Ep.034 From Conformity to Innovation: Rebuild Leadership and Systems
47 min
•Jan 9, 20263 months agoSummary
Dr. Jake Taylor Jacobs explores how tradition and conformity are the greatest threats to organizational innovation and growth. He argues that the phrase "we've always done it this way" has destroyed more organizations than any competitor, and presents five principles for breaking the tradition trap: questioning everything, prioritizing impact over optics, building coalitions, making failure safe, and leading with evidence.
Insights
- Tradition without evolution is slow organizational death masked by stability branding; the biggest threat to innovation is not incompetence but adherence to outdated practices
- Organizations erode slowly through four stages: losing young talent attraction, losing top talent retention, losing innovation capacity, then becoming irrelevant—not from lack of effort but from preserving what should have evolved
- Operational blindness occurs when leaders have access to abundant data but lack proper systems and frameworks to interpret it into actionable decisions, leading to analysis paralysis
- The difference between stability and stagnation is critical: stability means growing at a sustainable pace while stagnation means doing just enough to survive without meaningful progress
- Tradition is defended by people who achieved longevity through survival, not performance; these individuals often control organizational culture despite not being top performers
Trends
Healthcare industry experiencing talent erosion due to outdated recruitment and retention practices that don't appeal to younger generationsOrganizations accumulating legacy technology and disconnected systems that create departmental silos and operational inefficiencyLeadership gap between those with authority to drive innovation but lacking decision-making power and those with power but resisting changeRise of evidence-based leadership approaches replacing tradition-based decision making in forward-thinking organizationsShift from command-and-control hierarchies to coalition-building models for implementing organizational changeGrowing recognition that data abundance without proper interpretation frameworks creates decision paralysis rather than clarityIndustries built on tradition experiencing accelerated talent drain as high performers seek organizations embracing innovationEmergence of operational systems designed to measure and prevent human behavioral errors before they cascade into organizational problems
Topics
Organizational Innovation and Change ManagementLeadership Development and GumptionTradition vs. Evolution in OrganizationsOperational Blindness and Data InterpretationHealthcare Industry Staffing and Talent RetentionDepartmental Silos and Cross-Functional CommunicationEvidence-Based Decision MakingFailure as Learning in Innovation CultureCoalition Building for Organizational ChangeLegacy Systems and Technology ModernizationStability vs. Stagnation in OrganizationsMetrics and Performance MeasurementConformity and Its Organizational CostsLeadership Courage and Risk-TakingGenerational Differences in Workplace Culture
Companies
IBM
Referenced as historical example of successful transformation from tradition-bound company under Lou Gerstner's leade...
SIMS Healthcare
Dr. Jacobs' healthcare operations company expanding to five facilities with new operational systems replacing legacy ...
People
Lou Gerstner
Former IBM executive who transformed the company by eliminating outdated traditions; recently passed; cited as model ...
Dr. Jake Taylor Jacobs
Episode host and healthcare executive; has been involved in family business since age 12; discusses his decade-plus e...
Quotes
"The biggest threat to innovation isn't incompetence, it's actually tradition. The phrase 'we've always done it this way' has destroyed more organizations than any competitor ever could or would."
Dr. Jake Taylor Jacobs•Opening segment
"Tradition is the comfortable lie we tell ourselves when we're too afraid to change. It's the shield we hide behind when someone suggests a better way."
Dr. Jake Taylor Jacobs•Mid-episode
"Conformity feels safe, but it's the most dangerous position you can take. While you're conforming, the world is changing, and when you finally decide to adapt, you're so far behind you can't catch up."
Dr. Jake Taylor Jacobs•Segment two
"Leadership is the software, systems are the hardware, and innovation is what happens when you refuse to let tradition write your code."
Dr. Jake Taylor Jacobs•Closing segment
"The people defending traditions aren't defending what works—they're defending what's comfortable. And comfort is the enemy of progress."
