Jon Hamm

Hello, everyone. Welcome to another episode of Good Hang. We have our old, dear, wonderful friend, John Ham, joining us today. And we are so excited to have Ham Bones here today. We are going to talk about so much good stuff. We're going to talk about auditioning. We're going to talk about the best position in baseball. We're going to talk about Bad Bunny. We're going to talk about what he thinks Don Draper would be doing now. And we're going to talk about season two of his hit Apple show, Your Friends and Neighbors. John is just such a dear tenderoni underneath all that Superman muscle. And so we're going to get into it today. But we're going to start our episodes like we always do by talking to somebody who knows John. And we've got a great one today. We have Roger Sterling himself. John Slattery, an incredible actor, director, writer, wonderful person who is kind of one of John's chosen brothers. So let's see what he has to say and get him on Zoom. Hi, Slattery. 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Although, I mean, not just him, I think everybody had, despite their wrongheadedness or whatever moment, like just when you thought, well, this is just somebody who thinks like this, they're do something incredibly human or funny or touching or whatever. I mean, he's, you know, that thing, all those characters had that. Okay. So did you and Ham know each other before you worked on Mad Men? Uh-uh. And when? I auditioned for his part. And they said, and I remember calling, I called my agent back and was like, are you sure this is the part? Because, you know, I was beyond that age. And they were like, that's what they want. So I did all my homework and went in and read and then Matt and Alan Taylor were there. And then they said, okay, so here's the thing. We already have this guy. And I said, excuse me. And they said, well, your part isn't really visible so much in the first episode. So there wasn't much for you to read. We didn't think you'd come in. And I was a little like, and then, you know, he said, but I promise you this will be a great part. So then I met him and I was like, oh, shit, you know, well, they certainly do have that guy. Like I realized, you know, that's what that guy looks like, of course. And then day one, he just sent me a picture the other night, two nights ago of his TV, somewhere where he was. And it was him at the desk and me sitting across with a drink. And I said, and I could tell from the suit and like my hair was diff something. And I said, is that day one? And he said, yeah. No way. Yeah. I mean, what's so satisfying about your relationship from afar is that the relationship you had on the show felt very brotherly. It really felt like big brother, little brother energy. And is your relationship like that too? It feels like it. I think our relationship is more sort of equal. Like our age doesn't really come into it so much. And also he's such a competent person. It isn't like I have anything to teach him. It's often the other way I was thinking about. Like, well, what would I ask him? And it was, who does he look to for answers? Because sometimes I actually think, what would him do? Like in a certain situation or whatever, because he just is, you know, he is good at most everything he puts his hand to and smart and accomplished all that stuff. And he kind of so. So our relationship was more just kind of, you know, brotherly, but not like a older, younger, like it is in the show. What do you think makes John so competent in your words? Like so good at so many things. You know, you have to be smart emotionally to be that funny. And as you know, you know, you have to be observant and you have to listen and you have to. So all that stuff goes into being good at very different things. I mean, it makes sense that he's as good at drama as he is at comedy, because it's something that he's paid attention to for a long time. I mean, when I was a kid, I couldn't, I would stand in front of the television. I wouldn't even sit down. I would just stand there with a clicker and go from Oscar Madison to Derek Jacobi to, you know, just get a chunk and then like go to get another one and see what I just get a piece of this and a piece of that when it got slow or commercial, I go off to some other, you know, just like just a, you know, a sieve open just just wanting to, I don't know why. I don't know what it was, but I just like wanting to absorb everything. Wow. That's such an interesting and true observation is that when I watched TV, I watched it like what I imagine athletes do when they watch sports, where they're watching for, you know, same, I watched performances unconsciously or subconsciously to get an idea of how to do it. My mother was a big movie fan. My dad was too, but my mother would, she'd go, come in here if you watch this and I'd have my coat on on my way out. I was like in high school or whatever. And she'd go, you come and watch, you have to watch this. And I sunset Boulevard or whatever. Some, and I got, I have to go. She'd go, just five minutes, just watch. And then an hour and 20 minutes later, I'd be sitting on the couch with my coat on next to her watching movie. I said, I watched at her funeral. I was saying, I watched more movies with my coat on because I was just, you know, sucked in. Yeah. Yeah. Well, Slattery, I love seeing you. I'm, I'm, you too. I hope we get to hang out in some real way again. We got to be on a, we got to do a couple of scenes together once on a silly show called Wet Hot American Summer in, on Netflix. We got to perform together and it was really fun. So I hope we get to do something again someday soon. Me too. You know, I remember being so impressed that the difference between my own ability to sort of improvise and yours, which was like, oh, that's how that's a person who knows how to improvise on story, like not just dive, divert and use some nugget that you have saved up or something, but like that you could do stuff that had to do with the actual action of the scene. And I was just sort of you and John early. I was watching this thing and I was thinking, man, these people are, this is, this is, this is different. Well, when you don't quote, remember your lines, you have to, you have to have a trick. Yeah. You know, you have to, you have to be like, look over there. Well, Slaughter, I love you. Love seeing you. Give lots of love to Talia. Please give her my love. Will do. And thank you so much for this. And I'm sure Ham will be so happy that we talked. Have fun saying, have fun. Thank you so much. Okay. Talk to you soon. Bye. All right. Listen up. 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Welcome to the first. John Hamm is here. Hi, John Hamm. Hi. Oh my God. Okay. First of all, I'm so deeply, deeply happy to see you. Same buddy. Same. It's been way too long. Yeah. I haven't seen you forever. Yeah. But I've been watching your podcast as I do for all my friends, but you, I just love what you've done with the place and this. Thank you. I was doing with Nick Offerman a million years ago, Smart Girls with the Party. And I knew then that you had your finger on the pulse of something very, very special and cool. And I'm glad that this is the further extension of that because it makes me very happy for you. Thank you for saying that. God, you've done so many favors for me. But you did a, you and Nick and a bunch of people did a. I made you have a baby. That's like. We have so much to talk about. I was literally was not pregnant when the week started. That was crazy. And by the end. That was crazy. Having a baby. Well, and also, you know, what's amazing about that is that there is a physical marker of that time. I know. And it like we have known each other now for we're getting up on the 20 years, 20 years, which is. Seems crazy. It seems impossible. It