Bachelor's Longest Drought Ever + Taylor Frankie Paul Custody | This Week in Bachelor Nation
74 min
•Apr 10, 20268 days agoSummary
This Game of Roses episode covers Bachelor Nation's unprecedented 10-day countdown to the longest official drought in franchise history (158+ days without new content), the fallout from Taylor Frankie Paul's scuttled bachelorette season, and the parasocial plays dominating reality TV this week. Hosts discuss franchise mismanagement, Netflix's controversial political casting practices, and celebrate the surprise success of Bachelor Mansion Takeover.
Insights
- The Bachelor franchise faces an existential crisis driven by self-inflicted wounds (Taylor Frankie Paul casting) rather than external factors like the pandemic, signaling deeper structural problems in decision-making
- Breaking a 23-year streak of annual Bachelor/Bachelorette content risks permanently fracturing the viewing culture and watch-party traditions that sustained the franchise's cultural relevance
- Netflix's claim of 'neutrality' on political casting while selectively editing pro-Trump content into Love Is Blind represents a deliberate editorial choice masked as documentary objectivity
- Celebrity casting (TFP) created measurable risk that producers acknowledged but accepted, then failed to mitigate when the predicted crisis occurred
- Reality TV franchises increasingly depend on influencer/celebrity leads to compete with fragmented streaming landscape, but this strategy introduces reputational and production vulnerabilities
Trends
Franchise fatigue and audience attrition from extended content droughts—casual viewers may not return even when content resumesPolitical polarization becoming explicit casting and editorial strategy in mainstream reality TV rather than incidental to castingCelebrity/influencer leads replacing traditional contestant-to-lead pipelines, shifting franchise economics and risk profilesLive or near-live production models (Love Island format) emerging as potential solution to production bottlenecks, but requiring infrastructure overhaulParasocial relationship monetization through Cameo, TikTok, and direct-to-camera confessionals becoming primary revenue stream for reality TV playersSpin-off proliferation (Summer House: In the City, Vanderpump Villa) as strategy to maintain franchise presence during main-show droughtsScuttled/shelved seasons becoming cultural artifacts and fan obsession points, creating secondary market for leaked contentReality TV players leveraging brand partnerships (Barbie/Coachella) to transcend reality TV typecasting and build luxury influencer positioning
Topics
Bachelor franchise production scheduling and content drought crisisTaylor Frankie Paul domestic violence allegations and custody proceedingsNetflix Love Is Blind political casting and editorial biasReality TV lead selection and celebrity casting strategyParasocial relationship dynamics and fourth-wall audience engagementSummer House franchise scandal and relationship timeline analysisBachelor Mansion Takeover format innovation and legacy player engagementReality TV player brand partnerships and influencer monetizationLove Island vs. Bachelor production model comparisonFranchise renewal and audience retention strategiesProtective orders and domestic violence in reality TVReality TV editing practices and narrative constructionBachelorette announcement timing and production logisticsAge of Attraction reunion boycott and soft-launch relationship signalingGolden Bachelor ratings decline and franchise health indicators
Companies
Netflix
Brandon Rieg (head of reality TV) defended controversial political casting practices in Love Is Blind, claiming neutr...
ABC
Parent network of The Bachelor franchise; executives stated they may skip seasons if unable to find 'good leads,' bre...
BetterHelp
Mental health therapy service; sponsored episode with ad about managing stress and anxiety
Tesco
UK grocery retailer; sponsored segment highlighting in-store services and discounts
Back Market
Refurbished tech marketplace; sponsored segment promoting discounted electronics
Magic Radio
UK radio station; sponsored segment promoting music programming
Bravo
Network airing Summer House: In the City spin-off featuring Whitney Fransway from Bachelor Nation
Love Island
Competing reality dating format discussed as production model alternative to traditional Bachelor format
Peacock
Streaming platform implied as potential home for future Bachelor content given NBC/Universal ownership
People
Taylor Frankie Paul
Scuttled bachelorette season after 2023 domestic violence video surfaced; currently in custody battle with Dakota Mor...
Dakota Mortensen
Subject of TFP domestic violence allegations; being removed from Vanderpump Villa despite already filming; filed prot...
Brandon Rieg
Defended Love Is Blind's political casting practices in Wired interview, claiming neutrality while selectively editin...
Joey Graziadei
Announced 2027 wedding date with Kelsey Anderson; represents successful franchise outcome amid broader crisis
Kelsey Anderson
Announced 2027 wedding date with Joey Graziadei via TikTok; daughter of Golden Bachelor contestant Mark Anderson
Courtney Robertson
Competed in Bachelor Mansion Takeover; received coaching from Pace Case during filming; demonstrated continued releva...
Noah Erb
Won $100,000 prize on Bachelor Mansion Takeover; created dynamic rivalry with Deanie Babies throughout competition
Alondria Carthen
Executed successful brand partnership with Barbie and Coachella; leveraged 'Bama Barbie' nickname to transcend realit...
Ashley Iaconetti
Transitioned from Bachelor to Real Housewives of Rhode Island; posted career retrospective from contestant to main ca...
Whitney Fransway
Bachelor Season 21 contestant joining Bravo's Summer House: In the City spin-off; represents franchise player migrati...
Pfeiffer Hill
Skipped Age of Attraction reunion via TikTok explanation; soft-launched new relationship with Japan trip conflicting ...
Michaela Matthews
Posted TikTok of husband Jace lip-syncing jealousy while watching her dance with Disney employee; achieved 2.7M views
Clayton Johnson
Posted Instagram reel applying to 'dad talk' featuring his dog Oliver; non-human parasocial play entry
Moura Higgins
Rumored as front-runner for next Bachelorette announcement; could bring Love Island audience to franchise
Grant Ellis
Last main Bachelor lead; finale aired March 24, 2025 (over 1 year ago); illustrates franchise content gap
Jen Tran
Last Bachelorette lead; finale aired September 3, 2024 (583 days ago); illustrates franchise content gap
Mel Owens
Last official Bachelor product; finale November 12, 2025; lowest-rated franchise entry; preceded current 148+ day dro...
Clay Eckard
Recorded Cameo video for pit members; provided motivational message with dance moves during franchise drought
Pace Case
Co-host analyzing Bachelor franchise crisis; received Cameo from Clay Eckard; owns cat Scobby
Bachelor Clues
Co-host analyzing Bachelor franchise crisis; conducting Summer House rewatch; received Cameo from Clay Eckard
Quotes
"We are 10 days away from the longest official bachelor drought in the history of the franchise. And that's 20 plus years."
Bachelor Clues•~15:00
"There ain't no pandemic. There's no outside event forcing the hand of the producers... They are making these decisions to cast Taylor Frankie Paul... They took that risk. It did not pay off."
Bachelor Clues•~35:00
"Half the country voted for Trump, right? Depending on where you go, you're going to just have the luck of the draw... And I think we're neutral on that."
Brandon Rieg, Netflix•~55:00
"This is an evil, the likes of which we have never seen in the reality TV dating franchise world."
Pace Case•~60:00
"I thought this franchise would outlast me... It feels like it's like these unforced errors."
