Dylan Efron and Boston Rob

I'll never leave your good bad. I'll stay the night and one night we came to a dream. It's time once again for Team Beat. The show where I, Daniel Fishell, a podcaster, TV director, eighth place ballroom dancer, Mom of two, and former child actor finally get a little payback for sharing my own teenage years with millions of viewers every week by convincing other celebrities to spill their most vulnerable and awkward childhood memories. Every week I'm sitting with interesting people, subjects you know and love, hoping I can coax them to open up about their younger selves, the cringe, the chaos, the deeply embarrassing stuff, because I know firsthand that it's an entertaining way to reveal who they are today. Also, I just think it's the least they can do. I gave you my childhood. It's time we hear yours. And this week I'm talking to two men living their absolute best lives. As synonymous with Boston as Blake Lively's accent in the town, he first burst onto the scene in the fourth season of Survivor where he may have ranked 10th on the show, but he finished first in our hearts. Often referred to as the show's greatest player, he'd return for its eighth season where he placed second, but also proposed to the woman who won, his now wife of 20 years, who he married in the Bahamas for a two hour special on CBS. So like no one really lost. We go on to participate in a record five seasons, taking home the grand prize on Survivor, Redemption Island, and creating a bevy of memorable TV appearances as the greatest reality show strategist of all time. Hoping that one day, he might just meet a young ninja looking for a master to lead him to sense a status. And then Yoda found his Luke Skywalker on the third season of The Traders where he met today's other special guest. A young heartthrob who focused on a faceless career of TV production after watching his older brother Skyrocket through the Disney machine in the 2000s. But when the daytime Emmy winning creator finally decided to step in front of the camera for Off the Grid, a YouTube series he did with his brother, everything changed. He found himself not only competing on traders and meeting his new platonic life mate, but walking away as a winner and a new social media sensation. Then he was my fellow dance competitor on the pop culture juggernaut that is season 34 of Dancing with the Stars, going viral and finishing fourth, finally landing the title he actually wanted. People magazines sexiest tattoo. Sure, these two reality TV titans are cool now, but I can tell deep down they're just two boys with a plethora of mortifying stories from high school. So please welcome to team beat the modern day Wayne and Garth, Dylan Efron and Boston Rob Mariano. I can just give a moment of appreciation for how good that was. I'm saying podcast and I'm blown away every time. Like the whole time it was happening, I was like what is going on? It's insane. Like the talent. Yeah, it's unbelievable. No, no, no. It is so good. The first podcast I was on with, I was like, do you have nearly audio? I was like, do you have any other cool, nearly audio books? Because I want to listen to one. I thought it was like one of those romance novels you listen to. Like the star of one. And then I was like, wait, what is this? And then also this podcast about sharing our feelings. Someone from the bottom of my head. What? And give him the memo. No, I did. I did. You know this strategy. You always stand back. Oh, boys, I am thrilled to have what I've just decided is my reality show alliance. The three of us, we've never really your show, your web series is the first time we had to work together. And yet we were still on opposing teams. It's hard to go against them, is it? It's so hard to do. Yeah, you work at hard. You got to Boston Massachusetts sweater on. I really tried. I know. I can't. I'm losing the fight. I had to butter you up because I mentioned that like how do I get in? How do I get in? It's working. We'll see how it goes. So for those keeping score at home, I have forced their friendship into a trio and I'm just totally fine with it. So first, since I am sitting with two reality show strategy legends, I wanted to know, were you both always competitive as kids? Oh, yeah. I was. Yeah. My parents still say to the state of I used to cheat at Yatsi. I'm like, Yatsi is hard to cheat on. You got to wait till they look away. And you moved the day. I hated to lose. I was like, oldest child. I had a brother, a younger brother and younger sister and grew up in Boston and like nobody let me get away with anything. So it was like constantly, you have to earn it. And like if you wanted to be on top, you had to be competitive. You also played hockey, right? I still play hockey. Did you play at Boston University? I did not play at Boston University. Okay. It's like the senior world cop or something. Yeah, yeah. All American. There's 60 or no 50. 