#627: Prepping the Ground For World War 3 | Patrick Henningsen

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I had a chance to meet him a few years ago, also at Anarcopulco. We become friends over the years. my acquisition of activist post in part was me thinking boy you know patrick kenningson has 21st century wire and i love what they're doing if only you know we can continue the the mission of activist post and be held in the same high regard as 21st century wire i would consider that a major victory his work is above reproach and outstanding so please enjoy my interview with the great patrick kenningson well it's great to have patrick kenningson here because we were just in mexico for anarcopulco and things kicked off and of course i want to speak about iran because it's the most pressing topic but let's start if we can where we started in puerto vallarta with anarcopulco started off innocently enough it ended with uh with cars on fire what was your take on this was it was it theater was it a real situation was it a combination of a little bit was it made for tv action what was your take on it all yeah anarcho poco 2026 became narco narco poco uh 2026 um disaster seems to follow this event uh yeah it does uh it proceeds and follows this event, but yet the event still carries on, which shows the level of resilience there. And so, look, it was a great week. It was a great conference. You know, everybody was buzzing by the end of the week. And then everyone at the end of the week, you know, departs to their different locations. Some people were staying for the crypto vigilante and dollar vigilante seminars that came after the main conference. So I was scheduled to fly out not long after that. So I think it was Saturday or Sunday. I can't remember. But, yeah, so myself, like others, well, we heard the news. Yeah, I think I was going out Sunday, actually. And I heard the news, Pat, Pat, get outside, get outside. I was having breakfast. And someone said in my hotel, get outside, get outside. Look, look, the cars are on fire. There's nobody in the streets are blocked. And so I went out. Sure enough, that's exactly what it was. It's kind of surreal, like, you know, a little bit cinematic in that respect. And I'm looking around and I'm like, where is everybody? It's like lockdown. Nobody on the streets is a ghost town on usually on Sunday on the weekends in a city like that, which is a major international tourist hub. There's tons of cars and it's just busy as anything on the weekend. And so anyway, I wasn't planning on, you know, doing any journalism while I was there, but I sort of got the camera out, got the phone out. We managed to hook up a live feed to the Sunday Wire, which was broadcasting live at that point. So we got in for a few minutes and just to show people like what was around us and, you know, a little bit of reporting. and then everyone kind of went away and it was a little bit unnerving because you know i'm charlie i i've been in war zones in different countries i've been in situations where you know it's like not my normal environment places like iraq or um syria or you know places like that even iran recently i was in tehran which wasn't a war zone yet but it is now which we'll talk about later but but with with the the cartel wars i have no real point of reference as to like how things work in that situation so there's a level of unpredictability and there's a lot of foreigners in that city a lot of expats a lot of canadians a lot of americans especially and a lot of people visiting for the event and just tourists in general in our hotel uh there are people down there like part of christian missions and churches and i ran into these people and nobody knew what was going to happen you started seeing things on social media saying that if the uh cartels demands uh the uh cartel jalisco new generation, if their demands are not met, this retaliation, this unrest was in response to the killing of a major narcotics boss, at least that's the main story, El Mencho. Sorry, El Mencho, he's a mensch, El Mencho. Is he tied to the Israelis somehow? I don't know. Well, yes, actually, yes, I'll mention that. And so it was a Mexican federal operation assisted by U.S. intelligence, and maybe more than assisted by U.S. intelligence, I think. I think America is very much involved in this whole story and driving this story, in fact. But so that's the retaliation. And so everybody's like, they're seeing reports on social media that there's going to be invasions in hotels and homes if the demands aren't met by 5 p.m. And that was on Sunday. So airports closed. We see video on social media, people fleeing the airport, like screaming, running out of the terminals. I mean, it's real dramatic and made for TV stuff. I mean, it's not the type of thing that I would have ever expected to experience, especially in a place like that, which is very chilled. Mexico just in general is very, very chilled. I know there's things rumbling under the surface in a lot of places, but overall it's very laid back compared to the U.S. So anyway, and so there's the unpredictability and people didn't know what was going on. Anyway, after 72 hours and, you know, after buses, cars, buildings, there's smoke all over the city and people are afraid to go out. And there's reports that taxis were being shot at. There's even reports of, and I can actually verify one of those reports, that attendees at our event, their taxi was attacked near the conference center. That actually happened. I actually later saw the photographs and heard from those people. But so it was kind of chaotic. And then it died down after 72 hours. Then, you know, manana, everything as normal, and life back to normal in Puerto Vallarta. Maybe not in some of the other cities like Guadalajara, more inland, or where this kind of raid took place was Topalpo, which is about 400 meters southeast of Puerto Vallarta. And that's known as a cartel stronghold in the Jalisco state. So anyway, I did more analysis of this and looking at the political data points. And I try to kind of synthesize that to figure out what's pushing what. You're looking for where's the leverage, what's pushing in on what. And what I found was, I mean, it's obvious that the biggest drug traffickers in the Western Hemisphere have always been and always will be the CIA and the DEA, two major U.S. And the FBI is complicit to a large degree, but mainly, let's say, the CIA and the Drug Enforcement Agency. They're the biggest drug traffickers. in the Western Hemisphere. They work with the cartels, but in terms of actually enabling the trafficking into America, it's a U.S. government agencies and military that do the bulk of the heavy lifting for those operations, and there's a lot of money to be made. So knowing that, if you think about this as a mafia hierarchy, who's the biggest mafia on the planet? Who's got the most guns? Who's willing to use them? It's America. That's the biggest mafia on the planet, And then Israel is the little sort of capo there next to maybe maybe that's the that's the capo. Maybe it's the partner. Who knows? Maybe it's the son, Michael Corleone. But but but the Mexican cartels are nested underneath that. They're nested under they themselves have their own power base in Mexico politically. And we're talking generations, generations of political cultivating influence and control. And there's all sorts of networks