The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz

Zaslow Is Fired Up For Rousey/Carano + Mike Can't Get Into The Wire | Hour 2

41 min
May 15, 202615 days ago
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Summary

The hosts discuss the first-ever MMA event on Netflix featuring Rousey vs. Carano, analyze the card's quality and fighter conditioning, and debate the role of Jake Paul and Logan Paul in challenging UFC's dominance. The episode also covers Waymo driverless cars causing neighborhood disruptions in Atlanta and explores TV shows the hosts couldn't get into despite their popularity.

Insights
  • Netflix's entry into live MMA represents a potential competitive threat to UFC's monopoly, offering fighters better labor conditions and exposure opportunities that traditional UFC may not provide
  • Rousey and Carano's extreme weight management and model-like presentation suggests deliberate promotional strategy to differentiate this event from traditional UFC cards and appeal to broader audiences
  • Autonomous vehicle technology is advancing faster than public acceptance and infrastructure readiness, creating safety and neighborhood disruption issues that regulation hasn't caught up with
  • The Paul brothers, despite controversy, have legitimately expanded combat sports opportunities for fighters and women's combat sports specifically, forcing UFC to compete for talent and viewership
  • Consumer streaming fatigue is real—even enthusiasts are selectively subscribing and using trial periods rather than maintaining all platforms simultaneously
Trends
Streaming platforms entering live sports as competitive differentiator against traditional sports broadcastingAlternative combat sports promotions challenging UFC's labor practices and fighter compensation modelsAutonomous vehicle deployment outpacing regulatory frameworks and community acceptance mechanismsCelebrity-driven combat sports events attracting mainstream audiences beyond traditional fight fansNostalgia-driven TV consumption among older demographics as alternative to modern streaming contentDriverless car technology creating unexpected neighborhood and infrastructure friction pointsFighter conditioning and weight management practices evolving with different promotional approachesStreaming subscription consolidation through selective trial usage rather than full-year commitments
Companies
Netflix
Hosting first-ever live MMA event with Rousey vs. Carano card; entering live sports broadcasting to compete with trad...
UFC
Primary subject of criticism regarding fighter pay, labor practices, and monopolistic control of MMA; being challenge...
TKO Group
Parent company of UFC; criticized by Rousey for fighter treatment and compensation policies post-acquisition
PFL
Alternative MMA promotion mentioned as potential destination for Francis Ngannou after his return to fighting
Waymo
Autonomous vehicle service experiencing operational issues in Atlanta neighborhoods with driverless cars circulating ...
WWE
Jake Paul blackballed from UFC events due to competing promotion; Logan Paul active in professional wrestling
Amazon Prime Video
Streaming platform hosting series finale of 'The Boys' this weekend; example of streaming content competition
People
Ronda Rousey
Headlining Netflix MMA event against Gina Carano after 10+ year absence; criticized UFC and TKO for fighter treatment
Gina Carano
Returning to MMA after 17-year absence to fight Rousey on Netflix; previously appeared in Deadpool and other films
Francis Ngannou
Heavyweight champion returning to octagon after personal tragedy and boxing venture; noted as hardest puncher in mode...
Nate Diaz
Fighting Mike Perry on Netflix card; known for unconventional personality and strong loyalty to brother Nick Diaz
Jake Paul
Recently fought Anthony Joshua and may have suffered career-ending jaw injury; blackballed from UFC events due to com...
Logan Paul
Active in WWE professional wrestling; blackballed from UFC events due to family's competing combat sports promotion
Hamzat Shemayev
Recently lost to Sean Strickland; criticized Rousey for being ungrateful to UFC, prompting her response about fighter...
Dana White
Criticized for steering UFC toward niche demographic and not pursuing mainstream appeal; subject of fighter compensat...
Dan Le Batard
Primary host discussing MMA, streaming, and pop culture topics; moderating MMA Hangout on YouTube during Netflix event
Stugotz
Co-host contributing commentary on MMA card, streaming services, and television nostalgia
Quotes
"I think this is going to go better than the Jake Paul, Mike Tyson circus, which had an entertainment value. Netflix seems to do interesting things with their combat sports broadcast."
ZaslowEarly segment
"My loyalty is to them and not the company they sold. And I do not owe TKO's UFC a damn thing."
Ronda RouseyMid-episode
"I think you do want the Paul brothers involved with it because Dana White is, like I say, intentionally or otherwise steering it in a direction where only a sliver of the population is going to care about it."
Dan Le BatardMid-episode
"Why are you putting yourself into the experiment right now? It's sort of like the people who want credit for like, look, I'll eat the hottest wing that they got in the shop."
