Free Agency Winners & Losers + Waddle Trade Reaction - Fantasy Football Podcast for 3/24

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We still sound the same, which is awesome. Yeah. I was going to say congratulations, but. We've got the news to jump into. Let's do it right now. News and notes from around the league. All right. Right there. Oh my gosh. The wall changed. It's amazing. Jaylin Waddle is no longer a member of the Miami Dolphins along with what Darren Waller and Tyree Cale and almost everybody. Excuse me. Yeah. Yeah. The dolphins traded Jaylin Waddle and a fourth round pick to the Denver Broncos. Dolphins received a first round pick number 30 overall. There's a lot of talk about them taking a wide receiver right there. It's a good wide receiver class. Third round pick, fourth round pick. There was apparently a lot of discussion between the two teams around the shade deadline. Didn't get a deal done. Probably would have helped the Broncos. They did make a nice run in the playoffs. Jaylin Waddle, the big story here. I think we had just talked about him and our expectations for Jaylin Waddle in Miami with Malik Willis right before the news broke. So let me get your reaction. This is to me, it's very opposite of the DJ more trade where in the DJ more trade is just for fantasy purposes. It's good for everyone. Like it didn't hurt the quarterback losing the wide receiver. It helped the wide receiver changing teams helped all the other pieces that you want to see succeed in Chicago. This is like, I feel like I don't like this at all. It's not an upgrade for Jaylin Waddle. Maybe he gets a quarterback upgrade. Maybe you could say bow next is better, but he was basically the primary target with no competition. Now he's joining Cortland Sutton. Obviously the great Troy Franklin and other pieces. This has got to be good for Troy Franklin. It's clearly good for Troy Franklin. So it hurts there. I mean, I obviously bow nicks. That's great for him to get another target. I think he's like the only player whose arrow goes up here. I can see that perspective. It definitely helps. Bowen X you didn't have. You know, Troy Franklin. Yes, he made a play here and there. They got Franklin's toast. I'll play from little Jordan Humphrey last year. They get a play from, you know, Sutton had a lot of mistakes. Right. He was the touchdown guy two years ago last year. Kind of let fantasy players down Waddle is. Waddle is by far their best player in the wide receiver room to me. Agreed. Like Sutton is solid, but I think Sutton also like it's just better for that team to have Waddle be able to make those explosive plays. And you want those for your quarterback because you need, you know, bow nicks needs explosives in the, in the offense. So. And they paid up for him. I mean, this is not really, they are saying he is our wide receiver one. I mean, they, they definitely are. But I mean, Sean Payton has, he's gotten us a few times. Now how Joker is Jayle Watt? Oh, you can't be a joke. According to him, you cannot be a Joker at a wide receiver. That's a running back where it's my bad, my bad. Yes. The great Sean Payton. But I saw he, I don't know that we're going to get anyone who we're going to be happy with in terms of being a wide receiver for fantasy. I think longterm, I would, we'll see if Cortland Sutton is on this team next year. I agree with that actually. I think that, that there could be a chance. I think it might be Waddle and Bryant as the main two guys. Yeah, you are a Pat Bryant fan. That's him too. Oh yeah, for sure. For this year. Yes, it does. I mean, and that assumption is also that it does, if Pat Bryant is good enough, then I think Cortland Sutton will be gone. If he's not, then they'll probably keep him. And Malik Willis for fantasy. Dude. He was someone that was... Did they tell him? I know. Because it's like, by all accounts, it was Malik Willis can go to the Dolphins or he can go to the Arizona Cardinals. The Arizona Cardinals have playmakers. The Dolphins now have picks. So they'll replenish with somebody, but you're like, hey, maybe we could get someone who's as good as Jalen Waddle type of thing. He might be a boat, but he's not... He is not put into a position of success. Here's where I'll sign. Kyle is... Terris Marshall is on the Dolphins. Lockjaw? Lockjaw. I mean, who's the one there? Malik Washington? Nobody. It's whoever they draft. Tolbert? Who did they just sign? Yeah, they got Tolbert too, but... They will draft somebody and this situation will repeat what it did before, which is Waddle got drafted to a situation people didn't necessarily love on a bad team with a bad quarterback play, and Waddle became a superstar immediately. If you look at it from that perspective, like Miami hasn't... They now have an open one spot. They do. So when you talk about any of these guys in the first round being picked, I don't... I mean, fill in the blank. I don't care who you want to put in there, Carnell Tate, or you put in Concepcion later in the first round. What's their first pick? Or Denzel Boston, whoever they end up landing. It to me, it's a huge opportunity. So they're at 11. I mean, that is prime. Yeah, I guess. If Mackay Lemon goes to Miami, all of a sudden you're like, okay, he's just the one from day one. And in that regard, it's exciting. It feels like at the 11, they've got to take one of those three wide receivers, and that will be... That would potentially completely change the pre-draft order of those three wide receivers. Like if we've got Tyson first and Lemon goes there... I mean, you got this... You got to get through the Browns, right? We don't... Sorry, Browns. This is fantasy football. I don't want one of the big three going to the Cleveland Browns and just