Rachel Sennott is Popping In
65 min
•Sep 25, 20257 months agoSummary
Rachel Sennott discusses her HBO show 'I Love L.A.' and her experience as a first-time showrunner, sharing behind-the-scenes stories from filming and the creative writing process. The conversation covers her journey moving to LA during COVID, multiple car accidents, and lessons learned about boundaries, relationships, and personal growth.
Insights
- First-time showrunners benefit significantly from experienced collaborators who provide guidance without judgment, allowing creative leaders to learn through doing rather than formal training
- The TV writing room operates with specialized terminology and collaborative problem-solving that differs fundamentally from film writing, requiring writers to defend ideas and remain flexible
- Personal resilience and emotional maturity develop through experiencing difficult relationships and consequences, not through advice alone—'data' from lived experience is irreplaceable
- Weekly episodic television creates cultural ritual and anticipation that binge-release models cannot replicate, fostering community engagement and sustained audience investment
- Creative professionals often struggle to maintain boundaries and personal relationships during intensive production schedules, requiring intentional planning to reconnect after projects conclude
Trends
Return of weekly episodic releases as a counter-trend to binge culture for building audience engagement and cultural conversationIncreased emphasis on emotional authenticity and truth in comedy writing over obvious joke constructionFirst-time showrunners gaining opportunities at major networks with strong mentorship structures rather than traditional apprenticeship modelsCollaborative creative leadership models where showrunners share authority with experienced co-showrunners and executive producersIntegration of personal storytelling and lived experience into scripted comedy as a source of authentic character development
Topics
First-time showrunning and creative leadershipTV writing room dynamics and collaborative storytellingWeekly vs. binge release strategies for episodic televisionEmotional authenticity in comedy writingPersonal boundaries and work-life balance in entertainmentCharacter development through actor collaborationHBO original series productionPilot-to-series development processMentorship in creative industriesLos Angeles entertainment industry cultureResilience and personal growth through difficult relationshipsDirecting for television as a first-time directorPost-production and editing terminologyCasting and ensemble chemistryCreative risk-taking in comedy
Companies
HBO
Network producing Rachel Sennott's show 'I Love L.A.' with support from executives Amy and Ally
Comedy Central
Network where Rachel and Io Tillett Wright previously created a comedy special
Netflix
Referenced in context of binge-release strategy versus weekly episodic releases
People
Rachel Sennott
Actress, writer, and first-time showrunner of HBO's 'I Love L.A.' discussing her creative journey
Caleb Hearon
Podcast host and friend of Rachel's who worked with her on film 'I Used to Be Funny' in Toronto
Emma Berry
Co-showrunner of 'I Love L.A.' described as amazing collaborator and experienced TV writer
Max Sylvesterie
Executive producer and writer on 'I Love L.A.' who provided mentorship and creative guidance
Lorraine Scaforia
Director of 'I Love L.A.' pilot and two additional episodes
Ali Pankie
Director of film 'I Used to Be Funny' described as a genius and friend of the podcast
Jordan Firstman
Cast member of 'I Love L.A.' described as fabulous
Odessa Azion
Cast member of 'I Love L.A.'
True Whitaker
Cast member of 'I Love L.A.'
Josh Hutcherson
Cast member of 'I Love L.A.'
Leighton Meester
Cast member of 'I Love L.A.'
Moses Ingram
Guest star on 'I Love L.A.' described as amazing
Quinn Blackwell
Guest star on 'I Love L.A.' described as amazing
Bill Benz
Director who provided mentorship and creative terminology to Rachel during production
Io Tillett Wright
Comedy collaborator with Rachel on Comedy Central project and writing partner
Quotes
"Popping in is the dream. I love to pop in."
Rachel Sennott
"Everyone needs a toxic relationship, in a fun way, to shape your personality. You need it. It's crucial. You have to go through hell."
Rachel Sennott
"I didn't know how psychotic it was when I did it. I was like, totally show run, like run the show. Perfect. And then I was like, oh, it's, I feel like I'm running an insurance company."
Rachel Sennott
"You can't give them data. They will just have to live through some really uncomfortable moments to get to the place of like, yeah, this week sucks. And next week it won't."
Caleb Hearon
"I feel like there's something special about getting to be a weekly show and sort of like create the anticipation and wait for something to drop."
Rachel Sennott
Full Transcript
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Good, and I'll try to like come up with stuff too or say incriminating things. About yourself? About myself or just bad takes or things that people will really hate. Just so that we have like a lot of options. You would be surprised at how many people seem to be taking that approach on this show. Yeah. How many people come on here and they say something and I'm like, I've never heard you say something like that. Yeah, you're like, I've known you for 10 years and this you chose today. You're like, oh, okay. Yeah. That's how you feel. I'm not going to talk about who and specific, but there has been Casey, what's up, brother? We got a problem? I'm going to go through and try to see from clips. You also know when someone's like, this is going to go viral. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. Where you're like... They're like, I've got something to say. I have something to say. It's really crazy. Smoking is good for babies or what? They just like do something so insane that you're like, got it. Go, yeah, yeah. Dude, how are you? I'm good. I miss you so much. No, we've been bad. We've been, but we have, I feel like when you shoot a film in Toronto, yeah, you create a bond for the rest of your life. Yeah. Well, something funny about the film that we shot in Toronto, it's where I fell in love with you. It's where I fell in love with you. That I said, I already liked this girl, but this is actually a soul sister of mine. Yeah. And when we made that movie, I didn't necessarily think about the fact that, because at the time it wasn't called, I used to be funny, I don't think. And then I didn't think about the fact that... Brooklyn Sam. By the way. Famously it was called Brooklyn Sam. Brooklyn Sam back then. Yeah. I didn't think about the fact that with so many comedians in it, people were going to think it was a comedy. Yeah. I get so many DMs being like, hey, just watch your movie with Rachel Sinnet. She's amazing in it, Total Star. I'm like very fucked up from it. Yeah. No, people are like, so I'm really confused. I wanted like just like a fun plane watch and now I feel sick. How about devastating film about the worst topic we have? Yeah. Can I, can I interest you in that? Can I offer you that? Can I offer you that? Can I offer you that? And then also when we did press, we were like, what was it like filming? Well, there were all these cute like places to go in Toronto, nothing about, and then the content of the movie is like, okay. Okay. So that's actually deeply devastating to me. Yeah. But I think that made our like, I don't know, because then we had more fun. We were like, we have to have fun on set. There was of course the famous crying day. Well, there was a, do you want to tell this? Because obviously I come across kind of childish in it. No. What's a bad look for me and I would love for you to tell it. No, no, it was just, it was like, I had to cry a lot. It was a big day where you had to be, you're an incredible actor. And I think people who are watching this already know that about you. You're an unreal, very, very talented actor in addition to being fun. It's like insane actually. But you had to do this big crying day that was like, for any actor, it would be like, it's a feat. You have to like walk in. You have to walk in. You do, you sort of like choose your corner of the room and you sort of like, sit, by the way, I think I'm better now. At that point, I was like, so stressed about like crying. And then I would like sit in the corner and like stare at a wall and like think about things. And then, so anyways, there's this really great photo of me, Caleb and