Episode 460 | I'm a Caveman

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Follow Between Us and start listening on the free iHeart Radio app today. We are back. Welcome back to our good brother, Jamil. Our good brother. He is back in the tri-state area. We thought we lost him to the south. Man Oh we lost him to the snow I'm saying they tried to keep me Can't keep a good dude down But he booked a flight on his Boost Mobile phone You know what I'm saying And he got back Thanks to Boost Unlimited talk You gotta be able to talk and text the airlines Yeah That's how you were able to book the flight When everyone else was scrambling Boost Mobile got me back to NYC Print that That's a fact That's a fact Print it Well how was your time away? It was great man Did the snow hit you? Did the snow hit me? Like where you were at? Nah It was just Airlines were shut down Because of The weather here But It was cool though I had a good time With the family man Got to see the fam For the weekend Weather was actually Decent in Virginia Actually Saturday The day of my nephew's birthday Was probably the best Weather they had in a while So it kind of worked out perfect I saw Were you gaming? No the kids were I wasn't sure if you stepped in I saw some I saw like the recap Nah man Recap of the party I can't Because you know You sit down And all these new games I haven't played Madden in years I haven't played 2K in years I wasn't about to have no 10 year olds Beat me in no games Talking shit all day Looked like there was A lot of kids there That may or may not Have single moms Did you meet anyone? Did you mingle? Like what was your Nah down there It's all like Two family households Oh yeah I forgot In the south They do that weird shit They get married at 19 You know how they do that High school sweethearts and shit That is not the south It's Virginia It's south from here But it's not the south Well that's what I mean People from Virginia Will be mad at you if you said they weren't from the South? No, they would be mad if you said from Richmond, they would be mad if you told them they were from the South. People from North Carolina and lower would get mad at you for saying Virginia's the South. But people from Virginia think they're from the South? Yeah. Technically, the Mason-Dixon line is below Maryland. Exactly. Technically, D.C.'s the South if you want to go by the Constitution. They'll be in your DMs cussing you out, calling them from the South. Why do people get mad at that, though? I don't know. Why do you get mad if you say they're from the South? Why are you mad at that? Because they look at the South like country bumpkins. and they don't think that they're a part of that. Oh, but that's on them though. If you're looking at the South like country bumpkins, that's true. I know some country bumpkins in New Jersey right now. Yeah, that's a fact. From South Jersey? Definitely. That's not just like subjective to the South. There's country bumpkins in the North as well. For sure. Whole Appalachian Mountains is that. Yeah. But I mean, if you go by the Civil War, which we all do. Naturally. Baltimore's in the South. Yeah, come on, man. I was below the Mason Dixon baby days, so I was in the South. Okay. But we're happy to have you back Thank you man Good to see y'all How was the energy? Y'all missed me? Yeah of course we did Did you miss me baby D? Of course I missed you No you didn't Yes I did No you didn't How you telling me who I missed? You ain't calling me That don't mean I ain't miss you Maybe I just wasn't ready to talk Damn Like the rest of them niggas Welcome back mom He didn't want to be too overbearing with his love Maybe I just wasn't ready to talk I didn't know I had a word yet You know what I'm saying I ain't had a word I ain't know what to say yet baby D That's all He went to chat GBT He got his words together And came up with I missed you. There's an epidemic of people doing that and it pisses me off. Doing what? Asking ChatGPT to send a text for them. That's crazy. It happens a lot. ChatGPT send a text for them? Yeah, like to word out like, oh, how should I text? But that could only work with a new person, I feel like. Like if I've been texting you for 10 years and all of a sudden now you sound like the most articulate human being ever, I'm going to know. Like, yeah. Like you don't, you don't form your thoughts this well. Yeah, you can't do that to me. You can't get that off of me. I know when you, I know when your homegirl's texting for you. Fact. See, that was the original chat to you. I know when your homegirl got your phone. I done said, Tasha, cut it out. Give her her phone back. You don't even know the word reciprocity. Yeah, like, yo, cut it out, man. Cut the shit. Like, give her her phone back. This ain't her. I already know. She's sitting right next to you crying. Like, give her her phone back. I be getting some shit off on my friend's phone. I know. Y'all do. All women have done that before. Nah, say this. Say this. What you mean say this Yo say nah Tell him this You give her her phone back Let me curse her out And then watch her stutter I only like I like doing it when they're like When they're talking to a new guy They'll hit me like Oh my god he said this Like what should I say And I give him some fly shit To say back I want to hear baby D's fly shit Okay But if a man did that How would you feel Like imagine Imagine we're getting To know each other And then you find out That first week Where I was saying All that fly shit You found out Amal was ghost writing for me Ew Yeah that's gross Yeah you may have ghost text Yeah there's double standards You can't ghost text For your homie Like don't do that My homie's like Yo nah shorty just hit me I'm like Hit her back What should I say What should I say She asked me what I'm on What should I say Alright so now She start feeling what you're saying You gonna let me hit If it's my bars I'm just saying If it's my bars Right or wrong Rory No you'll get your shit up You'll get your shit off If it's my bars That got it going And she ready for you To pull up I'm just saying I should be able to pull up That's all I'm not mad at that Especially because I have homeboys That if she was like Yo just got out the shower And I passed my phone They'd be like Yo type without me Question mark Like awful shit like that Without me is funny Yes I took a shower without you People still get that off Get it off Like it works Like in a sarcastic way right No I mean like They still say that Oh no It don't work It ain't working Like you might not ever hear from her again If you say that now No but I'm saying Are they saying it in a sarcastic way No Making fun of people that do that No people are still saying without me And they saying it multiple times It ain't just the shower It's I just went to dinner Without me Everything Yes without you Stop texting my phone Well that's just being funny though No they be dead ass I'm being serious They're being serious Without me going to dinner Without me is crazy Without me to dinner You ate without me That's insane I just got off work Without me Nah yeah I didn't take you To work with me though Yeah Yeah without me Yeah A huge attribute I like Is sharp and sarcastic girls It would crush me a little bit to find out that her homegirl was the funny one the whole time. Like, that's what was texting me. I would feel like... 100%. And if I find that out, I feel like me and your homegirl got more in common. Those are her bars. Those are her bars that I was digging. If everything you texted me was your homegirl, like her personality, her wordplay, I like her album. I want to play her album. I don't want to hear your album. Play her album. Give me her music. That's what I'm like. I like her. I'm going to her show. What time she go on stage? I don't want to see you no more. And don't let her look better than you. Don't let her be cuter than you. We just having real talk, baby D. If your girl is cuter than you and her boss is dope, why am I talking to you? Well, this is what separates men and women. What if she's way uglier than the girl? I think I'll just go with the physical approach and the boring personality. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sure, 100%. If she looks worse, then yeah. No, we still riding with you. I'll take the literate girl. Yeah, just give her publishing. Yeah, the one that don't know how to write, yo, give me her. She cute. She got a fatty. And we're back. Sponsored by Boots Mobile Unlimited. I don't know how to write. My God. I'm literally speechless. That really happens. I cannot believe y'all. We're joking around. No, you're not. I'm not. I'm going to start saying that. When you see we're joking, no, you're joking. You cut the line off. Segregation. Everyone in this room has slept with somebody that had a boring personality but was attracted. But you're not. 100%. You're not wifing somebody with a boring personality. Nah, can't do that. Boring personality, can't do that. Or if our wife can get a boring personality nine times out of 10, I'm cheating. So I'm just saying People don't talk about that People be like She's like What does she have on me baby She's like I look way better than her Yeah but you're boring She laughed that nigga Out his draws Yeah I'm just saying She makes me feel good Nothing like a pretty funny girl That's the best And the ones that watch What you watch Like the same show They into the same type of shit What they What the pretty funny girls Be into that you be watching on Curb If it's a cute girl That watch Curb I'm never leaving you I'm never leaving you I'm not leaving your home I'm never leaving here. Maybe we should copyright this. Why don't like the dating apps have more like filter options? Like why can't I click like curb should be something I should put on my tab. And I get all the girls that also clicked curb. To me, that would be an easier way to find somebody that you like and have the same interests is. Aside from just swiping right to titties on the phone. Yeah. I want to know where all the chicks that like curb in New York City are. And I should be able to like Select all the men who like The Office And get them out my algorithm I think that's fair too Get them out your algorithm Get all the things that you dislike You don't like The Office? She's crazy But What? What's your favorite show? I don't I'm not a big fan of comedy shows I'm more of a drama person But I also just don't think The Office is funny Okay so what's your favorite show? My favorite show is Grey's Anatomy R.I.P. Eric Day R.I.P. Eric Day I've left us twice Patrice O'Neal for The Office like if we're just going to go down this rabbit hole. RP Patrice O'Neal another legend. Legends. Not like in a show that has Steve Carell and Patrice O'Neal in it. It's kind of nuts to me. Yeah The Office is classic baby. I admit that it's a classic. It's just not for me. I respect that because we're going to get into some music that's maybe classic but it's just not. Well while you were gone we're just going to get into it. Damaris and I held it down. Peej I'm back Peej. What's up baby? You good? Alright then. Just wanted to make sure Peej was good. We covered the Monday topics, but we did leave one specific. What was the Monday topics? Run it down real quick. What did y'all talk about? What? You didn't listen to the episode? Baby D, what did you talk about Monday? Rory was really talking to me about a lot of rap. I really wish you were here. Yeah, we did a lot of the on-the-radar cypher stuff. See, that's the C, Baby D. When you leave him alone with women, that's what he... He started talking about rap. I know. You can't do that to Baby D. She don't want to talk about rap like that. I mean, that's all that was on the docket. You don't have to talk about the docket. Did you delete all this stuff from me? No, I don't know. how it's it is gone though but i didn't delete it it's all right don't worry about it yeah we talked about simba calling um the game his big homie even though the game tried to fuck his bae mom wait what wait did i have wi-fi in virginia the game tried to do what he tried to so simba was on uh all the smoke or up and smoke my bad um their podcasting was saying that game slid into his baby mother's dms and game is they're very close they work together a bunch of times they are close uh collaborators then he went on his own