🚨 SUMMER HOUSE EMERGENCY SUMMIT SISTER CIRCLE!

Hello, everyone, and welcome to Everything Iconic with me, Danny Pellegrino. I got a special episode for you all today. This is a Summer House Summit with my frequent co-host, Hannah Aaron-Brown. Hannah is joining me to really break down all of the Summer House rumors. Now, granted, there's an episode of Summer House on this week, of course, but we're really going to dive into rather than doing a traditional recap, which unfortunately you're just not going to get this week. But we're going to dive into all of, recapping kind of what's going on in the rumor mill, because it seems like there's some chaos amongst West and Amanda. So first of all, Hannah, how are you? I mean, I'm great. I'm so glad that I have this great mug, giant great mug of coffee. This is a Libra mug. You're my Libra. I mean, I'm not a Libra, but you're my Libra brother. Right. So I'm honored to be using this mug today. And I feel like I need a little bit of balance with everything going on. There's a lot happening. And it's been sort of, I don't know if you feel this way, but I've been following all the Summer House rumors for almost like a month, over a month now. And the thing that we were talking about before we started recording is that a lot of them feel not real because a lot of them haven't been real. Because it's like, if you look at Dumois, for instance, has posted a long time ago that West and Amanda had a fling, but they also posted that Kyle was having a fling with some NextGen cast member. And that wasn't there jesse and sierra or jesse and amanda and so there's been like a hundred of these things and so i feel like if you are throwing a million darts at the wall eventually you're gonna hit a bullseye and so it's like yes there's one that's true maybe i think it's true now i do too you were longer to come around than i was though it took me less convincing and you were like absolutely not well because here's the thing i was on watch what happens live like two weeks ago with kyle okay you were three weeks ago it was like very it was right when that west and amanda rumor first surfaced okay and we started watch what happens i've even before in the green room i was like kyle can i grill you on some of these rumors and stuff or can we you know so lights up andy says welcome and we're like kyle rumors and i was more interested in the kyle dating the next gen cast member from that show but then also andy had asked him about the west and amanda thing and it seemed like that was like not even, that was like a way less real rumor. Yeah. Even like behind the scenes and everything. That's how it felt to me, just sort of like observing how all these rumors were coming about. It was like that, the West and Amanda one, it was like, no, that, and even Kyle's answer was like, no, I don't, and I really believed, I don't think he's that good of an actor. So I just, and even if Andy and the network thought that was true, I think he would have pressed it more too. 100%. I really felt like, oh, that was just, That was like a far off rumor. Like Andy even pressed the next gen one even more than the West and Amanda one. Cause it was just like, Oh, that's that one seems crazy. And I even said to Kyle, when he said, when he sort of denied it, the West and Amanda thing, I said, so there's no truth at all to it. And he's like, no, no, I don't think so. And I truly thought there wasn't acting there. So then when the rumor sort of resurfaced a couple of weeks later, I was like, no, that's not true. There would have been some sign or he would have been hiding it or even backstage or in the green room or after the show or something he might have said to me like oh no well that is true or something like that maybe i'm giving him too much credit but i really thought like that's not a true thing because it it's i think it's hard to tell because this whole friend group is so like notoriously flirty with each other that it's really hard to know like where the line lies for them because i personally think like even if this ended up not being true which at this point i'm pretty positive it is true but like even if it wasn't i still think it's an inappropriate friendship between amanda and west given like what west represented to sierra how much that whole situation was like really emotionally like challenging for her and for amanda to sort of sidle up to west as like a safe source of male attention now that she's divorced i'm just like there's a million hot single guys in new york you're hot and famous and newly single you could literally be hanging out with anyone you don't need to be doing this right and it's a fuck you to see well not only that on the show this season there's been this whole thing about her and ben yeah which i really did also think there's been so many inappropriate things with ben okay like the way he has been holding her last week on the show didn't he like carry her into the house after they'd been out drinking like the infantilizing of amanda also needs to stop yeah she's a baby like enough i've had enough totally but i think of like my husband and it's like if if he was carrying another person even if i was right there i'd be like this is uncomfortable in it's happened like a handful of times with ben on the show where um that one carnival scene he like lifted her over something and it's like oh yeah i was like i don't know this makes me a little and it's come up and even what bailey at the dinner was like you want to fuck each other or something what did she say if i were yeah she was right by the way justice for justice for bail like just so you know he wants to fuck you yeah it was but i mean it's like that is the least of our problems now i know but and then that got me thinking which not i again i don't want to sound like i'm sympathizing or empathizing with kyle because he's got his own sort of issues of course but when he said on the show when he when he said that fuck you to amanda and was like, she's not paying, she's paying everyone else all this attention. I really, when I watched that, I thought, yeah, Amanda is paying other people attention because, you know, you're so fucked up and whatever. But now I'm looking at it through a different lens of like, oh, we're seeing her pay attention to Ben, but then also she's been fucking West. Like there is some sort of like truth to maybe, you know, her giving too many people other attention. Does that make sense? Maybe Kyle picked up on a vibe, even in a subconscious way. And again, he's still awful for a million and one reason. This is a tale as old as time on Bravo is like so often like someone will like out shitty someone else's shitty behavior. And so then we'll just like automatically put that person on a pedestal. And like, I have no interest in doing that with Kyle. Like Kyle was really like not a good husband. And I think their relationship had a ton of problems. And I think Amanda was very valid and feeling how she felt. But I do think that like this situation is her like over indexing and being like, I'm finally single and I'm free and I can do whatever the fuck I want. I'm going to live for me now. And it's like, but at the cost of people you care about at the cost of like close friends and people are trying to rewrite history right now and be like her and Sierra aren't that close. And I'm like, yes, they are. What the fuck are you talking about? Not only that, I mean, of course, I'm I'm not trying to insert myself into this at all. But even at BravoCon, like I think back to like I did an interview with Amanda and Sierra together. And yeah, I felt like a genuine friendship. You're on that big bed together. And by the way, we talked about this on the podcast, but Sierra kind of gave me shit on the traitors panel because I was hosting it and she kind of came back at me because I was saying, is Kyle a faithful? And she came back at me because she was sticking up for Amanda. She said, whoa, aggressive. Is that good, Sierra? Whoa, aggressive. Yeah. And even when I interviewed her and Amanda together, like on the floor, I did a little thing with them. I felt like Sierra really had Amanda's back in a way, way more than she needed to, way more than Amanda had her back. It was like, I not only feel like there was a genuine friendship there, but that Sierra was genuinely like defending the honor of Amanda at a time, even on the traitors panel. It's like, why does she, she don't have to defend Amanda. but she did she like made a an effort to be like well let's not you know let's let's not bring that up right now and so then to know that amanda was maybe canoodling you know with west like sierra's ex that's an issue it's nasty work it's nasty work is what it is and i feel like i don't know i feel like now people are pulling up all these like old clips of amanda just kind of being like a shitty woman to other women wait are there other i haven't seen there was um someone pulled up a clip on reddit that my friend sent to me where it was like jewels was like drinking like fireball out of a bottle and amanda kicked the bottle while it was in her mouth so that it all dribbled down her face and it could have like broken her teeth and everyone was like laughing and i'm like that's like eighth grade like mean girl type stuff justice for jewels justice for jewels justice for bailey so i'm just kind of like there was also a clip where um amanda was sierra was i think this was last season where sierra's like i just really hope i'm not like a joke after all this and amanda's like, you're a joke, like about the West stuff and like started laughing. And Paige was like, hee hee hee. And Sierra's like, I'm going to cry. And like, I was like, that's not a funny joke. There's been a couple of times this season where Sierra has sort of been celebrating an accomplishment. I think on the show this week, she's, she opens up about buying a house and, you know, she's opened up about very vulnerable things. And it always looking back, because I have, I have seen some clips too online of Sierra where it always feels like other people Amanda's not celebrating as much as other like Mia's celebrating Sierra more than Amanda is and yeah I don't know even at that one