“Never Go Full Red”

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You know, that's big brother. That's what people in the 40s and 50s were afraid of. I guess nobody's afraid anymore. I am. I am. I think with good reason. The Tony Kornizer Show is on now. So I should say to begin with that I take back nothing on that. You know, I'm afraid of this. And I think it's terrible. I'll give you just another example. The United States government has decided that no taxes will be paid. I heard this from my accountant. No taxes will be paid by check. Everything has to be done on electronic mail. What? So, like, okay, so in other words, you're changing the rules in the middle of the game. If I had and I did and I do have four different vouchers to prepaid taxes for the tax year of 2025, which is just going to conclude in a couple of days, you have, you know, you have to send in money beforehand. So the first three vouchers I sent in with checks. Now I'm told by my accountant, I can't send the fourth one in, which is due January 15th. Yeah, I can't send that in by check. And I said, well, what do you mean? I don't know how to do it this other way. I said, how can the government disenfranchise? I don't know 10, 15% of its people. I'm not the only person who's uncomfortable with this. I'm not the only person who doesn't know how to do this. I don't know how to do this. And you'll say, well, you have an accountant. Okay, there are a lot of people who don't, and they don't know how to do this. And they're not going to be able to send in money. They're not going to be able to pay taxes, and then they're going to get fined. And it's arbitrary by the government saying this is the only way you can do that. They should at least grandfather in people of a certain age. Right. Yeah, if you like, use it this way, keep doing it, we'll be fine. Just the slow roll. I just, yes, I just, I don't get it at all. Or the biggest issues because checks are no longer safe through the mail. There's a way that you can bring them into a secure location. Sure, happy to do that. Happy to drop them off wherever you want. Happy to do that. But it's check. I don't know how to do this other. I don't know how. And again, well, you have pros to do it for you. Okay, but what about people who don't? They don't know how either. They're just like me, except they don't have the ability to turn to someone else and say, please do this for me. It's not not right. I'm getting email again. I'm now getting it on AOL. Michael went through all sorts of things to get me to AOL. I AOL, I was just told is closing up within a week. So I have to move from AOL to something else. I had 984 email waiting for me. It took me a while to go through them all. Got through. I would like to publish our series of text messages over the Christmas break because I have learned a level of patience that I did not know was possible. I just, I don't want to do this. I don't like this. I don't like anything about this. I no longer have my regular email that I used to have. And I'm, every time I go on email now on AOL, I have like 50 waiting for me and they're 48 or junk, right? 48 or ridiculous. Yeah, I don't, I just, I can't even unsubscribe the way I used to. Do you want me to explain to you what I think happened? Sure. So when you try and add your AOL or another ad email to the iPhone mail function, there's an extra step that you have to do. But because of the accessibility features that you've turned on, it is, it got to be so zoomed in, you could not scroll down to the decline offer or to the gray X out. Couldn't get anything. But how about this? I was able to show you how to download the AOL app through the app store. I was unable to take a screen grab and say, here is the icon where if you press on this, and I'm using the highlighter feature here, if you press on this, you can add in your information and get it. What about the people who don't have a son like you? I'm tech, I'm tech supportive at this point. What is this? I'm on the AOL payroll. I can't tell you how many people at Columbia have come up to me who've heard this and say, I'm with you. I've totally with you. I don't understand. They just reach into your phone, which is the same as reaching into your life. And they change it. Why can't they just take your money? Why can't they just take your social security? They can. Well, yeah, they can. They can when he's in that check. They will. I just just let me give let me tell another story. I played a lot of golf this weekend. Very cold in Washington. Never got over about 41 or 42. Without wind, it's not terrible. With wind, you have to stop on Friday. I went out in a shotgun on Friday and started on number three. At number eight, ice balls were falling on us. Oh, yeah. Ice balls. Yeah. They were falling all over the green. You couldn't putt because the ice balls redirected the putt. And plus, let me emphasize this. Ice balls were falling on us. Dry, dry ice balls. It was not wet. It was very odd. Yeah. I guess it's hail. I don't know. Sleep maybe. I don't. I thought sleep was wetter. These were not wet. That's how it hits the ground. So nothing says I've had enough of my family like a post Christmas golf shotgun. Yeah. So we, you know, at we quit at 15. With playing conditions. Quit at 15. So, you know, I had a number of events in which I didn't go to full 18. Once or twice I did. And a couple of times I did not go the full 18. And now it's fine. It was satisfactory. Yesterday I went 16 holes and I was totally fine with it. Steve Rose and I played 16. It's totally fine. Yesterday was much, much nicer. Well, don't get crazy. It wasn't much, much nicer because there was 15 mile an hour wind and it never got over 41. And that wind gets to you if it's at a low temperature. If there's no wind, it's fine. But when gets to you. Anyway, here's what happened on earlier last week before the shotgun. So on Wednesday, I went out to play on Wednesday because it was my first day without PTI and I don't have anything else to do. I don't know what to do. So I went out and I played and I was cold and I came in and I was really cold. And I went, it was in the pro shop with the head pro Steve Del Mar. I liked very much. And he was talking with Chris LeMond. Chris LeMond grew up at Columbia. Chris LeMond's dad was at Columbia. Chris LeMond is a very fine golfer, right? Michael has been a fine golfer his whole life. Great player. Fine, fine golfer. And Chris LeMond, and I say it's cold out there and Chris LeMond walks over to a shelf and pulls down something that looks sort of like I'm holding it up. What would you say that looks like? It looks like a muffler. A muffler. It looks like a muffler. It is in a bright blue with a Columbia logo. The bright blue is more of a Duke blue than a Carolina blue. Yes, very much. And Chris LeMond says to me, this is a game changer. This changes everything. And I go, what is it? He says, it's heat. It's heat. You put your hands in it and it. Now I look at it and I go, it just looks like what the quarterbacks wear. Right. Looks like what the quarterbacks wear. Breedy. Right. So I look at it and I go, oh, that's, you know, okay. And I look at Delmar. Now you got to understand