A Southern Indiana Man Shares Years Living Face-to-Face With Bigfoot

You're listening to Bigfoot Society and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In this show we go beyond the campfire stories to bring you firsthand encounters from people who say they've seen something impossible, from backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere and each one leaves us with more questions than answers. These are the voices of the people who've lived it. So settle in because today you'll hear another account that just might change the way you see the woods forever. So stay with us. All right, Bigfoot Society, we've got the privilege of talking to Mr. Brian Owens again from down there in southern Indiana. It's been a while since we last talked to Brian. I want to say, man, I just looked up the number today, but I think it was back in the 700s, right, Brian? Yeah, like 730. Yeah, man, it is a wild, wild episode. The amount of activity that you had gone over at that cabin was just mind-blowing. And thankfully you've started your own Facebook group and we'll talk about that later where you're just putting the stuff up there where people can get quick access to it, which is a really smart idea. We'll have that link in the show notes as well. But Brian, you just told me you listened to the episode, which was one of the highest listened to episodes on YouTube for 2025. So that was like, we've got to have Brian back on to get an update. And so you listened to that this morning and then you're like, I know exactly where to start and you've got a whole list of things that have happened since then. So anything else that the listeners would need to know about you, Brian, before we get going? No, not really. I mean, I'm pretty open book. Anybody wants to find out anything about me, they can just, I'm open to the public on Facebook, on my account, plus the Bayhoe Bigfoot account. Absolutely Bayhoe Bigfoot. Good stuff. Well, Brian, I'm going to let you go ahead and take it from here because you've got a ton of stuff to go through and I want to get through as much as we can in this episode. So go right ahead, man. Okay. First, I want to apologize from the first episode that we did. I was excited and had a lot going on and I didn't talk to very many people about it. So actually getting online and on a podcast and just telling my story, I was kind of missing things here and there and the times and dates, like stuff that happened before I was saying after. I just want to make sure, you know, I apologize to everybody because it sounds like I was just so excited. But I made like 16 points today, just kind of topics of what's happened since then, since the last podcast. And the first one that I think is probably the best one that's ever happened out of all of them is back in the spring of 2025, I was casting a couple of footprints on the other side of the creek here and I thought, well, I'll take, well, that's the plasters drying. I'll just take them some gifts back here to the curve of the trail. There's a big old like 36 inch round stump. You know, that's where I usually gift that. And I took some apples and stuff like that in my backpack. I'm walking back there and in between the two, there's two cedar trees that are kind of close together. I walk in between those and then I turn left to go with that stump and a pebble hit me right in the heart and didn't hurt. You know, it just bounced off my chest and lay on the ground. I was looking down to make sure I wasn't going to trip over anything as I walked through those cedars and I seen that pebble bounce right off my chest. I thought, huh, I looked up and I didn't see anything that would have thrown the pebble. You know, I thought, well, they're there. You know, I just can't see them. So I just thought they were playing games with me and I walked over to the stump and, you know, I took everything out the apples and whatever I took out there for gifts and set them on the stump. And I always, like I always do, I stand up and say, you know, hey, I brought you some gifts. I hope you enjoy them. And as soon as I said that down the creek, probably about 40 yards down the hill there into the creek, I heard a tree start popping and cracking and I turn around real quick to look and a tree's being pushed over. It's not a huge tree, maybe eight inches in diameter, but I didn't see anything pushing it over, but it's coming over, you know, and it's just popping and cracking and it hits the ground. Then I had this overwhelming feeling that I need to leave. You know, I shouldn't be there. So I said, okay, I understand. I get you. I feel you. So I'm going to head on back to the house now. And I get about halfway down the trail, heading back to the cabin and I hear what sounds like a woman moaning or almost, I thought it was kind of like a moaning or crying kind of way. And I thought, oh, it sounds like maybe one had passed away and she's crying or something, you know, that's, that's the vibe I was getting. And as I kept walking about every couple of minutes, I would hear her moan and cry and I'm like, man, that's, that's awful. I hope, you