn while and out versus. So now we giving people the opportunity in a real way to where when Doughboy had to come to an audition and sneak in and all that stuff to get his shot. Now we come into your city and we looking for you and you're going to be in front of 10, 15,000 people because you go battle the while and out legends. So in that, even with, you know, kind of gives you that same energy of like a kill Tony or even when, you know, you go to see, you know, the Kings of Comedy where it's like, yo, that joint is in our arena. But that's the episode that you see. So now every episode you're going to see is going to be an episode in your city live. And even like on a smaller scale, Doughboy won the no jumper host competition. I did. We did a live stream and did that. Yeah, I saw that. That's how I got to be here. You killed that. We take it from you. They didn't even know who you was. I was like, I came and earned my cleat. I didn't want no favors. I didn't want to get walked in. You didn't hold up the while and out. None of that. None of that. So let me ask you about that. Keep flashing a little bit. Just try to like, you slick with it. So let me ask you about that because I think to this day, I'm the only person that has a while and out tattoo. Do you got a while and out tattoo? No, no. You don't even have a while and out tattoo. And Adam got a no jumper. I got some while and out girl tattoos. Oh, yeah. You got a few of them. Let me ask you this. Let me ask you this. What did you feel when you see me on Instagram flashing a while? Did you think I was crazier when you just like, he's committed? I thought it was dope. I thought it was dope. You know who also has one? Nile has one. Yeah, I think about the same size as yours too. Our showrunners. Shout out Nile. Yeah, yeah. So I mean, and then a lot of like a lot of the crew and stuff got one and yeah. So I mean, now you were the first, but it's definitely some. I got, you know, I got the no jumper tattoo. Yeah, what do you think of the no jumper because he was on while and out, I think a lot longer than he was on no jumper before he got the tattoo about two weeks. But it's all about metaphor. I'm asking Nick right now. It is dope. One just because I see now when we go to the shows, people got while and out tattoos all the time and they never been on the show. Yeah, it's just because they rock. It's a culture. So no jumper is a culture. So it's like, I'm pretty sure he ain't the only one with it. And the fact that he can really be like, yo, I was part of this. I was part of my freaking ET tattoos. I got Nintendo tattoos, WWE. And that's all the culture. That means it to you. Because I really used to watch the show in my house in Greenhaven in Sacramento where my daughter was in a bouncy chair and now she's a junior at Howard. Yeah. I used to just watch that shit. I was like, I'm going to do this. And then when I was going through my own mental health challenges and like no jumper was a shit that connected with me. I'm like, I'm going to get on that. And as soon as I got on it, it got to get on my body. Yeah, I heard you talking about when you did the movie, a drum line that it gave you that appreciation for like the HBCUs or just a different type of a vibe once you did that movie. I mean, that's what it was. Like before drum line, honestly, what was it? A different world was probably the most portrayed HBCU experience of black college experience. Yeah. And then and so and the numbers actually express it that once drum line came out the enrollment for historically black colleges and universities, skyrocket. Really? So it's like it's it really, you know, now I'm a staple in the HBCU community. That's fire. Figuring from drum line and everybody wanted. They ain't no Atlanta A&T. That's not a real way. North Carolina A&T and as you know, there's math colleges and A.U. I see one in the future. Yeah. And then, you know, for me even going and, you know, going to Howard and graduating with, you know, my degree in criminology is like that. I've kind of like become, you know, part of the mecca of what HBCUs mean to our community. I'm a figure out there. Yeah. So I appreciate it. And, you know, education is something I've always been an advocate for. So. Absolutely. Locked in. I know you was getting a lot of flack for the interview you did with Amber not too long ago. Oh, yeah. Not just, you know, because I'm a political debater sometimes. I'll be getting into debates. I'm not trying to hold you to the fire or anything. But what was your perspective on that backlash and everything you face because of that? You know what I'm saying? I see you got a lot of flack. Yeah, I mean, I get a lot of flack for everything. I just got a lot of flack for saying I don't want my daughter out here dating. I wanted to talk to you about that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I was. So you said. I could look. I said before we get into it. I said, I do this. Like I've been I've been canceled a thousand times and people mad. And but it's like when people know your heart, they know it is like shout out to Amber. That's my friend. We're my friend for years. So it's like we're going to have conversation even when we don't