this is the holiday season. Everything's 50% off in a pro shop, everything. I go, how much is that? This would be marked up considering the weather. How much is that? You want to take a shot at how much this is? Michael. Oh, with the, uh, with the pro shop discount or the list price? List price. List price. I'm going 150. I'll go $75. Okay. You both underbid. It's 180. Okay. Now, so that, that is jolting, but thanks to my son. And his friends, I have shop credit. What would I say, Michael? I got about $250. What's the shop credit? You'd have hundreds given all the holiday tournaments that you play in. No, I, I, I, with that vanity handicappiers, something like $250 in shop credit. So it's, it's even free too. So I, it's free. So I say, and he says it's a 15% discount. I said 15, everything else here is 50 goes 15. Okay. So I, I'm reluctant at first and I go, I'll think about it. And then they show me how to use it. There is a battery device that is inside this thing that you charge. Yes. Rechargeable. You charge it in your house, then you put it in and connect it in a small little pocket in this larger muffler, in the small little pocket. You connect it and you press certain buttons and colors light up. And depending on how much heat you want, you can go full red or orange or green, you know, and you never, you can change. Well, you know, if the full red, I said to Steve, how long does full red last about four hours? Okay. In the winter, that's all I'm going to go, but I didn't want to go full red. So I, I didn't even take it the next day before I played, I came in and I bought it before I went out. They had it already charging for you. No. Already finished, Carl. And, you know, I will tell you, it's tremendous. It's tremendous. They change it. Well, I will, as soon as Michael gets back from South Carolina, he will take this, I will never see it again. It is that good. It is that good. I mean, it's, you know, there, there are sort of like rods inside of it that are covered in sort of flannel and you hold on to those with either hand or both hands and you get instant warmth. And so you can bring these. I'm not going to wear it around my back because more things added to my swing. That's so terrible. Now I'm not going to do it, but I can put it around your ability to play golf. No, it carry it around. And then when I'm about to hit a shot, I drop it on the ground and then I pick it up and it's hot. It's really good. It's exactly what a sandwich in there. Yeah. It's exactly what it says it is. It's, it's a great hand warmer. Have you ever played with that? Now you're too good a player. You probably, but I have never played with one of those. I used to, I remember the old hand warmers, or you just put it in your pocket and you get about 30 minutes of warmth and then it just becomes sort of a weight. That's different. Yeah. This is really nice and every, everybody who looks at it goes, wow. Yeah. So I may sell a bunch of these for Delmar. I may, I may want my name on this. What's on it now? It just says G tech. No, I'm not getting anything. Well, it's got, it's got, although Delmar did say, I want to listen to the podcast. See where you go with this. Yeah. Yeah. Because it's really nice. It is nice. It's got the Columbia flag and the, the year on it. Yeah. Yeah. It's really nice. That's very so. I mean, and again, I had, thanks to Michael, you know, we've won enough money in shop credit that it was free. I mean, not free, but. Because essentially free, essentially free. So what do you think Mike? Michael, is it one of those by keeping your hands warm? Did it make you notice that your ears or your head, like were you cold elsewhere because you were so warm in the middle with the hands? No, no, no. Cause all of those things are taken care of, you know, there are hats and, and there are ways to warm yourself up. And then just the motion, the movement warms you up. How many shots do you think it helped you out with? Probably a dozen. Zero. Help me out zero. Because I stink. No, I'm a terrible player. I mean, I went out two days ago. I was the first person on the course. I was there when the course opened. I was there earlier than that. I had nothing else to do. And I say, well, who's out? And they go, no one's out. I said, well, can I go out? Can I take a car and go out? And they go, sure. And I went out by myself. And after tee shots on one, I just hit one because I didn't want anybody to see me hit three or four. After that, I played two or three or four balls on every hole. And I was still done in, in like two hours and 20 minutes. And it was, it was wonderful. But my best ball score, and I'm playing a lot. I'm hitting a lot of shots, most of which are terrible. My best ball score is only about 88. So like, you can imagine how terrible I am. Taking five shots. I'm putting six balls, you know, but it was, I was, I was alone. I was out there by myself. I was my own personal golf course. It was the greatest feeling in the world. And no, and nobody was angry because nobody was playing. Right. That they said, is anybody out there? They said that maniac corn hyzer is out there and he's not even any good. He's not going to break a hundred. Yeah. So it was good. You know, that was great fun. But it's been cold and like the temperature, for example, tomorrow and Wednesday, it's not even supposed to get overfreeze. I can't go out. No, today. You can't go out. Today is actually, it's in the fifties. Yeah. But that's turning in the middle of the day. It's going to turn. All right. I just wanted to read this thing. Remember, I talked about this before. I talked about Alan Lagarde, who was, you know, a friend of mine from camp from a hundred years ago and how I called him. He sent me an email and I called him. That's right. And I mentioned that I'd gotten one a while back from Danny Gassman, who was a real good high school basketball player at Southside High School County champions and then, you know, went on, I think to play at Hofstra and he writes back a quick thank you and a hello. I ran into Peter Goldstein at the gym yesterday, Levitown division, 1979. So that's another Long Island, Mid Island school. He's befriended both me and my son, Zach. And he mentioned that I came up on your podcast. I went back to listen. I was genuinely touched being remembered at all after all these years. There's no small thing and being described as a fine player is a compliment. I'll happily take what really struck me though, was that the mention reminded me how vivid that whole period still feels, not just to me, but clearly to you as well. Southside was your very first beat. That's exactly true. The first thing I ever did was high school football and high school basketball on Long Island for Newstay. And that 1971 run still seems to hover between, somewhere between box score and folklore, the Calhoun semifinals, the arms against the man, the Great Neck North Final, it was a strange electric time to be a high school kid who suddenly found himself inside a story bigger than himself. I've been trying slowly and carefully to put some of that down on paper, not as correction, but as context. Mostly I wanted you to know how much I appreciated the acknowledgement. It