know, they're okay. You know, in my mind, I'm picturing a little one died or something or someone's died and she's crying about it. And I get to the house and I'm checking my cast. And one of the researchers from Michigan had called me and we were talking on the phone. I was telling her, I'm like, I'm hearing this woman crying back here every couple of minutes. And she was, oh, no, I hope nothing's wrong. You know, we're just talking about it. And all of a sudden, I, I start hearing males going, whoo, whoo, like happy whoo's, you know, I'm like, what the world is going on back there. And then it just dawned on me. She wasn't crying or, you know, mourning anything. I think she was in labor. And when I had walked back there is a wrong time for me to go back here because they've never, fortunately, you know, done anything to make me leave before. But I think she was a female back here at Gave birth. And I was telling Jill about it. She was, oh, yeah, that's, that sounds about right. Every couple of minutes she might have been having contractions. And then there at the last minute she had a baby, you know, and about a month later, that's, I seen a young female breastfeeding a newborn baby, you know, sitting up by herself. There's a group of, there's probably about three or four squatches to the left of where I was taking a picture. And then she was off to her own by herself sitting there breastfeeding a baby. And I thought, okay, that was probably her that was giving birth then. And I just thought that was amazing, you know, when I did take a picture of her breastfeeding. So, right. Absolutely. You want to have respect there for sure. How close to the cabin was that happening though? Oh, that was, that was back pretty good ways down the trail. That was right at the curve and they were further down the creek, you know, going further away from the cabin. They was down in the creek area and that creek drops off real, it's stairs steps down and goes down an elevation a long ways. The further down you go, the further down in elevation it goes. So they were way back in there. That's where the tree got pushed over, you know. That's about the same area where the tree got pushed over. That's about where I heard the moaning and crying or whatever. So I would say it's probably a good 150, 160 yards from the cabin. So knowing that information, it makes you take that, that information about you got a pebble thrown at your heart in a different, it's kind of like, hey buddy, like wake up, you know, wow. Yeah. Yeah. I think he was just telling me, hey, you know, just like throwing a pebble, get my attention. Hey, no, nothing else. Good time. They've thrown rocks before, but that's always to get my attention, but never at me, never hit me, never once. That's the only time one's ever hit me. And it didn't hurt. Like I said, it's probably about the sides of a dying and it wasn't thrown like a baseball throw, you know, just like tossed and kind of hit me in the chest. I think just to get my attention. Well, like I said, when I looked up, I didn't see anything. It wasn't until they pushed a tree over that, and that's when I just had this feeling, because they pushed trees over here all, they pushed trees out here all the time, but never when I'm back there and that close, you know, because that was pretty close, but it wasn't a big tree. It just let me know, hey, you need to leave buddy, and I'm not a good time. And I got that vibe, you know, that's the feeling I got, you know, hey, now it's not a good time going back to the house. And, you know, that's why I found out, you know, I put two and two together and then, you know, they had, they were having a baby back here. And I've always thought here within the last year or so that this place is a burning area. They come here and have babies and I think they stay long enough to the babies with a traveling age, you know, strength wise or whatever age and then they leave. And then there's always a group here, you know, a clan and there's actually multiple clan family units. And they just, and every time I see them, they've always gotten newborns when I do see them. So I'm pretty sure they're here having the babies and they stay for a while, then they leave, then more come in. But yeah, that was a pretty fascinating time. That was actually not before a camp out that I was getting right out here. And, well, and I'm going to go ahead and this next topic that I got is a trip to Yellowwood National Park up in Bayou. So I go up there to a I BRO camp out. It's the Indiana Bigfoot Research Organization. They had like a three or four day camp out and me and my son went up there. We took our little pop up camper and the day that we got there, we set it up and I, oh, we're setting up the pop up, you know, pulling the beds out and everything, slide out there and everything out. I look into the wood line there where we were at and there was one sitting there watching me and Peyton set up the pop up and I took a couple of pictures of it and I thought Peyton, there's one right there watching us. He goes, yeah, I thought I heard something back there. And so