Pace Case•~75:00
Full Transcript
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I don't know if I could keep this one in until the end of the episode. And we're going to be talking about the State of the Game, which is an interesting one. It's something that kind of came front of mind and I was like, wait a minute, let me Google something. Holy shit. And so we are now in a state of the game that we've never been in before. We're going to be talking about that, but we also must mention right now if you want to get some Game of Roses, go to GameofRoses.line. And you can get it. There's still a little bit left. And it ships. Oh, hey, look at that. Pace Case got it on display. Where'd you get that? If you're on the YouTube, Clues came over. Was that yesterday? No, two days ago. Two days ago. Oh my God. Clues gave me the rest of his supply. I had to think about it, too. I was like, wait a minute. Where was I yesterday? Jesus Christ. What happened to me yesterday? I'm doing fine. I'm sleeping the right amount. Same. I'm definitely not getting my toes bitten by my cat every five minutes because I'm not brushing him to the volume of his liking. Okay. Your scobbies creams are getting darker and darker. Our relationship has advanced, shall I say. Oh my God. Well, okay, all my M&M cookies yesterday. What's that? Look, I ate all my M&M cookies yesterday. Did you get them too? Or was it a stealth? Did I give them to him? No, he broke into it. Jesus. Stealth. And they're not supposed to eat chocolate, so. Scobby don't eat cookies, but he does add behaviors onto his pattern to behaviors, which I've worked very hard to get him in certain patterns so that I can be like, okay, I'll brush you for 20 minutes, then I'm going to go work. I've worked hard to get him in certain patterns is a funny way of saying training. I mean, whatever, we're all training somebody at this point in life, I guess, but he keeps adding new behaviors to the end of the patterns that prolong the time it takes to complete the pattern. Smart. So now I'm the one who's being patterned to his behaviors. That's a new thing? I think that's been. Yeah, I was in control at some point. I was. Hi, my name is Chad Colchin. I was in control at some point. Not anymore. For sure. That was passed. I am now no longer in control of my own actions now. Scobby the cat is in control of probably I would say 35% of all of my actions throughout the day. 35. I feel like it might be more considering after a lot of things. Night falls, then he takes major control. He's probably sitting at an 85 to 90% control of all my actions after the sun sets. He goes from 35 to 85 a night. Yeah, because he gets wild. He's hunting me and attacking me. Then once his rubbings, he wants to attack. Then he wants to be essentially brushed as hard as I can brush him. Then he demands what I call lovings. So I give those to him. He gets his brushings, then he gets his lovings. This feels like an intro package for like 90 day fiance or something. And the guy is like introducing his cat. Then he gets his rubbings. Yeah, exactly. And then also there's my fiance, Sarah. No, I love Scobby. I joke, but I do love him, but he does control my entire life almost. Alright, so that's it. Anyway, let's move on to the statement. Please give me his phone. Give it to him, for Jose. Two days ago. Look, I'm sorry. I feel like all of us at this point psychologically are probably falling apart to some degree. And a lot of it has to do with our Game of Roses. State of the game. So here's where we're at friends in the pit. Here's where we're at nation. We are 10 days away from the longest official bachelor drought in the history of the franchise. And that's 20 plus years. We do have a bachelor mansion takeover that just completed airing on Monday, but that is not on ABC. It is not a dating format in any way. It is not say in a title card. It's inspired by the bachelor. Yeah, so it's not bachelor presents. It's not even officially a bachelor product. We are right now. I think what are we? I have this text and now I it's too much. I can't read it all. I'll just go from where I wrote here. Bachelor presents listen to your heart finale. Remember that May 8th, 2020. I remember the finale. No, but I remember listen to your heart. I remember who won. I forget their names, but they then appeared on a date for Claire Crawley and Dale Moss singing to them. Remember that couple? Oh, oh my God. Yeah, it was on one of their one on ones. So that show finished airing its finale was on May 8th, 2020. Then we got bachelor at season 16 in the Claire Crawley season, October 13th, 2020, 158 days. That time period was the longest ever because of the pandemic that we had gone without an official bachelor product. Currently, the last official bachelor product was Golden Bachelor Season 2 Mel Owens. It's finale was November 12th, 2025. That was 148 days ago. So we are 10 days away from hitting that mark. So and we're obviously going to hit that. They haven't announced any new bachelor bachelor product. Certainly they haven't shot one. So nothing can come out in the next 10 days. We are going to break that ceiling. Golden Bachelor Season 2, which was our last official bachelor product, was the lowest rated bachelor product in the history of the franchise. Most of Bachelor Nation did not even watch that show. And like I said, now we're 10 days away from breaking the record. Clues, you literally brought this up this week. We have not been talking about this date specifically surpassing this threshold. You had like spidey senses that we were about to be in the longest drought ever. Like, I couldn't believe it. Now, the reason it kind of hit me, I wasn't even thinking of Mel Owens. I was thinking of the other main games, the last bachelor we had. Grant Ellis, his finale was March 24th, 2025, over a year ago. The last bachelorette we had was Jen Tran. Her finale was September 3rd, 2024, 583 days over a year and a half ago. It's 2026. Yeah. For those who think 2024 might have just happened. No. Yeah, there was a whole year in between that one and this one. 583 days. That is insane. I know. I know. For a show that's not canceled. I mean, we know what has happened. But this is like, this is this weird stutter stepping that they started doing after Jen Tran season where it was like, well, remember the one ABC Executive didn't interview where he was like, we may not do one every year. It depends on if we can find good leads. Yeah. We just need to find the right lead. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Oh, the darkness. But the idea that they could start like skipping the main games was really kind of initiated last year in 2025 when we found out we weren't going to be getting a bachelorette that year. And everybody was like, wait, what? It was Grant Ellis and then no bachelorette. And then we had this weird, there was Golden Bachelorette. There was Bachelor in Paradise season 10. And that was the roster. And it messed with Bachelor in Paradise too because you don't have the same player pools. Exactly. This has never happened in the history of this franchise since season one in 2002. ABC has aired a bachelor or bachelorette product every year. And most years, one of each. In some years, more than one bachelorette, like in 2021, when we had Katie Thurston, bachelorette season 17 in August. And Michelle Young, bachelor at season 18 in November. However, this wasn't the plan. That's what we all know. No, clearly. We know that there is a season right now sitting on a hard drive of Taylor Frankie Paul. There's a full bachelorette season. The scuttle season. Most people are never going to get to see most people. Most people. I love your hope for this. It's simply not hope. I don't know how to explain this. I wouldn't call it manifestation exactly, but we are going to physically see the season, you and I. Because I've already seen it. Up here. In the Astral Plane? Up here. Yeah. Well, to some degree. You'll see. We'll get to my screen. I want to see it outside of the Astral Plane. Yeah. In the physical space. I feel very confident. I can pull it from the Astral Plane and bring it to us here on this small rock. I feel like at least the first episode seems like that. I mean, that went out to so many people. That's what I mean. We had the screener. We could have watched it. I know we could have watched it. That one feels like there's no way we can't get it again. Somehow. I'm going to do what I'm going to do. And we're going to have that season. The whole thing. Okay. We're going to be in the audience at the after the final rose. Now, DLP. We are. Taylor, Frankie, Paul won't be there. None of the players from the season will be there, but I'll set it up. We'll have our own after the final rose. Okay. That's fun. This is my question to you. In terms of what we're talking about here, the longest dry spell in the history of the franchise. Do you