stream to clear up that when he was in his whole phase every time he would come to the studio he would bring another girl and be like yo game it's my queen it's my girl and game started to be like bro none of these chicks are you bring a new girl in here and say it's your girlfriend every time so he brought his baby mother in there who he's with yes and said the same thing so game assumed just off the pattern and that that was not his girl. But Simba said he posted her. He posted her. He posted her. And the moment he posted her, Game went and followed her. He didn't post the other ones. He posted her and then Game went and followed her and slid her again. No, it's nasty. It's nasty. That's nasty. That's nasty. But that's Game. Like, nah, nah, nah. But you can't call that your big home. That ain't your big homie. No, it's definitely not your big homie. Nah, that's nasty. Following your girl, as soon as I post her, he followed her and DM'd her? Yeah. Game, that's nasty. No, super nasty. That's nasty. Yo, that is so fucking crazy. You know, y'all don't understand how crazy that is. I said that. How much time did y'all spend on that topic? A good amount because Damaris went on and said that she's my big homie. And I said, that makes sense because you and Maul have moved just like game with me before. He bought up the situation with the wine with my birthday dinner. You know him. I showed him the Epstein files. I gave him the fouls. I'm not in there doing no crazy shit. But why is he still on that? Maybe Game just wanted to DM her and say congrats. No, no, no, no, no, no. That's crazy. That's wild as fuck. You not as much. That's JC on Damaris. We talked about it already, but yes, Maul, that's what we talked about. I wish you were here for that conversation because I know you would have been on my side. No, Game is wild for that. That's crazy. But all right. So Simba, because you can't just laugh that off. That ain't an LOL. well he said he called game and was like nah bro this really like my girl and games like oh word my bad wait but then he introduced her like that like when he brought her to the studio that's my baby mom but we talking about his baby mother she was i don't think she was his baby yeah i don't know she was his baby mother but he posted her he posted her he did the girlfriend reveal yeah and the game that's where it's nasty two days because even i think if he posted that's like yo it's stent that's yo this is my lady i think it's nasty without the posting like which we talked about in detail. Nah, you can't say that. You can't say that. It's nasty. If a dude posts a girl on his page, like, yo, this is Whitefield with a happy birthday to my queen. I don't know what the caption was when Simba posted it, but it would be clear that that's the girl, the lady he's with. That's his woman, right? I'm assuming that that's... I'm saying I think it's nasty. If I brought a girl in here and one of y'all DM'd her, I would find that nasty. So I don't... Without me... If she wasn't your girl? Yeah, if she's not my girl. Yeah, we've had these types of stuff. I think that's weird. You know. I don't want to sleep with any of the people that you've got to sleep with. If it's not your girl, it might be hunting season. Come on. If it's not your girl, it's a rental car. Oh, my God. That's not your car. But you've agreed with me a million times that we just, even though it's not foul, I don't want to sleep with the same women my friends sleep with. I just don't. You're right. While you're currently with her, nah, I'm not doing that. If I know you currently dating her, smashing, but I know that ain't your girl, you're just having fun with her, oh, no, that's you. That's your ball. but if you throw that ball over the fence and I just happen to be jogging in the same park if you roof it yeah if you roof that ball and I just happen to go I have access to that roof and I go up there like oh this is a nice ball you think I'm gonna maintenance key you think I'm not gonna bounce the ball like I'm gonna dribble the ball like you see a basketball in the park just laying there you're gonna dribble the ball yeah but if it's a pattern to me that's odd no if it's a pattern yes now I wanna ask like you wanna fuck me or something why you always go after me that's what it always turns that's why what game day he wanna taste you wait hold on He keep eating shorty pussy after you fucking want to say shit. Hold on. Hold on a second, Baby D. I don't like that. Just don't even see that in this atmosphere. Don't. Yeah. It's nasty. Well, yes. That's what we discussed on Monday amongst the On The Radar Freestyle rap shit. Yeah. It was a dry pussy episode. I'll tell you that much. You scared the women away. 100%. But we did want to save the Baby Keem Casino album review for when you got back. We did not touch upon that. I was hoping you saved that for me, man. I was hoping you saved that, Rory. I was hoping because you're my guy. You know you're my guy. And I assume why I wanted to because I knew you were going to come in here and you and I could both sit here and praise this Baby Keem album, Casino, which I absolutely love. And I love when we both agree and praise hip-hop together. Yes. So you say. Okay, Baby Dan, my bubble, right? In my zone. The zone that we on? That has no replay value. Zone, zone, zone. I'm just saying in my zone The replay value on that is very low So I'm gonna ask you why I'm gonna ask you why because they're gonna say that You're being biased because of whatever So I'm gonna ask you I'm gonna ask you why I can't just not like an album No you can't maybe but why don't you like it And someone that knows you I believe that you You dislike this album because you dislike it Not because of who he's signed to Affiliated with and at family reunions I'm just trying to make it clear I don't even think that. Welcomes the internet. Yeah. I know you don't dislike it because of that, but the world is going to assume that. That's why we want to know why you dislike it. The production is good. It's great. The production is good on the album. The bars don't hold up well to the production. See, that's where I disagree. I think Keem coming off my life. Are you giving a review of them? I'll give them mine. Oh, I thought we were having a discussion. No, we're not. Shut up. All right, so. Jesus. He went to Virginia and got sassy as fuck. No, I'm not saying. Just shut up. So the production is good. He definitely lost in Madden. The production is good. the bars is it's too it's too elementary for me I don't like his tonality I don't like the way he say shit I can't I'm a caveman boo boo what is that I can't I can't replay that you go New York I'm just saying I don't want to keep listening to that is all I'm saying I just that's just not for me the production the production on some of the records is hard but then he come in and rapping and it's like I can't I just don't like the way he says things like and I don't like he said I'm a rich nigga that got a broken phone. When you take it off the beat and just say it that way. That was a cadence. I know, but it doesn't have the sound that's surrounded. I'm like, bro, what are we talking about here? And why are you saying it like that? There's so many cooler ways you could have said you a rich nigga with a broke phone. Because niggas have said it before. So it's not like you said you created fire when you said that. Niggas have said that same type of bar before, but it sounds cooler. I just don't like the way he says shit. Like the production, cool. But like to me, this album ain't better than a lot of albums that we just got. And you were saying, he said, Rory said it, there's a lot of, it was a lot of anticipation on this project. He was saying he got it. I don't think he did. I don't think this holds up to some of the albums we got in the last year and a half. I don't think this is better than J.I.D.'s album. I don't think it's better than Wale's album. I don't think it's better than Cole's album. I don't think it's better than Conway's album. I don't think it's better than Chance the Rapper's album. I don't think it's fair to compare him to any of those people. Yes, I do. They're rappers. Other than Other than his peers They're rappers No no no J.I.D. is his peer The rest of the people Are not his peers Wale J. Cole Are not his peers They're definitely not his peers They're not his peers Because they're older than him J.I.D. is definitely his peers though J.I.D. is his peer Yeah Is Chance the rapper his peer? No Hell no Chance been in the game 15 years Like no Okay so y'all saying Because he's been in the game longer Alright I'm just talking about music Just the type of music The quality of music The replay value in the music I don't care about How old the nigga is Where he was born When he was born I don't care about that The music The listening experience To me this music Does not stand next to Any of that other music I just named It just doesn't I don't like the I don't like the raps Like the Like I said The production Is strong on some of the On the records But he just didn't live up To the production Like the Production outperformed him 80% of the album But Okay I know you're nitpicking On certain bars Which I know you're just using As an example To say overall His flow and how he says stuff But like You can't listen to I'm not a lyricist or Highway 95 Part 2 and like not see the lyrical ability and the content and substance that is in all of that. I think he's improved as a rapper times 10 since his last project. I thought he was rapping on this shit. Well, okay, that's you. We can watch the same movie. Those two specific records that were a bit deeper to his story. I thought that was cool. That storytelling rap, that's like very difficult. I don't know a lot of rappers that could do I'm Not a Lyricist or Highway 95 the way he did it, especially on the production that he did. Wait, what do you mean you don't know a lot of rappers that could do that? What are you talking about? His peer group. I don't know many- Who's his peer? Because this is your favorite word for the day, peer. Who's his peer? You brought peers up, baby. Yeah, not us. Okay, but who's his peers? Because y'all saying the niggas, I said ain't his peers. Who's his peers? Jid being one. All right, Jid can do that way better. Oh, Jid, no. Jid can definitely rap. Who else is his peer? Jid can rap. I think Keem would say Jid could rap better than him. So who's his other peer? Who would fall on that line? There's not many. He don't know. We have that conversation all the time, though, that there's not many people in that bracket of rapping in his age group. There's not many of them. That rap, the type of way that he's rapping. Like, I would say some of the people that were in the On The Radar cipher, but even them, I feel like, are... A tier below. Not tier below, just based on when they came out. Because Keem's been out for a little bit. I'm trying to think of that When was his last project? 