Dan Le BatardWaymo segment
"The 90s man. What a time. 90s are the best."
DaveLate segment
Full Transcript
This is the Don Lebatur Show with the Stugatz Podcast. So, the basketball in the hockey is now going to be a little limited on a nightly basis now as both of the sports are heading into their conference championships. We're not going to have multiple games every night, but there is something going on tomorrow night in addition to the basketball in hockey on Netflix. Mike, Ryan, do you get Netflix? I do. Roy, you get Netflix? I don't. Chris, you get Netflix? I do. Tony, you get Netflix? You already know. Dave, you get Netflix? I do. I get Netflix too. And tomorrow night, Roy, I'll give you my password. And tomorrow night, you got the MVP card, right? And it's Ron. What are you laughing at? The password. Yeah, I gave you my password. Roy doesn't have Netflix. He's crazy. I'll give you my password. Si. The only reason I have Netflix is because they've entered into live sporting events. Is that true? That's the only reason. I don't like Netflix shows. They're not for me. Do you have every streamer? Now, I was the last holdout, the last streaming platform that I was holding out on was Netflix. Everything else, I have to have everything because I'm a soccer fan. I cannot follow that sport without every other streamer. Dave, do you have every streamer? Pretty close, although we do do the thing of like, we like that series and so we turn it on for a few months. Give me the free three months, right? And you watch the show? That's a good move. We play that game. We get a little thrifty here. I just have to say very quickly without derailing anything, my wife heard me through the wall and was very upset that I declared that she thought that Drake had won the back and forth. Kendrick Lamar, she said, How dare you misrepresent me? You have to correct that. It's out in public. I think that Kendrick Lamar clearly won. He humiliated him and everybody thinks he's cooler, except apparently for Tony. I'm on the right side of history on this one. No, you're not. That's a West Coast buy-out, so from the damage shack household. So as I was saying, tomorrow night on Netflix, you got the first ever UFC, first ever MMA card, MMA live event on Netflix. The first thing I want to ask before I get into the things that I do have an opinion about as far as tomorrow night goes, is this overall? Like, is this a good card? Is this going to be a good show? Well, a card's going to be fun. There's going to be a bunch of scraps on it. I think the Mike Perry, Nate Diaz fight is going to be super cool. Nate Diaz, every time I see him, you know, you're looking to promote the fight. He's bored out of his mind. I mean, he like, he's also stoned out of his mind too. That also kind of like makes things a little bit even made made Aero Hohani hold the blunt the other day. I saw, I don't, I don't want to, I don't want to hold this. I saw at the, the open practice sessions, he was just smoking a blunt and shadow boxing. And he was like trying to like shadow box the guy with the camera. Well, smoking a blunt. That's Nate though. Like, and that's why him and Mike Perry is going to be an electric fight. That's what I called it a back yard scrap. Like two uncles fighting at a barbecue. I love that. I love how much Nate Diaz loves his brother. Yeah. He, he, he thinks, yeah, and for the video team here, it's just that was the open session yesterday. He's attacking the camera. While smoking a blunt, he's just, it's a joint. Oh, he's, he's trying to take down the camera guy now. It's definitely a joint. I love how much he loves his brother. Like he claims his brother is the greatest MMA fighter of all time. Right. Yeah. Which is obviously a ridiculous thing to say. But again, you got to step up for your bro. Keep it 10 toes down. I like how tight they are. So go ahead. No, so that, that fight's going to be fun. The return of Francis and Ganu after all the stuff that he's been through between leaving the UFC, between personal tragedy, between the boxing and now coming back. It'll be cool to see Francis and Ganu back into the octagon one more time. I don't know what his future looks like as far as where he's going to be fighting with PFL or with another MVP card. But that guy, when he steps into the octagon, it's like, oh my God, anything can happen. He's literally the hardest puncher that we've ever seen in modern heavyweight history. But the headliner is absolutely rousy and Corona for sure. For sure. It's been, uh, it's been deemed the headliner for the card. You can watch us on YouTube at eight PM MMA Hangouts presented by Netflix for this card. So we'll be watching through from eight PM through the end of the fights, which will be fun. Tony, this is the first time that you've done an MMA Hangout for non UFC. Non UFC event. Oh, cool. Exactly. So it'll be the first one and what a better one to do it on Netflix with a very fun card. I'm interested to see how the Gina Carano and Rhonda Rousey fight goes because like we talked about, both women have been out of the sport for a decade and almost two decades. They're looking good. They look fit. They look slim. They look like they're ready for a fight. Tony, they look like models out there. I know. Yeah. This is a very different camp than they're used to. It's, it's like, I don't know if strange is the right word. I don't know if you saw Dave, but they came out, they're doing the poses and everything and, and the two of them come out. They look like