think, or I guess let me ask, what do you think is the damage being done to the nation as a result of this? There is so much damage that has been done to the nation in the last several years. In one of our recent episodes, you went through kind of the big decision making that had been happening in the last few years. And when you put it like that, I was like, oh my God, like it really felt like you're over correcting back and forth and making like wild ass decisions. And the people who are still hanging on. I mean, there's not that many. It was us and who watching mellow ends, you know. Yeah, but I mean, mel owns was a whole different thing. Like I kind of view it like this. The prior dry spell was obviously due to a global pandemic. It was through no fault of the franchise. They weren't making bad decisions per se. They were just kind of, oh shit, we can't shoot clear crawly season. We got to take five months off. Now we're shooting it. And obviously that season had some disastrous consequences. You blew up the bachelor at they had to get a it was the only factor. The first season was too strong. And that was because of the pandemic. She could look at it. Exactly. So that's really the reason. There are a lot of things that I think were outside the control of the franchise. And I do believe the people producing the show at that time. Some creative decisions I didn't agree with. But I think those people were doing the best they could in the circumstances of trying to shoot a network reality TV dating show that requires 30 plus people in the same place at the same time, all making out with each other. I think they did the best they could. I don't begrudge them really any of the errors through the bubble seasons, except Chris Harrison's massive fucking racism comments. I do blame him for those. But what is happening now is something 100% different. There ain't no pandemic. There's no outside event forcing the hand of the producers to like produce a bad season or have to all like hunker down in a resort somewhere and not leave the premises. None of that is happening. They are making these decisions to cast Taylor Frankie Paul, which again, I don't I will stand by this. I don't think that was necessarily a bad decision to cast a celebrity. Her specifically even. I don't necessarily think it was bad. She she was the big star of this other reality franchise. I can see why they did that. Then this video drops. They have to scuttle it. And that was a risk they ran in casting her some version of this exact thing that happened. They knew that that was possible to happen if they watched Episode One of Secret Lives and Mormon Wives, you know, it's on camera. It's in the show. So they took that risk. It did not pay off. And now we're we're sitting in this spot where it looks very much to me as some somebody like technically outside of the franchise, not, you know, gainfully. Definitely not in the toilets in Bachelor Mansion as we speak. Yeah. Yeah. But it currently is not living in the toilet at Bachelor Mansion currently. It just looks very much to me like. All of this is the fault of the people in charge of the franchise that they have made these terrible decisions that have that are now leading us into the longest period without Bachelor product that has ever happened since its inception. And I don't know, like, to the kind of casual fan of Bachelor or maybe even just a casual fan of reality dating formats. Does any of this matter? Does it even register? Right. Like if you're not following this news, do you even know that there was a Taylor Franke Paul season that they scuttled? I mean, that made headlines. Maybe I do think that when they switched from we're doing this every year, that probably only die hard fans really like notice that kind of thing. I think most people, oh, they see the promo. Oh, there's a new one on. They're not like, oh, it's the time of year where they should be. I just think of like all the people who in the heyday of this show and I think it's still still happened again. We have we're in a period where it can't happen, but I'm talking about watch parties. I think that there are a lot of people who had those on Monday nights and like even like how we used to fucking watch it. I'm not saying that was like a blowout watch party, but it was like you, me and Erica would get together every fucking Monday night, smoke weed, eat pizza and watch the God damn Bachelor and take. 2,500 pictures of the TV screen and you would write a five thousand word essay. No normal shit. Very normal. I will. And the thing is I. I feel like most people plan their watch parties when the promo comes out. Yeah, totally. But there's that that vibe or at least there used to be, which has now been broken for a couple of years. But there was that like, oh, shit, you have Christmas, you have New Year's, you know, January in the next couple of weeks. There's going to be a new bachelor and it kind of like restarts your year. You're watching the season. You're having your fun Monday night watch parties. That thing has been gone for over a year now. And so it's like, I don't know. Once that kind of dissipates, do people get revved back up for it when finally there is a new show? But now it's going to be even with Taylor Franky Paul. It was going to be on Sundays and it's not airing till March. So they have they've kind of like fucked with the regular viewing cycle to such a degree. I don't know if you can get it back, but maybe you can. Maybe it'll it'll be the exact opposite that when it finally is announced, if it's going to be more Higgins or whatever, you know, oh, shit, it's happening. We're going to be able to have watch parties again. And here's the release date. Maybe that will reenergize the nation to kind of take up the the old viewing practices and the old enthusiasm. I don't know. I think you can get it back, but it's not guaranteed because, you know, part of what made the show so successful in the early years was there was no competition. And now we have LaVyland, we have Age of Attraction, we have all sorts of stuff going on. That Age of Attraction ain't no competition for nothing. Look, we'll get to it in parasocial plays, but someone from that show got it like basically a million views on his Hick Talk. So I'm not saying it's nothing. Yeah. I think that it will be hard and I don't have a lot of faith in the decision making. I think casting Taylor Frankie Paul probably pissed off some, you know, there are people who watch the show and they're like, it's for TRR. It's not Olympics for influencers. It should be accountants or whatever. I think that probably pissed people off and now what's happened. They're like, yeah, see, I was right. But I think maybe those people would still come back. You're not getting the new audience you would have gotten with TFP. I mean, yeah, that's a normal audience. But there are other people like Maura Higgins is kind of at least right now the one who is kind of rumored to be the front runner for a big announcement that they're going to say she's the bachelorette. If that happens, you know, she brings with her a similar sized audience, 100% from Love Island and all of her media fans, all that. Yeah. She could be the savior. Yeah, I think so too. In terms of re-energizing it with, you know, a new fan base, basically, I 100% think that that's possible if she's announced, if that's happening. But let's say there is. Where's our announcement? I don't know. You said there'd be an announcement within a couple of weeks. I thought there would be. Where is it? What's happening? We're recording this on Thursday. Maybe it'll come out tomorrow if you're listening to this on Friday. Maybe the announcement's already out. But I also think that just in terms of what is happening with the franchise, it's like best case scenario. Let's say they announce her right now as we're recording this. What does that mean? They start shooting in a couple of weeks. Best case scenario. They start shooting end of April. So they shoot through May, June. Best case it airs in July, August. What does that mean for BIP? Is there another golden? Can you fit another bachelor into there? Does that mean we are going a year without a bachelor again? Does that interfere with the UK Love Island schedule? Because there's no way she's giving that job. But I'm saying like whoever. Which she'll have forever. Whether it's Mora Higgins or not. They have to have a lead centric product this year. Whether it's bachelor or bachelor. I agree. And I'm saying if the best case scenario is they could announce that today, start shooting in two weeks, be done in two months, air a month later. And that would be a breakneck post schedule that I don't think they've ever done before. And then what? You've got three or four months left of the year to do what with? Are they going to simultaneously shoot a bachelor or a bachelor? Yeah, he's skip golden