Offseason Plans, Wildcard Preview & Matt Damon on Brady, Affleck Bromance & Career Odyssey | EP 174

How do you think their pages will do in the playoffs? Are you guys so spoiled that it's like, if they don't win the football, you guys are gonna be upset? No, no, no. Not at all. This is a new team, right? And I think this is like found money for us, right? Like I feel like it's from the rip. You guys bustin' up in the wall and you've got a quarterback! $20 million quarterback sittin' in the wall! He broke in and took a sledgehammer and there with Drake May. Welcome back to new Heights, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, 92% of us from all over a one-dry show brought to you by Intuit Turbo Tax. Oh, it's starting to get the taxis, baby. Don't forget to pay your taxes. Unfortunately, they will knock on the door and you do need to pay them. I'm Travis Kelsey. This is my big brother, Jason Kelsey, got a Cleveland Heights, so Ohio, shout out to the Tigers and shout out to those Bearcats, baby. Subscribe on YouTube, one-dry plus wherever you get your podcasts and follow the show on all social media, at New Heights, show with one-dry for fun clips throughout the week. I am officially jobless, Jason. Actually, this is my only job. Well, no, you're still employed unless you stop playing. Have you announced you're stopped playing? This is the only company that apploys me right now. Not to be said, you got a great episode coming up. We're gonna recap everything that happened in the final week of the regular season as well as dive into these upcoming Wild Card weekend games. We're about excited for some playoffs. playoffs! You know what I'm excited for? That fucking demon that's right, he's coming in the back. That's right. We got him, we got Will, we got Jason Bourd, we got one of the most iconic actors of this generation. He's gonna come, we're gonna make you wait for it. He'll be after we talk a little bit of football, but you're gonna get through with us, all right? We can just so you know, we can't wait for Matt either. All right. Here we go. Let's start off with what we always started off with. Lubin then, new news. New news. New news is brought to you by American Express. Okay, update from the Amazon holiday giving initiative. This holiday season over 3000, Operation Breakthrough Families in KC were provided with gifts in essential needs. That's right. How about that? Well done. Thank you to all the 92% and our friends, of course, at Amazon, well done Amazon. It's awesome man. Well done 92% because of everyone involved with this entire initiative, 3000 Operation Breakthrough families have had something around the holidays, which I mean, if that's not the Christopher spirit, I don't know what is. And for the third time Travis Kelsey has won the Nationwide Walter Payton Man of the Year charity challenge. About it, man. Every year each team nominates one player to be there, Walter Payton Man of the Year. When you get nominated, there is a fan vote that happens on socials and on the internet. And if you win that, you win the charity challenge. You're the only player to win the charity challenge each time they've been nominated. Yeah, it's Chiefs Kingdom, baby. As the club's Walter Payton Man of the Year, shout out to Chiefs Kingdom, shout out to the 90%ers. Operation Breakthrough also drops some throwback picks here. Because you've been involved there for a while. Oh, we've been doing this since. Look at these folks. They're getting in my career, yeah. The young Travis Kelsey right here. There you go. Oh yeah, in the muffler shop. And then, the early days, man. Oh my gosh, it's so funny seeing some of these pictures. The original Robotics Lab that 87 run in my foundations helps support that robot right there. You see that young girl? Yeah. And now she is like one of the high school kids that are now have been using Operation Breakthrough and all its resources for a while. So it's cool to see some of these familiar faces grow into high school kids and kind of. That's awesome. Yeah, it's awesome, man. And one of my first foundation events I used to do a walk-to-walk, he used to be a fashion show. They used to put on some of the boutiques and the kids over at Operation Breakthrough got to walk in it. So shout out to everyone over at OB. You know, I was know how much I love you and how much you guys mean to me. And it just means everything that 90% is and she's came out there to help support that. And it's all to make these kids right here happy and proud of where they come from. Well, just so you guys know, everything for the nationwide Walter Payton Man of the Year charity challenge goes to support Operation Breakthrough. So you guys are awesome. Thank you so much. So thank you to everybody who voted for Travis and who has helped Operation Breakthrough out. It's a fantastic organization in Kansas City. They do so many things for these kids and families. So well done, everyone. And that wraps up new news. Which has brought to you once again, by American Express. Let's move on to some bold topics to wrap up week 18 in the NFL. Wow, week 18. I forgot we even had 18 weeks. It was a 17 game season. Bold topics are brought to you by KMC. We got some snackers from famous KFC bowls. All right, here we go. Chiefs 12 Raiders 14. What are your thoughts on the season, Trevor? What are your closing sentiments from this chief season? You know, it was a tough season. Obviously ended even worse because my guy, one five went down and we finished this season with a lot of starters kind of being banged up. So we had to make sure our guys that were getting their first taste of what the NFL has to offer, which is fun. But it definitely has its challenges. And it's a tough way to go out, especially with the amount of success and the standard that you hold yourself and the team to go into the season and throughout the season. And you try and look back on it right away and you try and learn from it and maybe even try and figure out where it all went wrong and how you could have been better on certain situations. And it's just a shitty feeling and a shitty way to try and navigate one of the things you do. You love to do the most and that's Play Football. And I just appreciate everybody that was in that building and that was on the field of the past three, four weeks when we knew we really didn't have much to play for other than the love of the game and the pride and the honor that comes with playing in the NFL. But I just appreciate everybody that was out there giving it their all and putting their body on the line and made it as good as we could have gone into the last week and in the end of the season. You know, there's nothing worse than not making the playoffs. It is very frustrating. You guys have done it, especially when you guys have done it so much. It's absolutely crazy. And you guys obviously should be very proud of that. But that doesn't make any... It actually probably hurts more, how to assume. Yeah, it's kind of an embarrassing feeling. But you know, you keep it moving, man. You keep it moving. And I'm still a fan of the game and I still love the game. So I'll be tuned in throughout the playoffs to see how this thing shakes out over the next couple of weeks. And yeah, get to be around some friends and family in January instead of trying to figure out how to win some playoff games. The season did not come without you guys winning some things, especially you, Travis, with some records being broken. Let's have a little reminder, since you love talking about records so much and stats, all right. Hey, hey, hey. You became the third Titan ever with 13,000 receiving yards. The fastest to ever accomplish that feat. Guys in front of you, of course, another Kansas City legend, Tony Gonzalez, who... GG. I mean, absolutely insane. How many years Tony has? No, it's absolutely insane as your eyes. Fucking silly. Yeah. And then obviously Jason Witton down in Dallas, Travis the third one to get over the 13,000 yard marker, which is a very fitting number, I think. You also passed T.O. for eighth most receptions in NFL history. Do you know that? Yes. I've known all they asked me about all this stuff after the game. So that's how I really know. That's crazy. I didn't know you were eighth of receptions just period. That's awesome. Yeah. And then you dials me up. I don't know what else to say. I don't think... Cody, when he puts together game plan, he features me. And I'm very fortunate to that. And I'm fortunate that in my 13th year, he was still trusting me to try and win him some ballgame. So shout out to coach for helping me accumulate some of these yards he catches. Well, another record is you are now tied with Tim Brown for the longest streak of seasons with 75 plus receptions at 10. That's a lot of time. That's about 100%. Yeah. That's a little brown step. Shout out to Tim Brown though. Now that the season is over, what is next for the big Yeti? Every season adds for me. I put my feet up and I just be a human because I've been putting my body through the ringer for the love of it. I do enjoy playing football and the physical aspect of it. I think there's something about feeling the wear and tear of the football season to just fucking getting ready for a game and knowing that your body is fucking beat down. I think there's something to it. It makes you just feel like a main g-animal that just is fucking out here just fine and away to survive. And I just fucking love that shit. But yeah. I think just being a regular human for a couple of weeks, maybe a month or so and trying to figure out what I'm going to do next in terms of my future in football. And I think I've talked to a few people in the facility already having the exit meetings and everything and they know where I stand, at least right now. And I think there's a lot of love for the game that's still there. And I don't think I'll ever lose that. And I don't know. It's a tough thing to navigate, but at the same time, I think if my body can heal up and rest up, and I can feel confident that I can go out there and give it another 18, 20, 21 week run, I think I would do it in a heartbeat. So I think right now it's just finding that answer and seeing how the body feels after this game and kind of when it all settles down. I'm confused. So you're not already coming back? What? Chris Jones has said that you're