does. Everything that I think is 10 years now is 20 years. No. Yeah. Pandemic really threw a whole weird thing in that. In the 80s to us or the 80s to our kids or what the 20s were to us. Exactly. They're like, oh, the roaring 80s when everybody wore tuxedos. But I want to start John Hamm. The last time we saw you, you were getting on a hot air balloon on this podcast. Yes, I was I was on it. There was a lot of shooting on hot air. Made us rest. And I hope you heard both the Adam Scott and Paul Red episode because we talked about you a lot. And you know, we have talked about you on this podcast and that like early group being of guys. And it does feel very fun and magical to talk about it, not only because everybody was young and like just beginning, but it is kind of wild that you all met. Yeah, it's crazy. I mean, it's absolutely crazy through Paul. Honestly, here's how it's tell us the how all the Avengers assembled. Truly at this point. Paul went to Paul is an Avenger. Ant-Man. OK, that's an Avenger. Apparently. Yeah. If you ask him what what are you so mad? I'm so angry. Because you have superpowers. You got a shitty superpower. You turn into ants. What the come on. Come on, dude. Wrap it up. You did it. Grow up. Literally. Ant-Man. The next movie is growing. Grow up, Ant-Man. OK. Anyways, Paul is from Kansas City, Missouri. Yeah. I am from St. Louis, Missouri. Right. Paul went to the University of Kansas. My dear friend Preston Clark was his roommate freshman year at the University of Kansas. Paul would come back with his roommate Preston to visit St. Louis for holidays, long weekends, what have you. And we that's when we got to know one another. I was probably a senior in high school and he was a freshman in college. So that makes sense because there is this big brother energy that Adam and Paul have with you. Where you where you feel like they're big brother. You're only two years, two or three years older. No, younger. I'm younger than Paul and older than Adam. Oh, really? Yeah. But Rod gives you. Paul also doesn't age. He has made a deal with the devil. There's a very terrible painting somewhere that is just really rough. He gives you a lot of big brother energy and the way he talks about you. It's interesting. Why do you think that? I don't know. I don't know why. I mean, I think I've always, you probably have had this experience with me too. I always represented older than I am. Yeah, I've heard you say that. Even when I was like a little kid, I was not that little kid, but like when I was a teenager that they were like, you're buying the beer. Is it because you look kind of old. I'm like, what? Thanks. Is it because you were tall? Tall. I have a deep voice. I was like, I'm not a beard early. I was just, I don't know what it was, but it was very much that. I played all the adult roles and you know, like the high school and college. All the real fun dad roles. Great. You should have done. I'm like, who's afraid of Virginia Woolf when I'm like 19. You should have talked to Paula Pell who also talks about she always did the old lady roles. Same thing, same energy. There was something there. I don't know. I mean, I don't know. But anyway, so that's how I met Paul. And we're talking like 1989. Right. Maybe. So you're in Missouri when you know each other. And do you say to each other, I want to be an actor. So do I. Paul decides he wants to be an actor. He transfers from the University of Kansas to the American Academy of Dramatic Arts in Pasadena. That's where he meets Adam. Right. I see. Adam's a California kid that California kid who came down from Santa Cruz. And then we all then this would have been in the early nineties. I graduated college. I come out here in 94, 95, something like that. And we're all there's this little percolating group of friends that nobody has a job. Well, that's what I'm kind of except Paul. Paul was already famous. Like he had gotten early success with whatever it was. Romeo and Juliet maybe. Yeah. Clueless and Romeo and Juliet kind of were back to back. But what's fascinating is you, unlike some other people who like go through a pipeline before you start working like, you know, the like a, the, uh, the Juilliard Conservatory or like Second City or whatever, you kind of go cold into super cold. Like come in, arrive, start a service. I knew one person, Paul. That was it. And I had an aunt and uncle that lived out here. So I had a, I had a place to stay. Yeah. Um, and then I moved, you know, I found, found an apartment, found a house to live in out in Silver Lake, which was very, you know, urban pioneering back then. Wasn't cool. I mean, it was cool, but it was very out on the edge. Yeah. The swing you took to come out here is very impressive to me because it is like, did you grow up knowing any actors? Did you know anyone that was an actor? No. And did you, when you were in high school and like, like, when did you, did you do plays? Yeah. Were you like, were you like the jock that did plays? Yeah. My high school was one of those magical places that you were just encouraged to do everything. You weren't siloed. If you were a jock, you weren't just that. Yeah. And it was small, but everybody kind of knew each other. My graduating class was 95 kids. Yeah. So I knew everybody in my class and we were kind of all friends, like you were friends with the violin kid and you were friends with the weird, uh, beautiful artists and the kid that could sing opera somehow at 16, you know, there was a lot of talented kids there. And in fact, from my school, Ellie Kemper. Yes. And I was one of my students when I went back to teach. I know. It's so great. Uh, Heather Goldenhersch, who was Tony nominated actress, um, Stephanie Sanditz, uh, Leslie Stevens, all these kids that Sarah Clark, who was in my class, it was on 24, um, who dated Paul Rudd, believe it or not. Right. Um, so we had this kind of weird concentrated energy that was very creative, but we were encouraged. So it was, I didn't know any actors, but I thought, well, why not me? And they were like, we need a Willie Lohman. We need a tired salesman. We need an 18 year old Willie Lohman with the weight of the world on his shoulders. Uh, hey, I'm gonna do it. Do you ever feel though that you like could have been a, were you ever good in a sport enough that you had like dreams like every person? I thought I was going to be a, I thought, cause also the other half of my growing up was my best friend, John Simmons's dad was a professional baseball player. So I was like, I didn't know a professional baseball player. And I was like, man, one of these days me and, me and John Simmons, we're going to be, we're going to play for the Cardinals together, probably. What position did you play? I was a catcher. You were. Yeah. Catcher. I always think of the catchers as the little little people. Stocky. No, I was kind of the, I was always, I was always this show. I was always this shape. I was always lanky. Lanky? Yeah, right? I mean, wouldn't you say I'm lanky? Kind of lanky. I mean, I don't want to describe your body back to you, but I wouldn't use lanky. I feel lanky. Yeah. Am I using that word wrong? Well, I think. Kind of long-limbed and. But I feel like you've got shoulders. I feel like you're lanky. Well, I have to carry the weight of the world. You need it for your briefcase. Both of those sample cases that I, oh God. Okay. So catcher, which I have to say in all of, I used to play softball and all the positions, my two favorite positions were catcher and second base. Interesting. Catcher because I felt like catcher, catcher is a captain. You're in every play. Yeah. You're in every play and you're just like, you're kind of like a coach in a way. Yeah. A little bit. Telling everywhere to go and you're running the running. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I liked about it too. And second base for almost the opposite reason, which is you're like, I thought you had it. Like second base is a little bit like shortstop over here. Shortstop ball. Like, you know, you're just like. And honestly, in the hierarchy of who gets to call like a pop-up, second base is like the last. Yeah. Second base is like, I wanted to get it. I just was over. I thought. Closer to you. But you can chat. You can chit chat a lot in second base. And then short throw. Short throw to the left. Oh yeah. I mean, I didn't have the arm. I never had the arm, but I had the mouth. Okay. So there was a party that was like, I'm going to catch for the Cardinals. And then. Yeah. And then, but here's, here's what it really was, is that I realized probably even when I was still in high school, I was like, Oh, there's people that are way better than at this. Like, like way, way, way better than me at this. Yeah. Yeah. And so I kind of like, you know, I was like, I'm not going to be able to get it. I'm going to be way, way better than me at this. Yeah. Yeah. And so I kind of like, I was early disabused of that notion. Yeah. Very, very just, it was kind of like, yeah. Yeah. And also I realized that. And I have a lot of friends now that are, that are professional athletes and you're like, it's a job. Yeah. Big time. It's 24 seven. Yeah. Even in the off season, you're training, you're training. So you better love it. I know. And I was like, I like it. Yeah. I don't love it. I know. And with sports, when I watched sports or when, even when I played sports, I was, I didn't feel like I was playing or watching to like know how to do it for life. You were enjoying it. Yes. It's like a hobby. But with television and film, I definitely watched it very intently. Oh, me too. Yeah. So to put a point on the end of that story of like not loving, not loving it enough to want to do it professionally. I love what I do now. Yeah. And getting to do things like SNL and getting to produce and develop stuff. Yeah. And getting to have this kind of length and breadth of a career that you can look back on and go, man, I'm pretty proud of that stuff. Yeah. I love that. You did Shakespeare and do you, do you do Shakespeare in theater? Yeah. In college. Yeah. Do you understand Shakespeare? What's happening there? I thought it was pronounced Hamlet. Apparently it's Hamnet. Yes. I just found out it was Hamnet. Now I did. I really loved reading. This is part of when, when I kind of figured out maybe I was going to be an actor is that I would read plays as a little, I read like a banana's weirdo when I was a kid because I was a single, a single mom and an only child. Yes. So there was, that was it. There was no internet. There were no phones. Video games were rudimentary. Yeah. So it was about reading and we had tons of books everywhere and I had a library card. So I would go to the library, I would check out books, I would check out comedy records. Yes. Those are the two things that I got. What did you check out? Do you remember? I mean, it was bananas that I was a seven year old boy and I had like Richard Pryor records. Yeah. The name of which I will not say out loud, but you can find out what it's called. Yeah. And but also like Steve Martin, Bob Newhart, George Carlin, like just stuff that was whatever was there. And what were your series, what books were you reading? Like what kind of series did you love as a kid? I read, it wasn't really, I don't remember there being like YA stuff like that. It wasn't really like. I mean, I feel like Little House and the Prairie was for us kind of. I guess so, kind of. Yeah. Which I didn't really read. It was for girls. I know it's for girls. But I read. It's for boys too. It's for everyone. It's a lovely story. By the way, I did read. I did read those. I read plays and it was, it was something that I would, I don't know why I was attracted to them or whatever. I think I was, you said earlier about watching TV and like watching it to learn about it. Yeah. And that was what I thought the plays were and I would read them and I would read them out loud to myself. Yeah. So my mom was like, you're going to a weird kid. But it was, I would, that was the, looking back, I think that was the first time I would think, oh, maybe I want to do this for real. Your mom passed away when you were young, when you were 10. What was she like? She was a professional secretary. She was a very accomplished lady. She was the oldest of six kids. She was, I don't know, she was, she was my mom, you know, it was like one of those, I'd loved her. We had an amazing relationship. It's, I say this to people all the time, there's never a good time to lose a parent. It stinks. It just does. I lost my mom when I was 10, my dad when I was 20, but I have friends that are our age now that just lost their parents that are just as devastated. Yeah. So it was, it was brief, but it was significant. Yeah. My relationship with her. And I still have probably the closest family member in my life is my aunt, her younger sister, who was the cool aunt because she moved out here to California. Yeah. And that's you lived with when you came out here? Yeah, my aunt Sue. Yeah. Yeah. Because I mean, I feel like hand bones, the theme of a lot of your work and the things you do is like, like finding your family, like, collecting them, choosing them, making it, like, and you're in a business that does that too. Yeah. You kind of, you know, it's like the circus comes to town and you make new friends and, you know, being on a show as we both were for an extended period of time, you definitely, you definitely forge relationships that are, that are pretty solid, you know, and, and, and don't really dissipate once the, once the circus moves on. Yeah. I know if you're lucky. If you're lucky. If you're lucky. And that's the, that's the thing you were talking about, I think with the people part of it is like, you know, you meet, we're all kind of crazy weirdos, you know, with different talents. But boy, when you see, when certain people come through your orbit and you're like, man, that, that person's amazing at that. Well, you must feel that way about people too, because I mean, do you ever get this feeling? I get this feeling a lot where like, I meet somebody and I'm like, oh, I, you know, we've known each other before in another way. Right? A lot. I can't, am I wrong that Slattery feels like that for you? Yeah. Yeah. That's my big brother. If I, if I had a big brother, it would be him. Yeah. I was, I was just watching, I hadn't, I've not watched Mad Men Back since. I just finished. Right. And I think I say sometimes on this podcast, the best thing about knowing other actors is sometimes you get to text them and be like, I'm watching your show right now. It's so good. And I think I just did that to you. You did. Well, that must have been the impetus for me starting it because Anna, my wife, Anna and I hadn't really watched, I hadn't watched it back. Wow. Since the first time. And so we're on like episode five or six now and I, and I texted, I immediately texted. What happens? Don't tell me. I texted Slad, took a picture of it and texted Slattery. It was just like, remember this day? It was the first day we shot. I just remember all that stuff. And it was wild. It was very wild. Obviously that was 20 years ago, 15 years ago, 20 years ago. Well, we, I don't usually bring this up early in the, in the, in the podcast, but I will now because it makes sense. So, you know, we do this thing where we talk well behind somebody's back before and we talked to Slattery tonight and he's the best and, and he loves you. And we talked about just that about, and it's funny because I said, do you feel like a big brother to John? And he said, in a very big brotherly way, he was like, I feel like we're