Summary
In this episode of Handsome, hosts May Martin, Tig Notaro, and Fortune Fiemster discuss first impressions with guest question-asker Lizzie Kaplan. The conversation spans personal anecdotes about meeting Tom Cruise at the Governor Awards, attending a royal wedding as a child, making poor first impressions in their youth, and misreading others' intentions based on initial encounters.
Insights
- First impressions are often projections of our own insecurities rather than accurate reflections of others, as demonstrated through therapy exercises where negative reactions reveal personal biases
- Personality shifts based on environment and isolation can dramatically alter how others perceive you, as May experienced moving from Spain to LA
- Vulnerability and openness developed through life challenges (illness, loss) fundamentally change how people present themselves and connect with others
- People often misread reserved or quiet behavior as coldness or disinterest, when it may stem from shyness, nervousness, or environmental factors
- Persistent effort and genuine connection can overcome initial negative impressions, as demonstrated by May's eventual friendship with Steve
Trends
Authenticity and vulnerability in public personas becoming more valued than polished first impressionsRecognition that introversion and reserved behavior are often misinterpreted as arrogance or disinterest in social settingsGrowing awareness of how mental health, isolation, and life circumstances shape personality presentationCelebrity accessibility and approachability (Tom Cruise's warmth) becoming part of public perception and brandTherapy and self-awareness practices helping people understand projection and bias in social interactions
Topics
First Impressions and Social PerceptionPersonality Development and Environmental ImpactIntroversion vs. Extroversion in Social SettingsOvercoming Negative First ImpressionsCelebrity Encounters and Fan InteractionsTherapy and Self-Awareness in RelationshipsChildhood Experiences Shaping Adult BehaviorProjection and Bias in Social JudgmentVulnerability and Emotional OpennessFriendship Formation and Connection
Companies
Allstate
Insurance company featured in multiple ad reads throughout the episode promoting car insurance quotes
Quince
Clothing retailer sponsoring the episode, offering premium fabrics and everyday essentials
Bombas
Apparel company sponsoring the episode, known for comfortable socks, sandals, and base layers
Gold Belly
Online marketplace mentioned for purchasing specialty foods and baked goods from restaurants
Dones Bakery
Bakery mentioned as source for Tom Cruise cake available through Gold Belly
Disney
Studio discussed in context of Zootopia 2 premiere where hosts participated as voice actors
Apple TV
Streaming platform where 'Come See Me in the Good Light' documentary reached number one spot
People
Lizzie Kaplan
Guest who submitted the episode's question about first impressions and incorrect assumptions
Tom Cruise
Met by Tig at Governor Awards ceremony; discussed for his acting career and public persona
Wynne Thomas
Governor Awards honoree; first Black production designer in his field; worked on Do the Right Thing, Malcolm X
Debbie Allen
Governor Awards honoree mentioned as recipient of honorary Oscar
Dolly Parton
Governor Awards honoree who submitted video message rather than attending in person
Princess Diana
Attended royal wedding where May was present as child; shared same birthday as May
Macaulay Culkin
Encountered at Zootopia 2 premiere; people say Fortune resembles him as a child
Jessica
Producer of 'Come See Me in the Good Light' documentary; accompanied Tig to Governor Awards
Steve
Person May met in LA who initially misread her desperation for friendship as romantic interest
Maha
Tom Cruise's agent who introduced Tig to Tom at Governor Awards
Robert
May's driving instructor who has taught children of celebrities; described as 'nepo baby' instructor
Meg
Person involved in 'Come See Me in the Good Light' documentary; called Fortune by her name
Quotes
"We can't really control other people's experience all the time if they're, you know, yeah. They get to have their feelings."
May Martin•Mid-episode discussion on first impressions
"I just knew in my gut, I was like, this is supposed to be my best friend, but I don't know how to make him know that we're supposed to be best friends and my personality is not great right now."
May Martin•Story about meeting Steve in LA
"There's not a lot of things that I have that are expensive. I'm not that kind of gal. But I did happen to have an expensive pair of sunglasses."
Tig Notaro•Opening anecdote about Oliver Peoples sunglasses
"I was just like, there's Tom Cruise. I'm going over there and I'm going to meet that guy."
Tig Notaro•Governor Awards encounter story
"He was just like, hey, how's it going? You know, and because his agent introduced us, so he was just because everyone says he's just magnetic and so warm."