coming back. I thought this was already nice. That's why we love Chris. He's very optimistic. This is very optimistic. Chris Jones is code is I'm not buying it. He'll be back next year. But he also followed that up though. He said I can't promise you anything. Nice. There you go. Yeah, let's keep this thing moving. A little Eagles 17, commanders 24. Jason, you want some thoughts on the game? I mean, obviously the Eagles didn't play all their starters, but yeah, I mean, that's the big storyline is obviously the way it worked this past week for the Eagles was if Detroit Beach, Chicago, which did end up happening. And if the Eagles, when the Eagles could have jumped up to the two seed, the Eagles obviously elected to rest their starters because they prioritize the rest going into the playoffs, which I think is right. I mean, if the Eagles could have guaranteed getting the two seed by playing their starters, I think they probably would have played. But because there was this other game that also had to take place, you have the risk of injury. It's kind of outside of your control. The one thing you can control in that situation is making sure your team is rearing and ready to go for week one. And I also, to be honest with you, I felt pretty confident that Eagles back us and beat the commanders. And I think that they should have. They didn't finish the game well. They started off pretty good. Tank Bigsby was running crazy. Now, it's exciting to see Tanner McKee. He's played well in most of his outings with the Eagles. So there's a portion of it. They just wanted to see what some of these backups and young guys could do. But yeah, it looks bad in hindsight. This is one of those things where, you know, because Chicago lost, you know, we got the egg on our face because we didn't play our starters and we could have the two seed most likely if we would have played everybody. But I think of it like this too is like Monday morning quarterback. If they start the starters and one of the premier guys gets hurt and the Lions don't win, then everybody's going to be on Nick Sierriani about what fucking idiot is playing as guys in a game that's meaningless. Damn, if you do, damn you don't. And we were in the same similar situation in 2023, my last year. And the offense was struggling. We really actually had less the game. Like we weren't really playing for anything in that week. If I recall it correctly. And we go out there and we play and what happens? AJ Brown gets hurt and he couldn't play in the first playoff game. Jalen Hertz also got banged up in that game. And I do think that that was also in the back of Nick Sierriani and the Eagles head of like, listen, the last time we played our guys in a game like this in an end of costing us some meaningful people. And we weren't at our best against Tampa Bay. I think at this point in the season, when you get the rest and you have the opportunity to avoid somebody getting hurt and you don't know for certain that playing guys is going to help you, I don't know that it benefits you that much. And at the end of the day, you still got to go through good teams when this rule, like, yeah, if we play, if we're the two seeding, we can guarantee two home games. That is a big deal. That is a big deal. But at the same time, like we're going to have to play great teams regardless. And now we get a week of rest. All of our starters, land in our whole offense line has been so banged up. A lot of those guys got the ability to get healthier. And then we're going to get to place. And now we get San Fran, who just fought their tails off with a juggernauticeaddle. And they're going to be coming to the East Coast. You know, I think if this team is good enough, they're still going to find a way to get it done. I don't think that decision a week 18 is going to determine the outcome of this team. I just think that when we play up to our potential with the defense we have and with the offensive firepower we have, I think we can beat anybody. Well, you guys got the 49ers next week. And I mean, they've been rolling, man. They've been rolling. They had a tough one last week, but did how good is Seattle? That was a crazy game. Dude, Seattle is so long and fast. And those windows just, they're smaller and they close and they're active, man, active. I came away from that game more impressed with Seattle than I was like, oh, San Fran, I'm very good. San Fran's still the gin. I just think the Seattle defense is freaking man. Do they got some dudes over there? Yeah. When with everything that's happened with the 49ers, man, Kyle Shanahan, man, one of the best seasons tip of the cap. You just keep finding ways to fucking win and shout out to the guys that, you know, haven't gotten injured that are fighting through and finding ways to shout out to John Lynch for building a deep roster. And I mean, like to be able to weather all this stuff, you know, if they don't go out and get Mac Jones this off season, they probably they don't what happens in those eight games that brought pretty misses. Who knows, man? All right. Let's get into the rest of the week 18. Good luck to those birds playing the Niners next week, man. I'm be fucking glued to the TV on Sunday when they when they play. But the rest of the week 18 games, Seahawks got the number one seed by beat in the night as we just talked about that. The NFC South had three teams finished eight and nine. Panthers move on due to the tie breakers with the eight nine panthers hosting the 12 and five Rams is a crazy insane thing to think about. I think I remember some some coaches coming out and saying, Hey, if the records better, we deserve the home game. But I kind of think that that will be in the divisions. I win the division. You get you get the home game. I think we don't win the division. You don't get home game. I don't care what the record is. Now the Rams have to go all the way to Carolina. Take that four hour five. Yeah, four and a half hour, five hour trip. It's a play football game. Carolina kind of like smolzed their way into the playoffs. Like like Rodrigo just kind of like Rodriguez bending the jet just sent him out to center field and they just held up their glove like this. And then all of a sudden. And like, smalls, we're in the playoffs. Holy shit. Okay, we're doing this. All right. That's hilarious. Steelers pulled it off against the Ravens. Another fucking just dude. It was actually about awesome. It was an awesome end of the game. Lamarvers Rogers was was a hell of a fucking battle. Lamar and Rogers, especially in the fourth quarter, were freaking on fire. Like every time you thought one of them out did the other one, the other one answered. And it came down to the wire. Lamar got them in position. But yeah, you missed the kick. I mean, it's unfortunate, right? Yeah, it's, it's very unfortunate. And actually Mike, Tomlin had another Mike Tomlin quote about how unfortunate it is. And just how you know that sometimes the ball just doesn't go your way, you know? He says I can quote you. You know how it is missing a field goal. If my aunt had male parts, she'd be my uncle. I wish you would have just said, just say the whole thing. Mike, I don't need you to sugar code it or censor it. Yeah, if my aunt had a dick, she'd be my uncle. That's what that's what the saying is. It doesn't hit the same with the male parts, but it is a great one. It's a banger. And we got the playoff picture. We were just talking about the Eagles playing in San Fran, a host in San Fran, that is being the number three seed. There's going to Carolina, Green Bay at Chicago, the pairs. Hosting a playoff game at Soldier Field. That's epic. Steelers hosting the Texans with the four and five match up Buffalo. It's got to go down to Duval. How about it, man? Those guys are fucking rocking, but you can never count out Josh Allen. And then you got a fun one, man. Two awesome quarterbacks. Love watching both these guys play with Justin Herbert versus Drake May. And they'll be up there in New England playing, man. Which ones are favorite game? Well, the game I'm most excited about is Philly versus San Fran. I did think that's one of the more exciting games in the first round. There's a little bit of an NFC playoff rivalry between you guys for sure. No doubt. We've had a lot of meaningful games really over the last five, six years. Hell yeah. Because we've both been really good. I'm looking forward to all. No, that's why the playoffs are so good. I'll be honest, I still wish it was six teams. I don't like that there's seven teams. I don't like that there's only one by. I think it should be the old structure, but it's still the NFL playoffs. It's still the best thing around. I still love it. I'm looking forward to most of these games. I think the ones that I'm probably San Fran, Philadelphia, they're probably Jacksonville Buffalo. The two, six, three games are probably the most exciting ones. What do you think? What are the games you're most excited about? I mean, the one I just talked about up in New England, I think that's going to be fun as hell to watch Buffalo, Jacksonville game. I'm pretty fucking jacked for. Yeah, I'm interested to see who comes out on top on that one. Do we have a most likely upset? Who do you think's going to lose? That's favorite. I mean, either the four seeds, which that's not an upset though. Are we going upset by seed or upset by seed? Well, then the obvious answer is like L.A. He's going to beat the piss out of fucking Carolina, right? Until that ball just finds the man. It's sometimes you got that angels in the outfield. Luck to you. It just, you know, you got the juice. You got the juice, man. I don't know what to tell you. I think the other one is obviously Houston, vice-pitzburg, Houston's defense is insane. Yeah, that's the one I was going to say. Buffalo is Buffalo out. I can see him winning. Jacksonville is really good, right? They got a lot of fun. They're a lot of fun right now. The one I feel the most confident about is definitely L.A. What team is the most hot going into play? It's got to be Jacksonville. They fucking won their last like seven games or something. Jacksonville has finished the regular season. Hot. That's why that game right now. I'm very much looking forward to watching. Which quarterback will get their first playoff win? I think Maywill. I mean, it's between him and Herbert, I