Bridget Everett

This is an iHeart podcast. Guaranteed human. This episode is also available as video on YouTube. You can visit Nora Jones channel and be sure to subscribe while you're there. Hey, I'm Nora Jones and today I'm playing along with Bridget Everett. I'm just playing along with you. I'm just playing along with you. Hi, I'm Nora Jones. Welcome to the show and with me as always is my friend, Sarah Oda. Yes. Hi. Hi. This episode today was so fun. We have the incredible comedian, actor, singer, writer, Bridget Everett. Yay. I want to say upfront that she has a tour coming up 2026. The dates start in March for her tour called Big Titties, Big Dreams. So. Absolutely titled. I mean, how could you miss that? It's so fun. Her show is amazing. It's amazing. And after you hear this episode, you're going to want to get your ticket. So look it up and make sure there's a show near you. Find a ticket and check it out. I almost thought you were going to say find a titty. Find a titty. No, find a ticket. She started with karaoke, but now she's known for creating and starring in somebody somewhere, as well as her work on stage, film, TV, comedy, music, blending everything, storytelling. She's a fearless performer who does an incredible job of balancing humor and heart, and she's also making cabaret cool. Well, her show, Somebody Somewhere, that was my first introduction to her. And the thing that struck me from the show and also in her act on stage and also in person in this episode is that balance of humor and heart. She's just got such a big heart. You can just tell. Yeah. There's just something so sweet and awesome about her heart. I don't know why. Some people's heart just shows through. She's vulnerable. Yeah, she is. But she's so funny. She's so funny. She's so funny. It makes for a great combo. I know. Yeah. I mean, she's amazing. Yeah. In this episode, you're going to hear a little bit about her songwriting process, about living in New York. You're going to hear about her family, especially her strong mom. And as always, there's lots of songs. This one has ones that are both empowering and totally hilarious. This was really fun. I was so glad she could do this and we got to hang out. I hope you enjoy the episode. Check it out. Here it is, Bridget Everett. Well, I'm so happy to have you here. I'm happy to be here. Thank you for having me. I'm a really big fan. Oh, wow. Thank you. Same. I mean, I discovered you through the show. Somebody Somewhere. Oh, you did. And then my girlfriend, Sasha Dobson, loves your live show and she turned me on to it. So I had no idea of all the sides of you. So it's, you know, just it's all one. I know. But I mean, but it's just sort of like when you think about it, like when I look at it on paper, I'm like, there is kind of I like to do different things, I guess. Yeah. Keep it fresh. That's the best way to be. Yeah. Yeah. It's great. Trying to learn about myself, honestly, like just trying to understand myself. Well, I think that's I've always learned a lot about myself through writing songs or whatever you choose to do. And you don't know why you're choosing to do it, but it becomes clear later, right? Well, I think so. I think like for somebody like me who's never hasn't spent time with a mental health care professional, I think the best way for me to do it is like writing or performing or, you know, blah, blah, blah. That's why we do it. That's why we do it. Yeah. It's the best. Yeah. Yeah. The show is so great. And it's it's done. You guys, you guys put a bow on it. Yeah. A bow was put on it and it's over. But, you know, I was just, you know, the Emmys just happened and Jeff as my co-star plays Joel won the Emmy, which is exciting. And so now more people are finding it, which is really exciting. And and then there's always a conversation of like, could we do like a movie or something? So to me, it's one way of kind of keeping it alive by thinking of the opportunity that there's another way or somehow that we can just have one last chapter. I think that would be great. I mean, I think the fans would love that. I would love that. Please do that. But I also feel like in today's. Norah Jones said so. I said, do it. I feel like in today's landscape of TV, you never know. You can kind of, if somebody wants you to do it and you want to do it, can't you just do it? Do you know what I mean? Like things go away for years now and then they come back in a way. I think that's one cool thing with HBO, not one cool thing with HBO, but, you know, they like the comeback is filming another season. Really? Yeah. I love that show. Oh, I love that show too. It's so great. And, um, but I, I, and, you know, they, they've, they're a net only like curbie enthusiasm, like I think there's somebody that once you're in the HBO family that there is, it's a possibility. Yeah. You know, so I'm, I'm trying to secret it or whatever that manifest. Yeah. I'm secreting it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's cool. We'll see. Well, I'm really happy for you. Thank you. Yeah. Um, and I'm, I'm happy. I discovered you that way, but you're like this New York legend. I had no idea. You know, when I started watching this show, I didn't know much about you. So it's been really exciting to, to find out all these things. Well, I mean, legend's a big word, but I mean, I, I've been kicking around. I've been, I mean, I know what you mean, but I've been, I've been kicking around, uh, New York for a long time and in the cabaret world, which is like kind of, um, you know, it's not the cool buzzword. Everybody thinks it is, but I, I don't know. I love it. It's, it's, I'm so happy that I came to New York because I found like all these people that were doing something that, that was what I was looking for. But I didn't know what cabaret was. I didn't know, you know, I can imagine with you, like the style of, I mean, I don't know actually, but like, did you start playing like jazz? Like, is that was your sort of, I started with jazz, but then when I moved to New York, I got into songwriting. Yeah. And I had never thought about that before. So New York sort of was like also a conduit for you too. Yeah. This is the other word. Yeah. I think so. Yeah. I mean, I got into the songwriting scene when I moved here, when I, I had intended to get into the jazz scene and then I sort of shied away from it as soon as I got here. My first album was on Blue Note Records, but it was kind of a songwriter album. But not all my songs. I was doing songs by my friends. But there is like a real crossover between jazz, you know, the jazz world I came from of singing those old standards and the cabaret world. I feel like where you, you're working in a lot of those same songs. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. And there's like, and the guys that I work with, you know, Matt Ray, who is a piano keyboard in my band, we've written a lot of songs together. We've written home, which is from my show. And then we've also wrote what I got to do to get that. Exactly. But what I love is like, there is like, I, I can sit down at the piano and I, I just play like very sort of elementary chords and like, I have an idea. But like the voice scene, like he, you know, he is able to sort of, you know, the, the voicing of a jazz musician, the way it, you know, it just is something that I like, don't understand, but I can kind of hear. And you want to hear that. Yeah, I want to hear that. I want to hear like really cool chords and, you know, beautiful, you know, I think he understands sonically like what I'm trying to say, but I can't put into what I can't. Obviously, I'm not really good with my words, but. Well, it is so nice to find somebody who you can feel that sort of secret language. Yeah. Yeah. That's really nice that you have that. Yeah. All the guys are like super down and dancing, bowl replays, bass, my baby. I know dancing. Yeah. He's great. So like the jazz scene back in the day. Yeah. Okay. So, you know, he's great. Now actually I was working on a song idea and I texted him and he sent me some songs that were just so crazy because he's, you know, some, uh, this guy's Champagne Jerry, aka Neil Medlin is a friend of mine, but he also dances in my shows and he started talking about how he loves when dancing slaps. Oh, it sounds awesome. And so now dancing is just like fully unhinged and I love it. Like to me, I can't picture that because back in the day, I feel like, oh yeah, you know, wearing suits. Yeah. Yeah. But now like he just, he goes out of his mind and it makes me laugh. And so I want to do a song that is like, um, that features that. Yeah. That's great. But, you know, that has, but they're also great musicians. So it's cool because I'm, you know, the song I want to do is called soak and wet. It's like the marriage of that lyric and the musicians being like having all that language and like putting it together. It's sort of like, you know, when you, you know, you prop up like, like, I feel like the class clown or something. And then I'm like hanging with like the academics and they're like making me look smart or something. I don't know. But it's great. Yeah. It's awesome. I'm glad you're in that family. Yeah, me too. Well, you, you mentioned home. That's from your show. Yeah. You wrote that song with Matt. Yeah. I started song writing songs on by accident. Um, the original lineup of my band, um, uh, Adam Horowitz, AKA, uh, Adrague, yeah, he was in the, uh, the original lineup of the band. And he's, he's been on a sabbatical for, for a number of years now. But, um, you know, I, they have a oscilloscope there. The BC boys studio that they had at the time. I'm not sure if I think it's still going, but, um, in Tribeca. Yeah. So, um, I started Andre, helped produce it. Who's down there. But, um, anyway, I, I talked to Adam and I said, you know, I want to do an album. Like I want to do like some covers because that's what we were doing at the time. And he said, he's like, you can't, he can't do that. You can, you can write songs and like sort of put me on the path of doing it. And like the first, one of the very first songs that came up with was Tiddies, which we were talking about when I walked in. But the great thing about it was that he, you know, I was like, this is, this is silly, right? And he's like, he's like, no, it sounds like a hit, you know, like, and he kind of gave me, um, encouraged me, even if something seemed ridiculous to like that that could be something great, like permission, like permission. And like, and I'm somebody who needs like people to kind of be like, that's okay. You know, like I'm not like, um, you know, with the vision board and like goals and this, that and the other, I just kind of do what makes me laugh or what feels good, but I don't always understand like how to, you know, do it in practice, like how to make it part of a career or something. And like people like him have just taught me along the way to just do you. That's exactly what he said. He means like, do you. And like ever since he said that to me, I'm like, I've been doing me and that's obviously a lot of different things, you know, but, um, but, um, yeah, he really helped me take a stab at songwriting. That's pretty great. Yeah. I feel like, um, people coming from certain worlds, especially like if you were coming from the cabaret world at that time. Yeah. Like same here. I was coming from singing jazz standards. I didn't really know that I could write songs. I had no idea. Really? Yeah. Like I feel like sometimes you just need to be a little nudge in a direction. So did you start doing it or was it somebody that was like encouraging you? Or? Yeah. I had some, I had friends who wanted me to sing their songs to be completely honest. And it worked out for me. Like my big hit, don't know why it's my good friend's song, Jesse Harris, but it made me want to also write my own kind of, they definitely were encouraging, but it was a lot of like, sing my song. You know, I was like, well, I might have a song at me, you know. And so you really hadn't written anything before you came here? I mean, like where you ever like sort of in the, you know, back in like, you know, just a little for yourself and like not sharing it or just like doing it or. I wrote two songs in high school that, um, I went to performing arts high school. So it was very encouraging. And I wrote two songs, but we recorded them like with the guys in my class and they had new recording equipment and they would like send them out for the downbeat jazz magazine, you know, student awards. And I think for me, it was too much. And I was immediately embarrassed by them. Why? And so I turtle headed back in. What were like, what style were they? Were they like? They were just corny. I mean, they were first songs, you know what I mean? They're high school songs. Really? Yeah. Oh my God. You're supposed to be singing for me. Actually, I feel like one of them I need to remember. It was kind of not bad. So sad. I can't remember the rest. I can't remember. My thoughts are clouded with memories of your pain. Whoops. Anyway, I can't believe you got me to do that. Oh my God. That's dang. Wow. This is sad to think that your love was in vain. I can't remember the rest. But you got to you got to dig that one back out. I got to dig it back out. That is really cool. Thank you, Bridget. Now see now you're nudging me. So so I feel like I got really shy. And then I think it was just too much people hearing them instead of me just sitting with them before anybody heard them. Well, also, you know, we were sending it out to like to like for people to like judge it. Yeah, but I wasn't the school was, which was really sweet. But also like it was just like, oh, no, I'm not quite ready for that. Sort of have to. You have to incubate those things. Exactly. But like that's, you know, the there was something I was working on this morning because I'm meeting with my band tomorrow and I'm also working on somebody, something with Scott Whitman and Mark Sheim. And we're writing songs together, too. And I'm like, is this like a song for my band? Is this a song for this show? And like, and I like, I had, I'd put it away for a while and I pulled it back out and it's like, this, no, this is, this is so corny. Like, like sometimes I'll sit down, I'll sit down at the keyboard and and it takes me a while to sort of come up with the. Whatever the two or three chords I want to hear it. I'm being generous three, maybe two. Like it takes me a while to like to get like the voicing of what I think what I'm trying to say. Yeah. And I listened to it. I was like, oh, this is like I, when I was writing it and I'm like sitting down at the keyboard and like feeling all emo. And like this is. You were feeling it. I was feeling it. Like, and that's how I usually like, oh, this is something like, because if I can respond to it, it may not be something that's going to like not be a hip, it's something that's going to do much for me, but I, but it's going to be right for me. Yeah. Um, but I listened to it as I was singing. I