50 or 40. What? You're the older person we can play. That's it. Oh, the AARP. Cup. ECH, I am. Did you win the AARP Cup? Listen, I'm working on it. I'm working on it. They're surprisingly good. What was teenage Boston Rob like? I imagine in fourth grade, you just ran like a weekly poker night or something. Not far after, not fourth grade, but probably like sixth, seventh grade. We started playing cards. Yeah. And it wasn't poker, but it was like those other games. But mostly sports. Yeah. I mean, ever since I was a kid, like I learned to skate when I was like two years old. Wow. Like I played hockey, played baseball, basketball, football, like every sport all the time. And really, I think like that's what my parents did to keep me out of any other trouble that was going on. So I was lucky enough I had a mom that would wake up at 5.30 in the morning on the weekends and drive us all over the state and played lots of hockey and sports. Would you feel like you were always good at reading people? You know, I don't know. I think like I've always been observant. And my dad was like a really good negotiator, like he was in real estate and stuff. So I would watch him. But I think a lot of it's innate. I don't think a lot of people can learn how to like like like either you got it, you don't I think because I've tried to tell people and some people are more receptive on paying attention to different things. But other people just naturally see it. Yeah. You're good at reading social cues and picking little things up. I like to tease a lot, you know, you could get the upper hand. Dylan, did you have childhood hobbies? Yeah, sports. Yeah, everything you was just saying was like I was playing year-round soccer, year-round baseball. It was like if I wasn't playing, I was at the sports field like playing with the wall. And it was just year-round some sport. I was never the best at any of them. Like that was pretty good and all-star and most of them. But I was never the best player on the team. My talent was that I could pick up any sport really quick. So I was like, when baseball got too frustrating, like I was just like, all right, I'm over this. So it took so much time. I was like, I'm going to go tennis. And I made the varsity team for tennis. So it's like I could pick up sports really quick. Okay. So it was volleyball. It was tennis. It was soccer. It was baseball. Yeah, dancing. Whatever sport it was, I could pick up good. I was never the best. Okay. When did you start really like truly caring about fitness? Like, did you guys grow up with a home gym? That was something like my brother would come home because I was growing up, I was big for my age and Zach was shorter. So then Zach took off hip puberty was, all of a sudden came back and had muscles. And I could see that like, oh, you can actually get muscles. So like I would just work out with him, see what he was doing. He's always reading fitness magazines. This is back like early 2000s or whatever. So it was like, he's literally reading the magazines for workouts and I would just copy him. Okay. So that's when I started getting to the gym. And again, when sports had started to help, like I started to put up, I was six foot a buck 50 and then I started putting on muscle. Yeah, you know, it's funny. Like I had like almost the opposite. So I was the older brother and my younger brother grew first. And he was bigger than me at one point, like three inches taller and played on like a different hockey team. And he was like the star and I was like second fiddle. And then I caught up and you know, like, but it was always cool. Like I always hear you tell the story about your older brother and how much like you always like looked up to him and stuff in a weird kind of way. Like my younger brother, when he was bigger than me, he always still respected me as the older brother. And like to this day, we like still have a great relationship. Yeah. No, it's so racist. I got dragged around the state for all the hockey games and we put her in net and played goalie. Peter played goalie. But, uh, well, yeah, it's similar but different. Yeah, because I think that if they worked in both of our advantages, it was like I was tall. I was in like athletics. So I straight into sports. Zach was more in the arts. And when you're younger brothers competing with you in basketball and winning, it's like maybe that's not your sport. Exactly. He's like leans into what he's good at. It was good for us both. When you were really little, did your parents try to separate like I have two sons, which is why I'm asking this question. They're two years apart and both of them will they like the same thing or at least they think they like the same thing. Oh, Adler's favorite color is blue. Keaton's favorite color is blue. And I'm really trying to encourage them that like it doesn't have to be your favorite color though. Like green could be your favorite color. And for a long time, it was bothering Adler that he's like everything I like, Keaton likes. And now they're starting to find their own things. Did your parents nurture that or did they like encourage you guys to do a lot of things that? I think it was different. It was almost exact opposite. He was like pink. I was like, I think we were so different in a lot of those ways. Again, my brother was in plays and stuff. I was like, there's no chance that