equals. I feel like I learn as much from John as he learns from me. I feel like I'm not teaching him things. I just feel like we're, but that's also a very big brother thing to say. Yeah. And I mean, part of it was, you know, it's funny for me too, because I remember the first couple episodes or the first season of shooting the show and his son, Harry, was six, as was Kiernan, who played my daughter on the show, Sally. And now they're 26. Yeah. This lightning and bottle thing that just all of a sudden happens. I point to Mad Men and think like, I worked very hard to get in that room. Well, I think a lot of people know this. You worked hard and you grunt, you were really grinding. For sure. Like you, you were, you were working probably for 10 years in different, in a lot of different things and not quite 10, but, but a solid six or seven years as, as a working actor on stuff that nobody watched. Just stuff. Did you ever get close to stuff where you were? Everything. I was, I was the other guy in everything. And in fact, the year I got Mad Men, I had, I had tested when we used to do that seven times. I'd gone to the network the last step before you get hired seven times. For seven different projects? Seven different projects. Oh, four, seven. What do you, do you remember what some of them were? I don't. Yeah. They were like sitcoms and stuff. Yeah. You know, that, you know, and then the old days, now it just feels like everything gets, gets produced. And the old days it was like, they do a pilot, they test it, they see if it worked. Maybe you'd get fired, which I did on several occasions. And, and it's, it's such a banana's way to do it, but that was the, that was how it was. And the Mad Men audition process you've talked about many times, but it was arduous. Arduous. Seven, eight times. But at the very, very bottom, the first audition was a pre-read, just reading with the casting directors. They didn't know my work, not that they would. And it was in Santa Monica and I lived in Silver Lake. So it was like an hour and a half to get across town in the rain on a Friday. And I met them and there was another kid sitting in the waiting room. And he was like, it's like a 16, 17 year old kid. And I was like, am I in the right place? Like what's going on? He goes, are you here for the toothpaste ad? What? Uh, no. Then it was like, what, what do they say? They're looking for somebody. An older guy, the world in shoulder, the brush of teeth. And it was literally, they were casting a, the other room was a casting a commercial. And this was, they were like, no, no, no, we're in here. Hi, sorry, sorry. And I was like, hi, nice to meet you. Wow. The next day was another one of those. A few days later was then more and more people are in the waiting room. Then you start to see people that have signed up. You're like, recognize that guy's name. He was on sports night. He'll probably get it. Yeah. Um, and it was that, that, that, that, that six, seven, eight times. And then they finally, I got to New York. They flew me to New York on somebody's miles. Wow. And uh. When you went in for that last one, did you? The last one was, was, was meet the executives and Matthew Wainert to his great credit. He goes, I go, do I have this job? What's happening? You're flying me to New York. Yeah. He goes, I'm going to walk you around the production office and I'm going to introduce you as Don Draper and you're going to act like you have the job. Oh God, that's giving me. And I was like, okay. And he's like, Hey, we, this is our Don. You know, it's John. I say hi to the cat, the costume designer and the hair and makeup and we're going to do this. And he's walking me around this whole thing and I'm like, I've not heard officially from anybody, anything. Oh my God. So then we go to, to meet the executives from AMC who are these four very young executives. Yeah. AMC was a young company. Brand new. Brand new. Hadn't done anything. We go and we have drinks and we're having a drink and I'm with Matt and Scott Hornbacher, the two producers and the three executives and kind of holding my drink and I'm like, what, what is this? What are we doing? Is this, this is, if this is a prank, this is the most elaborate, meanest prank. And so we're having drinks and they're like, here's to the show. And I'm like, yeah, here's to the show. And I drink the drink and we go and, and, and, and I'm like, we get it into the elevator. They still haven't said anything. And, and the lady who's in charge finally turns to me and goes, you know, you got the job, right? Oh my God. No, I didn't. This would have been way more fun earlier when we were having drinks to toast and it's a, no, we didn't. And, and we go down the elevator and the elevator doors open up and there's a million paparazzi in the, in the, in the lobby of the maritime hotel. And I'm like, oh my God, like, wow, that's, that was fast. Like, holy shit. But they're all speaking German. I'm not making this up. In the elevator with me was a very famous German football player named Franz Beckenbauer. All right. One of the like lions of the German Bundesliga, what have you. And I was like, oh, it's there for him. You're like, guys, guys, guys, I'm not giving interviews yet. Not yet. Let me get to the pause. Oh, in German? Yeah, that's him. Okay. Just a few madman questions. I know, you know, the show is, I just, John, that part, you, that writing, that show, that show is Hall of Fame. Thank you. And Hall of Fame performance. I don't disagree. I think it's a, it's a great show. I was, I was pleasantly surprised watching it back to, to, to not be mortified. I'm so happy to hear that because it is just pristine and your performance is so good, so measured, so controlled. And it, like all the characters in the show starts to unravel in the perfect way. It does pay off. That's what's really, I think really nice about the show is that as it does unravel, it kind of is a satisfying payoff for kind of everybody. And automatically this idea that like the character of John Draper is being presented in this way, which we like project all this stuff on him, just like we would any ad, any version of like a person. And then we realize he is a person like we all are like, but. Heavily flawed. Heavily flawed, but yet what I love about the show is people change, but not a lot. So there's never like. Matt, Matt has said, and I think it's a great way to describe it. He said, I want people to realize that the characters are, are going to be just a little bit better at the end, just a little bit. Yeah, you know, just a little change. And Don, my God, you know, the whole arc of the final season is him sort of shedding everything, his family, his job, his stuff. And he ends up on the end of the continent, the very end of the continent. And that's kind of when he realizes like, oh, wait, I'm really good at this job. I should probably just go back and do the job that I'm really good at. And my question to you is having rewatched, and I don't know if you remember, but at the end, you're, uh, Don, let's everything go. Can you just tell me about the scene in the group, uh, the group therapy scene where that wonderful day player, sorry, I don't know his name, actor breaks down because he feels invisible. Can you tell me about that day? I'm reading that because that's a big scene to do at the end of seven seasons with someone who's not, you don't know. I don't, I don't, that was the whole last half of that season for me was being away from everybody that I had spent 90 other episodes with. That's right. That's right. Sladi and I did our last scene. It's kind of a, it's kind of a weird little nothing scene. It was just us in a bar talking about something. And I said, you know, this is our last scene together. And he goes, what? Cause it was like three episodes before we