was like, I couldn't even, I did it like a voice memo because I was going to send it around. I was like, I can't even, nobody's ever going to hear this again. Like. You couldn't stop extending it to somebody. I couldn't stop extending it because the, the idea of it was something that my mom had said to me. And so it's like, you know, I want it, I want it to be so good. And it just is like it, the song, I can feel it wanting to be good. Instead of just like. You don't feel it yet. Yeah. I'm, I'm really, I'm not about that. Well, it sounds like it's from something special. There's something that she said to me that was like so special. And, um, and I really, maybe I should just take the pressure off of myself of like, trying to make it mean so much, you know, like trying to make all the, you know, cause I'm not like, um, a poet. Nor am I. I mean, it doesn't matter though. If it's, I've realized like, if it's, I, for a long time in the beginning, when I was really starting to try to write songs, I would try to get clever. Yeah. That never worked. Yeah. Those are the songs I cringe at now, but the songs that I just, I used to cliche because it felt right, but I wasn't trying to be clever about it. Those are the songs that still resonate with me. You know what? Those are the exact right words I need to hear right now. So I'll take it back to the drawing board. I have to tell you something. I want to get to playing this song home, but I, I do have to tell you something. I listened to that podcast, Mike Berbiglia working it out and you were on there. Oh yeah. God, what I said. You mentioned that song. I did. And you said what your mom had said to you and it was very touching. Yeah. And inspired me and I actually wrote some stuff down. I'll send you later. I don't want to, we can cut this out. It's no big deal. No, don't cut it. I think that's, I actually, it like inspired me. So I have like three lines inspired by it that I'll, I'll show you. Oh wow. That is, I mean, I mean, I can say what it was because I've already said on another, another podcast, but, you know, when she, she came to see me perform in New York and like I was really nervous in case anybody hears on a Mike Berbiglia podcast. Listen, it's pretty great. I love this show. No, I really enjoy doing it. And in fact, I wore this shirt and I was like, oh, I wore this same one on his podcast, but I weren't in gray. I have two of them. Is it? What's your podcast shirt? Yeah. It's my podcast shirt. Um, I had something else on. I was like, oh, that's too fancy. I got to just, I got to be me. Do you, as Adam said, but, um, anyway, she came to see me at Joe's Pub, which is sort of my hub here in the city. I'm, you know, um, and, you know, if anybody's familiar with me or not familiar with me, a lot of my songs that, you know, are about body parts and it gets kind of like raunchy. But to me, it's, it really is ultimately a celebration of my mom and who she kind of encouraged me to be like, when I was growing up, we would go to food for less a grocery store and she would never wear a bra. And you know, my brother coined her boobs, beaver tails and like, she let them, you know, just like fly. And like, she just didn't care. But that was after many years of caring and, and, you know, and sort of doing a bridge club and country club and, you know, and Kansas wasn't like, we were wealthy, but, you know, just she was playing a part. And then like, once she got divorced, she was like kind of finally herself. And it was so, and I was like, I'm so, I'm so, I'm so proud of myself. And her favorite cuss word, you know, was mother fucker, shit, or asser, which I didn't cut, but like she was, she really like just became her. And like, I think, I think that was what I have been trying to capture, like on stage, like when you become, when you find that sort of freedom. So when she came to see my show afterwards, I, I was like, well, what did you think, mom? And she said, she said, that was freedom in motion. And I was like, well, that's the nicest thing you've ever said to me. And it still makes me emotional because it's, it's what I want wanted for her to feel like when she got divorced and like watching her. And it's, and it's how I want to feel when I'm on stage. So trying to write the song has been, as I mentioned before, pretty challenging. It's like living up to the thing that she said. Yeah. It's like hard to live up to that or something. Yeah. And I'm afraid to try to write it with somebody else if I don't come up with the initial thing because it's, it's about you and her. Yeah. And I don't want that to. So when I was like, is this a tender moment song? Is it a Scott and Mark song? Or is it just a me thing? And I need to figure it out. Or maybe it's a Nora Jones song. Definitely. No, no, I don't want to impose my thoughts on you. No, believe me. I just, I want to hear it because maybe that's why I'm here today. Is maybe that's why I just wanted you to know that it when you said that, it was so inspiring because it, that phrase, also just the story behind it, it's really beautiful. And but that phrase alone is just it's what you want. And what's really interesting about my mom is like, she's not like somebody that. You know, my dad was really clever, very witty and like, and, and just, you know, like a real wordsmith. And my mom is like more like she could give a look and make you laugh. And, you know, just she, she was kind of naughty and stuff. But like, as far as like saying something like that was just that's like lightning in a bottle, wasn't like something that she was known to do. Got you. Yeah. But it was profound. It was profound. She's not somebody that would come up with those things would just come out. She came up with something profound. It would be like, you know, you can't trust anybody yourself. Your father's a prick. You know, like, you know, like it was out of character for her. Yeah, it was out of character. And well, it's really sweet. I'm going to fresh gloss my lips. Keep it in though, because it's real life, you know, you know, people on TV. Fresh gloss. I like to do a fresh gloss. And you just come down to this piano and just write miracles every day. Literally never. I never come down here unless we're doing something. Really? Yeah. I have a, I have a small upright piano up there. Sometimes if I have an idea, I'll hit it, but I never come down here. This is like, there's so many cool toys, I like to say. I don't know how to use any of the equipment. So that makes it kind of hard for me. I just know how to use the instruments. Do you want to try home? Let's try it. I have a little harmony. Would you mind if I added it? No, please do it. Sounds so much better when you play it. How many times did I hear them say she's out of reach drifted away? Another night staring at the wall. And if I try, I know I'll fall. All these hills closing in on me. There's nothing here I haven't seen. Left me to my feet again. I've lost touch. I need a friend. You brought me home. You brought me home. You brought me home. My heart is beating through my chest. Why would anyone come clean this mess? Hmm. The song in me fell out of you. I found it now because of you. Hmm. You brought me home. Yes, you brought me home. And I am home. I am home. I am home. Well, you guys, that was real fun for me. So thank you so much, Nora. That was really cool. Thank you. Thank you. That's such a pretty song. Thank you. Oh my God. That was, but that, that this was one like where I wrote a song. I thought it was like the one