2021 I don't know Yeah, that graduating class There isn't much So now this nigga graduated by herself Alright So what I'm saying is Some people are homeschooled So what I'm saying is The replay value in the music to me Nothing on this makes me want to go back And keep listening to this album And that's where we just I'm cool I can go back and listen to Wild A I can go back and listen to some of the J. Cole I can go back and listen to J.I.D. I can go back and listen to Conway I can go back and listen to Chance. Like this and just in the replay value. I'm not saying Baby Keem don't have skill. I'm not saying he doesn't have talent. I'm not saying that. I'm just saying when you give me your album and say this is my album and I listen to it, my reaction is it's not, I don't, nothing about this album. I ain't going to lie. I can't wait to get in the whip and turn this on. Oh, see, that's where we. It might not be for you. That's where we disagree. And that's fine. I'm only speaking from my listening experience. Nothing on this album will help me. So I'm like, damn, I ain't going to lie. I can't wait to turn that. I just don't. It doesn't live with me. This music doesn't live with me. I listen to this in the car and in headphones on the train. No security, casino, house money, sex appeal, circus, circus, freestyle, all go crazy in the car. Matter of fact, I think those are made for the car. What's the bars that got you replaying the music? That you're like, damn, I ain't going to lie. Oh, as far as the bars go, you know I'm more of a content substance guy. So bars wise, I go to I'm Not A Lyricist, Highway 95, No Blame. But what's the bar though That got you like Damn he got off I didn't write down My favorite bone We've never even done that For an album Like Gotcha That's not Okay See Can I name a bar Every time I get that off You've never done that Can I name a bar That made me turn it off I'm not gonna let you do that Because we do do that When new music comes out One of the first things We do is be like Yo when they said I felt that We do that all the time When he said I'm a caveman Boo hoo I ain't wanna listen to that again I'm being dead serious I did not want to listen to that I'm like When he says she got sex appeal Because she likes sex and pills I'm cool I'm just cool Alright then let's I'm just saying I'm cool Let's pull up every rapper's Full discography And see if there's worse things Than she got sex appeal Because she likes sex and pills There's probably nothing wrong with that That's not a bad bar To you Okay To you That's not a bad bar And that's fine Have you liked worse bars than that? I'm not challenging you You liked worse bars than that. I'm going to stick to our rule today, but I just want to admit that you like worse bars than that. To you, it might be a worse bar than that. I'm just saying. There's plenty of worse bars than that. That I've liked. But why are you challenging my listening experience? I'm not challenging yours. I'm just asking you what bars did you like that made you want to keep it to that. The entire I'm Not a Lyricist story, the entire Highway 95 part two story, like those entire records to me. Okay, so. Keem has to be fab. I have to find Hip Hop quotables In the source For everything that he says Listen No nobody's saying that You just said that Nobody else in here said that No You're asking which bars Not everything is A big L freestyle Nobody said it had to be I'm just saying What part of the music Made you want to be like Y'all can't wait To get in the joint And turn this on I literally You said We record this I'm not a lyricist I'm not a lyricist Highway 95 Those are the lyric records That I like But I said to get in the car I'm playing casino I'm playing house money I'm playing circus circus freestyle matter of fact the worst verse on this album is from Kendrick Lamar okay if we being real okay I like hearing your listening experience I'm not challenging you here bro I just want to know what you heard and what you felt when you turned this out and that's not trying to go viral or some crazy clip it even though I know Peej just clipped it and make sure you clip this part too I'm saying in defense of Keem's lyricism on here I think his big cousin, who's one of the greatest rappers of all time, had the worst verse on the album. I don't know. I not a caveman boohoo is kind of crazy Ma it so funny I just saying that bar is kind of crazy I couldn believe he said that I was like all right They was in the studio just doing anything. These niggas was in there having a jam, boy. Like, all right, fucking let it fly. I would have been like, man, if I'm the engineer, though, we can't do that. This production is way too tough. Like, what we doing here? We saying that? Nah. I enjoyed the album for what it was. What do that mean? Huh? What do that mean for what it was? I enjoyed it for what it was. So I can acknowledge that I think that Baby Keem has some talent, but I agree with a lot of what you said as far as the bars. I don't like the tonality and the voices in that. I've said that about other rappers. He's not the only one. So going along with that theme, it's not for me. I can, like you said, the production was hard. I can acknowledge why this might be for some people and some people might really like it. I don't think what he, I don't think his rapping on this album was the craziest rapping in the world, but it wasn't bad at all. I can acknowledge his talent, but I won't be going to revisit it that much. There's a couple songs on there that I like, but it won't be something that I'll play, repeat. And that's all I'm saying. The listening experience. I'm not going to cut this off. I'm not going to cut off Wale album to listen to Baby Keem album. I'm not going to cut off Chance album to listen to Baby. Whose album I'm going to like, shit, I enjoyed The Alchemist, Larry June, and Currency album more than this. I mean, I would never argue if something the listening, the music. Now, some people may feel like Keem rapped better than Currency and Larry June. I heard niggas say Larry June sound like he leaving voicemails. Cool. No, no, no. Listen, because if y'all going to say that about Larry, what do Keem sound like? If y'all going to say that about Larry June music, what does baby Keem sound like? I didn't say that, so I can't answer your question. I'm just saying. I've seen shit online. I've seen niggas saying, yo, he sound... All this shit. All right, but what does Keem sound like? Because I can't listen to that. He definitely sounds like his older cousin. He sounds very young too. He sounds like he has a very young voice. I just can't listen again. I recognize the talent level. I recognize the skill set in King. I'm not saying he's not talented. I just can't to read that music. I just, I'm not going to go back to that music. I just can't like, I don't know what I'm going to stop listening to, to play this album. Like I guess, no, I hear you and I would never argue that point on your taste and what you would want to listen to i guess the expectations of a lyricist when you're talking about people like wale and chance the rapper like i never in my brain would i put keem as a lyricist to chance and wale like that's that's so unfair no i get what you're saying keem even if uh the last interview that kendrick did he was like keem was making amazing beats like we didn't even really want to take him that seriously as a rapper everyone was rapping and he ended up getting better at it. He was a producer and song maker before he ever started rapping. That makes sense. See, I can hear that. He making records. But I think on this album, he actually really stepped up his lyrics in the songs that I mentioned. Like, I'm not a lyricist. I think he got to step up a little more. Okay. I think he got to, I think his music, I think the bars have to match the music a little more. I think they complimented the production very well. Okay. I wasn't looking for what Wale or Chance would have sounded on these beats. Neither Neither was I. I'm just saying, like, we only have so much time in a day to listen to music. It's 36 minutes. We get a lot of music. I'm not taking 36 minutes out of my day to play this album again. I could be listening to a whole bunch of other. We still got R&B. We still got Don Toliver to listen to. The album is phenomenal. We still got... We got Rocky. We got Cole. That Rocky album is still in rotation. It's just a bunch of people. Like, where does this go? Where do you say, all right, cool? Now it's time to throw that Keem one. But there's some people who, and I'm not saying they have bad music taste. There's some people who would throw this album on and never throw on A$AP Rocky. No, that's a fact. They wouldn't be able to get through A$AP Rocky. And those are people that I never want to be in the same room with. Well, to me, this Keem album, I enjoy the A$AP Rocky album far more. But I would put this more in the A$AP category than I would with a Chance or Wale album. Makes sense. This is way closer to the A$AP album. Okay. That makes sense. Way closer. I mean ASAP is ASAP so it's a different level does ASAP rap better than Keem yeah that's what I'm saying that's so unfair though he's 10 years older than him so where are we putting Keem at we not naming his Jid we know Jid is rapping Dr. Strange circles around this nigga I'm sorry you're really funny today I'm just saying we're being honest we know Jid is on a whole other thing Like when it comes to bars and music, like he ain't even, you know what I'm saying? So my thing is, where does Keem live in our lives as far as listening to music? He's in that weird limbo where there's a lot of talented rappers a little bit younger than him and then a bunch older than him. Like he said he graduated by himself. Yeah, he is kind of in a weird class. Okay. So my thing is, there's so much music that we have access to, right? Your music has to be able to break through all of that other great music. Does this music, does these bars break through that music? I think so. Where? You're saying music. I think musically it's a great out. But I'm saying who are you turning, who are you not listening to to listen to Baby King's album? As from this year? Yeah. I have enough time in the day while I'm doing things to play more than one album. I never. All right. Okay. I respect your bubble, though. Why are you looking around? I respect your bubble. That was a cop-out answer? I respect your bubble. I'd say anything. And your bubble, if you got room for Baby Keem for the, for the, uh. I definitely do. Not a caveman boohoo. Respect your bubble. No worries, Mal. Mal, finally, you have the most powerful iPhone of all time. It only took an entire year. 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Lil' Tech has been out for almost 12 years. And Big X the plug. Yeah, okay, this could be Keem Spears. And for those that don't know, we're talking about Spotify, Rap Caviar put up billboards in all these artist cities saying hip-hop needs new leaders. They put out this cryptic trailer saying who's going to be the next leader, this and that. All for reasons we don't really know. They just told us about a bunch of artists that we already know about. So I'm not sure what they're trying to do with this campaign. This is hip hop's new leaders according to Spotify? They're questioning. I don't see a question mark. No, literally the billboards were hip hop needs a new leader's question mark or some shit. Oh, so these are the names that they're putting in the conversation? yes and they they put billboards in each city for for the artists that they picked like baby keen they put a billboard in vegas glorilla memphis doji tampa central seat london and so on shout out to all of these artists for getting a billboard in their cities that's dope that's fire but now hip-hop needs new leaders they're not wrong same conversation hip-hop does need new leaders right i guess if you want to cool that's a cool little slogan i guess i made me want to go watch the trailer. I don't know. Sounds like a Batman movie. Gotham needs a hero. Yeah. Hero that we don't deserve. We know that type of shit. Of course. Who's Harvey Dent? Sexy Red? But then when you start putting these people on hip-hop needs new leader conversation, like, come on, bro. What are we talking about? I respect Sexy Red and all. I respect all the hustle to grind. I respect Dolce. I respect, but like... Really? Okay, tell me. Tell me. who don't you agree with who should be in that list that isn't then if we're going off the graduating peer class that we were just talking about don't say travis scott he's legacy yeah i don't know man if this is if this is the the bunch to pick from i we in a bad spot i i would love for jid to be in this conversation For sure. Yeah, but y'all say he's not a peer. He's not. No, I think he's King's peer. We said that. Oh, so then, yeah. So then Jib. I think Jib 100% should be in there. Yeah. Didn't he just get nominated for Rap Album of the Year? Yeah. Jib. And what city is Jib from again? He's from Atlanta. Atlanta. Okay. My thing is, and it pains my heart, and there's no disrespect to Lil Tecca, please let me know if I'm wrong. Does Lil Tecca belong in this list? That's who you went to, Lil Tecca? Yeah It's coming from Spotify I'm not saying Lil Tecca doesn't do billions of streams But every single artist on here Has Been extremely Extremely, extremely relevant For the last few years Rod Wave, I can understand He does arenas Yeah, I can understand Rod Wave Big S to Plug streams more than fucking prints at this point. So it's Sexy Red and Lil Tecca you got a problem with? I have no problem with Sexy Red. I was talking about I just don't know when you say hip hop. I