Dr. Jake Taylor Jacobs•Final segment
Full Transcript
Bridge builders welcome back to bread to lead the pie class that's built to create Phenomenal leaders last week we talked about scaling Surviving mode within organizational structure and how to know where you are today We're talking about what you do when you get to certain levels of leadership because here's the Well, I've discovered over the last decade And turn around is that the biggest threat to innovation isn't incompetence is actually tradition The phrase we've always done it this way has destroyed more organizations than any competitor ever could or would and The industries that pride themselves on tradition They're the ones that start deteriorating at the fastest rate known to man because Tradition without evolution is just slow death with better branding and today we're talking about leading with gumption Having the courage to be different daring to challenge what everyone else accepts not for the sake of being disruptive But for the sake of building something that actually works something that doesn't just survive but thrives Because as we know leadership is the software systems are the hardware and Innovation is what happens when you refuse to let tradition right your future. Let's go bridge builders Since the age of 12 I've been by my father's business at the age of 30 I think it's very important as we begin to digest The information that we're going to talk about this episode and moving forward in the season I just have a couple of things. I'm just excited about our operational system is Officially going to be in five facilities starting the quarter. There's a lot of legacy technologies and systems that are slowly beginning to start moving out of The space because innovation is needed and in this space and time we're dealing with this this this split Leadership the pool of leaders or leadership. Oh, let's call it the leadership hustle for lack of better words where you have the leaders who Want to drive innovation, but they don't have signability You have certain leaders that do have signing ability and they're just trying to keep it as smooth and easy to get to retirement so you have like this thing and then there's a bunch of people in between and One of the biggest concepts that we're bringing to light this year is operational blindness because I You know after talking with so many leaders being in hospitals talking with executives I'm beginning to realize that everybody kind of understands the metrics Or the reasons why they're underperforming they just don't have the full solution And then the second thing is when it comes to leadership and really pushing something through a lot of leaders Lack the ability of follow through meaning I start this initiative to create change and I drive that change regardless of what happens And so we're dealing with this space and honestly, I just believe that we actually don't lack quality leaders We don't lack quality clinicians What we are what we're struggling is actually putting ourselves in the best position To win just because of these old traditional Isms that don't mean anything You know, we have these silos of like clicks within the organizational structure of health care and some of you may see it in your own businesses and different industries But in my business my my industry currently health care There's a lot of silos of departments that kind of work against each other But not because they want to but because the systems are so disenfranchised It causes like this chasm of confusion while everybody's you know feel like they're doing the right thing It's kind of like your own world and you do your part and everybody else has to do theirs or else And it doesn't really work as we're talking about moving forward with innovation in this space I'm we're dealing with you know a huge shortage I want to come to staffing all across the board and health care so our organizations have to get stronger smarter faster And I'm excited to announce that our system is going into facilities. We've released the of The operational system in a couple of hospitals last year and our technology is now following those facilities And I'm excited to say you know, we have we have hospital Departments operating with less FTE actually cut down even more And they're operating in so much better workflow with a lot more Optimize efficiency modeling and and and the goal and the thing that we found out with this concept that we that we termed Operational blindness that we'll be bringing and you actually can go to our site sipshealthcare.com Click blogs and you can see our white paper there I believe I put it on my link to and to but yes operational blindness our newest book operational blindness It's coming out to That's that's bringing to terms That why organizations are inefficient and a lot of reasons these leaders are putting in these positions to Have full responsibility for departments that they don't truly have full control over because there's so many many mechanisms that are kind of in the way of them running their business and then to We're operating in a new world running on old systems and we have to start to mature those systems so we give our leaders an opportunity to succeed and in last week we were talking about these scales of change and the truth is It's hard to actually get to the scale of change if we're still operating with blindness more than ever Leaders have access to more data more than ever the problem is that these leaders don't have the Proportals in systems to be able to know how to compute that data to get it to some type of resolve or result And I think that's the biggest thing that we have to pay attention to because actually Leaders are a lot more fearful of making decisions with all of this data Then they ever have before without data because data has been so like it is the future or is all the end all be all but properly and rightfully interpreted data Is important for making a decision but just getting clunky