dinner where Sierra's really opening up her KJ and Mia are opening up about the race and I feel like I don't know maybe I'm looking at it through too much of a monocle but it's like was Amanda really being extra supportive in the way that a best friend should be? I think was Lindsay the one who moved a chair over and like rubbed her back or like touched her arm or something? I don't know but I felt like there could have been more support for Sierra in that scene from her white cast members. Obviously we're going to look back and pierce through everything like detectives because that's what we're supposed to do. What else are Bravo fans good for? We're detectives. That's what's interesting too. There's so many you mentioned clips but people are resurfacing photos of West and Amanda and things. Before I get into that, I want to mention we talked about Jules and Bailey. There's some of these periphery cast members that all the cast members now are kind of posting these cryptic things. The rumor is that Bravo, the network, is saying they're not allowed to post. Please keep this under wraps. I don't know if production's telling them, if the network's telling them, but it seems like they're not commenting on it, at least as of this recording. Yeah. Things could change in the next 15 minutes. Things could change. We don't know. Right now, as we're recording, somebody could release a statement or something. But it seems like, I know we could be missing things. My asshole is clenched. I know. You know what I think needs to happen, though? So everybody's posting these like memes. So I think KJ and Carl and Lindsay posted like memes of them. And Bailey. I'm like, Bailey. I know. And it's sort of their reaction. And they're not like outright saying anything. Right. And I was thinking about Levi. Levi? Lizette. That's her name. Yeah. Levi. What she needs to do. She's fucked either way. Like she's not coming back. They edited her out of the season. Basically. She's fucked. What she should do is be the smoking gun. And it would either save her to come back. or at least get her in the mix a little bit for like a job after this, right? I wish I was managing Levi. Like I would say, Levi, tell us, tell everyone what you know, everything you know. Who cares? Who gives a flying fuck if the network is saying, don't, we need you buttoned up. Be as messy as possible. Be as messy as possible right now. This is your one opportunity, Levi, to get in there. Bailey, I think is gonna maybe be fine. She's got sort of a dalliance with Carl happening. Like I think she could come back, but Levi's fucked. so levi like drop the receipts whatever you have you probably don't have much like there's probably not a lot something find something also like best case scenario levi gets like she gets eliminated from the summer house cast but then because of this she's on house of villains right and she rebrands herself as a villainous reality tv star who doesn't care who she fucks over as long as she stays relevant and i'm like great yeah do what you gotta do in this economy yeah economy yeah she's got to have some sort of information make a buck she was in that house she has to know something even if it's just like from a group cast text there's got to be some they have to have a group text going all she has to do is like hop on her instagram live or something be on that group chat and allude to stuff like start giving us some droplets of information because nobody else is yeah and they're all they're all probably not giving us any information because they're concerned about their jobs totally levi you don't have a job no more you don't so Just step your ass up and try to get a job. Because you could be the – what was that woman, the assistant to Tom Sandoval? Anne? Anne. Don't get me started on Anne. She could be the Anne. Remember Anne was in a Super Bowl commercial? Yeah, she was doing Ziploc commercials. Levi, call up Anne and get some tips. Because Anne got in the mix. Anne did get in the mix. She got in the mix. Where is she now? We don't know, but we'll see her again. She was doing podcast interviews. She was doing – She's a sketch comedy goddess. She's one to watch. She was throwing Tom under the bus while he was, she was the assistant. And then she went to the heirs tour all at the same time. She's a multitasking queen. Levi needs to call up. Yeah. And that was her name, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So they're all posting these memes. I guess that means because they don't want it out. Yeah. Yeah. Because my, my initial gut reaction was that they were doing this. They all were posting branded content and I thought, oh, are they just doing this? because it does help all their branded content. When there's rumors like this, everybody comments on their Buffalo Wild Wings post. Right. Because they're like, tell us the tea. Or they're like, Team Sierra, bitch. And it's like, that's still engagement for Amanda. That engagement then ups their cost for their next brand deal. And it makes the Buffalo Wild Wings so happy with them. And those branded deals are way more lucrative than what they're getting paid on the show. Yeah. And the other kind of weird thing is like Buffalo Wild Wings keeps commenting on everything. Do you notice that? No. They've been like commenting. Their social media manager is like, I am clocked the fuck in. Their social media manager is like working overtime right now. Because every single post that I see about anything, it's like, oh, this is serious stuff. Come get six wings for $12.99 or whatever it is. This is just as spicy as our 12-wing special. Literally, like Carrie Bradshaw writing chicken wing puns. Get it while it's hot. By the way, I'm recapping Sex and the City. You join me for the end just like that recaps. but I do Sex and the City recaps on my Patreon. And there was one episode I just did. It was like Carrie and the gals go to Atlantic City. And Carrie shows up at Miranda's house. And she does the thing that she always does with Big, where she knocks on the door and says, get it while it's hot. And I forget what it is right now. It's like I'm blanking on it. But she knocks on Miranda's door. Miranda just had a baby. And she, oh, I know what it was. They're going to Atlantic City. She goes to pick up Miranda. And she's like, under the boardwalk. it's so cringe and embarrassing and i loved it oh my favorite one is when she's like speaking of sgp i had a dream last night that i went on a date with jfk but halfway through the date he left me for someone else jfk jr was it the real jfk jr or the like tv version it was the real one oh wow i know it was a crazy dream um we have to talk about that show as soon as we're done with summer house because i want to talk about it um but the jfk jr of bravo who would you say who would you say is the jfk jr of summer house oh my god that's so hard kj oh yeah kj it's actually not that hard he's a sweetie pie i am excited for kj to continue to find his like confidence and riz like before our very eyes because like i think now that he's with dara i think he's like feeling himself in a way that he should have always been feeling himself dara the explorer that's what i call it there the explorer she's gorgeous i know she's fishy to me Really? I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I don't know. Something, I don't know. And I'm also concerned with KJ because he does seem so close with West. I'm worried West and Jesse are going to get into him. Like they're going to like alter his psyche? I don't know. Oh, no. Hi, KJ. It's me, Jesse. Well, I think that you should be single and fuck as many girls as possible. That was the other issue. I thought like this whole thing was a ruse for Jesse. have you noticed that he's been promoting new music? Unfortunately, I have noticed. Yeah. And I was worried that Jesse was going to like come out with a song because I saw something to promote his tour. He got like all the cast members to like a zoom and whatever. And I was like, if this is all a whole thing for Jesse's music, like I will take down NBC and Bravo. Like I cannot handle it. Luckily, I don't think it is knock on wood. It better not be. But if Jesse releases a song about this, it's over. It's, it's over. I, My guiding light through all of this was knowing that Ciara historically hates looking foolish, hates feeling embarrassed like that. And obviously, who likes those things? But like she gets really upset and emotional when like she feels like she's been fucked over, especially publicly. So I was like, there's just no world in which I could see Ciara agreeing to any of this for a PR purpose, especially because like she was already on the Ariana track like well before this happened. Like she was doing a lot of red carpet stuff. She did like the Oscars for the cut. She did the Wuthering Heights premiere. She reported from the Grammys. She's already transcending the show. So I just don't see a world in which she would be like, yeah, totally. Let's just put me at the center of a bunch of drama so that our show gets ratings. I don't think she would do that. I also don't think Amanda looking – I don't know that she would want to look. I think she's carefully sort of curated her image as well. And I don't think she would want to come across the way that she's coming across. She's always given me eighth grade mean girl energy. but to be honest the bedbugs always have kind of scared me like yeah you've always been i want their approval more than anything i want to make that clear um but they all scare the shit out of me and i've had brief interactions with some of them where i'm like oh i don't think you're interested in making new friends and that's okay and i think it's also like one of those things where it's like i think the term girls girl gets like thrown around a lot and it's like what does that even mean because at the end of the day it's like sometimes you just think a bitch is annoying and there's really no reason why but your spirits just don't agree but i feel like historically they've been girls girls for each other, not necessarily for new girls entering the house And I think what we discovered in this if it ends up being true is that Amanda is a