models. They are in unbelievable shape and they're both, they're wearing these sexy dresses. They're wearing dresses for changing. Yeah. Shift in the paradigm a little bit. I kind of like their approach to it. Rhonda has been, you know, pretty out there with some quotes in the lead up to this fight. She's not pulling punches there. For both fighters, I don't think I can remember a fight where they came in this light. Yeah. It's, and usually what you're doing, you're bulking during the, the camp and then you cut to try and make weight and everything. And it feels like they're kind of hovering where they don't really have to cut weight. And that's one thing that's super important in at least the UFC when you're going up and you're probably a weight, a weight level above where you're actually fighting. So you got to cut a bunch of weight to make your weight. Right now, it doesn't look like there's any weight cut happening whatsoever for anybody. Rousey looks the slimmest. I've, you know, slimmest fitness, however you want to put it, that I've ever seen. And Gina Carano, who has not fought in 17 years. All right. That's crazy. I would have to guess that there's never been a mixed martial arts fight with someone who has gone 17 years between fights. I remember there was a card at the LA Coliseum. It was Brock Lesnar's first ever MMA fight. And I ordered the pay-per-view because I was curious to watch Brock Lesnar fight. And Roy Scrazy was on that card and he was fighting a professional fight. So I'll look it up. This may not be as unprecedented as you think. Well, Gina Carano. Yeah, go ahead, Dave. I'm just curious about what you mentioned. So, promotionally, they're, they're, they're trying to like sort of sex them up is basically what you're saying. Well, no, we're not trying to say that. We're not trying to say that. Yeah, no, we're actively trying to not say that. Yeah, we're not trying to say that. Is I just, we're trying to be as careful as we can to not say that. And well, you just said they came out in dresses and put them out. I mean, if that's what they're doing, that's exactly what we said. Yeah, that's exactly what we said, but we didn't say what you're alleging. We said because we tried to not. I got you. I got you. So I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna do a microphone and be accused of objectifying anybody unless it's a man there. So they're not gonna, they're not gonna like a League of their own it. Like, yeah, you guys can fight, but you have to wear dresses while you do it. These two ladies are definitely in a League of their own. When it comes to the promotion of this fight, it's not something that we're used to. Yeah. And I think that's by design and I think it's effective. Uh, yeah, I would say you're probably right. It's probably completely by design because I've never seen anything like that before. Ladies are fighting at 145. So women's featherweight division. So probably not having to cut a ton of weight because they're probably both around that mark. Well, and Gina Carano, I don't remember what she looked like when she was fighting, but I know what she like, she's an actress too. And I know what she looked like when she was in dead. She was, but we don't have that conversation. I think she won. She'll be back. I remember what she looked like in Deadpool and she was, I mean, she looked strong. Yeah, strong. Gladiator strong. Yeah. Yeah. And she does not look like that now. I'm interested in the fight. I'm always interested every time Ron Derrause fights and I am going in with incredibly low expectations. I think it's going to be a total shit show. Really? I think this card is going to play out. I'm pumped. I'm saying that fight, not the card. Okay. Possibly. I don't know where their cardio is and these were two bigger fighters. So it's probably when your main concern is the cardio, it's probably a wise choice that they've cut so much weight for, for this fight. But I think this is going to go better than the Jake Paul, Mike Tyson circus, which had an entertainment value. Netflix seems to do interesting things with their combat sports broadcast. So I'm curious to see how MMA is separated from that. By the way, while we're on the topic of Netflix, I don't know if you guys got into it when I was away, but have you seen the Jake Paul news? He might not fight again. Jake Paul, like I think I want to give Jake Paul a lot of credit because everybody's fear about this fight was like, look, if this is on the up and up, Jake Paul can die in this fight. And while there are certain portions of the internet that think this is overstated because it's setting up a narrative about a comeback fight or whatever, his jaw got destroyed. And that's a big deal for a fighter. He might in taking that fight and being brave enough to take it, he might have legitimately ended his boxing career, such that it was. Now maybe he goes back and is a little bit wiser about choosing his opponents. I'm sure that's fine. Curious to see if he shows up to this event because he's apparently been blackballed from the UFC events because having rivaled. Yeah, this is his deal. He actually volunteered that he can't even watch his brother compete in the WWE because of the parent company. Really? Yeah, because, you know, that's bad blood right there. So he's blackballed because he's a competing promotion? Yes. And there are a lot of other things too. Yeah, I mean, he takes shots at Dana specifically. He has one of the former UFC high ranking employees