and I thought it was cool or whatever. And I was like, it's not right. And then just one day I had the keyboard on my little kitchen table there and I started playing those same chords. And it really, most of it just kind of dropped out of the sky and felt like, and I felt very emotional. And like, there's still a lot of times when I sing it that I get choked up because, you know, I feel like the show, you know, obviously there's a lot of people that haven't seen something somewhere, but the show is about friendship, obviously. Like I was a waitress for so many years and like who didn't see me as a waitress who saw me as like a star or as somebody is, you know, and I don't mean like a, like a People Magazine, you know, but I mean, they saw something special in me. And I think that it wasn't until I moved to New York that I could kind of hear that and take that in. And this song is really a thank you to those people that gave me that. It's so beautiful. It feels like that. Yeah. And the show really does that as well. It's like a sense of home is not really the place, even though in the show, you're going home and you are home again. But it is finding it through people and relationships. I guess that's what it's all about. It totally is. I mean, I keep learning that, you know, it's a constant struggle. I mean, I feel like that's a lesson that I'm always going to struggle with. I'm always going to struggle with like feeling like I belong somewhere. I think a lot of people feel that way as it turns out. Absolutely. It's universal. Yeah. Yeah. I was just somewhere in that. And the person I was talking to, she was like, I have a lot of imposter syndrome. And it's so it's so interesting how many people feel that way. But it's also interesting how many people feel like they deserve everything they get. Which to me, it blows my mind. I'm like, you do? I mean, sometimes I'm like, OK, you're right. But other times I'm like, girl, girl, you're a lucky girl. Recognize. You don't necessarily deserve it all. That's funny. Yeah. I hadn't thought about that side of it. I don't know. Well, it's a great song. I think the best ones fall out of this guy. Yeah. Yeah. When you were growing up, your mom was a music teacher. Wow. What did she teach specifically? She taught, well, like when my parents got divorced, she hadn't been a teacher for so long because she was like a, you know, she taught earlier in her career. And then so she taught at the local Catholic school, but she did K through 12. And she did all kinds of, you know, she did both band and, you know, every music class. So and then because she didn't really make enough money, she taught after school lessons. She taught, you know, guitar, piano, violin, everything. She played everything. Oh, cool. I mean, not like a not virtuoso enough to teach little kids. She was, yeah, she was like, she, I think she was first chair, violin at a university Kansas and their orchestra. I have her violin. Actually, I just was looking at the other day. I was like, what am I going to do with this? That's cool. Maybe you could play it. Yeah, but we, but it was not. Maybe you could play it. No, I was like, maybe hanging on a wall or put it in a corner or something. But yeah, everybody in my, like we used to sing around the piano a lot during holidays and like, my brother, my brother Brock got all that he's the, the talented one. Like he can play everything by ear and I mean, I have talent to, I'm going to say that, but you know, he's, I've, that's what I wish I could do. It was my, my mom's dad, my grandfather used to play ragtime piano, like all by ear and everything. Wow. But I just didn't, obviously if you can hear the chords and how I didn't get that ability, but there, I think the great thing about my mom and a rare thing about, you know, she was somebody who constantly, you know, encouraged music and, and, and wanted me to, to, to follow my dream to be a singer, even though it took forever. Yeah, that's so rare. Yeah, it's rare. To want you to be a musician. Yeah. So what if you like see like, was it Sister Act two is one of my favorite movies? Like, you know, the mother just can't get behind Lauren Hill. I'm just like weeping because I'm like, man, you don't, you don't know how much she needs. Yeah, exactly. It's crazy. Yeah. Were your parents encouraging? My mom was not a stage mom, but she was encouraging. Okay. In that she took me to a bazillion lessons. Yeah. You know, and cause you see, Very confident, you know, Really? You seem, you seem self assured, which is a nice thing to do. Well, I'm driving this boat. So if I was, if I was unsure, you'd be nervous. Yeah, that's true. That wouldn't be good. I've always struggled with like self consciousness, but yeah. Self consciousness, but not self confidence or, or both or not, not really self confidence. I don't think I do struggle with self confidence, but I don't know why. I think it's super talented. That's one thing. Well, no, I, I, maybe I do. I don't know. I think my mom was very kind of a balls out strong lady still is. It really helps. Yeah. It's the whole thing. I feel like my mom was somebody who was like really, um, she seemed like she was self confident, but she had such low self worth. I think that it really seeped into my bones a little bit. So I do work on that. Really? Well, I don't know how to work on it. I know it's there. Yeah. But that's also what's kind of fun about being on stage and, and just, you know, how you can, like everybody says you're like a superhero version of yourself or a lot of people say that. And I, I do feel like that, but I also feel like it unleashes something that like it unleashes a kind of confidence. I wish I had in life, in life. Yeah. It's, it's like the, the Beyonce Sasha fierce, like she has that alter ego or something. Right. Yeah. But it's like, it's not like I'm like, I mean, I guess like I want it. It's not like I, I don't like want attention. Like it seems kind of odd because I'm up on stage and I've got like plunging neckline, whatever. What I want to do is feel, I want to feel as alive as I feel on stage. And like, I feel like when I'm doing a show, I'm wanting to, I want other people to feel that. I want to feel electric. I want to feel just like, and in my day to day life, I can feel kind of like passive and, and, and like I'm boring or something. I don't know. And I kind of am a real life, but I, but I, it's so weird because I feel like on, on stages, yeah, it's not like wanting to, you know, get likes or followers. I feel like that's a whole different thing. Like being on stage is just like the, it's being a vital exchange between me and the people that are there. And I feel like that there is a connection. Yeah. And I feel like they're just as important to what's happening as, as me. Yeah. Yeah. I think they are, especially with how you do what you do. Yeah, it is pretty interactive. It's pretty interactive. But it's, but it's also like, I think it's like, I mean, I don't know how you feel, but I feel like it's conversation. You know, I feel like I'm in conversation with the people that are in the audience, even though I don't want them to talk, but I mean, like, There's a limit. Yeah. Yeah, there's a limit. But I, I think that they're giving me something, you know, like, and I'm, I mean, I'm, I'm starting the conversation, but they're, they're giving me like the right to kind of, or the ability to feel seen and to feel understood. And it's like, it's for, for that reason, I would never stop doing it. Even though I've