between corporations, government and the cartels and politicians that are appointed to be regulators. These are key positions. And this was the same. It's the same in America, maybe more so in the past when corruption was not so white collar in America. but in Mexico those are key positions so Claudia Sheinbaum is the new president she happens to be Jewish which is to me is neither here nor there at this point because she seems to be very pro-Palestinian and the Mexican government's official position is recognizing a Palestinian state at the United Nations and you guess who is very very unhappy about this and offended by it is the Trump administration and israel and israel is on a mission to flip all of the latin american governments away from recognizing a palestinian state and they've succeeded in argentina and the u.s a lot of people aren't aware charlie uh have uh executed a coup in honduras before christmas so two two months before christmas so in october november that was a successful soft coup it's very well documented what happened. We've reported on a lot of it. Other people, other journalists have done too. So what the Trump administration, what Marco Rubio's task is from Paul Singer and the Israeli lobby is to put far right governments in place throughout. They will not tolerate one dissenting country. So they've marked Colombia for regime change. They've marked Nicaragua for regime change. they have marked mexico that would be very difficult uh cuba as you can see and uh and probably brazil will be towards the end of the line on that we'll see venezuela as well so look at look at the results this is a real thing and israel have the isaac accords that's the you've heard of the abraham accords right charlie the isaac accords is the same for latin america that is Israel's political project to flip Latin America, to normalize relations and be pro-Israel. Why? I looked at the weapons traffic in Mexico. Largest weapons trafficker in Mexico is the United States, bar none. And Scheinbaum's complained about this. She's saying, we've done our part by stopping fentanyl coming through, but you're not stopping the guns coming through. And she's vocally, you know, challenged Trump in the U.S. on this. This has been a problem going back decades through multiple administrations. But guess who the second biggest weapons trafficker into Mexico is? I guess Israel. Yep, you guessed right. So between Israel and the USA, why would Israel want to be trafficking weapons into Mexico, specifically into the hands of the cartels and organized crime? That's so interesting, isn't it? And you have to ask the other questions. Why was Israel in Colombia for the better part of 20 years arming and training the death squads of the right wing government at the time in Colombia, the paras, they called them, the paramilitaries, to fight the FARC? okay and so and at the same time colombia was buying over the table uh billions of dollars of weapons from israel and and technology surveillance technology guns all sorts of things and the training as well all that so israel wants to have all of those countries as clients this is a huge market collectively for weapons arms military training ai surveillance software track and kill software, all this stuff that Israel has road tested in the West Bank and Gaza. They're marketing it to the U.S., and they want to open that up as their main market. And so they also have business interests in there. They want to increase their ownership. And this is the billionaire class, the Ron Lauders of the world. While he is American, or I don't even know if he's American. I think he's American by nationality. But he's the one that told Trump to take Greenland. And he is also one of the big mega donors next to Les Wexner, Jeffrey Epstein's main financier, and many others. They're part of the mega group. So Ron Lauder and these others are also pushing for Javier Millet to open up parts of Argentina for Israeli interests. And not just business, military interests as well. What would Israel's military interest be for controlling Tierra del Fuego and the Southern Straits' access into the Pacific? I mean, what does this tell you? What's coming? Well, it makes me ask, how do you say Operation Condor in Yiddish? Yeah, yeah. Oy vey. Yeah it a condor a big very big bird So yeah I mean so this isn a conspiracy Everything I said is absolutely 100 factual And look at what they're doing to Cuba. Who wants Cuba at the end of the day? Before the Castro's revolution, whether you are, you know, communist or a capitalist or whatever, Before the Cuban Revolution in 1953, Havana was an offshore site for the Jewish and Italian mafias and the Washington mafia. Congressmen and senators would go down there to do their dirty deals, have their parties, do whatever they do, and money's exchanged offshore, 90 miles. And you can imagine the level of corruption in the U.S. system at that point. and and so castro reversed all that and they've never forgiven the the castro revolution for this because he pissed off pretty much everybody and i think john f kennedy probably got the brunt of that uh in 1963 and uh and so there's that that's now they're suffocating and destroying trying to strangle with a military blockade cuba not allowing fuel in i mean it's it's it's horrendous and no one's going to be able to stand up to the U.S. How does that play out? Does that play out with the U.S. just taking Cuba at some point? Yes, yes. They feel it's a softer target than Venezuela because of its location. It's got a smaller population, and it doesn't have nearly the sort of powerful kind of mass political base that Venezuela has in terms of the mass. It's population 11 million. And they're just banking on the fact that they can ruin it economically and destroy it socially and then start possibly bombing hospitals. And, you know, these are Israeli siege tactics. The Trump administration has merged with Israel in the methods, in the mentality, in the tactics, in the language. and totally disregarding international law, human rights, any war crimes. Like, what are war crimes? They're just arrogantly just dismissing any criticisms. Like, what are you talking about? We have the power. We're going to do it. So, I mean, that's kind of where we're at right now. It's not pleasant if you're on the receiving end of that. And unfortunately, we're so corrupt. the political system in america is so corrupt that democrats and republicans for the most part are on board with all of this they really are and they couldn't care less about the cuban people but they will wax morally about oh we need to free the cubans and bring democracy to the venezuelans and we need to liberate the mexicans and uh etc and it's just endless the same hollow rhetoric and all they're after is they want every single acre of agricultural arable land in Cuba under the nested under Cargill and Coke Industries and Monsanto and all these other Bill Gates. That's their interest in Cuba. Nothing else. That and probably growing drugs there. I'll say something controversial. This Trump administration is absolutely aligned with international drug cartels 110 they pardoned one of the biggest drug traffickers donald trump juan orlando hernandez former disgraced president of honduras trump pardoned him and no one asked why trump trump's a reason some said why did you pardon this the biggest federal indictment one of the biggest in