this year. I don't know. That's what I'm saying. This taking this long off and having this weird season that they did shoot that is now scuttled is it. I don't know what it's going to do long term to the franchise. And I don't think they're canceling it. I don't think they're on the verge of that or anything. I think they are really trying to get a new lead out in front of us as fast as possible. And like re-energize the fan base to have something to look forward to. But I just think like we're so late in the year already. Like by this time, usually you would have already watched a full season of Bachelor. It would have concluded in February. They would be wrapping production on Bachelorette, which would start airing in a month, roughly month and a half. Yeah. Look, it's physically possible. Is it possible with the current structure? Like this is what I mean, you and I have talked about this. We've wanted to shoot shows in the style that they do Love Island where you're shooting it live, editing it basically live. Yeah. It's physically possible, but you don't have the infrastructure. Also, there are hundreds of people who work on these shows. They haven't had work. Well, they're getting new jobs. Like how are they going to get all these people back together? They all got paid for TFP season. Yeah, but they might take new jobs now. Oh, of course. And they must, they have to. But the live season that you're talking about, that was also a rumor that they're going to do a more, you know, live season kind of like Love Island. Yeah. Well, okay. But Scott Teddy has never done a show like that. That's a drastically different production cycle and manner in which you have to make that show. I'm not saying he's not capable of it, but he's never done it. You if you're going to do that, you basically want to get somebody from Love Island over there. Yeah, like the number two or three person at Love Island and just be like, look, this is your shot. Fucking do it. You know, yeah. I don't know. I'm sure they're in all kinds of non-compete contracts and stuff, but maybe not. Yeah, probably. Or maybe you get somebody who's like, I don't know who the showrunner of Love Island is. Used to work on it. Yeah. You might want to, you know, like poach their number two or number three person who like wants to be a showrunner. But that upward trajectory is just not going to happen at Love Island so they can jump to another franchise and do it. I don't know. There are a bunch of things that they need to take into account. I just know that we are at this point where we're again, 10 days away from the longest we have ever gone without official bachelor product. We are going to break that ceiling and then we're going to be in new territory where we're just listening to the wind. The great job. Blowing through the dead trees in a graveyard. It's wild. Like I just, I thought this franchise would outlast me. You know, I think I've said that a lot. And like the format should, the format should outlive us all. That's the thing. It feels like it's like these unforced errors. I'm hopeful, but I'm scared to hope again. You know, the cruise got me too many times. This TMP thing got me like punched a hole in my heart. By the way, the format will outlive us for sure. It just may not be called the bachelor. But like a one person dating multiple people in a game of attrition, that's going to be here forever. All right. Well, good luck to us all as we approach the greatest drought in bachelor nation history. It is now time to the cruise. What cruise? Bachelor. Oh, the ship, the actual cruise ship. I thought you meant the CREWS. Oh, yes, both. Yeah, checking on both cruises. Well, right now I think the cruise is 30 percent off. You want to get your tickets? Let's talk about your favorite 90. Favorite 90 minutes. It's so hard to choose, especially as five life sport has more live premier league commentaries than anywhere else. No, I meant your favorite 90 song. Ah, sorry, third. Well, if it's the 90s, it's going to be take that. Great choice. Let's see your dance moves. From football to throwbacks. And everything in between. 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First up, Dakota Mortensen, who is also the target of domestic violence allegations from Taylor Frankie Paul, will be completely removed from the upcoming season of Vanderpump Villa, which has already been shot. Mortensen made the trip, which was discussed during season four of Secret Lives and Mormon Wives alongside Jordan Gadaquora, Chase McWhorter, Mason McWhorter, Zach Affleck and Jacob Neely from the show. But all of his footage and presumably his story is going to be completely eliminated from the document. And he's the number one, been the number one guy in that group. So you know, that's going to be hard to cut around. You're just going to be stuck with baby Grinch talking to Marcy. I don't know. Yeah. Additionally on this, TFP denounced her god this week. Announcing on her Instagram stories over a mountainside background. Born and raised Mormon, Perenn's LDS and I'll always have love and respect towards it. I'll even continue to go with my family at times. With that being said, it's time to detach myself from it. Heart with a bandage over emoji. I strongly believe in Christ, God, the Bible, the divine. I believe we are loved, whether we are praying in church, in church building or from a bathroom floor at home. I've also experienced grace and love from amazing people that aren't sure what they believe, if at all, and that's okay too. Point being, there is more out there to learn and I'm writing this out as a release. There you go. TFP this week also filed for her own protective order against the Codemortan, alleging that he has had a quote pattern of abusive conduct and coercive control in the relationship. Morton's previously filed for a protective order against TFP on March 19th. He was granted temporary custody there, two year old son ever. TFP's filing against Morton's and detailed several alleged incidents during which he acted violently towards her during one incident of February 23rd. This is the one that has kind of like raised everybody's attention over the past month or two. In that incident, she claimed that Morton's and assaulted her by quote slamming her head against the dashboard of his truck and striking her knee and elbow after driving Paul away from her home against her will where her three children were sleeping inside. Finally, in TFP news, TFP had her custody hearing this week and she was given supervised visitation of her and Dakota Morton's son ever amid their competing restraining order filings. The presiding judge admitted having concerns both ways in determining the best course of action for the co-parents and it was determined that ever will remain in Morton's custody with up to eight hours per week of supervised visitation for Paul in the best interest of the toddler. The supervisor will be a paid supervisor. The arrangement will remain in effect until the next hearing on April 30th to discuss the competing orders that may result in a change in parent time for either or both parties. At that time, the judges also hopeful to have confirmation whether criminal charges will be pursued against one or both parties in the matter. If criminal charges are pursued in Paul's case, it could mean jail time if those charges violate the conditions of her parole stemming for her 2023 DV arrest. Her parole is still in effect until August of this year. Just a mess. And what's crazy is like you read this that thing that she put in there about the domestic violence allegation she's charging him with. Yeah. That's horrific. And yet, Alex Cooper just has him front and center skiing around the mountains having fun on Unwell Winter Games. Being the, like, love triangle guy. Yeah, the romantic lead of Unwell Winter Games is that guy. Still time to scuttle it. Nope. Dark Lord Cooper. It's out. Let me actually. Delete the video. It's the internet. There's no deleting it. I know, but you can still delete it. This, like you can say, oh, this came out now. No one deleting it. There's more evidence. Episode. We got to scuttle it. It's up to Episode three as of today. Episode one has 914,000 views. Episode two has 625 and Episode three has 347. That doesn't seem good to me. Just given how large Alex's platform is. A million views? That Episode one is about to have. Yeah. That's pretty big. Is it? Yeah. A million views on YouTube ain't an easy thing to do. Nonetheless, we'll move on. I agree. Up next in Bachelor Nation News, Bachelor Season 21, eighth place finisher and BIP Season 6 survivor, Whitney Fransway, is moving to another franchise. She's going to be starring in a new summer house spin-off called In the City on Bravo. In the City features cast members from Summer House. Takes place in New York City. And the trailer hints at turbulence in several relationships, declaring