one. And my friends didn't go to it. I was always shocked. I'm like, how is my brother making plays cool when I'm in high school and plays aren't cool? And it was just like, is it a different era? Is it my brother? I was stuff like that. So like, yeah, we didn't have too many overlap in our hobbies. Okay. I see. Give me the worst fashion decisions that young Dylan Efron and young Rob Mariano made. What did what was like, do you think back and you think of those family photos? And my styles are same. It hasn't changed in 40 years. That's the problem. I still rocked the white all white Adita Shelto's jeans, black t-shirt or dark t-shirt in a back with dad. It's like my dad. My dad's just the same for so long that the style is back now. Yeah, back. Back. But now he's changing it. I mean, I was in culture. So I was like, no, go back to him. That's cool. I mean, fashion was never really like a thought for me. I can't say that. There was a period of time, like probably like middle school to early high school where like, there was a fancy pair of jeans called Chibot jeans and everybody wanted them. Do you ever have some Zika have a reach? I didn't have them, but some of the kids did. But like, I mean, it wasn't really something I really thought about. I did in high school. You know how you get like yearbook awards or whatever. I was best dressed and in my photo, I was wearing cut off cords and a flannel. But I'd say my biggest fashion faux pas was my hair because I had long hair, like long hair, like feminine. Long hair was not feminine looking hair as a like in my middle school years where I'm looking feminine already. So it was like that set. Yeah, I don't think long hair was the choice back. I loved it. I loved being different in that way, but yeah, it was like until I started looking a little more masculine, it probably wasn't for me. Were you wearing converse in your best dressed photo? I feel like. I bet I, or Vans probably. Yeah, it's probably Vans brown cut off cords and a flannel. I won best hair for my high school years. Yeah, yeah, yeah, thanks. Back in 1999, that was my super relative. I think hair for guys is one of those things that, at least for me, like I would never have noticed hair as a kid. Right. Like someone's good. I don't have. I have plenty of hair. You've got to pull it in here. But as you get older, hair is like hot. You're like, oh, she's got good hair. That is not like high school, you're not looking at hair. Yeah, that's an acquired matured hair. It is. So we start noticing you. Like you know, he's got a good hair. He's Lauren from Dancing with the Stars. I was standing next to her when I was. Are you ready? Yeah. I was like, oh, you got a great hair. And she's like, wow, not really people told you that. That's really good. I know. She's gorgeous hair. I have admitted that my first kiss is on television. I had never kissed a boy before that very first episode of Boy Meets World where I had to slam a young Ben Savage up against a locker and kiss him. So my first kiss happened in front of my parents because we didn't rehearse it during the week. So when we taped it in front of the live studio audience, my parents and my grandparents were present for my first real kiss. I want to hear about your first kisses. What was your first kiss? How old were you? You take it. I remember my first kiss. I was in sixth grade. And school, we just moved from, I grew up in like a part of the city of Boston and my parents moved to like the suburbs. So it was the end of sixth grade year before summer. And I had a girlfriend and it was supposed to be, you know, summer was coming and to make an official I had to give her a kiss. And I remember we went, there was a lake by the house and I was so nervous. I remember and I just went, we went for a walk down by the lake and I kissed there. Did you know it was coming back? I don't know. Like I think she probably wanted it a lot longer than I did. So no, like the first real kiss. That's what you talk about. Real kiss. Real like French kiss. I'm just going back going, I haven't heard it a while. Now I'm finishing him with all his Boston bros, be like, my French kiss through. I know, it was like it was like, it was like, it was like something. How'd it go? Are you good? Yeah, yeah, good. But lead an up to it, I'm so nervous. Did you kiss her? Yeah, French kiss through. No, no, I mean, that was a different shirt. We didn't have to say that. I was under stood, bro. Just bragging to your body. I hate you. This is a friendship based on hate. Not love. We're competing against each other too much though. All right, what's your first kiss? I'm nearly positive. I was at a dance in seventh grade and it was like classic grinding and stuff like that. Oh, grinding. Oh, we did grinding. Sweetest grinding. Sweetest grinding. I was definitely the sweet spot where it was like every dance was just grinding. There's always like, chaperones. They're like, hey, separate, separate. Yeah, I think it was grinding and then we turned around and had a little action. A little action. A little French friend. We called action something else. Mine went like, my came late. Mine wasn't