data for the sake of it That's kind of what we're doing and we see organizations because you know technology has priced themselves crazy within the healthcare space for whatever reason But we see these organizations actually buying these you know smaller little tools and trinkets to try to help them consume that data and make better decisions But it's just it's just making These sub-departments even more disenfranchised and those are the things that we have to kind of fix So we'll be talking about a lot of these those things in this pie class if you knew to a bread to leave pie class This is bread to leave this is not a pie cast as a pie cast class With the objective that you learn something that you can go apply into your organization your career now I am currently in the business of healthcare and so I'll have a lot of business organizational references to the business I am in however you can get this business advice that I'm giving you and provided to whatever industry that you're in But we're really talking about truly truly building optimal Organizations and driving change in leadership. So if you listen to me for the first time PN paper pad is great Or even screen-shotting the time that you listen to a good point She want to come back to I think it's very important that the context of this and then those that I've been listening Thank you for helping us stay in the top 15 in the business mark the business category as far as ranking and then when it comes to the monthly rankings Thank you all for that for helping us stay there Obviously it is working and you're doing well. Yes our newest book operational blindness is coming out pretty soon You all that are familiar with me. I like to write a white paper in a book every year But especially if there's a real need that I feel like that the voice or some type of content needs to go out So if you're interested in that book we'll be talking about it soon on how you can be able to get it for Actually for free. So we'll talk about those things in a little bit. So let's get to segment one But I think it's important because One in the book operational blindness. I make a lot of references to Who says elephants can't dance and it's a book written by a Lewis Gertner who actually just passed and he was the executive that turned around the American great IBM And where IBM was in the 90s is kind of where healthcare as a whole is right now and When when Lewis came into IBM or came into the company had no technical experience With running a tech driven company or even technology itself But he understood people organization and processes which is much more like me coming into healthcare And one of the biggest things he did was get rid of these sage old traditions that cause more horn Then they actually do and what we found out what we find about traditions some of them are good But most of them are just to keep carrying on those people that are underperforming So you kind of create these isms of survival and what happens if you kind of think about it within an organizational structure As people are developing and growing most organizations your best talent either promotes up or they promote out And who kind of stays within the organizations are those they do enough to get by or they're not as prominent as far as talent Now I'm not saying that people that spend 10 15 20 30 years in one place doesn't have talent What I am saying is that a lot of the isms and the culture and the myths or the The sacred cows that hold organizations together the fact that we've always done something this way A lot of times is being controlled by people in the organization that just have been there the longest through survival Not necessarily the longest through performance And I think that's very important for us to understand and ask ourselves where are we getting this tradition from And is it a tradition of those that have burned a path that created true change where I am Or is this a tradition from somebody who's been in the organization the longest but has never been a type of former And I think it's very important for us to understand what that looks like so that we can realize where you know How we need to operate And of course you have top performers who are the exception However, when it comes to really really really asking ourselves How do we come to our decision making models we really have to ask ourselves Where did this decision making model come from which which takes us to a system rooted concept or construct I have to go figure out what's going on at the system level. Yes, the symptom is my team is frustrated Yes, the symptom is my leadership isn't communicating Yes, the symptom is the OR is not talking to SPD. Yes, the system is we can't give materials management to be on the same page with us and EVS That's that's the symptom But systematically who put what processes or developments in place on the railroad that we're running on And we have to think about it like when we come into an organization or we're really looking at an organization I like to look at it like I'm looking at a railroad, right? And I have this new beautiful train that I want to put on the train tracks on this railroad However, if I never change the destination or or the journey of that railroad It doesn't matter what beautiful train I put on the tracks is going to end up in the same exact place That the other trains did before so when I'm systematically looking at an organization We have to ask ourselves before we move anything forward Where did we get this tradition from Who created these systems? Who made this a rule and is that person somebody still in the organization or is this somebody that got fired that left that was under performer But we got comfortable running on this way that we keep under performing what we realized is that organizations have the wrong metrics And a lot of those metrics policies procedures SOPs and things that were put in place were put in place by people that you wouldn't even follow today So