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This is Deep State Radio, coming to you direct from our super-secret studio in the third sub-basement of the Ministry of SNARK in Washington, D.C., and from other undisclosed locations across America and around the world. Hello and welcome to DSR's Words Matter. I'm here with a special edition since we have breaking news we want to talk about. And of course, I am joined, as always, by the Oracle of Washington, Norm Arnstein. How are you doing, Norm? Well, I'm feeling a touch better with this Supreme Court decision, feeling a lot worse with the new iteration of the so-called SAVE Act, which has gotten dramatically worse. So about the same, I guess you could say, David. Well, let's start with the Supreme Court decision because, Because this is the first time that this court has, in a serious way, said, sorry, Mr. President, your powers are limited. And of course, it's consequential for that, but it's also consequential because Trump was using this imagined authority to impose tariffs on the world as a centerpiece for all of his foreign policy. a lot of his economic policy. He was wielding at a cudgel in every meeting. He essentially destroyed relationships for the U.S. around the planet, undermined the international trading system, created billions and billions and billions of costs for Americans, for American companies. and he did it while every legal indicator, every sensible lawyer said that not only were these tariffs illegal, they're illegal in several ways. Now, as you know, I don't bring this up much, but for the purposes of this special conversation, I will. I was a trade official in the U.S. government and I ran the International Trade Administration. And when I started hearing about these tariffs, I said, well, these are illegal in a few ways. One, the Constitution doesn't give the president the power to do this, gives the Congress the power to do it. Two, there are a lot of laws written about what can and can't be done. And in this particular case, he was taking one of these laws, IEPA, and totally misapplying it. Three, regardless of the prior two, we signed a lot of international treaties, which have the power of law regarding trade, which he just broke in a willy-nilly fashion. So there was not one, not two, not three legal reasons he couldn't do it. And then, of course, there is tradition and also common sense. And he ignored all of them. And so to me, it's one of the most reckless acts of a president that I can think of, because now, you know, it's all got to be undone. But, you know, it was also a grotesque abuse of power that your friends in the Congress chose not to defend themselves against. And it took the Supreme Court to stand up for the Congress when the Congress wouldn't. That is a perfect recap of all of this in my role as the glass half empty guy. Let us note, however, that despite everything you have said, which is spot on, three Supreme Court justices dissented and basically said, it doesn't matter what the law says. It doesn't matter what the Constitution says. He can do whatever he wants. And those three include the two that you would always suspect, the two most partisan and corrupt justices, perhaps in the history of the country, Sam Alito and Clarence Thomas, but also the third stooge now, Brett Kavanaugh. The same Brett Kavanaugh who, of course, said, hey, you want to stop somebody on the street, beat the crap out of them because you think they look Hispanic, that's okay because, you know, they'll just let you go anyhow once they find out that you're not an undocumented person. So we're still dealing with a Supreme Court that teeters on the edge of utter illegitimacy. And this court actually divided three, three, and three in some ways, but fortunately six of them understood that this was a bridge so far, so too far away from the law and the tradition of the country. And I suspect a little bit of it might have been, let's save Donald Trump from himself because he's sending us into an economic abyss. Now, the other part of this, of course, is that with Trump having used the tariffs to wipe out our national debt, we're going to have to give all that money back. Yeah, that's right. And, you know, frankly, I think he should be personally liable for it since it was so egregious what he did, but he won't be. He'll just have the Treasury Department do it and we will pay, you know, for these things kind of twice. But, you know, there was something in the decision that was kind of interesting because the White House expected this, and they thought, well, okay, we won't use this authority. We will use these other authorities. And the Supreme Court anticipated this in the decision and said, you know, this is a power that resides with Congress, and Congress has to know what's going on in approval. And, you know, I think for Trump that that's going to be a bit of a curveball, because I think they thought, well, we'll just go to Section 301 or 201 or whatever, you know, and find a new way to do this. And I don't think they're going to be able to do that. But I also think it's a curveball, going back to your friends on the Hill, because there are going to be enough Republicans who don't want to impose these things because of implications for their district, because of implications for costs, because of opposition to the idea of meddling with trade this way or whatever, that it's going to be very hard for Trump to just sort of go back in and say, yeah, you