Sabrina, with me in the background like this. Trying to pull on something. Me and Sabrina, truly, like there was the courthouse day where you had a big, like in this film, I used to be funny, written director by Ali Pankie, a genius. Friend of the pod. But there was this scene where the courthouse was very emotional for you. And for us too, but we're in the background, you know? So Sabrina and I walk on to set, not reading the room at all. Sabrina walk on to set like, who wants to fuck? Like being insane. And Rachel's just like. Stumbling in the corner. But it's also a lot to ask because I've been in scenes where it's like you, your character is in the scene, but you're not in this. It's not as demanding for you. And you're like, do we really have to all like, do I have to cry too? Just out of, you know what I mean? Out of support when like someone, especially in like an ensemble thing. Where you're like, you cry over there. I'm going to do games on my phone. Like I watch TikTok with the captions on. You lock into your journey, but that was, that photo was amazing. Dude, there was one of the biggest, one of the biggest regrets I have from that movie is that they didn't choose, there was a, I'm behind you because the scenes about, the shots about you, but I did get myself to cry during one of the announcements of that scene. And they didn't use the one where it was close on me while I was crying. Yeah, you're like, I got it. I got it. I cried. I cried on that one. And I'm not as, you're, you're so good and so locked in. Like I would be terrified by the way, if I had to do like your role in a movie like that and be so emotionally convincing. So for me in the background to get it to you, I was like, turn the camera, turn the camera, turn it around, get this, get this. Like I was wanting it bad. I know I, whenever you have a like a take where you're like, that was the one and they're like, well, it's wide and we weren't, we were on your back and I'm like, fuck. Well, turn it, fucking always have one on my face. Always have one on my face. Don't care what you see in the background. Cause you're going to get it once. Yeah. I mean, with me, you're getting it once. You're getting it once. I get so much FOMO seeing that when I see anybody, like you've posted, you've been posting stuff from your show of you guys working on it and I just get so excited cause I'm like, oh man, I would love to be hanging out over there right now. I want to hang with those guys. Yeah. Do I want to work the 17 hour days that Rachel's probably working right now? No. But I do want to go over there and hang out a little bit. I want to pop in for like six hours. I want to like bring coffee. Yeah. I want to be like, you who. You. All right. I'll leave you all to it. Good luck you guys. Good luck. That's like my favorite. Just when it gets, just when it gets unfun, I'm like, okay, good luck with the rest of the day. Yeah. I'm going. Well, you guys have fun. I love it. Love you guys. Yeah. And then everyone, everyone's just like, God, it was nice that Caleb dropped by. Yes. That's like my dream. The other thing that's amazing is like when you're like a small role in something or like you're not like a cameo, but when you get to like be a part of a shoot, but you leave before the shoot gets hard. Yes. And then everyone's like, oh, remember when Rachel was here and it was so fun, but it has nothing to do with it's just that you're there earlier and shoot for a less amount of time. So it's like, people didn't really get to know me and like have my personality great on them gradually over the course of a couple months. Which doesn't happen with you, but yeah. But you know what I mean? It's like you pop in, you pop out, you're like, that's all. That's all. It's a dream to pop in. I love to pop in. Popping in is the dream. Yeah. Popping in is the dream. I really, that was what I did a thing in overcompensating where I was in it for like two scenes. By the way, mind you, one of them got cut. And shout out to Benny. Benny? But truly popping in is the dream. I was like, they've all been there forever. They're exhausted. I come in for two days. I'm a fucking delight. You're a delight. Leave. Then you leave. And you get to like, I also, it's like I can find a fabulous establishment anywhere for two days. Like, do you know what I mean? You go to the one restaurant. You go to the one coffee shop. Yes. But when you're there for three months, you're like, all they have is this one type of food or this one place. But if you're there for a second, you're like, I want to sample their cheesecake factor or whatever their, like whatever their like diner, whatever, like, I feel like every state has like some random thing or restaurant that you're like, I'm going to pop into this and like experience this. The first, I 100% identify with what you're saying. The first two days in any place. Yes. You're like, I get why people live here. I envision my whole life there. And then week six in Wilmington, you're like, someone must kill me. Someone must kill me. I have nothing to eat. I've run out of stuff. I've run out of stuff. You also, you want to tell the residents of the town, you're like, you choose to live here all the time. Why did you, why are you going to the same? There's only one museum here and it's kind of a joke. And I've been three times. And I've been a bunch and I don't know how you keep going. Yeah. And they're like, we don't go. And I'm like, okay. Okay. So, so you have a family. Okay. I need to look into that. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, the school system is really good here. Okay. Got it. Okay. You saw different priorities. Yeah. You're not me. But then if I'm there for two days, I do fantasize about living in a town. Also, like I can really get behind like, do you know how in like random towns are sort of like fashion for that town? Yes. Like you walk by a store and it's like knit ponchos. I'm like, I need six of those. I'm a knit poncho girl. I'm a knit poncho girl. I live in this random town in like upstate New York and I go to their one bakery. Like that. That's the fantasy. It's the knit poncho assonance. Yeah. And I'm leading the charge. Yep. Yeah. I'm moving to Beacon. I'm getting up there. Done. Well, okay. I have to ask you. I want to ask you about the show. You're, what can you tell me about it? Can you tell me what it's about? Can you tell me who's in it? Can you tell me what you're loving and hating? I can tell you the title because we just said it. I know. I'm so excited. It's called I Love L.A. I love L.A. I love L.A. That song bangs, by the way. That song fucking bangs. I listened to it when we were moving out here from Chicago, like a bunch of our friends. That was like a big joke because we were playing that for weeks. Yes. Get into it. Get into it. We love it. I feel like it's also layered because when you first moved here, did you love it right away? Like what was your journey with when you moved here? I actually did. I mean, I don't live here anymore, but I moved here during COVID. Yeah. It was such a funny thing where everything was shut down. Yeah. No one was on the freeways. So I was just like every day for fun, me and Chance and Shelby and a couple other buddies who had moved here around the same time, we were just the only thing we could do is like COVID test, get in the car, drive around together with the windows down, listen to music. And so I was just driving around L.A. being like, this place is gorgeous. Yeah. There's no traffic. There's no traffic. And that's how I got to know, like driving around L.A. Yeah. And then, yeah, the second thing started coming back. It just felt like it felt like we were in the most special place on earth. Yeah. And I do feel that L.A. is like such a beautiful special city. Yeah. Is that is the show, why did you choose I Love L.A. for the title? I think like it was because I moved here also during COVID, but I had a, and by the way, the memory of all there was to do was take COVID test. That took up so much time of our life. Yes. And I took like so many different, I did like spit in a jar, fill the whole jar with your spit, no swab, like mouth temperature, cone thing. It was really interesting. Mind you, I got the vaccine from two soldiers in a parking garage in Long Beach. Like it was a scary time. It was scary. And I cried. When you got the vaccine. When I got the vaccine, I cried. I literally stepped outside the parking garage in Long Beach and I was like, like I was like seeing colors again for the first time. It was