were done. He's like, no, it isn't. I go, he goes, no. I go, yeah. And it was, it's kind of great that it's just that, that moment. It's just, that's what it is. And then you don't see that guy. So there was a lot of that stuff for me and a lot of, a lot of, it was tremendously difficult because I was handling a lot of personal mischievous in my life, a lot of craziness. And just being on a show for that long is a lot. And saying goodbye to it. Saying goodbye to it. It's a grief. It's a grieving process. You know it very well. So that particular scene and we were, we shot out of order. That wasn't the last thing we shot, obviously, but we, we were on location. We were up in Big Sur. So we were even physically separated from most the stages, all the stuff. Our trailers, I was living in a hotel. Like it was, it was so it was like four or five days in a row up there. And it was heavy. It was super heavy work. You I very much felt the weight of the end of the show. And the responsibility of like, don't fuck this up. You can find anything else up, but you cannot fuck this up. This is the end of a very, very, very long story. And if you shit the bed on this, it's not going to, that will be what you are known for. But I do remember that thinking that this kid is killing it. He was wonderful. And everyone in the, there were a lot of like writers, the interspersed. And for those people that have never watched Mad Men, don't listen to this part. But it is, there is a moment not to give too much away for people that haven't seen it, but I mean, it has been 20 years, but the where, where John is like gone basically to like an excellent like, like retreat and to basically like to your point, he's lost everything and he's in what is an early version of group therapy and the closest he's ever had to actually really, truly sitting in his feeling. And a man, another man who he doesn't know is expressing this thing that John understands really well. Deep dissatisfaction, deep un, un, what's the right word? Unworthyness. Unworthyness. Yeah, maybe it's just. Not being seen and not being loved. Invisibility you said earlier, that whole kind of thing. Yeah. And there's a refrigerator and all this, it's like, it's a beautiful piece of writing. And it's, it's an incredibly emotional moment, not only for this man, but for Don. And there's a, there's a connection that they have and. Okay. Well, I want to slow it down because, you know, I like to talk to the TV. By the way, I did not know that, but I can imagine. I'm an old man. I can imagine. I also am an old person and a young, younger person's body, but I paused in this moment and I was just like, this is John Hampton. Like I was like, this is like the, the moment when you approach and hug that man. It's such good acting. It's your, it's like John. It's so, so good. You, you did stick the landing. Well, thank you. You nailed it. I felt very, very good about what I did on the show. And it was like, it was like masculinity, which a lot of the show is about. And we are all like, look, like John Draper, John Ham, Amy Poehler, we're all like living in a patriarchal world and trying to figure it out. And suffering in different ways. That moment when like two strangers, men of that generation are hugging, it was so moving. Well, and it's because you don't really, Don gets there on under such duress and it's such a strange journey that he ends up there and he's, he's lost this connection with his, his job, his, his family, his, his everything. It's really the Siddhartha kind of moment of just shed everything and to, to discover who you really are. And there's a moment. And of course, the, the opening sequence of the show is this man falling out of a building and everyone's like, this is where he does it. He's going to jump off the cliff. He's going to kill himself. This is the end of the show. He's going to die. And it's, it could have gone that way. I think there's a version of this story where Don doesn't get it and doesn't allow himself to understand it and is so overcome with his emotion and his feeling of inadequacy and failure and what he's, what he has failed at as a husband, as a friend, as a father, as a fill in the blank that he does do that. Yeah. But he doesn't. Yeah. He kind of takes it in, takes the moment, feels the feelings for real and has the moment of clarity where he goes like, you know, and it's beautifully rendered with the coke ad and the iconic kind of moment of this. And it's like, this is who I am. I'm an ad man. So he goes, you think he goes back? Yeah. And what do you think happens for the rest of his life? Like, what is the, what is the last act of Don's life? What do you think it is? Lung cancer. Yes. I mean, for sure. I, I think he goes back. He is a successful advertising executive and I think he finds happiness and peace. I think he connects with his children. Yes. As we know, Betty passes away. Yeah. You and January. You and January, you and Lizzie, you and Slattery, you and Christina. Incredibly, incredibly lucky. One of my favorite scenes in the whole show is the, the scene between, I can't remember. I think it's season five, season four, where we see Don and Joan kind of going out on a night on the town. It's incredible. I mean, Don and Joan never had enough scenes together as far as I was concerned. That's what kind of made it great. I know that there was like two or three. Everyone in that show is just pitch perfect. And, and you brought up the smoking. What did you have to smoke? They were like those fake herbal cigarettes. But I think somebody did, somebody watched the pilot just to watch how many cigarettes I smoke. And I think it was something like 80. In a one hour pilot. So Parks and Recreation and Mad Men were on at the same time. We were, we were fellow travelers. We were fellow travelers and we shared, you and I shared two things. We shared a production designer and Dan Bishop who did your show and did, we used to brag like, oh, the bullpen of, you know, the offices of Parks and Rec were designed by the same guy that did Mad Men. People were like, cool. I can tell. That was a big brag. We were like, and he's a genius. Yeah, he's a great guy. And the other thing is that you and I were at a word shows many, many times. On the losing end. On the losing end. And so I got to get to Slattery's question. Sorry, I'm all over the place, but I got to get Slattery's question. But before that, let's talk about Loser's Lounge, which you mentioned the very beginning. What was it? The Loser's Lounge was a thing that we decided to do after being fed up with losing. Yeah. Like let's take, let's turn this frown upside down. Yeah. Let's not live in the. We're not losers. We're winners. We're winners. Only losers lose. Only losers lose and we are not losers. No way. So we decided that. And I still think this is a great idea. I think we should have patented it. And I think it should have been permanent. Yeah. That because also any awards night, there's way more people that lost than one. Oh yeah. So we decided that there should be a celebratory place for the losers to hang out. The Loser's Lounge. And if you wanted to come and you were a winner and you had a statue in your hand, you had to pay. Yeah, you had to pay up. You had to pay up to charity. To charity. It was all a charity thing. It was a lovely chair worldwide orphans, I believe it was. That's right. And the rest of us could get in and have a good time for free. And it was a fun party. We so we threw a party a couple years in a row. So who has I think a couple different places. We had a dance off. We had a pants off, dance off. And everybody wanted to get in. And the highlight for me was I think I told you the story. The highlight for me at the Emmys was the great my hero, idol Francis McDormand. One for I believe it was maybe Olive