meant more than you probably realized and reminded me where I reached out in the first place. It's just such a nice note from Dan Gasman. And what it reminds you of, and this happened to me, this happened to me over the weekend, because I should tell this story. Because I didn't have an email. When I finally got the email back, I noticed there was a lot of email to me and to about 30 others in a group email from my high school class. And Eddie, Eddie Plutzer had said happy new year to everybody and everybody, well not everybody, but most responded with some, you know, some sentiment of their own. And I read all of these, you know, in one time. And I was completely moved by this. And I, you know, I wrote to everyone, I said I'm late with this, because I lost my email. I didn't see any of these things. I didn't see any of them. And now to read them all at once is very tender. It's very moving. And I quoted in my life, you know, there are places I remember, places I remember in my life, whatever it is, some have changed, some forever, not for better. Some have gone and some remain. Some have gone and some remain. All these places have some meaning with lovers and friends I still can recall. Some are dead. Some are living in my life. I love them all. So I'm going to tear up. I'm going to tear up here, which I do very, makes me think I'm alive, which is good. But I wrote that, you know, because it just ran through my head. And it was a wonderful, wonderful moment. You know, when you get old, when you get old, you can isolate these small things in your life. You can look back and even look in the current life. And it's true. High school friends have died. You know, some are gone, some remain. You know, so it's, it was really nice. Glad I got the email back when I did. I have no idea, by the way, if anybody's read this, because I don't know, I don't know if I actually sent it out, but I sent it out for myself. All right, I will shut up now. Wilbonn? Yes. Michael Wilbonn, when we return, I'm Tony Cornhizer. You're listening to the Tony Cornhizer show. The Toyota Tundra and Tacoma are built to keep going, blending rugged muscle with precision engineering, all supported by Toyota's time-tested legacy of dependability. Step into a tundra and feel the unyielding capability with the available i-Force Max engine. Tundra puts out impressive power, torque, and towing performance, and the roomy high-tech cabin keeps you connected on the go. Or take a look at Tacoma, made for drivers who push past the path, agile, tough, and relentless with available features like crawl control, a portable JBL speaker, and a power liftgate. So gear goes in fast and the adventure keeps moving. 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She's an up-and-coming artist. I think she's going to be a star. Hope you and your audience like them. She's really good. This is somebody who knows how to write a song and sing a song. Yes. Yeah, this is really good. This is Aubrey Dale. Listen to it at the end of the podcast without me yapping. It's called Till the Cows Come Home. It plays in Mike Wilbon. We'll start with the best news of all, which is Northwestern winning a bowl game. They finish 8-6. Come on, they're not Ohio State. They're not Alabama. Should be a satisfying year for you, right? Yes, largely, Tony. Especially because we have three games that were on our racket, including Michigan at Ridley Field. I don't know if you remember that game. I know you did because you watched. A field goal that's a ninth, but that's another win. We had three big 10 games in the balance, ball in the air sort of situations. So yes, it is largely, you like to get those wins. Especially when you're in the big 10 in the SEC, if you can sneak a conference game or two, you're thrilled. So yes, I am giving golf clap right now. As I drop down River Road with no hands, I'm pretty fulfilling season. There were a lot of things I was going to talk about, and I will talk about them, because both Mike and I believe it's the greatest NFL season in God knows how many years, because it's so wide open. But let's get to Chicago. I will say this. They are legit. I mean, come on, every game against good teams, they're in it till the end. This was our friend David Israel sent a note saying this is the first game in NFL history that was tied at 7, 14, 21, 28 and 35. It just, it had never happened before. So talk about your bears and they hadn't, you know, they're legit. Yeah, you know, I had, I'm not disappointed in the team. I'm disappointed by the result of not the teams. Tony, bears history has to be taken in a couple of ways. And one of them is there's no great offense ever. This is not what we have done historically. Even when we've had great teams have been defensive dominant. Last night was a game unlike I've ever seen with the bears in which they go into San Francisco and the team that invented modern offense. And I know you agree with that. The wall respect for the great Bill Walsh. And so that comes down through generations of other coaches, but now has rested with with with with Shanahan last whatever, six, eight years or more. The bears went toe to toe one week after the emotional tumult of playing Green Bay and winning that game to change their season to set up their postseason. They go, they fly to San Francisco, half the team is as sick as I was on Christmas day and the day after was being not out of bed. Right. And they go toe to toe with the Niners. It was astounding to watch with their things. A couple of plays I'd like to have back. Yes. I'm like, OK, let's not get let me not be one of those crazy college football fans and forget what I'm watching for you. Who I'm watching. They went to San Francisco, a complete offensive juggernaut. Maybe not the best team in the league, but the hottest. I think you'd agree with that. I would. They just have no defense and they're never going to have defense because two of their best three defensive players are out for the year. It's Bosa and Warner. Right. And the bears don't have defensive players yet that we have to draft them as we drafted, you know, Loveland and the rookie from rookie was from Missouri. So we're we're flawed. And that's why I don't think San Francisco or the bears can win the Super Bowl or get to the Super Bowl because the Rams in Seattle to me are have more balance. And you can't. Well, you can't win postseason games the way the bears had to play last night. But my God, they now Ben Johnson has. He said he was going to tear it down to the studs and rebuild it in clay. Well, he's done it in one year. Yeah, it's it's. And so I, you know, I, I'm, let's play Detroit, Detroit's the game that redefined our season. I think we lost 52 to 17 to Detroit the first week. And I, and that was the game in which I'm sure Ben Johnson was embarrassed. These are his colleagues from the past few years. This is his boss. This is the way he made his bones. And they, they crushed Ben Johnson and the bears in Detroit. I know if Ben Johnson says I'm going to arrest people, I'm okay with that. But I'd like to take the Lions apart. They're done. They have nothing to play for. I'd like to take them apart. It just, it really happens. Yeah, I, as