see eye to eye. And you don't be like, I don't agree there. But then we like, let's find some common ground. Like it's a conversation. I've also had I've interviewed Candace Owens. I interviewed Dr. Oumar. Yeah, interview, you know, people from the extreme right and the left. So I was like, that that doesn't bother me. Like I'm all. And then the next week I was going viral for talking about something about the Bible. You know, like it's like every week is something that they catch me on either my own platform or one of these platforms. Right. Some I'm going to say something tonight or people have. I'm going to have to be upset. Why did that one in particular get deleted? Because I couldn't find that one. Well, I mean, if we be honest, Amber wanted me to take it. OK, because she was getting a lot of like, but it one, it was old content. Oh, so she's like, I don't even remember what I said or what it was. And the political landscape is different. Yeah, it was completely different. So I was like, I wanted to ask you about that question. And I might call my daughter to even reference her on this. You got smoke with you on this one. So I want to know. So you said you said that you wouldn't let your daughter go on a day, but you would encourage your son. Absolutely. Doug, first of all, OK, let's have a conversation. You're a father. I am a girl that have you ever had to smack the shit out of somebody for getting too close to your your child or like I'm near. I have. Yeah. So but your daughter, it was all and it still is. I feel this way. It's about safety. It's all about safety. I'm not worried about my son at a party and he going to hold his own. We taught him to fight. We like if you see a group of girls at a party and do trying to get. Let me get your number. Why are you acting like right now? It's dudes out there to this day. If a girl says, no, I'm not giving you my information. They will punch her. They want to attack him. Yeah. We see that all the time. That's the problems I have. I'm not thinking about. I want my daughter to be happy. Live your life. Do whatever you want to do. I'm thinking about the safety of my child. I don't want her alone with no other teenage boy. I don't. My son. I've raised him as a man to be always respectful. Right. Treat women with kindness and grace and patience and all of that stuff. I can't no matter what I teach my daughter, I can't control them little niggas on how they act and who train them. Well, if you meet them first and they there, there's no. This is the inverse of this. So I dealt with this when my daughter was a junior in high school. She had a boyfriend. He was a senior. He was he was falling out. He was falling out with his parents, right? Uh huh. And they were with you. These are already. I let him come stay with me. I let him come stay with me and I trusted my daughter enough. They slept in the same. I let them because I trust my daughter. And so that's why when you had. But you but we trust our daughters. Right. I don't trust the little niggas around. I had that I had that conversation with him like a nigga. But at the same time, I was like, this is a young man. He's a little misguided. Hey, you can come live here and I let him stay. Kind of you. And I like he's under your roof. He got to live by your room. I had the real conversation with him. But it was just it was just it was just interesting to hear your view on it about the the difference between boys and girls because we true. Yeah, there's a double standard. But I have no problem with it being a double standard. Life is you know, how many how many women are on the front line of the military? You know, we're going to get drafted. You know what I'm saying? That's there's a reason for that. Right. There's a reason why men don't box women. Yes, true. There's a reason why there's a NBA and a W. And though nobody is going to the game, basketball is a double standard for a reason. They need to lower them. Let the women duck. Let women like men are stronger than women. But you're going to fight or safety. It's going to get bad. Right. I get there's a young dude that wants to do something with my daughter. It's like, no matter how much karate I teach her. Right. So let me ask you this. You have a myriad of children. Yes. So if let's just say one of your daughters comes and says, hey, dad, my boyfriend, he's he's falling out of good graces with his parents. Can he come live with us? Would you allow that? Oh. Would you under your roof? OK, let me ask you this. Because you did this. I did. I lived it. Would you ever think? Like when they were at home alone. They was getting it cracking. Let's be honest. No. We all been 17 before. I was with him. My next crib. You know what I'm saying? Trust my daughter. It doesn't matter about your daughter. Your daughter is in love with this little boy. She is in love with him. And I did let him stay with us. But you've been 16. I have been 60. But he was older. You know how much influence he had over your daughter. But I don't want to do what you do outside of my house. So you wouldn't let him stay with you. Because now you disrespecting my house. And I told them that. Don't you ever play with me. I told them. And you think