we just, I just took a couple pictures and went back to put up the pop up and I told, uh, you know, Lee Roynell, the, hey, I seen one back here while we were sitting at the pop up. This is in the middle of the day, you know, and I don't know if he'd believe me or not, but it really was there. He was just laying up against the tree watching us set the camper up and, um, you know, of course that weekend there was a lot of activity that had Greg Gios was out there and they got the, I don't know if you know, heard of Greg Gios, but he's had them like asking for eye shine and they show their eye shine that that happened that week and or that we were there and, um, you know, a lot of, a lot of things happened one night and Peyton that camped or I'm sorry, we were making a, making our dinner over the campfire there outside and we were frying some stuff up. I think we made pork chops and potatoes or something. I don't remember and, uh, with that iron skillet out there on the fire pit thing, the little rack that you put your food on or your prime pans on and, uh, we went inside the camper and laid down cold at night and we heard we were probably in there 30 minutes in the dark and just laying there getting ready to go to sleep and Peyton was on the backside of the camper with a bed that slid out where it, um, is next to the wood line and I'm out a mines on over by the road and, uh, we heard something gurgling, growling kind of like noise. It's almost like labor breathing, but you can hear it like it's, but it's like gurgling as it's breathing and Peyton thought it was a dog. He was, man, is that a dog? I was like, no, but listen, just listen to it and it kept making this gurgling noise. It's like it's breathing through its mouth, like tasting in its mouth, like it's breathing. You know what I mean? That's what that's what I'm saying. I knew it was a squash. I knew immediately what it was. It was on a dog and, um, Peyton went to stand up to look out the window where it was at. It was over by the fire pit and as soon as Peyton stood up and he made some kind of noise and boom, it was done. It was gone. It left. So I'm pretty sure one had trawled in, you know, low crawling in there to get my skillet where we had cooked that food on it. It smelted and it's probably the one that was watching us set up the pop up and it was pretty wild. And then the second trip, we went to Yellowwood again for the convention that they had. Everybody was standing at the hotel and only a handful of us were staying at Yellowwood. And that time, um, I got up Saturday morning. We've got there Friday and I got up Saturday morning real early because I was so cold. Um, I went outside to make a fire. It was before daylight and I sat out there by myself and was, you know, got a fire going and I was watching the sun come up and down by the dumpsters, probably about 60 yards away over by the bathrooms. Um, it's kind of like in between the lake and the bathrooms where there's a set of dumpsters and there's woods, you know, trees around it and everything. And I seen three or four of them stand up and watching me and they were behind the dumpster, but in the tree line there. And I waved at them and, um, I thought, man, I'll get up, take this bag of chips over to them. But I know as soon as I get close, they're going to take off. Um, so I just took a quick picture of them and went on back inside. And, uh, so that's another experience that I had at Yellowwood. Two different times we went to Yellowwood. Well, I got to see them both times. And, um, so that was, uh, back in the last summer in October, we went to, uh, the Clark Forestry in, uh, Henryville, Indiana. And we were there and, you know, Greg Yost was there. Um, we were you know, a lot of the Indiana big fit researchers. Greg Yost was hosting the camp out and me and Greg, we were our campsites right next to each other. And I had left, um, to go buy a TV for my grandson. He's 13. He wanted to stay with us. So me and my grandson left to go buy this TV off the marketplace, you know, so he'd have something to watch in the camper. And when we came back, um, we pulled in, it was dark. When we pulled into our little spot there, the wood line is right there. And I seen my headbys were shining into the trees. And I seen somebody walking tall, skinny, and they had a, looked like they had a brown hoodie on with the hood over their head, you know, walking through the trees, going to the left away from Monning Greg's campsite. And I thought, oh, why is somebody in the woods? No flashlight just walking, you know, with their head down, walking through the woods. So I shut my lights off real quick, thinking, well, I'm going to ruin their night vision, you know, and then my son comes, run up and he opens the door on the past side of truck. You're not going to believe what happened. We went back here, a bunch of us, and, you know, uh, he was all excited. He goes, we had activity. We had something thrown at us. I asked him a question. I said, if you want us to leave, make a noise or do something, we'll leave. And then something got thrown at him, big old piece of bark or