Young Male Viewers Aren't Anti-Democrat, They're Anti-Failure

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Selected stores and lines subject to availability exclude Asda Express and small stores. See Asda.com slash Small Stores. Hey, everybody, welcome back to the Find Out podcast. You've just got Luke and I today, but we have a very special guest on a very important topic today. We have Ariana Jones from NextGen America, who is joining us to talk about some findings of a focus group on young voters. So, Ariana, thank you for joining us today. Thanks so much for having me. So, before we dive into the focus groups, can you just tell our audience a little bit about what NextGen does? Yeah, NextGen is an organization that's really focused on building right now your year-round community on college campuses. So, basically, we're creating student-run clubs where young people can organize. They can take action together, the ultimate goal being that they engage civically, so we get them registered to vote, educate them on the issues and get them out. Right. And so, obviously, Democrats of 2024 didn't do so well with young voters as they traditionally have, in particular with younger men. So, you guys have done a focus group here, and I'll let you explain what it is and we'll dive into the specifics. But in doing this, what were you looking for when you started this focus group of young voters? I mean, I think there's a lot of headlines out there right now about what young voters are thinking are sort of the more salacious versions of it. And I think it demands a bit more texture, a bit more context. I think often we go to the most sort of salacious or sexy headline when it comes to how they're feeling, when in reality, they're just like everyone else. The concerns they have are very real, grounded in real, everyday realities. And I think it's something that is due in terms of people paying attention to. Right. So, when you did this, tell us a little bit about, like, a lot of people here, the term focus groups, they probably think of people with a glass window where you can't see. But like, what is an actual focus group? What does that mean in practice? Yeah, it's just getting together. I mean, right, the way that we did it was digitally, which is obviously a lot more accessible, especially for the audience that we're trying to talk to. But we get together a group of folks. These were self-identified swing voters. And they were ages 21 to 25 in these sort of key states across the country that we're working in. And it just is an opportunity for us to sit down and just sort of pick their brains very specifically. We keep them small with the intention to actually get some meaty topics going, having sort of cross talk about it. But it was fascinating. And I think, again, another example of people often, I think, underestimate how politically sophisticated young people are. They know what's going on. They're tuned in. They are not apathetic. They are very much paying attention. And when they, the definition of a swing voter, per se, because that's obviously like a mean a bunch of, what, what, when they were saying they were swing voters, does that mean that they have, they have voted for both parties in the past or are not affiliated? What does that look like? So, so self-identified swing voters, like, they're not necessarily like ideologically split anymore. I think right now what we're seeing is that when they're self identifying as swing voters, they're essentially feeling like not either party is listening to them. So these are people who may lean a certain way, but they've just fallen so far that they're now swing voters. They're basically persuadable enough for grabs. Sounds like 90% of my graduating class. Correct. Correct. Yes. Well, and Luke does fit within the, the age range, the age range that you, so we're going to have him be the sort of like extension of the focus group. He probably sits in the 10% that are one side or another, but, but it is interesting. So, so, so we did this. So what did you, so top line. So we were told there was a massive swing towards the Republicans with young voters and particular young men voters, and that, you know, we were going to have a lot of work to do on the progressive or democratic or liberal, however you want to phrase it, side. What did you find? It sounds like to me that these are actually gettable votes again for Democrats if they play their hand correctly. Yes. You know, I think like we can jump right into it in terms of the issues that they were talking about because, because I think it's an opportunity. I think, for instance, the economy, you know, when we asked these, these young people what they thought about the economy, one person literally just described it trash, just all trash. I saw that when I read the right. And I think another one that hit me was like Sisyphus, a guy, you know, sort of described his situation as pushing a boulder up a hill, having to keep on rolling down. You know, another person said like it's essentially that feeling that I think all of us have heard in one way or another. It doesn't keep itself confined to focus groups, but that feeling of like, I have done everything right. I have taken the path you all told me to take. And I'm getting nothing but rejection from the real world right