Tig Notaro•Describing Tom Cruise's demeanor
Full Transcript
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Chattin' the friends of Handsome Pot. Cheers! Cheers! Welcome to the Handsome Pot! Welcome to you! I mean, listen, welcome, but also, May, I just got a glimpse of that profile of yours. That is good lookin'. I mean, I've seen it before, but I'm usually looking at you straight on on Zoom. This is my better side. I can tell. I've seen the other one and not pretty. Handsome. Thank you. Well, you too. No, look that way. I just, oh, look at that. Thanks. Oh, that is a good profile, man. Well, my hair only works from that side. It doesn't, I don't know if you have this problem, because it's like, gentle. Do we have the same? Yeah. Oh, no, yours works from both sides. Anyway. You have more of a side flip and you have the forward flip. My hair is more fluid than yours. Yeah, mine's pretty rigid. It's pretty solid. It's binary. It's binary hair. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You both look gorgeous. Oh, thanks! We're a very attractive podcast. We are. Also, every time we're in person and then the episode comes out, someone comments like, oh, chemistry's electric when they're in person. And I love it. I feel it. I feel it's electric right now. We sat close to each other before we were taped and I got kisses from each of you. Well, only because you were reaching to hold my hand while... True. Your hand's cold as ice. Well, I'm hot. Cold as ice. Put it in your cooter and warm it up. Fortune. Why are we starting like this? Why? Why? Put it in your cooter. It's the end of the day for those of y'all who don't know, which is all of you. It's 5 p.m. It's raining outside. It's dark. It's 5 p.m. is the end of the day. What a luxurious life you have. Well, it gets dark outside. Oh, it's dark. I'm going to go home and get to bed. I got a lot of night. The sun's down. Yeah. Put on my nightgown just like you do. Our old neighbor's... Her neighbor was just one woman and her name was Yoko. Yeah, and she lived next door to us and she... This is terrible. She died in her house. But listen, she... Spoiler. Yeah, she was older. She was older, but anyway. Oh, Yoko. She just... She wouldn't turn any lights on. Really? Like the on-ish. Like she was going sun down at bed time. Yeah, that's fine when she died. She didn't turn the light on. She fell down something. I would only assume she was like had a little candle. Like a little candle, yeah. But so she was up at the crack of dawn and then bed... Always sweeping her walkway up to her door. Yeah. That thing was sparkly clear. Yeah. Maybe it was like meditative for her. We'll never know. We'll never know. We'll for sure never know the answer to that. Well, it's good to be with y'all in person. I feel... I took my shoes off. I feel really cozy. Yeah, you made it. Very comfortable around here. I still have my shoes on for me too. Can I... I'm sorry. I just have to check. I have to make sure that this isn't Stephanie's sick and so I have to like make sure that there isn't anything that is needed. It feels like a prank. It feels like when you're on Conan and you checked your phone. Yeah. So every time Tig puts her glasses on, I think she's going to take an eye out because it's like this flip motion and always there's one... Yeah, it's cool. And I always think we're going to take one out. Yes. Those glasses made me think of some of the that happened to me this weekend. Well, let's hear about it. I want to tell you, I have this... There's not a lot of things that I have that are expensive. I'm not that kind of gal. But I did happen to have an expensive pair of sunglasses. Like what are we talking? Oliver Peoples. I don't know. I don't know. It's the type of sunglasses. Like $500. But that is unusual for me. I don't spend that kind of money on anything. Yeah. But I happen to get these and I had them. What made you go... I'm going to go ahead and drop 500 bucks. I think I got a discount on them. So I didn't pay it. With your Cheesecake Factory. I want my Cheesecake Factory point. Credit. I think I got them at like 30% off. Okay, good for you. So that's helpful. Yeah, of course. It's hard to find a pair that's perfect. And I love these because they're lightweight. They're super lightweight because I don't like the feeling of glasses on me. But my eyes are getting squintier as I'm getting older and I need to wear sunglasses. And I had them on and they were on my head. And I don't know if for what reason I put them in my lap and I was scrolling through my phone and I wanted to show... I was showing somebody something and I bent over and my body crushed these glasses into like four parts. No, just not to me. Just like a cracker? Both lenses came out. Oh my... Bits. There's like one... I'm like they are done. Did you take a picture of what you had left on your...to put it on your face? No, I have...it was...I was just afraid with one of the things hanging out. Oh my God. These...just from my big old body just annihilated these sunglasses. You don't have sunglasses insurance. I sure don't. I sure don't. You will rethink that in the future. I will rethink that. Do you ever insure a part of your body? Oh. You know people...you know... Oh, wow. Oh God. Wait a minute. What would I insure on this body? Like you know people... Tina Turner insured her legs. Yeah, her cams. Well, that I can see because those are gorgeous cams. You're right. Now that you...you're right. I just...I guess I don't show them off like Tina did in these short skirts. Kind of do. And towels and such. Yeah, yeah. How do you do that? You just call like all state? And you're like, hey... You get an insurance quote. And they're like, let me see your leg. Well, you are in good hands. Yeah, you check them first because that's smart. You check all state first. Northbrook, Illinois. Yeah. So wait, can we just... I'm not sure if we can... Yeah, we can. Yeah, we can. Yeah, we can. Yeah, we can. Yeah, we can. Yeah, we can. Yeah, we can. Yeah, we can. Yeah, we can. Yeah, we can. Yeah, we can. Yeah, we can. Yeah, we can. Yeah, we can. Yeah, so wait, can we... Oh yeah, get to the good stuff. What's the good stuff? I need to hear about who you met that I... Whenever I'm asked the question, who would you meet? Who would you have at a dinner party? This person's my answer just because it's like another species of person almost. So can we please talk about it? I don't want to let you reveal. One say that this is... Look at your little excited foot. My foot is flexed. Like it was... Just give me the gums. Give me the gums. Just put the twinkle toes over there. I can't please. Yeah, I would once say this is your doppelganger. Yeah, one would. Yes. TC. TC. Tom Cruise. I met Tom Cruise. You met him. How did this happen? Well, this is what's so wild is to really think back. The reason I was at the Governor Awards, which I didn't even know what it was or where I was going. The Govna Award. The Govna Award. All right, Govna. I got the car with one of the producers of Come See Me in the Good Light, Jessica. We get in the car. She came for... She got me. She was in the car and the car picks me up and I get in. I was like, so where... What is this? Where are we going? Yeah. It's like they give these honorary Oscars to different people. It's Dolly Parton. Oh my God. Dolly, was