something. He said, and they all, you know, and then one of them had seen something dart in between the line of them or whatever. I said, no, I was like, Oh, well, that's probably what I just seemed walking away from you guys. Then, um, I thought it was a person, but it probably was one of them. You know, I can't say a hundred percent, but it makes sense because it's going through the trees in the woods, you know, about 20 feet into the woods. They're walking from where they were to the left, and then he didn't have a light or anything. And what was a brown hoodie? I guess was its hair. I don't know. I'm not sure. I just, I just called it with a glance and I shut my lights off thought. I was, you know, blinding somebody, but that was a pretty good time. And my son, you know, he got really excited about it. And so that was, that was a pretty good camp. And we had other things happen there too. Now, back here at home, I had these three dead trees that are out in my front of my property in my front, basically in my front yard. And they're pretty good size trees. And I've always been worried about them ever since I bought this place that they were going to fall when I might hit the cabin. And I took some gifts out to them one day and I just asked them to say, I got three dead trees out here in the front of my, in my front yard. If there's any way you guys can push those down for me where it doesn't, because I'm afraid they're going to either fall and hit somebody or hit my cars or hit my house. I said, it would mean a lot if you could maybe somehow push those down for me out of the way. And about two weeks went by, you know, that's about, I've asked them a couple of times, every time I give to them, I'm always bringing up, Hey, if you can push those trees down for me. And, you know, just one morning when we get up, and there's a big tree that was pushed over in my front yard, one of the ones that was dead, one of the ones that concerned me the most, because it could have fell either way and hit my cars in the driveway or come back and hit the cabin. But it was pushed where it was facing, you know, going towards the road, the opposite direction it was leaning. And I thought that was weird. You know, I thought, maybe they did it. I don't know. I said, maybe they'll get the other two. I don't know. So, but it still kind of caught up onto another tree. It wasn't fully on the ground, but it was enough to where if it was going to fall, it wasn't going to hit anything. So we, you know, we took the cable up to it with my truck and gave it one little tug and it fell on down to the ground and we cut it up and everything. Well, about a week later, another tree was pushed over, one of the other dead ones that was down by the creek that could have either fell on the cabin. You know, that was worried about it falling on the cabin. It got pushed over into the creek or it fell over. I should say pushed because I didn't see anything push them. I'm just going to say it fell over into the creek. And I thought, wow, that's pretty amazing. You know, another tree that I asked to be pushed down got pushed down, one of the three dead ones. And that, and then I was really concerned about that one. So we had company coming that night for a little bonfire. Actually, it was three NFL players. I don't want to say what team they're from, but they came out and a guy that retired from NASA, it was there. And we had a little camp out course. They had their own experiences. They got to hear the wood knocks and we've seen a lot of warbs flashing around. I mean, there's just like these balls, softball sized lights, round white lights flashing all over the place. And it's pretty cool that they got to have their own experience. You know, they've messaged me a couple of times when they come back out, when they went to camp and things like that. I said, yeah, that's fine. Just, you know, we'll set something up. So that, but that was the second time a tree got pushed down. The third tree that got pushed down, the third, the third tree that got pushed down, the last dead tree, that's when we were at the Clark Forestry with Greg's camp out. And when we came home, that's when I noticed that tree because we was laying across the other lane that I had over across the creek, that lane that we used to, I made it where it goes to the trail and drives all the way back to the field like I could drive my truck from the road all the way back to the field on that lane. But that third dead tree was pushed over laying across that lane. I said, wow, I mean, three weeks, three trees that I asked get pushed down, we're down. Now, could it be coincidence? I don't know, but they've been up the whole time I've lived here, you know, for three years. And in three weeks, the all three got down, got knocked down. That's interesting because so you've mentioned Greg Yost a few times and he's been on the show too. He goes by the squash man. Yeah. And I think in his interview, he mentioned something similar where it is where they had asked them to push over trees and they actually, they were able to get that in response. So that's, that's