insane. They're like, stay here for a little bit, you might pass out. I was like, I don't care. I don't care. I would love to die at this parking garage. I would love to with these two, with soldiers. Soldiers. National guards, people were like, okay, lift your sleeve. I was like, yes, sir. Yes, sir. Like I was scared, but I was ready. Yeah, totally. I feel like I came here to be on a sitcom. And I didn't really know it was a sitcom. Oh, I remember this game. When I did it. Yeah. Because I auditioned for it before COVID and then I just got the pilot, but then they picked up the show. But I was like, I didn't realize it was like on a stage. I was so confused. I didn't know anything. And I like crashed my car like one week into being in LA. My rental car, it was a disaster. And there were really bad fires and I was living in North Hollywood. Same. That is such a, by the way, by the way, moving to North Hollywood is a rite of passage. You have to. You have to. You have to. I was like, and do you know how they like pop up those like buildings that are like, this used to be a parking garage. Now it's a parking garage with three apartments over it. That was like where I was staying. And I remember I like got out of my car, like out of my Uber, out of the airport. And I walked up to the building and there was human shit, like a huge amount of human shit. I love LA. I love LA. I love LA. It was like, it was just a steaming pile of shit, like right outside the door and the sky was like brown from the fires. And I was like, fabulous. Okay. My dream has come true. My dream has come true. And so I think like it took me, I think it's like a little bit, the perspective of like moving from a different coast and like figuring it out, but then like loving so much about it. But yeah, that was that also like, I'm not a good driver. Like I have gotten into so many cars. How many cars since have you gotten in? Oh God, probably. I want to know what a normal amount is before I say a lot. Okay. Yeah. Before I say my number. Yeah. We're doing body count. Yeah. It's like what's your number? I'll do like three less than that. Yeah. God, I don't know. I guess maybe I'm trying to think, I think, I think three. I think three. Yeah. Okay. Ever. Or in our life. A total of life? A total of life. Really? And one was a deer in high school. Okay. So is that making you feel really bad? Because I don't want to make you feel bad. I want to say some of my car accidents, I'm calling them car accidents, are like little scratches or scrapes like in a parking garage. I have- I'll go to five then. I'll go to five. Okay. I can go to five on that. Okay. If it's hitting something in a parking garage, I can go to five. Okay. Okay. Yours is, is yours north of 20? No, no, no. Well, just the way you're, you're responding, I'm like scared for you. But it's like each one is like, you know, is one, you know? I got my most, you know, like, my most recent car accident was on Valentine's Day. Yeah. And it was a disaster. And the thing that I, that, that I really struggle with is like not immediately taking fault. Yeah. To be fair, it was fully my fault. I changed lanes at a stoplight where no one was moving and a car was coming and I just, I checked, but I didn't, I, I have a hard time like guessing the speed of other cars and also like knowing how close other cars are to mine and then also how big my car is. Yeah. Those are some pretty important things. Yeah. I get my license. Each one is a one. Yeah. Each one of those. So I got, I got overwhelmed. So anyways, he, he crushed, basically I went into the lane without warning from zero speed to fast speed and he crashed into my car and then he, we both got out of our cars and then he was like mad at me, totally fair. Totally. Totally fair. That's his right. Yeah. And I like immediately was like, I'm so sorry, whatever, blah, blah, blah, because you're not supposed to do that, but it, I just was like, I know this is my fault. I totally know this is my fault. Yeah. Anyways, at the end of it, he said, happy Valentine's Day and I think the. In, in what way? Just in like a like happy Valentine's Day, I guess. It was like so. Okay. Loving him actually. Loving him. He was actually really sweet after I was said, sorry. Yeah. And then it was totally fine. No one was her. There was just damage to both cars that I had to pay for, which was ultimately an upgrade, but it's okay. It's okay. It's okay. But that was my most recent one was Valentine's Day. So it's actually been a while. It's been a while. That's that's months ago, by the way. I feel like I, we talked about this, it's like every six months. Once you get in a car accident, you're safe for six months. Yeah, totally. And also, and then you get in another. I just want to say to your defense, like you're a beautiful sweet girl in LA who works in entertainment. They should have like a subsidy for you. Like twice a year, some network should pay for your car accident. Yes. Like Warner Brothers pay for this. Come on, just cover it. She's a beautiful, fun young woman. I'm driving to work stress. She's making TV so that nurses can watch something when they get off shift. Like pay for her car accidents. People. Yeah, exactly. She's going to merge without signaling. Yes. I don't know what to say. Sorry. I can't signal, I'm thinking of ideas. Hello. She's breaking story. I'm being creative. She's breaking story. She has to merge without signaling. Yeah, I can't. We need a C runner now. Yes. We need a C story runner now. No, we can't, we can't be, yeah. I, one time in college, I hit a girl. Hold on. I was turning in my car. Okay. And this girl, she was in the right. She was driving. I was turning. She hit my car. Okay. She was in a car. Yo, yeah, yeah, yeah. Sorry. Yeah, yeah. Girl was in car. I hit a car that contained a girl. Okay. Totally. Already I'm on your side. Right. It's like the car contained a girl. I had no way of knowing that. Yeah. I wouldn't, by the way, if I knew it was a girl in there, I never would have done this. Never would have. But I turned in a way that forced her to hit me. It was totally my fault. We got out and I was like, oh my God, I'm so sorry. And she was like, I actually come to your improv shows every week. And I was like, oh my God, that's so sweet. Do you want to go to dinner? And then we went to dinner and she was like, it's crazy how you made me hit you back there. I was like, I know girl. And then we talked about life. And I was like, I have an improv show tonight. Do you want to come? She's like, yeah, I was putting on going. I was like, okay, do you remember this? And she came. I believe her name was Becca maybe. Becca. But she came to the improv show. And then I was like, I was like, hey, no pressure at all. But do you think our parents could just talk this out kind of buddy style without the insurance companies? And she was like, I'll ask my dad. And her dad was like, absolutely not. So I didn't have to pay for that. But you did the dad. Do you want to come to my improv show? How do you feel about improv comedy, sir? Yeah. And he said, I feel like give me your insurance. I feel like, yeah, give me that card right now. Go ahead and call Geico. Yeah. Oh my God. But yeah, girls, yeah, girls and entertainers, like I just think we deserve to merge. Yeah. We just, we, we were thinking we're juggling a lot. We're juggling a lot and we have a lot going on. And it's like people think being an entertainer is so easy, but you try thinking of a third act, interesting scenario while signaling that you're going to turn. You can't. You can't. You could never. No. And nor can I. Nor can I. I can't do it. By the way, I can't do it. I've never thought of a good idea, but I'm trying. But I'm trying. But I'm in for it and I'm trying. I also, I, when you said I hit a girl, I've been hit by a car walking. OK. But I'm OK, obviously. She's good. She's good, everybody. But I'm totally fine. It was on the Shakespeare Bridge in Los Feliz. OK. And it's like, do you know that intersection? It's sort of like three walkways. Yeah. But to cross, you're sort of asking minimum three, sometimes four cars not to drive, which is really hard to do when you're in LA is to ask a car not to drive. Cars love to drive in LA. Cars love to drive in LA. In New York, it's like sort of like good luck. But here it's like you're asking a lot. Well, in New York, you just bang on the hood and you go, I don't know. But in LA, you have to go like. I don't know. I don't know. I may. Yeah. You know, it's different. Even if it's a walk signal. Yeah. So