wasting away... Garrett Wilson away his career for that team, never really giving us fantasy football value. So it's like, you know, hypothetically, Tate goes to the Cleveland Browns. Mackay Lemon goes to the Dolphins. Do you think... You better think that Tate is just that dominant that it won't matter because the situations will be upside down. Where do you think this puts Waddle in the fantasy universe right now? Because I don't think there's going to be any debate that the Denver offense is a better offense than what Miami was going to bring to the table. The issue with Waddle historically, inconsistency and injury, was going to get that opportunity, but, you know, they're going to run the ball a lot in Denver as well. That's... Yeah, they certainly want to run the ball. They've got a great defense. So this isn't a team that, you know, is going to be requiring putting up 30 points and passing as much as you'd like it. I'm guessing he'll finish somewhere around wide receiver 25, like on the wide receiver 2-3 bubble to me. I would probably, if you had asked me, I'd probably be around 18-19. Mike, where are you? I'm close with Jason. I just don't know that the touchdowns will be there. Okay. Well, we got news this morning. The Seahawks signed Jackson, Smith and Jigba to a four-year, $168 million extension. We probably don't have like a really cool money... Do we have a money drop yet? ...thing ready yet, do we? I mean, that's still pretty cool. All right. We're working on it. Yeah, I mean... There's going to be some growing pains. Well, this is an extension. He still has his fifth year. I think it averages to 32 when you consider the six years he's under contract. It's huge. I mean, it's a massive deal. This is part of what you're going to see the Seahawks have to do. This isn't the only player they're going to have to pay on this team. They have a young defense with some stars. They're paying their wide receivers. Yeah. You got JSN. You had the Rashid Shaheed deal that already went through. True. And guys, we were worried that Jake Bobo was going to win. But Jake Bobo was going to be stolen by the Jacksonville Jaguars. And the Seattle Seahawks said, nay, we will match the offer. We're not losing Bobo. No, no. That's where all our money is going to go go. What else is going on? Hollywood Brown one year deal with the Eagles. Eagles had mostly been letting players go this off season. So... Okay. I mean, like... I don't have that AJ Brown replacement ready. It's the Johan Dotson fill-in. Yeah, it is right now. I mean, I will say it becomes far more relevant should AJ Brown be traded than this. Then this is something to pay attention to. I've got him in a couple of dynasty leagues. So it was like, hey, oh, okay. Yeah. All right. Maybe. His career is so over. They also acquired Andy Dalton for a seventh round. And then immediately came out. This was so weird. They trained for Andy Dalton and then won it known by all. Don't worry. He's not the back of quarterback. Okay. He's going to... Press release. Yeah. Like, you know, quarterback three. Okay. Like what was the... Yeah. Tanner McKee is locked in at QB2. We just had to trade for Andy Dalton. I mean, a seventh round pick, but... So the Panthers are rolling weird with Bryce and Kenny Pickett. Yeah, man. It felt like a strange move by the Panthers. Maybe this was a... We got to get... We cannot have any more talk of Andy Dalton versus Bryce Young. I don't know. It seems weird. A bunch of one-year deals. Are these all... Just the season. These are all in the mediocre signing category. I don't know where that drop is if Al can find it. AJ Dillon, one year with Carolina. Damian Pierce, one year with Philadelphia. Ty Chandler, one year with New Orleans. Greg Dorch, one year with his former offensive coordinator, the blob fish. In Detroit. Greg Dorch to Detroit. Ah, there we go. Mediocre signing of the week. I think that officially went to Greg Dorch. Yeah. Yeah, it's the last name. Yeah, for sure. Also, some players retired that we really thought were retired a long time ago. But, formally, T.Y. Hilton just retired? That is absurd. That is absolutely absurd that you... I put out this big statement, like he's walking away. You missed your window, man. There's got to be a statute of limitations. You're not allowed to retire that late. And it stinks because it's like we would have celebrated T.Y. Hilton. Hilton was a great player. Hilton gave us... He played in 2022. He gave us tons of fantasy football production. It's 2026. So what is the statute of limitations in our opinion for... Oh, for a retirement? Two. Two years. Two years of not being on the field. Yeah. Okay. So you didn't play... Unless you're totally hurt that entire time. Yeah. Right. So if you have two years where, like, a team didn't want you. He was on Dallas? Wait. Hold on. Kyle, who are you... Two years since... His final year, he was on the Dallas roster. I have no memory of this. I find that hard to believe. There you go. There's also the news of Travis Kelsey. Travis Kelsey signed a... It was reported like a four-year contract, but really they're void years. It's a one-year, 12-million-dollar deal. With 3 million in incentives. Yeah. And so, you know, they stretched out the signing bonuses so that there's like a small cap hit in 2027. Next year he'll decide if he's going to play or not and then redo the contract again. But he is officially playing this season. T.Y. Hilton caught seven passes for Dallas? For the Dallas. Six of them were first downs. I get why he didn't want to retire. That's a crazy conversion rate. He's been pitching teams with that number for years. All right. Well, I think that's going to do it for news. We'll take a break and we're going to jump into our