like, as, as I've gotten a little bit older, I've gotten a little more like nervous, you know, not like real stage fright. I'm just like, why do I do this to myself? And it takes so much energy and. That's so normal. Yeah. Well, that's good to hear. Yeah. We all feel like that sometimes. And I'm not putting out as much energy as you are on stage. And I still feel like that's. It's a different kind of energy. It's different. Yeah. I mean, well, I don't usually feel like that on stage actually, unless it's a really bad show, I guess. And I do feel like that, but, but more just the, the stuff that surrounds doing it, you know, all the work you put into it, the travel, all that stuff. Yeah, that can be tough. Yeah. What do you, oh wait, I lost my, I already lost what I was going to, you said something like two seconds ago, I was like, I want to ask you a question. And I've already forgotten. So let's just pretend that never happened. And people need to know that. That's real life. Well, I have, I have a, I have one thing to add to that is I feel alive when I'm making music and I go into the zone and that sort of flow state, whatever they call it, you know, that's the best feeling. And I love it when the audience is loud and interacts with me the more the better, you know, singing along and stuff like that. I mean, I so rarely get it. I took my kid to go see Billie Eilish and I couldn't hear a word she was singing because the audience was singing so loud and it was really beautiful, but also I wanted to hear her a little more, but I don't have that. Like my audience is really, really respectful. Respectful. Like they're great. They're amazing, but they're very quiet. They're listening. They're a real listening audience and it's beautiful, but it's also like, I like it when they get a little drunk and like yell at me a little. It doesn't make me feel a little more interactive. So do you encourage that? Do you like to come out people? I get shy on stage talking and in life, I'm not that shy. I'm pretty, you know, we joke around and whatever, but yeah, I don't know why. I don't know why. I'm not sure, but I kind of like to let the music do it for me. I mean, I talk, I introduce my band, I say, what's up? If I'm feeling it, I'll talk a little more. If I'm not feeling it, I don't force it because I feel like it feels like a script. Yeah, I do. I agree. Like I think that when you see people, it's interesting watching like singer songwriters. Like sometimes you can tell when people are like, you know, I thought about this one. Let me, let me, let me put this out. Yeah, exactly. Like a crafted pattern. A crafted pattern. You know, in Calvary, that's the idea that you have a crafted pattern, but it's part of a thing. But like sometimes with a singer songwriter, you know, if something, you always want it to feel natural. Like I only ever want to see the real version of somebody. I never want to see what they think that people want to see them do or I don't know. Yeah, I know what you mean. I think people can see through that. Totally. And it's the same with social media. If you craft something really, you know, people don't like it as much as if you're just like balls out, whatever you are. I gotta get off that thing. It is like, I mean, everything is so curated and so I think it's too curated. It's too curated and it makes me, it makes me sad. I mean, you know, good for you. Make your money. You know, this is, you know, people are making bank and that's great for them. But I, but I'm, I don't know, like I miss like seeing people like who people are and not what the perception they want to put out. I don't know. Yeah. That's why I don't leave my house. I think that might be why I don't leave my house. I think that's it. I'm having a breakthrough today. I'm glad you're here. Speaking of people being who they want to be, you know, writing the songs they want to write. Yeah. I'm not saying it. You got this song, titties. So this was one of the first songs you were writing with Adam, like back in the day. Yeah. Well, I, so I used to go to Williamsburg for catch club, which was with Murray Hill and champagne Jerry to my really good friends. And we would, you know, at the time we were in our 40s now it's we're older, but we would just, you know, play catch, do drills and, and whatever. And I was shagging fly balls and I just started thinking about. Wait, start over. What, what are you talking about? For a second I thought you were talking about a club. No, I was in Williamsburg at the, whatever the park is there. What's the catch club? Catch club is like what, so Murray and Neil used to play catch and I was like, I want to play catch. I'm picturing like a bar. No, no, no, no, like we didn't even drink. This is like, you know, like Murray's like, kid, you got to get some vitamin D. Got you, got you. Okay. So you're playing ball. I think it was born out of team pressure, which is a softball team that Adam used to run. Okay, cool. In Kathleen and Hannah and, and so anyway, this is our little offshoot just doing drills, playing catch. It's people in their 40s do and I was shagging fly balls because Murray is a real task master with the, with the. Yeah, that's where I got lost shagging fly balls. Sorry. Like, wait a second. It's not information. It's like, but that could be a good song. Shagging fly balls. I'm not very, you should write that song. You definitely did. But I'm not very sporty. Anyway, so I was just like, you got them. Anyway, and so I told Adam, I was like, I just have this idea for a song. Is it, is it stupid? And he's like, no, no, it's a hit. It's a hit. And like, and, and so I, so I just started writing all different kinds of tits and it really, this is like a song for my mom because of her beaver tails and like how free she was with them. And it was, I was always inspired by that. That's great. And it's also kind of like a, a mantra. It's like a, I don't know. It's like a, I usually do this like it's a second song in my set typically because I feel like it's a great equalizer. You know, just go around the room and tell people what kind of tits they have. And, and like it sets the tone and, and like, I know that like I'm supposed to move on and do new material, but it's hard to leave this one behind. It's a real icebreaker. It's an icebreaker. Yeah. And one time I was doing it and I was going around the room and I was like really deep in the room and I'm like naming all these kinds of tits and then I turned around and I was like, you got, and I was like, oh my God, it was Gloria Steinem. And I was like, cut the track, cut the track. That's why I was referring to my band as the track. I hit the track, cut the track. That's funny. And that was another moment where I was like, oh my God, this is like, you know, she's Gloria Steinem. Like what's she gonna think I'm singing about tits and like, you know, I'm always worried that I'm, you know, but she was, she loved it. She probably was there because she loved it. Yeah. You know, it's just a constant. But anyway, I do love the song as stupid as it is, but sometimes stupid is good. No, it's not stupid. It's like a, it's like a body power mantra. Like it's a, it's an anthem. It's meant to make people feel good. Yeah. It's great. I'm just going to follow you. Okay. Right. The chorus don't change too much. No. No, see, this is what I'm trying to do is teach you as somebody who has an incredible musical vocabulary that, you know, sometimes just one or two chords will do it. I totally am here for that. It's so bad. I'm