now, especially. And so I think a lot of folks, essentially, especially when it comes to the economy, they felt lied to. That that was the general consensus. They really felt like they were sold something that is not materializing for them. Well, I think you were going to touch on it, but I did see one person in the report saying basically what you said, right? She was like, I went to college, I did the internships, I worked my ass off. And now I've sent out hundreds of resumes and gotten radio silence back. And I think we have seen that for a lot of people in this economy, but in particular for the younger people. And it seems like it's true. And it's like we tell them to do these things. And then there's nothing for them at the end of the day. Right. Yeah. I mean, I think one of the things that stuck with me ever since I heard it watching the focus group was that one of the participants described himself as feeling like a commodity or a product that was being sold back to himself. And I have not been able to stop thinking about it because essentially what he was saying was that like, you know, there's an extraction taking place by people in power who have money and getting more money for their friends. I mean, again, it feels like, you know, there, I think across the board, across demographics, especially age demographics, a lot of people feel like things are stacked against them. This is a generation, though, that has not had a seat at the table yet to make any sort of choices about how they landed there. Right. So, so moving more into this more in depth, did they give any answers on like the types of things related to the economy that they would like to see from candidates? I mean, a lot of what we ended up talking about was they don't want to see. Okay. Ultimately, in some ways, sometimes better. Right. Yeah. And more, I think, informative, particularly when we're talking about a roadmap for people moving forward in different bodies. But I would also say, you know, the thing they do want, and it's really across the board, and it goes to the economy, but across the board, action. The main thing that they mentioned being tired of is like, this is a generation that is tech literate, they were brought up on the internet. And what I try to help folks understand is that because of that, they are also extremely capable of reading when they're being sold something. Because it's been happening ever since they signed up for their first, you know, whatever social media. And at the end of the day, they are exhausted by sort of promises, rhetoric, words, they just want action. I think, you know, one of the reasons they brought up, for instance, Mamdani, was because they, yeah, because they really felt as if it was an example to them, like a real sort of in your face example of someone who was saying things, but then backing that up concretely with action. That's what they're looking for. It's actually, I think at the end of the day, too, I'm here to tell people it's not that complicated. We're over complicating it, if anything. Yeah, I mean, I live in New York City, so like, and was a supporter of Mamdani. And, you know, the first people were like, oh, he's a 34 year old two term assembly member, like he can't do this, we've got these people like Andrew Cuomo, and other people who have experience, and that's what we need. But what we found was that one, his message about like what the city could be in his vision was very clear. But since he has been sworn in since January, he's been doing the things shock like this novel concept. And then he does shit. He's doing the things and it's not just on his like, you know, he did do, we got two year olds got childcare, free childcare. So he did put on that. But he's also doing things like he went and like told the public works department to go fill 9,000 potholes, like stuff on your on your door step, basically, or when we had a snowstorm, the first one was kind of a mess. We didn't have the resource. He then said, All right, well, I'm going to pay New Yorkers $25 or something an hour to go shovel. And then all of a sudden, there were no problems at all. So it's like, it's just doing right. Like it just seems like they need to see that you are doing affecting change, or they're not going to be supportive of you. And I think more broadly to something that I think is really important about I'm Donnie for this group of folks is that like, you know, I have the benefit of having witness collective action work and seeing the byproduct of that, they have not. And so having someone who can actually sort of like demonstrate what that looks like and then the like what you get out of having shown up for someone, it's a real positive. But I think, you know, ultimately, that baseline is like action speak louder than words. That's a direct quote from one of the the suspense. That's their filter. And like, it's a really low bar, like almost no one's clearing it. And it's a really low bar. Yeah, I mean, it is important for people to remember it. I have to do this because I was in the Obama administration for five years. The Gen Z voters don't either don't remember those years or were too young to even or didn't exist. So like we had like eight years that we all, you know, thought was very effective. And, and, you know, we were very inspired by but like, you know, he