matchmaking over there. So there's a lot of bad blood there. I kind of get it. But I do think that Jake Paul, and this may surprise him in the audience, I want to give him credit for taking that fight because he legit got rocked. He legit might have ended his career in doing so. Well, yeah, like, wouldn't one of the things that someone would have said, going into the Jake Paul, Anthony Joshua fights, was if you take this fight, this guy will end your career. And that's literally played out what might be happening. It played out. It wasn't just fight hype. It was legit. Jake Paul, wrist, life and limb and his career. He may never fight again. Isn't that good? Ultimately for the sport of boxing. Legitimately. Doesn't that? You know, I think not for Jake Paul, I understand it's not, but ultimately it is kind of good for the show. No, obviously he's a self promoter and that's why he got into the ring and the reason he took his risk. But in the same way, I feel like in game interviews of players diminish the drama. Like what are we doing here? I thought that this is way too intense. They're singularly focused on the task at hand. Whether playing grab ass with a sideline reporter while the game's going on, it diminishes that. I think Jake Paul surviving in the ring is bad for boxing. What you want to say is see what happens. You see what happens. You think you can mess around and get in here with us. You can't compete with us. You want the vibe of like, man, these guys are different. Put me down for two non meager defenses of Jake Paul. I think competition is great. I think it's great for all combat sports. I like the Paul brothers. I would say it. I like them. Look, they've done some good things with their cards. They've given fighters opportunities, especially in women's combat sports. I don't think it's a bad thing to try to break up UFC's monopoly of combat sports, especially when it comes to the labor rights of the people actually doing the fighting. They're very, very pro fighter. Yeah. And you can say a lot of things, a lot of things about Jake Paul. I do think he knows the world of boxing. I do think he knows and picks the right boxers to put a spotlight on that aren't getting a fair shot. Ultimately, you can have whatever issue you have with the circus headline attraction. And I get that. I get all of that. Trust me. But he brings people into the tent and the circus is not just Jake Paul. There are reputable fighters there that are itching for a chance that have become stars that have made money because of Jake Paul. Going for two when you're up by five. Munching the zone when man isn't working. Oh, and building your new stadium in the state your team actually plays in. In sports, some things just make sense. You know what else makes sense? Drinking Jagermeister shots. Ice cold. Drinking it any other way would be like punting on first down or letting your worst hitter bat first or like going for two when you're down three with a second ago. It wouldn't make any sense. So don't let the team down when it comes to Jagermeister. Drink it cold. Oh, don't drink it at all. Jagermeister. Damn, that's cold. Freak responsibly. Jagermeister liqueur. 35% alcohol by volume imported by Master Jagermeister US. White planes, New York. Chris Cody, when you come over to my house and we put on the games, I got basketball, I got baseball going on. 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Go to Millerlight.com slash Dan to find delivery options near you or you can pick up some Miller light pretty much anywhere they sell beer. It's Miller time. It's a responsible Miller brewing company Milwaukee, Wisconsin, 96 calories and 3.2 carbs per 12 ounces. Tony, you know that moment at a party or a tailgate where everything just sort of clicks? I know it well. It's usually when I show up. Everybody goes crazy. Yeah, you usually take all the credit for it, but it's because Tony usually walks in with quare blocking like this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Quarevo is a thing that turns hanging out into this is the night. It has that effect on people. It does. You usually take the credit for it, but again, it's the quarevo effect. It's like that moment in a big game where everyone in the crowd just starts standing up hooting and hollering. Keep it quarevo. Keep it quarevo, baby. Don Lebatard. Can I tell you something? I don't know, maybe like a month ago. And I decided to watch pitch clock and I told Jeremy. Stugats. This is a good show you're doing. This is the Don Lebatard show with Stugats. Yeah, I like Paul Brothers. Everything just said about Jake Paul and Logan Paul. Look, everybody knows this point. I'm a huge pro wrestling guy and Logan Paul is a fantastic professional wrestler. He's really good at it. I also think if you're an MMA fan and you want it to become bigger than it already is, I think you do want somebody to emerge to sort of push back at Dana White. I mean, Dana White, whether he wants it to go this way or not, is turning it into, he's steering it hard into a certain demographic or maybe he's just acknowledging the fact that it never is going to be mainstream, that it belongs to that demographic. Maybe in that way as commissioner of this sport. I always think about like Gary Batman. They want hockey to make it in the sun belt and it's been fits and starts for 20 years and you guys have benefited from it ultimately. But man, it seemed for long stretches there like, are you sure you want to try to mainstream this sport? It might just