just don't know if they belong. I don't know. Are you one of the people that believe that there's a difference between hip hop and rap? No, rap is a part of hip hop. Hip hop is hip hop is the whole is the building. The whole hip hop culture. No culture. No culture. Rap is a part of hip hop. Okay. Hey, I don't know, man. Listen, man, I'm sure all of these artists, I don't know what they do, what they monthly listens and all of that, what they numbers. I don't really care about numbers like that. I'm just going off the music and how the music sounds and the listening experience. And if I keep the replay value in the music, that's more so what I go to. Just being honest, I don't listen to a lot of these artists like that. I don't. Not when you have better artists dropping music. I'm just saying I just don't. It's coming from Spotify that when we joke around, why do they even do the Billboard Awards? We know the results. Spotify coming from Spotify, I don't think this is a bad list to be quite honest. They could probably make a case that Jid doesn't stream the way all these people do so he shouldn't be in our Spotify list. I just looked at Don Toliver, they have him classified as hip-hop rap. He needs to be on this list. If Rod Wave is on there, Don Toliver... Don Toliver needs to be on this list. What are we doing? That's a fair point. Don Toliver, y'all classify him as hip-hop rap. Okay, cool. Hip-hop needs new leaders. Cool. Don Toliver has a better album than any of these artists that are up here right now. Currently. That Octane album is better than anybody up here's album. I'm sure this campaign was before the album came out. I agree with you Okay his last two hours I agree with you If you put Rod Wave there then there's no reason Don Toliver shouldn't be there I love how much you advocate for Don Toliver That nigga is Don Toliver is fire That nigga is he's insanely talented Like I'm talking about live show Albums the replay Of value on his music like all of that shit Like I just don't if you're gonna make a Rap, caviar, hip hop needs new leaders Don Toliver's up there He has better music than 90% of this list right here. So you guys are saying that Don Tolliver and J.I.D. are missing on this? Yeah, if we're talking about hip-hop needs new leads, Don Tolliver, I'm sure he does crazy numbers. Stage show, incredible. Yeah, he's a new leader. If you're not looking for new leaders, Don Tolliver should be on this list. Okay. Octane is one of the best albums of the year so far. Without a doubt. I'm not mad at that. Does Cash Cobain maybe represent New York a little bit better with the last few years? I wouldn't be surprised if Lil Tecca had higher streams. Higher streams? Yeah. Again, I don't want to disrespect Lil Tecca. I'm just not... I don't follow that much. You're not familiar with his game? I am, but he's been out forever. Shit, I just started listening to Rod Wave. They sent me his... Rod Wave is a lot of... It's not on me, but I recognize the talent. If you would have shown me this list last year, I would have been lost. I'd have been like, bro, I understand Rod does arenas. He sells out shows. I get that. I know he has a huge following. I didn't just didn't tap into his music but now I have to listen to his music it makes sense to me like okay I get it I understand it but I mean even I I get I get the the campaign here but like what is the exact goal is this more label driven with Spotify that now we're gonna start that conversation with these names specifically because there's not anyone here that doesn't have a very big machine behind them that also has stock in Spotify like that's where I'm not sure what the point of this campaign was because I saw some people saying oh there's going to be a voting thing on Spotify where you could vote who's going to be the new leader of hip-hop but what does that really solve at the end of the day it's well I mean it's marketing for for Spotify it's from rap it's for rap caviar which is the fucking playlist of course which they're going to send everybody to like it's it's just rap caviar's budget I'm not mad it just feels like a a lazy boardroom campaign. It just doesn't feel that creative to me at all that you're just throwing the names that everyone knows up on a billboard. But not every, but not everybody knows the names. And I think sometimes we speak from a place where we're a hip hop podcast and we're very tapped into certain shit. Artists can be big, but not everybody knows these people. I mean, Rap Cabaret, you would say is the biggest hip hop playlist in the world. Yes, it would be. But it doesn't mean that everybody knows these names hence the advertising for both the artists and rap caviar uh yeah i mean listen we're talking about it um complex that put a put up an article and actually picked a lot of great tweets in reply to this entire campaign because it did confuse a lot of people um my guy z founder of uh audio mac who's one of the best follows on twitter said the old superstar era is over your spotify you should understand this uh our fragment media landscape makes reaching the level of artists you mentioned impossible um dan i'm not even gonna try to pronounce your last name this is rap's nba face of the league debate similar dynamic the 2000s and 2010s stars are still the biggest it's not because of the talent it's because how fragmented media is no that's the talent too and that's where i hate when they try to throw that in there no it's the talent it's the talent it's the talent bro like we're not doing that it's the talent it's the lack of talent. The NBA is suffering right now because a lot of these niggas, all they want to do is shoot threes. And have kids. And it's the lack of talent. It's just the lack of talent. Let's be real. Music is lacking talent right now. Oh, I mean, I agree. But I don't even understand because Z, I respect his opinion so much. I don't know where this is really falling on media per se. Why would media be responsible for that? When on top of that i consider rap caviar doing this almost media it's advertising in media you're putting a list together for people to talk about of young artists so yeah don't blame this on media like i just i just watched what gabe p just did like i don't know where media falls on that maybe spotify does because playlisting is such a big part of how music is put in front of the average consumer, media is not so much that anymore in all phases of media. So are they blaming us for not reporting on the people with real talent? Here's the thing. Before streaming, you had the blogs and iTunes where the labels shunned the blogs until it was too late and they had to work with them. Media was doing its job for discovery. then you guys created streaming because you guys wanted to control the discovery where media could no longer do that yes some of us have some power to mention an artist and it will do okay for them but even media has so many different pockets of fans that if we say we like somebody it only goes to a certain group if platforms way bigger than us say somebody's name it only goes to a certain group you guys are controlling the discovery now the fuck does media have to do with this you guys changed the game and these are people that are anti-label that are saying this which is why it's blowing my mind you made it so discovery can only come from you guys you control discovery now you control the algorithms there's no more soundcloud rabbit hole there's no more fun blogs uh the shit that is even in the algorithm we do on media only goes to the bullshit when you throw it out there. Yeah, this ain't no... Whose fault is this? This ain't no media. I don't care how fragmented media it is. This shit is bigger than Nino Brown. This ain't media. This is the lack of talent. And I get it. These are certain names and artists that I guess, you know, have like words that has a machine behind them and they're trying to push. I get that. But we seen a lot of niggas that y'all thought was the new leaders and was the new this and the new that and da, da, da. And then tours get canceled. But that doesn't mean That's exactly what that means Niggas ain't paying to come see you That means you ain't hot But you can be talented and not be hot That happens True True You can be You can be hot But you can be hot and not be talented But niggas ain't paying to come see you though Niggas stream some shit And listen to it in the crib Like oh that song was cool Yeah alright cool Yo Pay this money And then get dressed And then drive to the arena I'm not doing all that Live show is not dope Not spending money to watch you walk Back and forth on stage Like no I'm not doing that the music is not that dope I'd like to see them do a list Like this for R&B I would be interested We know who the new leaders of R&B are Who are the new leaders of R&B in your opinion Mariah the Scientist Mariah the Scientist Mariah the Scientist There's no need to be funny Maul who do you think are the new leaders Leon obviously I feel like there's another album that just came out that was the, oh Brent Okay Like Mariah Okay But if we're going off this time frame, is Brent involved in that? And I didn't mean to cut you off, I just don't know if Brent's in that timeline Brent has been out since 20 How long has Lil Tech been out? That's why he's the only one on that list that I feel like I mean, Dolce had a bunch of mixtapes before but she's now just hit her stride. She's been out for years too though. She's been releasing music for years. But I'm always fine with new artists when they release their first actual project and start to hit their stride. If they had 30 mixtapes and we never heard them, I don't consider them like, well, yo, they were in their mom's basement 15 years ago making music. So they can't be, I don't look at it that way. I look at it more when you start to catch your stride. I like Sailor. Love her. I think she's dope. Okay. You think Sailor would be a leader in R&B? Looking at this list, yes Her album was crazy The last project she just put out was Fire Okay And she's on tour with Doja Yes, yes I would definitely put Sailor up here, yes Why not? Let's argue I mean, then does Daniel Caesar fall in this? I just don't know the time frame we're going with Daniel Caesar would not fall in that Okay Yeah like yeah We gotta get Peach and Mike Peach said you could be 10 years in And not be a leader And become a leader I'm sorry Yeah So yeah Sailor, Leon, Brent R&B Kehlani unfortunately But Kehlani has been out since I was in college I know that I mean she just had one of the biggest songs I was about to say, according to a lot of people, they would say, Kehlani included, they would say that she's just now hitting her stride to the mask. No, that's not the way I'm saying it with Dochi, where there was mixtapes that people had not heard. And then she was really introduced to the world. Kehlani has had hit records. I agree. Number one albums. Yeah. Did Folded put her in a crazy- What's my leader, though? New leader. Has she ever led R&B? No. She's never led R&B. So let's put her in a conversation. A list there. Let's put her on in a conversation of new leaders of R&B. Okay. Well, then I changed the rap one drastically. Yeah. You keep trying to say, yo, what year he was born? You worried about what year he was born? No, I'm talking about when they came out. Like, what year he was born? Yeah, but that don't mean they was ever a leader, though. Now they're making consistent great music, consistent great songs. They're getting dope features. Like, now they're becoming in that conversation of, okay, he's leading the pack or she's leading the pack now. Okay, so then is Freddie Gibbs not in the rap conversation if we're going off that criteria? I'm not mad at that. But that nuts to me Because he has had records Of course he has But was he ever considered one of the leaders of rap of hip hop No It can get me Then I don't even understand the campaign. New leaders. New leaders. Who are the old leaders? You're saying Drake, Kendrick, and Cole have had it for 10 years. All right. New leaders. The Clips have had hit records, great albums. But last year, they led hip hop. I think it's the first time the Clips ever led hip hop. Are the Clips the new leaders? That's not the first time the clips That's the first time the clips have led hip hop We're far away from each