left office 10 years ago now almost. And so like they need to see this. But, but interestingly enough, the flip of that going to the to the current president, so he is somebody that you could argue has moved fast to change things. Not in my opinion, well, but he did at the beginning, right? There was this like this flood the zone thing and he went out and he was doing these things. But it sounds like the young voters are clearly smart enough to not just fall for while he's getting things done. It's it's what gets done to right. Yeah. And I think, you know, sort of going back to like, what is the big top line picture for I think, especially Democrats looking at what I've seen in these focus groups and beyond. It's like, you know, in terms of like, will that demographic now shift to voting dem? conditionally, like that's probably the most honest answer that I can give or more useful answer I can give, because I think, you know, what we're seeing right now in the polling, but also in our focus groups and all of these discussions is that, you know, Trump's benefit of the doubt with this generation is gone. They've now watched him, they are rendering a verdict. But that energy still needs somewhere to go. Right. Somewhere to land. And I think, you know, that is the sort of important what happens next step. Yeah, they got to feel like they get something in return. Yeah, like they don't they don't have a lifetime of Democrats helping them out. They have gotten jacked shit thus far. Yes. And I think like we often are framing this in the wrong way, which like again, I talk about the headlines and sort of misinterpreting, especially the youth vote. But it's like, I think people talk about the youth vote as recoverable. And they're referencing a demographic that no longer exists within the youth vote. Like it's earnable. And I want people to be clear about that it's not recoverable, it's earnable, like the, for especially like the young men that we spoke to, they are not anti Democrat when it comes to ideology. They're anti like failure or their, their, you know, but they uselessness, right. And I think like the left just has to show up and say the thing and do it. But I but I always am really careful to say that like, you know, it is earnable. I also think at the end of the day, we are seeing the vacuum of other folks taking advantage of, you know, the opening. So leaving that space open, I think is also a choice. So, so let's, let's talk about that then for Democrats. So obviously, like, you know, polling is showing that, you know, Democrats are in a good position for the fall. I think there's no doubt that you would rather be on the Dem side than the Republican side at this moment. But that doesn't mean that there aren't votes out there that are, that are undecided at this point. So for Democrats, so for Democrats to earn the people in your focus groups vote, what do they need to do? I mean, lead with the economy, obviously, I mean, just like I said, like any other demographic, this is like in a very unique way pressing on them. And I would also say there, you know, we were, I was kind of surprised about the extent to which there were discussions about the anxieties around AI, uniquely different concerns about AI coming from men versus women, which was also a new information or sort of new texture for me to dig into. But their anxiety about AI at the end of the day, like isn't only about AI, it's about power, right, like who controls the future, who benefits from, you know, this new technology, like will ordinary people have a say, you know, they drew a straight line from like Elon Musk to data centers, to job losses, to Trump's inauguration guest list. Like, I mean, like that is a very connected, coherent worldview. Like they are not confused about who the antagonist is, but they're just waiting for someone to act like it. From the producers of Baby Reindeer comes Alice and Steve exclusively on Disney Plus. I wish I was in love. You're my best friend. Anybody be lucky to have you. Meet Alice and Steve. We've known each other for over 30 years. When Alice's daughter starts to date Steve. Mom, I want to keep seeing him. Things start to unravel. Your mom just tried to shoot me. Yeah. 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I mean, I'm not here to like prescribe the solutions. I will say that like the young men were really focused on like the surveillance angle, the sort of social control element of it, the like surveillance state. And young women were more concerned about sort of like the like AI generated explicit images and sort of consent angle. But again, you know, all of these things speak to the general sense that they have also that there is this, you know, corruption taking place that's being completely unchecked. I mean, like we in addition to these, this focus group, we've done something where we are sending out texts using our distributed organizing tool to listen instead of organize folks. So we're just asking open ended questions. We did one million texts to the same states that we got folks from. And that breakdown of of issues that they were focused on. Number one, the economy number two was corruption, or in their words, fascism, authoritarianism. Those two combined are sort of what's driving and percolating. And I think that extends to AI just as much