anyways, I'm walking. I'm on the phone with my friend Emma and I'm like, whatever, complaining, blah, blah, blah, and then a car turns and hits me, but like slowly. Yeah. And it was like a low car. I don't know the name of any cars. That's OK. Except for like truck. Yeah. Truck. No. And that's one of the biggest types, by the way. Yes. Like in your defense. Truck is one of the main cars. Truck is one of the main cars. And thank God it wasn't a truck. It was like a low car. It was like a little car. Yeah. It was like a business car. It was like. Yes. Like I think of like someone who like goes to an office. That's kind of the car they drive. They have like a small clutch. Small clutch. Yeah. Little purse. Yeah. And the front of it was long. If anyone knows what kind of car this is, let me know. At the moment, it sounds like an El Camino. That's old. Yes. OK. But that's one of the types of cars. One of the types of cars. Especially in the way. It was like a medium new. OK. It felt like they bought it used but good. Yeah. Anyways, she hits me and I sort of fall onto the car. My phone gets knocked down on my hand, my water bottle, and then I fall on the ground. Where? OK. So can I just ask, when the car hits you, so if these are your legs and they have the knee joints. Yeah, yeah. Do you get hit like this and fall back onto the car? Or do you get hit from the side? It's sort of like I saw the car coming and I go, I go, whoa, whoa, whoa. Hey. Hey. Mr. Whoa, whoa, whoa. I literally was trying. You're on one skate holding pizza boxes. Yeah. It's like, they can't hear you if they're making the turn. They can't see. You know what I mean? Like it's like me saying, whoa, was not going to stop. But I go, whoa, whoa, whoa, and sort of turn towards the car. Really good survival and stakes. And so then I land kind of like on it, but then I fall back on the ground. Water bottle and phone out of my hand. Yeah. Then it's like already this is like a packed intersection. Everybody like stops. There's like a couple walking their dog. I start to cry because I'm like scared or whatever. You think about your car, yeah. Because I got hit by a car. I can't explain it, but I do start to cry randomly. I just do to cry and embarrassing. And then the woman who hit me, she gets out of her car. She starts crying. This is beautiful. Which I would also do if I were her. This is frankly sisterhood of the traveling pants. Literally. This is the yaya sisterhood. Yep. And she starts crying. And then everyone's sort of like looking. Wins knocked out of me, and I have little scrapes, but I'm fine. I get up. I forget, by the way, that my friend is on the phone. So they're my friend, Emma, they're like listening to this whole thing. And it's like, by the way, imagine me on the phone being like, yeah, I just, I think it's weird that they didn't reply to my email. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Car. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Whoa, whoa, whoa. It's so funny. Like bitching on the phone about something so unimportant. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Crash. I don't get out of bed for less than 50. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Literally. And then the couple walking the dog, they intervene in case like they're sort of trying to intervene between me and the woman that hit me. But me and the woman that hit me sort of connect immediately because she starts crying. She goes, this is so devastating. I'm on my way to a funeral. No. Yes. And by the way, if she's lying, brilliant. Brilliant. Brilliant. Brilliant. She goes, I'm on my way to a funeral and I'm so sorry. This just reminded me how precious life is. Well, and this is, you see what could happen if the world was only women? Do you see how a horrible thing immediately became like an interesting, beautiful musing on like our time here on earth? Yeah. If it was a man, he would have been like, you dumb bra. You know, it's like, why are you walking down the road? What do you mean? Whoa, whoa, whoa. What do you mean? And then, and then the couple with the dog was sort of like, are you okay to me? I was like, yes. And then to the woman, they were like, are you okay? And she was like, no. Then she gets back in the car, drives away. I sort of pick up the phone and say to my friend, Emma, like, don't worry, I'm not dead. Emma was like, that was crazy. And then it was fine, but it was sort of the, it was almost awkward after we all realized, like, we were all fine. Because then the couple was like, all right, we're just going to walk, do the rest of the walk with our dog. And the woman was like, I'm going to go to the funeral. Everyone's like embarrassed that they made a big deal. Yeah, no, literally, I was like, I'm just going to go home. It's all good. Yeah. But that was my car hit. Yeah. Your wo wo wo reminds me of something I do, I bike in New York a lot. Yeah. And many times on a bicycle in New York, someone's about to hit me and I'll just go, don't. I just yell, don't. Don't. And then they usually don't. Yeah. See, the thing is though, is that I feel like a verbal warning is helpful. And it's also like an energy thing. Yeah. When you go, don't. Wo wo wo. Wo wo wo. I'm going to try don't next time. Try don't because it works. Because wo wo wo sort of feels like, I can't believe this is happening. Versus like, don't is like, stop right there. It's not going to happen. Stop. I had like, truly a week ago, I was biking in Bushwick, a humiliating thing to have to say out loud. Because it's just like, of course you were. Of course. You know what I mean? I was biking through Bushwick and this woman, this woman like, threw her door open and almost door me to death. Yeah. And I like swerved and I was like, God damn it. And then she gets out of the car and she was a beautiful young woman. And she goes, she goes, I'm so sorry. I'm a huge fan. And I was like, not now. Not now. I was like, girl, that means the world to me. Not now. But not now. Yeah. No, no, you almost killed me. No, but truly it was psychotic how quickly I turned out. She said that and I was like, thank you for watching. You're like, should we do a video? And do you want me to say happy birthday to anyone? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm like, I'm like, do you want a picture? Do you want a picture? I immediately went into psycho mode, but it was, it was scary. It was scary, but beautiful. Again, beautiful. Beautiful. If only women and gay people got into conflict. Peace. Because when two women are crying, it's like no one's at fault. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like when you got hit by that car, you were both women crying. So everyone just agreed like nothing happened here. It neutralized the situation. Yeah. Yeah. If I think if a woman, I did actually, I let a woman hit me with her car one time, my car with her car that was containing each of us. She re-ended me and she got out and she was, she fucked up the back of my car. And this is when I was like very broke. Yeah. She fucked my car up and she got out and she was like, I'm so sorry. Like my kids are in there and like everybody's okay, but like I have no idea how I'm going to pay for this, but like I'm going to figure it out. And I was like, get out of here. I was like, go. I was like, go. She was like, no, we have to call someone. I was like, get out of here. And I let her go. And then she- You're like, I'll let them take me. You're like, it's like, she's like, well, we can just leave. She's like, no, we do get to make that choice. I'm like, go before they get here. You're like, I'm going to jail for the rest of my life. I don't care. Go, go, go. You be free. I'm going to take this. And truly she left. And then like 10 minutes later, I was like, my neck hurts and my car's broke. Yeah. You're like, hold on. I was like, what do we just do? I was like, truly my neck hurts and my car's fucked up. Yeah. But it was like, you know, she had other shit going on. Yeah. Girls are going through a lot sometimes. Girls are going through a lot. Yeah. Oh my God. Kids in the car is rough. Kids in the car is crazy. Yeah. And it's like, of course, my neck is a little fucked up, but your kids are in there. Yeah. Hold on. I want to show you something. OK. OK. I'm scared. Don't be scared. It's going to be beautiful, I think. OK. OK. I just have to, oh, gosh, it's just so tough because I don't want you to have to see all of it. You know? Yeah. There's just one little thing I want to show you, if that's OK. Yes. So you, well, I'll just, I'll just show you. Oh, can we show it on the screen, Chance? Yes. Well, I just want the image. I just want the image. Now, Rachel. Oh my God. This is an image from you. This is an image from you and Lea Mizrahab. Lea Mizrahab. Lea Mizrahab. I want to know how this informed where we are today because you are this iconic actress with this incredible HBO show. Wow, you really are trying to cancel me. But it's her, you know. It's her. Wait, is this bad? No, it's not. It's just, it's just. Oh my gosh, by the way, we will cut this. No, no, it's just the, what's really, let me explain. Go ahead. What's going on. OK. So I am playing Madame Tenerdee in my high school performance of Lea Mizrahab. Lea Mizrahab. Lea Mizrahab. And this is sort of me in between full costume and makeup. This is like a fitting photo, you know what I mean? Yes. So it's also the plays would run for two weekends in February. So it's the dead of winter. I've made the creative choice to wear heads. I don't know what that is. It looks just like a beanie. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. It's like a scarf. It's like trying to be ski core or something. But it looks, it's confusing because you're sort of like, what's the costume? Yeah. What's her? What's her? What's the costume? Where does it end? Yes. And what's crazy is that what's her, what's me is worse, is crazier than the costume. And the costume is crazy. But beautiful. Thank you to the designers. Shout out. Jack Sullivan's mom. Shout out. But the, yes, there's a lot, there's a lot going on. I will say playing Madame Stardier and being in Les Miz, I'm not wearing it there, but I wore a corset. And it was the first time I connected with my boobs. Really? Yes. It was like, it was like, it was the first time I connected with my sexuality. I put that corset on. Everone treated me different. No. I was like, it changed my entire, like, do you know those movies where it's like, we've been losers all of high school. And then we have one last shot to like blow them all away. That was me. That was math. That was me. That was me. Ah! To being in Les Miz, wearing a corset, everything changed. It was like, I was a loser and then all of a sudden, by the way, I wasn't like cool, but then I had boobs and it changed like everything and different people started to talk to me. I also, in my mind, it was because I was good in the play, but looking back, I think it was just that I wore a corset. We're all doing some version of that. We're all doing some version of that, but that was like a, that was a big shift. Yeah. Was it like a big, was it like a big thing to get that role? Like, did you feel like, oh my God. Yes. Because I was ensemble every other year. Yeah. I didn't do theater. So I hear about these things and I'm like, oh my God, getting a role must have been like, whoa. Huge. Because it was like, it was like every, there was definitely like a hierarchy. There were people that were expected to be roles. There was the whole, the cast list ever running to it, all of that stuff. Yeah. And. Was it a physical list that you would run to? Yes. Okay, that fucking rocks. And it was like, they would post it on like a Friday night. And so then people would drive back to school to see it and everyone would like run, but you didn't know what time he was going to post it. So it's like, you're waiting to see when it gets posted. And then you come and you look at it and like, and then everyone gets mad over the weekend and people text about it and like make weird posts. It was, yeah. They should do that. They should create like a, they should create a billboard in LA that's like just all the casting directors send who got what and your team isn't allowed to call you to tell you. You have to like go just look up at the billboard. You have to drive to the billboard. Yeah, you have to drive to the billboard. And it's just like hundreds of actors being like, fuck. And one guy being like, yeah. Yeah. And everyone hates that guy. And then if you do get it, you have to like maintain some sort of dignity and be like, great. I'm really happy and leave. Yeah. Yeah. Get in your car. Yeah. Yeah. I think that actually be really good for the community. I think so. I think like, let's stop doing all this in silence. Let's make the billboard. No. Yeah. Let's bring the group chats into real life. Yeah. Let's fight in front of the billboard. Let's fight. Let's have people fighting. Let's have people fighting in the streets. Over the rolls. Over the rolls. I think it would be really, really interesting actually. And I would like that. I think let's do it. Let's do it. So the show comes out in November. Yes. And tell me about the cast. Cast is fabulous. Love them all. We have Jordan Firstman, who you know. Odessa Azion, True Whitaker, Josh Hutcherson, Layton Meester. Crazy. We have some fun. I don't know how to call. There's, do you know how they're like, guest star, series regular. We have guest star. I don't know what which. The terms mean something. But it's like, yeah, I know what you're trying. I know what you're saying. You have fun people popping in. Fun people popping in. Quinn Blackwell, who's amazing. Moses Ingram, who's amazing. Yeah. The whole cast, like everyone. Everyone I feel like really blew me away with. Because when you're in the writer's room, oh my god, I have to talk to you about writer's room. Because you've. Get into it. Let's get into it. I never done one before. And then I'm running one disaster. I'm literally like, there's so much thinking. And like, there's so much like talking about thinking. And the risk of sounding really stupid. But it's like, you have to like say your thoughts out loud to other people. Usually I'm keeping my thoughts in my head, or I'm telling them to like one other person. All of a sudden you have to defend your ideas to a room full of people. It's truly like art by committee. It's like I'm giving my thought and everyone's sounding off on if it's good or not. It's horrifying. It's horrifying. Anyways, you get so into the headiness of it. And Claire, we talked about this a lot where it's like, when you're only in script, you get to a point where you're like, is this even real? Are any of these people even real? Like who is Maya? Okay, like she's made up. This is fake. And then like you bring in actors and they like add their sauce to it. And I feel like all of the actors who are on the show, like every one of them would just bring something so funny and unique and real and honest to the characters. Or sometimes like also you write a joke that sounds like too much like a joke. Like this is something that I think you're really brilliant at, which is like you can play anytime you're doing comedy. There's such like truth to it and like it's backed up by like this emotional honesty. And like I think that that's something that's so special because anytime you have someone who's like doing a joke when they're like, I'm doing the joke, it feels like it feels like when someone's like trying to make you come and they're like, you're coming. Like, do you know what I mean? Yeah, they're doing too much. Yes, too much. And it feels like it just feels like weird. And anyways, you have this and I feel like the actors on the show have this where it's like they just live in it and breathe in it and it allows it to play so much more. And like anytime I would hear that like we did table reads for all the scripts and then I would like hear them read it out loud and I would like breathe the sigh of relief because I would be like, okay, okay. This sounds like real. This sounds like people talking as opposed to like, like I hate when you can like hear the people on the type being like, this is funny. Like, you know what I mean? Yeah, you hate when and we all do it sometimes. I do it in my own writing a lot where you hear it read back to you or you hear it on its feet and you go, oh, it feels like I was trying to be clever. Yes. And I don't even know if I was, but that's just how it's reading in the room, you know. And I'm not even trying to be clever. I'm just trying to write a sentence. But it's like, which is hard enough. I'm getting in a car crash every six months trying to write one sentence. Yeah. But it's like, yeah. And then there is also the joy of like, like working with other writers and they all have like better ideas than you. And you're like, thank God, thank God you guys are here because like, I think that that is the exciting part of the collective is like, you get all these different ideas and perspectives and like stories. And I think it's fun, like