official free agency, Winners and Losers. All right. We've had a chance. We've watched teams make their moves. A lot of trades this year. A lot of moves in free agency. Big money. The biggest cap for the NFL that we've ever seen. Time to talk winners and losers. We're going to win. We're going to win! Okay. Free agency winners and losers. These are our biggest. Yes. Yeah, because there's a lot of guys that we won't necessarily talk about, but the people that we think got kicked in the junk the most. Right. Or did the kicking. Yeah, or did the kicking. Yeah, it's got to be bad to get kicked in the junk, but not enough to be on the segment. Do you know what I mean? Oh, yeah. Maybe you're a worse loser than our biggest losers today. Yeah. I just think getting kicked at all is tough. Jason, why don't you kick it off? We're going to start with the guy who year after year, sitting in the video getting hard. We're going to talk about that. Yeah, I'm doing it. It's been mentioned before. You got hard kicked in the nuts. I don't think people out there know what we're talking about to apply to make it on the, you know, to join our listener. Inspired by like a Johnny Knoxville situation. And then he didn't get in. It was close. It was admirable. It was. It was. He was in consideration. Great work. Hard kick. But didn't make it on. So that's that's tough. All right, Jason, your biggest winner in free agency. Who'd you? Who'd you go with? I went with the littlest man for the biggest winner. Kyler Murray. Kyler Murray is a huge where it was funny. Andy would mention to me this morning when he saw this, you guys are in the card world, but apparently Kyler Murray's card value, his trading card value, it is the number one highest moving card value across all sports. He's doing better than some of these Pokemon cards. I will say it's because it was that low. Fair, fair. But it's really true. Like his, his market was nowhere. Yes. And then he gets picked up and it's jettison's upward. And from a fantasy football perspective, Kyler is important. You can, you can hate watching him. You could complain about everything that he does, but on a per game basis, he scores a lot of fantasy points. This last year was a very down year. Obviously you've got train McBride. You talk about some of the weapons, but you know, is Marvin Harrison truly a stud? I don't know. Oh, Michael Wilson is. Is Justin Jefferson a stud? Yes. Yeah. He's probably the best wide receiver in the national football league. You've got a great system here, a great coach, Kevin O'Connell. And I think the best weapons he's ever had. I don't think he's ever had a receiving core like this back in the day when he had DeAndre Hopkins in Hopkins prime. Yeah. I mean, I think Hopkins and Kirk was pretty good. Yeah. Definitely pretty good. Maybe, maybe as good as this. I don't know that it was, but it's certainly, you know, it certainly wasn't like catastro, categorically better than this. And keep in mind, Kyler Murray, when he had that was the quarterback two in fantasy football, like the number two quarterback, he was, you know, scoring 23.7 fantasy points per game. And I think that you can see a resurgence for fantasy this year while he's playing for a contract. He's on a one year deal. So he's going to, he's going to score a ton of fantasy points, be a top 10. Like I guarantee he's a top 10 fantasy court. Yeah. I'm not in that camp. I'm just going to ask, are you going to fall into the Kyler Murray, Pungie pit? Yeah. Yeah. I'm just going to go right in. He's a very, very different, we've said this, we've watched the tape in Arizona. He's a very, very different player than he was during his heyday for fantasy. None of that is to make him not a winner in fan. I mean, this is as much of a winner as he could possibly be. Agreed. And it's the same for the Vikings and I'll be shocked if JJ McCarthy is even on this team. That's about where I'm at. Like I, I feel like if they end up making the decision that they're going to move forward, they sign Carson wins. Like there's a chance they just trade him. It's a great win for Kyler. I, I don't think he's the same quarterback he used to be. I don't know that I have the confidence in Kevin O'Connell that I think people want to give. I think it would be fair to look at Kevin O'Connell and say, okay, well, he's, he's the quarterback whisperer. Right. Except for he didn't do it right with, like it didn't work with JJ, right? Correct. Oh, and then they also gave up on Donald, right? Oh, and they also gave up on Daniel Jones, right? I mean, these are all decisions that this team made. Well, they, so like, to me, you're like, sort of, I mean, you can, you, you don't know how much that is O'Connell or the GM who was, the firing of the GM says that he is taking the most of the responsibility for that. And, and the Daniel Jones was the offers were competitive. Like they, I think they were pretty much the same. He just saw the path of an easier start in Indianapolis. Let's change the argument to organizationally, they've made quarterback mistakes. Sure. So that's at least out there in the world. I do think that the potential for Kyler is tremendous, but I am concerned about the offensive line and our expectations in fantasy. His past, especially this last year, the frustration with him in fantasy circles, I believe he will be under drafted. Right now he's being drafted at quarterback 18. He'll certainly not be that low, but I think he might be close to that. You know, he might be a true late round quarterback. And if he is still a late round quarterback as a mobile guy with the receiving weapons he has, I will be in in fantasy. We have not had a top 10 season from him. Or I guess that super year was 2020. Man, it's been a