Kitteridge or one of the many incredible things. She won. And as she was walking up the aisle with her Emmy, she turned me and she goes, does this mean I can't go to the Losers lounge? And you said, yeah. And I was like, yeah, you're going to have to pay. And I was like, she did. She did. She came and paid. That time of like being at those places together and losing was so fun because, of course, who cares? And also the everyone's work was so great. Everyone was such a fan of everybody's. We were all doing great stuff because Tina was on 30 Rock at the time. You were doing parks. I was doing Mad Men. We had that one crazy fun night. I broke my toe where you broke your toe. And yeah, we were like you and Tina and Claire Danes. And we were all like dancing like insane people. Yeah, like it was the last night on earth. Yeah. And I was I had to get on a plane the next day. And I described like getting on a plane and like looking at the floor and there's like a pile of hair. She was like, what happened? I'm going to beat that. I had just had my second child. God, I know. And I flew in for the weekend because I was well, yeah, I must. I was in New York and I flew to California for the thing. I broke my toe on the banquette dancing. I'm a mother of two. I can't very young, young, young children. I can't walk in the airport. I'm like, I wake up the next morning. I'm like, I can't walk. Oh, boy. I have to get on the plane. I mean, I put like a hat on and sunglasses and like tape my toe and like try to walk to the. And I'm like, I can't get a wheelchair. And this is like too much. So I'm like, walk away and I hear Amy and I look and it's Bradley Cooper. The lovely brand goes Amy. And I'm like, hey. And I look at my hand and he's like, no, it's not Amy. So over. And I'm like, hey, Bradley, he's like, are you OK? And I'm like, no. I'm very, very bad. I'm very, very bad. And so he has to hold me like an old like talk about old lady, like hold my elbow while I got a little escort. And I got a little escort. That's nice. I got an A-lister escort. Wow. That was a fun night. Amy. The last thing you want. The last word you wanted to hear. But but worth it. Worth it. It's worth it. I will never forget that night. Lauren was Lauren was there and moving and grooving. We had a time. Love to dance. We had a time. OK, let's talk about you hosting SNL, though. And I mean, you're are you a five time? Four. I just had my fourth. I took I did three in two years. Took a 15 year. Yeah. And and came back this last this last year. It's been said. And I think I've been listening to the Seth's thing with Andy and the boys. And the lonely. I think. Oh, you were on it too. I think. Right. Yeah. That was an amazing. Your time there was an amazing time. The ever. They're all great. You can't. You literally can't stack them up against another because they're all different and they're all great. But it was so fun to be there with you. With Maya. Bill, Fred, Will, Kristen. Yeah. I mean, Seth, those guys, you guys were. I felt like we were just talk about speaking the same language. It was like I felt so comfortable there, which was. You know, part of part of it was you're a guest in somebody's home, so you don't want to be too comfortable where you're kind of being shitty. But I really did feel welcomed there. I mean, because first of all, I'm sure you've told this story, but pitch on Monday, my first time hosting, you guys all roll in and costume. Oh, that's right. Let's tell that story. So we all decide to dress up as the people for. For 60s gear for pitch Monday night, which is. Thirty five people in a room, maybe a little bit bigger than this. Yeah. So sitting on the floor on the sofa, everything. Everyone is in 1960s period gear. Yeah. Hater was in drag. Oh, yeah. Lutz was in drag as Joan. Lutz was John Lutz, writer. Paula Pell, yes, had a cigarette taped to her finger because she didn't know how to smoke. So she's like, I just tape it and she would pitch like this. And I was I didn't know this wasn't normal. Right. I was like, this is OK. Well, they really do on Mondays. I thought it was a whole thing. OK, well, nice. This is so fun. And that was the beginning of a wonderful relationship, not only with that show, but with so many of you guys. Sitting around that whole week, shooting with Jim Signarelli, you're 95 months pregnant. Yeah. And we've told the story a million, million times, but the fast version is. Friday, I was supposed to do the show on Saturday and then there was no doubt in your mind that you were not having this baby before. Yeah, you know, other women listening. It's, you know, your first kid, you assume you're going to be at least a few days late. I was weirdly feeling good. I was told, you're not going to be giving birth on before your due date. No way. Go finish your last show. Kill it on Saturday. And my feet up. Yeah, my first lesson in mothering, which was like, nope, nothing goes away. You think it's going to go and I really did think I would do the show on Saturday and then give birth on Sunday and Friday night. We were shooting Friday night and we were doing like a pre-tape and I got a call for my OBGYN. Office of your OBGYN. OBGYN's office, my beloved OBGYN passed away that night. And so, you know, for people who don't know, when you get really connected to your doctor and you kind of think about your birth plan and you think about how it's going to go. And all of a sudden, you know, you realize, well, you realize two things. One is that a lot of people can deliver a baby. Yeah. And two. Seth had one in the lobby. That's right. Seth had his in the lobby. That's right. But he didn't have it. No, he didn't. Very true. He didn't have it. He wore the same jeans that day that he wore the next day. No, but. Yeah, a lot of people can do this. And I got the news and my OBGYN died. I started to cry. I mean, heavy sobbing, right, which is horrifying. A giant pregnant woman crying. It's not. It's really scary. And Ham leaned in and said. I know this is hard for you. I'm really, really sad, but this is a big fucking deal for me. So you better. You better pull your shit together. And that's the face she made immediately, which I was like, talk about in the world of big swings, that's a big one. That to me is and I've written about it. That's why you had the baby. That's something happened because you laughed that hard. I think so. I think a big hard laugh. Oh, I was I was like, please let this go. Please let this go well. And to me, the crying to laughing switcheroo. That's like we get about we get a few in our life where we're really, really deeply sad and then someone says something to make us laugh. And that those two against each other feels like I think it extends your life. The Friday night was like because everybody's so punchy by then. It was and I was I wouldn't you couldn't drag me out of that studio. I was having the greatest time. Yeah, I mean, it now brings me to Slattery's question, which is which I thought was just such a sweet question, which is and kind of back to what we were talking about, about this idea of like finding community and family and places, all different kinds of places. But he was his question to you. His question was like, who do you look for for answers when you're feeling. Frazzled or lost because I was saying you have a big brother. You have a big brother vibe with a lot of people. He feels like a big brother to you. But he was saying I feel like I think a lot about like what would John do here? Like he takes a lot of counsel from you. Who do you look? Where do you go? Where do you go? That's a really good question. I don't have a I don't think I have a have a go to honestly. I've been. On my own in one way or another for a very long time. So I am very self dependent. I think part of my therapeutic journey has been