full French. It was like, like, fun show, like uncomfortable talking about all of this. I don't know how lucky I am. I think they're like, like, you didn't tell me about it beforehand. I can't say it was a great, I wasn't full French yet. That's a work to do. It wasn't full, you hadn't gone full French. Okay. All right. Would you guys have called yourselves cool in high school? No. Yeah, I think I'd, I had cool friends. Yeah. And I think I was, I could go both sides. That was kind of a dark too. Okay. What made you a dork? I still wanted to get good grades. I remember, like, and it just depends on the year. I think my dorkiest year was probably seventh grade. I remember I would skip recess to just go into like, like, I was, it was like that age where you were writing poems and stuff like that. I didn't have that age. I don't even, I don't even, he's like, who interests that? I don't even know if my ears are actually work. Yeah. I guess there is stage where you go through writing poems. Do you? I loved writing. It was like, I would like go there early to start writing. Like other than like when your teacher is teaching you about different high schools and shit and you have to like, you have to do it. Oh, I cute about it. Yeah, I loved it. See, like, so I was a little dorky, but then I had really cool friends too. So I was like, it just depends on the year. I had some super dorky years and I had some ones where I felt cooler. You must have been cool. I felt, I always felt like in the middle. Okay. Like, they were always some kids that were like way cooler, but I wasn't like on the bottom. Like I always felt in the middle. Yeah. And I think like growing up like my parents, like they made a conscious effort to always make sure that we were kind of like in the middle of like, you know, like where we lived, like how much they gave us, how much, you know, like we did, we had to work for like stuff, but also like, you know, not on the extreme. And I think that helped a lot. It's really smart. You don't want to ever want to be an outlier. Outliers. I think it's hard. Yeah. Yeah. Would you two have been friends in high school? I think maybe. Yeah. I think we would have. I think we would have. I think we would have. I think we would have. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think over sports we would have. And then we probably just what I got separated when I went to like the AP classes and I was actually looking smart. The goal, Dylan doesn't even know. I actually, there's a true story. Yeah. And then I got to the college to go to Harvard University as an undergrad for physics. And as a junior in high school and I went and I took the college level class, the physics class at Harvard when I was a junior in high school. And he's wondering whether or not it's true or not, but it is true. I believe it's true. Yeah. Wow. Physics. I loved like, like see here's a thing. I never knew what like different professions were, which is ridiculous to think about. I went to college, like I didn't know what an engineer did. If I did, I would have been an engineer because I love that kind of stuff. Like I have that kind of brain and stuff, but I thought an engineer was someone that drove a train and that was it. I didn't know what the college of engineering was. I was like, wow, like people paying a lot so they can go drive trains, which is really dumb. And I get it now. How dumb it is. And it's like, yeah, you probably wouldn't have made it as an engineer, but I would have. I like that kind of stuff. Wow. That's really impressive. That was terrible at like grandma and English. This makes it really, really having an argument over what the equation of buoyancy was. Last night. Last night. Yeah. What is the equation of buoyancy? We'll see. Boancy equals mass, mass volume, grad, density. You guys remember this from school or? We were discussing it and yeah, Chad G.B.T. helped us. Both of us together were almost got the full equation. So close. Not bad. 30 years removed. That's pretty good. I took two physics class, but my second one I realized it wasn't that good. On the second one. Yeah, second one. I'm not sure. I only had two AP classes. I didn't have all of them. I had a lot, but my school was also pretty sick. They offered a lot. We know that you met your girlfriend Courtney and actual human angel that I love. Yes, she's incredible. In high school. Do you remember asking her to be your girlfriend? Oh, the actual ask. It happened super organically, but I remember we like we both remember locking eyes in the math hall. That was the first time we saw each other. She said she knew who I was and I was the older kid. She always knew who I was, but that was the first time that we locked eyes and we're like, hey. Wow. But then I think I reached out on my space. Oh my gosh, my space. And then we played tennis and she didn't know me. I'm pretty quirky. Again, once you get to know me, so again, I'm just doing my own thing. I was like, hey, you want to play tennis? We played for a little bit. I was like, I'm thirsty. I'm going to go to Jamba Juice. And then I left and she was like, oh, that went awful. Yeah, she