I want to tell you what tradition really is Tradition is the is is the comfortable lie we tell ourselves when we're too afraid to change It's the shield we hide behind when someone suggests they better way and we don't want to admit we've been doing it all wrong It's the excuse we use to avoid the hard work of redesigning what's broken The we always have done it this way translation is I don't want to think about whether there is a better way Because that may mean that my way is either outdated or it's never worked in the first place Or this is how the industry works the translation for that is I'm afraid to be the one who does it differently If it's not broke don't fix it the translation for that is I can't see that is breaking because I'm not willing to look This is this is something let's let's park here for a second a lot of us do this with our finances If I don't look at my account If I don't go talk to that person if I don't have that hard conversation it would just kind of fix itself If it's if it's not broken don't fix it, but it's literally hanging on a hinge Like these are things that we have to address and here's the pattern that I've seen Industries built on tradition don't fail overnight. They erode painfully and slowly And we're looking at the cause the the the cosmos The cause and effect excuse I said cosmos we're looking at the cause and effect of slow painfully erosion in our organizations in our industries right now I'm gonna health care specifically, but if you're listening from different industries, I want you to really pay attention What big companies or what big spaces in the industries are subset of industry And your market that you're in eroded and painfully slow This is where we are and first What happens when you know that an organization or an industry is eroding slowly Painfully and slowly as first they stop attracting young talent Because young talent doesn't want to join something that feels stuck in the past So we're like man, we have a shortage There is a shortage in health care because the way that we were croot and present health care is that of the past and it doesn't attract these new age group of generations Regardless of age it doesn't attract them because it makes it look like we're not moving forward Then the next thing that happens in an industry you stop retaining the best talent Because the best people get frustrated by resistance to change So when I'm going into an organization, I want to know how many best people have left here And a lot of times the best people get pushed out by the ordinary producers It's frustrating Because people that have the ability want change in their pace is faster Their pace is let's just get it done. Let's not sit on it So the first way you know an industry or your organization or your own companies eroding is it when you stop being able to attract high quality young talent The second thing you stop being able to retain the best people The third thing you stop innovating Because innovation requires questioning assumptions and tradition is built on protecting them So it's hard to accept new innovation because innovation brings a light to all of the things that you did just because of tradition So tradition protects it Innovation questions it And finally That industry that subset that company that business becomes irrelevant Not because they didn't work hard, but because they worked hard at preserving what should have evolved And tradition isn't inherently bad of course tradition that refuses to evolve is what's fatal Traditions okay But tradition that doesn't evolve is fatal Per example for those that like sports If a team won championships in football running the football without wild receivers Back in the day they would have won a bunch of championships But today you have to be able to throw the ball as well as running Back in the day if you had a six and 11 six foot 11 seven foot center or power forward You just throw it to them and they can square anytime Today in the NBA point guards are six 10 and six 11 So that approach doesn't work anymore the tradition of Working as a team make you taking the easy shot can stay the same But the way in which we operate the game the game plan the program Has to change as the market or the industry is changing That's what we're talking about when tradition isn't inherently bad tradition So in up on time have an achieve or attitude loving what you do being being joyful at that tradition Having a progression program where people that come in entry levels can progress through your organization That's a great tradition to have A tradition that refuses to evolve that becomes fatal is when we've been doing something one way And you're seeing it start to slow down in that way we have to change for an example If you got the majority of your intern staff from high schools in junior colleges for 40 50 years And over the last 10 years it's not the same anymore You can't stay with that tradition Because that's not where your market is anymore you have to find out where they are so that you can start attracting them to you But then if I don't look at my tradition how we recruiting them How are we showing them the future how are we getting the best and brightest minds in health care What are we doing to be able to retain them if that doesn't change we're going to continue to deal with the erosion of talent in our industry And it goes back to the organizations that are still clinging to the this is the way we've always done it They're not stable. They're stagnant It's stability and stagnation looked the same, but they're actually different Stagnation says hey, let's not change anything. Let's not breathe. Let's just kind of keep things afloat You know what we'll make it work or what we do let's not do more. Let's not do less. Let's just do enough Let's do enough to pass our CMS regulatory tours. Let's let's do our best to make sure that we're doing the best job we can Staying in the gray areas of following our regulatory standards