know, those 80 different things that I wanted to do, let's just do those again. I don't think that's going to happen. And I think it's going to, you know, sort of in this case, it's going to be much harder for Trump to get back to where he want it to be than he thought it was going to be. And I think the heroes of that battle are going to be a bunch of Republicans who are worried about their jobs. I agree with that, with one small caveat that concerns me, which is the way in which the reconciliation process gets used. This, as I'm sure most of our listeners and viewers know, is this budget process put in effect in 1975, 1974, in the Budget and Impoundment Control Act that has been used to jam through ginormous tax cuts. It was also used for the Affordable Care Act because it is the only thing that basically moves past a filibuster and can't be delayed. It's on an expedited process, and it only requires majority votes in both houses. This enables you to increase revenues in different ways. And it wouldn't surprise me that Trump will now try to basically bludgeon the Republicans in the Senate, who we know include at least 50 lickspittles, to give him authority, and which would be completely contrary to the Constitution. So we're not completely out of the woods yet with this. But as a larger matter, and that's not going to happen for quite a while, I think, this is a huge wrench for him. And you're right. It not only means that there are going to be Republicans who don't want to do this, but there'll be a tremendous amount of pressure on some of them up for re-election, who are either going to have to vote with their farmers or vote with their manufacturers or vote with their dear leader. And, you know, thoughts and prayers to them. To stay up to date on all the news that you need to know, there's no better place than right here on the DSR Network. And there's no better way to enjoy the DSR Network than by becoming a member. 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But just bear with me, as it should be here, the Congress now has to own whatever tariffs happen. For the past year and a half, they go, well, I don't know, you know, Trump is doing this. These are Trump's tariffs. They go to their district while the president has done it. Now, if they get involved in that, you know, whether it's by reconciliation or anything else, everybody who's running against them is going to go, oh, did you see they voted? They voted to make it harder for you to sell your products, or they voted for higher costs for you, or they voted, you know, et cetera, et cetera. I just think that's a complication in an election year that's tough. And of course, if the Democrats somehow, you know, win one or two houses in November, this is a dead letter. This is over for Trump, this particular power grab. That is exactly right. And I think that's a very key point, that he's got trouble even with a Republican House and Senate, but it's completely gone if it's a Democratic Senate. And we know that this was not just about tariffs, as you said at the beginning. It was about Trump's way of trying to use his bully tactics and power to punish other countries and force them to do things that he wanted them to do or to offer him unstinting praise. And he has lost a major weapon in his goal of being the bully of the Western world, of the world. And that's another positive out of all of this, besides the relief to American consumers. Yeah, no, I mean, let me find the cloud around that silver lining. But I think that one of the things that's, it's got to be a bad day for Trump, but I'm really sorry. And it's a good thing that all that gold around the Oval Office will wipe clean of ketchup really easily because he's undoubtedly going to have tantrums and couldn't happen to a nicer guy. But it does suggest that there's this kind of struggle going on between Trump's desire to assert unfettered power as a king or an emperor and the guardrails that still exist. Now, the Supreme Court really wasn't a particularly effective guardrail until now, and undoubtedly we're going to have some voting rights cases a little later in the year, where they're going to not be a guardrail. And the Congress hasn't been one. But there have been a few. There have been a few places in this particular case with our allies in Europe saying, no, sorry, we're not playing anymore. If you go after us, we're going to go after you. With the British just this week saying, no, you can't use us to launch attacks on Iran. We're not going to go along with that. And so, you know, you've got Trump putting up banners like he's Kim Jong-un all over town on the Department of Justice and, you know, putting, you know, strange committees together to approve his building plans that consist of, you know, 26-year-old former secretaries just so they'll say yes. But there are a few guardrails, including a couple of Republicans in the House who pushed for Epstein, some states that are sort of holding the line. And I think, you know, the battle is not resolved yet. And, you know, this is an opportunity to talk about the SAVE Act, because obviously, if Trump can rig the next election, some of those guardrails are going to go away. So it's a kind of a precarious balance at the moment. And, you know, what we do next is going to matter a lot. It certainly is. And this is where we've known that as Trump's approval has declined, his instinct is not to alter his policies where most Americans, including Republicans, are