she there? She wasn't. She made a video and it was Debbie Allen, Tom Cruise, and then this... Oh my God. His name is Wynne Something. He's a... What is it? When they... A magician. No. Anybody else want to guess? Yeah, was this a mime? No. A swimmer. Olympic swimmer. A xylophone player. Yes. And wizard. No, he's like a set designer. Oh yeah. Oh, I would not have done this. Oh, you didn't get that from them. No, no, no. No, no, no. I'll get to Tom in a second, but this man, Wynne Something. Thomas, can you look up this man's name who got this award? Of course, I haven't heard of him. It's not like household names that do this job. This was the single most precious human being I have seen in my life. He's like probably 60s, maybe early 70s. How old is he, Thomas? He was... His story that he shared, it was so... He was the first black man to be hired in that world and accepted into the academy in that whole world. Yes, Thomas? Wynne Thomas. Oh, Thomas. Oh, thank you. And he worked on Do the Right Thing, Malcolm X, A Beautiful Mind and Hidden Figures. Amazing. I mean, I could have listened to him talk forever. I can't encourage people enough. Just look up his face. If there is a video of him talking, just the sweetest man alive. Oh, I love that. And oh my gosh, loved it. Anyway, so afterward... Oh, you didn't know that Tom was going to be there. No, I knew he was going to be there. I just didn't understand what the governor awards... Right. Like, did you know what they were? No. Yeah. And so it is every massive actor and director and everybody that's vying for an Oscar. And it's just kind of a stop for that whole world. And who knows what will happen with my documentary, but it's in that discussion. It's amazing. And Tom Cruise gets his award. And then, well, I didn't expect this, but he was just off of the stage and out and about in the audience. Just hanging out. Just like a normal, like walking around. He was looking to do a Cupid shovel on the dance floor. Chow-chow slide. But let's be honest, hanging out meant after the awards, he appeared on the floor like everybody else at their tables and stuff. And he was surrounded by reps and security and people wanting to talk to him and that whole scene. Okay. So I'm thinking, well, this is the one and only time I'm going to be in the same room as Tom Cruise. You don't get starstruck, but you can't help but be adrenalineized when you see it. I wasn't even starstruck. I was just like, there's Tom Cruise. I'm going over there and I'm going to meet that guy. And I told Jessica, the producer of the film, I was like, you follow me and you go in every photo. Even if I can't talk to him, you get the closest photo of me just trying to get in there. Because I was like, I'm going for it. I don't care at all. And so she was dying laughing. I love to see some security guard pick you up. But that's what was crazy is it's not open to the public. So the security wasn't really intense or anything. Just people were standing around. And I know his agent. Her name is actually Maha. And I saw her standing there next to him. And I was, I mean, I was elbowing my way through the ground. And just I pulled up the picture of me, which we'll have to post on handsome. But I pulled up the picture of me that everybody is always like, I mean, that's more Tom Cruise than Tom Cruise. And so I pulled it up. And then, and so I got up to Maha and I said, I said, hey, can I just show Tom this picture and just let him know that if he's looking for a lesbian sister in any sort of stunt double. And then she was like, oh yeah. Tom, comedian Tig Notaro. And he turns and he's like, hey, how's it going? And I said, good. I said, I just wanted to show you this picture. I said, I said, that's me, by the way, that's not you. And I said, so if you ever need a lesbian sibling in any of your action films. And so he was looking at it. He was laughing so hard. Of course he was. Not as hard as Jess, my producer. She was like doubled over crying because I wish you could have seen the rounds of people I had that I had no idea. I was like, I'm going. I'm like, yes, her picture with Tom Cruise. I have so many follow up questions. And you have to understand Tom Cruise is this was partly what was pushing me. That's Stephanie's favorite actor. She loves him. She thinks he's so handsome. And we always joke that she married the DIY lesbian version. And so I was like, if I can get a picture of the two loves of her life together. And so she was home and I walked in. She was like, oh, how was the night? And I said, good. How's about that? And she was like, oh my God. Oh my God. Okay, wait. Did he know who you were? I doubt it. Okay. But he's smiling. He was just like, hey, how's it going? You know, and because his agent introduced us, so he was just because everyone says he's just magnetic and so warm. And once he'll know your name, my, you know, that's what everyone said. Fuck, I can't believe it happened. And the picture is incredible. You do have the same smile. So you think Mahaa can get him to ask a question? I had some plot. He's like jumping off of a plane asking us a question. He's like, listen to me, listen to me, handsome. That would be pretty epic if he would jump off a plane and ask us a question. I bet he, I don't get it. He's like, what's up with his cheeks flapping? There's always a moment in his movies where he's doing some stunt, but he has to deliver a line. He's yelling over like a jet engine and his voice goes really high. There's one, well, first there's red light, gray light. And then there's, I'm not going to lose you in Mission Impossible 3. I can think of them all, I think. There's always a line where he goes super high. He goes high. Well, they did, they showed like, you know, a little thing of like all of the highlights in his career and stuff. And I was truly, there's this one moment on that reel where he's holding onto a plane. Side of a plane. And it's taking off. Dead reckoning, I think. Wow, y'all are, or go for a real fan's over here. I haven't seen it, but I can keep it in your pants. Here's the thing, I'm sure he's problematic in some ways, but to me he is just one of the last movie stars like that where when he cries, I cry. I feel everything that he's feeling like Jerry Maguire, it's insane, he hasn't won an Oscar yet. I'm glad he got honored. Is that bad to say? Because he got an honorary Oscar. For what, just his contribution? Well, you're a star striker or no one, so it's... No, I get, I... Well, musicians you get. I don't feel nervous. Like, I'm not like, oh my God, there's some crews. I totally appreciate him, but I don't feel, I don't know. You just talked about him for so long that it was a cool, like, finally. Well, it just seemed like, oh, this is gonna be so funny and awesome, and like, I just, I don't know. That's so good. Yeah, it was fun. We can never get jaded, like, because that is insane to me, Tom Cruise, and get a picture with him. It's so good, so that, like, that should be insane to anyone. And what's really funny is 10 billion people have had pictures with him, but it seems so hard to come across. Oh yeah, he's a harder one to me for sure. He's hard. He's like a Paul McCartney or an Obama, like it's that level where you want the picture. They're not just hanging out at the In-N-Out. No, they are not. And they'd like you to think they are, though. Have you seen the clip where they go, Tom, what's your favorite snack? And it's like his brain short circuits, like he's never had a snack? He's like, oh, ha, ha, popcorn. Popcorn's great. Is that a small meal between the meals? Checking Allstate First could save you hundreds on car insurance. That's smart. Not checking the tour bus as an outlet for my synthesizer. This must be remedied. I really want to jam out while I'm on the road, but instead I'm stuck listening to the radio. Yeah, Checking Versus Smart. So check Allstate First for a quote that could save you hundreds. You're in good hands with Allstate. 