other Okay it's fine I can hear you I can hear you You know you got a mic right in front of you He been yelling all episode I don't know what's wrong with him Whenever Keem drop that's how you start acting As soon as Keem drop He turn into a whole new dude I do want to give a shout out to when it comes to R&B new leaders up and coming I do want to give a shout out to J Don he's a young boy he can like he's like he makes the type of music that I would have liked back when I was in high school he reminds me of like you know the old Chris Brown the old J Don yeah J Don is that the tall yes tall with the braids that he dance uh huh his music is good I call him the R&B Wimby I like him he's like R&B Wimbyama look what you call people he too tall to be moving like that sit down see that's not fair cause y'all niggas don't say that about Chris Brown big ass. Chris Brown, you know how tall this kid is? He's way taller than Chris. Now I gotta look it up. He's way taller than Chris Brown. Nobody thinks Chris Brown and Wemby are close to each other. Like, this dude is like 6'6". While you look that up, someone else did bring up a good point since we're back to the rap part of this. A lot of the next up or new leaders died. Mac Miller, Tentacion, Juice WRLD, Nipsey, Pop Smoke. Takeoff was already part of one of the greatest hip-hop groups of all time. This list right here, they were all on their way. They had the trajectory of becoming the next. They were on pace, yeah. Mack for sure, Tentacion for sure, Juice WRLD for sure, Nipsey, Pops, yeah, like, yeah, I thought that was a great and unfortunate point. Very true. To circle back though, J-Don is 6'5", Maul, you right? I know I'm right. I've seen that thing on stage with some slacks on one day. He starts spinning. I said, man, this tall nigga gotta sit down, man. Don't do that. He makes nice innocent 30 kids. No, he's talented, but that's like bro, you, fam, how are you that tall and can dance like that? That shit just, it's crazy. Looks like if you go to the club and the fucking shooting guard from the Knicks, like if Josh Hart just started dancing. Sit your tall ass, you way too tall for that, bro. You can't be in here knowing moves and having rhythm at 6'5", 6'6". Like, sit down. He only four inches taller than Chris Murrell. Nigga, you stand a 6'5 dude next to a 6'1 dude to see the difference. A huge difference. Without a doubt. We would say that Breakfast Club is probably one of the bigger platforms that's existed in the last however many years, right? Mm-hmm. And just in your own brain, think of the biggest platforms ever. If somebody does an interview with any of those platforms, do you think their streams go up the same way if they're placed on every single playlist in their genre and made the face of that playlist? No. No. So please leave media alone. Yeah. We're fragmented. Please leave media. Fragmented media. Is there a bunch of bullshit media out here? Absolutely. But how this is set up, we don't make or break shit. Y'all took over Discovery. I don't want to hear this shit again. This is what I love about it. See, this I love music conversations because we all get to kind of see what everybody likes, what their opinion is, like what you be listening to. I think it's room for everybody. I just think that the talent level is sometimes, you know, we got to stop acting like the talent level is high because it's really not. It's a lot of people that we listen to and we only listen to them because it ain't shit else really to listen to unless we go find somebody that we like that the rap caviar is not putting on playlists and that the blogs are not talking about or that's not heavy in the algorithm. But we like we found this kid like, yo, this shit is dope. So you get these lists and it's like, I don't listen to a lot of these people on this list. Now they on a rap caviar billboard in different cities. Cool. That's great. Me personally, I still do not listen to 90% of these artists. That could be an age thing as well. They would say that. Age or not. I just don't think that, because it could be a kid that was 19, but if he rapping his ass off and his bars is crazy, I'm listening to him. So it's not the age difference. If the talent is like, yo, what is this? I don't even understand. But what you look at as talent is different from people that are younger than you. That's why. But that's why I said I like these conversations because you might hear something and be like, this is incredible. And I might look at you like How do you think this is incredible music But to you it's incredible Which is fine And I'm learning that Like if you like something That don't mean I gotta like it because you like it Or get mad because I don't like it It's just a different experience You enjoyed what you heard But I experienced that with older people With my like Rory brought up my obsession with Mariah the Scientist But I experienced that Because older people Or other people who are really big into Back in the day R&B used to be all about the vocals Right So you can hear an artist and be like, she can't fucking sing. How do you listen to that? It's like, I'm not listening for that. So what you are looking at as talent when it comes to vocals, I'm not even checking for that. I'm over here paying attention to what the fuck she's saying. Yeah, but then you'll still get cool. And that's, I understand that. But you can have a Mariah the Scientist, right? Cool. Like her songs, the way she write, you know, it's very cool. But then if I put Jasmine Sullivan next to that, and like this is an R&B artist too, it's a clear difference in the talent is what I'm saying. But that's the age gap to me because I think the kids that pack out arenas for Rod Wave are not there for his vocal ability nor care about it. They care about his mental health lyrics like that's they're obsessed over what he's saying. And cool. He built that audience. So which is like Big X to plug just fucking numbers. I'm not in great. The youth loves Central Sea in all of Europe. Like I think all the kids that are in their 20s are in the moment they get in their car. They're putting on Central Sea. Great But then I can also Pop pop pop Also at the same time Mine's not hot I can go to an arena Put on your jacket Jay Cole sold it out I can go to an arena And see that Kendrick sold it out Well they've Still wrapped It's just different It's just different talent levels Yeah but they've also Been in the game for so long They've built a Crazy loyal Yeah but it's a lot of niggas That've been in the game That was on that freshman cover With Kendrick and Jay Cole We don't know where Them niggas is at So don't say it's the age Well let's go look at that Freshman cover Because I think that was A pretty good freshman cover But I hear you I give these younger artists like Rod Wave even more credit because to get their fan base, which is younger kids that stay in the house, to pack out an arena takes something. Yeah, for sure. Like when I was coming up, we were all outside, we'd buy tickets. It's so hard to pack out an arena, especially with kids that literally sit on fucking Fortnite all day. For sure, for sure. That takes a different level of obsession. For sure. Those kids have social anxiety. They end up walking outside. So I hear you on that, But the impact is clearly there with all of these artists. It's there. Yeah. Is it? Go to a Rod Wave show, bro. No, we know Rod. I understand that. I'm saying the rest of the artists on that list. Impact, yes. I think they have different types of it. I don't think every artist here obviously packs out an arena. Oh, it's fragmented impact. I got it. Look how fast we found fragmented impact. Before we get into that word fragmented, we also have to remember the audience is fragmented maybe not media yes the world is fragmented the country is fragmented when we first when we first started podcasting it was mostly music fans that were listening to us so when we did say an artist that nobody had heard of yes it spiked up and their name got out there based off media but now podcasting in my opinion is a majority podcast and content fans not music fans so don't say we're fragmented when the audience is fragmented. They're not music fans. We're a music podcast that probably speaks to mostly people that don't listen to music like that in their car. How much impact can I have? But at the same time, then we get what's the guy, our guy name that was on at the show. He got mad because half the audience was only there to hear that one song that was going crazy on TikTok. Steven. Steve Lacey. Talented, right? Pac show. They only there to hear one song. That's the audience fragmented. Not us. Yeah, so that's what I'm saying. So yeah, the impact cool. The impact could be off of one song. That don't mean the rest of the catalog is fire or that the audience that is at your show feels like the rest of your catalog is... They're here for the one song. Not in Steve's case, but I hear you. Not in Steve's case, but I'm just saying he got mad at that because it's like, bro, I got a whole bunch of other dope shit that y'all only hear to hear something that's going crazy on TikTok right now. An artist would get mad at that because it's like, yo, my whole catalog, I got fire in my catalog. But I'm just saying. So if you're going to say media is fragmented, the listening experience is fragmented at that point. Yeah. Because even right now, we would all in this room agree that TI and 50 have some of our favorite discographies of our lives. Who's paying attention right now to this beef? Content fans or music fans? Content fans. Don't nobody want here. Neither one of them niggas rap. Nah, because I'm a music fan. They're here for conflict. I'm a music fan, but I'm going to definitely just tap in and see what they're saying about each other. Oh, no, of course. But music fans, we also like conflict between artists, but we also like the music. I think a majority of people that are tapped into this that have never been a TI fan or a 50 fan like that before. The younger kids are here for conflict. That's not a music fan. Yeah. But as music fans, we like conflict. They just like conflict. Okay. I don't think the fans are tapped in that much on this TI 50 shit to like see who's really going to out rap each other. No, it's just funny. No, Warrior Mouth. Today's show is brought to you by our presenting sponsor, Hard Rock Bet, which Mouth, I don't even need to tell you, is Florida's sportsbook. You knew that already. I know it's tough. There's no more football. The big game has passed. 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Listen to DJ Hester-Krin's Music is Therapy on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What do y'all think about the diss tracks That have dropped T.I.'s Well now Let's just say T.I.'s diss track Because King just threw a shot Threw a shot is funny King just threw a shot Guys Yo he got bigger fish to fry He focused on his music career He just threw a little something in there He's focused on his album right now I hope he diss you You keep throwing That's a diss record Does King make me like that if he does that's funny isn't the other son the uh what's his name damani damani yeah he's like no he's no he could like yeah that's the artist okay yeah but king is king is a content creator yeah king his brother is an artist this is a perfect example his brother is an artist catching the moment king is a content creator that happens to sometimes make music that's why I say it's a diss record. He's never making that song unless it was to throw in the bars at 50 Cent. You think that that whole entire song and video and everything got done within three days? Yep. What do you think that is? New York State of Mind? That shit could get done in six hours. How many shoe locations did they have? It's outside a hotel. Yeah, like, yeah, that shit that shit, that's how it goes now. Shoot the video, I gotta record a song tonight, shoot the video tomorrow. Which is fine But I think that It was probably a song That he was already working on And then he I'm not gonna shoot that down That might be the case That might be the case But it's Anything He's trying to capitalize Off the moment Oh for sure For sure He's trying to capitalize Off the moment See y'all too though The fact that y'all think King walked in the studio And told his engineer Yo pull up that record I was working on I got bars I got some bars for fifth That never happened So then you're actually Giving King more credit Because the song isn't, it might not be for us and what we like, but the song isn't bad. No, me and Peej were sitting here like, this isn't terrible. Yeah, it's not bad. So if he wrote it in a day, if he wrote it in two days and shot the video in two days, I'm not mad at him. You got a little bit of talent because that's not bad. That's better than what a lot of these fucking younger rappers and his demographic are putting out. So I'm not. His shit only hit him when Damani put his pen to it. Young Mani was definitely in the studio. He said only hitting when Damani put his pin to it. Like, we know that already. What do you think about T.I.'s diss track? The first listen I said, this is definitely not getting it done. I don't love it. I like it a little bit better as it plays, but it's not getting it done. But with all that said, 50, you still on the clock. If 50 does not reply. Man, y'all think, reply how? You think 50 going to rap? Man, 50 think y'all niggas, 50 think any nigga that's. because T.I.'s only, what, 46, 45? All right, so T.I. still got. But definitely, if you over 48, 49, and you still rapping or dissing, 50 is laughing at you, especially if you making music dissing him. He's not getting in the booth. No. 50 is not writing new bars for none of these rappers. He's not doing that. Like, I don't know why people are saying you on the clock. 