told me a way later. She's like, why did you leave to go to Jamba Juice? I was like, I'm thirsty. And she's like, no, like I thought you were like hated. Did she? Yeah. I was like, I don't know. We had just started playing tennis after locking eyes in the math hall and you left me for a job. It's good, bro. You were playing hard to get. I like it. It works. That's just me. I was like, I think I'm like a one thing. Did you offer her a job at you? I have no idea. I have no idea. I have no idea if I didn't or what. I thought the day weren't great. So I had an idea. It was over. Just over time for juice. I think it's like the same way like when Courtney and I have conversations. Sometimes I'm like, all right, we said what we're going to say, but she'll keep talking. I think it was just one of those where I'm like, oh, yeah, like we're done. I had no idea. Did you have high school sweetheart? I had a couple different girlfriends in high school. So I was really happy to be sweetheart. Rob, you were a superstar in that first massive wave of reality TV. But you were also the perfect demo for its birth on MTV. Did you watch a lot of real world? I did it. I knew it. None of it. Really. It was so wild. Even a pying to be on survivor. It was kind of just like a spur of the moment thing. Yeah. And I could have never imagined. But I didn't. I didn't watch any of those other. I still don't know. Like now it's the challenge. Like we did trainers last season. I met some of those people, but I realized that came from that now. Did you watch it? Yeah. Of course. That was the craziest thing about walking into it. Because I only watched it when I was young. Wait, you watched the old real world? Yeah, that's when I saw Wes. I was like, hold, like I don't, I watched like it was always on school. Like, same way, it's world was. I was on channel 45. This would have been on channel 60. But like I watched like a few seasons here and there. But Wes was so iconic in those seasons. So I met him. I was like, I used to watch you as a kid. And he's like, you're making me feel old. Right. What's so crazy is like, he is old. He's not. He's not. So you watch me run. No, when I was like, I was watching this when I'm 12 or something. He's like 17, 18. Like he was so young. Yeah, no, no. He was like, he was fighting, starting fights. He was just like strong. It's crazy that we're like six years apart, whatever we are. Yeah. But like, it feels like, yeah, I felt like I was watching a grown man getting fights and stuff like that. But he was 18. It's wild, man. Like, like the whole way that it's gone for so long, you know? You also though, we're in Boston right around the time of new kids on the block. Were you a blocker? No, but I remember when that was like a whole thing. You did. Yeah. Do you know any of them? So. Tell the story. So the part of Boston where I grew up was called Hypoch. And it's like a section of Greater Boston. And like once a year in the summer, they had these thing called Hypoch days. Where they blocked down the streets. And it was basically like a block party. Like the businesses would go out sell food and whatever. And the new kids were brand new and they were doing like a local performance. Like they were just getting started. They were big, you know, and it was like Donnie Walbert and like Jordan. I can't remember them all. Make night. Yeah. But we had a gym that we used to play basketball and called the municipal building. And every day we go there, me and all my friends would play basketball. Well, it's high park day. So we go on a basketball and the gym was closed down because the new kids and Mark Walbert, Mark at the time was there. And we got into a little bit of a scuffle. You found it. No, no, we didn't fight. But they were like words back and forth. Like this is our gym. What are you doing here? And they closed it down for them to play while they did it. And it's funny because years later Donnie had a movie come out on Mark. I can't remember which one. One of them had a movie come out Huckabees and they had a big premiere in Connecticut at Mohican Sun with a golf tournament. So it was the first time I saw him 20 years later. And like I was like, hey, do you remember this time? And he like looked at me. He's like, were you there? And I was like, yeah. That was me. But everybody loved the new kid. They're great now. Like we're good. Everybody loved them. They were huge. New kids on the block were for sure. It was. I didn't have to. It was a lot so fun. It was a lot so fun. But there's like Chinese food. That's not that. That's not that. No, that's not that. That's not that. That's five. I love that. I'm not saying any of the songs. But I know. They reference New Kids in the back. So what was the music you listen to as a kid or a team? Oh, really bad music. Yeah. I think a lot of like rap music, like gangster rap music, like classic rock. Like my dad is like, you know, Beatles era, Bob Dylan 60s. So like my dad played guitar and my brother played guitar. I have no musical ability at all. But I grew up listening to their generation music and the trash that was in our generation. Don't follow trash. I