quote, Not every love story ends in happily ever after. In the City premieres May 19th. Good luck to Fransway on this next chapter in her reality television career. I screamed when I saw this trailer. Yeah. First of all, so excited for the spin-off already. Lindsay is a star and should be on reality TV for her entire life. We're also going to have Easter eggs of the scam and a summer house scandal with Amanda Batula being a main character in the spin-off. And then there's a cameo from West, the guy that she's in a figuring it out situation ship with. This kind of hints at my screen, but I have gone down a summer hole, a summer house hole. I'm in the summer hole and it is so deep. I might have talked about this on the live, but I considered starting a rewatch at Season 8, which is the season that West joins. And I decided I actually have to start it at Season 1 because I need just all the contacts to everything. And that has been I okay. Anyway, that's a preview of my scream. But Whitney Fransway, not the person I would picture being in this in the spin-off because she was part of, she's part of a romantic relationship. She had the two SUVs driving past each other, but not really a strong character. Connor Saley. Connor Saley. Connor Saley of BIP. And of course, she was also in a romantic relationship with the great one. But we'll see. I mean, we've got Jasmine on the Valley, the Bachelor, and we got Ashley Aikinetti in Rhode Island now. It's like Bachelor's tendrils are going everywhere. Season 4 of Slum. Maybe she'll be main cast. Oh, there's some openings. Up next, in Bachelor's News, the head of Netflix's reality TV programming, Brandon Rieg, did an interview with Wired Magazine this week about the growing inclusion of Trump supporters in the Love Is Blind franchise. Rieg said, quote, half the country voted for Trump, right? Depending on where you go, you're going to just have the luck of the draw in terms of whether it's more left, leaning or right, leaning. And I think we're neutral on that. This article infuriated me. It is an evil, the likes of which we have never seen. You think Dark Lord or Dark Emperor Mike Fleiss was bad? This is some other shit. I'm going to read that again. Half the country voted for Trump, right? Depending on where you go. I mean, not sure. There's so many people not voting, but yeah. Yeah. I mean, not half the country. 44 million people, roughly. Depending on where you go, you're going to have just luck of the draw in terms of whether it's more left, leaning or more right, leaning. And I think we're neutral on that. So we're neutral on that means we are good with Trump supporters. Netflix. And they're not neutral on it. That's a fucking lie. The next piece of this little news item will illuminate this, but they chose to edit in pro-Trump conversations and they chose to edit out pro-left conversations. So they're not neutral on it. They are in favor of in support of pro-Trump propaganda. There's no other way to see it. I mean, it's also like we pulled up the Ohio voting maps to kind of check on this because the season was so alarming and the cities are still blue. So what the fuck are you talking about? Trump followers in these shows and then purposely putting their pro-Trump conversations in the edit while eliminating any anti-Trump conversations. We learned from podcasts that Jessica Barrett and Kia Kellam both asked players who they voted for in the pods and none of that footage was included in the edit. Even though Alex Henderson was given this entire pro-Trump scene at his meeting of Ashley Carpenter's family, reclaimed that the footage of Barrett's liberal questioning of her potential suitors wasn't included because producers prioritized quote unquote story. But that he witnessed the same anxiety when trying to set up a female friend saying, she's like, just make sure he's not maga. To her, that was top of mind. And I was like, oh, I don't know what he is. I hadn't even thought of that. Huh? Yeah. This dude is, as I said, this is an evil, the likes of which we have never seen in the reality TV dating franchise world. That, I mean, there's no way that's true. He's a maga. He's at least cool with it. Or he's like just straight lying. That's what I think this is more likely. These things he's saying are just like, we don't know about politics. What? Do we even have a president? This is lies. 100%. 100%. He's trying to present this, this version of himself. And in this article anyway, he is kind of the voice of Netflix. He is their spokesperson. So through how he's kind of presenting himself and his personal interactions, I don't even judge politics. I don't know anything about it. That is also trying to be conveyed to the broader identity of Netflix as a whole. We're just casting people. We just show up in a city and we randomly select 30 people to be on the show. We don't do anything about it. We don't even ask. Yeah, we don't know anything about them. We just throw them in there and see what happens. He's trying to present it like they are taking an accurate cross section of whatever city they're in. Like there is no casting process, which is obviously a fucking lie. This shit where he's like, I didn't even think of my friend should be dating a macro guy or not. Lie. It's a fucking lie. Yeah. That's absolutely a lie. Like. You're, yeah, that that's not living in the real world. That's 100%. The first thing that comes up. Yeah. When they're trying to look. The thing that he's really like trying to distance himself from is the idea that these shows are produced by people who make decisions first about who gets on the show knowing full well their political and social ideologies before they put them in the show. They have to do extensive background checks, psychological checks. That comes with thousands of questions. Of course. And they need to know that they're going to have people who are compatible. They wouldn't, for example, cast a guy like Alex, who is super Trump in a season of no Trump. They had to also make sure some of the women were like Ashley. So they have to know that people will be compatible on that level. Otherwise it's like why if everybody's going to be like, oh, you voted for Trump by fuck you, then that person shouldn't be in the show. It won't generate any story. So they know what they're doing in the casting of people who are both left and right or pro Trump. I don't even consider MAGA right. It's MAGA. So they cast people specifically who are MAGA in that show. He is saying they didn't. Trying to make it seem like it's just randomized, whatever. And then saying that the reason we didn't put the liberal conversations in was because of story. A fucking lie. What was the story with Alex to include the pro Trump conversation? How did that further climb into a story? What's anything they put in the show? Yeah, story. Okay, story. I mean, why are they following that love triangle if we don't follow those characters? It's absolutely infuriating. And the fact that they did this article, which like this article doesn't happen unless Netflix says, okay, we got a guy from Wired asking questions, get out there and fucking diffuse them. Say we don't know anything about politics and that's whatever. We're neutral. That to me means they got some other seasons coming up that has some Trump shit in it. It's also giving like, there's a sentiment among my single friends that if someone in their dating app says that they are independent or like neutral on politics, I don't get into politics that that is coded for MAGA. And this is giving that of like. Interesting. Oh, yeah, politics is like, we're neutral. Yeah, I mean, they voted for true. And by the way, it's like that you wouldn't consider it a deal breaker. And it's it's wild too. It's like the normalization of the current political cycle in America, which ain't fucking normal. We are like, Trump's a dictator about to start World War three if he hasn't already. You literally tweeted he was going to end a civilization this week. Yeah, right. So it's not just like, oh, Republican versus Democrat. It's like sane versus insane. That's where we're at in the American political spectrum. And so to just discount it like, well, whatever, we don't care about it. We don't really look at that. Everybody votes. Yeah, like it's different horoscopes or something. This is the most complicit I've ever felt in any capacity and bachelor has done some bad shit. There's a lot of competition for that. There is. But this is just like grotesque. And it's like, for what? Why do you have to put the Trump people in there? To me, this feels like, and this is the most generous explanation I can come up with. Is they don't want responsibility for anything that happens in the show. So they have to just keep saying, oh, yeah, we just it's documentary. Like we just put them in there. We didn't know that guy had a gun. We, you know, that's just