history for trafficking cocaine of the United States, ex-president of Honduras, in the federal pen. And Trump says, well, my people said he was treated very badly, very badly. He was treated very, very unfair. Biden, Biden treated him very badly. So there's no real justification for it, no reason for it. And then you have to ask the question, who told Trump to do that? Who told Trump to do that? Well, Israel was also, he was a big backer of Israel. Hernandez. He's very pro-Zionist, but worse, worse. Marco Rubio, his best friends with the president of Ecuador, Daniel Noboa, and the Noboa family have been implicated in, guess what? Smuggling coke in their banana shipments to Europe, the Noboa Fruit Company. Massive scandal in Ecuador, and then that's been tamped down. You don't see the DOJ sending any indictments or anything to that so so that's rubio's best pal so this is the this is the latin america they want to see which is run by cartels pro-israel and far-right basically and i mean i'm i vote as people know me i voted conservative i voted for trump i admit uh on multiple occasions because i believed the campaign promises but uh you know when it comes to regime change overthrowing governments I'm pro-national sovereignty. I believe it's the business of the people in that country to determine what type of government they have, not Washington's business. So I believe in sovereignty. I believe in people's right to free speech and so forth within the context of whatever state they're living in. But I don't believe it's our business to determine the government. What I think is the more pressure we put on some of these countries, the more hardcore the hardliners get in whatever form of government it is. And they get more defensive and we get more war as a result. And so I don't think there's anything conservative at all about this Trump administration. I think this is a radical Trotskyite neocon regime that unfortunately is in Washington. And they're completely out of control at the moment, as we can all see. I've been watching them try and fit a square peg into a round hole for a while with bricks, with Brazil in particular. It always felt like a piece that didn't fit geographically, didn't fit ideologically. I don't know. It never seemed like it fit with what they were doing with the Belt and Road Initiative and that whole thing. is the goal for the american empire and the israeli empire as well to get brazil out of that arrangement to isolate it from the rest of the brics nations is that doable is that something they're looking to do uh absolutely absolutely and i think they they they did this successful argentina was going into bricks right and then milay was installed into power which was under this guise that he was a libertarian and all this other stuff and he is uh it's it's kind of a train wreck all he did was just basically saddle the country with more international debt and managed to get a bailout from trump uh the biggest one of the biggest financial bailouts in global history more money than the united states for backstopping their currency basically i mean they've given money and stuff to ukraine but in terms of cash payments what they've given to argentina it's more in fact than any one tranche so why is that they're really desperate to hold they need to hold that up as a pro-us pro pro cia pro israel uh government and And so for Brazil, it doesn't surprise me that Brazil was one of the sort of founding BRICS countries because if you look at BRICS, it overlays with the non-aligned movement. The non-aligned movement was a precursor to BRICS. This would have been during the Cold War in the 60s, and these were countries like Libya, like Syria, the old Syria, like Iran, like Cuba. You know, the ones without central banks. Basically, yeah. And they tend to be leaning left or maybe even if they're not leaning left in the sense of, you know, an official socialist or communist country, they're into nationalizing key industries and state-directed economy like China, basically, state-directed economy. So the non-aligned movements would be definitely not NATO members. You wouldn't be in there in the NAM if you were a NATO member, not members of the EU, obviously. So you wouldn't belong to any of those clubs or the North Atlantic Treaty Organization or whatever, and NAFTA, the free trade organization. Wouldn't be in any of those. Wouldn't be a trilateral commission sort of country like Japan. So what's left, and you wouldn't be part of the British Commonwealth either. So what's left are a lot of those NAM countries. And so Brazil is unique in South America because it's Portuguese. It's a Spanish-speaking world, but it's an outlier in that it's Portuguese. But it has the most powerful economy. It's the most rich in terms of resource endowment. And it also has very, very strong institutions in Brazil as well. So they would definitely like to take it out of bricks and also because they were a great client for China. So a great supplier to China and also a great buyer of Chinese product as well. And the U.S. went to streamline the Western Hemisphere and create a fortress America right down the Western Hemisphere, including Latin America. But the problem is during the 90s and 2000s, China made massive inroads into all of these Latin American countries and Africa. And, you know, and then Washington, they're all having fits and tantrums because they're like, look at how far China has penetrated into Africa and into South America. And this is just right in our backyard. And they're stomping their feet. And I'm thinking to myself, but the U.S. used to have complete dominion over Latin America. So what was the U.S. doing during the 90s and 2000s around the world that drew them away from their own hemisphere? And let me think about that. Who drew America away from their own hemisphere to fight foreign wars in Central Asia and the Middle East? Is it that little tiny strip of land the size of New Jersey? Yes, it's Israel. And who determines foreign policy in Washington? The Israel lobby. So the Israel lobby pulled America, put America into debt, pulled all of its resources and focus into the Middle East and Central Asia to keep Israel secure and safe and neglected pretty much everywhere else in the world, if we're thinking from an imperial perspective here. And now they're kicking and screaming and they're trying to make up for lost time. And by rushing it and doing these desperate operations like kidnapping the president of Venezuela with a fake indictment about drug trafficking and shooting up fishing boats in the Caribbean and then flexing and doing a victory lap like this is some great achievement for Delta Force. That's where the U.S. has found itself in 2026. so it only has itself to blame and the fact that america has lost at least washington anyway has lost a tremendous amount of its national sovereignty to a foreign uh entity and i i don't think we can argue with that looking at the events of the last week uh i mean it's now everyone should see it by now if you have if you cannot see this at this point you will never see it yeah that's true i was talking to john perkins about that he's refreshed confessions of an economic hit hitman recently with the latin american flavor to it talking about the chinese economic hitman how they come in and do this and it it occurred to me that you know the policy of america versus the policy of china in let's