even just like you and me going back and forth on our multiple car accidents for 10 minutes, like it's like one story sparks another story and whatever. And like that part was really fun for me getting to like hear everybody's different, like just ideas and like things that have happened to them where it's like, oh, that's genius. I never experienced that. Like I could never think of this idea on my own. Yeah. I mean, so many people are going to watch the show obviously because of you and because of HBO and the incredible cast that you have put together. Like what do you want the show to do for people? Like I think shows do different things. Like I think when you watch Girls or Sex in the City or a lot of these shows that you're probably like, you know, I think that are in conversation with like when people are thinking about your show, they're going like, oh my God, these incredible shows that have informed our culture. They do different things for different people. They make you want to live in New York or they make you want to be in a psychotic relationship or they make you want to like whatever, whatever, like what do you want the show to do for the people watching? I want, well, one thing that I would love is like I, when I was in college, like I would watch with my roommates like HBO shows Sunday nights and it was like we would make a huge thing of banana bread and then just like watch all the shows back to back to back. And I feel like there's something special about getting to like be a weekly show and sort of like create the anticipation and wait for something to drop. Like I think I always like felt like I got to be a part of something when I was doing that. And I love like having something to gossip about that's like not real but feels real. Like I got into the summer I turned pretty because I was like, I need my, what are my sister's taxi amount? I have to get into this and I'm so into it. And now I'm like, oh my God, oh my God, Conrad, like, oh my God. But like I, you, it's fun to like get into something. So I think that and then the show itself like I, I feel like I want people to have fun and feel like they're a part of the world of the show and like get to go on adventures with the cast. Like I think like, you know, drama happens, of course, drama happens in life. But I think like I recently have been like wanting to watch stuff that is like fun and like takes me to a place away from everything and like, for sure. Yeah. And like escape and have fun. Yeah. Yeah. It's so cool that you guys are doing it weekly. That's so exciting. I mean, I, I'm really craving and missing that the like event eyes like, Yes. No, we all tune in and we wait a little bit and we have some delayed gratification for anything ever anymore. Like I like that. I think it's fun and you get to like, it makes it like a ritual. Like, like I remember that was like our Sunday night ritual. It was like big little eyes, girls, whatever. And like you, I love to when they're like last week, these girls texted each other. Like, and then you're like, oh my God, I remember that. And it brings you back. Like, whoa, whoa, whoa. They're texting. Don't do that. Like that. Like I think that's really, that's fun and special. How are, okay. How are you balancing all of like, you're doing so much. Mind you, I would never show run a show in a million fucking years. Like when I heard you were doing that. It's a disaster. I was like, it's a huge mistake. No, I think it's, it really required, like I'm so impressed by that genuinely. And I, when I heard you were doing that, I was like, thank God, because I trust her to do that. Number one and number two, like I just am very, very impressed by that. And I don't know if people know how difficult and psychotic that is. And so you're balancing so many different things though. I feel like you've got all these different like irons in the fire. And obviously I imagine right now like show is the big thing. Yeah. I am show and anything else other than show. I am show. I am show. But like how are you, how are you balancing all of those things while you're doing this crazy big undertaking? I think I didn't know how psychotic it was when I did it. I was like, totally show run, like run the show. Perfect. And then I was like, oh, it's, I feel like I'm running an insurance company sometimes where you're like, I've got to do the paperwork. Like, and I think like it's a lot, but also everyone who works on the show is so incredible. Emma Berry, my co-showrunner is like amazing. Max Sylvesterie, who you know. Max is a genius. Genius. And he's one of our EPs, Lorraine Scaforia, who directed the pilot and two other episodes. Aida Rogers are one of our producer. Like everyone is so amazing. And then Amy and Ally who work at HBO are amazing. So I felt like, I never felt like judged that it was my first time doing it. And I was like able to be, I all constantly was like, so today we like you get an email being like, today we're going on a scout for this or we have a meeting, a mix thing or a this thing or whatever. And I'm like, I don't know what that is. Obviously I will be there, but I don't know what it is. I will show up. That's what I can promise you. I can promise you I'll be there. Claire and I will be there, but we don't know what's happening. And so literally there were times where I would like Google stuff and I would be like, what is this? Or what kind of they're like, we're looking to hire a, like this person for editing, blah, blah, blah. And the name of a job that I don't know. And I would be like, that sounds awesome. And then I get to the interview and I'm like, so what would you say this job entails? What do you do in your words? In your words, what happens when you come to the office? If you come at all, do you work from home? What is this? Let's walk through this. I hire you then what? What's next? What's next?! fades fades I'd written pilots, multiple pilots, but I had pitched multiple shows that never got sold and I had submitted scripts for staffing. I never got staffed. And so my only experience really was writing movies and writing bottoms. Just burping really quick. Just burping really quick. And so I know the shape of what a movie is supposed to be. But it's different than a TV episode. So one day in front of all the writers, I was getting really in my head about the shape of what an episode should be. And it's like all of our writers were lovely and no one would ever judge me. But still, you're in front of a group of people that you're supposed to be leading. So I walk up to the board and I draw a squiggly line and I'm like, so if a movie is like this and then a show is like, and then I start drawing these lines and I turn around and I look at the room and everyone's like... Like... Like... And I was like, so, I was like, fuck. How do I, how do I back away from this? And I look to Max and Max is like... Max is like, yo! Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, no, no, no, no, no. And I was like, then none of this matters. And I literally like, I literally like erase it as if it's like an exercise. I'm like, throw it away! We don't need this! Guys, screw it! Guys, formula! We're just, let's just blue sky, a word I learned two days ago. Like, it was like... It's house numbers, it's bad pictures. It's throw anything out there. We don't even need the board, burn it! Like, it was so, it was like, I so in that moment was like, I don't know what I'm doing. And it was so scary. Max in the corner being like... No, no, there would be so many moments. Max is amazing. And so is Emma, where I was like, they had so much more experience than me, but they never made me feel like I was stupid or like my ideas. Cause I still knew like what I wanted the show to be about. And I knew I had all these ideas for the season, but like, I didn't always know how to like express them. And I feel like there were so many times during the room where I would like start to say something. And then I would be like, and trailing off. And Max would be like, exactly. And so what Rachel's kind of said, the save, I was like, who, texting him under the table, like, thanks girl, needed that. But it was, yeah, it was definitely like a learning curve. And then the other thing that I feel like the process of show running is I would learn a new word and I couldn't stop saying it. Oh, of course. You learn a new word, you go, oh, I'm gonna run that. I'm gonna beat that into the dirt. I'm gonna like, when I learned the word vestigial. Oh, vestigial, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's