50 is not rapping with none of y'all. He's not doing that. Wait, wait, wait. He's in a hole. I cut you off because of her. What? I never said that I think 50 Cent is going to reply. You still on the fucking clock. You're still a rapper. He's not on the clock. Nah, but he's not rapping. Because you seem to think that every time anybody disses anybody that they have to respond. And sometimes some shit is not worth the rules. I just respect them. 50 going to respond. He's just not getting in the booth, though. He's not doing that. 50 is not rapping. He's not right. And he doesn't have to. I think 50 going to sit down, write some balls, aim that T.I. No, no one thinks that. He's in a whole different space in his life right now. I don't think that either. But I'm saying if somebody raps, you can't just post fucking memes. Yes, you can. And it doesn't make you any less of a rapper and nobody can take a notch off your boat. But that's the game he's playing though. He's not rapping. 50 is not recording new music. Well, no, he just actually put out a new record like a couple months ago. But he's not jumping in a rap battle before. He's not doing it. Also, T.I. has like music. Like, T.I. is restarting his rap career. We can see what this is. Capitalize off the momentum. Which is fine. I'm not mad at it. Which is fine, but 50's not going to do, like, and he shouldn't. And 50 knows that. 50 know with T.I., like, oh, okay. Just momentum for him, for him to get some traction on his music. Like, okay, cool. I don't think 50 is going to engage in that and help that in any way. Like, no. How do y'all feel about T.I.? Y'all are so inconsistent with that. Now we're inconsistent. Anybody else you would say they have to rap? No, they don't. You are consistent with that. No, if 50 was still putting out albums and dropping singles, then of course I would say that. He's not doing that, though. He's not in that space anymore. How long has it been since 50 has recorded, even though he just put something out? He just put something out. But that was a verse or a song or whatever it was. But what is that for? Is it for a 50 album that's coming? I don't know. This is what I'm saying. We don't even know what that is. Is that a feature for somebody else? I don't even know what that is. I feel like they're just too old. I feel like at some point you're too old for some shit. How old is 50? Is 50 50? I'm looking it up right now. You might be over 50. Because if 50 is over 50, then come on, bro. He's 50. 50 is 50. 50 is 50. Okay. It's magic numbers. I don't want to hear. And TI is 45. If he's going to reply. I don't want to hear. If you 50, I don't want to hear you writing battle raps, bro. Why? I don't want to hear that. Hearing that 50 cent is 50 is just. I mean, he was like 29 when he came out. I get it. But it's just, it's like. You really too old for this shit. His rap beef and day should be over. You really, it's all the shit he's doing. He done did it with the best of them, bro. Like, he can't get. Okay, but to me, with this whole thing, I think it's better if a 50-year-old who's a rapper raps back at another elder statesman that rapped instead of trolling on Instagram like a fucking teenager. Oh, no, I don't think he should be doing either. I think it's way better for a 50-year-old to be rapping than to be on IGN. But 50 has always been a troll. And I'm fine with 50 trolling. I think it's funny. And this is the conversation that me and Rory were having. Yes, he's always been a troll, But at some point We just gonna keep saying 50 a troll Or we gonna be like He old as fuck He's It can be both now He's 50 and he's still a troll He's adapting to marketing He's a 50 year old troll 50 came into the game Trolling niggas How to rob an industry nigga That's trolling Facts That's All of that is trolling shit So I just don't understand Why he's still the same guy he was But because he's in a different space As far as creativity He's not entertaining He's not doing music Like he's a legacy act He's going on world tours performance shit that he put out years ago. He's not going on the World Tour and then coming up to us saying, yo, new album dropping next week. He not doing that. He gonna give us a new show next month. He gonna sign a new deal with a new network and create new movies. He's in that space. He's not in the music business like that no more. 50 is not doing that. If he's in the music business, it's off his old catalog. It's off of shit that he's already put out. Can we do a hypothetical? Of course. Okay. Erase the history of Nas and Jay-Z. erase erase it erase that they had a beef already erase that entire thing okay let's say Nas as active as he's been let's say for some in some weird world Jay-Z and Nas are active on Instagram and start going back and forth and then Nas starts rapping do we not look at Hov who has not he's been chilling since the God did verse that Jay's not supposed to reply yeah but is he a troll is Jay just like on just known as a troll is it the same no it's a back and forth between to rap. It's a terrible hypothetical because those two niggas would never do that. That's what the definition of a hypothetical is. But no, that's not the definition of a hypothetical because a hypothetical has to, potentially this could happen. It hasn't, but potentially this could happen. That would never happen. So you would look at Jay. So if Jay didn't respond, yes, you would look at him differently. Also, no, if Nas went and started trolling Jay-Z or they started arguing and he rapped, y'all would judge Nas because that's so out of Nas's character because Nas doesn't do lame shit. So that's why that's a bad hypothetical. Jay-Z would look at that and not respond to that because it's like, nigga, what the fuck are you doing? We're 50 something years old. Nobody would sit up there and be like, nah, Jay, you on a clock. Nas came at you. No, they wouldn't. Both TI and 50 were going back and forth on the internet together. I'm saying in this hypothetical, using those two rappers that would be going back and forth on the internet. Hypothetical doesn't need to be true. That's kind of the point of hypothetical. I don't think Nas and Jay-Z will ever go back and forth on the internet. I'm saying Nas being an active rapper right now, if he had a tussle on Instagram back and forth and decided to rap as a reply instead of posting a meme, I think the other rapper needs to reply. You've entered the realm of a back and forth and we both rap and I just rapped. I just think it's as simple as 50 understands what T.I. is trying to do. Of course. Putting out new music, he's trying to gain momentum, capitalize off that. I just think 50 is like, nigga, I'm not giving you marketing right now. I'm not doing that. I think that's where 50 is at. I think he going to let T.I. drop because he's got a new album coming, right? It appears that way. I mean, he has a great single out. I think he going to fall back. He going to let T.I. drop and anticipate T.I.'s numbers not being good. And then he's going to start trolling again. I couldn't agree more. It's just that simple. I don't think it's like I'm breaking the ice. This is what 50 is doing. He's like, bro, all right, cool. Same with Fab and all of them. When they just dissed 50, niggas thought 50 was getting back in the booth to go at Fab. No, I didn't think that. But I still think Fab had a crazy verse at 50. He did. We know Fab could rap his ass off. Jim had a dope song, Mayno. We know that. I knew the whole time when they was like, yeah, nah, Fifth gonna have to. Y'all think 50 is booking studio time to write balls directed at Jim Jones, Fab, and Mayno? So there's a difference between thinking somebody's gonna do something and thinking they should do something. But I mean, like, what does 50 lose if he don't? He don't lose shit. Doesn't take nothing away from him. Why I also don't think that 50 is doing that because I agree with you guys. I just think in the definition of how this shit has been going forever, he's on the clock. But with that said, 50 has only gotten in beefs because it was going to benefit his career. Diss and Fab, Jim Jones, T.I., etc. That's no disrespect to them. It just doesn't help 50's career because he's not in the hip hop world anymore. That's what I'm saying. It does nothing for 50. He had no issue with Kanye West. Him and Kanye going head to head was a great marketing scheme. because at the time 50 was a megastar and so was Kanye it was the two juggernauts like oh we releasing the same day I bet him him going at Fat Joe and Jada after they did the record with Ja Rule yes that made sense because it was going to heighten his career at that time the beef made sense for marketing the Ja Rule shit he was trying to get on he ain't no real real issue with Ja Rule until a certain point like I'm just trying to get on that's the most popular rapper in my neighborhood Like this is a strategy. So that's why I know he's not going to do it. Cause I think 50s viewed rat beef, just rat beef, a way as if it does not benefit my career, I'm never going to do it. There been plenty of people that took shots at 50 that he never replied to Cause it like no you don what does this even do for me Right Like the game shit was he just left the label This benefits my career if I keep beefing with him And on top of that, I own his catalog. So I want him to be as hot as possible. Like I own the doctor's advocate. 