say in relation to africa was that the chinese were building hospitals for sick africans whereas the americans were building graveyards for dead ones right we were just in there murdering their people meanwhile china's building infrastructure of course they've got their own frustrations with it you can watch the documentary uh about the democratic republic of congo and the chinese trying to build infrastructure in there and it's it's a frustrating uh situation but it it um it occurred to me that at some point the american empire was going to realize that they'd left the back door open in latin america and that the chinese had moved in and it started I don't know whether it's Ecuador importing in facial recognition technologies and starting. That's a slippery slope. So did this pivot to Trump's Monroe Doctrine? Was that just predicated by somebody taking a big picture look and saying, hey, guys, if we don't pay attention to this, two decades from now, the Chinese are going to have all of South America colonized and they're going to be coming north. Is there some calculation going on as a defensive play, or is the American empire just only thinking offensively these days? No, I mean it shouldn't be any kind of an epiphany in 2025 or 2026, in the first year of this Trump administration particularly, that China has increased their influence economically, politically even, globally, but especially economically, by orders of magnitude from where it was 30 years ago. Just look at the trade deficit between the United States and China as an example. The U.S., what happened is, what you're seeing now is, it's not something that happened overnight, but they're trying to rile up the American public to make them think this is a new phenomenon, and you need to get really outraged about it. You need to give us all of your money, and we're going to tax you into oblivion to pay for this new military. Trump says, I'm going to rebuild the military again. Like he said, I rebuilt it before. He didn't rebuild anything in his first term. He's not rebuilding it. Now we have aircraft carriers from 1960 running around. I'm surprised they don't use coal furnaces. But anyway, so what what the novelty here is that the establishment has has realized that they they have they have gotten rich off the financialization of the American and the European and the British economies by outsourcing all the jobs starting in the 1980s and chopping up companies and breaking up companies and taking what they called the unperforming assets. selling them off, and then all of a sudden the share price goes up on the stock market because, oh, that company is turning a profit, but at the expense of all of those domestic jobs in the United States, in England, in the UK, and in Europe. And that was the big revolution of the 1980s. And then all the momentum is going to Wall Street, to the financial class, And what do they do? They lobby with their with their increased power and clout lobbying for more deregulation of financialized instruments and derivatives and all of these creative repackaging of debts and re-securitizing mortgages and the subprime mortgage crisis and the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act again at the end of the Bill Clinton, Bill Clinton's second term. And all of a sudden, you know, so the economy is humming, but it's humming for them. And it's not necessarily humming for everybody else. You know, we're not seeing concomitant wage growth. And certainly the cost of living keeps going higher and higher and higher. And so now so they can never make America great again. Trump's run on this trope. But America will never be competitive in the manufacturing sector until they realize Elon Musk's vision of robots making everything. And then we're at that point, we're all on UBI getting paid a stipend to stay at home and do watercolor painting and other navel gazing activities that will make us live our best life. Right. But but exactly. Exactly. But but so they can never reverse that. And China will never lose that competitive advantage, not for a very, very long time, because China's on the ascendancy. And so the foreign policy component is that software from the 19th century. And that's that's political operating system. OS. That is a political OS. I'll use this as a metaphor so people understand with I.T. It's a political OS that's very outdated. In fact, it's the equivalent of Windows 97 today. So imagine running Windows 97 today, trying to get your AI bots to work. It's not going to work. So all the foreign policy vision, the vision of global management is outdated. And if you go 100 years back, where was China 100 years ago? is more or less backwater in terms of the Industrial Revolution. Where was Africa 100 years ago? You know, Langatis and basket weaving, not so anymore. Where was the Middle East 100 years ago? Camels, tents, and that's not the case now. India, where was India 100 years ago? They were under the thumb of the British Empire and extracting all of their wealth and running massive slave labor structures to benefit the city of London That not what happening in the world today So all of that geopolitics was configured for another world a world that no longer exists So when you hear Marco Rubio and Donald Trump echoing the sentiments and the frustrations of the central bankers, that's what you're hearing. The elites management class, the hereditary rightful rulers of this planetary fiefdom, they're still thinking in old imperial terms. And meanwhile, the U.S. is not even probably the number one superpower on the planet, not economically anyway, maybe militarily, but not economically. China is the workhouse of the planet. There's no doubt about that. And India is not far behind them. And America is getting worse and worse in that position and with a declining population. which is a byproduct of all of that great social engineering of post-World War II. And Europe is also cratering declining population, again, because of all that great liberal policies and inventions and social engineering and post-modernism. So we all bought into that in the West for the last 70 years, and now we're getting upset, and then people like Elon Musk are funding the far right to get angry at the immigrants and angry at the black people and angry at the Muslims. when in fact Elon Musk is the product of that postmodern liberal corporate order that is eating itself and is consumed to the United States, literally consumed the United States to the point where Gen Z are now looking into the future and wondering what is their compelling future? What's the promise for these young kids? What are we promising them in the next generation? It's not the same sort of American dream or promise that were given to our generation or our parents' generation. And at that point, you have a major contradiction in the political economy. And if that can't be reconciled through politics or other means, then you will eventually have a fraying at the seams of the fabric of the republic in the sense of America. But I think Western civilization, as we've come to know it, the first world, is coming under pressure now, structural pressure. And everything we're seeing with the Trump administration and the Trump phenomenon is an expression of that, as are all the supine European governments that are completely feckless and immoral and corrupt. And van der Leyen in Brussels, this is an expression