girl girl for no one Well even going back to preseason they were kind of, the old guard girls were sort of throwing Levi and Bailey and the new girls under the bus. Like they were saying, you know, they don't fit in, you know, that kind of thing. And it's like watching the season back. I'm like, well, why did you say that? Like, they seem fine. You know, it's like new girls are never given a fair shot the way new guys are. That term girl's girl, I've had an aha moment with The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills this season because Kyle Richards always says, she's like, I'm a girl's girl. But then she does the opposite of it. And I kind of feel like the people who say, who are the ones who say they're a girl's girl are the ones who are actually the opposite of that. It's like they're, I don't know what the psychology is, you know, what I'm trying to say. It's like when you go to a stand-up show and like the comic is like, I fuck all the time. It's like, okay, well, just say that you don't. I like that the stand-up was Jesse Salomon. It was Jesse Salomon being like, I get laid every day. And it's like, okay, well, the truth reveals itself. I thought they're just in a marriage. Isn't that how people act in a marriage? I see them kiss and hug sometimes. I'm like – the other thing, too, with Kyle and Amanda is their whole relationship is like a snake eating its own tail, where it's like they've both done things wrong. It's been hot garbage from day one. They should have never gotten married. Everyone said it. And also the patience that Sierra has for being like supportive for this many years with this shit show of a relationship. Like, I feel like the scratch on my hands and marriage story meme, like just thinking about it. Imagine how they all feel. Yeah. I mean, I think about all the summers they've had to like go into that house and just spend so much time dealing with their drama. It's shocking to me. Shocking. Like at a certain point, like if it were Vanderpump rules, like remember what happened with like Kristen and Katie and Stassi, where Stassi's like, I can't hear you complain about Carter anymore. Like, like Stassi and Katie were like, this is enough. Like your relationship sucks. He sucks. We don't want to hear about it anymore. And Kristen's like, I just don't love the way you guys love me. And they were like, I don't know what to tell you. This is annoying. You know, I, I think Vanderpump rules, there's obviously people making comparisons to Skandaval and what happened there with Summer House and this whole thing. And it's, they're very different. And I think Vanderpump Rules is a way more intense show. Like, Summer House is a great show. I love Summer House. But if I were to compare 10 seasons of Vanderpump Rules with 10 seasons of Summer House, I'm sorry, but, like, VPR just, like, blows it out of the water. Like, it's so much better. And, again, we love Summer House. But I just have to shout out, like, original VPR was so incredible. That was so good. It was so good. But I think it's because they were all, like, roaches. like they were just like fame hungry roaches who would do anything to each other for like they were just very impulsive they were probably on drugs and it was you know what so be it and live half love and put up the fucking cameras and let us watch and thank god for them but like if vpr is roaches i feel like summer house was more like butterflies i really believe that vpr was like a is a millennial text that will be if you ever want to look back on like what the era of a 20 something millennial was you can watch all those that original run of vpr like it's so i know i more so even i love girls it's like right up there with girls for me of like the millennial experience yes if you watch vpr it's like all there i remember like being in college and like watching the premiere and becoming instantly obsessed and being like someday i'm gonna move to la and i'm gonna work at sir and that was like without any irony in my dream did i ever tell you the time I almost, I like went to Sur, I had bar, I used to bartend when I first moved to LA. And one night my friend Bex and I, like we had been drinking like way after the shift ended, we went to the Abbey and then like someone invited us to Sur, one of the owners. And I think one of the people was like trying to flirt with my friend Becca. And nobody else, it was empty because it was closed and we played music and like there was like this older gay man i think was trying to maybe get my pants but um there it was like a sliding doors moment where i remember they mentioned like do you guys want to work here like we're looking and this was pre i think pre vpr it was like right when i moved to los angeles whoa and then i well nothing happened but i remember him saying like would you guys want to work here we're looking for more whatever and i think like oh could i have would i have been on vanderpump rules but honestly that's like my sliding doors moment yeah it's your gwyneth paltrow sliding doors moment that movie is so depressing by the i'm biting my tongue because i'm trying not to say anything else what i was gonna say is i feel like that's really all you need though is the validation that like you're hot enough that like in sir's heyday they really wanted you to work there which is not a shock to me at all but like i hope that you really take that and like internalize that well i think probably they i mean at that time i was also very attractive that was my youth that was my youth but um my friend Becca too. It was like a really gorgeous and we bartended at a, you know, nearby bar and we had a great time. Anyway, let's take a break here and we're going to come back and break down more Summer House stuff. We'll be right back. And we're back. Hannah, what were we talking about? I want to thank ACAST. I meant to do that before we went to break. Okay, Summer House. So they're all kind of like chiming in with these cryptic posts. And I don't know. I think we like them not being able to talk about if that's truly the reason why we're not getting any sort of information about it. I think it's turning fans on the show because we need some answers. I but I'm also like I'm having a blast like I'm all consumed and obviously like woman to woman for Sierra's sake. I would hate for this to be true as a viewer and as a fan of Bravo. This is what unites us all. This is yeah. Yeah. We needed it. We live for we need we didn't need this because we deserve this unfortunately like that's it is drama and and i think like it's okay i don't i'm not of the mind of like this would be so terrible i think sierra's fine like she had broken up with west a long time ago this is ultimately really going to i hate to say it but really help her career in so many ways she's gonna be an oscar winner within the next year even though she's yeah even though she's doing great like i'm not saying she needs it or anything i'm just saying Like, I think she's going to be fine. I don't think it, even with the Scandalval situation, I felt more concerned with Ariana. That was like a heavier kind of thing. Yeah. Like this. Yeah. It's unfortunate that your friend would do that, of course. But I don't know if it's like so that devastating that the fans are really getting into the nitty gritty of this. It's like, I think Sierra hopefully will have had enough time away from like her relationship with West. and even as the seasons end i think they all sort of go their own ways so like maybe she had some space from amanda so i don't know i i don't really worry too much about cr and she's wonderful and strong like she's gonna be fine yeah i just like i hope that she ends up having fun with this because like obviously like i'm very happy that ariana found love like with a normie i think that's very healthy for her i think the relationship seems great i want cierra to have some fun with this like i want sierra to like go date like a fucking a-list movie star or like some really fucking hot athlete like i want her to be out on the town like looking hot going on dates like that's what i need obviously we're both married but like if you had a situation like this happen in your life and you could just date any of the single hot guys right now who would it be oh my god uh milo manheim oh yeah you like him we met him at the at the one party recently guys and he was really sweet don't meet your crush unless like your celebrity crush unless they're milo manheim because it was like a 15 out of 10 experience and he's doing the new tangled he's playing the flynn rider that's our flynn yeah yeah also we were upset because it's cameron manheim's son and we were upset that we didn't get him to say fuck off toby or tell him to fuck off we wanted to do a tic-tac where we said oh toby fuck off but we didn't have enough time wait that also we brought up i made a verb at that party that i really want to introduce to the audience it's called like going Kim McAfee over someone which is a Bye Bye Birdie reference like the part where she picks up the phone and she goes Conrad Birdie to kiss me and we were talking about who's a celebrity that you go Kim McAfee over or you like Kim McAfee out over and who was yours again it was the guy from Love Story oh yeah yeah no I'm in love with him Paul Anthony Kelly I think he's beautiful everyone says he's a bad actor yeah I don't think that he is I don't know if I'm just like Digmatized probably yeah But you know what that's my truth Like Lala once said on Watch What Happens Live He makes me go Pop pop pop and my panties go drop drop drop Make it go pop pop pop Until my panties go drop drop drop Okay Yeah so you would do Milo Yeah who would you do Probably the JFK Jr. guy I feel like that would be like a chic post-breakup relationship. Like he's like an up-and-comer. I mean, they're both up-and-comers. Yeah. And it's like, yeah, that's like our A-list moment. Yeah, I think like you would go on like really chic dates with him. And like you both would like be so well-dressed and look like super hot together. Milo would be like my cougar moment where it'd be like, oh my God, there's like a 10-year age gap. How old is he? He's like 25. Wow. Yeah. I don't know