50 was walking around with a doctor's advocate promo tea. If it doesn't benefit his business, he's not doing it. Of course. Like that's just that simple. I don't think he's going to do it. And at this point in his life, that's what he's supposed to be doing. If it's not beneficial to me business-wise, if it's not doing nothing for me in my business, why am I even engaging in this? But that's only when it comes to rap because when it comes to trolling, even though it might not benefit his business, he still does it. He does it and then hashtags whatever brand he's working on at the time. His cognac. Anybody paying attention to them hashtag Branson's at the end of that? You don't know that. We don't know how many cases he move in each tweet. Each tweet. I ain't checking how many cases has moved each tweet. Let's not act like amazing businessmen like Hov get a company hot for a few months based off what they're doing and then sell the shit at the highest point and move on. I didn't plan on owning this company for a while. He got a whole studio, a film lot he building in Baton Rouge. Yeah. Like he playing that game, man. 50 going over there, creating shows and he's not paying attention. I think 50 is laughing at anybody that is his age or his peers that are still trying to make money off rap. I think that's what it is I think he's like Yo y'all still rapping Ain't no money in this shit None of you niggas Is going on tour How do you feel about T.I. trying to come back With the album After the comedy thing Cause I had a conversation With somebody Who was just kinda like Is given Empty nest syndrome Like midlife crisis Like what the fuck Are you doing Because you can't be a rapper And be funny You gonna have to pick one Cause we ain't gonna Take you serious On one of them Mad rappers are funny I don't know if I'm putting Mad in front of rappers Are funny Yeah I don't know They might be naturally funny they're not trying to be comedians oh no i agree there um i think that's that's unfair ti's been actively right he's not one of those rappers that took a huge break i mean yeah there's some some gaps there when he got a little bit older but he ti's been pretty active even when i considered him a legacy act he had a number one record with young thug like ti's kept a hit ti's always been active i think that's unfair to do to to the older artists like yeah nobody thinks Bruce Springsteen's having a midlife crisis. Like, I just, I think that's unfair. Bruce Springsteen's past his midlife. Nigga, late life crisis. Okay, I'm saying when he was T.I.'s age. Like, the B Street Band was still... When he was T.I.'s age, he was selling out the fucking garden for a month. Like, what are you talking about? I know, a giant stadium. Yeah, like, are you kidding me? Like, that wasn't a crisis. But no, but still making music, like, again, we've talked about this plenty of times. Rap is the only genre that frowns upon older artists continuing their career outside of what we've seen Hov, Nas, etc. do. Listen, I tell y'all all the time. Rappers don't retire, we know. No, not that rappers don't retire. Once you start making movies and films as a rapper, there is no coming back. Nas gave us belly and got the fuck out of Hollywood. And belly was like low key. That could have just been like a long rap video. That was honestly, it was a Tubi movie. Yeah, like that shit wasn't like, but once you start really like, yo, once you really start jumping into like TV and film, you can't come back to rap. Okay, fair. But I feel like T.I. had the young thug about the money record. And I think he had been in Takers at that point in ATL. And like T.I. did ATL and had a very successful rap career after a major motion film. True. He's one of the few that has stayed consistent after doing big movies True What I'm saying is when you go into TV and film As a rapper It is very hard to come back and people take you serious in music It's just tough I think T.I. is probably one of the very few Outside of like the fun state properties and like shit like that Like real actual movies T.I. is one of the few he stayed consistent after oh yeah Ludacris is a if a Ludacris album drop tomorrow what? Niggas is not running to the lude Ryan's 23 he said he knows T.I. as an actor not even as a rapper 23 years old ATL was 06 T.I. had a great rap career after that and I thought that was a great film but again ATL is similar to Paid and Fool and Belly it's still rap, it's still Atlanta it's still it's kind of it's not too far away from yeah but even that that's when it started to a list yeah but that's when it started to get a little like oh ti is really sure acting and i'm not saying that um whatever see this is where my point does fail the all about the money record young thug i can't really tell you what else is on that ti album but that was a very very big record but before that ti was still acting and i thought i had big ones he's one of the few i think that's going to change though i think with that era that happens but these kids jack harlow is doing fucking movies with with ben aflack and matt damon like times are changing i think we're going to see more of that where rappers are going to have to also do movies in the peak of their career yeah i don't want to see jack harlow acting though he wasn't bad i mean he he wasn't in the movie that long but he wasn't terrible you didn't see white men can't john oh no i've refused to You didn't watch that. I saw him in Dave. Okay. And that's more. The white man can't jump too? I know. I refuse. Once you show me them in the gym playing ball, I'm like, this ain't even white men can't jump no more. They people playing in the gym? Like, what is this shit? I refuse it. Well, I mean, listen, man, Will Smith had a great freestyle on Lyrical Lemonade after his movie career. You thought that was hard. Y'all really got mad at me that I came in and trashed that shit. You cut that. You cut it off. You cut it off. Oh, man. See, y'all don't never put the gold out. Y'all always want to tuck the gold. Yo, can we put that on Patreon? Like, y'all want to tuck the gold, bro. We should put the lyrical lemonade Will Smith mall rant on Patreon. Y'all was sitting here like, nah, Will don't know if he want to do this. Why is he doing this? Nobody wants to see Will Smith rapping. Midlife Crisis. Y'all are crazy, man. Do we have voicemails? Sponsored by Boost Mobile Unlimited. Talk, text, and data. You've got mail. Peace, Rory, Amal, Damaris, everybody in the studio. I'm a day one listener, long time listener, fuck with y'all, all that stuff. The question I have today, it's not necessarily a Valentine's Day question. It's more of a romantic relationship question, but I still think it might apply to what you're trying to discuss today. I am an emotional ass, monogamous ass nigga who got married at 25. I'm 33 now. I'm about a decade in. And I'm wondering, like, when do y'all think that the hall pass conversation should come up? Or if it should ever come up, you know? I'm about a decade in. As the monogamous emotional nigga that I am I don't really feel like I need one right now But 5, 10, 15, 20 years in the future I might think about it, you know So what do y'all think about how that conversation should go down Like what location, when it should happen Yeah, I'm interested in hearing y'all thoughts Not location First of all, I like that I like the fact that he's saying like he ain't thinking about it right now Nigga, you thinking about it right now You're whispering in your bathroom Recording this so your wife doesn't hear it Yeah, like you're thinking about a whole pass. You want a whole pass tomorrow. I don't think you're emotional and monogamous because one, you repeated it twice. I think you're manipulative. Oh, Jesus. Okay, well. Why are you telling me? Why are you being honest with you? You're calling a manipulative. I think, I don't know if whole passes are good. I don't think so. It's never good knowing your partner slept with somebody. Like, I don't care if it was like talked about beforehand. And it's like It's just not That's not a good feeling Like I think that changes Everything in a relationship But some people I hear you And I agree Some people give hall passes They'll give a hall pass And just be like Oh Or a hall pass is if like If this happens Or I run into this Can I use it Some people say Don't tell me when you use it You have it But don't tell me when you use it Hell nah Knowing your girl got a hall pass First of all Knowing I just don't understand The type of relations People be in Knowing that your girl You telling your girl Nah you can sleep with somebody else But just don't tell me about it Alright marijuana Like What? What you mean? You gave your girl permission To sleep with somebody else And you just don't want to know When she do it? What do we I don't even understand Like and again Y'all be saying Yo mo you vanilla You sexy Shut the fuck up That's why none of you niggas Is happy in y'all relationship Number one Number two Telling your girl Nah you can sleep with somebody else Just don't tell me though How is that a healthy relationship? What is healthy about that? I want to harp on his context Because I think that his context is important He said they got married very young 25 ain't that young to get married? In this day and age It kind of is Not in Virginia, but I hear you He's saying when does that conversation In Mexico they late I'm sorry, that was unnecessary My bad, I'm sorry He's saying when could this be A realistic conversation I think that he's being realistic If you're 25 years old and you're really in this for keeps, you could be married for the next 50 years. And yes, people do it. But we ain't going to act like people ain't step out. People ain't have like this is a realistic conversation. You're expected to sleep with the same person for 50 years. That's not for everybody. So a lot of people are having those conversations. I don't think it's an unrealistic. I think I think if you have a conversation, you're not satisfied in your relationship. Because if you satisfy like your girl is everything to you. The sex is incredible. You can't even fathom sleeping with somebody else. If your man is satisfying you, you can't even, the thought of another man climbing on top of you will make you throw up. Yes. If you're happy. I think that we are the wrong, sir, I think you called into the wrong podcast. None of us are married and have not been in relationships for over 10 years. So I think that it's a different conversation with those people. I think it's definitely tougher for people that are married at 25 and now 33 with the constant amount of other people they're subjected to every single day. I think it fucks with the human brain. I don't think he's crazy for thinking that. My question is, does she get a hall pass? That's something that he left out. Does the hall pass go both ways or do you just want to fuck another girl? I think hall passes go both ways. I think. I don't know what he got. I've never been a part of a hall pass. He might be pimping. She can't do it, but he can. I don't know what I know this gentleman. He might be pimping. I didn't take that as he was suggesting that she had one as well. I think he was asking. Well, he said the hall pass conversation. Yeah, he didn't say for me. He said a hall pass conversation. I'm sure he's thought about like, if I ask for one, she might ask for one. Yeah, because I think that's just going to cause, obviously we don't know his wife and how she would take that conversation. I just think it's not going to go the way he thinks it's going to go. Or if it goes the way he wants it to go, he's going to start to feel insecure of how ready she was to say yes with it. Because now you're looking at your, hey, maybe we should do the hall pass. She's like, yeah, I'm on board. Now you're looking at your girl like, go, Kay. You know why? Because this is the part of the whole past that you don't talk about. She already know who she want to fuck. She already know. The nigga is already primed and ready to go. The nigga can't wait for her to be like, yo, like, she know. Your girl know if she get the opportunity to step out on you, especially if it's like, it's okay, like it's a green light, like it's a whole past. she know where that nigga live she probably already connected to the wild she been there right now and to Maul's point if she has a hall pass and you have a hall pass and you both agree and you feel okay about it it's gonna be way easier in the streets for her than it is for you if you are this misogynist monogamous person that you say you are you can't just go back into the wild after 8 years of being a house cat and think you're about to just fall into some pussy nah nah it depends on your game He's on your game He doesn't even know how to flirt at this point If you come back like Jordan wearing the 4-5 Nigga you right back in the game The streets was waiting for you to come back Hate to play games with you Probably maim you If I'm married for 10 years And I come outside one night I'm like yo I got the hall pass I'm knocking something down immediately I already know It ain't gonna be no yoga I need to find somebody He's been monogamous I'm just saying I can't speak for this. For 10 years. Just because you're monogamous. Maybe more than that because they've been married for almost 10 years. They couldn't have been together since they've been. But just because you're monogamous don't mean that you're not, you know, the ladies don't think you cool personality, you handsome. I'm not saying that, but you don't even know what's going on outside anymore. It don't matter. Based off what he said. Who cares what's going on outside? Who gives a fuck what Ja Rule thinks at a time like this? You don't, I got a whole pass for tonight. I