you know, I think the Lions are the most disappointing team in the entire league this year because I think they're really good. And they're not going to make the playoffs. And I'm surprised at that. But the Chicago Bears, as much as I wanted to doubt them, they now play two or three tough teams in a row. They're right there. They win one, they lose one, whatever it is. They're right there the whole night with San Francisco and San Francisco's offense. It's terrific. Brock Purdy, there was the, the oddest thing yesterday, the oddest little thing. I don't know if it struck you the way it struck me. Caleb Williams was the overall number one pick in the draft. Brock Purdy was the overall last pick in the draft. And they're all there together, lighten it up, right? They're lighting it up. So. Yeah. Yeah. And they, they, they have different personalities, different methods to coach differently. And it was a while, it was electrifying. Yeah, it was really fun. It was funny, listening to our friend, Herman Edwards this morning, a former defensive player, of course, be disappointed and mockingly, which was totally fair about how there was just no defense in this game at all. And there wasn't. They went up and down the field like a video game. It's great. And again, you're just not used to the Bears doing that. And I don't know what modifications can be made. Like the, the, the scare for me now is that the Bears, if they don't beat Detroit and they finish tied with the Eagles, if they finish tied with the Eagles, they'll finish in the second seed. Yeah. But if they don't win that game and the Eagles finish head on the Bears, finish in the third seed, which means we would have to play Green Bay again. Which you don't want to do. Not three times. They're people in your listenership who will understand the analogy I'm about to make on a, on a chilly Monday night in Lexington, Kentucky in 1985. Yes, yes. The Georgetown Hoyas. But if any team in the history of basketball, there was only one they couldn't beat that night, Villanova. Third time. And Green Bay is to the Bears with Villanova. Well, look, they've only played one playoff game in history in the history of the NFL, because the NFL used to guard against having division teams play each other early rounds. The Bears, the Bears and Packers have played once. The Bears were the champion of the division. The Packers got in on the wild card because the Bears let them. Lovey Smith decided to rest his team in the second half because the Bears were being clear. Who do they meet in the NFC championship game, but young Aaron Rodgers and the Packers, and that's Aaron Rodgers only trip to the Super Bowl. Yeah. Yeah. I will say that again, the Bears are legit. The Patriots are legit. Drake May is, I understand it was the Jets, but still Drake May is legit. And the Bears 49ers game followed the Buffalo game, the Buffalo Philadelphia game where Josh Allen, Josh Allen in the last eight to 10 minutes of that game has MVP emblazoned all over his chest and then misses a wide open receiver on the two. Now they have to go for two because the kicker, the kick was blocked, which the Eagles did against the Rams and won a game. And so it's an odd combination of circumstances, but Josh Allen has, Mikey has him wide open and doesn't get, leads him by eight feet. Yeah, that's not the play that, that game was staggering to us. That's not the play that left me. Everybody can miss a shot. Eight was missed him, always missed him, mannings missed him. Maybe Brady didn't miss one, but I'm sure there are ones he would tell you he missed if he was doing that game and he wasn't. But Josh Allen's foot, Josh Allen can't push off that foot. Yeah. He tweaked it, he re-injured it. He said he's going to be fine, but he was not just in a blue tent last night. He was getting MRI. So Josh Allen, who has played as well as anybody this season, you know, that's the, that can keep Buffalo from winning, from being in a position to win. Not, I don't mean just next week. I'd sit Josh Allen down this week. There's nothing much to be gained. Buffalo could finish fifth, sixth or seventh, just like all those teams in the NFC, Seattle, the Rams, the Niners, they could finish fifth, sixth or seventh, or not, it's not seventh. It's not fifth or sixth. And so if I'm Buffalo, I'm sitting down Josh Allen. He didn't get to play this week and he's not up there. Do you, do you have, having watched so much football for so long and having always liked Buffalo, in your heart, if you could put any team in the AFC into the Super Bowl, would you put Buffalo in this year, give them a chance to finally win? Yeah. Right? You would, right? Yes. You provided the context because you were there for my growing up in this business and covering pro football during Marv Levy, Jim Kelly, Thurman Thomas, Reed Smith. Yeah. The greatest team to never win. And I got to know my friend Frank Reich. I got to know several of those guys. And I have a more than a soft spot for them. You know, sometimes I ache for them because I know, I spent so much time in Buffalo. I have a sense of what it means and what bills mafia, while I hate the nickname, I know what that is. I know what that is and who they are. And so yes, I root for Buffalo and I'm rooting for them now. I have nothing against the other AFC teams. Who else do I like in the AFC? Jacksonville is interesting. Houston is fascinating. Any of those teams could win the whole thing. But yeah, I'm rooting for Buffalo. So nobody will understand this except for you and Michael, what I'm going to say now. At Columbia, the shack is, between the seventh green and the eighth tee box is a place where the shack where people go to eat. And it's run by George and George is from Latin America. George is soccer fan. Soccer fan. I mean, wants to talk about soccer all the time, but also, you know, pays attention to football. He says to me the other day, I don't know how you feel about this, but I want Buffalo to get in. I want Buffalo to get in. And I just said, I get it. I get it. You know, having Buffalo come on. All right, let me move on because we have three games that are meaningful coming up. Carolina Tampa Bay is going to decide a division and San Francisco, Seattle is going to decide the number one seed and a division. And then Baltimore at Pittsburgh, right? Unbelievable. Pittsburgh had nothing yesterday. They had no offense. You don't like Aaron Rodgers, I know. Yeah, I know. No, no, I yesterday, you know, I told Don, as soon as that game was over, I was spent that Cleveland, Pittsburgh game was so entertaining. And, and, and Cleveland's offense is so bad. And I don't think Shadour Sanchez is maybe he has to be coached. Like there's a lot of quarterbacks who haven't been coached and they disappear. Inadequately coached. Miss Trubisky, Justin Fields, they, they, they just, they don't, they don't, they're not with a guru that can bring out the professionalism in them. I hope Shadour Sanchez gets in that situation like that. He's not in it now and Cleveland couldn't move the ball six inches. No, but yet that defense was so great. Yep. And they were, and, and, and Pittsburgh was so obsessed with not letting Miles Garrett have