how old. The Paul Anthony Kelly, I think, is around my age. Yeah. So that'd be okay. Isn't he like Canadian? Yeah. Hot. You know, I love a Canadian. Like I find a lot of the times when I have a celebrity crush, I'll find out. I'm like, oh, they're Canadian. It's like a trend. Like Taylor Kitsch. I remember I was in love with him and then I found out he's Canadian. I'm like, oh, it seems like a lot of the fellas that I get interested in celebrity wise, I find out later they're Canadian. And I think that's because they all aren't Canadians like nice and sweet. They're famously nice. Yeah, like I think I, if it weren't for Matt, like I think I would go Canadian. I'd probably move to Vancouver or something and just find my own Paul Anthony Kelly. I couldn't blame you. Yeah. What else do we got to talk about with the Summer House stuff? There was something else I wanted to bring up and I'm blanking right now. Oh, God. I mean, do we think a statement is coming? I hope a statement's coming, but they haven't filmed the reunion yet. So it's possible they are trying. Now, I do want to say that they have sort of given statements like Kyle on Watch What Happens Live. West was on Watch What Happens Live this week and said, kind of gave a word salad answer. Did you see the clip? It was like, oh, I took her out on the town or whatever. And looking back at that now, I'm like, oh, there was it's clear that something was going on with them because the way he answered it was weird. And he turned kind of red. Yeah. And Amanda had said in an interview like, oh, I would never date one of the cast members and whatever. but that was obviously a cover-up right well here's yes because here's what bothered me is like i remember we were at bravo con amanda and kyle were barely together that entire weekend anyone who was there you could tell they were broken up yeah they didn't even acknowledge each other they were never together then she i got way irrationally mad about that tiktok she did where she's like i'm in my new place and i ended up being like a playhouse or like a doghouse or something and it kind of felt like she was like poking fun at all of us for speculating but then we ended up being right so it's like we've seen that annoys me yeah yeah it annoyed me too because i'm like oh now i'm supposed to feel bad that you announced your divorce and like we already knew this and you made fun of all of us eighth grade mean girls so now well and i just also to piggyback on that again making it about myself but i remember coming back from bravo con and talking about people give me a lot of shit not only for pressing amanda and sierra about and kyle about all that stuff people were mad at me and were like oh well you you know you shouldn't have said that because they're obviously still together or whatever. And then we find out later, it was like, yeah, they weren't. So I was right. But it was like a lot of people, I did get like angry messages that I was like feeding the rumor mill about that. And I was like, well, actually it was, they weren't together and they were lying to all of us. And I understand like if, if you or I were to be like lying about our relationship or something, that's one thing, but like their whole, their career is really showcasing their real lives. Like that's what we're consuming. that's the content that they're putting out. That's the show they're giving us. And so then when you're lying to the audience about your life, like we can lie. Anyone, if you have an office job or something, sure, go ahead and lie about your life. But you can't get mad at the audience. And the whole show we've been watching of Summer House has largely been Kyle and Amanda, like about their relationship. So then don't all of a sudden act like it's inappropriate that people are interested in these relationships because that's what it is. And if you don't want that, I get that. I wouldn't want that either. But then you need to get off the show and do another, do an office job or something. Like that's where I get really frustrated when sometimes like the reality TV stars, they want to act like victims of something. And it's like, yeah, well, you're also making hundreds of thousands of dollars on the Buffalo Wild Wings brand deal. Right. And it's kind of a give and take. And you're not, you're signed up for a show where you're not in control of the narrative. It's a TV show. Like you're, if you want to just do a podcast where you control the narrative, that's one thing. But like you're on an entertainment TV show. So then don't act like it's so crazy when people are like interested in it or, or, and then don't lie to the audience when it's about that. And I, devil's advocate, maybe it's like some protecting, like they didn't know they were broken up yet or they weren't sure where they were going or whatever. But I'm more cynical than that. I'm like, I think they all, they know, and they just weren't ready to like reveal the information yet. A hundred percent. And yeah, I think it's like. For business purposes. Yeah. I think a lot, we've seen a lot of like Bravo people kind of like flub timelines for their own benefit. But yeah, it's like, we're going to speculate because we have a parasocial relationship with you guys because we watch a reality show that you're on. I'm looking online right now to make sure in real time that we're not missing anything. Oh my God. I'm so stressed. There's still a lot of people who are speculating about like an April fool's thing. And there's really would be nothing worse. I think for all around, if they came out and said, Oh, this is April fool's prank. I actually would, everyone would turn on them. Honestly, like I think there is nothing more juvenile than April fool. I hate April fool. I fucking hate it. And every year there's some weirdo on the internet. That's like, I'm pregnant. Just kidding. And I know the pregnancy. You can't be. How do people not know that? Like I don't get how people do not know that. It's like, and then they're like April fools. I'm like, that's wildly insensitive actually. And it's just like dumb. There's a, always a housewife that does it. Oh my God. Grow up. Wait, speaking of being too woke, let me. I was watching Summer House last week. This comes back around. But you know how they were all dressed as old people? I had a too woke moment because they were riding around on electric scooters. It's like they're doing Mario Kart cosplay in these electric scooters, but dressed as old people. And I remember reading, I had this moment where I was watching it, and I remembered reading about how a lot of old people either can't afford or can't get access to scooters. And I was thinking, God, these assholes just on television, just scooting around in their electric scooters. And the old people who need them can't get them. Woke moment. And then I was like, okay, Danny, calm down. I'm sure that's such an innocuous thing to get upset about. But you're like, did they donate them out? Where did they go? I was thinking, these motherfuckers. How dare they when old people cannot get access to their scooters? Their culture is not your costume. Right. Okay. Okay. i can i say something controversial sure i'm sick of the whole hot girl ugly costume trope on this show oh yeah they're all so hot like is it just so silly that i wear like this weird nose or like that i have giant saggy titties i'm like you're all the most beautiful people i've ever seen in my life and so i get it's like cute and fun for you to like look unfortunate for like five seconds but like some people just look like that and it's not fun for them i hate it because it's just like watching an improv scene at the groundlings which i spent years doing okay and so it's perhaps triggering and traumatic for me yeah but it's like a bad improv like it's just they're all doing when they were all in their old costumes like cheersing to 85 years out of pill bottles or something like that i'm like oh they're all just doing too much it's too much and and i don't need like it felt like 10 minutes of them acting like old people and it's like okay they're not really it's not like we're watching Nicole Kidman act 85. Like we're watching West dresses, Mrs. Doubtfire. And it's like, that's not Robin Williams. Okay. I know. It just annoyed me. I know. It annoyed me. But sometimes when I get triggered by like things like that on TV, I do have to look inward and be like, what's going on with me? You know? And I, I'm going to say what's going on with me is that I'm jealous of how hot they all are. And I wish I looked like him. Well, they're, yeah, they're all hot. Do you find West hot? Does this change? I, I was sort of really coming around to West. You hated him and then you liked him. And now I literally I saw him over Super Bowl weekend. I had a blast with him. He was really cool to like everyone, including like the content creators, the crew. Like he was just like a nice guy. And I do think there's a certain like charisma in person. That's like he's just fun. Like he's naturally very flirty. He loves to get drunk and eat like two of my favorite things. Like I think he'd be a really fun guy to be friends with. So I could see why maybe that's how this started. But like it's unfortunate because it's like I was having fun rooting for West. I would have had fun, I guess, rooting for Amanda's like single girl era, but like, I cannot endorse any of this because I just think it was very unnecessary. Right. Right. I, yeah. I'm going to have to see how that all plays out. Like I, yeah, I always kind of, I liked West. I didn't like that. Was it last season or whatever? I didn't like him for a season. Well, yeah. Cause that was post him screwing over Sierra. And then he kind of did this thing where he sort of shut down and like, yeah. Oh yeah. It's like mode where he was just like, I don't know what to do. Yeah. But this season he's been really fun. And that the other thing is we also know historically that West hates when the audience is mad at him and when the internet speculating about whether or not he bought coke on St Patrick Day And so it like I don think he would go through all this unless he had like legitimate feelings for Amanda What do you think the