of this process. They just don't want to face the fact. The people themselves are like a physical manifestation of the state, the weaklings in Europe who are just – the next one is weaker than the one before and nobody has any respect for them. Donald Trump in this cartoonish vaudeville sort of – like he's running – he's pretending to be a president. I think this might be the most dangerous time in the world because you have a delusional American empire that's losing power but thinks it's gaining power, walking into the Thucydides trap with China where 12 out of the last 16 times this has happened, it's led to war, right? A rising power challenging the existing superpower never ends well. You got a 75% chance of that ending poorly and you've got the worst people in the world in charge I'm having a hard time if i'm this generation looking at what is what's the 20 years look like for me Boy, I don't know that I can help them. I don't know that I have anything good to say to uh, you know Uh, you know just work harder. I don't know that that's the answer What do you tell these people that are looking into the future? Well, you know, it's it's it's way it's way more dangerous than 80 years ago because we don't just have one nuclear armed state superpower we have you know uh eight or ten um and and in the top tier maybe four four or five in in the top tier that's way way more dangerous so uh you know for the for for this next generation they have to they have to look at i i sort of tried to address this a little bit but i didn't have enough time to go deep into it in my talk at Anarchapoco, but this construction of this digital control grid that has got people so pinned down in their day-to-day movements and ability to express themselves on the public square forums that we have, social media and YouTube, etc um and then the the the system's ability to switch people off if they're seen to be an unfavorable person either switch them off at the port of entry in a country or switch them off like in terms of debanking and this is something that happened to a lot of our colleagues during the covid fiasco with the vaccine uh scandal and all of this stuff all of us who were uh protesting against it speaking out against we're getting canceled on different levels and also this this can extend with people who are anti-war activists now um as well and so that that why that's different is this the first time in history where there's no expectation of any privacy just imagine that no private life um no private movements no private movements like no private activity period. And so going into that, it's very difficult to then rise up to overthrow the system in a physical way that maybe previous generations were able to do when things just got so corrupt, when things just got so out of order that it was suffocating and people had no choice. As Gerald Salente famous says, when people have nothing left to lose, they lose it. but now when you lose it, where do you lose it? You're going to end up losing it in your bedroom and going into manic depression and then how you're going to cope with it is not to rise up against the man but go down to Walgreens and get a prescription for Xanax that's how a lot of people are coping or turning to drugs or just basically withdrawing into their virtual worlds so that's to me the big human challenge at least in the West. Now, I'm talking about people in other places in the world, including places I've just visited recently, even in Iran. They're not as tied into that digital world. They're still connected with the real world, traditional, family, the land, you know, food from the point of getting it from the tree to the plate. I mean, that's not a foreign concept for people in those countries or in other countries in Southeast Asia or in Africa or in large parts of South America, even in Mexico, for instance. But in the U.S., in Europe, in Canada, in advanced countries like Japan, more and more people, especially the young generation, are more and more siloed into this kind of centralized system of providing everything that they need or seemingly they need at a whim. So that's going to be a big challenge. So you've got two choices at that point. And, again, this is a conversation that we had a lot of during the Anarchapoco week with people. You can opt out. You can look for an escape hatch. You can start an intentional community, and there's a lot of people that are going to do that. And I would never get in their way, and I would never tell them that's a bad idea because it's not a bad idea. It's a great idea. However, there's still a large percentage of people that still live within the confines of this ruling system. And so then the question is, you know, a lot of us in the freedom community or in the truth community or however you want to characterize it, so many of us are withdrawn from politics. We don't vote. We don't get it. We don't want to interface with the system because it's so corrupt and our vote doesn't matter anyway. and we're not going to get involved in any local meetings, and we're just going to withdraw. Now, that's an option. That's withdraw my participation, withdraw my consent. But there's a price to that, and that's the people who are going to engage are those people you just said, Charlie. Worse ones being replaced by even worse ones, and the level of mediocrity just keeps going higher and higher. and then were controlled by absolute ghouls and demons and fiends and corrupt people that are total corporate careerists who don't have a shred of any interest in anything ethical or moral and are only caring about themselves and their gold-plated pension and their clout and their status and that's it and job for life and ideally a job where they don't have to actually do anything. So that's who's ruling us. More and more, that's the case. So what would happen if all of us in our community, even the people that we spent a week with recently in Mexico, what happened if those were the dominant faces in our system, in our government? Those were our congressmen, our senators. Those were the heads of all the committees. I think we'd have a very, very different situation on our hands, personally. um so that's just i'm just putting that out there charlie as an idea well there's in and i'll tell you this there's i suppose a bright side to the younger generation being digital and being aware i've never seen so many people question the official narratives that they're seeing on tv in a way that they didn't do in the past and and one of them that came up here in the states that was everywhere was there are massive protests happening in tehran they've the the regime has murdered tens of thousands of protesters out there now of course i hear that i immediately my bullshit detector goes off like crazy uh but for the average person in america or in the uk who's just got a couple minutes to consume information on the news to the best that they can they see that they hear it it's uh maybe they see it on one channel and they think maybe then they read it in the newspaper oh i see it again or maybe they hear it online next thing you know it's real to them you were there what was the reality of the situation that you saw on the ground in tehran well that's one of the reasons i i decided to go and believe me there was a lot of things keeping me from going a lot of a lot of hurdles a lot of obstacles political obstacles um