can see. I think Darnelld, I mean, dude, it's hard to bet against Seattle right now. They looked unbelievable against San Fran. That D, I mean, Darnelld looks great too, but that defense is really the one thing that's like, whoa. Seattle's defense is kind of built like a modern day NBA team. Yeah, please. Their nickel is like six three. Bro, he is active too. They were plays kind of open for San Fran, but by the time the ball got there, that distance was just closed. They moved so fast they have range. That's right. They remind me of an NBA, modern NBA team because they're all long. They can cover ground. And I feel like right now everybody's playing this like kind of conservative zone like get back into your hooks. And the way teams are trying to combat that is the short stuff, but then they just break. They break on that stuff so quickly that even when you throw it short, they're on you right now and you don't get much out of it. So they tackle well. It's a very impressive defense. So I don't know if I'm rolling with one, I'm going with the map. Do you have a super bowl dark horse? I mean, it's got to be kind of Jacksonville, right? I just feel like that's the one that's got the energy and has the momentum right now. And I mean, even though there are three seed, which their record shows that they're one of the top teams in the league. It's kind of like they it's unproven yet, you know, you got to see Trevor go out there and really run the table, man. And I think that's probably my dark horse if there is a dark horse. It does feel like the Rams are getting a lot of attention. The Eagles are obviously the defending champions. Seattle everyone is talking about now. And the AFC side everyone's talking about Josh Allen. It's his time like Drake May MVP. Almost nobody really is talking that much about Jack. Like they're the darkest one, but they've actually been playing the most consistent probably. I'm kind of with you on this. I don't think they're going to win, but they are the dark horse. Yeah, we've got a great slate of games this weekend and you can't forget that that that prime video game. That's right. Rebay Packers are playing the Chicago Bears over a soldier stadium. Yeah, I don't remember a playoff game over at soldier stadium and did it a double doing. It's always electric and there's going to be a electric game this Saturday January 10th at 7 30 PM only on prime video. Heal. All right. Well, that wraps up bold topics brought to you by KFC. Hey, oh, let's wrap up some football talk with the stamps of the week. Stamps of the week is brought to you by HBO Max. Check out the pit season two premiering tomorrow at nine Eastern. Does the easiest pick for me? I'm going milescare. I broke the sack record. I mean, anytime somebody breaks a freaking all time season record of sacks, rushing hearts, anything like that, they're going to get the stamp of the week. I don't know how you don't give them the stamp of the week. And he did it. Second, Joe borough, did Joe take a dive? Do we have another? Do we have another gas to know? Let's take a look at this. Did Joe take it out? Joe doesn't strike me as a diving kind of guy. No, he's a competitor. That's a sack. That's a sack. Records is NFL record twenty third sack of the year. Yeah, he didn't fight it, but that's a sack. That's a sack. We'll count it. We'll count it. We'll count it. Shout out to Miles Garrett, man. Absolute fucking legend. Deserves all the praises, Gettin' and congrats on fucking getting 23 sacks. It's crazy, man. Straighthand was commenting on it says, you know, he's got the record in 17 games. I got the record at 16 games. He was doing, he kind of was joking around a bit about it. Yeah. He shows, he shows Miles all the respect as well, man, but for sure. I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go hit home with it, baby. Cleveland Heights own Laila Edwards is heading to the Olympics. That's right. It becomes the first black woman to play for the US Women's National Team. Hell yeah. At the Olympic Games, she's gonna be out there, Milan, supporting or representing the US of A and even cooler, our hometown, Cleveland Heights Ohio. Congratulations, Laila Edwards. That wraps up, stay with the week brought to you by HBO Max and the pit season two, premiering tomorrow night on HBO Max. Now let's get to some mad Damon. Jason, can you do the honors please? I would love to, Trevor. 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I'm fired up to be here. I've been, I actually like for some reason that my Instagram thinks that you're the only thing I ever want to watch. Oh. That's too good. I've seen so much of your stuff just recommended to me. So this is cool. Our guest today is an actor, writer and producer from Cambridge, Massachusetts. Woohoo! He is a two-time gold and gold winner, three times critic choice winner, and an Academy award winner. He is also the 2007 People's Sixiest Man Alive. You know him. Good one hunting the Martian. The Ocean's franchise is the talent of Mr. Ripley, the board franchises, saving Private Ryan, the departed, foreign in for free, air, Oppenheimer. Gosh dang, I was running out of movies. Here we go. And his movie The Rip is on Netflix starting January 16th. 92% is please welcome. Well, how about this? How about them apples? It's Matt Damon. Damon! Thank you guys. That was awesome, Jason. Thank you. I feel like I should run out of the locker room and go hit somebody. That's fucking gold. That's all we're good at. Either doing that ourselves or motivating people to do it, it's all we know. Dude, you're an absolute iconic brother and we can't thank you enough for spending some time. The Rip is unbelievable, man. It is. It is. Thank you guys. I'm fired up. I'm the first people to see it. So this is that's great news. That's great for me to hear. What? Yeah, we haven't shown many people at all. It hasn't come out yet. And this is the first interview I'm doing for it. So this is very, very cool. Alright, I live a fucking dumb life, man. Dude, this movie is ridiculous, man. It had me on the edge of my seat the entire time and it's based off of the lack of the facts or based off of the true story. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It starts with a true story and then we take dramatic license from there. But there are these, this program in Miami where they take tips to go get money that's kind of, they seize money that's got from it by like, Ilgott and Gaines, like drug money and stuff like that. And so they'll hit these houses. They have dogs that don't smell for drugs. They just smell for money and they have these teams that go seize this stuff. And one of the rules down there is you got to count it on site just to make sure that none of it ends up in anybody's pocket and that everybody's on the up and up. And so they count it and they're very, very serious about it. And there was one of these ones that they went on where they were expecting to find a couple hundred grand and there was over $20 million in the wall to this house. So that's kind of where our movies about that, like it's about this team of people, but you already know there are rumblings that there might be some corruption or there might be some bad apples who are working with people outside. And then they go in and they find this $20 million and they know it's cartel money. So they're like, oh my god, they're going to come back for it. And so it turns into that kind of, you know, like a thriller where they're, where they're, they know they got to, they got to stay on site, but they know that the site is kind of compromised. Yeah, absolutely. When do you first get pissed about this or is this, are you at the point now that this is your baby? Like, how did you get involved with this? So Ben and I have a studio, like an artist's equity and, and so we're small, but we, but we're kind of a full service studio. And so people are starting to become aware of that and coming to us with projects. And this came to us through Joe Conahan, who he directed, NARC a long time ago, a movie The Grey, he directed a bunch of movies, yeah, Ben did Smoking Aces with him actually, about 15 or 20 years ago. So we've known Joe for a really long time. And he just sent this over to us and we read it and we were like, this is great. We'd love to make it. And then as we kind of, we're working on it with Joe, we were kind of like, well, why don't we just all do it together? We're all old friends and we were like, this would be really fun. And, and so that, that's kind of how, how this one came to pass. Yeah. It's fantastic. And the way it all comes together at the end and the armored vehicle and like, you guys, that is like cinema, dude. It's so fucking cool, man. And you got to say, in the movie, you convince Ben to go after a large sum of money. Well, you guys think it's a smaller sum of money and ends up being larger. What's the dumbest thing as lifelong friend you've convinced Ben to do in your friendship? Oh, my God. Oh, my God. That's a great question. Man, I got, our whole life is a stupid, we, we were like 14 and 16 years old and we were going to New York auditioning, taking the bus and going down there. Literally, the journey would take us seven hours to get there. We'd walk in and we called it getting okay, thanks because you do an audition. You do the best you could and the person would just go, okay, thanks. And five minutes, you're out the door and you're back on the bus going like, I don't think that went too well. You know, like, so our whole life is bit, I mean, if you, the odds of it working out were were so long against and working out for both of us. Like, I don't, I mean, God, we've done so much stupid shit in our lives. But the whole idea was kind of dumb to begin with, I think. That's, yeah. I mean, it's amazing, really. And what point did you guys realize that like, what was your first big break that you knew we were going to be able to do this? Well, it's tough to say big break because I think we thought every break like the first, like we got a TJ Max commercial and we were like, this is it, man. Let's go. No, look at it. Let's go. And then, you know, and then we started to get little parts and we started to get bigger parts. But we were getting told by casting directors and stuff. We'd go in and read and they'd go, you're not right for this. But you should keep going. So we were getting kind of signals that we were in the right, you know, area code. But then like when we saw good real hunting, when we saw the screenplay, that we thought that was absolutely it. And we were like broke a year later, you know, really? Yeah. After that. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, not broke broke. I mean, but like here, I'll put, I mean, I guess, so we sold the screenplay for 600 grand, right, which was just so much more money than either of us had ever considered. Yeah, it was like, which we split, right? And then, but after taxes and agent lawyer and all that stuff, yeah. So now, now we're down under 150 each. And the first thing we did was buy brand new Jeep grand Cherokeys. Oh, yeah. Of course, of course. Of course. Now we had, and we were renting this place and L.A., you know, like we, you know, it didn't take long for us to be like, dude, we got to give another job. Like, you know, we can't just survive on that. Let me ask you just for reference, do you know what good real hunting has grossed in its like time? When it came out, I think it was like 220 something in the theater, but I have no idea what it did after that. Like the, because they relic and said and they, you know, that's one of them that's just continued because it's just such an amazing film. And actually with our studio, you know, that's one of the things we're, we really fight for is reversion rights. Like Ben called me a couple years ago and he goes, you know, the town just got relic since for 35 million bucks. Because it, which just means that he made a great movie and people are still watching it. And he, you know, he, at the time, like that movie made a fortune. It made it did all this stuff, but he, he was on a flat salary and he didn't, you know, I don't even think he made a million bucks for that movie. And he wrote it directed it start, you know, start and it's crazy. Yeah. Yeah. And one of those things. So, but it's like, you know, our view was like, look, if you do something like that as, as one of the real contributors to it, then like if there's money kind of in perpetuity, then you should, you should be a part of that. So. Hell yeah. That means it don't sound right now. Yeah. Yeah. Sounds fair. Seriously, don't. Speaking of movies you guys have, have been in, when was the first movie you guys worked on together? Was it, was it field of dreams? We, there were, yeah, we were extras in field of dreams. That was, that was one. But I think even before that, there was a movie that Diane Keaton and Liam Neeson started in that, a little movie called The Good Mother and that shot in Boston and Ben and I and Casey as little brother. We were all extras in that. And I think there's still a shot in that movie of Liam Neeson walking past us. Ben and I, I don't think have hit puberty yet. We're like five and one. And Liam's a big dude. He's like six, five, six, six. And we walked past him on, on, on a street at one point. So that might have been the first moment we were, we were actually on screen together. We got to find that one. I don't know. I don't know where it is. I just remember going to the movie and Ben and I were like, we're in it. We're in it. We made it. That's so cool. Well, while we're talking movies, you're in something else that's coming up too. We got the rip coming up. We also have the Odyssey. Is that, is that correct? Yeah. Yeah, July. Are you Odysseus? Who are you in the Odyssey? Yeah. I'm Odysseus. Yeah. There we go. All right. All right. I had a beard like yours for, for like, I think I've seen the pictures. You were getting pretty yoked up in some of the pictures I saw too. Circulate in the internet. Yeah. I, I, I was in really good shape. I lost a lot of weight. Like, he said he, he wanted me like lean but strong. Lean but strong. Yeah. Lean but strong. It's a weird thing. I, I, I want to bore the shit out of you. But like, I, I, I, I literally like stopped eating, just because of this other thing I did with my doctor, stopped eating gluten. Okay. Yeah. I lost, like, I used to walk around it between 185 and 200. Yeah. And, and, and I did that whole movie at 167. The whole cast. And I haven't been that light since high school. Yeah. Yeah. I was just planning into the really strict diet. I was going to say, so when you get, you get asked by the director or, or whoever asked, you know, to be at that size and, and strengths and that lean belt. Do you then like go out and source a trainer that, that gets you to that point or do you already have somebody in mind? Well, I have somebody, but it's just, you know, yeah, trainers are like, what are we doing? And they can kind of do anything. You know, and it's just knowing it's just having kind of a clear goal and, and, and setting it. It felt actually more, it's like, when I do that or when I did, you, you like the Jason Born movies or whatever, it feels almost like, like a season in a, in a, I would imagine what that feels like for you guys where you're preparing, you know, it's like just part of your day, it's part of your job, right? And it's like, yeah, and you get really routinized about it and really, and kind of build your day around all that stuff. And, yeah, yeah. That's, that's, that's kind of the physical side of, of getting ready. Have you had gluten sense? I haven't. I'm, I'm, I'm done. I'm done. I'm done. I'm gluten free, everything. I sound a gluten free beer. Nice. There we go. How about it? All right. It's been so long since I've had gluten. I can't tell if it's good or not. So that's, that's, that's a good sign. It's working. It's working. Well, the trailer for the Odyssey got over 121.4 million views in the first 24 hours. More than double Oppenheimer got, which was pretty successful. But what do you think has so many people psyched up about this film? Well, I think it for, I mean, obviously Chris, you know, Chris Nolan, you know, I think everybody feels, I mean, I, I'm a fan too. I just love the movies that he makes and, and, and also, you know, the, just the way, you know, the, the way he insists on shooting them, you know, on this one was 100% on IMAX. It was the first movie that was ever done all on IMAX. Okay. IMAX cameras are really loud. Like, it sounds like a blender, like a quiz in art in your face when this camera is closed. Really? Yeah. And that's why, so there's never been these dialogues. And like, we couldn't have this conversation with a normal IMAX camera because you wouldn't be able to hear us. Yeah. But they built this giant thing around the IMAX for those dialogue scenes and, and like, a system of mirrors so you could look at, you know, so your eye line would be close to the camera and you could talk to the other actor and like, like, the amount of work that went into figuring out how to do, because he wanted to do it 100% IMAX. Oh, this is so good. And he did it. So it was like really ambitious kind of ideas that he has and like, on the technical side. And then just, there were locations that we went, that we shot in where I would, we get there and I'd just start laughing. I'd be like, nobody has any business shooting here. Like, but like, of course he wants to shoot here. Yeah, that makes that tracks, you know. But we do. He has such a great crew. Like his crew is so badass and everybody just maxed out on that movie and, and, you know, and we made all of our days. We actually finished a head of schedule. Like, it was just, it was an awesome experience. That's awesome. Hell yeah. I haven't seen it yet. You know, I mean, I've seen the trailer like you have, but that's about it. Is that the way, so how far before the theatrical release do you guys get to watch it? Is there, or do you try and like wait until that moment? No, it depends. There are some, a lot of directors, you know, if I'm doing a movie with Ben, I'm in the editing room within the whole time. And, and there are some directors who, you know, who like to work that way. Chris has a process that's very, you know, he's, he's screening the movie all the time to, to people outside the business. He's very, he's grinding away at it. Interesting. It probably in, in a couple of months, you know, before it's done. I mean, Clint Eastwood, like, I remember Clint Eastwood showed me. I did two movies with Clint. And that was just, he, he screened it for me like a week before the premiere, but like, it wasn't like he was going to take notes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was like, I hope you like it, you know. And so people have all different ways of working in, and it, it's a director's medium, really, right? They really are the boss and, and, you know, but it can feel, it, or I look at it like a partnership, but you're the, I'm the junior partner, right? So I want to give every good idea that I want to, I want to be as helpful as possible. But at the end of the day, it's, it's their name on the movie. It really is there. You know, they're the ones who are really kind of ruthlessly judged. I mean, I know actors are too, but, but in, in our world, it's really about the director. That's awesome, man. Yeah, man. All right. Do you want to get in some boss of sports, maybe? Let's do it, baby. All right. Yeah, I'm a little nervous about the chargers. I mean, they're, you know, I love players over there, man. They got a ball player. They really do. They got some really great players, but so do we. And, and I love, I love, Vrable, man. Oh my God. I love that guy. You got a good one. You got a good one, I can't believe it. It's a battle of the minds between him and a harbohl, man. Yeah. It really will, man. I think I've so much respect for both of those guys. And obviously, did you, have you, you, you ran into a race before? No, I've never met him. I've never met him. I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've blown my voice out cheering for him. Like, over the years, but I've never met him. And, you know, he just seems awesome. Like, although, and the way he deals, it's like he took all of the best of Ballot Check. And he's putting a filter of himself. And he, and it's like, you know, everybody loves, everybody loves the guy. And, and Drake May is unbelievable, you know, he's just, he seems, he seems to have that Tom thing where he just doesn't get rattled. He's got this ability to kind of feel comfortable and almost Tom, Tom was unbelievable, addictating