who these guys are. Casting has no, um, no moral imperative to protect these women. But even beyond the world imperative, he's trying to like suggest that there is no casting. That people don't go through these rigorous tests to find out everything about or as much as they can about them before putting them in these situations. And part of that too, like I'm saying is like, there's a compatibility test that's happening where you're finding people. They're like, oh, this person, you know, likes wants to live in this area and likes these types of movies and this type of music and does rock climbing. Oh, here's another person who likes that music and does rock climbing. They'll probably hit it off. They're trying to facilitate. Yes, of course. And so part of that clearly is political. Clearly. Yeah, it's like, it's pretending that we're dumb. I feel like bombarded with every day living in America. Yeah. Anyway, anyway, hope everyone as well. Yeah, they get to the longest round. Bachelor history definitely isn't fucking with us. Netflix is evil. Whatever. We're fine. We're fine here. Absolutely fine here. Yes. Scobbie's only 35% in charge of blues during the day. During the day. Oh my God. I just looked over in the living room to make sure he wasn't like watching me talk about it. This is the blood. Does he know what I'm saying? Love is love, but this feels like unhealthy dynamic. It's probably the healthiest relationship I've ever had. You should keep all of your blood. I just want you to keep all of your blood clues. I don't need it. Anyway. What's next? Go ahead. Do we have some more news pieces? Up next in Bachelor Nation News. I refuse to say this. Why? Here's what clues wrote. Old yellow eyes. It's a Frank Sinatra slash Brent Spiner reference. I think this is. I don't like it. I'm going to say one of the bright spots. Golden eyes. In the Bachelor Decision Making and Seasons in the last five years, Joey Gratzitzel and Butterfly Wrangler, Kelsey Anderson have set a wedding date. Look over here. Anderson made the announcement in a TikTok in which she direct addresses the fourth audience to let us know she's going to be at 2027 Bride. She captioned the piece as follows. The wait is over for those who were wondering the wedding date has officially been set. We are thrilled to announce that I am a 2027 Bride. The journey towards I do has officially begun. This exciting milestone marks the beginning of a new chapter filled with anticipation and joy. The chosen date sets the stage for dreams to unfold in a future to be built together. Get ready to follow along as plans commence for the special celebration. Will it be an ABC special? Maybe. I hope so. Congrats to the Golden Gazer and his butterfly Bride to be. 2027 is coming. 2027 is almost here. 2027 is coming. 2027 is almost here. And finally, in Bachelor Decision, thank you for that. By the way, I wrote that and I was like, I never know where it's going to fall. Who's going to have to read what? And I'm like, God, I hope she has to read this. And finally, in Bachelor Decision News, big congratulations to Young No Herb, who won the $100,000 briefcase of Cold Heart Cash on the first and likely only season of Bachelor of Mansion Takeover this week. Herb beat out Gore Girl. Tammy Lee in the finale to walk away with the prize. If you didn't catch the show and you're curious, you can watch along with us on our Patreon. We highly recommend it. It was a great way to see Villa de la Vina. That is Bachelor of Mansion, of course, in a new light during the daylight, no less. And it was really nice to see some older players like Courtney Robertson get the chance to step back out onto the field. Spoiler alert, she still got it. She does. This, I had very low expectations for the show. Me too. And I loved it. Me too. I 10 out of 10 recommend it. And I sobbed in the finale. Oh, God, that's right. Did some tear play. Some incredible PCC play. Sorry. Over the course of the season. Like the thing that was most interesting to me about it is it wasn't a dating format. Nobody's dating. They're just like building bunk beds and shit. But it's, it has many of the same elements of a traditional bachelor season. A lot of PTCs. Obviously second audience play is huge. Third audience play was huge. I helped Courtney navigate some of that. I coached her during this season. If you haven't seen some of the more recent episodes, I think my interview on her show is out today as well. You can go check out me and Courtney talking on her show after reality. But yeah, she would get done shooting and then come back to her hotel room and text me that night. Like, here's everything that happened. What do I need to do tomorrow? And I'd be like writing her speeches and shit, some of which she delivered some of which made it into the final edit. It was fantastic. She was so good. She was so good. Such a great time. I can't wait to see what she does next. Tasha is an amazing host. There's a lot of DLP sincerely saying to do small activities. Yeah. Yeah. Look, there's definitely some things that could be ironed out in the show. Tyler Cameron does a lot of long ass hand rubbing like this. Yes. Terrible. But yeah, really enjoyed it. And I don't. Is that because of the drought? I don't know. No, it was just a well-made show. No, it's good. There's a lot of like old clips. There's a lot of historical reference. It was just like a. Yeah. For what it was, which I don't like care about renovation shows. I don't care about HGTV shit at all. Never watched one. I haven't either. And it was like, I didn't really care about the the competition element of it so much, but getting to see these players, some of whom we haven't seen in a minute like Courtney or even like Deanie Babies. We haven't seen him in a minute in a game like seeing them come back and get to play in the bachelor mansion against each other. And the tone of it is just like light and fun. It was just a very well-made show with great players, I think. It was very fun. And they did limo exits too. Yeah, they did that. There were little nods like that to kind of more traditional bachelor style play all throughout it. The editing to the flashbacks, like you don't need to have that in this show, but it makes it so much better, especially for bachelor super fans. Absolutely. And even some Easter eggs for super, super fans, Tasha being like staying your lane or something to say. So good. I have chills. Getting to see Deanie Babies and Young Noah Erb be a dynamic duo slash rivalry also. I really enjoyed the Moustachio twins. Yeah, same. Yeah, loved it. Loved it. This is James Afiha from Shits and Geeks and we're currently sponsored by Tui. Now, we've been known to have the odd disagreement with the ones which can run deep often about where we go on holiday. True right. One of us wants to chill, the other wants to explore. It's like, how are we going to fix this fine mess? Thankfully, that's where Tui comes in. Tui has more options and more choice with hundreds of destinations worldwide. So we can find somewhere for me to relax and you to get your adventure on. Perfect. Tui, you pick it. They saw it. Booking T's and C's apply at all and after protected. Now we get to the segment of our program in which we discuss the top plays on our phones, on our computers. However you are looking at your screens, this is the top five parasocial plays of the week. Our number five top play this week goes to Ashley Iacanetti. The tier and corn cob player turned a real housewives of Rhode Island star posted a series of images leading her. Leading from the still image that she sent from back to bachelor producers from 12 years ago, all the way to an image of her at the real housewives of Rhode Island press tour on Instagram this week. Wow. 45.7 K likes for this. By the way, should have done this in the business, but I dropped a Pace Case Palapa of me watching the premiere of real housewives of Rhode Island on our Patreon. It was absolutely fantastic. Oh, shit. I gotta watch that. And Ashley is amazing. And there's a big scene of her and Jared too in it. I'll have to check that out. He worked 100 hours a week in their coffee shop. That was like my craziest takeaway. I was like, what? Let me know when you're up to 150 a week. Oh, God. Okay. Is that how much you're working for a scabalion? Yeah. I'm his only employee. I'm his personal assistant at this point. Look, look, here's also the whatever. I'll just admit this. Oh, God. Scabie isn't the only creature to whom I am a personal valet. There is a gray cat, a gray female cat who comes to our back door. I feed her every night at 9 p.m. She is straight. You have a second cat. She's very feral. She will never... It doesn't matter. You have a second cat. I'm trying to develop that relationship. We talk to each other now, audibly. She'll look up at me from the bottom of the stairs. And I'll go, have your dinner. Here's your dinner. And