unhappy, but to double down and then use whatever jackboot authoritarian tools he has available to him to tilt the process so that he can stay in power no matter what. And that includes using intimidation of Republicans in Congress who might think about pushing back a little bit. Right now, we know that there are a number of things that have happened that are very worrisome about the elections. But the most worrisome to me is one that is looming out there with Congress. It is a bill called the Save Act, which passed the House just recently. It cannot get through the Senate without changing their rules, the filibuster rule. But it's been portrayed and continues to be portrayed by Republicans as a voter ID bill. That was a lie to begin with. This is not about providing any kind of ID to show you are who you are. It started by saying you need to have proof of citizenship and everybody is going to have to go back and re-register to vote, providing proof of citizenship, which comes in one of three forms, an original embossed birth certificate, a passport, or a passport card. The passport card is one that you use just to go to Canada or Mexico. The problem with that is, first, most people don't have a birth certificate anymore, couldn't find one or may not even be able to get one. And the one that people have, if it's not an original or has been basically embossed as an original, isn't going to count under this bill. The second is to get one, you have to pay money and that can be maybe $40. To get a passport starts at $165. Then you have to get photos, It's another 20. You have to travel. And they've just taken away the ability to get a passport application done in a library. You have to go to a passport office, which is a big distance for most Americans, especially those in rural or small town areas. That means probably $200 or more. So it's a poll tax. A passport card, $65. To get one, you need a birth certificate to show that you're an American. So it's voter suppression at that level. Okay, that's horrible and unconstitutional because the constitution in the 24th amendment said no poll taxes, no cost to vote at the federal level. And then the Supreme court extended that to state local elections, but they've added a new set of provisions under the table that nobody on the Republican side is willing to talk about, which says that states are going to have to turn over their voter registration rolls, sensitive voter information, to the federal government, and then are going to be required to use the federal government's process for purging voters who they say are illegitimate. Except we know that it is wildly inaccurate and thousands, if not millions, of eligible voters will be unlawfully taken off the voter registration rolls, and then they'll have to go through hoops if they want to get back on. And this bill says if you're an election official, and even if you had nothing to do with it, but somebody who is not eligible votes, you can be held criminally liable. So they want to intimidate local election officials. This is what is in their so-called SAVE Act. And the press corps has largely ignored it or shrugged about it. And Democrats have not done what they need to do to call the alarm on this because this is a code blue for our democratic political system. And it has 50 senators already supporting it, including Susan Collins, who continues in far too many places to be identified as a moderate. She is nothing but a card-carrying member of the cult. And we need to get the word out there and make sure that they do not have the ability to change their rules, eliminate the filibuster, even if they say it's a one-shot thing, even if they try to do it in some underhanded fashion. That would be the death knell to our ability to have a check and balance in this system. Well, yeah, except for the lawsuits that will follow, because as you say, if this implies a cost to voting, it does become unconstitutional. And I think this argument, which I believe you made in a column that you did for the contrarian, which I think people should go and read, is an important one. To give people a sense of the scope, something like 9 or 10 percent of the American people don't have proof of citizenship. So it's a very substantial number of potential voters, tens of millions of potential voters. Only half of Americans have a passport. So, you know, that's another issue. People have talked about the issue about if you're married and you change your name and your passport doesn't match or your birth certificate doesn't match with your name, you know, that creates other problems specifically for women. But I think this point about the voter rolls is also profoundly pernicious. And it is another power grab, very much akin to the power grab that has just been struck down by the Supreme Court, because Trump wants the federal government, his federal government, to control elections. And the Constitution's pretty clear on that too, isn't it? It certainly is And of course you know the hypocrisy here there hypocrisy in every element of everything that they doing Almost everything that they say in criticism of the other side is projection It what they do They think that the First and Second and Fourth and Tenth Amendments apply to them and their allies, but not to anybody else. Excuse me. But this is taking away from the states the ability to run their own elections. And we know along with that, we can hearken back to something we've talked about before and should talk about again, which is this move to seize the ballots from the 2020 election in Georgia with Tulsi Gabbard, the head of national intelligence, illegitimately there as they did so on the pretext that the votes were stolen, you know, save act aside, that they're going to try and send FBI agents and others to seize ballots in places where they don't like what's likely to be the outcome. And we need governors in blue states especially. And we need officials in blue counties to make sure that they protect their own polling places. Governors need to be ready to activate their state national guards to protect their polling places and the vote count against their own government. How chilling is that? Starting a business can be overwhelming. 