the tempo of a game. Like every game that I felt like I played against him, it just felt like he always had like, we were going at his pace. Right. And, and Drake kind of has that, that feel to him, especially when he's clicking, you know, yeah, yeah. And he's, what, 23, you know. So he's just, just going to get better. So I mean, I can't believe we got this lucky in New England to have. You guys hit us. Three year playoff drought and all the sudden you got another franchise quarterback. It's not, it's, I feel terrible. It's like people in Green Bay where they go from Brett Farve, the Aaron Rodgers and you're like, come on. I mean, when does that happen? But, but no, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's unbelievable. And, and given that my whole childhood, we sucked so bad, like the patriots were just, I mean, that was our childhood. We grew, we grew up, we grew up in Cleveland. So, oh, right. Yeah, right. Yeah, man. They still, they're still not doing very good, but, they got some great players. They do. Just about miles, Garrett, man, unbelievable. Heck of a year, heck of a year. That's the last guy I'm trying to block. I'll tell you what, he's the physically, physically probably the most gifted football player ever played football against. He's really, oh my gosh. Matt, when you line up against him, he feels like you're going up against a power ranger, like some, like, some are unearthly, like, mighty morphine, like, dude, I'm just, like, I'm getting front of him, just like, man, this guy knows that the coach is not about to put me in a position to block. That's it. So, please coach. That's amazing. How about Aaron Donald? He was the other one, right? That's the one Jason got a, got a good. Aaron was the hardest guy I had to block. I didn't really ever have to block miles like that. And even Aaron, luckily, we were double team the most of the time. So, I didn't have to block him. I don't want to. But Aaron just didn't have, he had his own physical traits, which were very good. Like, he was incredibly strong and explosive. Miles has all that, but then he also has the length just, he's a bigger size person. Yeah, it's, it's kind of crazy. When you think about both of those guys playing at the same time, they were the two most gifted defensive players I played against for sure. And I think another thing that it feels like Miles has done better with this year. Aaron also had this mentality where he just was relentless. He, no matter what you did, he would not stop. He kept going, he ever got tired. He was like mad at you the entire time. Like, what are you mad at me about? I'm just trying to do my job. He was like pissed. And it feels like Miles feels like he was more of that this year. Like, there was a relentlessness to Miles that I think you felt all season long from him. And with those traits and that mentality, he saw an incredible season from him for sure. But I do want to ask you this, how do you think the Patriots will do in the playoffs? Is it, like in New England, is it, are you guys so spoiled that it's like, if they don't win the football, you guys are going to be upset? No, no, no, no. No, no, no. Okay, all right, good. Not at all. I mean, this is a new, this is a new team, right? And I think, I think this is like, found money for us, right? Like, I feel like it's, it's like, it's like, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's with the organization, with Bob Crapin, but the way that whole thing is set up, and with that quarterback, and I feel like we're in a really good spot. Obviously, we wanna see him go as far as they can, but nobody's gonna be like, this is bullshit, if they don't, you know what I mean? It's like nobody was expecting him to be there. I mean, we were expecting to run into this Buffalo wall for years, right? And that wall's still there, by the way. That team still, Josh isn't going anywhere. He's unbelievable, and so it's fun, it'll be competitive. I was talking to a buddy of mine, who was like, this year has been so much fun, because there are like 10 teams who could win the Super Bowl, and you'd be like, I'm not surprised, you know? It really is, man. It's so fun for sure, it's so wide open. When you had those like New England dynasties or Kansas City dynasties, it's not fun for anybody else, it's only fun for us. Well done, well done. I do every time I thought the whole year, like the Patriots, it feels like there are a few pieces away. Like I'm like, oh, they don't really have this, the kind of level of talent you think they need, but they just every week they find a way to win. And I'm with you, the more I watch Drake May, the more I'm just like so impressed with his tempo, he makes everything look easy. Like when he's back there and he throws the ball. The simplest decision he had to make. Right. It's like, why is this game so easy to do that? Yeah, it's right. It feels it's like inevitable. It's like, oh, obviously that was going to happen. You know, yeah, it shouldn't be that easy. It shouldn't look that easy. No, no. Well, speaking of Patriot quarterbacks, Ben, obviously, friend of the show, he was on here talking about the greatest moment of his life other than the birth of his children was running routes for free. I can't believe you got to do that. Dude, I can't believe you got to do that. And the way he told the story was I mean, I got mad. I was like, you're going to fuck up his timing. You're so slow. Like don't play catch with Brady. Unless you're just standing still. Like don't do that. But yeah, no, I can't. I'm jealous. He got to do that. I was going to say what's your best, your favorite Boston sports moment? Well, mine's super personal because I, because my best Boston sports moment actually was, in 1999 of the celebrity at the All Star game, I did the hitting challenge thing. But then that night they let us onto the field to take batting practice at midnight. And I, and my dad was a pitcher. He was a left handed pitcher. And he, and we were taking batting practice. He was trying to get, he wanted me to hit the ball. He wasn't trying to strike me out. But I hit one off the green monster off my dad. Oh my god. Literally it happened and we both looked at each other and I was like, I'll never need therapy in my life. Let's go back to this moment. That was it. We're good. That's so fucking cool. But in terms of the great teams, like I, like there's so many, you know, so many unbelievable moments. And yeah, and Brady gave us, oh my god, him alone. That guy just gave us 20 years of him. So we were, we're, you know, we don't deserve Drake, may we'll take him. That's so iconic, man. Have you ever gotten any working with Brady? Have you met Tom? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know him. I've met him a bunch over the years and like, yeah, he's, he, he just, I don't know, to me, for you guys, because you, you guys excel at that championship level. And to me, it always strikes me across anything that you do. It's always the people who do the extra work, the extra thing. Like, I remember the year after we went, New England went 18 and one and we lost to the Giants in the Super Bowl. I had dinner with Tom and a bunch of guys. And, you know, they, they brought a bottle of red wine around and everyone's getting a glass of red wine. And Tom's like, no. And I looked at him and I was like, really? I'm like, it's May. Like your camp starts in like two months and he was like, no, like he was just like, he was in that like, I'm, I'm, my life, I'm gonna live my commitment to this thing, you know what I mean? And he just had that insane discipline. And, and I took my nephew to a game once down in Miami. We were living down there and my nephew played football. It was played, you know, in the, in the, in the little pen broke Pines league down in Miami. I took him. And I was like, Tom, I'm bringing my nephew and he was nine at the time. And, and we get to the, you know, we're, we're down in the field. Everybody's warming up and he's like, am I gonna get to meet Tom? And I'm like, probably not now. Maybe after the game, they're like, look, he's, he's about to go to work. You know, Troy, this is a real, you know, he's working right now. This is a serious, sure enough. Tom comes running over. He's like already sweating. He's just warmed up. My nephew's sitting on the, on the bench and he's, he's sitting at the end of the bench and Tom runs up to him and gets in his face. And he's like, you're gonna root for me today, Troy. I'm gonna root for you. Are you kidding me? He's looking up at him and he just can't talk. You know what I mean? He just nods, he just nods and Tom goes, Tom goes, gets in his face. Look, they're both nine years old and goes, we're gonna kill these guys. Oh, dude, he's like, God, he couldn't have meant it more either. I was so happy. I'm glad. And then he runs off to the locker. I was like, that was the greatest thing I've ever seen. But it was like two nine year olds talking to each other. Hell yeah. We're gonna fucking smoke. Yeah, literally. I mean, there might have been enough, Bob and for sure. Yeah, you got to make sure he feels it. You got to make sure. Yeah, he's got to know. How do you rate your Boston sports fandoms by the sport? Socks, pads, Celtics, Bruins? That's tough. I would definitely say red socks kind of for me growing it. That was the thing. Like that was definitely the top and the sport I played the most. And then basketball I played a lot too. So if you would ask me when I was growing up, I would have said baseball, basketball, football, hockey. But when I look at, I just because I guess braid, everybody, we just bought into that. Everybody got so caught up and like. Oh, you get wrapped in it. Yeah, we got to say, if I actually think of what I spent more time watching like the last 20 years, probably football. Yeah. Yeah, not including football. Who is your favorite Boston sports athlete? Like who's your guy from growing up that you're like, that's my like, Travis is as Carlos by Erga. And the Cleveland Indian. I got out of the car, little fat. I got Carlton Fisk. Oh, man. Nice. Yeah. He was, he was on the metal. Let's go. Yeah, yeah. It was a big part. It like we wrote the whole scene and goodwill hunting about him and and there's a whole kind of reference to him in that movie. And there was a whole team, you know, in 77, 78, those