know. But looking back, like there was some like hard rock, like death leopard, you know, arrow Smith, obviously Boston band. They were big. I love music, but like it wasn't like a big thing in my life. Yeah. What was on your earliest iPod, Dylan? Oh, gosh, it wasn't even an iPod. It was a Rio. Oh, really? All right. I mean, my dad was a little budget finder. Yeah, I love that. I love that. Your dad's like, I'm going to find a deal. Yeah. I think I got the Rio. It was like a little red iPod looking thing. Oh, my God. Yeah, that was a blue one. But I'm shocked. I remember the name. I'm probably held like a hundred songs. We had a cool mix where I grew up in the Central Coast because we got a lot of Bay Area rap influence. So like Andre and Katina and a bunch of like cool rap influence from there, but then some SoCal as well. So it was a weird mix of like guitar, like more like Jack Johnson type stuff and like yeah, and some cool like indie rap. Yeah. That's that was pretty much my list. Well now we get to see grown up Dylan and Rob take their competitive streaks to a whole new level with everything's a competition, a YouTube show where the two of you are going head to head in various challenges from pottery to medieval times duels. Where did this concept come from? All from Dylan's brain. I'm just here for the ride. It's like it's like we're in preschool kindergarten. He has like some unfinished business and he wants to settle it all first off. As I lost in the fifth grade, he's a classic. I need redemption. Like we're literally talking about like the dropping eggs from heights and like are kids just like that. And he has the bike. I see that's good. I did it. I did it when I was a kid. Yeah. I was telling him I made like airbags were like brand new airbags and cars. And like I built a tube with like two balloons on each hand and put the egg in the middle. How did airbags work? Is it was it Ori and Flayton or did you have the mechanism actually going in? No, I was already inflated. He was in an engineer. So he probably just invented airbags. I'm not doing any airbags. How do you do that? Just your parents car. We used to pull noodle. So we cut a pool noodle and then cut the sides, put the noodle around it and then wrapped that to really absorb. I'm so badly want to share my strategy but I'm probably going to reuse it if we shoot this episode. I have a new one and I was like I'm glad you said that because I was just going to tell you I have the full proof one that I know works every time but I'm not saying it now because you just said that. I'm going to do that. So. Yeah, that's how it goes. Okay, I see. I mean, do we want to talk about the episode we just did? Yeah, let's talk about it. Yeah, he's all excited. He just had so much fun playing live fruit ninja. Yes. We had a real ninja master. Master's sharpened game from Dragons MMA. Dragons martial arts where my kids go to karate and I have taken classes and he brought a katana sword that had never been used. So sharp razor sharp razor sharp dragons engraved on it. Just a beautiful sword is cooler than I could have imagined a sword would be right now you're like in the source. Yeah, I've always been in the source. So do we want to talk about how it went? We've broke up into teams. Dylan and I were on a team. Robin Jensen were on a team. Yeah, I would say this was a really non competitive episode. We didn't really care about when it was just so fun. The most climactic episode that we've had yet came down to the last very last fruit swing. We were cheering everyone on. I was so happy Jensen got it. Yeah, it was so good. It was just like we were latched. It wasn't really cool. Yeah, which was cool. It was a cool change. It's not be so competitive for an episode. Okay. You guys want the truth? It was painful. It was actually a lot of fun. It was. I worked a lot like some of these I the routine in this show is that my five year old brain comes up with a concept of busting Rob just tries to pick apart hates on it. Then he wins and says that was so much fun. I wish we had a montage of him just so happy he wins and goes that was so much fun. That was a great idea. It's your version of Howard Stern's the hate list. Now, around the end of the year, they do a compilation of every time throughout the year he says I hate something. I hate lines. I hate the cold. You would have that was so much fun. I really did. This one was a lot of fun. Usually he doesn't tell me about it and he's changing the rules. The best one we shot. I don't know if it's our best episode, but it was so fun because we did a fire making challenge, which we hadn't thought of for some weird reason. It was actually the first time I've seen him nervous. It's a loose loose situation for me Daniel. I'm the guy that should know how to do the fire. If I do it and I win, it looks like I'm dunking on him. He came up with the idea. But if I lose, I look like a complete... And his credit, he didn't complain. I don't even know if I want to tell him because how funny would it be if I just walked in and do about how I can't do that to him. I haven't cheated. I haven't researched stuff. I was