sometimes to a fault where I won't reach out. I'll just I got it. Yeah. I'm learning to get better at that, for sure. But people like Lauren, for sure. Lauren, I've definitely reached out to when I've had. Instability in my life. And, you know, part of the magic of that man is that he's so inscrutable and so Canadian that it's a co-an in some way. You know, you get some kind of weird thing. We say co-an. Yeah, like a Zen co-an. You know what that is? It's like a saying that, you know, how do you spell that? K-O-A-N. I don't know that word. Sorry. Co-an. Obviously, because I don't have a great definition of. Yes, a paradoxical anecdote, question or dialogue. Well done. OK, continue. So he'll say, well, you know, eventually you'll just be on the T-shirt and you're like, what? You know, it's that thing where you let go and suddenly you're finding yourself on Mulholland. And then maybe Mick will come by and you'll say, go, great. Everybody does it. It's so great. But yeah, but people like that. I find that I. Very much enjoy. Talking to my elders. Yeah, I was not to be super name-droppy. But last night had an amazing dinner at the Brookheimer's house. Jerry Brookheimer, who produced Top Gun. I think you've worked for Jerry. They have. Have you? Not that to my knowledge. What's the the squeak-wheels? No. They were. Oh, he was. We had Jerry. I never met Jerry in the booth when I was. Fair enough. Eleanor in the squeak-wheels. Fair enough. But Jerry, thanks for the job. Didn't know, didn't, didn't know that you were the person that hired me. Thank you for the job. Thank you for the job. Sorry that I dressed up as Eleanor when I came in for the audition. You've been in some monster hits, Bridesmaids. Bridesmaids, man. Bridesmaids, you're so funny in it. What a funny, what a fun, incredible movie. Yeah, I mean, some fun movies for sure. Big fun movies. I love you. How did you learn how to do a Boston accent? How did you? I don't know, like anybody just. Not like anybody. People can't do it really well. Well, I mean, I famously did it in the town, but I was making fun of Ben. That was the that was part of why it was easy for me. And my guy wasn't supposed to be from Boston. Right. When I met all those FBI guys. Yeah. None of them, the Boston PD guys are from Boston. The BPD, the local guys. Well, even the way you're saying Boston is the correct way to say it. Well, I. Trust me, we were immersed in Boston. Oh, yeah, you do a movie in Boston. Everybody's in the movie. Yes, indeed. Your cousin, everybody. And we talk about making a movie about Charlestown. Holy moly. Yeah. Talk about the guys coming out of the world. I you've been told me we were going to you were going to cast. Yeah, Tommy and the other guy. Yeah, my friend, John is here. You're right. We're here. Where's the paycheck? Yeah. And where's craft service? Yeah. And nobody said everybody. Yeah, they said we're in the job. Don't worry. Yeah. Yeah. You're like, OK, guys that would show up and then we're like, oh, but I can't shoot here. I'm on parole. I guess too close to a bank. You're like, OK. Sorry. Oh, man, there were some characters and it was a blast. It was a blast. And what about 30 Rock work in there? Let's Tina Fey show or Tina Fey discuss. Tina, I credit Tina along with Lauren for allowing me to be in comedies. Nobody thought it's not like when you do Mad Men, they're like, I bet that guy's real funny. He's probably got a bunch of impressions and bits and jokes. True, you're very serious in Mad Men. I mean, yes. So. When Lauren asked me to host the show. I was like, oh, my God, that's the only thing I've ever wanted to do since I was since ever was beyond Saturday Night Live. So I was very excited. And then as we discussed, you guys very welcoming. Here we are. Everyone's in costume. It's very funny. The, you know, read through that week is a packet of 50. I think you were right next to me. I can't remember where you sat. So, so fun. And then I remember I think it was after Reethrower maybe it was on Thursday, but I was going down to the to eight to do blocking something and the phone in my in the dressing room rings. Jesus, that's weird. It's like when a hotel phone rings, you're calling me, who's calling in the room. This is very weird. And I picked it up. I was like, hello, hello. Is it John? I go, yeah, oh, yeah. Hi, it's Robert Karloch. We just want to know if you wanted to come do this thing on 30 Rock. It's kind of a love interest for for Liz. And I was like, huh? Like the other thing that I wanted to be on is that and Tina unbeknownst to me had called Lauren after Reethrower and says, this guy funny. How is this guy? As Tina is want to do, like, give me the straight dope. And Lauren, yeah, yeah, I mean, it's like when you're in that space, you like them. We were on parallel tracks like we shot our pilots in the same studio at Silver Cup, right? So we kind of we were and they were there for comedy and we were winning for drama. And it was like, man, man, 30 Rock, man, man, 30 Rock was great. Well, you weren't winning, but they were the show. You were the losers. Now losers. Thank you. Tina's love language is writing incredible material that you get to do. Like that's like how she like it's like it's the nicest gift is that she gives you pages. I recently got a text from Tina. That was the beginning of my character arc on the show where I played a perfectly normal human being. Now, cut to season whatever where I have two hooks for hands and then fall and the reason I have hooks for hands is because I thought I recognized my old football coach when I was getting out of a helicopter and I waved. Yeah, twice. So she was like, remember when this guy was a normal person? A normal person? Well, it didn't last long. OK, and then the last thing I want to ask you about because I love it is I loved you at the Super Bowl enjoying Bad Bunny and I love people. Bad Bunny came at a time where for a lot of people it was like we were, we're, you know, we're looking for something. So anything any expression of joy out there. Any exactly any artistic expression of joy. I know you are a huge fan of his. You went like what was it like watching that and tell me why. She's why. Here's why. My wife, Anna, who I met on the last episode of Mad Men. OK, can you tell everybody who she played in the last episode of Mad Men? The receptionist of the Esalen like place, the girl with the pigtails. Incredible. Who then gets put in the Coca-Cola commercial. Yes. So this woman clearly has an effect on Don and clearly had an effect on John. We ended up getting married at the same place, same location. No. Yes, ma'am. They better giving you that for free. We worked out a nice. Incredible. It was a beautiful magical experience. And lovely. So Anna had gone. To Columbia with her sister and her best friend on a girl's trip. And they would go to the dance clubs at night after dinner or whatever and shake their butts and have a good time. And they were like, this there's this this guy that keep playing bad bunny. No one had heard of this like 2018. He wasn't even played on the reggaeton stations in in LA or New York. No one had heard of him. And we had started to kind of see each other a little bit here and there. And we go out in New York City and they play me this bad one. Who is this? Our text thread is called Bad Bunnies. That was just our first. And I was like, I can dig this guy's energy. So whatever. So over the course of our relationship, this is the soundtrack to our relationship. Oh, that's so nice. So it's and it's it's just organic. It wasn't. Yeah. So we had heard about he had hosted the show or he was a guest on the show on SNL. Got it. Got to go to that. We found out he was doing this residency in Puerto Rico. I was like, and to Anna's great credit, she's always like, what if we did that? And it