and i will i will i will be you know i i've already been you know targeted for going over there in very malicious ways. And I expect to see more of that. But quite frankly, I had no choice because as a journalist, I can't keep opining and analyzing and covering this region, this area. There comes a limit where you're talking about a place or a country that if you don't have personal experience, There are limitations to how you can express yourself in terms of understanding what's actually happening on the ground. So I wanted to go to see what the real situation was politically. And I got fairly conclusive answers on this. One of them is that there is a massive sense of solidarity within the country of Iran. And because it's being targeted and threatened. and that comports and is consistent with everything I studied as a postgraduate student in international relations. So all that theory is good, even though you know the theory, even though it makes sense to you, to see it verified strengthens it to another level. So I saw that with my own eyes. I experienced it. I got attacked for sharing those insights internationally. One video, which I had no idea was going to end up on their national broadcaster, someone just came up to me with a phone. And, you know, I was out there with two million people all supporting the supreme leader and the government and saying, you know, you screw America, basically, you know, bring it on. And then someone shot a mobile phone video, asked me a question or two and said it was for their blog and it was on their national news. And then it went international after that. and boy did I reap the whirlwind for that one minute or one minute and 30 seconds but I'm glad I did it and also just to also, I feel like as a journalist I don't go just to go look for a story, I go to learn what life is like and I want to know what the people are like and I want to know if I can sit down and I want to understand what their customs are and have a meal have a conversation, have a political debate and then they're asking me a lot of questions about my side as well that's also part of the journey is uh you're you're you're i'm i'm the evidence for them of what some people in my part of the world think and and not like what fox news is putting out on the airwaves so that for me being there that's also valuable to have an alternative american or western perspective for iranians and uh and so sure They probably think that we're all cheerleading this insanity. I mean, my guess is that their media is skewed in a way that, well, not that it really has to be, but to show how many Americans are supportive of this. And I want to stand up and scream like, hey, not all of us. Not all of us are thinking that this is the right thing to do. I think before social media, that was a big, big problem. now they see how many of us reasonable insightful uh people are on social media they see the the numbers and they know that we're here now and and they really do and so they're very canny uh in in that sort of thing politically i would say iranians are very canny and very smart and they are they are the best trolls in terms of memming and trolling they're incredible um and it makes um they regard america even conservatives in america as being kind of woke you know they because they're actually conservative they're socially they're pro-family they're you know they're pro-family they're they're they're religious they're not you know they're against abortion they're against all those things that conservatives claim to be against in America but aren't really. And they're pro-sovereignty, and they're also pro-their own interests, which is, again, what a lot of Americans claim on the right, especially in MAGA, claim to be, but they aren't actually. Because when it comes to the crunch, they will kneel to Israel 99 times out of 100, if not 100 times out of 100. And that's not just on the right. This is across our political spectrum in Washington. I wish there were more Americans that would, I think, pull up our politicians on this. And I think there are. And you mentioned some bright spots, Charlie. And I think we are seeing a big opening of people having this eyes wide open moment now. And you can see it. It's very visible. people are questioning totems that were sacred up until recently and not just young people even normies you know even normie boomers are coming around slowly but uh but but the youth i think are realizing that no this this this thing that you guys have been doing now for all these decades it's not going to work for us we're not really on board with that so that's why it pushed the elite class and the the zionist elite class led by larry ellison the second richest man in the world to basically go on a a rampage of buying up every u.s media outlet to try to control the narrative they're panicking they can't control they think that if they buy tiktok that they're going to control uh the what people think about israel and the world on tiktok or if they're not and to prevent them from being sympathetic to the you know native palestinian population it's not going to work. The kids are just going to leave TikTok and say it's a sellout and they'll migrate to some other platform or they'll find another. Because in a capitalist world, that's your market. You're not going to be able to suppress that whole youth opinion market. It's just not going to happen. They will pop up wherever they're going to pop up and they're going to dominate. uh and and so so yeah there's something definitely to be to be hopeful for there and unfortunately we have these decrepit dinosaurs that are in power right now i mean literally ghouls in their 80s like biden and uh and trump that are driving the world off the cliff and they won't even be around to see the impact it's ironic that the jews who are such big fans of barbara streisand don't understand the streisand effect it's the streisand effect well yeah i mean it's just this it's so funny you want to see something funny this is i i yeah that that would be a good app the streisand app yeah we should we should we should work on that one it's a problem but so so okay let's go to speculation island i guess because because as of recording of this the the the u.s has started bombing iran three days ago so we're talking about less than 100 hours you know this so things are going to be progressing by the time this episode is available and you know we just understand how things progress what's the what's the best case scenario for this for for all all parties involved did we get into some sort of Theatrics and we leave it at that kind of like what happened on the 12 day war, if that's what they're actually calling it. Or does this spiral drag in neighboring countries that have security agreements And does this break out like world war one where everybody gets dragged in simply because they they legally tied to one another and once a bomb goes off in this country then all that country's in and that's my fear how do you are you can we bright side this or is this going to get ugly i think it's already ugly i think it's already ugly and um you know iran warned that any pre any uh unprovoked uh attack on them would result in retaliation against u.s bases all over the middle east and against israel and that's exactly what they did they've done it uh so you know america no one should be shocked about what happened uh what's happening