like, I got to tell him what it is. He was down, but it was literally like he showed no nerves. It was right before I just even going like... He's like legit doing like... I need it, ex house. It's like all on the line. And the very beginning, his fire started. This is Faulty Wood. This is Morgan. And he's just... Yeah, one thing after that. He was... It's seeing him stress for that minute was so great. Imagine if... The competition was a sit-up challenge or pull-up challenge. And all of a sudden, I take the lead. No, trust me. Like, look, I'm saying I fully understand. I give you props for stepping over the plate, but it was so cool to see. We don't let free your attention. Needless to say, he ended and he said, well, I'm going to need redemption. We're going to do that again. I'm just saying, every single episode, it's like, you know what, it was really like... When we leave. When we leave here, we're going to get in the car. And he's going to go, you know, that was a really great episode. I think like if we did it again, right? And next time, we'll just alternate through Tsoar. I think Master Shervin's going to be coming back because we're doing knife throwing. We're going to tap into the sense. Master Shervin is your guy, for sure. This is where we run into issues a lot, though, because we come up with a plan and we change it last second. Yeah. Because we are the ones that ultimately in control of it. And when we make changes on the fly, sometimes we should have stuck with our gut. So it's hard. We need like... This is him. I'm going to give you the inside baseball. This is him mad about a challenge that he lost yesterday. No, it's not the first time it's happened, though. But it's like we bolt a grade to it. No, no, no, I'm saying that's the danger. Is like our rules are so flimsy. And ultimately, I'm making them the day before. So then he's like, oh, I don't think this rules fair. And then I'm like, oh, maybe it isn't. So it's like ultimately when the show scales up, we need to have like a rulemaker. Yeah, we just show independent rulemaker that's not on your side. That's why today I said Mr. Shervin needs to be the one. Yeah, agree. Because then you have someone who goes, all right, I heard the rules myself. Yes. And now I'll be the person to do it. And I have to give it to Mr. Shervin because he was a man of loyalty and integrity. When Dylan did not cut the fruit, he said that. Unlike in a previous episode, when we were lawn bowling, and every single advantage went right to it. But he thinks I set the up. I didn't. I showed up. I didn't. And anyone can confirm, I don't know this guy. It was just from my first role. He was like, this guy's good. And he sucked out to me. I can't deny that. But he thinks I know this guy. Don't. Don't know. Let me just tell you why. I never want to tell you why I think. Because certain challenges we do, right? It's supposed to be even playing field. Yes. Nobody's supposed to have an advantage. That's true. Two separate occasions now. Dylan's created challenges. And we found out after that, he has intimate knowledge of the event. We went to go do ceramics. And after the event is all about, oh, Dylan took a ceramics class in high school. And the thing that he just goes in one of your out the other is I've never done the wheel. And what did you do to class? I got ceramics. I did it. I got a C from pinching clay. It was my least favorite class I ever did. But I was there pinching pots. And he's like, oh, he did this. This is nullified. I'm like, what about the boat we got? The boat we got I did in high school as one of these things. I built about 15 years ago. So when we were going to tell him, he never told me about it. Oh, we had a challenge, Rob. We're going to build boats out of cardboard. And we're going to race him. And then Courtney comes in and goes, oh, this is just like you did in high school. That's the stuff. What's wrong? What? I mean, Dylan would never say that having a dance experience in high school. We tried to get people to do a dancing competition, right? Ask because you know what would be great? We should do a dance off. I'll get my friend this. We could do a dance off. Let's do a flex competition. Danny, Danny can be the judge. Yeah, Danny would just, Danny will be my partner. And you know, you bring someone from home. So I want to hear me because he does the same stuff. No, the amount of times he wanted to do an eating competition. I would tell him he doesn't have any holidays. Like, oh, what if we do a green light challenge? Whoever can keep the green light on. I'm like, I was folded in a challenge. Yeah, we're in fun. I was doing beer. He got to say, it's, it happens both ways. He's just more influenced. So he says, he's here. No. These are good, special episodes where you guys get to pick the, you know, like you're going to do the Boston Rob episode. And it's like three things he gets to pick. No, we already did. We already did fire making, but he likes the new. You chose that. You came up with that somehow it's a loose loose. No matter what it is, it is. People are going to be like, well, of course, you're the most to win that. Like, why