cast group text looks like right now? And do you think Levi's even on it? I don't think I was just going to say I was gonna say this earlier. Actually, I think there's like the A team group chat and then there's like B team. Do you think Paige is on the A team still? I think Paige is on it but she muted it and she never checks it I feel like when Hannah was on the show there was a chat with the whole cast except for Hannah that no one told her about not even Paige and I think with this current cast it's like there's definitely splintered group chats right now where everyone's like what the fuck is going on where do you make of Carl this has nothing to do with this has nothing to do with anything other than I worry about him I think there's a softness and a sensitivity to Carl where I just worry about how this is going to impact his emotional well-being and shatter everything he thought he knew. I was really, at the beginning of the season, trying to get behind Carl. Because I've been historically tough on Carl. Because I do not think he's been a good human up until maybe a year ago. And I've noticed a change and a growth in him. That I was like, you know what? I'm going to get behind Carl. But then I struggled at the beginning of the season. And then he dressed in the old man makeup and I fell in love with him. I said, no, wait a minute. I said, oh, there it is. That's who I'm here to support. And yeah, I do worry. He seems so fragile. Even like his interactions, his brief interactions with Lindsay, it feels like he's got more intensity than she does with it. And it makes me, it just, I worry for him. And I worry about Softbar. I mean, all their businesses, it looks like Loverboy is floundering. I don't know if Loverboy, I don't think Loverboy can come back from this. I don't think so either. I did also, speaking of our sleep paralysis demon, Bethany, she posted a TikTok about Loverboy. It showed up on my thing. And it was like, you know how she always has to act like she's invented everything. She discovered it. She discovered business. It was for climate. And alcohol and drinks. And she's first in the market. And so she was like monk fruit, seltzer, water. Yeah. She was like going on this big thing about how hard the industry is and how TV doesn't translate to sales. You got to get out at the right time. And like, it was this big, long tick tock, but it made me think, I don't know if, I don't know if lover boy can come back from this. Yeah. I mean, I think it was already floundering. Like you said, I've also tried lover boy and I don't think it's piss water. Yeah. They're all piss water. I'm not really like a, a spike tea kind of person in general. Yeah. But I just kind of thought it had that like fake sugar taste to it, even though I think it's sweetened with monk fruit. But it just it wasn't my thing. And the merch was arguably the most lucrative part of that business, which Amanda was behind. I honestly that's a even bigger nightmare to me than living in the house with a married couple who's arguing all the time is like only being able to drink Loverboy. Like I know they can. They're allowed to drink other things. But even even if I did like it, I wouldn't want to only drink a Loverboy. No, same. It seems to, and granted, I've never tried it, so I don't know how it tastes. But any of those kind of specialty drinks, like you get tired of the flavor. Like if I'm drinking, I just want like either a beer or a vodka soda or like something basic. Yeah, very simple. Like I don't want a lot of, if I'm drinking a lot of it. If I'm having one, I can maybe do one Loverboy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But when they're partying all weekend and I see them can after can, I'm like, oh, that's disgusting. Also, I'm going to say something nasty or rude. Here we go. What did you just hit? You'll have to listen about that. The branding is upsetting to me. It's just like millennial nightmare branding, and I don't like it. And I think the merch was cute because oftentimes it kind of ignored the branding of the actual can and packaging itself and sort of just did its own thing creatively. And I don't want to – I like – if I'm going to drink a canned drink, I want to feel like chic, like holding the can. I feel so sexy with a Diet Coke in my hand. Totally. It's because the branding is like clean and classic and sexy. I don't feel that way about Loverboy. It's very neon. It's a lot going on. You know what Bethany had said? What did she say? She's always got something. There's this one account that breaks down every... I guess they'll be like, Bethany posted 15 TikToks today. Is it that guy? It's a guy, yeah. She hates him. Does she? Yeah. He goes on there and he's like, Bethany posted 15 TikToks today. She deleted five of them immediately. It makes her sound so crazy. But anyway, she was saying like expanding too much. And that was the other thing with Loverboy. It was like, it felt like there's too many flavors coming out all the time. And maybe that was strategic. But for me as a consumer, it just was like, I don't know which one do I even get? Like, I don't, if I wanted to try it for the first time, it's like, I don't know. They have non-alc now. They have THC ones. Then they have all these different flavors. They got a sweet tea. Then they got a lemonade. Then they got. And so I wouldn't even know what's the flagship. Like what is your, if I'm trying this for those, I'm not editing that out. Um, if I'm trying this for the first time, what do, what do, what do I get? No, I think you really need to like, I just got two texts. Like as I was saying that one sentence about summer house, there's no news. I just got two texts of like, what's going on. What do you think? People keep coming to me and I'm like, I don't know. Um, I'm so, but I am on a microphone at this current moment trying to act like I know literally trying to entertain people while we figure it out too. I feel like you need to like nail, sorry, back to lover boy. You need to like nail your hero product and then expand. But I felt like the hero product wasn't that impressive to begin with. So then it was kind of like, cool. Maybe I'll like this other flavor better. You saying hero product makes me feel like I'm watching a Bethany tick tock right now. I'm so sorry. No, I like it. Let's take one more quick break and then we're going to come back and we stuff. I actually have other thoughts that I want to get to. We'll be right back. were you attracted to west dressed as mrs doubtfire no but i thought it was funny i guess like people i didn't realize people told him he looked like robin williams all the time i didn't even think that did you um i see it now that people said it but i wouldn't have noticed it on my own huh yeah um did you see amanda posted like a spawn con or maybe it was an interview something for like a weed company today where it's like you know she's really leaning into the weeder and she like had a blunt and she was like midriff showing blunt she's just like a cool girl who just wants to like smoke weed and get drunk and eat food but also she has abs and like isn't that so cool for her i sort of feel like i she's not who i thought she was is that a i don't know what i thought she was but i'm noticing like i don't think i ever had a handle on her personality well I think I think it's kind of like one of those things where Kyle was so often out of pocket that like it kind of eclipsed yeah like her personality to me became a victim of this horrific relationship rather than I guess she had the swimwear thing but that didn't even really stick did it no because I mean like is that around uh yeah I think she just brought it back I think well I think the first one was a collab I don't know if this one's a collab or if it's like actually her own brand now um but she was very like receptive to feedback i will say people weren't super pleased with the first drop but she was like receptive because it was like disintegrating as you put it on or something probably and also it's like the whole thing was like she's gonna make swimsuits for girls with big boobs but like she kind of didn't like it's like she like at the end of the day she's a very thin woman who happens to have big boobs and so it was kind of just like those swimsuits work for thin women and thin women with big boobs but like if you're if you're maybe a curvier woman with big boobs will it still support your big boobs interesting i don't know if that made sense but no i mean boobs in general don't really make sense to me i hate shopping for swimsuits because i have big boobs and it's a nightmare yeah and i have a big butt so it's like buckle up you know when i was a kid i was like a t-shirt in the water kind of kid I had like a very I had a couple years of very chubby childhood years and it was like my body dysmorphia started at that time early, very early and it was like oh I want to wear the t-shirt in the pool. Anyway, it's sad. I had the girl version of that which was I would wear tankinis which is like a tank top bikini but like what's so diabolical about tankinis is they cut you off like at your lower stomach which like who has a flat lower stomach Like I definitely don't. And so it was literally just like a little window for like arguably a little window, one of my most self-conscious areas. So, you know, I'm right there with you. I always like the, the trend of like, you know, from, I don't know if it's like the 1920s or something like men's putting the waist above the little, above the belly button basically, or like right around the belly button to me, that's ideal because it's like, that's my problem area is like right there. And so I always hope and pray that like, that's like a low rise gene. I don't want it. I can't do it. I just feel muffin toppy. Same. Like give me, I want the trend where it's like above the belly button. Yeah. I know you see those like cute videos of like hot guys in the fifties, but they're like swimming. It was ideal. Even if you watch old clips, like Marlon Brando or something. Oh, so hot. You know, the pants, the waist was high and it's like a beater and the pant above the belly button. Ideal. Have you ever heard his natural voice? Yes. It's