the sack record. They lost track of a game. And, and it was so entertaining. I told my brother, I said, you know what? I've spent more motion on Pittsburgh and Cleveland rooting against Aaron Rodgers, that I'm going to spend tonight rooting for the Bears. And it was true. I wanted Pittsburgh to go down and go down hard. Yeah, they didn't. They went down to Baltimore. They went down hard. No, they went down. You know, they went down hard. I don't know if they, well, they lose to, apparently that was their fourth straight loss in a row to Cleveland. So they get used to that. That, that, that, that rival, retony, they, that's serious. Cleveland played yesterday like a playoff. Burke was on the line for them when it was played well. And it went. Baltimore Pittsburgh. I don't know what's going to happen with Lamar Jackson, but you know, you got to run, you got to run Derek Henry. You got to settle. I don't, I don't think I wouldn't even play Lamar Jackson. Lamar Jackson, not even any good in the playoffs. Yeah. I don't, you know, I mean, can you saddle up? Are they, are the, are the, are the coaching staff? So I'm talking hardball and one, but are they, are they smart enough to, to realize we got this guy who's a Hall of Famer right now. We should, we should put him in the huddle in a gold jacket and we're going to tell him coming in. You may fumble once or twice. We don't care. We're going to ride you for 30 carries or more, depending on the nature of the game and the context and then do it. But I don't know if Baltimore's smart enough. I don't know if the brain trust and John Harbaugh is a really, really, really, really, really successful, terrific coach for a long time. But if he can't, if he can't make his offensive coordinator understand, here's how we're going to play. If I, if I own that team, I'd run them out of there and call the plays myself. Cause we're going to Henry every damn chance we get. That would be the way to do it. You shorten the game, although you're not, you know, you don't have to shorten the game. Cause it's not like Aaron Rodgers can beat you by going down the field cause he doesn't go down the field. No, cause he can't. He can't throw a D. No, cause he can't get there. He can. All right. All right. I'll talk to you later. All right. So Mike Wilbarn boys and girls, happy Mike Wilbarn today. Happy Mike Wilbarn. We'll take a break. Ryan McGee will join us when we return. I'm Tony Cornhusher. Spring is when plans start becoming real. Trips get booked. Calendars fill up. And if learning a new language has been on your list, starting now means that by summer, you'll already feel more confident speaking and understanding it. 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And this year, they lost to. So that's the biggest thing. But I know it. I mean, Miami baffles me a little bit because they look so bad when they look bad. But then their defense looks so good in college stations. So Miami's the one team that I just look at and I'm like, I'm not sure what we'll get round to round. But, you know, that's why we like to play off. Well, this is college football is now dominated by the SEC and the big 10. And now with the eight teams that are left, we have three big 10 teams, none of whom have played yet. Three SEC teams. This is as you thought. Yes. You thought this would happen. Yeah. I mean, anyone, if it were up to the commissioners, those two conferences, they'd be the only two conferences in the playoff, which I think is terrible for college football. And listen, you're talking to a guy who co-hosts the show on the SEC network. And I just, but I like, you know, I think we can all agree that James Madison was in over at Schiess. But it didn't bother me one bit that too late was in the playoff. And so I like it when it's the whole point, right? Tony was to everybody complain when he marked madness and more teams need a shot. And, you know, all the teams, the four that didn't make the playoff, they're all complaining. Nobody's paying attention to us. So this was the answer. And now we have it. And of course, you know, people complain about it because that's what people do. Well, yeah. And I guess I'm one of those complainers. I mean, because I don't want, if you only have 12 teams, I don't want there to be a charity aspect to it. And to me, to me, Tulane and James Madison could not be Texas and Notre Dame. They just could not. And, you know, I've been shouted down by Wilbarn about this a thousand times. And I don't mind because I actually think I'm in the minority, but because I think you're, you would take the position of the gang of five teams is fine to be in there. I mean, give me one. You know, I just, because that, because the, the, what I worry about about college football is the fact that there's almost 140 teams. And when I'm on these campuses, football drives everything. And when I talked to Kirby smart about this, you know, who grew up around the corner from Val d'Ors to state. And I talked to, you know, even Nick Saban about this, though he seems to have changed his tune now, but he used to always talk about, you know, when he coasted Toledo and his alma mater Kent state. And it's like, you know, at least being able to, if you're Appalachian state, if you're coastal Carolina, if you're San Diego state recruiting on, if you come here, we could make the playoff. You know, we've made the playoff before. And, and again, it's to me, it's not any different than what's going to happen when we finally have, you know, our UMBC run, right? Our David run. Yeah. Well, and that's what everybody kind of wants. And, you know, they'll expand it. And when they do a couple of other gang of five, but, but they've got to build something. Otherwise, why even have a program? And, and I just, I don't think it's good for college football. If going in, you know, that we all know we're the best we can do is a GMC ball. Well, how about, how about something, how about something to recruit on and just give them one spot, you know, and one day somebody's going to win that first round game. And everybody's going to go crazy and it's going to be great, but they can't win it if we don't give them a chance. Well, they're not going to win it until it's an expanded field. I mean, I just, I don't think so. But you know, the thing that bothered me the most was Miami getting in a Notre Dame, not getting in, not, you know, I understand Miami beat Notre Dame, though that was in August, you know, a long time before at home for Miami, I believe that that wasn't it. It was the committee persistently ranking Notre Dame ahead of Miami by as many as three and four spots. And then, and then gerrymandering the whole thing at the end to get Miami in it. I really, it angered me not because I thought it was unfair, but by, but it was such an obvious move that they made. I don't know how you sleep at night doing that. Yeah, it's interesting too. I think, you know, I've done those mock selection committee deals where that we go to great by in Texas and we sit in the room and the computers are the same. And I'm, you know, I'm sitting in Condoleezza Rice's chair and you go through the whole process. And I think what people don't understand is at