be better off as a fringy provincial sport, Canada and colder places. But if you want MMA to get bigger, not smaller, then I think you do want the Paul brothers involved with it because Dana White is, like I say, intentionally or otherwise steering it in a direction where only a sliver of the population is going to care about it. Yesterday, I had the controversial remarks that I like watching people fight for money. I'm going to maintain that take. But also without this card, I'd not be watching MMA. I haven't been watching the UFC as much lately and it's because of the star power kind of lacking a little bit and maybe some other things. But in this card, I'm getting a dream fight. Yeah, maybe it's 15 years too late, but it's a fight that every mixed martial arts fan wanted to see. I'm getting a backyard barbecue fight between two guys that are going to come out swinging and I'm getting the return of the heaviest punching heavyweight, the most menacing heavyweight that we've seen maybe ever. I mean, Brock Lesnar was pretty scary, but in Ganu is got the bonafides, got the punching power and he is returning to mixed martial arts, returning to the octagon. I think that is a huge deal for mixed martial arts and this could be the seed of something that finally challenges. Look, we've well chronicled the challenges that are facing the UFC and their attempts to try to be something for everybody. Netflix is starting from scratch here. They can actually achieve that. Look, it's been 10 years since Rousey fought most of Rousey's fights, which by the way, she only fought eight times in UFC. Now she was in another promotion before UFC, but it's not like she had this long, huge UFC career. She was six and two, losing her last two fights and then she was a huge sore loser and she left and she refuses to talk about it. And essentially the same thing happened with WWE where she was like a huge sore loser. She doesn't like the way things went and she left and she doesn't want to talk about it. She doesn't leave place as well. She burns bridges. There's plenty of bad things that you could say about Ronda Rousey, but it's combat sports. You check a lot of that at the door unfortunately. Well, so some of the bad things that she said, she's been really critical in this lead up to this fight of UFC, but critical of TKO's UFC because TKO was not the parent company yet when she was fighting for them. So she's been extremely critical of UFC and Hamzat Shemayev who just recently lost to Shawn Strickland last weekend, I guess decided to respond to some of Rousey's comments calling her ungrateful toward UFC. And so here's Ronda Rousey now coming back at Hamzat. I asked you on Monday how you felt about some critics out there who are hearing you talk about fighter pay, hearing you talk about the sport, about the UFC. Fighters like Hamzat Shemayev who was on camera criticizing saying that you're essentially biting the hand that fed you back in the day, that you're coming across as ungrateful for everything that they did for you. What is your response to those people? Well, I would want to make something abundantly clear and that's that I owed Dana and the Fratitas immensely and I would be caught dead before you ever heard me say a bad thing about any of them. But my loyalty is to them and not the company they sold. And I do not owe TKO's UFC a damn thing. And the f***ing Clef Lib Lincoln is just hatin' because at his press conference for his fight people are asking about me and my fight because no one gives a shit about his ineffectual wrestle f***ing bests. And people are actually, they can't stop talking about this fight because it's so stacked and they're actually excited to see me fight because unlike Khamquat, I have 100% finish rate. And like Khamquat. Is that true Tony? Are they inefficient wrestle f***ing bests? I mean, I mean, look, Clef Lib Lincoln. Can you explain that one for me? Yeah, so Hamzat Shemayev has a Clef Lib that they fixed so he's got like a bit of like a scar here. And he also has like the Dagestani Chechnyan Muslim Russian beard that has just the beard with no mustache. She got that Netflix riding, no doubt. Yeah, yeah. They probably slid that one too where they were like, here, if you ever talk about Hamzat, read this one. It's a bore. But yeah, it's not ineffectual. Like he was one of the highest prospects and one of the best fighters until this past weekend where Sean dominated him. But that's the fight game, right? Like you step into the octagon, you close the doors and anything can happen. She does have 100% finish rate because she also got finished. That's right. Even in her losses, she has 100% finish rate. So I'm into it. I'm gonna watch tomorrow night. That's on Netflix, but also make sure you tune into Tony. Say it again, Tony. 8 p.m. on the Levitard show YouTube channel presented by Netflix. I'm gonna hang out. We'll be hanging out 8 p.m. to the end of the card. So we'll give you a nice little pregame show. The card starts at 9. We'll start at 8. Get everything ready. Here, here. So why are you doing that again? So here is something that we've been talking about for really the last week. And that's these, the Waymo's and I love this. The driverless cars which Tony believes within five years we will not be driving as human beings anymore. It's gonna be driverless cars, which is crazy. But I saw, before we get to the video that Chris saw yesterday, I saw a video a few days ago. I think it was in Dallas. I saw a video a few days ago where it was