go. Vestigial, when they're like, that's vestigial from the last draft, let's pull it. Now I'm like, in my life, I'm like, that shirt's vestigial, that's from 2018. Let's pull that shirt, it's a little vestigial. No, there's something addicting. There's a very specific language and way that people talk about making TV. Yes. That when I wrote for Big Mouth, like my first writing job, the whole first season really was me and Max was there and he's so such a brilliant mind for TV, that the whole first season was me just being like, someone would be like, oh, this dialogue feels sweaty and I'd be like, it does. It does feel sweaty. The dialogue's super sweaty, it's sweating all over us. Like learning the terminology of it and then season two, like having younger writers come in and being like, oh, now they're learning the way we talk about this. It's a lot of fun, it feels like I have a secret. I know, I'm like in a club. Yeah. Yeah, you're like, yeah, the different terms, that was really fun learning that. The other thing is I feel like I pulled different advice from like friends who had written on show. Like I guess I had the experience of when Io and I wrote our comedy central thing. She had already been a writer's assistant and I remember saying something to her that was like, it feels like we just re, we get notes and then we write it different and then we just go back to the old way. And she was like, uh-huh. Yeah. She's like, that's the whole process. I was like, okay, cool, just checking, making sure. But like texting different people who had done different things. Same with directing, because I directed for the first time, I directed one of the episodes and I was like the whole time we were shooting because I directed the finale, I was like stealing phrases from the other directors. Like Bill Benz would sometimes say, like just do like the stupid version, which is like the version where it's like so obvious what you're playing. And then like, what else did he say? Like a little bit of chaffa? Yeah. He's like, let's just get a little more chaffa off the top. I'm like, I love that, a little chaffa. I think I feel alive, I'm gonna get in. Just a little extra before we get in. We're gonna cut the chaffa, but we need a just in case. Like little terms like that or different ways people would do stuff like Laryn. Like I think like sometimes she would come over and like say something to really quiet. Like why don't you try to do that? And I was like, oh girl, I'm gonna take that. That's mine now. That's mine now. Like you try little things and I feel like, like my favorite part of the show running process as a whole is you get to work with so many like amazing people and learn from everyone. And it's like everyone wants the same thing, which is they wanna make something great. That was the other thing is I didn't feel like there was a single person who worked on the show who wasn't like, I'm giving my all, I'm bringing my best energy and like I want this to be good. So you're like, we're all on the same side. And even if we like disagree about how something should be, like if I have to defend my argument or my point of view to someone, then I have to like be better at expressing my idea, which in turn makes me like understand more why I think it should be that way. And sometimes in the process of explaining my point of view, I'm like, I'm wrong. Like you know what I mean? Sometimes you're like, well it has to be this way. Actually. So what you said. As it turns out. Is interesting. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, interrogating your point of view is like such a beautiful part of collaboration to be like, oh, I was dead certain that I was right about this. And then you see someone else talk about it and you're like, actually. I'm wrong. I'm willing to give on that. I'm willing to give on that. And I'm like, I'm totally willing to give if you have a better idea done. Yeah, let's do it. I'd rather have a better idea than whatever I thought of when I was crashing my car this morning. Ha ha ha ha ha. Rachel, I have a question for you. Okay. You know we ask everyone on the show, what's so true to you? Okay. What's so true to me is that like, I think everybody needs. A toxic, in a fun way, not like, you know, but everyone needs like a toxic relationship where they get dragged through the dirt. Yeah. Or if you don't have that, maybe like a really bad friendship. Ha ha ha ha ha ha. To shape your personality. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, it's necessary. You need it. It's crucial. You have to go through hell. Yeah. You have to go through hell with somebody. Yeah. You have one of those. You have to. And then it's like where, cause anyone who's like, I learned healthy boundaries on my own, it's like, you think that? But then you even, let's say, you have like the perfect childhood. Everyone's kind to you and you learn like healthy boundaries. It's like, you don't actually know healthy boundaries cause they haven't been tested yet. By somebody truly evil. By a crazy person. Ha ha ha ha ha ha. Get a crazy person in there. Cause there's crazy people out there. So you need to, you need to experience a crazy person. What do you mean test your wellness? Yes. Yeah. And then the boundaries really, they lock in. And you need, I think it needs to be like, tested against something. Also being with a crazy person in any kind of relationship. It's awesome. It's genuinely. It's kind of awesome. Creative, romantic, platonic. It doesn't matter. Sometimes a crazy person enters your life and you're like, I like how insane you are. This feels good. This feels good. Yeah, it's nice. Boundaries do start to dissolve a little bit because you're like, I know we're being crazy, but it's so fun. But it's kind of fun. Yeah. And then after you do it, then after the fun part goes away, it goes, gets really bad. And then you go, okay, this is what I have my boundaries for. And then you can, and then after, this I feel like is my journey, is I was like no boundaries at all. And then I got to this area where I was like, it's all boundaries. And that walls are bright and cement. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Boom, boom, boom, boom. Don't come in here. It's like all these little rules that I came up with. I have so many little rules. I live by little rules that are like, if I don't have my brown broth and I can't move, and then if I don't have my minutes alone and I have to meditate and I can't see someone on weeknights, like whatever, all these things. And those are awesome too. But then once you really feel good in your rules, then you can sort of peel back on rules and go, this Wednesday, I'm going out to dinner. Like, do you know what I mean? Or like, I'm going to have milk at plan. I'm having milk. Hello. I know it hurts my tummy. I'm doing it anyway. I'm having milk tonight. I truly had a milk night last week. Milk night! I was like, I'm having full theory, Ben and Jerry's, and I will feel bad in the morning. It doesn't matter because you know, this is the other thing that's great. It's like when you're younger, like something happens and you're like, wait, why is this happening? Why is my stomach hurt? Why do I feel crazy out of control? Why am I like, completely like, unable to stop myself from whatever, being in this thing with this person, whatever. You don't know what's going on. Then you learn. Then you know and you go, I don't want to do it. But then after time you go, now that I know, I can do it a little. Cause I know my stomach's going to hurt tomorrow. That's okay, I'll plan. I'm going to do, exactly, exactly. It's like you plan milk night for when you don't have something early the next morning. No. And then you have ship morning. You have ship morning. It's milk night into ship morning. Yeah. Yeah. It'll be Monday. No, but you're actually saying something so real, which is like, you do just, you go, okay, I figured things out. I made my rules. I lived really strictly about this, that or the other, this relationship or this food or this, whatever. And then once you know the consequences and you fully reckon with them, then you're like, I can break the rules. I'll just plan on how I break them. I plan on how I break them. Yeah. Yeah. Really, really good. Yeah. The other thing, this part kind of sucks is like, do you know like when you're going through like a hard time? Never happened to me. Really? I've never had a hard time. Isn't that crazy? Totally. Yes, I know when you're going through a hard time. When