This is an I Heart podcast. Guaranteed human. Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on I Heart Radio. And welcome back to Coast to Coast, George Norrie with you, our special guest, Temple Hayes as a spiritual teacher, community leader and advocate for healing. She's the founder of the Temple Hayes Ministries, the Institute for Lifelong Learning and Global Peace Workers International, where her work centers on conscious living, restorative healing and compassionate leadership. Her website is linked up at coast2coastAM.com and her book is called Being a Difference Maker, which we'll talk about. Temple, welcome back, how've you been? Oh, George, it's so good to be with you again. My goodness, it's just a great thing. I love your show and all that you're doing, I tell you. You are a difference maker, George Norrie, you are, you are. Well, you did a great job for us six years ago. How have you been? I've been great. I've been on a real journey of learning, you know, if we aren't learning, we're dying, right? So I lived in California for three years. And then last year I moved to New Orleans. And so I've just been taking somewhat of a sabbatical. You are my coming out party, actually. I thought what a great way to start the year with George Norrie. You know, even when I say you're probably this way as well, even when I say I don't have a lot going on, compared to most people, I'm still doing a lot. You know what I mean? I won't ever retire. I don't like that word. I want to stay active. I made the same decision that I'm just gonna keep going until I drop temple. That's what I'm gonna do. So tell us a little bit more about yourself beyond the bio. Well, I am just, you know, one of those people, I'm just really committed to learning, growing, expanding, being part, you know, a teacher said to me when I was in my 20s, you're not gonna be able to solve all the problems of the world, but you can certainly be committed not to be one of them, right? And so that's where I really work at and give energy to being a difference maker. I just think it's so important that we, as we change, as we shift, as we learn from, you know, our tragedies and our triumphs, that we come pass it on to others. And that is, you know, really what this book is about. So I do a lot of life coaching. I have the online institute of always bringing in different teachers and courses to teach what it is to have the skills, you know, to make a difference. And I just love my life, really. Well, good for you. Now tell us, what does it mean to be a difference maker? Well, you know, when we think of being a difference maker, everybody is one, you know, really. I mean, but are they making a difference in the impact that they would like to make, right? I mean, when a child walks in the room full of joy and enthusiasm, what happens to everybody, they are influenced by that. Yes, there's something that goes off in our humanity that says, I wanna be more like that. So being a difference maker is like when people, you know, they have anger issues and then they become bullies. They're a difference maker, but is that really the direction they wanna go? You know, people that stuff their anger, people that believe that spirituality means or religiosity means just pray and then all go away. People that feel like, well, I don't wanna upset anybody by, you know, what I say or don't say. So in writing the book, George, I just really wanted to look at different aspects of who we can be and how important it is in this journey called life, that we own our emotions, you know, and because if we don't own them, they own us, right? And then we have health issues and all different kinds of things. And we don't get the results that we're seeking or that we're looking for. And so I thought if I compartmentalize various types of difference makers, perhaps it will give some insight to others and make it feel like a journey they would like to be on. You know, I thought it was very interesting that the first two hours of your show, you had the gentleman that talks about the fear of flying when I talk about the fear of living. So, you know, we're a great match. You know, I just thought that was so funny because, you know, I think I told you last time we were on the show, a lot of people are fascinated with the near-death experience, but I'm more into the near-life experience. You know, how am I living out loud that is congruent to what I wanna stand for in this life? And the make a difference, it doesn't have to be huge. It could be small within your community, within your family, right? It can be, that's the whole thing. I mean, if everybody does a little, no one ever has to do a lot. Absolutely. Was there a defining moment when you realized that you could no longer be quiet at what you do or keep it down? Yes, absolutely. In 2007, I was invited by a friend to go to Omega Institute and it was called Women, Peace and Power. And I really wasn't sure what I was getting into. I thought, I hope this isn't anything that's feminism because I love men and, you know, that. But I thought, okay, I'll go for the weekend. And it was six Nobel Peace Laureates. It was Jane Fonda, it consisted of a lot of real influencers. I listened to a woman like from Afghanistan. She must have been 30. They had attempted to kill her like six times because she spoke out about the problems in her country. And I'm sitting there, George, thinking, I'm not doing anything. I'm not doing enough. I'm not doing anything. But as I was leaving the conference, I had this real epiphany that it was time for me to go the deeper level, to stand for life, to stand for life rights, to teach people about honoring life and all living things and to get back to the sacredness of life. So it was a huge defining moment. And it really shape shifted me and I'm still growing into it. You know how that is? It's a constant, you know, growing into and healing that what which needs to be revealed in me so that I can support others to do the same. What would you say, Temple, in terms of being a difference maker, was the most remarkable thing you've come across, either a story to you or your own self? Hmm. Interesting, huh? Yeah, I would say to that that, you know, often we pray or we meditate or we, you know, walk or go on the retreat and we ask for our deeper purpose. When it's interesting for me is when I don't necessarily like the answer I hear. Do you know what I mean? Like, I don't wanna do that. And so I know I must trust the process and that's really hard for us with crowded maligns