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And then you, and like thinking about everything that you hear about his incredible work ethic and just everything. Yeah. And the director that was introducing him was talking about how, which of course I know of actors that know a script start to finish forward, backwards. But the director was like, Tom knows like. Everyone's lines. Not just everyone's line, but like he's like, hey, aren't I supposed to be picking up a, you know, like some sort of direct stage direction? And he was like, you know, he said, I don't even know my movie that well. He's definitely getting sort of, I mean, he's increasingly eccentric, but he, his new thing is kind of being like, I don't just make movies. I am movies. Like his thing is like. Oh yeah. So how is he getting increasingly? Well, I think he's always been a bit of a hot ball. And then he went through a phase of real eccentricity with Scientology where he was really like jumping on sofas and stuff. He just keeps making amazing movies. And then he, but just recently his angle is I'm Mr. Movies. And I like it, but I would love to meet the guy. I was excited because we went to Zootopia 2 premiere. That's right. Yes, we did. We had the premiere. All three of us out in the wild. Oh no. We hung our little suits. I was so proud of you, dude. You were, you steal the movie. You're so funny in it. So great. I texted Fortune saying Max and Finn hearing them say to each other, Hey, bub. Hey, bub. Hey, bub. Hey, bub. The movie's so funny. But I, Macaulay Culkin was there and that's huge for me because people say I look like a like child Macaulay Culkin. I didn't get to meet anyone at that premiere. They had me on the red carpet the whole time. Oh man. And then I was like with back to the backstage and then off into a corner. And so I didn't get to like, I saw you guys. Why'd they put baby in a corner? Yeah, because they had all the voice cast together on the stage. Everyone's chatting and stuff. And then they had the four, they had the, they put us in the corners to come out from the side. So you didn't get to meet anyone. I just talked to you guys and that was it. It besides like Kiwi Quan and Jennifer Goodwin. I said, Hey, I'm made by the way to Macaulay Culkin and he went, Hi, I'm Mac and I shook his hand and I thought I can die a little bit happier. Like just, I mean. So is it him and Alanis that are your. Him, Alanis, Paul McCartney, Robert Plant and David Gilmore. The Rose. Bette Midler. Oh, I would love to meet Bette Midler. Yeah, like the big ones. The classic thing that happened at the premiere is. Oh yeah. The tick moment here. Well, first of all, we, they were acting like on the red carpet, people are like, what's your, what was your favorite memory of making this movie? And like, I literally have five words. I have five words. And yeah, I'm like, I think my favorite memory was probably recording my line. I was alone in a sound booth. But then we were so, well, I was so excited for the big moment. Yeah. And then I could see it was coming plot wise. Right. Because I knew we were in the prison scene. Yeah. And then I see Tig get up and leave with one of the boys to go to the bathroom and I thought, Uh-oh. And then almost as soon as you left. You did see us. I saw you get up and leave and I knew. And I thought, Oh my God. Why didn't you chase me down? I think I did go Tig. Tig. So Tig missed her entire part going to the bathroom. My son had to go to the bathroom. I can't just let him roam around with all these weird cartoon characters. It's just the timing of it. It's hilarious. Of course. It's classic. And you got back and Stephanie was like, oh. Yes. I got back to the stage was like, you missed your part. And I was like, what? We were gone for like two or three minutes. Max. Yeah. The exact two or three minutes. And then I walk in and it done. Yeah. Y'all both disguise your voices a lot in the character. Yeah. I did not. Should we do our scene? What do you remember your line now? I just think I was like, ah. Yeah. You remember. Yeah. You're just like, yeah. I went, I'll see you at the lunch table. I have no idea what I was saying. I don't remember. But it was so classic when I saw that you had not been in there for your part. You know what I? My whole family got dressed up. I know. I know. Premier. My sons, they loved getting dressed up. They had their little suits on. They were so cute. I did really think watching it and with kids in the audience, like, I wanted to make something for kids because they're the perfect audience. Like they laugh when it's funny. They're scared when it's scary. They cry when it's sad. They just are so, their emotions are so present. Yeah. It was so satisfying. I know. I kept looking around to see what different kids' reactions were to the different characters. Well, no spoilers, but there's a character who you think is good and then is bad. And I was with Parva and Alma and Alma was scandalized by that. Like afterwards it was like, did you know he was bad? That guy? And it was like, no, that was pretty trick you. It was like, well, he was acting really nice. He was a twist. He was a twist. Yeah. What happens in real life? Yeah, seriously. People pull a switcheroni on him. Yeah. It's such a fun movie. Yeah. Jennifer, good one was laughing at me because, you know, when you tape these voiceover things, they don't give you a script. You know, you just have your scene. And so I knew I had, like, taped a lot for them for like, over like a last year and a half. But I didn't know, but they changed my job a lot. So I would have to re-record quite a bit. So I just didn't know, like, what my role in the movie was. And I didn't know, like, anything other than like, oh, this is a cool part. And I had to go to the screen. I had to go to a screening by myself before press. And I'm like watching the film and because there's a lot of parts of the end where my character is around, but I'm not necessarily voicing it. I'm just doing like grunts or like, and I'm like, my character is like a main part of this movie. I had no idea. That's amazing. And so I was just like, oh my God, this is wild. And you're like third billing or something. You're like, I think fourth. But like, yeah, when the title card came up and me and Key were behind Jason and Jennifer, I was like, oh my God, this is crazy. I'm like, main Martin level. Tears in my eyes. I thought it was just so cool. Like, because I grew up on Disney movies and I never thought in a million years that I would be a beaver in a Disney movie. It's the, it is a, I just watched the first one recently and I really liked the universe and that they've made. And