while. Yeah. Yeah, he's going to have everything in front of him. And it's great for, you know, if you want to throw Jefferson in as a free agency winner, I think that would be appropriate. For sure. I think Addison free agency winner. This team is primed to make a run. Like I, I don't know what the numbers are going to be like for fantasy. Maybe I'll get more hyped as time goes on as he gets further and further away from Arizona. But regardless, I think that there's a decent chance that you're talking about comeback player of the year, that you're talking about a team that's in the playoffs and could make a deep run. And all of those things will be super nice knife twists for the Cardinal fans out here. We'll see how they're, they better fix that offensive line. That is, that's what we saw from Kyler in Arizona. Because if, if the offensive line is bad, Kyler Murray's, the dog has left the kennel. Yeah. Nice. Yeah. He does not have, he goes down quick. He does not step up into the pocket. No, he's tired of getting hit. He'll try to run and slide. Ever since he got hurt. I think he is a very talented player. A very talented quarterback. He is, he is, he is, he is, he is, he is gifted. So talented. He is such a coward. I mean, yeah. Yeah. This is your winner. Oh, yeah. He is a coward. He plays like a coward. I was trying to say it the nicest way I could. Are you a coward? I love you. Are you a coward though? If you are that legitimately, this is not just an, if you're that small, you could call him, isn't it just being intelligent? Yes. Absolutely. Because of, because of squish. I think he, I think he is not unwise to play like a coward. I'm not saying I'm going out there to, right? I will, I would be a coward. I'm not. If I'm out there, make no mistake. I would be a coward. I am a coward. Right. Like Kyler Murray. Right. There you go. I'm going to, I'll go next Mike. Winner. I think you're exercising some, we're all exercising our demon. The opportunity is amazing. And for goodness sakes, let's, let's get Jefferson back into a weekly car. Can we do our conversation about studs and duds? Can we talk about Jefferson the stud every once in a while? Please? That'll be, that'll be fun. So don't be a coward Kyler. Two sophomore tight ends. Those are my biggest winners for free agency. It's not always the guy who changes teams. Nope. It is the beneficiaries on both of these teams, the emerging young talents, Tyler Warren, Colston, Loveland. Those are my biggest winners for fantasy football purposes. Michael Pittman, a product of the free agent period, the signing of Alec Pierce meant that Michael Pittman was going to get shipped out of town to Pittsburgh. And then Colston, Loveland with the departure of DJ Moore, the emergence over the late part of the year. I like a dunes day. I like Luther burden. In fact, I went back and watched the Luther burden tape again. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Really? Like I was ready to go like right back into the like a dunes day. I'll be the cheaper, better option. And I watched that tape and I was like, nope. And I loved burden coming out of college. Man, he might be the one. But yeah, it's, it's, I thought about putting Colston Loveland down for the biggest winner on this. And I had just done the exact same thing you did. I just watched all that Luther burden tape and I was like, I think he might, he might, he's, he's, he's, he just was really good. He moves different. You forget because the season is long and he had such short stints of success. But when you go and you watch all the success together and you go, oh man, he looks so good. Yeah. And Loveland was dominant for this team over the late part of the year. It's funny because Michael Pittman vacated 21% of the targets in Indianapolis, which you're like, that's a lot. And Tyler Warren is very good. And Daniel Jones will be back. But then you look at Chicago and DJ Moore was 17%. But Ole Mita Zaccheus was another 12% of that offense. So that's 29% vacated in Chicago. So that does mean good things for like, you can sub in Luther Burton's name and Roma Dunes' name for Colston Loveland. All three of those guys are winners in Chicago. DJ Moore was unnecessary expense. That's what he was. He was just too, like they literally had to come up with different ways to use him that were just not even that beneficial to the team. It's a good move for both of those guys to have some of their competition leave town. Colston Loveland playoff target share was 28% with DJ Moore. It was 23% weeks 14 through 18. Right now in underdog like Trey McBride's the expensive tight end at 18 overall. So that makes Tyler Warren to me stand out at least in terms of like people already expecting and baking in the Loveland league. The Warren is not being accounted for. Well, and the Warren is crazy because to me you say, okay, is Colston Loveland the number one target on the team, the number one target on the bears? Probably. That's how I'd probably say. I would say could be. I don't think it is probable when you've got, you know, we were just talking about Luther Burton how good he looked and you've got Roma Dunes a, but on the other side, when you say like to me, Tyler Warren will be the leading target for the Colts. I think that I think the probability, I agree with you, the probability of who gets the higher percentage of target share I would put to the Tyler Warren side. The competition outside of the tight end is greater for Chicago's talent than it is for that's wall in the inapolis is talent because Josh Downs will get, I mean, he's going to be a beneficiary. Alec Pierce is a beneficiary of this. Both of those guys, but 20 picks different for Tyler Warren. That might be a shot worth taking both those guys big