Let's do the best job we can at patient care. That's that is that is Stagnation Stable is we're growing developing and progressing at a pace we can Afford to go at That's what that's what Stable looks like versus stagnant Because stagnant things rot naturally stagnant things rot So we have to make sure that we're we're being stable In the way that we make decisions, but not stagnant and never making one that helps the organization Nothing that's very important right now. We're going to do a little bit of a commercial break Of those organizations that are knowing you know that you have good leadership You know that you have people that work hard, but something just seems to not work right this why you have to reach out This sims health care dot com let us hear what you're going through in how our operating systems throw by design Can not only help you run your department, but also monitor it with our preventative maintenance and our preventative care Technology that allows for the supervisor to know that there's a technology that prohibits and Mitigates some mistakes before they happen one of the biggest things that we have to understand is that human behavior is almost measurable you can pretty much count With a clock how many times somebody's going to make the same mistakes and it looks the same you know these things So our technology understands human behavior and we prohibit a lot of mistakes that happen that typically causes and most of the effects within the organization So look into that if you haven't got any of our books bread to lead built to bleed or now are new Book that's coming out operational blindness Please be on a lookout for that link coming out soon, but go to amazon and go and pick out a book and purchase a book and For you and your team built a bread to lead helps you with foundational leadership built to bleed Exposes SPD managers To the operational business side of spd and operational blindness talks to the executive about what to do To keep these mistakes from continuously happening and having a hospital lose money. Okay commercials are over Let's get back to the pie class segment two We're going to be talking about the cost of conformity and I want to share with you a story about five years ago I walked into an organization that had been operating the same for about 30 years Same process is same hierarchy same assumptions about what worked because it worked in the past And on paper it looked fine. They were profitable. They had loyal clients. They had longevity, but underneath they were dying And their turnover was accelerating their margins were shrinking the reputation was shifting from establish to outdated And when I suggested changes workflow designs technology upgrades cultural shifts I got the same response for leadership. That's not how we do things here So I asked a simple question. How does that work for you and why am I here? If you bought me in because you know there's something wrong, but you the paper it looks good If your response is going to be that's not how we do things here How is that working for you and what am I doing? There was nothing but silence and I let them sit in that silence Because they knew They could fill it the slow decline The talented people leaving The opportunity slipping away And the notion to keep blaming COVID or other places or other things Having that ability to blame it is leaving now the board executives are being expected To figure it out But admitting it That things were slipping It meant admitting that they've been wrong In tradition doesn't allow for being wrong Tradition demands conformity And conformity at even the cost of The hospital the organization or the business And conformity of just just just staying stagnant. Let's just let's just keep what we have here You never can keep it Either grow it or it kills off And that conformity There's a cost in it is called the cost of innovation That conformity there's a cost in it is called the cost of growth That conformity there's a cost in it is called the cost of relevance And eventually the cost will eventually be survival Where every decision that is made could Keep the doors to the business open or closing And here's what most leaders don't understand conformity feels safe But it's the most dangerous position that you can take Because while you're conforming the world is changing And when you're finally decide to adapt You're so far behind that you can't catch up That's why scripture says to be in the world but not of it Yes, I'm here operating But I'm not so in in indoctrinated in the culture of conformity That I can't see that we need change I'm in the world like I understand the language the lingo those things But I'm not so conformed in it where I can't see that things are getting that hand And the organizations that thrive aren't the ones that conform They're the ones that dare to be different Not recklessly but intentionally So let's let's really Diagnose this tradition trap Like whether real hardware Software check is like organizationally And here's where the tradition trap happens It's where you have organizational structures that were designed decades ago They don't reflect how work actually happens today Hardware problems the traditional trap comes from processes that were built From a different era that never updated The tradition trap comes from systems that prioritize control over agility The tradition trap comes from infrastructure that makes change change harder than staying the same That's when you know that you're stuck in a tradition And those softer software problems the leadership problems when leaders who built their career on the tradition And see innovation as a threat The leader that had that's grown and matriculated and promoted And the industry or methodology of tradition That has been proven not to be the most efficient or Or a proper way to run the organization in today's time When innovation for transparency and openness and growth is present Those are the leaders who