so like high and pretty. Yeah. And like, he's just so cute and like flirty. I know. He was so handsome. I know. So handsome. Any other thoughts about Summer House stuff? I just, I worry for the future. I also, I will say, I think if this ends up being true, I do think Sierra is going to leave the show. Yeah. But do you think Kyle would? No. You know, when I, I was trying to grill Kyle about watch at Watch What Happens Live. And I think this might have been off air, but I think he wants like another season. Because I think this season, maybe it's not good for him, right? Yeah. And I think he wants another season. So although they're doing In the City, I think they all maybe could want another season of Summer House. Redemption season. Yeah. Do you think they're going to pick up cameras again? Do you think they are right now? I think they might be right now. I do think they might be right now. I have chills. Because there's no one in which they wouldn't. Well, there's also this rumor, Dumois posted this too, of like, the network is like going to cancel it or something. But I think that's like the opposite of what would happen. I don't think there's any way. But I do think they're scrambling because allegedly my take is, and I've said on the podcast before, is that they'll like lead into, they will lead into from Summer House into the city. So basically, like, they'll be Kyle or whoever will be at Summer House, and then we'll see him drive into the city, and that'll launch the city. I think that's probably what'll happen. And this throws a wrench in that, because I had imagined they already have that done, edited, ready to go. And so how do – I was thinking about this yesterday, actually. Like, this is kind of a nitty-gritty thing, but, like, how do they edit that? How do they edit this all into it then? Because then you can't really do that seamless transition. It doesn't make sense. Right. maybe they, one of the options I was thinking is like, maybe this gets tacked on to in the city at the end of that season, or they're going to have to do some inception style timeline where it's like the finale opens with this stuff and then we go backwards and then they love doing that. Yeah. Cause there's going to have to be editors a raise. There's going to have to be some sort of reediting because that's how I would imagine in the city. Do you think if there's any truth to what Dumois posted about Bravo, like scrambling for contingency plans and stuff in the event that this ends up being true? Do you think Bravo would scramble to find another show for Sierra to be on if she wanted to be? Or do you think they would just let her walk? I think she would. She could be on In the City. Isn't she going to be? No. Oh, she's not. No. I think they would keep Sierra on Summer House and keep Amanda on The City. Right? Because the man is already in the city. What about West? Still in Summerhouse. I mean, I think they would either. I don't think Sierra would cohabitate with that man. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I mean, like, because I think it's like, whatever Sierra wants to do. I mean, they're not going to, like, give her a whole show. No, no, no. And she doesn't fit in. They are starting. I did just hear a rumor that there's, like, another New York show that, like, is in the works or something. That's sort of like a. I don't know if this is even past or got picked up or anything, but I did hear they're either doing one or filming a pilot or something like that of another New York show that's not Housewives, so it's not that age. I mean, the truth is, Sierra could sort of fit in with Roni. True. Like age-wise because they skewed that lower, even though that's a flop show. We don't need her there. I know. She deserves better. She's too old, I think, for In the City. Or, I mean, um next gen she'd be like why am i with all these children yeah so i don't know yeah i don't know either i have a thought she already did a reality show in la and put us on it well there you go i don't know that would you want to be on reality tv no i don't think so i think i'm too scared i would just want to be a friend i always think it'd be fun to be a friend friend of yeah like just to be in a confessional and like talk shit and then i know like i don't want to get in the mix but then the reunion yeah i would want to be a friend of because you could talk shit and then people online would be like you're so funny oh my god that one-liner was great i agree with you but then you don't have to show up for the reunion where people are like, why the fuck did you say that about me? I think the front level is perfect. They are doing the next gen LA though. But then it's like, I was seeing some of the cast for it. I'm like, I don't give a flying fuck about it. It was, it was like, how Richard's daughter, like, I'm sorry. They've tried to make the God bless them, but they've been trying a hundred shows to make them happen. And it's not going to happen. They did a Netflix show. They've been on Beverly Hills housewives. They're not interesting. unfortunately I'm sure they're wonderful and they're beautiful but there's some people it's like they're not made for reality TV they don't pop off the page I'm like enough with that family I actually don't want Kyle on Beverly Hills anymore to me she's sucking out all the air of that show and so then we're going to give the daughters a hundred shows I have fatigue I want the wild things on I know that's fascinating to me but I do get frustrated with in the reality TV ecosphere or whatever. Like I'm totally fine. Even with Sierra or Amanda or any of them, I'm not attached to any of them that I need them to get on another show or anything. Like if this is the end of the road for this trio of people, like great, they went out with a pain. I'm okay not seeing them again. Even I felt differently with Skandoval. I was like, God, people are gonna yell at me for saying this. But even with Sandoval, it's like he's kind of like such a mess that I want him on another reality. You know, like, I kind of am interested, I hate to say that, but I'm kind of interested in seeing him be a mess elsewhere. Yeah. Like, I don't know that I'm so interested in West, Amanda, or Sierra that it's like, I need them in 100. I don't care if they go on or not. Well, I think, like, I think grand scheme of life, they all seem pretty, like, stable for reality TV. Like, I don't think they gave us the level of mess that Sandoval did. I mean, obviously, like, Amanda and Kyle have had some, like, really insane fights. sierra's gotten into it with people before but as far as like consistent mess and chaos like sandoval is in a league of his own yeah like they don't really and honestly the blueprint really should be ariana if anything it's like i'd like to see sierra go host she's been hosting anyway it's like go host a show or something like that she would be great um joel can booster hosted love island or love hotel or whatever and i think like that would be a great outlet for sierra if joel doesn't because i know joel's on scrubs now um so it's like that would be interesting to me i could definitely see her going the ariana route where it's like route route hello or she'd be great as the bachelorette but go ahead yeah right where she like hosts and then she like that will lead to like some speaking roles on some stuff like i could definitely see her having like like the way that um there's rumors that like page is gonna have a cameo and devil wears prada too like i could see sierra doing stuff like that so yeah and then amanda could sit on in the city west stays on summer house and then it's like yeah they all kind of win out of it yeah that's true i don't know how kyle and amanda do in the city i don't understand that that i need to watch yeah because then i'm like is kyle going to be able to like spin this straw into gold and be like yes even though i was a diabolical terror now you all feel bad for me that was something i wanted to ask you like do you think kyle's going to be able to flip this like public perception of him in a positive way because i kind of think he will i'm not saying that's a good thing or i agree with that but i think it'll happen sometimes i feel so fucking stupid as like a bravo viewer because like i'll be so mad and something will happen it's like squirrel and then i just like look in the other direction forget and like i have friends who are so smart about being like but never forget that in season two that's how i feel about carl yeah i feel like everyone sort of just forgot that carl was like a nightmare and yes i understand he was like abusing substances and going through a tough time and everything but i'm like do are we all just sort of now he's like a puppy dog and people treat him like a puppy dog and i'm not saying he doesn't seem sweet and everything now and has growth and change but i kind of think like i'm not forgetting like kind of the messy carl everybody else is forgetting the messy carl and you're like i'm here to tell you that man was messy yeah i will be interested to see how kyle flips this i i will say i think like i think kyle definitely apologized for the way he treated amanda like as soon as it aired it seemed like everything was fine with them by the time this even aired i think the reunion is going to be really telling as far as how Kyle can or cannot spin this in his favor I think I could see him kind of laying low and like shutting the fuck up about it and just letting the audience kind of run with it which is what he should do I think that's kind of what he's doing. I think the most he's engaged with this is like, obviously he was asked on Watch What Happens Live when you were there. And then he responded to a two judgy girls like thread about, they're like, no one gives a shit about how Kyle feels. And he like posted like a hand raising emoji with a crying emoji. But he also posted a picture of him and Sierra together, which I thought was like a little cryptic. Oh yeah. And then the location tag was psych ward. And then the song he put with it was about like finding people who are there for you. The thing that I think he's smarter about than like maybe a Tom Sandoval was is like