guys like I, you know, I used to go through it. I have batting practice and I go through all their stances from each side of the play. Like I just knew, you know, that those, those, those, those were like, oh, man, go to the game, get the, get the program, start to keep score in the back man. Yeah. It's just the best. Well, let me ask you this. Where's, you mentioned the green monster. I was fortunate to like go get a tour at that ballpark when I was visiting Boston in high school for some reason. What, where's the best place to sit in that stadium? Like it's such an, it's like that and regularly feel to like the two baseball stadiums. The most iconic. What's the best seat in the stadium, you think? There are a lot of them actually depending on, I mean, now like what the, what they've done now by putting seats up on the green monster, like that, that's insane up there. I went to, I sat in the kind of the last box next to those seats a couple years ago when I went up and that was, that was absolutely crazy. I was fortunate enough I went to, when they were doing the, the one game wild card playoff scenarios, Boston actually played the Yankees in at, at Fenway. I was there. They won one, nothing. I was actually sitting up on the green monster. No way. You sat on the green monster. You sat on the green monster and literally saw a line drive come probably 10 feet from, or 10 yards from me. It's, and when they hit that monster, dude, it was, boom, and everybody's going nuts, dude, it was, Boston's unbelievable sports time. Did they leave you alone up there on the monster? Yeah, it wasn't too bad. Some of the Air Force had some fun with me, but it was all on the dude. I'm here for it, man. I'm sure for it. What are you doing, bro? Yeah, exactly. There you go. There you are, you know, it was epic, you know, I'm here for the chat anyway, all day, baby. Jason and the Eagles for beating the path and Super Bowl 52. Come on, Tron. Well, well, congratulations. Jay, I still don't understand why he didn't put Malcolm Butler in the game. I will never understand that. It's a fair question. Like I, because I think, because you can't, that game, I don't know if we, we might have put it in one, but I scored a game. Tom, Tom, he threw for like 500 and something yards. Nobody ever does that. It was just, it was just unreal. And like, we just needed to stop you guy. Like we never stopped you, Jay. One of the best Super Bowl has ever been. I think we punted once. And I think that was the only punt if I remember correctly. I wonder actually, I'll bet you, I'll tell you what, man, we might have punted if we punted at all, we punted once, probably. That's probably got to be the record for the least punts in a Super Bowl. It was, it was the highest scoring game. And then I think we broke the game, that record again when we played Travis in the Super Bowl. I think that was the only other one that got higher scoring or something like that. But Tom's day, that was his best Super Bowl of his career. Yeah, the Patriots did that punt. Patriots didn't, the punters were, both punters were having a, having a co-gain some popcorn on the sideline that game. Yeah, it's a fair question. Can you never, he never answered it though. Like I, so I always wondered about that. Like what the, there was some personal, there was something weird because it's like, why does it got to like 99% of the snaps and then you tell them while the national anthem is playing, it's not like caliber, man. And then you got to switch everybody around to different positions like that they haven't played. It's like, there's suddenly been a preseason for the past two weeks. Yeah, I just, something, it's something weird about it, man. I could never figure that out. Didn't, I think he, he got in trouble for like missing a meat or something like that, didn't he? Yeah, something leading up to it. But there was a meat and I know. I know. I mean, this is, just kind of like tell me, tell me what I miss. It's also the thing. It's like, for me, you can't be missing meat. Yeah, but, but then maybe after the first quarter when, when you can't stop their offense, maybe you're like, okay, you learn your lesson, get in there. Or maybe after the first half, okay, now I've really, you know, I've proved my point, but like, were you never put the dude in? It really is actually, I think, more selfish, not to play the best guy because like, everybody else wants to win. By the way, the page of, the Patriots way is do your job, right? The Patriots way is you got 53 guys who gave up absolutely everything. They gave it a sacrifice to everything and you're, and that's your whole thing. And so like, what does it say if like, you have an axe to grind with somebody that you're not going to play him? Like, it's just exactly. Yeah. Yeah. It's a good point. It feels weird. Yeah. It definitely feels like there was ego. Ego is the enemy of everything. That's my, that's my, it really is. Like it's certainly in my mind to work. Like if you can't just like your allegiance has to be to the best idea. Like, you're all, you're all a lesser part of the thing you're making and, and you got to put that first. And if, if you do that, if everyone does that, it's going to be, everything's going to work out. Have you felt like you've been able to do that your whole career or do you get to a point where you've been through that enough where it's like, all right, selflessy, I want to go in, I feel like this is the best thing. But in order for this to work out the best, we really need to operate together in a different kind of, I never feel like those things are like mutually exclusive. I never feel, I always feel like my best interest is aligned with making the thing that we're making as good as we can make it. And, and that it requires everybody to have that attitude. And so like when I hear stories, I've never, I don't think I've ever been on a set where somebody was really misbehaving or anything like that was happening. I hear those, so I'm like mystified by those stories. I'm like, the fuck was that person doing like, like, like, sure, it's all about like, just trying to make the thing as good as you can make it. And it's a collaborative project. Oh, yeah, be a good teammate, man. Yeah, exactly, exactly. And with a director who is the director, it's like a benevolent dictatorship, like the director basically, yeah, 51%. 51%. Yeah, exactly. 51%. Coach Andy reads the direct. He's getting 51%. This is bullshit, Travis Shut up. Got it. Yeah, exactly. But if you really like that guy, right? You know, or woman, if you really like that, you have, right? Then that's, that's a perfect deal. Because you're, because you're never going to be misaligned with them, because you kind of see things the same way. Yeah, absolutely. That's cool to hear it kind of translates into, into your line of work in your world, too, man. I think like the, the older I get, the more crossover there is kind of in all this stuff about like how you approach stuff. And it makes me think about how to talk to my kids about that. And like whatever they want to do, you know, these, these things will, will kind of bear, you know, bearing across all, you know, all of these different kind of disciplines, because, because they kind of work for everything. Yeah. Hey, is it too, are you, are you, have you announced, Travis, if you're going to keep playing, is there a still, are you, is that a big secret at this point? Do you take time at this point? Like the, yeah, I think I'm just going to take some time, let it, let it kind of fizzle out, let everything happen, get away from the game. I've, first time I've not had a job in January in a long time. So I'm going to go ahead and enjoy, you know, hanging out with some family and, yeah, putting my feet up, watching some football, seeing how this, this crazy, anybody can win it, a type of season plays out. Um, but yeah, I'm, I'm just trying to figure it all out myself. And, um, I'll do that with the, with the family and friends and, you know, no, yeah, yeah. No, it's a big decision. I remember, uh, Michael Stray, a year ago came, came over to watch the Super Bowl. And he was thinking about retiring and, and, uh, and we're the same age. And I was like, come on, man, you're, we're in our prime. You're, you know, and, yeah, it takes a lot to get ready. You know, there's a lot of work that goes into it. And then, you know, he was telling me on that kept pushing, kept pushing, finally, he turns me, goes, Matt, I get in 35 car accidents a week. Yeah. And he's the one doing it. Well, yeah. So yeah, he's, he's initiating him. Yeah. Yeah. But that, that's a real consideration like, you know, I, and, and it's easy to sit at home and joy watching you guys play and be like, well, do you play another season? Yes. I mean, when, when you get the call when you're 45, like Philip Rivers, baby, God, how good was that? You never out of it. For him. Everyone loved it, dude. We all wanted him to go and fucking get him into the playoffs or at least put up some dubs and, um, yeah, man, that shit was epic. He did a good job as a guy. I thought he did do a really good job and as a granddad man, I was like unbelievable. It's insane. Yeah, with his high school team watching. I was playing the game was awesome to watch, but then even his comments after the game about just like not being afraid and like facing, like I just think it was. Yeah, having that courage. Yeah. And then just a, the pinnacle of what a quarterback and like a football player is. So it was awesome to see him back out there. It is also cool to see guys like you guys get so much better at your job. It's such a weird thing because you guys get better at your job, but your skills, you know, decline as you age. And so mentally, mentally you keep going this way. Yeah. Fortunately, the physical aspects start going down. But he got out there. He looked like he hadn't missed a beat. Like he, the game was slow for him. He was like, no, I know with this app. I've seen that before. I know what they're going to tell you. He's in control, yeah. Yeah, totally. That was really, that was really cool. I've always thought that's a tough part of, you know, the athlete's life is, is, I talked to a baseball player once who was kind of a journeyman second baseman. And he was retired. He was like 37 and he was, he was retiring and I