as it does to the other sort of issues that we got to talk about. Yeah, I mean, there's a reason that they're all booing for them at these commencement speeches. They're being told, Hey, look, here's the things, make sure you don't have a fucking job when you graduate. And I mean, that that's exactly why. Yeah, I mean, and also I graduated time at age, I graduated in 09. And I remember, you know, it was precarious then and everyone was sort of like, good luck, kid. I am grateful that I graduated in 09, because the reality is, is like, this is just sort of uncharted territory. And it doesn't seem like folks are really keeping especially young people in mind as they're having these sort of next step discussions. Well, it's interesting on the I want to dig in a little bit on the the fascism one, because that's interesting to be because obviously, like we have been on the left, suggesting that Donald Trump in this administration is running a pseudo fascist operation and that their goal would be eventually to, you know, to whittle down people's individual power so that they could stay in power. But then obviously we have been saying that but then in 24, especially young men in particular went way too Trump. So is the is the fascism thing in the last two years? Are they like, when they say they're worried about it, is it specifically about this administration? Or is it more just a big government critique? I think that their understanding of the big government right now is this administration. So by proxy, it is very much a sort of verdict on this administration. I also think they're witnessing now for the first time sort of in their own view, these things taking place. I would also say, I mean, I think I was very interested, the young men in our group, especially like they were calling him like, you know, a con man, a cult leader. I think, you know, there is a new sense of what he is capable of that maybe wasn't apparent to them previously. I think we also have to be realistic about the fact that like, there's also been a memification of politics that has taken place that makes it easy to sort of, you know, dial it down on the impact of some of the more evil. But it's something that I think we also have to think about. Like they had to witness this firsthand. And I think obviously, like this was also a person who's for some of them, he in their words, ruined their high school years, ruined their college years, and is now ruining the rest of their 20s. It's interesting that it's swing voters too. I mean, I think like, you know, we hear this on our side a lot, right? But like for folks that actually, you know, at one point, either check the box for him or supported him or some in that party, it's a pretty shocking to hear how specific in this, in this, you know, these focus groups, when I was reading it, right, like the con man stuff, criminal like mob boss, essentially type behavior, which we know is happening. But it is, it is, I think, a bit of a relief for some of us who thought that some of these young voters were maybe lost or that the right wing media, media ecosystem had swallowed them up to the point of no return. But you're finding that that is not the case at all. Makes me feel like I'm doing my job well, Tim. Yeah, there you go. Luke's not just screaming into the void. Yeah, my audience is like a good percentage young man. That makes me feel good. Well, and again, like I said, persuadable, that it's not to say that they've swung in either, you know what I mean? But it's like, they're on the table. And to me, that that's good enough, right? It's up to us. Our job is to at the end of the day, make a case, right? It's and I think we used to accept that young people were essentially like a shoe in for particularly Democrats. That's old news. You know, and I think the other thing that I really try to get folks to realize is that like, in 2026, there's going to be almost 50 million Gen Z years will be eligible voters. 8.5 million of those will have aged into the electorate since the 2024 presidential election. Like that is how quickly this churn happens within this demo. 43% of those this is all according to circle 43% of those are unaffiliated. Okay, and then only and then only 7% of those say that they don't participate because they don't, they're not interested in politics. So what that says to me is like the disengagement narrative, like totally wrong, not true. It's an infrastructure problem or a credibility problem. It's not a nappity problem. And it's solvable. If we, you know, are intentional about it and treat I think also this demographic with respect. Did you, I think I saw this, so I apologize if I made this up in my head, but like, I think there was a mention of what, what politicians that they were supportive of or liked. And we mentioned Memdani, obviously, what are some of the others that they mentioned? Yeah, the folks that they mentioned Memdani, obviously, like you said, AOC, Maxwell Frost was mentioned, Whitmer was mentioned. I think, you know, yeah, it was, I think, trending younger, obviously. I'm like, subtly checking my read on my own generation against the results from this. How many of them mentioned age in politicians? It was mentioned quite a bit that there will not be as much progress until like a certain generation is aged out of leadership. Luke, that