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And, you know, I guess the average person listening to this conversation is like, well, what does one of these things have to do with the other? And I think the point is we are at a tipping point in the United States. We have seen what is broken. We have seen who is trying to break it. We have seen where our institutions have held up. But we also see the efforts to continue to erode the foundations of our democracy and the rule of law in the United States, led by our president, but followed by people in the Congress, across the country, appointed Trump judges, other kinds of people. And so we don't know where things are going. The only reason for Susan Collins to support this is she knows that if she doesn't, she's going to lose her job this year. You know, probably Janet Mills will become the next senator from Maine. And, you know, there are a lot of other people who might be motivated to do this. I sort of ask myself, I mean, you only do this to make sure that there's never a democratic administration again. You got to wonder how they'd feel about these powers if they were in the hands of the Gavin Newsom or AOC administration. They're not even thinking about that. And the reason is that they believe they can use these tactics to stay in power forever. Now, you know, just to shift a moment to an ancillary but relevant topic. The other element of all of this across the administration is the open and naked corruption and the willingness to leech off taxpayers for their own creature comforts, the corruption that is just so rampant, and the unwillingness to do anything to police their own. Let me start with Kristi Noem flaunting her affair with her thuggish employee, Corey Lewandowski, and now $70 million to create a plane, which they say is for deportation purposes. That's quite a deportation when you're taking a plane set out to look like a billionaire's fantasy aircraft with a posh bedroom and a double bed, a bar and a beautiful luxurious CD. Sounds good. Deport me on that. I'm ready to sign up for deportation. Even as she sends people illegally to a country they've never been to, Cameroon, as we throw taxpayer dollars at them. Let's turn to Howard Lutnick, Nutlick as I always call him, who has proven to be so corrupt and things that did not come out in his confirmation hearing. This is a man who ran Cantor Fitzgerald, a financial firm that lost a large share of its employees in 9-11. He wasn't there, Howard Lutnick at the time. He said he was taking his daughter to the first day of school, which turned out to have been the previous week. But then he cried on television and took the money that was given to the families of the survivors and turned it over to himself and his family. This is a man whose corruption knows no limits. Yeah. And by the way, I just want to say, in the Epstein files, there is confirmation after confirmation of his corruption, of the accusations of defrauding people, of the accusations of screwing over his own employees, of the accusations of his doing money laundering for the Russians. Oh, my God, the Russians again? Of the accusation that, not accusation, but fact that he bought the house next door to Jeffrey Epstein for 10 bucks. In other words, Howard Lutnick is the nadir of corruption in any other administration except this one. Because in this one, you've got Trump, $5 billion cashing in, his sons cashing in, Withcoff, his sons cashing in. Oh yeah, Lutnik's sons are cashing in on all of this. This is, I mean, there are crime families that will study this administration in future years as a case study on how to do it better. Because they are, you know, this is industrial scale corruption being perpetrated. I don't know if any country has ever seen it at this, maybe Russia, maybe Putin's Russia sees it at this level. And of course, nobody is punished, fired, reprimanded. Now we have another story, the labor secretary who has been conducting an affair with an employee, having alcohol-fueled wild parties at the labor department. And now her husband caught on tape sexually assaulting employees in the labor department building and crickets, nothing happens. So we've got all of that. We have Kash Patel spending roughly $75,000 of taxpayer money to take his FBI jet to the Olympics because he's a hockey fan. Does this have anything to do with the official responsibilities of the FBI? No, it doesn't. And even where ethics rules say, okay, for security purposes, if you're going to take that plane, you have to reimburse for the amount that it would cost if you were chartering a private plane to go to a particular place. Will he pay a dime? Of course not. The level of corruption, of the willingness of people who talk about the waste in