said, what happened? And he was like, well, he's like, look, my bread and butter was a 95 mile an hour fastball. And, and he goes, someone threw me a 95 mile an hour fastball. And my eyes got big and I swung and I was late. And I looked at the catcher and the catcher looked at me and then I looked at the pitcher and he goes and he gave me another one and I was late again. He struck me out on three pitches. He goes and then, you know, they're with all the analytics. They're all looking at you. He goes, within two weeks, I was out of the league. Like everybody was strong. Wow. This fastball and he goes, the sad thing for me is that I, he goes, I know more about hitting now. He goes, if you, if you put my 37 year old brain in my 21 year old body, I'd be in the Hall of Fame. Yeah. It's crazy, you imagine like that. But, yeah. That's a crazy thing because I was, I was about his age and I was like, I'm just getting into the meat of my career and how like this is, this is getting more and more fun and that's, that's, it's a tough decision, man. It's a tough decision. So I feel for you. Whatever you make is going to be the right decision though. Like we said earlier, man, this is a silly life I get to live, brother. So whether, whether I'm coming back on the field or not, man, I'm, I'm still living it to the fullest, man. Well, and you guys, this is great too. This whole forum and everything that you guys made here is like, it's like, see, there's a lot, you know, it was like, well, like Strayon said to me years ago, you know, like he, he had, he, there was another life after that he, that he was excited about too. Oh, yeah. And Strayon, man, he's been an awesome dude to me since I've been the league and helped me, numerous off seasons trying to figure things out. So shout out to Strayon. Yeah. Always looking out. Yeah. Thank you, Troy. The pit is back with a brand new season tomorrow January 8th at 9 p.m. Eastern. All right. Here's the deal. It's starring Emmy award winner Noah Wiley. The picnic claimed HBO Max series follows a real-time shift with 15 high-stake hours told across 15 must see episodes about it. 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What is your piece? What is your best piece of a girl dad advice for Jason over here? And I got nothing. I got nothing for you. You're in it. I heard before we started, I heard the kids in the back. I was like, oh my god. I do have to say that there was a, you guys went to eat or at least your wife did at a restaurant in Montana. Ming's size is the chef there and Ming's a friend of mine. And he told me, this was the greatest thing. He goes, Jason Kelsey's wife is a rock star. He goes, yeah, yeah. He goes, yeah. Literally, she came in, he goes, she's got like an eighth month old on one arm. She's got a toddler. Here's she has four kids hanging off her. He was like, she has a boss. It was like, it was very, very cool. So I don't think I need to give you any advice because it sounds like you married the right woman in the state. She's a boss. She is a boss. And she's got to deal with me to a fifth kid. She doesn't even, yeah. Unfortunately, Miss Dex, I do Monday night football, but I heard she's phenomenal. She's incredible with the kids. The only bit of advice whenever I get, I get asked that question too. And my first thing I tell people with advice with kids is don't listen to any advice. Anybody else can. Yeah. Yeah, you got to figure it out. They're all so different. I don't know how you feel about yours, but the moment one comes out there, like more sensitive, this one's a little bit more like ran bunches like every single one of them is like their own person. And it's like right away. Yeah. At the moment they start talking, it feels like they're different. Man, I used to have, I used to be a real, you know, in that nature, nurture argument. I'm now on this like nature, like that's a thing. You know, like your kids show up like that spirit, that soul is there. And it's going to do what it's going to do. And the nurture part is very important. You're going to be a part of helping with that. But they really are who they are, like right away. And that's like a bit of profound. And as they grow older, you still see in their infant face, you still see them as there. Oh, wow. It's the only thing I'd say, an old friend of mine said when my 19 year old was probably 18 months said, don't blink. Don't blink. And that is, that shit is real. My daughter broke her collarbone and this morning she was getting ready for school. She's 17. And she asked me to brush her hair. And so I brushed her hair. And I meant it was a, like I hadn't brushed her hair. I don't know, eight, nine years, you know what I mean? But you know what that stays now where it's like, you get them ready. It's like you're brushing your hair lined up. You got it, you got it. Right. And I don't remember the last time that I don't remember when I brushed your hair for the last time. It just kind of happened and then life kind of kept going. And the changes are so incremental that like you don't realize until until I ran the hair brush to your hair. And it's the same. Like all of it. It's, you know what I mean? Yeah. And it buckled me, man. It's like so, so don't blink. That's all. Okay. I like that. I like that a lot. And just a second ago about how an athlete learns more and actually no more, they wish they knew more when they were younger. As an actor, writer, producer, is there something you know now that you really wish you knew when you were young? Oh my God. Yeah. I mean, it's the same. It's like it's too long for me. How would I would love to go back and remake all the movies again? You know what I mean? And I remember working with Steven Spielberg early on in my career and going like, I don't know enough about filmmaking to be next to this man right now. Like I have so many questions and I don't know what the right questions are yet. And so I remember just following him around and just, I remember everything that guy ever said to me because I was trying to bank it because I knew it was going to come in handy. And then as, you know, in the intervening 30 years or whatever, I've, I've, I've things that he said have come back as I've kind of learned him and, oh man, that's what he was talking about. So those kind of things, I really got lucky and I got to work with some amazing people and I'd love to be able to go back through that process and work with, even if I could just work with the people that I've already worked with again. Yeah. There's so much I didn't know and, and, and that's kind of the fun thing about making movies. It's like, it's, it's always a different job. The challenges of a day are always different and, and it's always fun. That'll be unknown. Well, you're talking about some of your previous movies. Friend of the show, George Clooney, told us that. Jesus, don't listen to anything that guy says. Everyone, you guys are in talks with another Oceans movie. Oh, yeah. Okay, I thought he was going to play some fucking practical joke on movie. I love that that's immediately where it goes. He's just, he, and he, and he'll do the long ones that just go for, you know, it's, he set it up nine years ago. No, yeah, well, they're, they're, they're talking about it. You know, I don't know. We'll see, you know, these things, there's always, they're always talking about it's, it's, it's a, it's a weird business. You never know how things will coalesce. And, I mean, I'd love, I'd love that group of guys. And obviously we're, we're down a few now, you know, we've lost a couple over the years, but like the, there's a lot of love in that group for sure. So, yeah, if we can get our shit together, that'd be a lot of fun. Hey, yeah. We have a clip here from school ties where you play a football player. Oh, yeah. What would you mind breaking this play down for sure? Sure. Oh, yeah. Oh, let's go. Yeah. Yeah. No bar, baby. Let's go. Run your ass off for me. It said block your ass off for me. Watch, watch what Brendan Fraser does to me. Dude, I get Brendan Fraser. I really want to, I really wanted to score the touchdown. Let's go. He's the good player. So guess what now? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's a jackpot. The cupball. The cupball. Take a player, baby. This is like, this is legendary, dude. Yeah, not only could I not do the cut block, he actually had to throw me in the right position. Yeah. That was the first, first feature film that I had a big role in and Ben's in that movie, too. That was a good, it was Ben, Ben, Ben Affleck's in that Cole Hauser's in that. Oh wow. Brendan, Chris O'Donnell's in there, like there's a really, there's a, there's a hell of a group of guys, but we were all 20 years old. That's crazy. That was awesome. That was awesome. When you made the movie air, did you, did you get a chance to meet Mike? No, Ben, Ben went down and talked to Mike and I was supposed to go, but my kids had something that day. So I stayed here and, and Ben went down to meet Mike. Because this was before we made the deal to do it. Because we knew that if Mike didn't, wasn't down with it, then, you know, you guys wanted to respect that. A, respected and V, like there, there would be no, like we put all this work into a movie. And then if, if Jordan came out and was like, that's bullshit, like the movie's just dead. Yeah, I hear you. Yeah, but we want, we, we wanted his, his blessing, even though, you know, he wasn't going to be a part of it. It wasn't hit, you know, we, but Ben went down and talked to him and, and, and a lot came out of that meeting. In fact, he gave us kind of people who were more instrumental than we understood from the, the original script we read. So we rewrote it. The biggest thing he said was, because Ben asked him about his, his, his parents and he was like, you know, what, you know, what, what role did your dad play? What do you need? And, and Mike said he got, he was like, my dad was a great guy and he goes, my mom runs shit. And Ben was like, really? And Ben was like, really? He was, and he was like, yeah, my mom runs shit. And Ben was, that was portrayed for sure. He was like, you, you, you want to try to call my mother? He was like, no, like, yeah. And, and, and that was like, okay, well, who should play your mother? And before he got mother out, Mike was like, viola Davis. Wow. So just, you