then did you meet Jodie Benson on the red carpet, the voice of the original Ariel? And she's in that movie? No, she was in the red carpet. And I got emotional meeting her because she, her voice is, and she's like a true Disney princess where you know that they're good. True Disney princess. She's a true Disney princess because. None of those fake ones out there. Yeah, because instead of going, oh, nice to meet you, they go, I've been so excited to meet you. Like they, like you're a kid. Like they go, it's you. I can't, I've been so excited to meet. I've watched her say it to everybody and say it to kids she'd never met and executives and everyone was like basking in her glow and she was magical. So even if she didn't know who you were, she was like, I've been so excited to meet you. I saw her say it to these little kids and they were like, she was waiting for you. Ariel. So nice. Did she, did she do the voice and sing? Yeah. Oh wow. Yeah, it's a fortune. I forgot to tell you. What's up girl? I forgot to tell you when I was doing the red carpet. Yeah. Doing my little pretty pictures and doing my interviews. The guy that I was talking to, he goes. He said, and Tig, I have to say I loved, I loved you hosting Kimmel over the summer. And I was like, did you? I said, oh, that wasn't me. And he goes, yeah, yeah, yeah. He said you, you hosted a few episodes. Yeah. I was like, no, that's fortune. People always get us confused. We're always confused for each other. I was just like, wow. That's hilarious. One day we're going to find out what person who works on Zootopia just likes this podcast and like put us in it. Yeah. Do we have any knowledge? Yeah, the casting director. She was like, oh really? Because she said something like, may seem surprised that like, Mae was like, Hanson's in it and she's like, yeah, that's my design. I was like, what a crazy coincidence. Oh man. It was on purpose. Yeah. Yeah. That's so great. Oh boy. It was a fun night. It was a fun night. It was great to see Max and Finn in their little suits as well. Great to see. I didn't even get to see them. Yeah. They were, it's funny because when they were getting dressed, Finn didn't like the outfit I had pulled for him. Uh-huh. And he took it up a notch to like a full black suit with a white button down. And I was like, sorry. You know, I just had him in a casual blazer and like cords, but man, he was like, I don't want to wear that. Yeah. I want to wear. Yeah. He was going to Hollywood Boulevard. Yeah. And then Max was like, I think we should do more of this stuff as a family. Oh. You know, I'm like, putting on the rits. Yeah. Yeah. They had never been to a premiere. Oh, that's cute. Yeah. It was fun. But it was fun to see your little buck teeth, your crooked buck teeth. I'm sure. As a character to clarify. Thanks for that laugh. But I was just like, are they doing that because you're from the south? No, because I'm a beaver. A beaver. No, but like, you can be a beaver, not from the south. Oh, they made the character. Oh, the character being southern. I mean, I can't not be from the south. I know. In my voice. I know. Can you try? I could try, I guess, to not have a southern accent. Can you do it without making that face? No, I can't. Your face just became like, do it. Julie Andrews. I think that they probably wanted, I mean, the Marsh Market is sort of like by you. Yeah, yeah. So I think they wanted that vibe. Well, you nailed it, kid. Aw, thanks. Yeah. People were like, how did having those beaver teeth affect your voice? And I was like, I didn't even think about it. Oh, yeah. I just did my voice. Yeah. Well, what are you going to do? Wear the teeth in the beaver. I don't know if I'll say something like this. No way. How did the beaver teeth affect your voice? Yeah. Well, should we get to our question? I think we should. Okay, let's do it. Today's question asker is an actor who has starred in shows such as Masters of Sex and Party Down, as well as movies including Mean Girls, The People We Hate at the Wedding, and the new movie Now You See Me, Now You Don't. Lizzie Kaplan is asking today's question. Woohoo. Yeah. Hi, I'm Lizzie Kaplan, and my question is, what is the worst, it's a two-parter, what is the worst first impression you've ever made, and what is the most incorrect first impression that you've gotten of somebody else, from somebody else? Oh. Wow. Lizzie. That's so funny. Lizzie, so funny. Good question. Yeah, I love Lizzie. Doesn't she live in England, though? You know, I don't know her whereabouts. I believe, I thought, I think so, but I could be wrong. Yeah. She was wearing a kind of British sweater, it seemed kind of British. Is this British? That is British. That's British. I've got on my British coat. This isn't British, no way. This is a smoking jacket. Yeah. Cardigan. But I don't smoke. The incorrect first impressions is, I mean, we're probably doing that all the time projecting our own shit onto people, and I was part of that therapy program I did. Did I tell about that part where they said, if you had a bad reaction to someone in the group, write it down, because we were learning like, that's my negative projection. Because then you'll have to say to each other. Then we have to say to their face. Yeah. I remember that part. Okay, so I did talk about that, right? Yeah. I was like, well, a couple people said they didn't like you. Yeah, they said, I was dismissive and arrogant. Which you are, to be fair. Famously. Yeah. I was flabbergasted, but I guess the point of the exercise was like, we can't really control other people's experience all the time if they're, you know, yeah. They get to have their feelings. Yeah. Did anything jump into your minds about...? I was just thinking, I had a screening. I was at a screening for the Come See Me in the Good Light documentary. And a childhood friend of mine came and she was telling people at the, like I've known her since we were kids. And she was like, my mom was so scared of TIG. Because like, well, just because like I was like, you know, like not doing well at school. And like I carried my cigarettes in my pocket up on my shirt and throw a motorcycle. But my friend was like, but my mother didn't realize that like that was the extent of it. Oh, that's so funny. It was like, oh, I wonder what TIG's doing. Yeah. Like there wasn't anything. You weren't running amok. No, like I wasn't, I was, it was really what you saw. Yeah. It was the toad and the cigarettes and the t-shirt. Yeah. I was a class clown. I smoke cigarettes and throw a motorcycle. And her mom was just like, hard pass on this one. And then she was saying, and then when my book came out, it's called I'm Just a Person. It's a New York Times bestseller. But anyway, when that came out, my friend Ashley, she said, and then my mom like sends me your book for Christmas, you know, like, and she said, but you know, as, as kids, we had, she, Ashley was saying, I had friends that were like identifying as Christians. And meanwhile they were all doing drugs and getting trashed and sleeping with everyone. And, and I was just like, you're just listening to the Beatles. Yeah. It's like, is Ashley home? You're like, yeah. She leans. Yeah. So that was a bad first impression that lasted. Yeah. You know, I think I'm friendly. I never see Ashley's mother anymore, but I think she