they listened? I would have believed you. When he was around, they listened to show. I would have believed they did. No boy. They was in there fucking. It was getting it cracking. The show. It was getting it cracking. But would you let another young man come live under your roof? I wouldn't want to. I mean, OK. You know, not to flex. I'll be quicker to go get it. I'm going to go get your little partner. Yeah, no, thanks. You can go visit him. I'll pay that. I'll get the little nigga apart. You ain't going to live in my house and going to try to speak up and do something with my daughter. I allowed it. I guess we're talking about worst case scenarios, like a dude beating on your daughter. But then look at the inverse. Your son, crazy chicken, ruining your life, sending you to jail ruining your whole trajectory. Because I raised my son. But I'm going to raise your daughter correctly too. But she's not in control in a situation like that. I'm talking only safety. But think of a girl grabbing a knife on your son. You know what I'm saying? Then you got to grab that knife on that girl. Well, flip it on the inverse. OK. So let's case. I can see. And that's the thing. Like there's going to be a lot of steps before a my son gets into a confrontation with the woman. Right. Off the rip of nice meeting you, my daughter doesn't respond the way that he wants. That's true. It's a problem. It could be a random dude. Yeah. Well, let me ask you this. On the inverse, so you would not let a dude come live with your daughter. But if your son came, he said, hey, my girl. And she would you let her live it? Because I don't know. It's your walking country. That was standard. Nicholas, your walking country. No. What do people not understand? It's different because I'm going to have this conversation with my son. Right. Hey, Lonnie, don't be. This somebody daughter. She's a minor in my house. I'm right. Ain't none of that going. Right. So you're going to have that conversation with my son is going to listen to me because he listens to me because that's my son. So you will let the girl stay there but not the guy. Yes, because I don't know this little nigga. You know, I don't care. That girl ain't going to do nothing in my house. Okay. This dude is on. He might steal some shit. Sneak his homies in. I'm talking about how I raise my children and it doesn't matter when you raise a daughter, right? You worried about every little nigga outside. When you raise a son, all I got to do is worry about this nigga right here and he's going to listen to me because this is my son. Okay. That's not my son. You didn't raise this other nigga so I don't know this nigga. I tell this to my daughter. You setting me up for failure because if he does anything. It's all going bad. Going to turn all the tables up. I told my daughter. The bell money is already set to the side. If a nigga play. So you put me in a bad position. Don't do this to your father. Exactly. It's simple as that. Even when stuff goes down now, I tell my son, please handle it before you bring it to me. Because you getting into a fight with her boyfriend. That's two people. Two niggas handling the issue. But if a nigga put his hands on my daughter, everybody getting shot. Man. I don't even want to be in that scenario. Just avoid it all together. Don't do this for us. Just get this. Make it to college. I know you're going to do your thing. So 18, they free. I have no more control. I'm giving you all I can give you. How old is your oldest? 15. They both 15. So they get into that age. Yeah. I mean, these are real conversations with me. I don't care what people say on there. I'm having these conversations daily. You can actually live this. Yeah. But you know, right now. Side note. Before we put it to the next thing. Side note. I don't know if you know this, Nick, but because that man. So there's another personality here at Nojumper. Another personality. I don't know. His name is Spodey face. Okay. He's a he's a 40 Crip. Okay. He called me the Igaboo word. Oh, okay. And then my daughter called me and I seen the look on her face. Okay. So I've called him out to a phase. So on August 28th. Oh, we're boxing. Don't do that. I know big softening. Wait, because he called you a name. Yes. And then he wasn't mad at the time. I wasn't mad at the time. Couple like a day or two later. But then my daughter. And then I because my daughter is super. She told me she wanted to go to Howard when she was five. And when I seen the look on her face, I said, I'm going to punch him in his face. Baby. Don't even. And she was like, no, dad, debate him in words. Fuck that. I want to fight. So I want to know. Wow. Do you know who Spodey face is? Yeah. He's a big guy. Who you putting your money on, man? You got to put your money on somebody, man. Cause we're going to fight three rounds. Both of y'all. We're both in our 40s. I was going to say both y'all. He's about 50 pounds. I'm going to say he's about 50 pounds. I'm going to say he's about 50 pounds. Well, if y'all he's, he's about 50 pounds lighter than me, but I'm going to come down and wait. So I got seven years younger. He's support, support the nigga you discovered. No, no. He needs the honest for the, for the, for