caught on camera, a Waymo just completely blowing the stoplight at a busy intersection, making a left into oncoming traffic. And it's like, that's scary. Are you hopping out if you're in that Waymo? I'm hopping out while it's moving. I gotta get out of here. It's making a left at an intersection into oncoming traffic. It just straight up blows the stop sign. And apparently, like the Waymo customer service said, the light on the stoplight, the way the sun was reflecting off. It was very confusing what color the light was. Okay, well, that can't be the excuse when I'm in an eight car pile up because there's no driver in this car. Go ahead, Chris. This is a news report from Atlanta where a neighborhood has just been bombarded with in the morning, like between seven and eight, they just, like Waymos without passengers in it. Has this been happening on multiple days or is it just one day? Multiple days where it just seems like this is where the Waymos are hanging out in between gigs, apparently. So here's the news report. It explains it all, but Atlanta people, this neighborhood not happy with Waymo. Waymo after Waymo after Waymo enter this dead end street usually early in the morning. I think yesterday morning we had 50 cars that came through between six and seven. Neighbors on Battle View Drive started seeing the autonomous driverless cars two months ago, but the groupings and large number of Waymos just started circling in and out in the last couple of weeks. They even shared video with us when neighbors used this little guy to put him right out here in the street to block the Waymos from getting into the cul-de-sac and you can imagine what happened next. And we had at 1.8 Waymos that were stuck trying to figure out how to turn around. The Waymos are empty and not picking anyone up. Parents are worried, not only calling it excessive, but dangerous. So they put these little kids are playing signs in the middle of the street and it caused this like backup of just if you weren't watching us. There's 10 cars there. There's 10 Waymos. They can't reverse. They're trying to do seven point turns to try and get out of the road. But I like this neighborhood taking it in their own hands of like, no, no, no. This is not your just little drive around area. Now why before they put the cones there, which then created essentially a traffic jam, why were the Waymos all being directed to this cul-de-sac? I don't think it's explained why this was the area. Maybe they're near an airport where they just need, they have all these Waymos that are available to pick people up. Where do you go when you don't have a call? Do you just go and park somewhere? No. In Atlanta, apparently they just go to this neighborhood and circle around. That's creepy to me, man. Whether or not Tony is correct about where we're headed in five years or in 20 years, what is the advantage in 2026 of putting yourself into one of those cars? I'm sorry to be like one of those people who's like, let's burn the Waymos at the stake. Like they're a witch. But why are you putting yourself into the experiment right now? It's sort of like the people who want credit for like, look, I'll eat the hottest wing that they got in the shop. Look, I ate the hot wing and everybody's like, who gives a crap? Good for you. The people who, it's almost like a thing people brag about. Like I went in a Waymo. Good for you. You put your life in peril with a ghost driver. No, thank you. Let me know how it all turns out. If they're still going and they aren't driving through stop signs and stop lights and showing up in Atlanta where they're not wanting, then I'll get in for the time being, I'll continue to drive myself. I like driving. Like you, that's why I'm sad. 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I don't know where it is. This is the Don Lebatard show with the Stugats. I told you we got something to watch tomorrow night on Netflix with the rousy Carano fight. But also this weekend. I don't know if you saw this is the series finale of the Amazon show. The boys. You guys know that show right. I think it's the sixth season and the boys is ending the finale is this weekend. It's a very very popular show which comes from a very popular comic that they have brought to life and I got to be honest here. I've tried several times. I've watched I think the first three plus seasons of the boys. I've tried several times to get into this show. I keep starting and stopping and starting and stopping and I can't stick with it. And you would think someone like me. I love superhero movies. I love Marvel. I love DC. Star Wars yesterday was George Lucas's birthday Star Wars. OK. I love these kind of movies. You would think that I would love whatever man. You would think that I would love the boys. And Dave I it doesn't hold me. I can't stay with it. And and it had me thinking like this is one of the rare shows that you would think is up my alley that a lot of people really love. And I just I don't get it. Like do you have a show like that that you would see like wow everyone likes this show I get to try and say I can't do it. It's not for me. Definitely. Well first of all I've never seen an episode of murder. She wrote I never saw Simon and Simon. They were popular long running shows. But the one currently that I think people would think like oh you must watch that show. Family Guy never seen an episode. Why because I've taken a stern posture against it because I'm a Simpsons loyalist. Really you think you're betraying the