checks out with what you hear, right? Unsurprised. Yeah, I want to hear, especially because this is an extension of the focus group, like what, what do you hear on that end? They fucking hate it. That people that have one foot in the grave make all the, make choices that will affect us for the rest of our lives when they don't have to like, not only do they have to live with those choices for very long, but in the moment, they stand to gain from those things and people like us don't. They hate that. Yeah, that's what we heard too. Yes. Yeah. And Luke, is that some of that obviously is the fact that there is literally, in some cases, a 60 year age difference with some of these people, right? So it's like, but is it because of their age or is it because there are more progressive slash action oriented challengers who are not getting a shot because they're not there? Or is it a combination of both? Both. I mean, I mean, part of it, part of the age thing is it's hard to have much in common with a politician that's 60 years older than you. Like those people don't know what it's like to live right now. They, most of them haven't lived life like you or I in a long time. I'd be willing to bet that term limits were mentioned a couple of times as well, because these people have made careers out of living like this and have never lived like us. They hate that. Well, and I think something I want to point out too, because like you're getting passionate about this. And this is exactly like this is the stuff where I'm like, see, like there's something to work with here when you're that passionate about something being wrong, right? And to me, I'm also like, I think this speaks to another issue that there is on the Dem side, which is like, there's a bench crisis. You know, because I think what's less discussed about the feelings young people have when it comes to just civic engagement is like, that's a pipeline crisis, because the pipeline starts with your civic engagement or identity. So if like your answer is no at 22, you're like, now I'm not participating, like they don't see themselves as political actors. You don't just lose a voter, you could lose, you know, someone who might run one day or like a donor or an organizer or somebody who will participate and make it more representative. Yeah, so I mentioned on the show a few times, it's sort of like a feeder system that like, like in the minor leagues for baseball, you've got single A, A, A, A, A, A, A, and you move up the rungs and like, that's the same situation in politics, right? Like a city council or a school board seat, then maybe leads to like, you know, a member of the assembly and the state legislature, then Congress that and if you don't have those slots aren't open, you don't get new people. And so, you know, when you've got people in their 80s, still hanging on. Yeah, when they're walking out of the nursing home to come to a vote, yeah, it's almost like a plug on the system. Like it's stuck. Like there is no movement. Yeah, yes. Yeah, I think, you know, at the end of the day, they were very invigorated by anyone who like was trying something new, essentially. But again, trying something new and also willing to do the thing, right? Not just try something new for the sake of it and do it authentically, obviously. But yeah, no, I think your perspective on this is pretty much the same one that folks had. And also, it's something that I feel very strongly is probably preventing us from getting some really talented folks in the pipeline. Yeah. So we only got a couple of minutes left. But so overall, I'm just curious from your perspective, because obviously, Democrats, we tend to be doom and gloom a lot, even though it looks like, you know, the fall looks pretty good, even though the Republicans have been playing games with Jerry Bannering and things like that. Would you say that you are how what was the most surprising thing to you in this? And then as a secondary, do you feel more hopeful for our country's future or less helpful, hopeful based on this focus group result? So not like, I will say, you know, as someone who's really tried to be proactively communicating with younger folks as much as possible to stand out, this was not really surprising. And I'd be like curious, like, do you think it was surprising? Like, probably not. Like, you know, I think the reason we are doing this is to ensure that this gets out more and that people are more aware of what's going on and what are actually like what's actually being said. Because like I said, there is an opportunity, I will say, you know, I think that the young men in our group were very concerned about like sort of the next phase of this, meaning that their concern was about like a more sophisticated evil coming in after a Trump administration. And, you know, to me, that was that was interesting because these are again, like, I never think they're checked out. I think a lot of people do. And instead, they're paying such close attention that they're five steps ahead and already thinking about the next thing they're gonna have to worry about. But I will say, like, I do feel more hopeful because of the fact that there's this like, frustration. To me, frustration is opportunity. Like if someone is frustrated, you haven't lost them yet. And I think also like all it takes