no point does the room look at their rankings as a group and go, All right, no, no, no, take them and move them up. Oh, no, no, no, no, take them and move them down. It is literally they submit ballot after ballot after ballot and they kind of do it round after round. And so it's a group thing. And I think they put the committee chair and impossible. He can't defend that position when it's in there because because that's not how the room works. And if you just say, Yeah, man, I was surprised too, because the room kept doing so and so, but the room did it, but they all did it separately. And so it's interesting to me that whoever the chair is has to sit there and defend it as if it was this, you know, group project where they all as a group, you know, started moving magnets up and down the board. That's not only not only does he defend it, but they say, Well, we don't really want to do this television show anymore. We think ESPN is to blame. Well, ESPN is not to blame. No, you gotta do the television show. What are you talking about? Where do you think the money comes from? All right. Who do you like in this round? Well, I am really curious about Indiana because I keep picking against them and I keep waiting on them. And I'm guilty of it. I remember Nick Saban on game day. It was when they were at Vanderbilt and they're talking about Diego Pobby and all this and Nick Saban just said, Listen, I have a hard time wrapping my brain around all this because Vanderbilt is Vanderbilt. And I'm very guilty of that with Indiana. Like I keep waiting on them to suddenly wake up and go, Oh, okay, never mind. Imposter syndrome. We're not actually this good, but they are that good. And so they're the team that fascinates me. And the fact that they're in the Rose Bowl for the first time in a billion years and they're playing Alabama, which, you know, is obviously is the gold standard for college football. So Indiana fascinates me. And if they were to beat Alabama in the Rose Bowl, it is really difficult for me to not just stay with them all the way through. And then I saw Georgia in person at the SEC Championship game. And that is a team that is not just peaking at the right time, but they have been in so many close games on so many big Saturday night stages. Prime time that that's a team that feels like it's built for a title run. And they're kind of mad that nobody's talking about them. So I have my eye on Indiana and Georgia, which of course means they'll both lose. What do you think? What do you think of the Michigan hire? What do you think of that? Well, my man crush on Kyle Whittingham is well documented. Like I think he is, we were talking about if they had a if they had a coaches bunkhouse stampede, right? Remember when they had that old wrestling deal, you take all the coaches and put them in a ring, like who's going to win the fight? I'm like, give me Kyle Whittingham versus DeField. Like I just think he's and what he built at Utah is phenomenal. And so I think if you listen to their it's in chaos there, right? I mean, it's institutional loss of control. It's embarrassment. You know, it's two incredibly different, but incredibly embarrassing scandals. Yes, if you want to go, that's going to come in and is like going to just ground everybody. And this is how we play football. And this is how we coach football. And we're not going to be stupid. Kyle Whittingham is the guy and I'm excited for him because I don't think he was ready to be done. I know he wasn't. He was very vocal about I'm not retiring. I'm just stepping down at Utah. And so I think it's fascinating. I really do. And I'm crazy about him, but he is a no nonsense guy. And Michigan could use a big old dose of no nonsense. Well, yeah, so my my overall feeling about this is that Michigan has now had a coach who's a pervert and a coach before that who will break any rule that exists just because he wants to do it. And they need somebody who's not going to do that. I'm not going to be surprised if at the end of three years he's gone and they pay him for five because what he's going to give them is is as you say that to be grounded again to to be the University of Michigan. There's no list. I'm a public school guy. There's no list where the top three public schools in America are not Michigan, Berkeley and Virginia. There's just no list. And Michigan, they need to get back to being Michigan on a larger level than these two coaches have allowed them to do lately. So I think he's like stopgap, but for all the right reasons. But I don't, you know, maybe he's a better coach than that. Maybe he's a great coach. I just think it's difficult to move from Utah to Michigan. I think that's difficult. Yeah, it reminds me of when Baylor was trying to recover from, I mean, that incredible run they have with RG three also. And then the most just unimaginable series of sexual assault. Some of my buddy Mark Slade, Paul, Paul have wrote a great book about it and and what did they do to hire Jim Grove and Jim Grove, you know, there is nobody more down the middle old school, like the story old, this is how we're going to do practice. You know, if you're on time, you're late, that kind of guy and that's who Kyle Wittingham is. So you're exactly right. Maybe what he does is he's the guy that hits the reset button that they need and sets them up for what all happens in the future. And say, Bill, it's Bill O'Brien at Penn State. It's okay. It's someone who can come in and just say, listen, I appreciate everything y'all have done here before. It has nothing to do with what we're going to do now. We're going to get back to just being a core, you know, moral place. And you got to get rid of the AD to you got to get rid of him to and I'm sure they will. I'm sure they will. Let me switch gears completely because because you know so much about NASCAR. Could you explain all I know? And of course I sit next to Will Bunn so Will Bunn says, Jordan's right, Jordan's right. Everything Jordan does is right. Okay, fine. All I know is that Michael Jordan and I'll just talk for a little while and then you can go backwards on me. Michael Jordan sued NASCAR. You know, Michael Jordan sued NASCAR. It was settled. So I assumed that NASCAR thought it was going to lose and reached out to settle the suit because I think if NASCAR thought it was going to win, it wouldn't have done that. And my overarching question is, why would you ever want Michael Jordan as a partner if within, you know, just a few years he sued you? Can you explain it? And maybe I'm totally wrong here. I don't know. And just so you know, you sitting with Will Bunn, this is like me sitting with Marty Smith. Michael can be no wrong, right? Marty grew up with Michael Posters on the wall and wears Jordan's to church, right? So obviously I feel you and I are very much on the same page. So Michael, so NASCAR race teams, NASCAR race drivers, NASCAR race tracks, it's all a, it's a sport built around independent contractors. And the problem with that is, is that I watched Hall of Famers, Ricky Rudd, Bill Elliott, Jeb O'Dyne, I mean, Darrell Walkthrup go all the way down the list. They all decided when they were done driving or while they were still driving, I'm going