winners. Warren ended the year at a 21% target share. I think he, I think he makes the jump to 25 next year, which is out just awesome for a tight end. Yeah. And I mean, I'm, I am team Loveland over Warren, but when all things are factored in to how people are, the markets reacting to Warren, I don't think it's reacting to Warren. I'm not reacting enough. How it is reacting to Loveland. Yeah. Yeah. I think so. All right. Who's your big winner? I mean, come on. It's, it is. It's just how, how much winning is the question for Ken Bone Walker, AKA Kenneth Walker, the third, if you are, if you are, his name, number one enforced mistack rate last year compared to the Kansas city running backs as a team as a unit, they ranked dead last in that metric. Last year, the Kansas city running backs had one run of more than 20 yards. It's crazy. Kenneth Walker himself had 10 and that was Kenneth Walker who had the, I mean, he had a, he had a governor on him. Like he had, he had the restrictor that his team was just not giving him a true workhorse role. You could, the anti-Walker side will say, well, that kept him healthy. Maybe, maybe, maybe Kenneth Walker would have just stayed healthy. When you look back on Kenneth Walker's success as a fantasy running back, his first three years, his good games, you know, 47%, 53, thank you, 55% in year three and his, the bust rate very, very low. But then last year it jumps up to 41% because you had Zach Charbonnet come in and take all the touchdowns. As of right now, there is nobody in Kenneth Walker's way for the goal line role in Kansas city. He will be first in line for receptions. He will be first in line for touchdowns. I mean, it's like maybe they bring Kareem Hunt back and they say, well, he was real successful in the, in the short area. I still think that the, the contract, that like the amount of money that they have guaranteed to Kenneth Walker puts him as the guy. The ant, it's, it's been a long time. We have, we have been waiting for the next Andy Reed running back to show up because do not forget Andy Reed was our king. He was the fantasy football running back king. It did not matter who he drafted. There's a reason Clyde Edwards, the letter went just catapulted to the one oh one in rookie drafts over Jonathan Taylor, who was clearly a better player than Clyde because Andy Reed's running backs give us dominant, dominant. Kareem Hunt was dominant. Westbrook was dominant. Shady McCoy. I mean, he uses in, he's used workhorse guys before Eric B. enemy being back. I think that is a huge deal. Like those, those were the Kareem Hunt years. So, I'm super excited for Kenneth Walker right now when underdog he's going as the running back 11. And for me, when I've looked at the names or going in front of him, I think that is just too low. We had this debate. I don't know if it was on the foot caster when we were talking about it because we were looking at like, was it dynasty startup rankings for running backs? We did. Yeah, we did have that conversation. I don't know. Jason was, yeah, Jason wasn't here on that one. I am curious where you have Ken Walker slotted in. For me, he's at eight in dynasty because he is ahead of Bucky Irving for me. He's ahead of Judkins for me. He's behind Jonathan Taylor still Hampton, H and Gentie Gibbs and Bijon. The way I felt about the Walker discussion was, it was, yes. I mean, for me, it's, well now in, in Jeremiah Love is in that as well. But it's like, the conversation of dynasty running backs goes, starts with Bijon and Jameer Gibbs. And to me, those are the only two that I can, I will concrete them above Kenneth Walker. Now the rest, but the rest of the list, really? Yeah. That's, that's where I was. I mean, I'm trying to get a bit disconnected from them. I'm talking firm concrete is only Bijon and Gibbs. Ashen Gentie is not firm concrete. No, he's not. He is from. Amarian Hampton is not firm concrete. No, he is not. Divine H-Hand should be. Situation is, is weird. To me, I'm, it's funny because I'm, I'm kind of more on Mike's side where I, I think with a new contract, he's not that old, even though he was 25. Yeah. He feels older than he is. He's 25.4 years old. It's, it's, it's a great situation. I could see him being a top five fantasy back at the end of the year. However, there's a, there's a handful of younger running backs that I would still put in a tier above Walker. Yeah. You're still, you're still depending on him doing something he hasn't done. That's a realistic thing to say. Sure. He is, he has not finished in the top 15 at the position ever. So you're still counting on this transition of teams. Like it's easy to look through it through the rose-colored glasses when you make a change and the guy is your Super Bowl MVP. I'm just saying that like that's, that's a bet that's tough. Like when everything looks like he can do something he's never done before. Will he stay healthy? That is, that is a, a probably his biggest question. He did this last year, but that was due to the infuriating, you know, time share. I think the money they gave him means that he is going to be a workhorse. I, I'm going to say the money means he's going to stay healthy. I wish that was the way I think they're going to, I got a cut. Give me a 20. A ton of work. And if he stays healthy, we'll be a steal in, in this is not been, it's, it's, I think Kansas City is in general the most difficult situation for us year in and year out. Whether it was dealing with Mahomes when he was great and then Mahomes when he was struggling or dealing with how many different wide receivers since Tyreek Hill, we have projected to be incredible or the Isaiah Pacheco's of the world or all of the, whatever, Brashad Smith's that you have opportunities. It's too