you're going through a hard time. And before I would only realize that it was a hard time after I would be like, wait, that was a really hard time. Now I realize that when I'm in it, I'm like, shit. And you're sort of like, you know, that it'll be over at a certain point. So you can't even do the drama. Like to me, it used to be like, if I was going through a breakup or something, I would be like, it's over. It's over. Like, you know what I mean? I would just like throw myself into it. And now you're like, this will pass. Yeah. I'll be OK. Couple nights with the girls. It'll be fine. And you're like, I kind of miss the not knowing of like what's going on. This is the, I think about this all the time when I think about like the kids in my life. Like my little cousins and stuff that I'm like, I love you so much. And I want you, I want to give you lessons as quickly as I can so that your path in life will be easier. But the number one thing I can't give you that makes life so much easier is just data. That you have been through things and you've seen yourself, you've had a hard time and then you've had an easier time and then it's gotten hard again. And you look back and go like, oh, this is how I got through that hard time. You create your steps. You create your processes. You surround yourself with certain types of people. I can't give you data. You will just have to live through some really uncomfortable moments to get to the place you're talking about of like, yeah, I can't really do the drama because I know this, yeah, this week sucks. And next week it won't. And that's just what it is. And that's just what it is. And it doesn't matter if you tell them there were so many things my mom told me that I was like, OK, bitch. And then literally years later, I was like, she was right. Nailed it. She was right. Nailed it. She literally took me like, sorry, back to the milk. But my mom was like, you're allergic to milk. I took you to a doctor. I was like, you're a liar. I'm having milk. I'm having milk. Every night is milk. And then I was like, oh, OK. And then I discovered all these other milks that are delicious. But it's just like a rule where it's, or even like, being in a bad relationship, your friends, your mom, or whatever, could be like, you shouldn't do this. And you go, OK, I'm going to do it for two more years. And then never again. But it's like those types of things, it's like you can tell them, but they're going to learn them on their own. They need their own data. They need their own data. Everybody has to get their own data. Everyone has to get their own data. And you'll figure it out. You'll figure out what you are good and bad at when things go good and bad. Totally. Yeah. Rachel, we have a segment for you. This one has nothing to do with high school theater. Am I drinking too much water? No, not enough milk, though. I feel like I'm drinking so much. No, it's really, really important. You're actually setting a great example for everyone watching. This is a segment we play with everyone, Rachel. True or false? I'm going to read you 15 statements. You're going to tell me as quickly as you can if you think what I just said is true or false. If you get 10 or more correct, Rachel, we're going to give you $50 US dollars. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. OK, are you ready? OK, OK. OK. A goldfish's memory span is only three seconds. True. False. It can be several months. Carrots improve your vision. True. True. Basketball was invented by a Canadian. True. True. The first email was sent in 1971. True. True. There are no active six flags theme parks in the United States. False. False. Simsbury, Connecticut's sister city is Whitman, Germany. True. True. Sutton Foster was born in Australia to American parents. True. False, Georgia. Fuck. 30 Rock was nominated for 56 Emmys. True. False. 114. Fuck. Fuck. Champanzis can't swim. I've seen them walking around in the water. True. True. OK. Blackberry's last phone was released in 2018. Blackberry the phone? Blackberry's last phone was released in 2018. False. True. Fuck. There are 108 cards. There are 108 cards and a standard deck of UNO cards. I hate games. They're stressing me up so much. True. True. NYU's motto is look to the future. True. False. Fuck. To persevere and to excel, Jingle Bells was originally written for Thanksgiving. True. True. The trick's rabbit's real name is Arnold. True. False. He has no real name. 99% of our solar system's mass is the sun. False. True. Fuck. How'd she do? Oh, so close. It's so close. Damn, I'm sorry. If you need $50 though, call me, girl. You know I've got you. OK, OK, thank you. I've always got you. I will always hold you down like that. OK, thank you. You will. I really will. I really will. I remember you treated me for dinner our first night in Toronto. Do you remember that? Pasta. Pasta. It was a delicious meal, and it was so beautiful. It really was. It was such a funny, like our little life in Toronto was like Rachel and I were hanging out every day for a little bit actually. It was perfect. It was cute. We went and bought a sweater. You got a big Canadian flag sweater. Do you remember that? I do. It was cutie. And we went out too. We did. We were fun back then. We were fun back then. No, all we do is work. Not grandma and grandpa. Grandma and grandpa talking about data and milk. Talking about the memory of a goldfish. OK, so the show is coming out. Very, very excited about that. It comes out in November. Are you going to go on a vacation? Are you going to go away for a little bit? What are you going to do when you get free time again? I am going to hopefully move. I need to move. A big stressful thing. A big stressful thing. I need to move. I need to repair my relationships with my loved ones. You know how it's like you go away and you give no one any time. Apology to her. Yes. And then, sorry, one other thing Claire and I were talking about was we were like, you make promises the whole time. You make promises during the shoot, which is like you're like, when we wrap, I'm going to be at the club. Yeah, I'm going to be out. I'm out. Dinner Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. Let's go on a weekend trip. I think we should all go to Cape Cot. It's like what? It's like promises after promises. By the way, it's like no one's even holding me to them, but I've like made them up in my head. Yeah. And so I am looking forward to doing two spending time with my loved ones again. And going to the club with them, as I've said. I'll be making good on promises. I'll be making good on promises. That's my big plan. I truly relate to that so much. I was so when I was on tour in the spring, I was like this. I mean, they're already laughing because truly you should have seen all of tour, you know, getting doing show until midnight, getting up at 4 a.m. for a flight to a new city like that. The whole tour, I was like this summer, you're not going to fucking hear from me. I'm going to Europe. I'm not. No one's going to work every hour of the day. And it was just like the curtains blocking out the light in here. Fuck it's 4 a.m. You're like, good morning. Hey, what's up, y'all? I'm yeah, I worked every fucking minute of the summer and I'm just laughing at my old self that was making these promises. I know you'll be lucky if you even get a text back for me this summer. No, I was on the phone every hour. Every hour. Yeah, you're like completely reachable. Total. Yeah. If I'm anything, it's reachable. I'm reachable. Unfortunately, I'm reachable. Yeah, you can get ahold of me. Yeah. I got my phone on do not disturb. Everyone in my life just calls through it. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Everyone just calls twice. They're like, I had to call twice again. I'm like, I know. I know. I was trying. I was trying to set a boundary. Yeah, no, no one respects it. And it's like. They're laughing because they don't. Yeah, they're like, oh my god. Caleb, we need we need to schedule tomorrow. Pick up. Peril, I just love you, Rachel. I love you so much. I'm so excited about the show. I'm so happy that we got to talk to talk. This is the other thing, last thing, to hang out with your friends, you have to schedule like a podcast or a work. It's really a work. You have to schedule a podcast or a work or a work. Yeah. And I'm so glad you don't count doing this podcast as a work. This is not a work. It's a different thing. This is a different thing. Dude, thanks for being on. Thank you for having me. We did it with Rachel. Yeah. That was a hit down podcast.