was a blast. Yeah, that was the first time I went viral was in the Casita dancing, dancing. Just dancing. It was fun, man. He's fun. He's fun. We had a dance party at. I love girls. I love dancing. Me too. And so there's, as you said, the world was was a little is is a little of a bummer. A lot of a lot of a bummer. Yeah. A boy, man, for 15 minutes of that halftime show. Yeah. No kidding. What a message. And what a and and not for nothing. You forget that he had to perform that. No kidding. I mean, I always sing along to a track or whatever. Like, no, no, no, no. He was jumping off a roof, climbing on a pole, spiking a football. You're like doing a trust fall, doing a trust fall, like a real one, not a fake one. Up in the air, it's so much 10 out of 10. No notes perfectly executed. Then you go and you listen to the words and you're like, oh, man, that's a nice sentiment as well. Yeah. Maybe if we look back in five years, this is the tipping point. And if it is, what a kickass. Thing to do. Yeah. Remind everybody that maybe together is a little better than siloed and apart. And yeah. And that joy is kind of great. And then there's a million ways to be an American and that music is like like that when music does that. I feel like, I know you feel this way about music, too. Like there's something about music that can shortcut. Yeah. In a way, the universal language, they say it always because it doesn't matter what kind, it doesn't matter what it is. It can be aggressive, it can be soothing, it can be all of the things. But man, when it hits the right buttons, yeah, feels good. Juan, Hamon, Juancito, Hamoncito, Juancito, Hamoncito, Little Johnny, me. Do you speak Spanish? I do speak Spanish pretty well. You do? I do pretty well. How did you learn it? I learned it in high school and then I worked in a million restaurants in Los Angeles. Yeah. And then you get really good at kitchen Spanish. Do you have an accent? I can speak Spanish a little more than the other languages that I learned a lot last year, but yeah. See. And the last question I have for you is, what are you laughing at these days? What are you watching that's making you laugh and it can be, it doesn't have to be. You know what I watched recently that that really made me laugh that I think you would really like. Yeah. It's a show out of Canada called Heated Revenom. No, it's not that. That's a bit. That's called a bit. Um, it's but it does have to do it is Canadian. It does have to do the hockey. It's a show called Shorzy. Oh, I love Shorzy. That is making me laugh. And you know what it's also making me do? Yeah. Cry. It's making it. He's a really great. It's a great show. OK, I've only watched clips of Shorzy because, you know, I I've seen him on six episodes a season. Oh, really? Oh, I love that. You can watch all of them in a half a day and him. OK, let's watch. So Jared Kiso. OK, tell me more. Was on a show created a show called Letter Kenny. Yes. Which is a very, very Canadian show. Yes. But very specifically funny. Maybe not to everyone's taste as as as things should be. Yeah. Comedy is very subjective. Subjective. And the reason he did this was because he came to LA and they were like, you're too Canadian, you're too this, you're too that. And he's like, fuck it, I'm going to go back home and I'm going to make it. I'm going to make my own show. Mm hmm. And he did. And then he spun it off into this thing, Shorzy. And it's Shorzy's about this kind of local hero legend. He plays on the local men's hockey team. And it's kind of the point of pride for the small town in northern Ontario that they live called Sudbury. And over the course of the of the series, they win the championship. Then he becomes a coach and he tries to teach the kids. And it's it's a tremendous show because it it highlights. Most of the people in power that are running things are women. Many of them are First Nations, Indigenous Canadians. And it's not made a big deal of it just is. Yeah. And his relationship to all of that while being this. Yeah. Bruiser is very soft. Yes. Yes. I mean, I've seen this real high pitch voice and it's really kind of funny. And he always interrupts people. They're always interrupting. They're always in their overlapping dialogue is really tremendous. It's a tremendously ambitious show that delivers. So I I'm trying to pump their tires a little bit. I want to find out the scenes where he's hitting on. Oh, when he hits on the girl who he really loves, it's so I'll make you. You and Laura. I'll make you so happy. OK, that's the stuff that I see. And it's so funny. It's such a funny move. It's also like it's also deeply sentimental and heartfelt. I agree. That was I was like, oh, I want to watch the show because his move, his comedy move is like, I'm going to love you so hard. So hard. And she's just like, I'm not interested. And it's so good. Sure. You know, I enjoy the perks that come along with that. It's summer and Saturday. So fucking play a del Carmen. I know. So fucking bello horizonte. I'm ready to do things to the next level. But I need to be sure that you're sure. Oh, so good. Such a good show. OK, we're going to check that out. Well, John Hamm. Amy Polar Bear. But I don't have a lot of straight men on the show. So. Consider yourself. I break down a lot of doors, a lot of walls. You know, it's nice. You know, and I should probably. But the guys you do are great. Our buddies, too. Great. All of our buddies. Yeah, I know. All of our buddies. And it's nice to be, first of all, it's so great to see you. I really do miss you. We don't hang out enough. I'm glad we got this one in. Same. You are the best in the biz. And I'm back at you. Consistently make me smile and happy. And I look forward to your new show, which I know is coming out. I was talking to Sher. We didn't even talk about your friends and neighbors. Season three coming out. It's so great. It's so funny. Congratulations on another big hit show for Apple. Yeah, season three starting. We'll start shooting out in late April. Season two will come out in early April. And it's very fun. So fun. Fun stuff. Shooting in New York City. I know, but lots of nights. Yeah, lots of nights. But I saw it. I saw it on that first season. I was like, oh, you have to break in at night time. They they they they almost broke me on that one. I bet I was like, we got to find a way to break into these houses during the day. Well, I'm very happy to call myself one of your chosen sisters, Ham. You are happy. I'm happy to be one of them. So thanks for doing this. Thank you. Love you. Love you, too. Thank you so much, John Ham. It was so good to have you and see you. And I love talking to you. And, you know, John and I talked about a lot of things. And I mentioned a very brief anecdote about probably my favorite actress, Frances McDormand. And so for this polar plunge, I just wanted to remind you all how great she is. I just rewatched No Mad Land the other night. And oh, God, that is a good performance. She's just good in everything. She's so interesting and smart and just so cool. And, Frances, if you're listening, I love you. Never change, please. I'm just a big fan of your work and and check out Frances's work. You know, it's these kind of polar plunges. Thank you, Frances, for your work. And thank you, John Ham, for coming today and for your work. And thank you just for, oh, my God, I don't know how to end this. OK, bye, everybody. You've been listening to Good Hang. The executive producers for this show are Bill Simmons, Jenna Weisberman and me, Amy Poehler. The show is produced by The Ringer and Paper Kite. For The Ringer, production by Jack Wilson, Katz Velane, Kaya McMullen and Aleya Zanaris. For Paper Kite, production by Sam Green, Joel Lovell and Jenna Weisberman. Original music by Amy Miles. I ever wanted what's a really good hang.