tantalizing. Andy Reed is too tantalizing because you always know that the best you can get from Kansas City is the best in the league. Right. There's other teams where you're like, if Ken Walker went there, you're like, oh, okay. His ceiling, like the ceiling for Ken Walker on a perfect season is, is top three. Not every team affords you that. So I mean, when you talk about where you'd want to go, if you're Ken Walker, I think you wanted to go to Kansas City really badly. And I think that it gives us as fancy players a huge opportunity. And it's, it's very fun of like if Kenneth Walker coming off of the season he had goes back to Seattle, you know, especially with the Charbonnet ACL injury. I mean, he's probably still being drafted as like a top 15 running back. Certainly. But after the Super Bowl run. But I'm saying, so now he, his, his price hasn't skyrocketed. Yeah. But his situation has gotten drastically better. We don't really disagree other than where you slot him in dynasty wise, which I think is aggressive, but you've had a good year. Mike, you know, he's one year older than HN. Yeah, I do. I just have like, but HN is a better player than he is. A much better player. Much better. He is definitely a better player than HN is. I mean, it's the same thing you'd say about Gibbs. Same thing you'd say about B. John. I think Jonathan Taylor is probably a better player than he is. Now, he is, but he's, but he's, yeah, he's 27. I'll have him one spot ahead. 20. We were looking today, man, Jonathan Taylor, he's 27. He's got one year left in Indy. Yeah. He, he, that one's going to get sketchy and dynamic. He's going to be a situation to pay attention to. He'll be franchise next year. Well, that's the thing is. Oh yeah. So he'll do two more years in Indy. Is, is Johnny, Johnny Taylor is going to be on watch this summer of, is he going to make any sort of stink? Right. Like I need more guaranteed money. He sure should. Or I'll see you guys in week one. Or if they're in the basement, do they talk? Is he a trade deadline chat? All right. We'll take another break. We'll come back and get into the biggest losers of free agency in just a minute. Okay. Okay. Doki looks like we got a couple of running backs and a wide receiver on our list of players that maybe free agency didn't work out the best for. No. I mean, mine is someone that it, I don't know if it's a chicken or an egg situation here, but Alvin Kamara is poof, is vanished, is gone. There's been rumors that I've been seeing that. Yes. Oh, we need the reverse sound of that one. I think we have it. We have that. We have a bad. Yeah. We have. We did have it at one point. I'll dig it up. So the Travis ETN contract coming on board. I mean, this is a massive amount of money. They are saying we need a running back Alvin Kamara, isn't it? And really, if you look at the metrics of what Kamara did this last year, real, real bad. It was not efficient, which has always been Kamara's calling card. And when you give out that kind of money, it says to me that they're done with Kamara. And I wonder if Kamara is done with football. Like I don't, I don't know. I mean, obviously he's not come out and said, I'm, I'm walking away, but the Saints seem to know something that the average person might not know about the running back room there in New Orleans, because you just don't go out. If you think Kamara is still your guy or still capable and give Travis ETN that much money. Kamara, if he is playing for the Saints this next year, he is a backup. And we've never seen that before. So to me, it's like, I don't want to touch Kamara. And if I had him in a dynasty league and I could get anything for him, oh, you will. I will. You will be offered a bag of potato chips. I think right. I can eat that. Yeah. I can eat those. I think right before free agency, didn't they restructure him and move a bunch of money into signing bonus? There were people, I think it was like $8 million. They moved or they saved off of cap space by moving money into a signing bonus, which might be a lifetime achievement award for Alvin Kamara, because this is a Saints legend who yearning your route was a dominator. Then he dealt with injuries more and more and more and more. Yeah. They converted 10 million of his salary into signing bonus. I mean, to me, that was the first sign that they were looking to move on from Alvin Kamara, whether it's formal or informal and he's just a bit part on this team. The signing of ETN to your point, Jason, it just eliminates the possibilities of Kamara being relevant again. Hey, champ. Well, the Travis, while Alvin Kamara is the biggest fantasy loser, he might be the biggest life winner. Because if I'm Alvin Kamara, ain't no way I'm retiring. I'm staying on this team. I'm going to let Travis ETN go out there and be the football player. I'm just going to do laps, high five on all the fans, cash in checks, and everyone will still love you. New Orleans will love Alvin Kamara forever. Any chance he takes the goal line away from ETN? Because ETN lost goal line last year to two. And Kamara's always been pretty okay around there. It would be very funny. Alvin Kamara, goal line back? I don't think that's going to happen, though. I hope they throw the ball to ETN at Kamara-like levels. I think they will. I mean, that's one of ETN's best attributes. He's got very, very good hands. And they, you know, similar to like the, when you have that level of money that you're giving to a back with Kin Bone and with Travis ETN, you are bringing them into do a lot of ball touching. ETN. Whoa. What did you just say? Don't worry about it. Whoa. You got the big siren behind you. Last year, Travis ETN had 12 carries inside the five. Thank you. But I mean, like time it up better producers. Limitations. Like not mid stat. Last year. I found it. You hold it. Hold it right now. And then you wait for your moment. Travis ETN. No. 12 carries. No, it works. 