Simpsons if you watch Family Guy. Well I don't think Family Guy exists without the Simpsons and that's a straight line. But yeah no I feel like the Simpsons. I've seen enough clips and I've heard people do the impersonations and the Stewie is a thing. I know all that. But that's about the extent of what I know of Family Guy. Have you ever seen Euphoria? Have you ever seen Euphoria? Loyal to Homer and Company. Never have seen an episode of Euphoria. No I assume that that's one of those ones that ain't. I was like the people who like our contemporaries as I'm sure you know guys like this like a full house. They belly ache about full house. Have you ever seen Full House? It's not funny. It's like they don't make it for you man. It's for little kids. Same thing Euphoria. Like I don't think I'm supposed to be watching it. People would find me a creep if I were right? I'm presently rewatching Full House with my daughter. We only got a dozen episodes left. I'm enjoying the hell out of it. Well that's nice. What about that dad? Because you're a girl dad that's why. Yeah that's right. Very special bond. Although it's like one of the my dad and I had very few things in common. It was wrestling, going to movies and we would watch Full House together so it's like a weird thing that I'm handing on down. Full House was the show that you and your father would watch together? Yeah because he would have me on Tuesdays and it was on TV and we loved. We loved Full House. That's nice. Me and my father the show that we used to watch. Me and my father the show we used to watch every week we would never miss. Martin. Martin was a great show. Good choice. Good choice. What is a gaping hole when it comes to TV syndication? The original binge watching. I miss it. I used to be a family guy fan and not unlike the Drake Kendrick Lamar discussion that we were having. South Park did an episode in which they totally took out the writing process. Basically it was just a bunch of manatees grabbing random balls in an aquarium and putting together a family guy storyline and I stopped watching Family Guy after that. I'm like they absolutely murdered them. I like the thought of Dave being like I'm a creep if I watch euphoria and everybody's like yeah you know what that's about right because what I know of euphoria I'm like who is this for? Yeah well not for us is the answer but to answer Zazz's original question I gave the wire a try. The wire everyone says the wire. What you can't you couldn't get into it. And I gave the first season is very tough but dude I extended midway through the second season and I know like I stopped right before everyone says oh it really gets good. If I gotta give you a season and a half no not for me I don't get it. I understand it's well made I know it has its fans. Yuck. For me it was the bear. I've worked in restaurants I can let you know it's not that intense. Yeah dude the bear I like the first episode of the bear. I like the second episode of the bear. Third episode of the bear I'm like is there more to this. Then the eleventh episode of the bear rolled around and I said I'm out. I love the bear unnecessary stress. I love the bear and I don't like the way you're speaking about it. Yeah yeah. What? Patty melt! Patty melt! Where's the pot? I need the pepper for the patty melt! I'm hiding the pepper for the patty melt. You have to yell cousin in the middle of that. Oh stupid. Somebody's smoking a cigarette somewhere. All right chef. Yes chef. Where's the pepper? I hit it because I hit you. Oh corner. Too much with the chef on a riff. Behind. I'll go doctor. I'll go senator. I'll probably go even coach but chef is where I draw the line. I'm not calling you chef. I'm calling you Gary. I do find it interesting that all of them are referred to as chef. Like they can't all be chef. The sous chef you got the main chef. They're all chef apparently. Me and my father we never miss Martin. I think it was Thursday nights. I think it was Thursday nights. We loved that show. You remember when it was before New York undercover? Oh yeah. New York undercover. What a show. I don't really watch shows all that much anymore. It's just sports or movies from the 90s. Back to back nights I watch Jade and Fire in the Sky. Oh I told you Jade. I told you a part of my triple feature sneaking in movies when I was 15 years old Jade Linda Fiorentino. Come on. Go back and listen to the Cinephobe episode that those guys did on Jade because I can't stop thinking about this car chase scene. Was it good? Well I've seen this documentary on William Friedkin, the director of Jade and famously the exorcist and he's just a terror to work for. Seemed to be a horrible human being and I didn't know that he directed Jade. There is, I'm not lying to you, a 12 minute car chase here that I think for most of the car chase tops out at 9 miles per hour and they're going through the streets of Chinatown in the Bay Area and there is one part where Angie Evalhart gets hit by a car and I've never seen someone fly so far in a movie. It's must watch. And Fire in the Sky, great abduction scene. Oh you watch Fire in the Sky? For the first time. I was always scared to watch it because they would take out print ads in comic books when I was growing up and it had a very iconic print ad of the dude caught up in the tractor beam right and I saw that film and wow incredible. I remember when Fire in the Sky came out, I was young obviously, that movie was scary to me. It was scary. That abduction scene is legit scary. Now