decline innovation because now if if we have technology that can really re-behaviors And truly show work throughput You no longer can hide around the manual scribbled in numbers that you write Or being able to blame something for not working Now you have to actually add value to the organization that you're in That's a threat to them The tradition trap when it comes to the software side of the the the leader side the cultural side Is culture punishes failure So nobody risk trying anything new If I build an organization that punishes you for trying to make something better Or I'm punishing you for failure and not don't have coaching coaching build up moments People will be scared to try anything and they'll rather just keep their job Then to try to make the organization better Teams that have helped have learned helplessness They stop suggesting improvements because they got shut down too many times If every time you come up with a way to make the organization better and it keeps getting shut down people for helpless That's where your organization is And decision makers who confuse longevity with the effectiveness Now we've been doing this for a while or or we got to see this thing out You know very quickly especially when you're running an organization the size of hospitals or size of mid-size business and up You know if something's going to work in the longer in the long run and I you know it you just know it And here's the disconnect When you build Your hard systems For stability, but the environment requires adaptability Healthcare changes every day every organization especially today's times is if any is evolving at a fast rate We have to understand that listen Yes, the intention of what was created maybe brought stability For some time But adaptability is required now we have to relook at our system That soft Where that soft skill problem is When we built a culture or tradition it was programmed for preservation To preserve what's good It's almost coveting the successes of the past While denying the successes of the future because we're resisting transformation and change That's that's really what tradition and culture is I'm preserving the winds of the past And not accepting the changes of the future that will help us win in the in the future The changes we have to make today to help us win the future I'm I'm embracing the past so we build culture and tradition on the past But in order to have a better future after change today Our systems our structures and even create new traditions in culture to be able to have successes in the future It's why it's very important Very important Because tradition says we have to protect it and innovation says We have to build what we need And most organizations are just running on outdated systems That's incompatible with The hardware the future requires So the hard question is is our infrastructure flexible enough to support innovation And the soft the question to ask is do our leaders have the courage to challenge tradition And most organizations fail both checks And that's why industries built on tradition are deteriorating Okay Now I said all that to say I want to talk about With you About what it takes to break that tradition trap What does it take to cut through the noise I'm going to keep it straight I'm going to keep it straight with you It takes gumption Audacity The willingness to be different when everyone else is comfortable being the same It takes your ability to say hey This is the type of organization I want to see If I was here 10 15 years and building that regardless if you're going to be there or not Here are the five principles of innovation and leadership Principle one question everything Just because something has been done a certain way doesn't mean it should continue Start asking why Why this process why this structure why this policy And if the answer is because this is how we've always done it you found something that needs to evolve Tradition should have to justify itself Not justifying innovation Tradition should justify why it needs to stay the same and it needs to be more than just we've we've been doing it this way So the first principle of innovative leadership or innovation in leadership is question everything the second principle And innovation and leadership is part oratized impact over optics Innovation isn't about looking cutting edge. It's about delivering better results Don't change for the sake of change change for the sake of improvement ask this question Does this make us more effective? Does this serve our people better? And does this position us for the future If the answer is yes do it If it makes people even if it makes people uncomfortable if the answer is yes to those questions If it is no then you won I look at innovation and change very simple When I'm looking at being an innovative leader I don't care about optics Because optics always catch up to impact But impact never follows optics Optics follows impact The third Principle of innovation and leadership is you have to build a coalition of the willing You cannot innovate alone You can't wait for everyone to agree either You need to find the people who see what you see The ones who are frustrated by the status quo the ones willing to take risk And build your coalition start small prove the concept let's success create momentum You don't need a unanimous buying you need enough believers to demonstrate that it works And you start with what you have And you create that change you present that change to your leadership team If they don't budge again you change what you have or what you have And you present that change to your leadership team And you keep bringing them The change until they give you what you need to make the big change A lot of times leaders are not saying yes Because they want to see if it really truly means something to you Will you get it done with what you have And will you keep coming to me to make me to make me feel like this is really worth it That's what it takes