Kyle, even with his post where he apologized to Amanda for how he treated her last week on the, on the episode, it just felt like a, the right kind of apology. It was just like, yeah, I was so, I was dumb or whatever. I forget the exact wording, but it was just like taking ownership of the behavior and not with like a but. Like I feel like Tom Sandoval would always, I can't remember back to that time, but I always felt like it was, it was always a sorry. Oh, but she did this. Yeah, no, truly. Do you think Sandoval should be on the Valley? No, I'm so tired of him. I'm so excited for that show to come back though. I need it. Yeah. Injected in my veins. I need the darkness. I really want to see Brittany date. Like that's what I'm most excited about by that show. I know. Which I don't think a lot of people are that excited about it, but I want to just see her have a date night. Date night. I mean, give that woman a date night. Yeah, like, I think it'll be funny. I don't know. I kind of, like, more than anything, I'm just excited to see Britney without the baggage of Jax. Like, even if she ends up being a nightmare, like, I think that'll be fun to watch. It is a nightmare. Whatever we get from her. I don't want to talk about it because she's Southern. Whatever we get from her, like, I'll have some laughs. I also... She's hilarious. I love watching Britney because it's fun to do the Kentucky accent, which I do lovingly. Like my mother-in-law lives in Kentucky, like family, we have family in Kentucky. So it's, it's all good. But, um, yeah, I, I like, I'm excited to watch Brittany. Brittany has like a lot of pent up anger. Um, and she always has, I don't think it's all as a result of Jack's like she, I think there is like that like country girl in there who like is dying to pull someone's hair and like get in a bar fight. You know, I just saw somebody post the clip of, remember that when she found the faith recording and they're all like wasted, you know, and I saw the recording rotten hell. And somebody says, um, I think it was James says like something about says the word sweetheart. She's like, I am a sweetheart. That's like her thesis statement is like her angrily yelling. I am a sweetheart. Brunkenly slurring. I am a sweetheart. And it's like, that's, that's Brittany. It is. It's like, that's what I want to see. Even watching her date. I'm like, Oh, well she's going to try to be a sweetheart. But then we know underneath there's like this other layer. There's a darkness. Yeah. But then she on camera always presents like as a sweetheart. I know. I love that. I love when she can't harness her rage and it just like bursts out. I am a sweetheart. I am a sweetheart. Also, when she was like, knock him the fuck out. Yeah. When Sandoval brought up her homophobic pastor. Oh, yeah. Also, I'm excited for Jesse Lally's girlfriend, Lacey, and Michelle Sagnier. Oh, yeah, yeah. To get in the mix. Me too. Because I think Lacey, like, I love that she's coming in. Like, people are already side-eyeing her because she was so anti last season. And all of a sudden, she's getting her own storyline or whatever. Right? And I haven't watched the premiere yet. but they did have um remember last season the finale like lacy jesse's whatever oh wait i think there was an update um okay you look up the update and i'll tell this story oh my god there was um something wait wait what's oh my god what's happening they posted a joint statement what's happening hold on matt turn on the fan oh my god what's the statement read it oh my god we've seen the growing online speculation. So while this is all still very new, we wanted to provide some clarity. It was never our intention to purposely hide anything. Given the complicated relationship dynamics involved and the scrutiny that comes with being on a reality show, we needed a little space to process things privately before speaking on it. We've shown up for each other as friends over the years through all the highs and lows. And what's developed recently was the last thing either of us expected. Our connection grew out of genuine longstanding friendship, which made it especially important for us to approach this with care. As our feelings evolved, we wanted to take time to understand exactly what we were feeling. We also recognize that this has had an impact beyond just us and never wanted our actions to cause any hurt or be perceived as careless. We truly appreciate the understanding and respect as we navigate this. Wow. I am sweating. I have the fucking chills. So it's real. Who posted that? Amanda and Wes. Amanda and Wes to their stories. Wow. Okay. This happened at the perfect time. Someone just messaged me, Matt, get the fan. I know. I got a bunch of texts all of a sudden. I just got a bunch of texts. I got some texts. Say it again. I got some texts. It's happening. Okay, we got to break this down. Sit tight, little bear. Okay, so it's true. So we just did an hour speculating, and now it's true. Honestly, I'm so glad that we... We'll never forget where we were when we saw that. No, this was real. So it is real. Wow. So I'm glad they finally said something. Holy shit. And sounds like it's actually like a relationship, right? Yeah. I mean, I was sort of in shock as you were reading that statement, but... They're in love. I need to hear everyone's reaction now. I need to know how's Sierra taking this? How long? How long? It didn't say how long. It didn't say how long, did it? No. Wow, wow, wow, wow. Wowie, wowie. When was the first, when did it first happen? This is going to be great for the show. When did it first happen? Everyone's going to be combing through the episode this week and next week. And they still have like a handful of episodes left. And now aren't you looking at even last week on the show with West sort of sticking up for Amanda? Right. Remember, he was like the only one who was like, I'm going to go check on her. and then he goes and this week on the show he's like i gotta talk to kyle about this so it's like was that leads that sort of makes me feel like there was a connection then i know last summer and people are posting clips of him always being like super handsy with her and her being handsy with him and him like picking her up do you think ben the flirting with ben was like her way of herring the red herring i don't know if you feel like i mean no she might be i don't know if she's that like calculated i guess is what i'm saying yeah what do you think I was going to say, do you think out of the men on Summer House, who do you think can get it up the best? Probably West. Because I feel like, don't you sometimes feel like, I've said this on my podcast, but like, I know we're whispering. I know. Because I feel like it's an inappropriate thing to speculate on, but you know what? We're here. Too late. Sorry. Apologies in advance. But I always feel like a lot of the men, I'm like, I don't, I think they'd be good at sex. But I do think West actually might be unfortunately unfortunately yeah i'm not supportive of his actions at this moment no oh my god danny i'm bereft so i mean i guess i don't know i even know how do we end this like is this where do we go from here where do we go from here is the truth i mean we speculate on sort of where the cast goes and now i guess our opinions aren't changing because we thought it was real and now we're getting confirmation that was real confirmation i do like being right that's one of my great joys in this life. I feel bad that I wasn't right. That's okay. It's like that time of Scandaval when the week before Scandaval happened, I was on my podcast singing Tom's praises. And I was like, he's, I was like, he's really sweet guy. Like, you're married. And then it was like two days later, Scandaval happened. And people were like, Danny, I'm listening to your podcast from this week. And you were like going on and on and on. Well, I think that's the other thing too, is you probably get this more than me, but like, I think sometimes people think that because we're sort of like in the like bravo content creator sphere that we like have secret intel or that we're like super close that we have all these contacts it's like i purposely try not to be icarus and i try not to fly too close to the sun because when i have historically it's like been so much drama that i just like physically can't take it so i try not to get too close to anyone because then i don't feel like i can have fun as a commentator um so towing that line is hard but yeah i do always try to share the information that i know in like a respectful and cryptic way because I do often find out things, not even just from cast members, like sometimes from cast members, whatever. And I don't ever want to spoil a show because I think these shows are fun to watch. Totally. But people who listen to my podcast often will say like, oh, you were right about this thing. And sometimes I'm like, yeah, because I knew about it and I didn't want to outright say it. Yeah, I mean. There was even a couple of things I've said on this episode that we just did that I'm like, I kind of shared things in a cryptic way. Wink, wink. Wink, wink. I felt like before we started recording, I told you, I was like, I feel like at this point I have like 15 friends in the Bravoverse who like have confirmation from someone. Yeah. See, this was a situation where I didn't actually have any knowledge. Like this was a situation I was like, I didn't, I kind of went back and forth a hundred times. At first I didn't believe it. And then. Yeah. Within the last like 48 hours, I think I got more and more confirmation. Going back to what we talked about at the beginning with Kyle. I really believe he's in shock about this because just after doing Watch What Happens Live with him, I don't think he – I really, in my heart and soul, do not believe that he had knowledge of this. But I could be wrong. What do I know? He could have been – but I do feel like this is going to be a surprise to him. There's nothing worse, though, than the betrayal of like – Not that he's – he's not the victim in this either, by the way. I'm talking about Sierra specifically. Yeah, Sierra. there's nothing worse than like a close girlfriend of yours like sneaking