12 carries inside the five that turned into two touchdowns. Oh, I remember that as a bad dad's doodoo. That's like your basalt toon was seven carries turned into five. And we were talking this morning now. We still, we got to figure out what Jacksonville is going to do in the goal. Goal line packages. Cause tootin was good. Subbing in for a really bad ETN, but crott is bigger than tootin. That's a fun sentence. I was just double checking. It is what I meant to say. I was going to go next. I'm not going to do that because I was already laughing at what I wrote, what I saw in Mike's in Mike's note here for the biggest loser of the off season. Mike, so I'll let you take it away. I'm going with RJ Harvey because like I'm factoring everything in the, the, the, the excitement, the rise of RJ Harvey being a shocking second round pick that I don't think any of the mock drafters had starting to feel like a little on their board. It was Sean Payton. I'm going to be the smartest man in the room and take a player that I definitely could have gotten at least one round later, if not further on in the draft. But he, you know, he's the second round pick. He's, he's taken by Peyton. You just have J K Dobbins there. All the back and forth over the off season, J K Dobbins was truly their main runner. RJ Harvey was just a bit player. And then, but then, you know, Dobbins loses the season, the injury, RJ Harvey is the main guy. He's getting by with volume and some touchdowns, but in terms of like his advanced numbers, they were not, they're not strong numbers among 55 qualified running backs with 80 or more. You're trying to get it on, but it's on the new screen now, Andy. Try to hit the button. Yeah. We'll figure that out. We got to get Josh back in. Among 55 qualified running backs with 80 or more running at a rush attempts. He was 51st in percent of runs stuffed at the line, stuffed 52% of the time. 49th in rush success rate, 48th in yards after contact per attempt. Like this is not good stuff. And then, then there was all the, you know, the whispers and rumors of like, well, who else? They're in on, they were in on all the big breeze hall. Yeah. The big free agent names, they were in, even though it seemed like, well, they're a shoe. Look at JK Dobbins back. And then for Harvey to have to worry about Dobbins was that would be an issue. If you're talking breeze hall level of a player in and commitment, then RJ Harvey is just, he will be a backup. Well, that didn't happen, but Dobbins is back. And I think that Dobbins is going to be the primary ball carrier yet again. The fact that there was so much smoke around the Denver Broncos running back room, then RJ Harvey's inefficiencies and he got, like he, he got the opportunity. You know, the, the, the worst in fantasy football is when you believe in a player and they just, you never get to see them fail. They just, they fail not on the field. Like that's always a bummer, but RJ Harvey had his chance there at the end of the year to, to, to tell the team, you don't need to add anybody else. This is RJ Harvey's backfield that did not happen. So could you make the argument though, that since there was definite smoke, they cared about, Sean Payton literally came out and said, one of the most important positions to upgrade this offseason was running back. Right. Name three, it was like linebacker tight in and running back. And so obviously that's bad. They were going to add someone. Couldn't you make the argument that it's kind of good news that the only player they added was JK Dobbins off of an injury? You can. But I think, Who else are they going to add from that crop? Right. Also, they're not done. It's, they will draft. I, I would make a wager that they will add someone in the, in the draft. I don't know how strong of a draft capital pick they will use that, but that's another point of the, like, if it comes, they draft the running back in the third round. Your RG Harvey shares are, are gone. Like you, your stock is cratered at that point. If you want to wait and take that bet in that dance. This is where, this is just one of the players in conversation situations where fantasy and reality are, are going to diverge a little bit where, like RG Harvey is not such a bad player that he doesn't have a huge impact on this team. Like he's, he helps the Broncos. He can catch the football. He's versatile. Like to me, it's like, you know, Kenny Gainwell. Is more what he is to me. A very competent, you know, versatile player, but not, none of us are sitting here going, Kenny Gainwell is going to be the lead back on a team. And I think that's the new acceptance that we're going to have to have with RG Harvey is that, you know, if you bring back a guy in JK Dobbins, that you relied on on first and second down most often, you're going to have a vastly inconsistent fantasy production for, for RG Harvey. And that's, you know, I just didn't see any plays last year when he had that opportunity that made me go, Oh my gosh, he's the dude. It's a lot like Clyde Edwards, Alera and Jonathan Taylor differential. It's sadly true to me. It's like Clyde was fine. He really was. He was like fine. Yeah. For Kansas City. He wasn't special for him. But when he had it, you know, the ball in the open field and stuff like that, I was like, okay, you get what's there. And, but it feels really insulting to RG Harvey. It's not his fault. He got drafted right there. Right. You know, and the expectations for fantasy players were heaped upon him. Only five and a half percent of his carries went for more than 10 yards. That's what you