I'll put her a little dinner in a... We have bowls and stuff outside for her. I fill up her water. I put out her dinner. She has a separate bowl from Scabie. Oh, yeah. She's feral. Like, I don't think there's any way I'll ever even touch her, let alone be able to pet her or anything like that. We'll see. I thought that about Squirrely is. No, I knew from day one she was going to be basically living in my home. There's also a possum who was a baby at some time. I found him eating out of the stray cat bowl in the back. And I was like, oh my God, a little big possum. So I started feeding him. He doesn't come every night. But I think when he's like, shit, I didn't find anything good to eat. He shows up two at night and they are friends. The stray cat and the possum will sit next to each other. Eat the fucking food together. It's like a homework bound situation. Yeah, it's wild. So he knows what I'll have. I do not like possums. I think they are creatures of the devil. I think they're cute as hell. Coming in at number four on the parasocial play chart this week. We got Alondria, Carthen, the Bama Barbie made it official this week as she posted a gorgeous Instagram offering launching an official partnership with Barbie and Coachella, the supply chain management professional turned right away. The longest hyphenated thing I've ever seen in my life. Yeah, it's an entire line. Delivered an absolute masterclass in Spon Con branding with an Instagram reel this week. She poses in the famous 1959 Barbie swim suit and ponytail combo as she vamps for the camera poolside and floating along on Barbie floats. The caption reads, quote, it's about to be a Barbie takeover. See you in the desert. Winky Wink emoji, heart emoji, hashtag Ocella, 408 K likes 4.1 million beautiful views by leaning into her fan given Bama Barbie nickname. Alondria has executed a rebrand moving her out of the generic reality TV player pool and into the global luxury influencer tier. This post utilizes the Barbie aesthetic as a vessel for main character energy and leaving the fourth audience wanting so much more and signaling to us that her journey didn't end at the villa or depend on any male paramour who she may or may not be in a real relationship with a began there. Yeah, was was a neck anywhere to be seen on this post? No, I mean, why are you asking about Ken? We're talking about Barbie. Sorry. Our third top play of the week goes to this is why this is why it would be like if Barbie's name was Ken Barbie. This is like the meme of Ryan Gosling when he won that supporting actor and he's like, wait, what for Barbie? Yeah, that's that's going through my mind right now. How dare you? I didn't name them Nicolandria. Why don't you just believe in love clues? I do. Only the feral cat and possum kind. No, I just don't think look, you know my take on this. Most people on reality TV are there for the gram. They are there for the fame. Sometimes people actually fall in love through the course of that, but that's extremely rare. Statistically speaking, it is rare. But it happens. Love finds a way. Our third top play of the week goes to Pfeiffer Hill, who the age of attraction youth player put out an incredible TikTok offering this week explaining why she didn't go to the age of attraction reunion on the vial files that dropped on April 1st. She maintains consistent parasocial gaze play direct to Cam as she first proffers that the vial files doesn't align with her authentic self. And then she soft launches a new relationship that had gifted her a trip to Japan that conflicted with the date. We love this play and the parasocial explanation that leaves the audience wanting more and guarantees future eyeballs on her next podcast move. We'll have you way more than being one in the crowd on the three hour vial files reunion. The caption reads someone cue my way by Frank Sinatra. I'd be lying if I said I haven't had some FOMO or questioned if I should have followed the status quo. But I'm proud of myself for making a decision I can confidently stand by. Thanks for everyone who's watched, supported and enjoyed this journey. More to come, I'm sure. Old fashioned smiley emoji hashtag age of attraction hashtag reality TV hashtag reunion hashtag reality TV drama hashtag my story 48.4 K likes 934 K views. Interesting. I'd like to know if she would have just said the reason I didn't go to the reunion is because I hate Nick bio. Honestly, the soft launch kind of took away from it for me being like, I didn't go because of my values and fuck this podcast. But also there was a scheduling problem. I would have just left it at the first part. Same coming in in second place this week. It is the butterfly queen of Louisiana, Kelsey Anderson, the daughter of Golden bachelor player and girl dad Mark Anderson announced that she and Joey are getting married in 2027 via direct to camera confessional using her signature casual, slightly chaotic and relatable tone. The fourth audience might as well be on a tea spilling FaceTime call with her as she keeps mixing up the current year as well as her own age and a bunch of quick cut takes. She says she's had to quote battle 32 or 31 women to get the gaysmen and says that she's getting married despite being so very young at 2748 K likes 403 K views. I'm sorry, that is still young. I don't get the joke. Yeah, I'm only two years older than that. Yeah. Wow. We you could be a teen bride as well. Set it up. All of these were strong plays, but there can only be one winner. Our parasocial play of the week goes to actual teen bride at 17 years old. Slom was star Michaela Matthews. She posted a tick tock from her husband, Jace's POV as he lip syncs the infamous Dr. Golden locks his voice over of jealousy while watching his wife, Jen dance with another man in front of the Cinderella castle at Disneyland. Jace walks with their children and then they caught to Michaela dancing with quote another man, a Disney employee in front of Cinderella's castle as Jace lip syncs how it wasn't even his plan a or even be or even see this high production light shade delivery weaponizing slom a lore Brickton 526 K likes 2.7 million views. Good for dad talk. That's 2.7 times as many as Scoopers winner games. There you go. We also had a non human this week making the list TFP player Clayton Johnson posted an Instagram reel officially applying to be a member of dad talk in the video he shows off his 10 year old son, Oliver, who is not human. But instead a gorgeous pop sitting comfortably on a sofa oblivious to the concerns of dad talk or the world at large. How many times have you looked at Luca in the past year and thought to yourself, damn, I wish I was a dog. I did when we were walking him yesterday. Think and I thought this many times but like he doesn't even know who Donald Trump is. I know. And he never will bliss. He's so happy. Yeah, I know. Francing as he walks. Yeah, there's a lot of Eve. I know. That could be me. If I just got the right concussion. Okay. You're so we get the right concussion as we die from the top of the pit down into its murky depths below from where we will issue forth our screams. This is. Screams from the pit. What's your scream? Let's hear it. Scream. I already previewed it up top but I explained the Amanda Batula West Wilson scandal that is plaguing the summer house nation right now. In one of our was that twiven last week, I think. Let's just say clues didn't really get it but it still means a lot to some of us. It is look there's people arguing whether it's like Scandamall back and forth on both sides which love the discourse. This is what I want to be focusing on at this time. And I have been focusing on it a lot. I've watched a lot of tick tocks of people doing their rewatches being like look at this. Look at this hand graze here. Yeah. But my scream is that it's not enough for me and I blame. Here's how it's about to write I blame the drought on this. I was like I need to do a rewatch because I've been watching lives in season one. So and it's on season 10. The year of scandals actually Van der Pomp was also in season 10. Interestingly. And it happened in March anyway. You can see what's happened to my brain. Yeah. I was like I could go back to season eight when Wes joins the cast and just start from there. Because like obviously their affair couldn't have started before they even met each other. That's I think generically correct. Yes. Yeah. However, you know, I'm a completionist in general and apparently that's applying to my rewatches and I'm going back to season one where two of the characters aren't even cast in the show yet. But it's already paying dividends. That's great. If anybody wants to start over I highly recommend it. All right. Well, my screen actually has to do with TFP in the darkest season. You see from time to time. Are you not Mormon anymore too? Does that know I'm replacing her? Oh, OK. The total number of Mormons has