just need some pussy. I don't care who's depressed. I don't care who's homeless. I don't give a fuck. Dude, are you not on your menstrual? let's fuck tonight i need to push you tonight and honestly he might look past that he running red lights on the hall pass is is that worth your girl getting fucked as well because who knows who you're gonna run into to use that hall pass how long you're gonna last like you could really waste your hall pass on busting in 30 seconds because you've never been in another vagina for 10 years and it's just happy to be here and she could be getting her black like that blown out over bro do you know is that worth your girl getting fucked do you know how motherfucking mad i would be if i found out that I gave my man a hall pass and he went and busted in 30 seconds. You got this bitch thinking that my coochie whacked because you couldn't control your motherfucking self? You act like you ain't never had nothing nice before? It'd be like that. Oh, I would be It'd be like that. He's been in the same vagina for 10 years. His dick is going to be like, wait where the fuck we at? And maybe get a little excited. Hall pass is great. And you doing all that so your girl can also get fucked and maybe better? First of all, when did hall pass start? Owen Wilson, the movie, I think. No, it was a thing way before that. It's always been a thing. No, it hasn't. I wasn't aware of it until the movie, honestly. No, it has not. My uncles, my pops, ain't nobody ever said, yeah, you know, I let your moms go out one night and go, I've never heard that at the cookout. Well, that's because this is, and this is the thing, this is why I said people have been married before and they're like, you know, my grandparents were married for 50 years, but you got an auntie that ain't, you know what I'm saying? People have stepped out before. It just was honest. No, no, no, no. People have stepped out And whirlwind No no no no no People have been aware In their marriages Of sides before It was just Don't ask don't tell It was very much Don't ask don't tell But that's not a hall pass Yeah that's not a hall pass though That's different I know what you're saying That's accepting cheating Yeah that's different I'm talking about Yo babe here Yo tonight go ahead Go out with the girls And if you see somebody At the bar that you But that's not usually How hall passes work Every hall pass I've ever Well now it's different Cause y'all know exactly Where the nigga live What time he get off work When he come into town Y'all know exactly Yeah, y'all know who y'all going to sleep with if your man gave you a hall pass. Y'all know exactly who the guy is already. There's no like... I wouldn't take it. You wouldn't take the hall pass? I wouldn't take the hall pass. No, that's reverse psychology. But you wouldn't take it because... I'm not no idiot. You wouldn't take it because you don't want your man to take it? No. So why wouldn't you take it? I wouldn't take it because I would feel like that's reverse psychology. I feel like you're telling me, yeah, you could go do this. You don't really want me to go do it, though. I wouldn't do it. No, all right. I understand what you're saying. I'm talking about if you know your man is like, yo, listen. can't speak for that okay because it just it's so unrealistic to me and then but also the hall pass thing this is what i want to know because it's a one-time thing so fuck if you bust quick whatever it's just one night let's say it's the greatest sex ever it's a one-time thing what is that solving in the next 50 years of our marriage yeah i don't know that's why i don't understand what is that because it's like all right you so now i'm gonna think about this bitch when i fuck you for the next 50 years yeah like you had sex with somebody just for the night and that was one time you just wanted to go have sex with somebody else like is it a hall pass for the rest of our marriage where we're just in an open like open relationship even though i couldn't do that make way more sense to me than a one night thing sometimes it could just be curiosity it could just be like oh like we've been doing this for so long let's try something new whatever but that's going to be a stay if it's one night it's just gonna be a stain that's there for such an unnecessary reason because nothing's going to change for the next 50 years of your relationship because you fuck somebody one night uh 20 years i never understood the definition of what the I've never met anyone that's had a hall pass. I thought it was honestly a movie. Hall passes to me, when I've had discussions about them and my relationships were always... If you... There's this one person that if I met this person, yo, you got to let me. Like a celebrity? Because I wanted to do it so badly. I've heard of those before. Those I really understand because... I don't understand that either. Man, I get that. Men that do that are dumb because, bro, she's going to run into somebody you're not. like imagine you being married for eight years and your girl like you know i love you but yo if denzel ever back out the swammy or i'm sucking it but i said that but but this is the thing that's the conversation that usually happens within the first two years of the relationship yo and in 99 percent of relationships that aren't celebrity based i am not running into rihanna she may run into michael b jordan why would you agree to that why is every man's hall pass rihanna every man's hall pass is Rihanna thinking Rihanna would fuck any of us you know it was me like I ran into I've run into a few of my hall passes that I had made with other men a few of them men are gonna lose that battle every time because I promise you alright never mind forget I just said that entire thing I say all that to say I don't really understand the hall pass thing I don't think it solves anything I think if you are already thinking that way maybe you should have an open relationship conversation. Cause I think if you get a taste of the streets with a hall pass, it's not going to stop. And it's just going to make everything more awkward. And I think if she's excited for it, it's going to make you feel even crazier. I think if you get a taste of the streets, usually as a man that's been married for eight years and you really, really love your wife, you get a taste of the streets and you're going to love her more. You're going to love her more. Oh no. The streets is cooked out here. Streets is done. But if you're trying to have some fun, the streets is wide open. Even if you go to, but a married man that. Trying to find a wife in this bunch? No, it's cooked. I'm saying, but if you want to have fun, yeah. There's plenty of wives out there. But yeah, I hear you. Plenty of wives. I want to meet, there's a certain aesthetic to the people that have for all passes. Anybody I know who has ever like let their girl like, or let their, it's a certain aesthetic to them. They never fingernails dirty? Nobody want to sleep with you. I'm talking about ones that have actually went through with it. Like, you ain't that attractive. It was like oh I let my girl go It's like alright Who hit that? Yeah that's why when we talk about the nude beach stuff I also think the same thing About the sex clubs and the swingers clubs I don't think you're about to find some bad ass couples The sex clubs and the swingers clubs You're wrong about I just I'm assuming that maybe they don't have The best But you have two attractive friends who have told you That they've gone to those things They've been with attractive men That's true Like that's No that's That's just horniness Them niggas be horn The new beach? No not new beaches The sexist swingers clubs Oh yeah I'm not into it Maybe not the ones That she was going to With her man I do think Kind of the way The nude beaches And those like Certain resorts That are made for swingers And like you put something On your door I don't think you're getting The best bunch Oh the upside down Pineapple people Yeah that you guys Had told me about I don't think those married couples Is really who you should be fucking But that's just me I'm just not into it You don't like that shit Like ugh I don't like nobody fucking Like bitches that ain't even Don't do that Cause you got He got wooed at the bar And went up to the The hotel room What bar? The swinger You was almost there Yeah The what? Chuck Liddell Almost got there Oh Nah but I mean That wasn't gonna happen I know I know how It looked like that Could have been the case But that definitely Was not gonna happen But yeah I just I don't know That whole I just don't know man Like cause It's like who is it Where you from? Like you supposed to just get like Naked and just climb on top of this like Ew you don't well like You don't be knowing people like how you just get naked And start fucking like random people That's always yeah that's very true That shit is crazy to me I'm sorry like People's smells and senses like yo You don't know what you in for with this Like I just don't know how people be like yo I'm going to Swingers club like word Like what it smell like in there I'm sorry Ooh nothing Do you have to sign like waivers and like do you have to come with an STD test I would hope so No you I don't think so Some you do The super exclusive ones You do have to have A clean bill of rights But a lot of them Clean bill of rights Is hilarious No Yo if I walked into A sex club And they Just Come on in sir You gotta Well you gotta sign a waiver You have to sign a waiver Same thing with like skiing Like if you hurt yourself It ain't on a No I get the waiver part Of if anything happens It's fragile I'm talking about If you don't show up With your paperwork Like are you good Yeah I'm too much I'm not Rory What? You ask bitches for their paperwork When you fucked them? I'm talking about If you're in a venue Of a sex club No But what does that mean? You think people who are in sex clubs Are dirtier than just regular people you eat? No I don't think that whatsoever I think Shit I've told you before I think strippers are probably cleaner Because their whole job Is defined on That part of their body Strippers or porn stars? And escorts I think they're a lot cleaner Than the chicks they just be out in the club. Strippers and porn star escorts is two totally different things. Well, sometimes they're all, they all do the same. They check all the same. Some people are writers, producers, and rappers. Yeah. Multitalent, multifaceted. But no, I think an escort, like I think high-end escorts probably take care of their sexual health more than the average girl that's just out in the club getting fucked. I really do. Well, for work, you have to. Because it's their job. Escorts, I don't know. Porn, if you're in the porn industry, you get tested for shit. Oh yeah, no, of course. And that's what I'm saying that at a sex club, in a venue that is made for this, we couldn't even walk in the airport without a COVID swab. If I'm walking into a place that's designed for a bunch of people to fuck each other, I think it's a sane thing to go, well, can you bring a current STD test? Oh no, for sure. I don't think, I agree with that, yeah. I understand what Damaris is trying to say. Yes, have I slept with a stranger before? Of course I have. But the whole hotel wasn't designed for everybody to fuck each other. I don't know I'm just too much of a germaphobe man like I can't I'm laying down on this bed with four niggas just finished fucking I'm not I just can't see me getting turned on in that environment I can't like I just I would be like I would be looking around too much like yo how many he was just laying like I'm supposed to lay where homie was just laying at like and you know mall's not I'm not doing that mall's not showing up when doors open so by the time mall gets there those sheets have been used like a lot. The windows is foggy. The walls is wet. There's handprints. I'm cool. It smell crazy in here. It smell like open butthole in here. I'm cool. I'm not supposed to be like, I'm next. I'm not. Well, some people go and just observe, Ma. Some people go and they go with their girl and they just like, they get a drink because there's usually bars and they get a drink and they just watch. I'm cool. We can go watch something else. Paradise is back on Hulu. 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