saw. You saw that kind of, you know, okay, he got the ball. That's how it felt. But I guess I'm going, I guess I'm going with the other side of my fantasy football. Winner. I gotta make sure that I find the right version of this. But Michael Pittman, Jr. wide receiver one for the Pittsburgh Steelers. It is really cool that you went to a team where your name is like the team. I mean, that is awesome. Pity. That's a win. That's a win for you. And they give him more cash. He got more money. Yeah. He's a winner for sure. Just not for fantasy football. To me, he's not for fantasy. I think some people might debate it. Like, oh, he can go there and like, I just don't see it. I think we're going to have to have a new expectation for Michael Pittman. I looked at the Daniel Jones weeks last year. He was on pace for 98 catches. Michael Pittman was before the final four weeks of the year. Mike up until that. So we threw one through 14. Michael Pittman was an outstanding draft pick. If he was even drafted in your league, seven of nine weeks, the first nine weeks, he was in the top 24 on pace for 11 touchdowns, a thousand yards, 98 catches. We just went through an entire season of frustration with DK Metcalf's inconsistent opportunities in this offense. And we don't have an answer at quarterback that any of us are going to be happy about. If Will Howard is there, you're not making me excited about Pittman sharing with DK Metcalf. What about Ty Simpson? No. No. What about Aaron Rodgers? No. No, there's not an answer. Even. Oh, Kirk Cousins is now. What about Josh Allen? OK. OK. Good. If they get Josh Allen. I don't know how they did it, but I'm interested. Yeah, I see now you're interested. That was impressive. Yeah, if they get Josh Allen, I'm very interested. But wait, wait, wait. The quarterback? Oh, I'm out. Michael Pittman is going to settle into a wide receiver, three, four existence. Touchdown dependent, handful of catches, very scared of the future for Michael Pittman. Have you seen when people put the list out there and they like they specifically show you these are the quarterbacks that Michael Pittman has played with? I have not seen brother group as a whole brother. Trigger search. Search Twitter. I bet you'll live in a tough life. It is for the level of talent that Michael Pittman is. And I'm not saying he's a top five or what. Michael Pittman is a good wide receiver. Is he living the DeTerey McCleary and DJ more life? He has had it. Okay. Kyle found it. Here we go. Carson Wentz, Jacob Eason, Sam Elinger, Nick Foles, Matt Ryan, Anthony Richardson, Gardner Minshew, Richardson again, Joe Flacco, Daniel Jones, Riley Leonard, Phillip Rivers. That's who Michael Pittman is play with. And now add in Aaron Rogers slash Will Howard. Like this man. I don't know. I don't know. I see Superbowl MVP. I see NFL. Yeah. Nick Foles. I see NFL MVP Matt Ryan. Yeah. I Superbowl champ. Yeah. Joe Flacco. Yeah. Don't worry about the year. Aaron Rogers. First ballot hall of famer. He gets a bunch of quarterbacks at the wrong part of their career. Yeah. It's been a tough run for Michael Pittman. And he's actually been really good. I'm not taking him over DK Metcalf in drafts. That's for sure. No, no, you'd rather have Metcalf. Yeah, I would. I will because I will not draft DK Metcalf. That's fine. I'm not saying I want to draft Metcalf. I'm saying if I had them both on the board so late that I'm happy taking a stealer wide receiver, I'd still take Metcalf just for Explosivo. But maybe the right thing to do is to take the guy that's going to catch four for 41 with a chance at a touchdown instead of getting completely blanked by DK. But yeah, those are some other other names. There were a lot of other winners and losers, obviously. You know, Justin Herbert, major offensive line help, big time winner. Josh Allen getting DJ Moore, Brock Purdy getting Mike Evans. You know, Jameer Gidd is losing the Montgomery goal line situation, big time winner. Zach Sharpenay, I guess, is a winner. So far. Alec Pierce getting the bag of money. We talked about them a lot. Jefferson we talked about. And then on the loser side, some other names. I mean, Millie Quillis just suddenly has no one to throw to. I see Drake may Drake may on what's is that from pivoting from to digs to dobs? Yeah, I think that's not a that's not a that's lateral at worst. It's lateral. I think it's more like a disappointment over not getting like, you know, they did something happen on the back wall. Yeah, what just happened? Let's see. What? Oh, I animations. And then we and then we smoke bomb. Oh, yeah, we disappeared. It's just, you know, there were the rumors that they were going to get one of these big wider. They still could. Yeah. But there's there's other Khalil Shakir. I think is there were rumors. Big loser. Oh, it doesn't work when I push it. It works when you push it. I'll get that patched up. Huh. Sorry. I cut you off there for the for the effect. The special effect. Breece Hall. Big loser. And I love Breece Hall and Breece did nothing. No, he did. No, you know what? You know what? He actually did. He was too good. That's true. He was too good. The team was like, we're going. We have the ability to not let you go test the market. We're going to keep you. And that is so sad. It's rude. It is. It is. So all right. I think that's going to do it for today's episode of the show. Thank you for joining us. We'll be back with another episode on Thursday and it'll probably be. It'll probably be OK. Who knows what graphics we'll have by then. It could be a good one. So shout out to everyone. But Matt, appreciate y'all. Goodbye. Thank you for listening to another episode of the Fantasy Footballers podcast. 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