must be over it. Now she's a fan. She's buying your book. Well, she bought my book. Yeah. It's Senator Ashley. Yeah. But I think I had a lot of those parents that kind of were like, what's up with that one? Yeah. Yeah. What's up with this dyke? Yeah. Yeah. Riding in here trying to take our daughters out. Yeah. Were you, were you dating back then? No. With a bowl hair, greasy bowl haircut? I don't know. We saw that one photo of you and the stickers flew off the shelf. Yeah. Well, I was 19 then. Oh, what age are you talking about now? I was, you know, I was, I don't know, a few years younger than that. So you hadn't come into your own yet? I hadn't. Yeah. I really hadn't. I'm sorry. What about you guys? I'm sure you have a million bad impressions you've made, both of you. I had an interesting time when I lived in Spain for, I lived in Spain for a year after I graduated college. And during that time, I didn't know many people in Spain. Really? One of my, what, like making friends. Yeah. Got it. It was very hard to make friends. And my, my good friend from college was also in Sevilla at that same time. So we hung out a lot, but other than that, I was alone a ton. Yeah. And I was also traveling around Europe by myself. So I was constantly alone and I didn't realize that it was really affecting my personality. Whereas I was like really, you know, silly. I'm similar now to what I was in college. Like boisterous, silly, ridiculous. And in Spain, I was pretty introverted, pretty quiet and shy. Like it really brought my personality super down. Really? Just being very like, yeah, I was like the wallflower. And so when I moved, I moved to LA. But you said you kind of were a wallflower when you were younger too? When I was pretty young. Yeah. You were just like comfortable with your own company too? Where you were just in Spain. Yeah. By myself constantly. But I didn't realize how quiet I had become. And so when I moved to LA, that personality came with me and it made it really hard for me to meet friends in LA in my first two years. People thought I was such a dork and had no personality. No one wanted me. No one wanted to be my friend. Imagine describing you as someone with no personality. Well, because I kind of didn't. I was still being demure and like still being quiet. And so I was just a different person and like no one wanted to be my friend. And so I met this guy, Steve, who was working, I was working for this actress and he was working on her show. Yeah. And he was wearing a Carolina shirt and I was like, oh my God, someone from North Carolina. It was like, I could breathe. Yeah. Oh my God, there's some comfort here. And I desperately wanted to be his friend, but my desperation was like oozing out of me, I guess. Yeah. Yeah. The desperate stank. And he thought I had a crush on him. No. Yeah. Because he was like, yeah, because I was just like really wanted to be his friend. And so he was like, whoa, like, so he did not want to be my friend and like would not hang out with me. But I knew, I was like, we're supposed to be best friends, but you can't tell people that or you're crazy. Yeah. But I just knew in my gut, I was like, this is supposed to be my best friend, but I don't know how to make him know that we're supposed to be best friends and my personality is not great right now. So I had to, I gave him the- Did you tell him all of that? Later. We laugh about it now. But he's who became your roommate. He's became a roommate. Yes. Yes. I had the worst impression of myself. He just was not having it. And then, so for months went by, not friends did not hang out, but somehow we exchanged. Remember the AOL messenger thing? Yeah. Well, you could leave like, it was very popular at the time and you could leave like away messages or whatever. Wait, what are away messages? Like when you were like idle, not like not there, but your computer stayed on. Okay. I would say like so it was offline, but it would have like a message like- But I'll be back after I go to the bathroom. Whatever. Yeah. Perfect example. It'll take me about 15 minutes. I'll explain later. Exactly. See what a crush. Rotten chicken. I had his AOL thing and my roommate was moving back home and his roommate was leaving and he put on his message that he needed a roommate and I was like, this is my end. Oh my God. And he's like, damn. Yeah. He was like, the door closed. The door closed. The door closed. The door of me. And I'm just like, I need a roommate. I would, but he's so nice that he didn't like know what to say. So he just kind of was like, all right. And then of course I moved in, but once I had a friend, my personality started to come back. Yeah. And then I ended up being his most fun friend he's ever had in his entire life. No. Do you bring it up a lot where you're like, he thought I was lame? And he thought I had a crush on him. That's the best. I wasn't out technically at the time. So I mean, I guess, you know, it was unclear. Yeah. But I was like, I'm queer. Unqueer. But yeah, he definitely, everyone that met me in that first, especially year in LA thought I was the biggest door. Forgettable. Yeah, like this girl. He's going to go pack it back up to North Carolina. That's so funny. I'm trying to think. I mean, all through, I mean, it just, I think a lot of parents and my friends and my teens are probably rightly like, this is such a pretentious little idiot. And then, cause that sounded too real when I said that. Oh, cause I was like, yeah, I'm not really into new music. Like I was like, I was literally reading Jack Kerouac. Like I was such a cliche and like writing my little notebook. And just like so tortured and. Aw. But I'm thinking about. But that's all gone away. The torture. Yeah, of course. Yeah. You grew out of that. I literally go home and read Jack Kerouac and write my notebook and write sad poems. No, I'm still in it. I'm thinking of, I don't know if I've talked about on the pod before because I, I'm, I sort of don't, but that my uncle married the Queen of England's niece. So. Oh. Loyalty. Yes. I mean. You're just a very boy. He's up. But it's so crazy because it says on my Wikipedia page that I'm like related to the Queen, but this is, I swear I'm not a nepo baby. Like this was so random and so far from our family and my uncle was an actor and a painter and then met this woman and she goes, I'm Princess Margaret's daughter. And then they're an amazing couple. Anyway. Oh, Princess Margaret. And then I went to the, that Princess. So I go to the wedding. Royalty is speaking. I know. I swear. There's no way you're going to convince us. Royalty. I mean, look at the boots on the floor. It is. Yeah. My royal boots right there. It's so far from. Is he alive? Yeah. I have an uncle and aunt and cousins and stuff. When I lived in England, I would see them. They're awesome. They're like, they just, they're painters and they live in a normal house. But it is bizarre. And cause she, cause she is in the royal family, right? Yeah. And my cousins are like in line to the throne. I guess. Oh, wow. But I don't like to talk about it cause it's, cause it's not my life. It's so not your life. It's so not my life. Not your, yeah. Where are you in line for the throne? Because after everyone. Love for you to be in that royal family. Would you still do this podcast if you were the king? What would you be in line to the throne thing should be connected to your IMDB rating. What you have been. What are you right now. What's it rating. I don't know. I know. I know. Do you. Yeah. You're correct. 