government, throwing away our money for their own outrageous creature comforts is absolutely unprecedented. And there isn't one person who is able to deal with the ethical ramifications of this and hold anybody accountable. It's a lawless administration in a way we have never seen even close before. Yeah, no, absolutely true. And I'm really glad you brought out the fact that Kash Patel, who's terrible, is a hockey fan because our producer, Joe, is a hockey fanatic. And I want him to be aware that it doesn't reflect well on him. Although I thought the win of the American women yesterday was pretty inspiring. That was quite something. Let me go to two more things here briefly. One will tie back to what you were just talking about. But as we go through the year ahead and as we go through to these elections, there has been a desperate effort on the part of Donald Trump to say, please make the Epstein story go away. And, you know, every single week, in fact, most days of every single week, something comes up that says, oh, no, that's not going away. And this week, you know, yesterday, that became most clear when the former Prince Andrew, Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor, was arrested by the British government for his involvement in the Epstein case. And it's just one of multiple. There are three people in the Starmer government who are implicated in this, who are in trouble. There's several people in the Norwegian government, including a Norwegian royal, who's implicated in this. There's a guy in the Middle East who just lost his job because of the surolatum. This is not going away. Even as Trump wanly yesterday said, oh, yeah, I'm an expert because I've been exonerated. You know, every day new files come out that say the opposite. In fact, there is sworn testimony in the Epstein files that says Donald Trump raped young women, girls and threatened to kill them I mean that the opposite of exonerated in my book But there is a point beyond the hideousness of all of this and the fact that this dovetails with the corruption that you talking about that's relevant. If Andrew goes to trial, if the Andrew investigation continues, if other cases like this happen, they're going to take us through the rest of this year. Epstein is going to be a major figure in the 2026 elections. And the Republicans who wanted to go away, you know, including the pathetic Republicans on the House Oversight Committee who couldn't find it in themselves to get on a plane and participate in the deposition of, you know, Jeffrey Epstein's angel of his sponsor, Les Wexner, yesterday, they are part of this cover-up. But Epstein, my own advice is, however distasteful you find the Epstein story, get used to it, because this is the Trump-Epstein scandal, and there is no end in sight. And I was just wondering what you thought the implications of that are. So I think you're absolutely right. But what we also know is that this is even more terrifying, far more terrifying than most of the stories have suggested. There have likely been murders here. We have some credible evidence suggesting that two young women were strangled to death during rough sex, buried perhaps on the Epstein ranch in New Mexico, purchased by a Trumpist radical running for office in Texas, who says he's turning it into a religious retreat and won't allow anybody to search the grounds for possible bodies. We know that we had Trump threatening a young woman. We know that they've released 3,000 pages, which is a drop in the bucket of all of the Epstein materials out there, including what we know are videos, cameras all over the Epstein mansions, none of which has been seen. And we see that this gang that can't shoot straight in the Justice Department desperately trying to find where there's incriminating files that they've inadvertently released to erase them from the files. Fortunately, we have enterprising people out there who are taking screenshots of these and showing them, including one picture, really disturbing picture, of what appears to be a very small girl, perhaps seven, eight, nine years old, standing right up against the genitals of a much older man. We don't know who it is. They blocked out the pictures so you can't tell. one of far too many. We know reports of nine-year-old girls. We know that they have these files, emails from somebody saying, oh, I found a Lolita here. What have they redacted? The name of the perpetrator. So the longer this goes on, even with what they've released, even though they're now lying. Todd Blanche, the liar in chief here and obstructionist in chief, saying we've released everything. And Pam Bondi doing the same. They cannot get away from this. This is Lady Macbeth's out damn spot. And that spot ain't going away. No, it's true because, you know, what's going to happen is people, you know, members of Congress are going to sue them for the other things. And they're going to have to prove that there is a reason to withhold them or a reason to redact, and they're not going to be able to do that. There aren't any ongoing investigations. Lord knows, somebody somewhere, and I don't make accusations like this lightly, but somebody somewhere in the FBI or in the Department of Justice destroyed some of these files. And that's going to come out. We have seen new evidence emerge around the very suspicious death of Jeffrey Epstein. I was talking to somebody yesterday about Jolene Maxwell. You know, her father died, who was tied in with the Mossad and some