now the the question is what will the u.s and israel do to save face that's the question because america's already got a bloody nose i mean think about that i mean who who would have the tumerity to hit u.s bases in 10 different countries simultaneously in 24 hours and then pummel tel aviv is tel aviv is getting pummeled in israel and they even hit cyprus it's a major nato base uh british raf equatorian cyprus and uh and nato can't do anything because the u.s started the war and they're the leading nato country so there's nato's out of the picture there but uh and no one thought that they would hit eu that's eu territory so iran is is already officially attacked and hit eu territory not by much but they could if they want send a very very massive barrage of missiles uh very big barrage missiles to cyprus and then what europeans are going to say how did this begin that's the question they should be asking themselves but instead they'll say we support our ally the united states and the iranian regime is abhorrent and whatever but uh so what will they do to save face and the sad thing is i think even at their own detriment the u.s and israel have the potential to go and hit you know nuclear power stations in iran create huge havoc environmentally hit population centers kill lots of civilians in Iran, and they will try to assassinate. They have a list of all of their leaders in their planning strategy center, and they're working 24-7 to try to assassinate and kill everybody in line politically. I mean, that is a Israeli tactic, and the U.S. is merged with Israel now in its methods and its language and its approach to international power. and i think this is it's going to be very bad yes it will be chaotic but the u.s and israel are going to pay a dear price and are paying a dear price for this in terms of their international legitimacy and iran has shown the world that one country one country the first country to ever stand up to the united states head to head first in the modern era uh in in a meaningful way and inflicting damage and not afraid and not surrendering, being threatened with annihilation and saying, we're not surrendering. And what they've achieved already is unprecedented. And Israel, I think, just continues to dig a ditch for itself. But look, Israel had total dominion over Gaza and carpet bombed it for two straight years, and they still have not subdued Hamas. Do you think they can do that over a country like Iran has a square meter territory that's the equivalent of continental europe and you think they're going to subdue them in a week and to make them capitulate no and the people are going to get more what they've done is well is whatever the results of this they're going to be horrific for iran i can tell you right now it's going to be bad iran's going to lose a lot of people and a lot of their leadership class and but what what they've done is they've motivated the young generation in Iran that weren't even born during the revolution. They have no recollection of what their elders tell them, the stories of why America is bad. Now they're seeing it for their own eyes. So America and Israel just reinvigorated a new generation of resistance in Iran. And if you look at what Iran has achieved in terms of technological developments over the last 20 or 30 years, in terms of missile tech, their space program, their nuclear physics, their drone tech, their satellites, their avionics. If this country was not under sanctions, this would be a bona fide superpower of Asia, bona fide superpower. It would be the equivalent of maybe like a United Kingdom or a smaller sort of superpower within Central Asia and the Middle East. But even under sanctions, they're still demonstrating that they are a superpower. They've achieved some level of deterrence against an overwhelmingly superior, two superior adversaries, with no assistance from anybody, pretty much. So that's something. Historically, that is something. But does that mean there's not going to be pain and suffering for them in the short term? And does that mean the U.S. and Israel are not going to stop hitting them with every last bomb they have? No, they're going to be the U.S. and Israel are going to unload their arsenals on Iran in the hopes that that they will surrender or that they'll be destroyed or the regime will be defeated. And guess what? If if it's not, then Iran will emerge as the de facto winner of this. Even taking all of the losses, Iran will emerge as the winner because the winner will be judged by what the pecking order was before the war. In other words, if the U.S. is up here and Iran is down here and say Israel's up here, if after the war it becomes this, then you can judge relatively who won by the change in the global pecking order in terms of reverence, respect, and which country has the best prospects for future coalitions with other countries, mid-tier powers, China, Russia. And then Iran will be considered the winner because they'll have a net gain. And America will be a net loss. Israel will be a net loss. So they might be able to kill 100,000 Iranians and drop a couple of tactical nuclear weapons and obliterate a few cities. And trust me, I would not rule that out. when you're talking about these demons in Washington and Tel Aviv. However, that does not guarantee them victory, unfortunately, for them. So that's something to think about. Let's wrap up with this. You were talking about the technology of the Iranian regime. We've seen some of the hypersonic missiles that are very impressive and unusual. but we've got a different technological group in silicon valley who have entered the fray here and now we're into the new era of warfare which involves palantir and so we saw what happened with the targeting of gaza the social credit scores essentially put on buildings in terms of ranking them with lavender and and these programs that they have what's the what's the future of what what does world war three against iran look like in a palantir world do we yeah and that would be the second and third wave of this war uh later because i don't think it will end with this particular conflict that we're witnessing now this phase is not going to be the end And through what the Palantir's world is, Alex Karp's version of the world, Elon Musk, Palmer Lucky, and all these self-appointed guardians of humanity or inhumanity, Their view of the world is an autonomous AI swarming constellation of autonomous AI drones, missiles, all sorts of cyber attacks, subterfuge, relentless, automated. So the problem with this is any government can be capitated. You could render any government, you can immobilize any government, no matter how big the nuclear arsenal is. If you overwhelm them with swarming, you then can, it'd be very difficult to withstand. Whoever would have the advantage in the short term, I mean, eventually, if they weren't successful, the other side could come up with countermeasures with electronic warfare and other sort of countermeasures. countermeasures. But invariably, if this happens between nuclear powers, in other words, if, let's say the US is getting so bolshy with their AI, autonomous tech or Israel, that they are deploying it to try to decapitate the Kremlin in Russia, or the Chinese government or another nuclear power, if you're doing that with conventional AI tech, and I want to say it's conventional at this point, because autonomous AI, which can't