451. I'm way different. I'll shut up. I'll shut up. Thomas, will you look at. Ten chicks. Ten chicks eight. Ten chicks eight. Ten chicks eight. 35. 35. 35. I was one guys. Yeah, but you don't understand not a month ago like 20 to like 900 like that really on the way out. I'm on the way Thomas who's number one Fortune 35 is no, I'm not I'm like 950 or no. I'm like 1200 Jacob Alordi Jacob Alordi, yeah, that's fair. You were in rare air rare fun air you royal But wait anyway my the end of this dumb story is that I'm eight years old And I was living in England and we got to go to the royal wedding which was at the palace There was it was in a church and then it was Diana's wedding the note wait to my uncle's wedding Oh that wedding and we were so excited May wasn't alive when princess Diana got married But you were there But anyways everyone Tell us everything I wasn't even born yet May's like I don't like to talk about it that I was If you zoom in you can see me. I'm one of the choir boys. So they had a royal wedding Yeah, and my grandma this is like imagine a British woman in your 60s at the time or whatever And you get to go to the world like she was so excited And everyone was like may when you meet the queen like there'll be a line up and you have to curtsy and you have to say your Your majesty and it was all this protocol and I was eight and I couldn't keep it straight in my head and And uh, and that was my worst first impression. I think is I panic they said oh and if anyone asks you about your Handbag a little purse they go say it's Venetian. I don't know what I remember this It's like a weird dream So prince charles comes up to me goes what a lovely handbag and I went it's Venetian And then this is the dream or this is real This is real. I swear to god. Lovely handbag. It's Venetian and I was so manic It was so overwhelming the whole thing That my aunt had to tell me You need to stop trying to follow me around and talk to me I have to talk to other people because she was like a celebrity like a bride is always the celebrity of the wedding And I was in all the photos. I'm literally just like hanging on to her dress But anyway, I met the queen and I went for a handshake like you're supposed to and I that's a big no no I couldn't do the curtsy and I just went man. I'm a martin. I'm what did she do? She's so nice. Did she shake your hand though? Yeah, she was like hello. Oh, I guess with the child Yeah, everyone was so nice to me but And then I would what would be more exciting to you meeting the queen or tom cruise I think you know the answer tc. It's tc every day. Yeah I mean it was thrilling though, but over stimulating and right and then um I was having driving lessons recently and my driving instructor. Oh, I'm taking every I mean it's been two years since you talked about getting this license. Oh Right. Yeah, it's weird. It's when we started the pod May was like I gotta give up license. What are you not getting? Well, I stopped for you turn the steering wheel You push go and stop. There's more than that tig. There's ignition parallel parking I'm turning all the way to the right and all the way to the left parallel parking is the hardest part of driving But then just don't parallel park for a bit. Well my driving instructor Robert he he taught The mccana hay kids how to drive as well as some of the car dashy and kids. All right. All right. All right I know so I was telling my friend and they were like, of course you have the nepo baby driving instructor Because you have nepo baby energy and I don't If nepo baby enter what is that? I they're like you don't cook you take ubers like I know you do uber eats a lot, right? I'm turning a newly from getting my license. Yeah, I'm cooking. I made this week. I made when are you getting your life? December 8th. I'm doing that and then it'll be years still when this comes out. I hopefully you'll have your license We'll we'll be the studio next time and we just like a car slams to the wall I feel like the coolie made out their license Uh anyways, but that was probably The worst first impression I made to everyone at that wedding because there's all of the royals Yeah, and there's a photograph where I'm just lying on my back in my dress in the middle of the grass You get a pass. I think when you're eight, yeah, you're eight, right? Yeah. Yeah, I met the corgis All the cute was crazy. There were many of them, right? So many of them. Yeah Yeah, and I met the queen mother and princess Diana was there briefly And uh, it was a magical day princess Diana and I had the same birthday. So really? Yeah kindred spirit No way princess in the hair Diana I I started stand up I with like she was coming up at the same time the day Nice before like right around when she died. Oh really? Yeah That's was your first stand-up? Yeah. Yeah, it was right around then Well, I have I can bring this all this whole episode all together bring it by saying we need that every episode That then I was watching the good the bad and the ugly with my family and then the phone rang and my Grandfather was on the phone. He said princess Diana died turned on the news and we turned on the news and the first thing we saw was CNN and we have tom cruise on the line and it was tom cruise calling into cnn saying The paparazzi like this is what happened. It was just so weird. The first thing we heard was his take on it And he was Really passion. That is who we want to hear from and you're rational. Yeah, yeah, worldly. You really did promise. I did right? Yeah Is any of it true? None of it. Okay, not a word I Also want to acknowledge like as far as bad first impressions after I said what mine was. Yeah, I realized that um I as a child and even as an adult for a long time was way more shut off Armor protective. Yeah hadn't worked through a lot of stuff And I'm certain I made A ton of terrible first impressions right where I was like, you know the punk rock Not that I was ever punk rock, but you know the punk rock kid like as long as you just say hello to them They're like hi. Yeah, but you know that it's scary. Yeah, and it's like their punk rock Usually because there's something going on. Yeah. Yeah, it's a little soft on the inside. Yeah, it's so true. Yeah, and so um, I realized like Yeah, I think I think you know When I got really sick and lost my mother and stuff it like really cracked me open and I had a very different way Yeah, even going through all this with Andrea and meg and the movie and um, I just have a very different Look, yeah, um, I'm not look but uh outlook and um, so yeah I'm sure I made a ton of terrible first impressions Well, I if you ever had I when you're in a group or at a dinner party and I've so often I'm like this person hates me like why this person is so rude to me And then it turns out that they're just a fan or they're nervous and they're like later on they're like Oh, yeah, I saw that thing and I really liked it and the whole night I've been going this fucking assholes like I'm just they're they don't even want to look at me and I'm just trying to You know, you know creating everything. Yeah, that's their nerve when I sat to go back to the governor's awards I sat down there's an actress next to me and I and I was like, oh I'm just gonna be the one that That says yeah. Yeah, I didn't I wasn't Yeah familiar with her, but I was like, hey, I'm tig. She's like, hi. How are you? It's so friendly and I was like Yeah, it's a reminder to do that to make the effort. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah So anyway, well to really bring it full circle with Tom Cruise He uh is famously Famously Known is it your buck teeth? Yeah, I'm finally doing the voice He have we talked about the tom cruise cake? Yeah. Yeah, he remembers everyone's name. It's coming up Soon where people on his list will be getting this Tom cruise cake Do you think I'm on the list? I Hope to god that you are because if you are I don't I don't think it would be vegan And so you should give it to me. Yeah, you guys. Um, it's coconut. It's coconut. I can't love it. So yeah, I will take it All I want is to have to Thomas. I will get for sure. Thomas gonna have half I don't need a whole cake. Okay. Thomas is gonna have half and I have the other half But you do need half a cake and Thomas knows need the other half. I do need happy cake. Okay. Um, I don't I mean if I met TC great. Yeah, um, but I really just want him to send me one of this cake You can probably buy that you can buy in living Hills at dones bakery, you know where it is I've had it before you buy them on gold belly. What you do? You've never heard of gold belly. Have you know I can like buy two against one gold belly Have you Thomas we've talked about it on you guys don't ever listen to me It's a it's a website where like restaurants sell they're like They're known for their cakes or like they're known for their lobster rolls or they're known for their whatever pizza And you can buy that restaurants or whatever companies thing, yeah, uh, you know eight layer pies or whatever and Yeah, the tom cruise cake is one of the cakes you can buy But you want it specifically from I want it from him, but it also is delicious and I will just eat it Well, you're gonna end up in a Action film with him Yeah, you will but also I wouldn't be surprised if you did like a thing might end up in the first If I have to yes, that is why I got into stand Princess so yeah, I'm maybe maybe we'll get a tom cruise cake I'd actually be a bit freaked out if I met him once and then ding dong the cake arrives Yeah, see I'm gonna be freaked out after meeting him once and I don't get a cake. Yeah, you're gonna be like what I do What if oh my gosh girl Girl girl. Oh my god. Curly toes. My toes are girls. What is girl? He gets me the cake and it's vegan. That would be a crazy classic tc taking care of us TC is TC being I cannot wait for my Coconut cake Should we hear uh, Lizzie's? Oh, yeah Response remember we were still gonna do that. Yeah My answer is a bit of a cop out but also true. I feel like my first impressions are always The ones I make are often very bad Uh people think that I'm That I think I'm like too cool for school. I've heard that a lot and uh Bad uh first impressions of other people You know that I miscalculate uh every time everybody everybody Everybody so always her and and always everybody always everybody Always there and always everybody Fair enough. Okay. I'm gonna remember that but I have to say when I was sick Lizzie reached out to me. Uh-huh and she said every Friday Is tig day and I'm gonna email and remind you How great you are. Oh And she did that it'd be great if he said a couple of months and then never heard from her again She's like, I think tiggs fine now. Yeah, she's good. I can stop doing this right every now and then I it crosses my mind I'm like, should I write her and be like what happened to the emails on fridays? That's nice, so I mean to do it for someone to do it steadily for that long is unusual. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, but uh Where are they? Yeah I believe she's in england Well email works. Lizzie. Yes email works in england. So they say Who said that? The governor the governor the royals the governor Well, well, well, well you guys What a delightful Way to spend a five. You think my hands are cold feel this one. Oh my god. Are you like in high spot? Yes Yeah, what's up with y'all? I'm warm now. I've been drinking this frosty bath I've put my hands in my cooter And on that note In my coochie Oh my god, Kate McCoochie Kate is a real good sport. Yeah Yeah Does anyone have anything they'd like to promote? Well, first of all, I want to say my animal painting books that I made are restocked And what a great holiday gift all 100% of the pro feeds pro feeds Pro feeds all the pro feeds all the pro feeds all the pro feeds Famously Famously pro feed They all go to doctors without borders and um go to animal art by may on on etsy And there's these paintings and hats and tote bags and stuff But also i'm on tour starting the end of february and I just added a bunch of extra Late shows and I would love people to come to them. You want people at your shows? I for once. Yeah I'm going to austin. I know that I need to sell some more tickets there Uh, yeah anywhere that you like. Well, I'm also Going on tour. Oh, you know did I cut off your tour information? Okay, and what you want some people to come to yours? Yeah, I I have quite a few dates here, but I was just gonna mention a few of them one of them being January 14th in fort lauderdale Orlando get your keanie out January 15th in Orlando Jacksonville, florida What? Yeah, january 17th. I'll be there and then oklahoma city february 20th midland texas come on Midland February really february 21st, and then I also wanted to tell you guys about redbank, new jersey april 26th brooks california may 15th and Calispell montana June 11th pretty area. Yes beautiful areas that I'll be in beautiful Beautiful and please come on out go to tignotaro.com for the rest of the dates But I just want to let you know it's different months and different cities and states all sorts of stuff going on Heck yeah, heck. Yeah. I'm also on tour. Are you? I've got shows coming up in where I'm in orlando, florida St. Petersburg We got uh, what else we got we got norfolk virginia I feel like you've been going there for a long time because that one got rescheduled. So that's okay But it's definitely happening right after christmas. Salt Lake city Vancouver and then uh spin new year's eve with me in seattle y'all That's gonna be a fun one. Don't have to tell me twice. Come on. I'm gonna come and then right after that mobile Alabama New Orleans and in lana and a bunch more. I think uh, Cincinnati, indianapolis to mowing a lot of places. So yeah, get those tickets. We're easy to trip over Yeah, we are and also if you have not seen come see me in the good light Please check it out on apple tv. It went to the number one spot on apple. It's incredible Out of all genres. So good. It is really really something. Yeah, I met meg and and She immediately called me fortune. Marie. Did she? That's real sweet. Yeah, isn't she wonderful? Incredible incredible Um, well, um, yeah, go to handsome pod.com. Get your merch. Yeah, we have new merch holiday merch also Share your favorite episode. Mm-hmm with your loved ones. Let's Continue to build this community. 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