went right away. Ben called me up from Florida where he was meeting with him and he was like, dude, good news, bad news. I'm like, what? He's like, he's like, we got to rewrite the entire script because it's all about, it's, it's all about his mother. And I go, okay, you know, great. And he, and he goes, oh, I go, what's the bad news? And he goes, there's only one actor who will, and I was like, who? And he's like, viola Davis. And I'm like, all right. You want me to call, we got to call American Treasure Violet Davis. I'm, you know, listen, we can't make this movie unless you make it with us. So that was, there was a great young writer on that, on that project. And we, we kind of rebuilt the whole thing around her character and try to make a role that was worthy of, you know, viola. That's awesome. Very cool. Very cool. Is there anybody that you've worked with? You worked with a lot of acting legends, but is there anyone that you were starstruck with on set? Yeah. I mean, I think that's happened a lot of times to me. But I went on, on saving Private Ryan, Tom Hanks said something to all of us. I actually, I asked him about it. He did this movie a long time ago called Nothing in Common. And Jackie Gleason played his father. And Jackie Gleason was like this, you know, bigger than life, you know, star of the honeymooners and all this. And, and I asked him about it. And Tom said, I asked him if he was nervous. And Tom goes, you know what? He stopped and he goes, I made the decision not to be nervous. I made the decision not to be intimidated by, and it was that it was really good advice. I was like 25 or 26. And it was, and it was like, you know, you got to just approach the work, you know, and you got to approach people kind of as they are, you know, I mean, it was just like a very, it was very helpful in the sense that, you know, I think I, I could have been intimidated by a lot of the people that I am, because I, because I'm a fan of theirs, you know, I'm a fan. And I, and I still feel that way about a lot of people I work with. I did, but it's more, more like it's, it's, it's better to appreciate them for the work that they do, but leave the rest of the shit at the door so that you can actually get some work done. That's awesome advice, man. Shout out to Tom Hanks, man. I'm going to start using my advice. The man with one red shoe, baby, let's go. The money pit. Oh, yeah. We always end the segment by asking everyone, what was there? Welcome to Hollywood moment. The story you just told us was pretty fucking iconic early in your career. But was there ever a moment that was just like, holy shit, I'm doing this or could it be good? Could be bad? Could be just, you know, yeah, I think that the biggest like the one I think about all the time is when good will hunting when we, you know, it was such a like a rollercoaster from from writing it to selling it to, you know, developing it to going the turnaround to getting picked up at another studio. There's all this stuff that the first day we were shooting and the we were actually rolling film and the movie was getting made and it was a scene between Stalin, Skarsgard and Robin Williams, Ben and I weren't even in the scene, but we went to watch. And when they called action and those two like heavyweight actors, amazing actors started talking, started saying the shit that we wrote. Like we just, just tears coming down and I think that was like, that was definitely a kind of an amazing moment because it was like, this is real, like even if nothing happens with this movie, like we got it made. We're doing it. We were like, we were like Rocky in the first one where it's like, we didn't even want the belt. We just wanted to go 15 rounds and be and still be there. And so that was kind of the moment where we were like, this movie is actually going to happen. I mean, fucking iconic. If you had any advice for somebody that was looking into getting into writing or acting or what would your advice be? Like what's the best way to get started or learn? Or yeah, I don't know. Well, it's like a trade. So it's to do it. You know, and so find really good people to study under and try to apprentice yourself too. And you know, if you're, if you want to write screenplays, I'd go probably online now you can probably get every screenplay. Just read, just read, you know, read 10 of them a week and just start by osmosis. You'll start to understand kind of the form. Read the movies that you like and see what they look like in script form and, and then read movies even that you don't like very much and see what they look like. And, and that's kind of how I, that's kind of how we did it. We kind of backed into writing because, because we were unemployed. Nobody wanted us. And so we were like, we better write our own thing. And we were kind of able to do that because we'd read so many hundreds of scripts and, and then seen those movies get made and seen what became of them and see, we, we'd seen what got cut out and, and what survived and what worked on the page and what worked on the screen and all that stuff. So yeah, the more you can expose yourself to it and be around other people who are interested in it and, and, you know, make it, make it a focus for, for your time and energy, then, you know, the better, the better shot you have. It's a brutal business, though. You know, I wouldn't, you know, the, my old answer to that was always like, I would just, I just tell people, don't do it. Don't do it. No, honestly, because every single person told us not to do it. Like everybody, there was nobody in my life who said, yeah, this is good. You should do this. Like, it, it was a suicide mission, basically. You know, like, you're not going to make any money. You're not going to, you know, you're just going to go out and get beaten down by the world. It's like a, you know, and the first hundred times you go audition, you usually just get rejected and it's humiliating and it's like, you know, you got to have, you got to really, really, really want. Do you think the landscape has changed it all from when you were trying to come up? Totally, totally, totally different business. Like, I don't, I don't know what to, I have trouble because I don't know where the business is going. And so I don't know what to tell, but the things that matter still matter. Like if you love acting, if you love writing, then, then it's, it doesn't matter where the business is going. You're going to find your place in the business. But, but yeah, just, just doing it as much as you can. Like it really is, it's, it's a trade. Like people try to put all this focus, focus around it, but it's like, you know, being a carpenter, like, you know, can you build a house, right? So just start, start working on that and, and, and eventually you'll be able to get out of that. I love to put in, man. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Brother, thank you for the wisdom. Thank you for the stories. Here we go. Appreciate the time, man. Thank you, man. And thank you, thank you for the rep, man. On Netflix, January 16th, everybody go check it out. Matt Damon. Thank you, man. I really appreciate it. You guys are awesome. Thank you for coming all over. Thank you for having me, man. This is awesome. I really do watch you guys a lot. Like for a dude who's supposed to have a job. Come on. We appreciate it, man. It's all right for taking up your real space. No. I am going to get recommended this on my fucking phone. I'm going to be in your lap. Yeah. All right, everybody, that wraps up this episode of New Heights. Thank you so much to Matt Damon. You. This is absurd. Let me give the talk to an individual of his adventure. It's so crazy. And we will take full advantage of it. Make sure you subscribe to the New Heights channel on YouTube and follow New Heights on the Wondering App or wherever you can podcast. You can listen to the new episodes of the New Heights ad free right now by joining Wondering plus in the Wondering App or on Apple Podcasts. Once again, New Heights and Wondering Show brought to you by Intuit Turbo Tax. Don't forget to do your taxes, ladies and gentlemen. Make it a whole lot easier, bud. Doing it with Intuit Turbo Tax. Follow Sean also, media at new Heights show with 1S for fun clips throughout the week. We got a bunch of them for you, man. Matt Damon, thank you so much. Thank you to the new Heights production team for making this thing a fun ride for all of us. And thank you to the 92% of us for tuning in. I hope you guys enjoyed it. We'll see you next week. All righty. I don't know, brown cat. I don't know, bag. Unique New York. Do you think New York? Did you hear that? Did you just rip it? Yeah. I thought that was you. Yeah. I was holding it in the entire Matt Damon interview. No, I'm not. You're a respectable man. Yeah. Talking to them. You should have tried it. You should have solved who you broke. Do I smell something through my, do you smell that? Why do I taste that? You hear how it was. What is it about? It's like foggy. I'm going to ask you a question. I'm going to ask you a question, Matt. Have you ever dutch out of into yourself? Is that the thing for sure? I mean, I've done it multiple times just to see where I'm at. You do it as an experiment. Yeah. You do it just right here. Let me check you out. Oh, wow. I mean, it's my brand. Let me check the old exit. See how we're doing here. I got no problem with my brand. Wow. That's pungent. So does it mean anything if it's like different? I feel like I can tell if my protein intake based on how my farts smell. Oh, does it get more sour than more protein? It gets more dense. You're eating too much protein. Your body isn't properly harnessing and utilizing to build muscle. If you're starting to eat too much protein, then it almost feels like there's a change in the atmospheric pressure with your fart. It's like there's more molecules in the area. You're saying you know what I'm saying? There's a pressure that is in there. You are like, wow, that is thick. That's when you know you're eating too much protein. All right. So I can sometimes gauge you if I'm trying to see like, oh, then I eat the right amount of protein, then you fart and then you're like, oh, yeah, I'm definitely way too much protein. That's basically what that steam. You got a steam back. I got steam coming on my ass right now. Yeah.