others, under suspicious circumstances. Her best buddy, Jeffrey Epstein, died under suspicious circumstances. This French modeling agency guy who was part of this whole plot died, allegedly, of suicide, as well as some of the other participants. You know, she knows her choice is silence or death. And on top of all of this, you know, in the past week, we've also had some new revelations about a character whose name ought to be brought up more in this. And that's Bill Barr, the former attorney general, whose father was the first person to hire Jeffrey Epstein when he ran the Dalton School. Bill Barr was the last official to see Jeffrey Epstein before he died. And now we know that Bill Barr was present on Epstein properties while young girls were being abused. No allegation that he participated in that. But why isn't he being brought in to testify when, of course, they're seeking testimony from Hillary Clinton, who literally has nothing to do with this and had no contact with it at all? So I just, you know, not only is this not going to go away, it's going to intensify. And I think, you know, that's going to create urgency around the SAVE Act. I think, you know, what we're looking at is a kind of a duality in this country of if democracy is allowed to go its course, these guys are done and they're going to jail. And these people know it. And they're going to say, well, then democracy can't go and run its course. So having said that, I'm a strong believer that we should strike a deal with Kalshi so that people could bet based on what we say here. Because, you know, we're always right, but we don't have such a deal. So people are going to have to do this on their own. But when I was listening to you talk about the Secretary of Labor and I was listening to the discussion of Lutnik and I was listening to comments about Kristi Noem and I was thinking about election years and I was thinking about how few tools Trump is really going to have and the pressure he's going to be under, I bet that before the election, several members of this cabinet go. And I think those three may be at the top of the list. And I just thought, you know, what do you think, Norm? Your lips to God's ear, as they say. You know, there isn't a single member of this cabinet who should be in the office of which they are. But I do think at some point, Trump, desperate because the Epstein stuff is not going away. And even though Todd Blanch said that he's withholding any of the terrible things about murders, violence, and the like that are in the files, because he wants to protect the public. And we know, of course, the first things that ought to be out there are the crimes that were committed as a part of this. And we know that Julie K. Brown, who is the reporter from the Miami Herald, who has been the hero in all of this, said that she does not believe Epstein died of suicide. With all of that, I think Trump is going to be desperate to find some way to divert attention. That will not only include wars and military actions, but I think you're right. Purging some of his own forces and trying to change the narrative by saying he's doing a reset of his administration. I think, no, I think it's going to be, he's going to be increasingly desperate. I think he's pretty desperate now. I think he's going to be increasingly desperate. And I think, you know, we're going to have to watch this carefully. I am the most skeptical anti-conspiracy theory person you will ever meet. Anytime something comes up, but I just don't, it's impossible not to ask questions around the death of Jeffrey Epstein. Impossible at this point. Yeah, especially because we know that his lawyers had talked to him the previous day about how they were trying to work out some kind of a plea deal. There is no reason to believe that he was ready to die because he was in such desperate straits. This is highly suspicious. And of course, the fact that the cameras were off, the guards who were supposed to be there were away, that the security cameras around the whole area somehow were not working. So we have no idea who was coming and going on that particular day. None of this adds up. Yeah. And by the way, we haven't mentioned, although a little bit earlier with Lutnik, the deep involvement of two, probably, of the more notorious intelligence services in the world, the Russians and the Israelis, and the deep involvement of Russians and Israelis throughout this whole thing. So I don't know. I don't know. There's a lot more to come on this story. But to conclude, we have to cast this on the side of the things adding pressure on Trump and the Supreme Court ruling is one of those things. And therefore, their desperation and the SAVE Act and war against Iran and a whole bunch of other things are going to be signs of that desperation, including maybe, you know, a little house cleaning in the Trump administration. Of course, needless to say, whoever replaces these people will be worse. Anyway, it's good to talk to you again, Norm. And I started out thinking today was a good day because it's a Supreme Court ruling, and you have convinced me it's not. So thanks a lot. I knew I could count on you. Go back to that ray of sunshine, David. Yeah, there was one moment, one moment. There was one moment. Anyway, all right, everybody. We'll be back next week. And so will all our other podcasts. And if you haven't subscribed to watch us on YouTube, go subscribe to watch us on YouTube. 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