the rolling 40 quick. He got, he got, when's the last time you had a fight? When I was 19, when I was 19, but I spar a lot. I see you. I spar. I spar. So I have sparred, but the last time I was in the street fight. Is this, is this in the ring? We're going to be in the ring. In the ring. I'm not too long ago. So have you, um, you can go three rounds, three, three minute rounds. No, it's three, two minute rounds. Oh, two minutes. Okay. Okay. What do you think, man? Who you put in the money? Cause it's all about stamina at this point. It's all about when, that's what I'm worried about. But you know what's crazy? I'm much bigger. Okay. He's a little bit taller than me, but I'm bigger than him. When's it last time you threw a real punch though, boy? A couple of weeks ago. Like even in a, like, I throw these shits. Like I'm not heavy bagged. He ain't always holding that vape. I'm not ready to go. I really get it in. So that's like, clearly he's had altercations. I believe so. And a correction of facility. But you know how the jail fights go. That's what I'm saying. That meant you a different type of monster. Like he, he got a fire in his eyes that you don't possess. Yeah. The instincts, the, the reaction. You just look me right. You're a great guy. You're a great guy. And you look at your eyes. He has seen some shit you ain't seen. It's definitely different. So you, so you're going with him? Uh, on the early, on the early, I'm going with him. Damn, Nick. I thought he was going back there. But the distance, I think you, you, you know, you might be able to wear him down. I just hate the fact that I'm bigger than this nigga. And niggas is acting like I'm the Vic. The size, they ain't got nothing to do. You know how many, and especially like it's, you know, I don't have to call you out though. You know, take, take over the, take the back. I'm like, don't, don't do it. Don't do it. It's like, even there's a difference. Like it's a, it's a certain bill where you know a nigga can scrap. Yeah. For sure. He got the, he got the long arm. August 28th. Keep your schedule clear. I don't want to. You don't want to tell you this. I don't. But my God, like, and we in our 40s, why are we fighting like that? Like that's when you see middle-aged men fight. You just know a injury. Wait. Yeah. I see that. I see two niggas can made it. They was going to just do a race. A nigga tried to race and pop. Yeah. I've seen that. But okay. It sounds like at least you, you, you train. I'm training. So, so which, and I got three months. Yeah. Oh, okay. So I got some. He's trying to lose like 60 pounds by this. And I'm a punch on the nigga. You got to come out. You got to walk out on the walk out with me. And this while I got this shit tied. You got to bring me in. I'm going to have to, you got to, you really set you up for because Nick can fight too. Nick know how to box. Box three times a week. But that's also, I know the difference between like these who do this fight and a boxing match. He might be good in the street fights and then penitentiary about the physicals, but in a brain. But it's a bottom line is if you know how to fight or not. That's what we're going back. I know he's just five, two and one knocker. He's a six, five out. Right. I know skinny dudes that are catch a fade and just got hands. I know a gang of big dudes that can't fight. Yeah. He's some big slapping. Don't know how to move around. Just don't, you know, we, we don't seen them. You know what I mean? Like I'm not a throw a punch and it's like, so size ain't got nothing to do with it. Like if you know how to fight, you won't get to it. Think about all of the cats that fight MMA and UFC. They make big dudes. Yeah. Some of them fight and maybe turf is 120 pounds. Floyd Mayweather. You saw somebody Floyd Mayweather side walking. Yeah. I'm not standing here. Floyd Mayweather. Not your ass out. Not your ass out. Filly shell on you. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like so it's, do you know how to fight is the question. I do. And, and you know, cause you're a father, you're a girl dad. So just imagine. But that's what pushed you just got your daughter. I think it did. I think it did. Even me and dough have been guilty of this. No jumper has a certain energy when you get here. Let's talk about that. Let's talk about that. It's definitely like it is you want to build up. We see everybody going viral. The crazy moments is like the culture of the platform. So sometimes you get tied up in the, you know, the, let me, let me ask you this. So when, when a new cat comes to Wildin out and he's trying to earn his cleats, like, have you ever seen somebody do a little bit too much and play their self opposition? Always. You get one episode. I didn't see them put niggas on the plane. I ain't going to call nobody. But those are for the dudes that you get out of there. Are there any way that you pull to the side? Like, Hey, let me just give you a piece of advice. We want everybody to win. Right. And usually it's, it's the antics that, that happen off the stage because really all the stage, you can do whatever you want. Right. If you got the confidence and you know, it's people, but it's like how you carry yourself when