to stay the same. So you know, you trade it. Yeah. Yeah. Now she's astral projecting. No, I from time to time the dark energies of the pit. Transfuse my mind while I slumber and I have what you call a dream about our beloved game. What are dreams? No one knows. I think maybe maybe they're real places, real events that we get access to. What? What? Really? They're real? I think so. I have a freakish. Francis is real. Yeah. In some. I've been to hell. No. Reality. Anyway, I don't know. I don't know what anyone else out there would consider real. I consider conscious events, conscious experiences to be just as real as anything that we can perceive in the quote physical world. That said, the thing that I perceived in a dream this past week was a viewing party pace case that you and I were hosting for the darkest season. I don't have any details to report about what we saw at the viewing party. I just know that we were at it in this experience, this astral dream world experience. Hosting or guests. Hosting. OK. We were hosting it, but it did have a feeling of it was clandestine. You had to not. I mean, there wasn't like overtly people saying passwords and shit, but it felt like we were doing it somewhere that was like off the beaten path and you had to know where it was and have to have some kind of access to it that is not publicly known. And I think if we ever did do it when we do it, it's going to be something like that. I can envision just posting to the gore account and like an icon and that's it. And you have to find that icon somewhere in Los Angeles on a door and that's the viewing party. And that's the only information you have. Something like that. It's just in some bunker. Yeah. It's out back with the possum and the stray cat. It's just me on a cell phone. Check it out guys. The cat's meowing. The possum is biting me. Scobby's drinking my blood. We're watching the darkest season. No, I don't think it'd be like that, but it just gave me like, I have a story. I have a strong degree of hope that we will get to see that season. But I also feel like if we can do a viewing party, I'm trying to envision what that would be like because obviously if we're able to secure the season, we can't. No one else can be shown that season. Yes, of course, of course. The channels through which I would have to secure it like are going to be, it'll be a difficult thing to get. I'll say that much. And if I do get it, it won't be something that I could share overtly with anybody. So we'd have to watch it in person. Yes, in person. Check your cell phone at the door. All of that shit. If we ever do it. But anyways, I love the dream and it really did bolster my feeling that it's going to happen. I would feel so sad waking up from that dream. Like I didn't. I felt like saloons in a dream and then you wake up and you're like, I don't have those plans. Let me just show you a book. It's called The Premonition Code. It is by Teresa Chung and Dr. Julia Mossbridge. It is about how to kind of develop or train pre-cognitive capabilities. And a lot of the book is dedicated to pre-cognitive dreams and how to determine if a dream you're having is pre-cognitive versus not. And obviously you can't really determine that until the event transpires that you dreamt about. And then there's a series of kind of checks of like, well, could this have been coincidental where you somehow influenced to have the dream with prior knowledge or is it a legit you dreamt about something and it happened. So I've been not only did I read this book, but I've been doing a lot of the practices in it in terms of dream journaling. It really like helps you memorize your dreams or remember your dreams when you wake up. It also has made my dreams like far more vivid and I'm more like kind of overtly conscious in the dream when I'm having them. So I don't know. I'm just saying, I don't know if this is a precognitive dream or not, but it felt real. Wow. We we are not the only ones. We could be pre-cogs. We could be. We're all pre-cogs. Oh. Because time doesn't exist. Time is one thing. Oh. Space time doesn't exist. The amplitude. Hydron, look it up. You know, the amplitude. Sheep. I'm just saying. Anyway, we're not the only one screaming. Who's screaming with us today? Clues today. We got a scream from Victoria. If you want to send your screams, all you got to do is go to our Patreon. Join us on the bottom of the pit. Get access to our discord in that discord. There's a channel where you can upload a one minute or shorter scream. It's called submit your screams. That channel today. Ours comes to us from Victoria. I believe. Let's play. It comes with a video also. There are two things here. There's an audio screen and there's a video. I like that the screams are becoming more extensive. All sorts of mediums. There's an audio screen. There's a video. There's some still images. There's a website. There's an essay, an article and a video game that we're going to have to play. OK. I think how to do this is probably to play the audio scream. And then we're going to play the video. I think that's how this will work. So here is the audio scream. Hey, Pitt, my name is Victoria. And I am submitting a scream because over the last two to three weeks, watching everything unfold with the bachelorette and seeing how sad it's made bachelor clues and pace case. I really wanted to do something for them to help make them feel better. So I went on cameo with my own money and requested a video from the ultimate biking. I hope you all like it. I hope it makes you feel better. Thank you for everything you do. Shout out to Betsy for dragging me into the pit. And hello to my mom and Katie. Love you all. Thank you, bachelor clues and pace case. Excited for what's next. Praise be, Darkler Palmer. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. I feel horrible. I feel like we should get their Venmo. Well, it's before we watch this video, we have the video, the cameo video. I believe that's what we're about to watch. I just want to say thank you so much to Victoria for doing this. And I can't wait to see this video. And this is a very high level scream. I mean, I keep thinking my mind can't be blown more than the screams we've already had, you know, the song that people compose, like stuff like that. And then my mind is just blown again. I'm like, oh, well, it means a lot. It's very sweet. Put that mind back together because we've got to blow it again right now. This is the ultimate biking. Here we go. Bachelor clues and pace case. Don't you worry. I don't have a new season or anything coming out. But what you always are going to have is a click. Here's a dance move. You ready for that? Oh Oh We're at the halfway mark Coming next Go with it feel the motion Just watch it. We'll just rock our way into a new season of whatever All right, keep doing you saying keep bringing people the fun the craziness all the good stuff you're bringing and i'll keep bringing my High videos sound good good Wow Oh First of all, let me just say again. Thank you to victoria for this incredible gift to the pit. This is beyond words Let me also say If you get a cameo from clay neckard you get your goddamn money's worth. Holy shit. I mean, right? This is one of the best cameos i've ever seen in my entire gd life um Good god Okay, so many thoughts first of all He's gotten so good at dancing yeah, um You couldn't he's just like he's moving with the music. It's great second. I feel like this. He's like our coach Screaming at us inspiring us like in the locker room like at halftime or something. Yep. I feel so inspired My mood is lifted a thousand percent I I'm so happy. Thank you so much. Yeah, that was fantastic. God damn what a gift the pit will forever be grateful to victoria Um, thank you for everybody or thank you to everybody for watching this What we will keep up the craziness. What was he saying? Yeah, keep up the craziness bringing the good vibes or whatever I'm just like I i'm gonna have to rewatch that at some point today It kind of washed over me just because I was in shock of what I was seeing My jaw was on the floor. He's screaming the entire video giving a thousand percent. Yeah Just like when he's becoming the ultimate viking. So it was really Really powerful I agree. Good god a fantastic scream Thank you everybody for joining us for this twibbon We will be back on Monday, I think with yeah digging deeper and a live show And we are going to be right after this pace case and are going to watch survivor So that'll be up on our patreon by the time you watch this. I hope zack brown's back Well, mr. Beast is coming. I don't know if he's in this episode that we're about to watch from last night Scuttle it Scuttle beast Thank you. What was the celeb list that they came from to cast this season. Good god. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah. 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