here for that. Somebody said to me one time, like they were doing like some, a night of like all my songs and then she was like, yeah, you don't really get to in the weeds with the chord changes. Hey, it makes it more. I want to. It makes me able to get out of my head and just play the song. Right. Come on. It's nice. It's nice. My dear, actually it was like, I got to get myself a song book that's just like, like just all the chords, you know, like just like, so like, cause like the, the, the, just there in black and white, like you might see, you know, like, this is C major, this is D, you know, this is G seven, this is something sus. Like I never was somebody like, oh, I'll do something sus. I'm like, what do you, what's that mean? Sus. What does sus mean? I'll say it today. Have a whole other meaning for it. Oh, that means like, but you know how music terms, you know how, how I always think of sus and it helped me not overthink it. As I just do a triad. If it's D sus and just do C triad over it. Oh, I like, I like a sus. I was like, I love a sus. If it's G sus, you just do F triad. So you're just doing a regular G, G major chord and then wait, no, what are you doing? Wait, well, what chord do you want to hear? I want to hear it like, is like D major sus, the thing. D major sus, you play a D in the bass and you play a C triad in the right hand. So a whole step down, do a major triad. It's just, so it's this plus a step down. Yeah. It's just like a trick to, you know, think of it. Cause I had, And it's a D because the D's in the left hand. Yeah. That's the anchor. That's the chord. And then once you get used to that, you can move your middle finger down. So it's instead of, But that's how I always think of a sus to this day is I go a whole step down in the right hand. I mean, it couldn't have been any simpler. I know. Why don't I ask questions when they're like, oh, just do something, something sus. I'm like, sus. That sounds, that sounds complicated. Yeah. Sounds expensive. Exactly. I had this great piano teacher in junior high and high school who, who kind of opened up my mind to music because I was studying classical music until then. And it didn't really compute with my brain and I liked it, but I, I liked music, but I didn't, I wasn't into like reading the right and left hand and I could do it, but it wasn't that easy for me. And so she taught me how to read a chord chart. And so she, she did circle of fourths. You know what that is? In theory. Yeah. In theory, you know, it goes, there's a pattern to music. It's kind of mathematical. And so she did it in the pattern where the notes kind of go up in the amount of sharps and flats. Anyway, I'm getting in the weeds here now. But anyway, she had a sheet with just circle of fourths, all the, the note names. And she said, just do a minor chord on each one with metronome and you just go through it. And then she had a random sheet. So then you do that one next. And that's how I ended up learning how to read chord charts and memorizing all the right voicings. Then you, you know, you eventually do it with fancy voicings or like different inversions. And you just keep memorizing it. I want to take the beginner class. Yeah. Exactly. Because when I took piano lessons, when I was a kid, like I took it from this woman, Barbara Shear, and I would go like Fridays before school or something ridiculous. And she had compression socks that she would wear. So she would just like put on her compression socks for like the first five, 10 minutes and talk to me about her aches and pains. She would put them on in front of you. Oh yeah. It's like, and they were like, you know, this is like the 80s, like early 80s. So they were like real thick, you know, and like, and she just sort of talked about her, her circulation, a lot of, you know, stuff that she had going on. And we didn't, we didn't really, we didn't spend too much time, spend too much time actually playing piano. Really? You were just her buddy. I was just her buddy. But my brother Brock, you know, because he was good, I think they really, they really put the something to the something, what do you call it? That you put the thumbs or something. The fuel to the fire, the fire, the poker, the fire poker and the poles. Yeah, they did that. But for me, I think I was more of a confidant. Aww. Well, never to, never to. Never too late. I'm going to look, I'm going to look for. Sus. Sus and some instruction manuals. I have a piano now. I actually got the piano from somebody somewhere shipped out to my. Oh, really? Yeah. And so I, so I've been sitting down at the piano more. Oh, that's nice. It's been really fun. That's great. Okay. But let's, let's do some titties. Let's do some titties. Hit the track. You want to start? Yeah. We can always start over if I mess up. Huh? We can start over if I mess up, right? Heck yeah. Just stop me. Okay. We're back. Yeah. You got them little nippy titties. Pulled them in the air. She got them two psoed titties. She pulled them in the air. I got these beaver tailed titties. I put them in the air. Put them up, put them up, put them up. You got them low riding titties. Put them in the air. She got them fly up jack titties. Put them in the air. You got them single malt titties. Put them in the air. Put them up, put them up, put them up. You got them rubber ducky titties. Put them in the air.哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎 Tiny triangle titties, put them in the air. Put them up, put them up, put them up. You got them stretched armstrong titties, put them in the air. You got them red and fair titties, put them in the air. You got them know how to fold them titties, put them in the air. Put them up, put them up, put them up. And then we bounce, bounce, bounce. We bounce, bounce, bounce. We bounce, bounce, bounce. We bounce, bounce, bounce. You got them routine, hooverstain, peach, canned titties, tic-tac, cracker, jackhammer, head titties, fire holes, needle nose, New York City titties. Put them up, put them up, put them up. We put them up, put them up, put them up, put them up. We put them up, put them up, put them up, put them up. And then we bounce. Wait, what were those first thing you said? Oh, that's so frickin' fun. You got those cream-line titties. Thinking about, you know, breast milk, you know, it's like, there's like that cream top, the end, it's like a whole thing. It's like kind of watery when it first comes out, and then when you get to the end of the drink, it's like the cream-line top. And then that pepperoni-nip titties. Yeah, love it. Tiny triangle titties, which I've had, you know, when you get a sunburn and you get those little triangle bikinis on. That's great. That was so fun, thank you. You know, if you ever do Carnegie Hall. Aw, man. I'm kidding. That was fun. That was awesome. I want to come, I got to come see you. I'm going to be out of town when you do the beacon, unfortunately. I'm always around. And then I'm always at Joe's. Anytime you want to come, I want to come see you. Yeah, you know, I used to live right behind Joe's. I can't believe, I feel like, I can't believe I haven't run into you, but I didn't really go into the cabaret scene at all. I never did, but I feel like I should have. Well, it's, it would have, I've played piano. It wasn't perfect for me, you know. It's actually, you know, the subset of the cabaret scene that I'm in is like, it's pretty cool. People have done really, gone on to do really great things. Like we used to host this show called Our Hip Raid and like people, it