the pacing does not work for today because you don't see one of the aliens until like 90 minutes into this thing but Dave I'm curious your thoughts as someone that was of high school and college age in the 90s, Jade and Fire in the Sky, how say you? Saw Jade in the theater. That's how old a man I am. Also I'm talking about what we've missed and everybody else seems to love is I actually just last night started to watch it because somebody in Miami said to me really you've never seen any of the John Wick movies and I said I should correct that. I should check these out. I watched the first hour of it. Consider me underwhelmed so far. I'm going to stick with it. It's fine. He's a killing machine. I get it. Great. How many different times do we need to see him shoot a guy up close, turn the gun up, shoot him from under the chin? Like just basically Keanu Reeves shooting guys with the gun pointed at him from extreme angles. But you know it also occurs to me with the rewatching of old movies. I was flipping the dial and what did I land on every time I see it. I'm going to watch Hunt for Red October. It's one of those movies that if wherever it is in the movie end up sitting there watching it and I realized it has now surpassed for me. This isn't a qualitative assessment for me. I don't like Hunt for Red October more than I like Shawshank. But I've officially now seen Hunt for Red October more than I've seen Shawshank because for all the complaints that I helped perpetuate like is Shawshank redemption ever not on the cable dial all of a sudden the last couple of years it hasn't been on very much and Hunt for Red October surpassed it in terms of total watches. I'll say you. I mean you know how hard me and my dad laughed the first time Shanane came on the screen. You know Martin played Shanane. He was the actor. He was playing Shanane. What? And Broman you know about Broman? Broman. I in rewatch I didn't notice this initially but you know that Jesse Cotsopoulos's cousin that came over from Greece that was also John Stamos. Really? Does it hit you a little bit different now when Aunt Becky comes on screen? Say what? Say what? You know what I'm talking about. She does what? Colleges the money. What'd you just do with your hand? She looks tremendous. Yeah. Fighting shape. Netflix fighting shape. A little bit shady though these days. You know a little bit shady anyway. I've seen every episode of MASH against my will or otherwise. It was the only thing to Mike's point you know syndicated sitcoms. I vaguely recall Gomer Piles being fed those at a very young age but then MASH took over and it wasn't just one episode much like you see Seinfeld or Friends episodes rerun back to back. That's what filled my TV after school. MASH. I had to endure the transition from Trapper John into Beach. That whole thing. You know that complete overhaul. Summer vacations in Miami meant that they're in a stretch of the day. Nickelodeon turns to Nick Jr. And you're too mature for that. So you go around the dial and you settle in on in the heat of the night on WSVN. Oh what a show. Metlock. You know why they kept showing in the heat of the night on Channel 7? They showed this show well into like the 20 teens. And it's because SVN the parent company owned the redistribution rights to that series. So they were self dealing and they kept that in Matlock on the air forever. What a movie in the heat of the night. Come on the original. Dave you know what I'm talking about. Sydney Padilla. Sydney Padilla. It was right. Yeah yeah very strong. What happened though speaking of rerun half hours after hours. Red shoe diaries. Oh yeah I know Zaslow. Of course. Zaslow was an avid viewer. An avid viewer. Of course. Pants on. All right you don't need to say it so loud but yes I like red shoe diaries. More of a terrorized guy on the E channel. Yes of course. The story lines the important story lines the scenarios that what was his name Zoltan. Who's who's red shoe diaries were they. There was always there was always a name in front of them. They belonged to some guy. I don't know who it was but it was like Zoltan's red shoe diaries. And then they always laid out these scenarios on a train or from outer space or who knows what. Like I'm going to have to go down to the planet earth to experience what this thing sex is about. And all that backstory. Fascinating stuff week after week. Red shoe diaries. Dave you know about those taxi cab confessions. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Now you're talking. I remember watching those as well. Yeah that was good stuff. Bad house. Dream on. Bride ben ben. You know about that Air Force Amy. The Bonnie Reds. The Bonnie Reds don't know what it was. Is a spela soprano. That's too hard of a chuckle from Dave. Seize on it. We like to have fun. Oh man you never got into the wire. That's that's a. No but I would stick around for the after hours program and no doubt. And I did a re binge about a year or two ago of Martin. Holds up man. Yeah. Still really funny. I watch all these things back the movies from the 90s and Full House too. I'm like man that's a one generation when they say you know we had it made. The internet was even like early internet was still exciting and not weaponized against us. The 90s man. What a time 90s are the best. Out. It's the best. Out sucked though. Yeah. Easy. Big elf guy. I remember my first time getting in a cab in Vegas. Just kind of like looking over my shoulder. How like am I in it. You were hoping. Drive to the party.