be jammed by GPS, in other words, it's sent on its own mission okay and you're using that in thousands and swarming um the nuclear power sensing an existential threat has only one choice at that point and that's to launch uh intercontinental uh strategic nuclear weapons so the irony is charlie that ai even though it's quote, a conventional tech, if it's pushed to its maximum in terms of autonomous AI and swarming and Palantir-powered decision-making, it is going to end in a thermonuclear war. The likelihood is more than high because you're leaving countries with no other choice, which is to existential survival or just basically surrender at that point. and uh you know who's willing to roll those dice you know some people are alex carp's happy to roll that dice because he's a psychopath he he's he's given up on humanity his him elon musk their future is is robots synthetic uh you know girlfriends and uh virtual worlds and you know living on mars under tunnels like that's their compelling future for humanity and and just them and people like them and people who look like them and think like them and everyone else is if they're not willing to work as slaves in the cobalt mines then they really have no point on the planet you know that's that's their compelling future uh for for for humanity and um and i just see that as the logical conclusion to this with this where this ai madness is taking it will upend civilization for western civilization and it will ultimately upend humanity i i firmly believe it i don't see any other positive outcome unless it's somehow collectively humanity can pull pull this back into some place where it can be regulated or controlled but what's the benefit of it is it Making our lives, you know, having one million AI drone swarms with, you know, super explosive tips, spears and running kill apps and all that. How is that making our lives better? Is it protecting us from terrorism or is it what delivering our packages 10 minutes faster than normal? or like what is the actual benefit of any of this stuff other than the people that are producing it and are strong-arming our governments to pay for it and using our money at the end of the day to pay for it. Where's the benefit for humanity? I personally don't see any benefit at all, at all. Call me a Luddite. I don't care. Where's the benefit? I know. The Amish had it right. We owe the Amish a big apology. Not that they'd be watching this episode, of course. The Amish are the most based people on the planet right now. And I think there's going to be a lot of appeal to go that route. You know, the Mennonites and the Amish, I mean, they definitely got it right. What's on the agenda for 21st Century Wire moving forward this year? What do you guys have planned besides doing outstanding reporting on the Epstein situation, by the way? I must say that you and Freddie Ponton have been putting out. I just keep thinking that's the last one. And then there's another one. Then there's another one. So what do you guys have planned for this year? Our mission is, and thank you for asking that question, Charlie. And I've been working really hard. It's been very difficult to come back from all the censorship and the cancellation over the COVID era. It made us invisible for the most part. And I've had to we had to fight back physically by literally having mailing lists to contact people to share and like and subscribe our YouTube channel. We're physically doing that. We're not getting anything from YouTube. We're doing it all by hand. And but it's starting to pay off. And, you know, I'm great, great that I'm able to work with such great talent and Freddie being a tremendous journalistic talent. literally you can't teach I've worked with many journalists before and there's some things you just can't teach so you have to have an instinct you have to have a nose to know where to look to put the story and Freddie has that like natural talent and I'm a very a great experience to be able to teamwork stories with him as well, that's another rare talent so we're just going to keep following what we think are the emerging important stories and we're going to produce reports that have the most impact that we think is going to intervene in the narrative. So I look at my philosophy as Charlie, I look at the narrative like this kind of blob, and I see it coming. And my job, our job, as a battleship and the ragtag fleet of the Rebel Alliance is to look for that six-foot-by-six-foot opening, identify it, and then we just unload. And we keep going. And we'll unload for weeks. on the same target until it breaks and when we see it breaking on on social media and online and people talking about it on big shows and we're like okay damage is done we'll move on we're going to look for the next one and that's what we're able to do as a small media outlet that maybe a big institution um can't do because they're having to deal with the weather the court reporting the local uh child abduction story and the local water controversy and the local corruption and this and that, that we don't have to cover, we're not obligated to cover all of those things that a mainstream media outlet has to cover because that's part of their charter. We can focus on what we think are the important political and geopolitical points. And literally, I just follow my personal interest. And that's always been my role. And Freddie and the other writers that we have, they're pretty much the same. And I encourage them just to follow their interest. So I only select people that I work with that I know have an interesting worldview, and they see the world in an interesting way. And I know if that's the case, then they're always going to come up with very interesting things to share and talk about. And then we're able to feed those stories into our podcast or the Sunday Wire and into our other endeavors and onto interviews like this with great shows like yours, Charlie. and that's how we see our role in the alternative media at the moment and we're just going to expand on and do more of it and try to double up our input by the end of the year. So what we have now we would like to double by the end of the year and then launch a couple of new shows as well before the end of the year. It would have been done already, but I'm too busy actually reporting and then doing a lot of interviews and also running the website and stuff like that. But little by little, I always want to keep it sustainable and growing at a pace that we can manage and that financially we can afford to maintain, even in lean times. And that's the important part. And that's why we've been able to sustain our output since 2009, late 2009, when I started the first blog, 21st Century Wire. But I think now this is going to be a big springboard year. We had a really good winter fundraising drive, and we managed to secure a lot of our budget for the coming year. So that's, I mean, I've never been so confident than this year in terms of like being able to actually do certain things in the coming year that are going to make a difference. And so that's what we're going to do this year. Well, I'll wrap up this episode the way I started my introduction of you to the stage in Mexico. You guys want to see what a real journalist looks like? That's Patrick Henningsen, everybody. Go check out 21st Century Wire. Go set that as a bookmark. 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