and bombarded with news and being influenced by, you know, other outside forces. But I would say four years ago, when I was perfectly happy living in Florida, had lived there 30 something years, really thought that's where I would spend the rest of my life. And I start getting these messages, George. It was amazing. People at restaurants would walk up to me and say, do you know you're moving to California? You know, and I would go, stop. You know, I didn't even know them. And yet I knew that's what I had to do. How did they know this? It was just one of those mystical things. It was just unreal. I mean, I had, it was part of a huge community. I had moved my mother to Florida. I had a little Goddaughter there, you know, the perfect white picket fence, so to speak. And I'm like, what? Move to California. And yet I knew, I knew that's exactly what, I couldn't deny it. You know, I knew if I didn't do it, I'd always wonder the entire rest of my life. So I think that's when it's very interesting to live. Your goals and your values is when inwardly you get nudges and you get messages. And it wouldn't have been what your personality would have chosen, but you do it. And it has turned out to be just a great journey for me, the three years that we were there. It just shape shifted me. I let go of being part of a community in the way of attachments so I can do my own work now. It's been fascinating. What do you think of the word forgiveness? That's a huge one. There was some kind of wisdom and religiosity when it said, you know, we forgive daily, yes. So to me, forgive is the opportunity for giving. For me to give the energy back to myself that I spend and disperse on other things or other stories from the past. And to me, if I feel someone has done me harm or hurt my feelings and in public life, you know, I always said it's fascinating to me. If only I did half what they say about me. So when I know that I've really forgiven someone, I have a real mutual feeling. And I know I'm complete with that part of what I need to do with that work. I think it's crucial. I think when we hold on to resentment, it gets recent and recent and recent and recent in your life. And until we complete, to me, the experience that we're holding on to, we continue to attract that redundantly and experience it, they might be cuter, they might have a different name, but we get to do it again until we get that part and integrate it within ourselves. Does that make sense, George? It does. And in the book, Difference Maker, Being a Difference Maker, what does it mean to live out loud? You know, it's like that idea, you know, be aware because people are watching. I remember one time hearing a speaker say, I think it was Toni Morrison. And she said, always be aware when kids, children see you because what they're looking for is the look on your face. What is your face saying? Are you happy to be alive? Do you appreciate the world in which it's been gifted to you? What are you expressing? And so living out loud, often that's interpreted by a loud microphone, you know, a public speaker. I've had many people through the years come up to me and say, well, I don't wanna be like you. I'm not comfortable and I don't wanna get, you know, in front of a microphone and I said, who said I was? But that was the journey on my path. But it's about realizing the impact that you're making in public settings with your family, at the grocery store, at the bank, wherever you are, you're making an impact, an immense impact in ways that you never know because other people are watching. And living out loud ultimately is a person that has the capacity to be congruent with their fully existing. Tampa, why do you think courage is important in the equation? Oh, I think it takes immense courage. And I find the longer we live, you know, we, I mean, I'm aging myself, but, you know, when I was growing up, we had three channels on the television, right? And it was a special event when we all sat around it and watched the same thing. And now we're just so bombarded with stuff coming into our, whatever we call this thing that we call a phone, it's more than a phone, this gadget that we have. We get, we're hearing information all the time. It takes courage every day to wake up, to start the day stretching the mind, having gratitude, being centered and grounded and allowing what we choose to entertain us, impact us, discourage us, bring us into a level of victimhood. It takes a lot of courage to walk the walk, don't you think? I do, and even though I think the old times are great and I miss some of them, I think today is amazing. With the technology we have available to us, if we use it right, it's unbelievable. I mean, you're right about our phones. They're like little computers. You can do anything. You send pictures to people. You can talk to people. You can check the internet. You can ask questions. I mean, it's just made life so easy for most people. It's truly remarkable. We didn't have that in our day. It's fascinating, isn't it? It really is. I wouldn't trade it for anything. I absolutely like your saying, if the people I've been able to stay in touch with through the years and all the things, it is absolutely amazing. But for someone to use their own mind and make their own decisions and their own choices and be influenced by the things that they believe, I believe it does. It takes a great sense of courage. What would you say is one of the most remarkable stories of someone who's made a difference that you've come across, whether it's been part of your training or something on the outside? Hmm. What do you say that? Someone like Gondi? I think of Gondi. I think of, you know, in the timing of this show, Martin Luther King, definitely. I think of Buddha. The Dalai Lama? Absolutely the Dalai Lama, Sai Baba. I mean, we've had many, many greats that we have either known or heard about and lived by their values in our lifetime. Definitely difference makers. They're sacred warriors, really. They really have an energy that is about living out loud, is their voice. But yet they have learned how to tone it in such a way that it's a sacred approach. You know, we have a lot of celebrities today, which is why we all know the same people. They're extremely influential. It's amazing what TikTok is doing. You know, and the people that have voices there, it's incredible. So many people are making this world a better and bright and wonderful place. Listen to more Coast to Coast AM every weeknight at 1 a.m. Eastern and go to coasttocoastam.com for more.