to also own a team. But then when their racing career was over with, they had to auction off their life for pennies on the dollar. There was no equity was built in these races. Oh, okay. Okay. And so the argument that Michael Jordan and Denny Hamlin, who is currently driving for Joe Gibbs, but also co-owns this other team with Michael Jordan, their argument was we need something, we need more equity in what we're building here. And all the race teams went to NASCAR back in 2016 and said, we know you don't want us to have franchises, but can we do something to help us build equity? Because right now they have nothing to sell, right? They can't bring in partners because they can't even explain what it is that they have. And so they came up with this charter system, which is basically franchise light, but they would renew every seven years when NASCAR renewed their meteorite steal because that's where the money came from. And NASCAR started writing checks. And now the teams have something they can sell, a piece of paper that says this is what I own. I have a guaranteed starting spot in every NASCAR race. I get guaranteed money for participating in that race. And that's what that was. Michael, who came from the NBA and his management team who came from the NBA argued, well, they should be franchised. Like, why are we doing this contract to contract? These should be permanent charters, like permanent franchise. This is what I own, as long as I want to own it, which is what Michael made all his money selling the hoarding. And so that's what went with the court. And NASCAR, their business model based very largely on what Bill Frantz Sr. built in the 1940s. And now Bill Frantz Sr. is the son is the chairman of NASCAR, Jim Frantz. And as soon as Jim Frantz took the stand, I think everyone knew they're going to lose. Oh, yeah. That's what I figured. That's what I figured. That's where the settlement came from. So, yeah, you won't go back with Jordan because NASCAR needs big names. And they try him out all the time. Michael Jordan co-owns the race team, driven by Bubba Wallace and this amazing. There's a 23 car, you know, with the jump man logo on the hood. It's great. But then Denny Hamlin, who is one of your future Hall of Fame drivers, and Michael Jordan, who's maybe the greatest athlete of all time, sued you because of the fact that you're going to lose. And they won. And he's got really contentious. Like, yeah, what I want to know when we get to Daytona is can all of these hurt feelings, you know, be mended because this is a very small community. And it's going to be very, very awkward when we all get to the garage at Daytona in February. Now I know too much for Wilbun. I know too much. And Wilbun is just going to scream at me. Don't you understand? It's Michael Jordan. Okay. Ryan, thanks so much for being on. We don't have you on a lot, but we really love having you on. Well, thanks for making the time. Appreciate it. You call me whenever and happy holidays, everybody out there. Okay, Ryan McGee boys and girls will take a break. We will come back with email and jingle. I'm Tony cornhizer. A year from today, what would your dream private practice look like? Would you spend less time chasing claims or only working with clients who value your skill set? What if you had more time for yourself? Alma empowers you to confidently accept insurance backed by an all in one EHR that simplifies scheduling documentation and day to day practice operations. Your dream practice is closer than you think. 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Do you have a Bethesda bagel read for us bagel sandwiches. Michael's missing them. Yeah, you get to Yes, just go to Bethesda bagels.com for the location in the DC area near students and pop on in and you will be thrilled before we get to the mail back. Let me just say when you were young and your heart was an open book. You used to say live and let live. You know you did, you know you did, you know you did. But in this ever changing world in which we're living makes you give in and cry. Say live and let die. That's 007. Yes. That's from the Bond series of movies. Yes. Yeah, yeah. Which if you ever get the chance to see Paul McCartney play that song live, it's fantastic. Oh, I've not. I've not. Big explosions when he says live and let die and is this big thunderous like the whole stage explodes. It's fantastic. Thanks for our guests today. Michael Wilbarn and Ryan McGee. Thanks as well to today's sponsors. Remember you can listen to us on Apple podcast Spotify and Odyssey. If you get to Apple, please leave us a review from our friend Patrick Sitter. Sioux Falls, South Dakota. Have you tried checking your email on your iPhone without wearing a golf glove? That's very funny. That's very funny. I don't think I'm having cognitive failure. I don't think. From Kevin Corn, Seattle, Washington after hearing that your emails are with AOL. Did you ever stop to think that the villain of your story is none other than former AOL executive Ted Leonsis? You think he's reached out to make sense. Neil Ayervais, Grandpa Tony, until listening to your continuing diatribe about your phone and missing emails, the only living person I knew who still used AOL emails is the woman to whom I'm related by marriage. Seemingly the demographics of AOL email users must mirror those of the podcast between 65 and dead. Hearing your concern that the missing emails must now number in the hundreds was akin to having your voice come out of my wife's mouth. I am regularly astounded when even in a couple of days of inattention to our emails requires the deletion of more emails than I receive in a month, virtually all of them relating to goods and services that she neither wants nor needs or has even heard of at any point in her life. Apparently if she happens to sit at a stoplight in glance at a store within the next 24 hours she will receive an offer from that store and from a dozen of the brands sold at that store. Like you, she rails at attempting to slow the swarm of locusts by hitting the unsubscribe button only multiplies the unwanted emails. Yes, yes, much like a surgeon trying to excise a malignant tumor only to have the cancer spread to every other organ. I have long since abandoned trying to convince my wife to switch email providers since AOL's electronic tendrils have her irretrievably in their grasp. Michael, at least you can tell Tony he can stop paying for AOL. Maybe that will assuage some of his angst. You know, I get emails from Nordica. I get 20 emails a day from Nordica. You know, why? Stop. Stop from Brendan Steenburgen, Columbia, Missouri. Happy holidays to you and yours. I listened with interest as you mentioned the chiefs move from Arrowhead. The discussion centered around whether the regional culture around Kansas City was such that this move might be controversial as a lifelong Missouri and in chiefs fan let me throw in my two cents. F the chiefs for eternally for slithering to the God forsaken hellscape that is Kansas. We Missourians have hated the feted Kansans and their foul land since before the Civil War. Those of us who attended Mizzou refused to even capitalize the K in Kansas. And it is not a proper