was based on your hip raid and like you would cover like a pop hit or whatever. And a lot of people did that. Jeff Hiller, who's was like, that's kind of how I thought about him for to be in the show. And then, yeah. Yeah. And then, but like, Kola Skola, who's like, Omerion Broadway, you know, like there's a lot of people that are, and Justin Vivian Bond, who, who's like, Yeah, yeah. She was kind of like, Kiki and Herb were like the first thing that I used to go see. And like, oh my God, this is, I didn't, I didn't even know this kind of performing existed. And like it really, When you first moved to New York. Yeah. I was inspired. My brain, my friends act took me. He's like, I have this show. I think you're in love. And it was like getting there every Sunday night, like first in line. So we could be the closest, you know, cause it was like, yeah. I just like losing my mind cause I, I'd never seen anything like that. I'm from Kansas and I went to Arizona state. So I didn't even know. And then, yeah, I, you know, the great thing about New York is, is sometimes as much as I try to run away from it now because it just feels like, you know, It gets, it can worry you down after a minute. I know. But those early days, it was so thrilling, like the drag queens I would see and like those people all, they raised me. That was my education. So I don't know. It's pretty special. It can be a miracle this place. Do you feel like that's still happening? You're just too tired to go out because that's how I feel. Yeah. I feel like it's probably all out there still. Definitely. I just, I want to stay home and watch TV. Yeah. And like I, I, I just like they were asking me, they were like giving me a free ticket to go to the show that was, um, I can't remember what it's called right now, but I didn't go because I just, it's, oh my God, I gotta take a shower. I gotta put on makeup. I gotta put on makeup. I'm too tired for that. I'm too tired. That's how I feel. But I feel like maybe that's also kind of part of the problem. Like I'm part of the problem, like that I'm not taking advantage of the things that I used to take advantage of. Like I don't go out to really restaurants. I go to dinner. I got a sushi place by my house and by myself and I treat myself. Only if it's easy though, right? Yeah, it's not if it's a big deal. You have to make a reservation. Yeah. Like, yeah. I don't go see a friend of mine if they're playing Joe's Pub because I know I can get a table that I like and I'll be comfortable. Yeah, but not, you're not an unknown club where you don't know. You don't have a backstage toilet. No, I, all of that. Like it seems so, and it's not about feeling special. It's just about feeling comfortable. Comfortable. No, I totally agree. Yeah, but I feel the same. I saw these people this, they have this song like, by a hater. They're like a, like a brother and sister is whatever they were playing the blue note. And I looked it up online. I was like, I really wanted to see them and yet I didn't go. And then there's a new, I just saw the favors. Is that what they're called? Phineas and Ash. Ash maybe, is that it? Yeah, I don't know. But they have a new album and I was like, my friend makes fun of me because all I do is listen to music from the seventies mostly and even earlier, like some eighties, but you know, like I'm really stuck. Yeah. I'm going to look up some new music. Some good shit right there. And I know I love, like I love funk soul disco. Like, you know, I love like hearing, I love rock, I love everything. So I found them online. I listened to their album. I was like, oh, I really, I think I really like this. I'm going to join them. And, and then when they're social media and they're like, oh, we're playing summer stage. You know, it's like the next night. And I was like, I live by Central Park. I could walk over there. I could go. So did you? No. I, okay. Well, I have this problem also. And I was wondering, I mean, is it partly social anxiety? Yeah. Yeah. That's, I think that's a piece of it. Well, also, you know, I like to do things by myself, but I also, it's a little bit different now because now that I'm on a TV show and a little bit more recognizable, not that's really a problem in New York people, but like, you still feel like if you go somewhere alone, you're not really just sitting there by yourself. Like I feel a little self conscious or something or just like, or just being by yourself, invite people to talk to you more like that. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like I need somebody to come buffer. A buffer. Yeah. I feel like that when I go home for to see my family, I can't go by myself. I have to, my brother always, he lives in California. He's like, you want to go to Kansas? Like I can't do it. Together. Yeah. Because even it's my family, but I just like, I can't, I can't do that. I mean, I can do stuff alone. Like, like I said, I go to my sushi restaurant. Yeah. But that's not the same. But they're not going to really bother you. And I talk to my, I talk to the gals that, you know, the servers that are the waitresses or whatever you want to call them. I say waitress. I was a waitress for 25 years. I think you can say that. I think you can say waitress. I know. Yeah. Anyway, I've gotten off track. Where were we? Yeah, you got people, you got a family. Yes. That also makes me tired and want to stay home. It also makes me want to go out a little bit. But no, I mean, it's just nice to get cozy every night. Yeah. I'm like, it's hard to, it's hard to motivate. I think is both physically. Yeah. And socially. I agree. And then alcohol for me is like, it's like, if I go out, I'm going to want to drink. And I don't want to drink. And that's a little hard. I'm like trying to not drink as much. Same Z's. I said it. Yeah. Same Z's. People are not going to see that coming from Nora Jones. Hang out with my nine year old too much. But you know, like, because, because I don't want to drink as much, then I like, like this week I'm in the city all week and I have three nighttime obligations. And they're all like things where, you know, where I'm, people are going to want to drink. And if I'm not drinking, they'll be like, what's your problem? Yeah, exactly. I mean, not like that. Not what's your problem. But I just don't feel like, you know, if I drink, then I, especially if it's an open bar, then I'm going to drink too much. I'm going to feel like shit the next day. I'm not going to be productive. And I'm really trying to write right now. And I'm trying to find my next creation. And so I really want to have a clear head, which is something I never thought I would say. I used to drink, you know, I used to drink wine every night, but I just can't, I don't want to do that anymore. Yeah. I mean, I still like to have a little whisper. Yeah. I'm still, I'll still not get back. I went out with somebody on Saturday night. I, I was upstate and my neighbor, somebody that I work with. And my friend had a little, I think, a little bit of a, a little bit of a, a little bit of a, and my friend had to like coach me. He was like, just because he, the guy texted me and he's like, I'm in town. Are you round? And, and I'm like, I'm here. Like I've, I've been working all day. I, you know, I'm trying to, I've been, you know, I've, I bought some plants. You know, my friend was like, just go. Like just. And so I picked him up. I said, do you want me to pick you up? I'm going to go to the brewery. Do you want to come with a brewery with me? We went to the brewery. But