one, this is just how this industry works. Yeah. When you, when you, that and just even just being out of pocket, doing too much. Yeah. Like, yeah, he funny, but he ain't built a TV. Right. You know what I mean? So it's just really controlling how you move and how bad you want it and being, this is a business. You got to be professional. So we've probably sent people home or they've no longer on the show because of something that happened off the stage, right on the stage. Do you live a rock out? Especially if it's funny, but even like some people are just great at failing. There's people that's been successful on Wild'n Out because they never get a joke off. Yeah. I'm one of the ones like. You just tried to pull it out. I'll never forget my first episode on Wild'n Out. Shout out to now Evans. I came out there and the nigga hit me with a joke and it just looked like it hurt me. He stopped everything. He was like, he pulled me to the side. He was like, no, you can't do this. If you look like you're not having fun. You're all with the punches. And so I learned. So, so talk to me about that. Talk to me about, because what I learned on Wild'n Out is everybody can't get a bell. Somebody got to get a buzzer. Fail big. So, so tell me about failing forward and being able to be a part of the joke and how you've mastered that. I mean, that's what comedy is all about. Like if you see me like, I don't, you know, I ain't got no kind of tissue paper feelings. Like you can't hurt my feelings. So that, I use that to allow the team captains and the guests to get comfortable. I was like, yo, hit me. Say this about me. Like it's about setup punchline. It's when you're doing that, you could be the straight man or you could be the fuck. Like I have no problem being the butt of the joke. Right. And then there's some people that just, that is like, oh, I'm a, I'm a fail big. That's my thing. When you go up there and you bomb, it's still funny. It's still funny. The buzzer's just funnier than the bell. No, facts for sure. Sometimes you got to be ready for that. And that's what I kind of learned in Wild'n Out. And I kind of took that to all depth the same way. Like be a part of the joke. It's not like, I remember the coldest shit a chick ever said to me one time, but it resonated me. I was like, we had got into a whist playing a space game. And she was like, no boy, you ain't a comedian, nigga. You're a joke. And when she said that, it hurt, but then I was just like, I was just like, but there was something in there. Like sometimes you got to be able to be a part of the joke. I hope you never talk to her again. That's gonna be the neighbor of my first comedy special when I do it. But, you know, but you have to be able to be a part of the joke. Like don't take yourself so, and that like, when I used to see Nick, I'm like, Nick is richer than all of us. This is his show. And niggas is hitting him with the most joke and he's laughing harder than anyone. And that's what I learned from him. Like that's a part of the game too. You know what I'm saying? Like you can't just be the nigga that gets it off on the time. Sometimes you got to be able to take one. No offense. Exactly. Up here we got like a kind of like there's been a bunch of different cast have been at no jumper throughout the ages and people like to say, oh, this was the golden era. This was the golden era for a while to now. What would you say is like your golden era? Maybe your pick or and then like the fans pick, you know, saying type of vibes. I mean, I'm always go OG. You know what I mean? I got to go Genesis. Yeah. The Cat Williams, the Kevin Hart's like when we was, and when, you know, I was the youngest dude on the set. You know what I mean? Like now, you know, it's your shit. You're OG status. Yeah. I mean, I love everything that's come after, but like the origins. The origins. And then, you know, the ones that came out of that. Right. It's like, you know, I still think it's everybody going to continue to just not facts thrive and elevate, but like it ain't nothing like how we was doing in early 2000s. No, you know, one of the things I've always looked up to Nick, you kind of roll with the same team forever. Talk to me a little bit about like how you keep the same people like the the Tays, the the the Chucks, like the Michaels, like how like you've had the same you've only he's only had one manager. My whole whole time. Adam Sandler kind of vibes. Like your squad in a Hollywood environment where people always go their separate ways. How have you been able to keep the same team intact this whole time? I mean, shoot, I think you just built like that. Like I just that loyalty means a lot to me being solid. You know what I mean? You know, rocking with who you came to the party with. That's who you want to celebrate with. So I mean, that's just that's kind of my vibe. You know what I mean? Like even outside, like I just I'm solid and I want to see the people that rock with me. I want to see them elevate. Right. You know what I mean? That's even like wilding out or anything like that. So that's that's really where it just come from. Like I don't like being around strangers. Right. I mean, especially like because we make