are you guys doing everything that's so easy for Rob? It's just too bad. It's bad. And I'm like, what can I think? We're doing a spelling bee later today. And like for somehow, like I, I was good in seventh grade. And then later, you were good in seventh grade. See? This is what I mean is skewed. So bad. This is why. It's like, you would think I'm a national spelling bee, too. Oh my gosh. Rob, I've met your daughters. They're all amazing. Would you ever encourage them to be on survivor? If they want to. Yeah. But not yet. Like I really think like there's a sweet spot. You have to be, you have to have a certain amount of life experience to be able to participate in that show well. Right. I remember the season I won. I went all the way to the end with the girl, still friends with great girl, Natalie Tenerle. She's only 19 at the time. And she just didn't have enough life experience to navigate, you know, the deception, the all of it. So I think like, you know, at some point, if that's something they want to do, for sure they can do it. Yeah, I wouldn't stop. Wow. Would you ever go on survivor? You can kill it on survivor. Yeah. Like I grew up loving that show. So I think it would be super fun. But it's, it's, it's weird now because like that show, they don't cast people that are known. Right. Your ship has sailed. I, unless they did a different version, I, it might just be one of those ones where you would get picked up, picked out early. I don't know. Like, I don't know. They've had you'd be great. Yeah. If you listened, I'll tell you you have to listen though. Yeah. Like that was my first love of a show. Like when Courtney still says to this day, like she was like, I was convinced you're going to go on that show because I was so adamant as a kid. I was like, I'm going to go on the show. Yeah. Yeah. Um, but yeah, I like, it was the athletic stuff. I really like wanted to go spear fish. I wanted to go live on an island. I wanted to do the challenges and the show has evolved a little bit away from that stuff that I love. Yeah. So that is the fun part. That's the part of the show that I love. Even though like I'm known for the strategy part and the deception and the cutthroat, like the part that really initially drew me to it was exactly what you're talking about. The adventure. And we were literally just talking about this like strategy wise, like my dream was to go spear fish. Like it's so funny for me watching the show as a spear fisherman and seeing people like shoot refish and like in three foot of water. It's like, no, I'd go beyond the break and spear fish. But in the show today, you can't do that. It's moving so fast that if you go out and spear fish for four hours, you're going to be voted out. Yeah. So it's, it's, it's tough. I want to do it. I still want to do it. I would play the game as it is for sure. Yeah. I like, I like games where there I love physical challenges. I like, I'm up for anything that's a physical challenge. The deception, lying stuff would just be I'm like, I would just like, I don't know. No. You just say, I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. Like when we were kids, there was a show doubled there. Yes. I love that show. And I don't like understand how anybody would ever not go for the physical challenge. Yes. Like that was like the initial, you know, idea. And like that adventure part of it, the obstacle course is it brings out your inner kid. I think a little bit show from a long time ago where it was like at the very, the last obstacle was they had to climb up Mount Fuji or whatever. Yes. I'm so called. Different teams of like two. I used to love them. Is that also on Nickelodeon? I think it was. What was it? God's, God's. Oh my God. God, the aggro crack. Yeah, that show and then the one where there was like, like they would have to go through the jungle and then those scary people would pop out. Do you remember that one? I don't know. Legends on the Nintendo, but like that was my jam. I always wanted to do that. Well, like your kids are young. They're at the age where like they love to go to the park, right? So I remember when my kids were that young, like how much fun they loved going to the park. And I always thought like they should do a show, they'll give it away now, right? Whatever the playground, but for adults, where you get to play all the games and there's some kind of built-in challenge to it. It's a good idea. I think we can do that. Yeah. You versus me on T-Dirt Shatter? Oh my gosh. How about hold it on the rounder? Yeah. How many times? How'd you break your back with T-Dirt conquer? They exceed the speed. That's what we'll do with measure. We'll get a radar gun. Yes, a radar who can spin it fast. You can spin the other person. Who get, yeah, that's what you got to do. And this is our creative process. I love it. You're seeing it live. Well, I love it. I love you both. Thank you for being here. As predicted, I had so much fun with Boston Rob and Dylan that I had to hold on to them for a second episode. So stay tuned to hear that where we take one of your stories on Friday. 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