around with a guy you like behind your back like it's because it's like of course like fuck west that wasn't nice of him to do but from girlfriends you just expect more and you expect a different any friend you just should not you should not like go find another man or something like it's not worth it's i just think it's cheap and it's very restaurant culture coded yeah like you don't you could find somebody else go fuck jesse or someone anyone else anyone else it's like i just think like i hope sierra is okay but like that kind of like shock, like that kind of betrayal and experiencing that so publicly, like it really hurts. And I hope that she's hanging in there. I will say like, like best case scenario is like the whole internet's like going to rally behind her. The whole cast is rallying behind her. Like there's no world in which Amanda and West is good. Like, I don't think, do you think everyone's going to obviously turn on Amanda and West, right? I think so. Like how did, yeah. I don't know where they, I feel like they're going to be the ones. I hate to yeah I feel like they're not gonna come out of this well did you ever see that Jennifer Lawrence movie Mother um no it's really fucked up I put it on once it was like not for me well there's a scene where like this house full of people just starts like kicking the shit out of her and being like and I'm like that's how it feels when someone in the Bravoverse does something wrong where the whole internet is just gonna be like monster and I hope I mean with both Amanda and West I think that will happen it will unfortunately but I hope everyone is like not as brutal. I know. It's like, it's hard because it's like, I, you know, I've talked to you about this, like, I'm trying to learn the line of like, how do I comment on these things in a way that's like, not something that I can't take back. That's really going to like, fuck with someone's feelings or fuck with their life. And like, I want to like, have fun with it, with everyone else and comment on it. But like, I do think people need to remember there is a line, like I, these are still people. And we'll all probably cross it. We probably already have, but I'm just saying like, you know, they're going to get like death threats and stuff yeah i don't want that i don't that's where i kind of worry that's why don't dox them don't threaten them like chill out and i think if anything what we should do is like celebrate sierra yes and and yeah and we can still sort of hate the other ones but but yeah i just don't i want i just because i imagine it would be such a mind fuck i think sister circle though i think it's like let's hate on them like on these airwaves but maybe let's not like be trolls in the comments that's like my personal boundary yeah like this is a personal space yeah this is sister circle this is great mugs like yeah like we're here we're here together we're here between us girlfriends yeah so everything we stay stays between us yeah so yeah but yeah i but but again they shouldn't have done that i mean it's like really sneaky it's sneaky of amanda who do you think it's sneakiest of amanda i think so i think amanda and i know people are gonna be like oh my god why are you always so mean to women i'm like because girl betrayal hits different guys are simple creatures respectfully amanda like especially straight men very simple creatures amanda like it's like girl you knew that was fucked up also danny this is such a missed opportunity but but yeah what i think the other thing that maybe we're not hold on i want to hear that thought but the other thing that maybe we didn't mention is like west and sierra also had a very close i feel like maybe even closer than amanda and he keeps saying that this season of like we were really close closer than anyone knows so you know it actually might be as i'm talking through it it's Like maybe him betraying Sierra even more. Yeah, because that's the other thing too. The other thing that's pissing me off that I'm seeing online is people downplaying the relationship that West and Sierra had. Where they're like, oh, it was never that serious. I'm like, I think it was. And obviously it really hurt Sierra. He said that in a confessional this season. Yeah. Just maybe last week or something. He's like, people don't really know how close we were. Yeah. And as the season's been airing, it's like they went to the Super Bowl with a group of people. Everyone's been shipping them all over again. She's been kind of giving him more chances. and then this is what he does with that extra chance. I'm actually more pissed at Wes now. What was the thing that you were going to say? I was going to say this is a missed opportunity to go, Caught! Caught! We got you! We got you! I'm getting all of these texts. What is Amanda thinking? Somebody just texted. Oh my God, what's happening? I'm getting so many texts. I really hope the listeners enjoyed being on this journey with us because God knows it was a roller coaster. I know. I feel like I need to throw up. I need a cigarette. I need a cigarette. Matt, get the Marlboro Lights. Hey, Amber, go get my smokes. Get the smokes. I need a fresh heater and some cigs. Yeah, I don't know where we go from here. But you know what? The show's going to be. This is going to help in the city. This is going to help Summer House. That's showbiz. That's showbiz. And unfortunately, Bravo, I hope they learn their lesson and don't completely recast the show like they did with Vanderpump Rules. ratings were through the roof with vanderpump rules and they were like let's reboot it it's like what the fuck were you thinking don't touch it like what the fuck i know it was like stale towards the end and i get creatively but it's way worse now and nobody's watching so like and from a business mind it's like how fucking dumb were you all to reboot vanderpump rules when the ratings were like through the roof even in that last again i know it was like the cast didn't want to film with each other and stuff it's like we'll still figure it out because look at how the audience just went away so if summerhouse does this whole thing we're like oh well they can't film together so we're just going to completely recast. It's like everybody's just going to leave the show. So don't fuck around with it that much. Don't touch it. Make some changes if you got to. If you got to get rid of Levi, so be it. Okay, so there had to be casualties. Levi's gone. We know that. We knew that. Just going back to Levi for a second, when we'll wrap this up. She fucking played it wrong because look at Weston, Amanda. So she must have known. Levi should have released a statement first because then she could have been in the mix. now she now she's just no chance for her being in the mix unless she comes out with maybe other interesting receipts but that could have saved her ass and she's fucked now could have saved her ass superstar suicide all right hannah anything else you want to say before we go this was a long episode but you know what it was important i think people will appreciate it follow me at hannah aaron brown aaron spelled like a boy across platforms thank you all and i'm at danny pellegrino get my books wherever books are sold and uh i do those patreon recaps which I mentioned, if you want Sex and City, I do one a month for $4 more per month. Just go to Patreon, P-A-T-R-E-O-N slash Everything Iconic, and you can get access to those. Again, just one a month. And then also you can go to everythingiconic.store. We have merch available. And anything else? Oh, and I have a podcast called Not Aspirational. Check it out if you feel so inclined. We didn't get to talk about Love Story. Did you like the finale? Give Constance Simmer the Emmy. Yeah, she was so good. So was the Meryl's daughter. Of course, Meryl's daughter fucking left no crumbs. But I will say the rewriting of what that plane ride actually looked like was probably for the best because it would have been really hard to stomach like what it was actually like. But they were not getting along when that plane went down as a longtime CBK fan. Unfortunately, watching it all the way through made me think like these two probably shouldn't have been together. No, it was toxic. I did like how the finale focused more on like Constance and Meryl's daughter. I agree. Like I thought that was a smart move because we all knew it was coming. And then I was like, Oh, that was more interesting to God. I mean like just the, the loss they both suffered. Horrible. A lot of people have been saying we need a show of like the Calvin Klein offices in the nineties. And I would love that. I would love that. It could be fictional. Like we don't have to be, but I'm going to say right here, right now, I don't want Ryan Murphy to do it. Right. Like enough. I don't want Ryan Murphy slop. I thought love story was amazing. I think most of what he does is slop. Well, the problem is a lot of his stuff. It like starts really good. And then, and then it, but, But the love story finale, I thought was really good. It was, I would say, one of the best episodes of the season. Because the one before that was like a slow burn. And it was really boring and depressing. I didn't like it. I just want like the needle. I like the 90s needle drops. Yes. People looking hot. And then like some drama. And we need the 90s Calvin Klein show. Yeah. Love you, Hannah. Okay. You'll come back again and we'll do a great next episode where we just talk about nonsense. This was all about Summer House. Love you all so much. Bye. Oh, and I should also mention, I'm going to be releasing another episode later. this week with Bravo stuff, hopefully. So that's the plan. So I know we covered Summer House, but there's a lot of other stuff going on. Rhode Island Housewives is coming this week. Atlanta's starting on Sunday. I don't know exactly. The Valley's starting this week. So we got a lot of other shows going on. So I'm going to try to pick up the microphone and cover some of them later this week. But for now, I bid you do. Thank you for listening to Everything Iconic. Bye-bye. Love you all. Bye. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 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