and truly being a leader is galvanizing people together So that you all believe in the same thing. That's what leadership is And a lot of you go to your leadership team to get signatures alone When you grow when you go with a coalition of people that you got to buy in especially if they're Your neighboring departments That they're backing you on what you need because it helps even make them better It shows the leadership that not only can you get buy in from your organization But it also shows the leaders that not only do you have that process But you also have the ability to get other people involved Prior to the yes that you need from them Because that's the thing once you get the leader to say yes Then now they have to go back and get the approval all the other departments that will be affected by But if you get that approval first you talking with them you're building with them you dream casting with them When that leader knows you already have the other yeses that you need It's a lot easier for them to support you with that innovation always build a coalition The fourth principle and being having innovation and leadership is you need to make failure safe Innovation requires experimentation Experimentation requires failure If your culture punishes failure you'll never innovate So creating environments where people can test ideas without risking their careers where learning from failure is celebrated not hidden That organization Typically, innovates faster than anyone that ever fails And the organization that innovates faster aren't the ones that never fail They're the ones that fail forward When you see innovation and change and re-editions of something It's always started from something else It was a prototype of something that became something that became something that became something that became the final product But having an organization where you actually encourage the Innovation and the change and trying to see what works and what doesn't work with In limitations it does absolutely create an environment that everyone would just say is undeniable Okay, and then the fifth principle A was required for innovation and leadership Is always lead with evidence not just vision and let me tell you something This fifth principle are for all of the leaders out there right now listen to me very closely If you want to lead and be an innovative leader, please understand this last principle Lead with evidence Not just vision Yes, vision is important But data is undeniable When you challenge tradition bring proof pilot programs case studies metrics that show the old way isn't working in the new way does Tradition relies on emotion comfort familiarity nostalgia Innovation relies on results show the results and tradition loses its power This is exactly why the frameworks we've built our evidence base We don't ask organizations to innovate on faith we show them data The outcomes in the ROI We prove that there's a better way and then we give them tools to build it because gumption Without systems is just chaos, but gumption with systems now that's transformation And a lot of leaders have gumption want to pride Are they're proud of trying to push change, but you don't have The evidence To present that change will work in that facility So if you're dealing in an organization that struggles with conformity in tradition And they don't want to accept change bring the evidence So other hospitals and other industries that couldn't attract younger talent How it affected that organization Show other hospitals and other businesses and industries that if they could not keep their top talent and they always Promoted out What happened to that organization show them other organizations and other industries Where if you didn't have a true development plan That people end up leaving Show them other organizations and other healthcare facilities That how culture of the mediocre is what creates the environment of the hospital Because of top performers are leaving Younger people aren't coming The people that just kind of glue keep things together not not saying that they're not hard workers What we're saying is that typically the most high performing Tactician Promote out or they promote up But the meat of the frontline workers control the culture And if I have a high tenure of frontline folks That aren't scaled for Top performance typically they're the average performers. They're there to work They make like they job. They may love their job, but they have other things outside of work that has their attention They have other things that they specialize in other things they study on the side Other things they want to become great or better parents for and most of them may just work there Just to take care of their family if they could just take care of their family without working. They wouldn't even show up Those are the people creating your culture This is what you have why you have to be careful and question all things that are considered traditional Because that tradition could be the hints that's causing operational blindness Okay, going into the last segment. I want you to make sure that you know that our operational blindness is coming up and and Joan June 26 we have a golf tournament here in Dallas, Texas. You can go to scrubbar.org And get you a ticket to come to our golf tournament or get you a couple of tickets and build a team The money that we raise with scrub ball is to be able to help continue to give scholarships and opportunities To youth the younger adults that are trying to get in health care and can't afford to get certified or can't afford basic education We raise money every year so that we can continue to give support and add value to the organizations that we love most Okay Now let's go back to the segment segment the last segment Now after you have that gumption and you understand you have to have data in systems. Let me park here again Data alone doesn't make people better the interpretation of the data is what makes people