is, you know, really, truly ask, ask, they will tell you explicitly what they need. And then it's just a question of, are you willing to stand up and do the thing? But I think, you know, the big thing for me is like, when people are concerned about like, will, will they vote after you hear this, it's hard to imagine, right? Like that there's a lot of frustration. And I think one person even said that their voice feels like meaningless compared to the corporations. I know. But I would say like, that is a rational response to watching money win over and over and over again. And we cannot tell people to just like vote harder. Right. That's not how it works. And so I think, you know, I feel hopeful because they are so smart, tuned in, connecting things at a sophisticated level, and capable of like standing up and having a really like, I think a strong voice and opinion. So for me, I'm like, if we can give them the tools, resources, all of that to get them, you know, loud and out there, I do see them, this demographic making a huge change. I really do. And I'm not just saying that it's the kind of thing that can keep you going on a hard day. No, I mean, this has been really eye opening. And I agree. I am hopeful when I was reading it, I was like, Oh, this is so much better than I thought I was going to see. And the message is right. There's interesting. In the report, I would wager, I would say you give a better autopsy for the 2024 election based on the focus group results than the DNC put out by itself. Everything in there is exactly what led to it. It's honest. It's an honest accounting. You know, look, I wasn't going to say it. I wasn't going to say it. I wasn't going to say it. You're 100 percent right. That's the truth. That's why they lost. Well, I mean, I think everything in there is why they lost. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you just have to ask people. And I mean, there's a lot of reasons why that thing didn't go the way it did. But like, but I'm glad that next gen America stood up and took care of it anyway. So we got what we needed. And with that, I think we're going to wrap this. But this is Ariana. This has been a fascinating conversation and I feel really good. And I think any Democrats who are listening, just promise the things that you can deliver and they will like you and deliver them and deliver them. Right. Like trying not to be an octogenarian. Right. Not in Mondani. Yeah. Not to walk. Yeah. That too. But like the Mammadani model, it doesn't mean you have to be as far left as Mammadani. But the operation and the like the implementation of his vision is what's making him popular right now. Right. People's material conditions, like the hot holes impact people's lives daily. Yep. Right. And that's not a partisan thing. Just do it. No, it's just about material conditions in your life being improved. Right. Go figure. People don't like it when their oil pans fall out, drive another road. Right. Well, look, like I won't get into too much. Everybody knows what I think about the previous mayor. But like the previous mayor was a Democrat and didn't do that. So yes, he should have been criticized for that. And it is an easy win for Mammadani. And it's the same when we go into the presidential race in 28. Like you can't just say we're going to go after Trump and we're going to get back to normalcy. Right. Like that is the death of any campaign. Can I say one of the big flashing light things I want to tell everyone is that defining yourself in opposition to something is a tactic. It's not an identity. Right. And we have made it too much of an identity as opposed to recognizing that it is a tactic. That's it. But once you boil it down, you have to know who you are and what you stand for. That's the follow up. 100%. 100%. So all 3000 Democrats are going to run for president. I hope you're listening and hearing that because you're going to have to implement this. That's the way it's going to be. You're not going to get very far. So anyways, Ariana Jones from Next Gen America, thank you so much. First of all, thank you. For doing this work. It's so important. And I'm so glad that you could come on and share with our audience what you found. And we'll have to have you back on in a few months and see how things are going as well. But again, thank you. 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Getting on the action this summer with Sky Bear 18 plus gamblerware.org. All right, we are back. Well, that was fascinating. I'd probably no surprise to you since you live this on a day-to-day basis, but it's nice to have it validated that I'm not living in an echo chamber, that that's how people really feel. Because I've pride myself on my read on that. Because I present myself as kind of an authority on the subject. But it's nice to have it backed up data driven wise. Yeah, it's good to see that these younger voters, especially the men voters, are gettable. Right? Like I think we were told right after the election, oh, they're lost for a generation. And it's like, no, no, that's not how that works anymore. Right. Like I said, it's good. It is nice to hear it. Yeah. So anyways, hopefully all Dems will realize that they've got to be more action oriented because I think that's just what people are looking for. And moderates can do that. Progressives can do that. Everybody can do that. So everybody can do that. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know what? Not everybody can do. There's a pivot. I'm going to end on something. I like it. I like it. Have you heard, I think you have heard about this great America State Fair event? So I obviously did a video for our channel. So you definitely saw that. But I was, so there was this event, it was it was pitched to a bunch of, for lack of a better word, B and C list artists. I'm trying to find it now. Where the hell is this thing? So they put out an announcement the other day and I put my glasses on because I can't see this. They're old. The featured performers of the great America State Fair are Martina McBride, Young MC, C and C Music Factory. There's only one of those guys left. Vanilla Ice, not surprising. Millie Vanilly. Again, one of them, only one of them left. Also, they didn't sing. The Commodores minus Lionel Richie. Morris Day and the Time. Flowrida, which by the way, I didn't know that was actually, it's because he's from Florida. I never made that connection. Oh my God. Really? Yeah. And Brett Michaels. So these were the people that they went out and said that this was their on the Freedom 250 Great American State Fair. So apparently this was pitched as a nonpartisan celebration of America. And then it turned out that these are all Trump people and it was meant to be a Trump rally. Do you want to know how many of those nine performers are left two days later after they announced it? Two. And they're probably, well, maybe one's a surprise. Vanilla Ice is not a surprise. No, not at all. A guy who got famous off a song in which he claimed was all original material, even though it had the baseline for a munder pressure and he tried to claim that he wrote it. And then he got sued and he lost, which makes sense to be Magga and Flowrida. If I'm saying that, also not surprised. Everybody else. Funny that those are the only two people on the list that I know. The ones that the ones that are staying. I bet you know some of these people's music. Probably do. But like some of these guys, their one hit wonder ended before you were alive. Like young MC, for example, or CNC Music Factory was the 90s. Millie Vanilly was the 90s or 80s. And then they got caught lip syncing. Brett Michaels is in poison. So that may be where every rose has its thorn. I'm actually surprised he canceled. But anyways, all of these artists and they've all come out with like, we were told this was this was nonpartisan and this was Celebration America. So we're out. But it just shows the show. Trump has like nobody wants to be associated with him anymore. Like that's how bad it's going. He is a stinker of a human being. Yeah. I mean, like even like Snoop Dogg is like, he fucked himself. Oh, yeah. By like bowing down. That was a real bad play. I don't know what he was thinking because he's actually quite media savvy. Like he knows what he's doing. That was a bad fucking play. But that was really stupid. Was that the inaugural ball? Is that what he did? It was something. Yeah, I think it was the inauguration, something like that. But that was like real bad play because like every every person I see on the internet talking about him, that's what they're talking about. Not his lifetime of like music and shit. This. I can't imagine soiling my legacy that badly and that quickly. And also because he at this point, he makes more money off endorsements and funny commercials than he does off of music. This is going to make that harder. I mean, he was at the Olympics. Was that last summer in Paris that they were paying NBC was paying? Oh my God, half a million dollars a day. Because people loved him because he's the funny, you know, he's like a funny guy, right? And not somebody you'd see at curling necessarily or like Bob Slade or something. And then he's doing his like Southern California stick. But associating yourself with Trump, like brands are going to be, it's it's not a good, I mean, it's not a good look just from a moral perspective, but like even just from a financial, it doesn't seem like it makes a lot of sense to do that really. It really does really, really bad play. Yeah. So well, so next week, guys, it's going to be a little different for us. We're actually recording this on Friday, because Luke, Rich and Zach are all going to be at a conference called Trending Up Monday through Wednesday. And I am going to be at Netroots Nation Thursday through Saturday. So we're not sure what we're going to do for us. Big week for us. Big week, but we're going to be offline a little bit. But this show will be launching on Tuesday like normal. So you're hearing this. And then we actually have to figure out what the hell we're going to do with our, with our Thursday show. So it might just be me interviewing somebody, but maybe Zach will be back. But anyways, I think that's it for now. We actually are heading over to our Friday afternoon show, YouTube live show, which you can all find at, at find out media. We do it every Friday at noon. It's just kind of a fun show. And people come on and we make jokes and do all kinds of shit like that. So just on our YouTube page. But that's all for today, guys. Everyone have a lovely day. We will be back on Thursday with some form of the find out podcast. Bye everybody.