money together. I don't like it's that comfort. I'd rather be around some people I know and be familiar. Not fair. I mean, just I want to be in the room, look around. I don't know nobody like I'm in the wrong room. I was just thinking about that recently. Like, bro, our relationship has spanned like 15 years now. You put me back on this shit back in 2011 top of 2012. I'm just like, bro, like I was just having a conversation with him the other day. And I was just like, and when I got off the phone, I think it's, I think you're to me what Will Smith is to you because you were a really big fan of Will Smith. And like, I got off the phone. Like we talked like last Sunday, we like for like 30 minutes. I got off the phone. Like I just got off the phone with my idol. Like speaking to that a little bit, like, like being able to like look up to somebody, but then be able to work with him. Like how, like, how is that like kind of translated with you in the game? I mean, back then it's like, whether it was Will, Jamie Foxx, like all of them people just, they saw a young dude that was hungry. And I wasn't, you know, I was driving back to Diego trying to, I mean, I was just at Jamie Foxx. I was like, you know, you wasn't. But so to be able to, to actually now pay it forward and give to others and create those opportunities, I know exactly what that felt like. You know what I mean? So I was like, I feel like it's my duty too much is giving. You know how important it is to these dudes coming up. Yeah. Because you had a, you had a pretty close relationship with Kenan Thompson coming up in the game. Right. And you was coming up and see you always his couch when I, you know, he saw me sleeping in the car and he was like, man, you got a whole situation up here. Like, and you always knew how to play your position because you were like the opener back there. The warm up. Yeah. The warm up in the audience for Kenan and Kel. And you played your position. Right. And then I started writing. Then I started writing episodes of Kenan and Kel and all that. And then I became a dick. And let me, let me ask you this. I ain't got a locker. I got to put my kids to bed. Okay. We're going to get to the bottom. I'm hoping Adam comes in here, but. I think you got to go to the show. Adam's going to be going like something. Adam busy. I'm just going to say the kid got a ear infection. Oh, shit. No, but, but, but, but we daddies. Right. You got stuff to do. No, for sure. All right, go ahead. You got one. Last one. We're still going to get the Dr. Sebi documentary. Absolutely. I mean, that's a lot of my homies when I was asking, what should I ask Nick? The main question was, are we getting the Dr. Sebi documentary? Maybe all in my, my comments, but like, man, that's, that's so complex. We've been, we've been filming probably got like five years of footage. We don't want to go to all doors, Africa, talk to family from, from Nip family because I wanted to do it. This was a passion project. It's his, of his, and then even Dr. Sebi and all his family, Dr. Sebi got like 30 kids. Yeah. Like, so like, Still pushing that message. Yeah. So it's like just making sure because you don't want to put no lies out there when you're dealing with big pharma and you're dealing with, you know, holistic values and stuff. You just want to do it right. And there's a lot of legalities that go with that. And you also have to have a platform that is willing to take that on with you. You can't just throw that up on YouTube. There's a bunch of documentaries on YouTube. There's going to be people trying to bury that. Yeah. We're trying to make an award winning truthful, honest, you know, portrayal of who this amazing man was. Right. Before we get out of here, so we got the show coming up on Saturday. What can people expect when they come out to the Wild N' Owl show and that experience in their face? Tell them. And he's specially requested. We're going to, we're going to have some special pop outs from the, from the no drop of universe. I'm not going to spoil it. It's going to be great. But what can people expect when they come out for the live show and that experience? I mean, really giving it to them in a way to where it's, it's never been done before. It's Wild N' Owl for this generation. So everybody who loved what they loved, favorite games, favorite, you know, comics and all that, we're going to be up in there doing that. But then at the same time, it's going to be a lot of new stuff and that new energy that the live shows give you that when you go see one of the Marina show. So, and it's where it's Netflix is a joke. Netflix is a joke. I'm going to pull up a show. I'm trying to be good. And thank you. I wanted to thank you for, for moving things around in your schedule, man. It made me feel real special in my heart, man. Oh God. We was like, man, don't boy and get Nick Cannon. I got Nick and then I was like, we got to move the time. And then he was just like, Adam was playing. So thank you. I know you're a busy man. My God. Nick Cannon. Oh, my God. My God. Monday show. Adam is over there and you got to go deal with this kid so that we'll get you on next week. Thank you for pulling up, Nick. We'll see y'all next week.