a pizza, we had two rounds of drinks and he's like, do you want another? I was like, I think that was good. And then we went home and so I did it. You did it. I did it. That's hard. So it can't, it can't be done. And you know what? It wasn't, it was, I enjoyed myself. And you didn't feel bad. I didn't feel bad. Yeah. I don't, you know, so. Well, that's the trick, isn't it? If you, if you can just do that, then it's okay. Yeah. And then like this. But that's hard for somebody. That is hard. That's hard for me also. Yeah. I mean, what a waste of, I'm just feel like I'm wasting a lot of days by not doing more stuff sometimes. Yeah. I know, but you know, you live in life. I really am into plants though, right? That's cool though. I like to have some, it's like I talk to them. I think you have to have a hobby in this business. Yeah. Otherwise you will drive yourself crazy. Yeah. I wish it was, it was like a little, you know, I have some friends that like they have, they have a songwriter's group that we do once a month and I haven't been going to that. I know. And I haven't been going to that as much. And they're like my, they're like my friend family. And I'm like, I'm just like, I'm always finding a reason to not go. I don't know. Do we need to couch? Do we need to couch? No, I'm going next one. This is boring. Let's talk about something fun. Hey, well, I don't want to take up too much of your time because you've given so much. And I just, I could sit here forever and talk to you, but I think we did pretty good. I think we did great. And so if you lived in the neighborhood, I would, I would swing by and not unexpected. I'd be like, Hey, what are you doing at 45 minutes? You want to have one glass of wine? One glass, just one. We'll hold each other accountable. And we'll make it two, but that's it. Or one and a half. Well, I mean, we got to do it again sometime. Absolutely. It'd be really fun. We like to end the show with kind of a wild card or a cover sometimes. And I love it when people suggest songs that I have never played. And in this case, you've suggested this Miley Cyrus song, The Climb that you do in your, in your show a lot. I actually didn't know this song. And I know Sarah said it was like a huge hit. Like, of course I should have known it. Well, the Hannah Montana years. That's the thing. I love Miley Cyrus and I know all her stuff from the last like five, 10 years, but the Hannah Montana years, I think I was, I don't know. I was not paying attention to what was on the radio. Yeah. So I didn't know this song. Well, this is, this is, I did it for our hip parade many years ago. And like, it's one of those songs where I like, look, this song is come on. And then like, when I, when I sing it, I find it, even though the lyrics are a little, like maybe literal or on the notes or whatever. I think it's such an inspirational song. It is. It feels so good. It's emotional. Yeah. Isn't it funny how songs from maybe when you were younger, yeah, that maybe you thought were, that's popular or that's maybe even corny. I'm not saying this song is corny, but like just in general songs from those days and now it's like, it makes you cry. Oh yeah. Yeah. You know, because you relate to it in a, in a way that you didn't understand maybe when you were young. I don't know. Well, it goes back to that thing you were saying at the beginning. It's like, you know, when I, when we started doing that show, our hip parade, which is all about pop music, like it reframed my, like, I was like, you know, I never was like a pop music kind of fan or person. I was going to ask that. And I, it just, it just wasn't like something I would, that was tracking for me. But, but that, that era of my life gave me such an appreciation for it. And like, there was something you said earlier about like, you know, lyrically, like sometimes you just say the cliches, cliches, like sometimes there's a lot of cliches in pop music, but I like it. Well, if you, in songwriting, if you try to take all the cliches out or all the things that are too like on the nose, sometimes you take out the heart of the song. Yeah. And if you mean it, it's not a cliche. Write it down. Write it down. Write it down. If you're feeling it, it's real. Yeah. Hit the track, Noelle. My faith is shaking. But I, I'm going to keep trying. Going to keep my head held high. Why? I'm going to tell you why. There's always going to be another mountain. I'm always going to want to make it move. Always going to be an uphill battle. Sometimes you're going to have to lose. Ain't about how fast I get there. Ain't about what's waiting on the other side. It's the climb. These struggles I'm facing. These chances I'm taking. Well, sometimes they knock me down. But no, I'm not breaking. And I may not know it, but these are the moments. I'm going to remember most. Yeah. Just got to keep going. But I, I've got to be strong. Just keep pushing on. There's always going to be another mountain. I'm always going to want to make it move. Always going to be an uphill battle. Sometimes you're going to have to lose. Ain't about how fast I get there. Ain't about what's waiting on the other side. It's the climb. Yeah. There's always going to be another mountain. I'm always going to want to make it move. Always going to be an uphill battle. Sometimes you're going to have to lose. Ain't about how fast I get there. Ain't about what's waiting on the other side. It's the climb. It's the climb. I don't know why I don't know that. I was just wondering what was we were having a good moment. I fucked it up. That was really pretty. What are you doing? I don't know what we're doing. I liked it. I think it's good. Just keep it in and just, you know, sometimes we fuck things up. Sometimes you fuck it up. This is casual. It's the climb. You know, how fun to get to sing with you. That was so fun. I think that was really, these are the moments. Yeah. It was special. Thank you. We did it. Thank you, America. Thank you. Woo. Aw, thanks for listening. Oh my God. That was so funny. That was so fun. I feel like for a week after that episode, I woke up in the middle of the night with Titty ideas. I was too. I was like, oh, we should have done this. We should have done this. And then I wonder if actually I heard a different version of it. And I heard a couple that I thought I made up, but, you know, they were already there. Do you think she took them from you? No, I think I subconsciously locked them into my brain. She's a great human. That one's really fun. Don't forget her tour, Big Titties, Big Dreams. Big Dreams. Check it out in a theater near you. Yeah. The songs we did today, the first song was Home, was released as a single in 2023 for her TV show, Somebody Somewhere. Second song we did titled Titties. It's from her album called Pound It, which was released in 2013. Third song, we did the Miley Cyrus song from Hannah Montana, the movie released in 2009 called The Climb. Special thanks to Bridget Everett for joining us today. And next week we'll be back with Julian Lodge. Nora Jones is playing along as a production of I Heart podcasts. I'm your host, Nora Jones. Visit Nora Jones channel and be sure to subscribe while you're there. This episode is recorded by Matt Marinelli, mixed by Jamie Landry, audio post-production and mastering by Greg Tobler. Artwork by Eliza Frye, photography by Shervin Lenez, produced by Nora Jones and Sarah Oda, executive producers Aaron Wong-Kaufman and Jordan Runtog, marketing lead Queen Anakie. Thanks for listening. This is an I Heart podcast.