state and doesn't deserve to be treated as a proper noun. Mary Wader Lewis, the first regional governor of Missouri declared the water of the Kansas River, quote, more turbid than that of the Missouri and almost intolerable to the taste. That description is also applicable to most comparisons of two states. Kansas City existed in Missouri before there was a state of Kansas and I suggest they change the name of their putrid state. I wish the chiefs nothing but ill will and hope ill fortune finds them at every turn. But other than that, I have no opinions on the matter. Happy holidays and happy new year. Okay. Okay. Patrick Ratliff in Corinth, Texas. Put your seatbelt on for this one. My daughter's birthday is July 19, 2017. That's right. Her birthday is 71917, a palindrome. It's a memorable birthday, so it's really easy to pick up her medicine for the local CVS except for the time the cashier thought the 17 meant 1917. Yeah, right. My daughter's 108. Where's Evelyn when you need her? From Derrick in Abilene, Kansas. I found your bocce ball. What are you willing to pay? It's funny. Bill Isaacson. As an eventful year comes to an end, I thought you might enjoy some wedding photos from the New Orleans wedding of my son, Nick Isaacson and Grace Newcomb about two months ago. Nick was pleased that you kept the commitment I made for you when I promised Nick after I sent you a wedding invitation that you would not be able to attend. Grace has no idea who you are, but would have been happy to see you anyway. So we love having someone like Grace join our family. Wedding travel and crowds at a wedding are not your thing, but you might have enjoyed the rehearsal dinner at Restaurant Zazu run by our friend Chef Sue Zamanic, which the following week received a Michelin star. Wow. One of only three restaurants in Louisiana received that honor. Yes, Carville. On one other note, I do not think that New Year's resolutions are your thing, but I do have an idea for 2026. After you make your next potato harvest, I suggest you wrap them in foil, bury them in your matchboxer, and light a few matches, step back from the urn and enjoy some wine while the potatoes flash cook. After you light the urn, though, you may need to drink the wine quickly. Anyway, Nigel, save this email for potato season. So that's lovely. And then pictures of the wedding. Oh, there's Bill. Oh, these are just great. I had seen these before. These are lovely. Thank you very much for these. Thank you so much. Cody Thorn in Fort Worth, Texas. I saw this building next to DFW airport in Grapevine and wanted to share. We all know how much Tony loves air travel, way to diversify that portfolio after chatter. Oh, so it's TK Aviation. So yes, I bought a bunch of planes. Yeah. Martin Ward, Aurora, Colorado. I have a new car with a whole bunch of whistles and bells and computer stuff that I'm only using about 10% of the capacity of its potential while driving and listening to Tuesday's show as you were introducing Alexa. That day's musical guest, my car kept pausing the podcast for a few moments. You would come back on and say Alexa's name again. The podcast would stop again for a few moments. After the third time, the car said with an exasperated voice, can I help you? That was when I realized I had a mobile Alexa app in the entertainment system. And after hearing its name was waiting for you to ask it something. So thank you for helping me expand my knowledge of my own cars features. Now I can just ask my car pointless information that comes to mind as I'm driving in the moment rather than telling myself I need to look that up when I get the chance. And of course, we're getting all about it by the time I reach my destination. That's lovely. And that's one of the reasons I'm afraid to get a new car because the technology is so great and leaves me so far behind. It's just going to be scary. We already have on star. I have. I don't have on star anymore. I don't. I turn by turn. I have turned by turn. I can I call up and I say, could you please give me turn by turn directions? That's why I bought a car that is before all of this. You don't have to have to do with it. Patrick is in France, Paris, formerly Chantilly, Patrick, Newgent. Your description of enjoying the turkey club reminded me of Jean-Paul Lahiri, Pulitzer Prize winner, writing about her sandwich. I probably butchered that pronunciation quote. I hear the babble of people as they chatter on and on. I'm amazed that our impulse to express ourselves, explain ourselves, tell stories to one another. The simple sandwich I always get amazes me too as I eat it. My body bakes in the sun that pours down on my neighborhood. Each bite feeling sacred reminds me that I'm not forsaken. That's it. That's a sandwich. Please tell Kathy and Paul and Herndon to eat it. Eat at the sandwich, I guess. I don't know. If you're having a bite, everyone is always do where what? Update of my iPhone and everything looks slightly different on that. That's pissing me off. I never thought I'd settle down in a town like this one. Thought that I'd be longer by now. I didn't see him coming. So I didn't know what hit me. Now I drink too much whiskey while he smokes more booze. So hold me a double and bring him a lighter. We'll be together through the highs and lows. And I'll not be perfect, but I'm his forever. Forever a baby or until the cows come on. He says he thinks I'm funny and that he's crazy about me. The truth is I'm mad about him too. I know that I'd be lying if he said he didn't scare me. So I drink too much whiskey while he smokes more booze. So hold me a double and bring him a lighter. We'll be together through the highs and lows. And I'll not be perfect, but I'm his forever. Forever a baby or until the cows come on. Guitar. Guess he'll be my daddy and ask for his permission to take me down to that old church. The second that it's over, I'm taking him home with me. And I'll drink too much whiskey while he smokes more booze. Hold me a double and bring him a lighter. We'll be together through the highs and lows. And I'll not be perfect, but I'm his forever. Forever a baby or until the cows come on. Forever a baby or until the cows come on. Forever a baby or until the cows come on. Forever a baby or until the cows come on. Let's go. Last night I had worn too many. I don't know how I got home. Waking up in last night's makeup. I'm too scared to look. I love fun, I think it's time to quit it and I ain't gonna miss it. Going kind of from your soul over. I need to start over. No more handovers. I'm going kind of from your soul over. All my friends think that it's funny when my old turn ego walks through that door. Truth is that I don't like her and she ain't welcome around here no more. One thing's for sure, I ain't gonna miss her. Going kind of from your soul over. I need to start over. No more handovers. I'm going kind of from your soul over. I thought he was a ten. Turns out he was a four. Night never going back to that bar no more. Going kind of from your soul over. I need to start over. No more handovers. I'm going kind of from your soul over. Kind of from your soul over. I need to start over. No more handovers. I'm going kind of from your soul over. you