better But if people don't know how to interpret the data because they have the wrong metrics or the wrong outlook They're going to get the wrong results. So yes numbers can lie to you if you don't know how to use the formulas for yourself Okay, so After that gumption and after that place As as as innovation and leadership, what you have to understand is that listen You got to have a have the courage to be different and be okay to stand alone Especially when you know you're right now leading with some spasas and some and a little bit of touch a little bit of I'm not playing we need change But I'm except you have to be acceptable to create change now that's why students says to be in the world I got to know what makes people accept people but not other world means I don't let your behaviors dictate how I move So let me be direct with you If you want to lead innovation in a traditional industry You're going to face resisted people will call you reckless naive disrespectful of legacy They'll tell you to wait your turn to pay your dues to prove yourself by conforming first Let me tell you something Don't Because here's the truth The people defending traditions aren't defending what works their defending what's comfortable In comfort is the enemy of progress I built my career on being different on challenging assumptions on refusing to accept that this is just how it's been done Those are not sufficient answers for me And it cost me a lost opportunity I made people feel uncomfortable. I was told I was too aggressive too bow too unwilling to play the game But I also built something that works Something that truly transforms organization Something that creates better outcomes for people doing the work in a decade plus later The traditionalists who resist who resisted are either retired or irrelevant While the innovators are leading industries You have a choice you can conform play is safe preserve tradition and watch your organization slowly become obsolete Or you can lead with gumption Challenge the status quo Build something better and create an industry where people actually want to grow in excel Not despite the resistance But because of it Because resistant means you're on to something and if everyone agrees with you You're probably not innovating you're just following Because innovation happens at the edge of comfort And leadership is what you get is what gets you there So you your leadership is what gets you to the edge But innovation happens right there on the edge of comfort Leadership pushes you out of your comfort zone And innovation happens right on that edge right outside of comfort. That's where innovation starts Because here's what I need to understand tradition is not the same as principle Principles are timeless Tradition is just what we got used to And the organizations that confuse the two are the ones that are dying painfully and slowly while calling its stability You don't have to burn everything down, but you have but you do have to be willing to rebuild what's broken You don't have to be reckless, but you do have to be brave Because the industries that pride themselves on tradition they need innovators more than anyone They need people willing to say this isn't working anymore They need people willing to design something better They need people with enough gums and to lead change even when it's uncomfortable Leadership is the software Systems are the hardware and innovation is what happens when you refuse to let tradition write your code So here's the challenge this week leaders Identify one tradition in your organization that everyone accepts but nobody question And ask why and if you can't get a good answer start redesigning something beautiful I want I want to tell you something if I'm going to present the problem. I also need to present the solution And if you don't have it Call us as Sims healthcare. We have it for you For the aspiring leaders stop waiting for permission to innovate Find one process one workflow one assumption and improve it Then show people the result So if you can't get the answer Change something then prove why They need to lean on you for your decisions because they can see a piece of it For my visionaries find your coalition You're not the only one who sees what needs to change Build with people who already don't wait for people who aren't The tradition trap only holds you if you let it break free I am your host. This is bread to lead. This is episode 34 or 35 of season three And next week we're going to start building On the concept of operational blindness and we're probably going to start next week Doing your podcast. It's going to be pie class like a book club version until we can get through the book Operational blindness because I think it's very important for us to talk through that book And work some stuff out Think it'll be great and remember you've got we've got some exclusive masterclass content this season that you don't want to miss So you go ahead to bread to lead.com and join our community and get access So you can know what's going on you can be in the know Follow me on LinkedIn doctor Jake Taylor Jacobs T.A.Y. L.I.R.J. So be it's just like on the podcast Subscribe share this with someone who's tired of hearing we've always done this way And let's start building organizations that evolve and I just want to leave you with this listen Leadership is hard innovations even harder getting people to buy in is the most difficult thing in the world However Go to the places that want you not the places you want to get in There are organizations out here that are waiting for someone like you to show up The question is are you willing to be uncomfortable To be able to put yourself in a position To be great Improved that your concept works. So if it doesn't work where you are there's somebody else Where it will work love you. There's nothing you can do about it talk to you all next week Since the age of 12 I've been by my father's business at the age of 30. He sent me to his vineyard