interesting. Yeah. He's got a, he's got a wild event that happened or experience where he thought he was going to be moving out of the state. And he asked them, hey, let's make some noise on this party and they pushed down a bunch of big trees. And he had witnesses. I mean, yeah, and that, that's pretty amazing. So they do understand you. And it's me, they knew which trees I wanted down without me marking them. But I guess they could tell which ones, the big ones were dead. So they, they knew which ones I wanted down and they pushed them all down. It took them a week to do each one. Maybe they were waiting for the right time, but they, they got them all down and that to me, that's amazing, you know. Yeah. Yeah. The greats been out here a couple of times. The first time he came out, he went down his car. I was leaf blowing actually blowing some leaves on my backpack lower and he pulled up. We were having a little, little bonfire that night. I invited him and another couple and I think Robert Stern came, I can't remember, but they all came out and the great came in first. And so I wanted to show him around. So I took him out back to where my building is and where the, there's a big tree that they pushed over when we first moved there. It's by the building. It's a big old dead tree and they didn't have no limbs or nothing on the things. You know, I can't, I can put both arms around, not touch my fingertips. That's how big around it was. And I told Peyton one day, and this is when we first moved in. This man, that tree is going to fall. We need to get that down one of these days. And a few days later, it was on the ground. I said, well, we don't have to worry about cutting it down. It's on the ground. So I think they did that one too, but that's before I even knew they were on the property. And, but that log is still laying there. I won't move it because they're always there around it. You know, they're always on the other side of it. Whenever I pull in my driveway, I'll see my headlights will shine down to there. If it's dark and I'll see them on the other side of that log, just sitting around hanging around it. Oh really? So it's like a, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That somewhere where they can kind of sit behind and watch and not being fully exposed. Okay. Got it. Yep. And I just leave it there. Now, we were going to cut it up and move it, but they like it. They, they give, they give me stuff there. I give them stuff there. So we just, I counted as a boundary line. I do go over every now and again, you know, but, but they, they seem to like sitting up there around it and stuff and watching that side of the house. But that's a Greg back there the day he came. He went here, gosh, five, 10 minutes. When we walked back here, where that, that log is, I said, Hey, Greg, look over there. It's across the creek up the other hill on the other ridge. He goes, Oh yeah, I see him. I see one. No, I see two. He's no, there's three. Look, he just turned his head sideways. So he got the witness, three of them. You know, and that's, that's really rare. Cause when people come out there, they usually don't see them, you know, right off the bat. It usually takes, you know, a few days for them to actually want to the people. I like, I've had researchers out here, they would hear them, you know, they would hear the, the knocks and the whoops and his house and things like that, but they wouldn't see them. You know, the first camp, the first couple of campouts that I had, but for Greg to come out, you know, the very first time he's been there and got to see three of them together, you know, that was pretty, pretty amazing. Oh, absolutely. I think just real quick, I think that might talk something to the intention of the person that's in the area or, or how, you know, kind of connected in, and Greg is an individual. I know this just from talking to him for, for an hour. He's a really, really like well connected to the Sasquatch individual. You could, you could say, you can tell it from talking to him. So I think there's something. Yeah. It's like, it's like he told me, he said, once they know you, they all know you. And if they don't like you, you won't see them. If they like you, they're all going to show themselves to you or let you know one way or another that they're there. And, you know, that just proves the point that, you know, because Greg being there, like I said, nobody's ever seen him the first time being there. And for them to let Greg see him the very first, you know, within 10 minutes of being there. And I thought that was pretty special. So well, they really do, they really do like him, you know. And, yeah, we had some more experiences later that night. We had a rock. We were all, we were sitting on the campfire and it started to rain. So we went up onto the deck and I have those, uh, Sunsetter hauntings, whatever that come out. So we were all sitting out there in the awning and we were hearing, they said they were hearing little ones laughing and playing around in the shed in the building back here. It's a lean to building. It's open on one end and I have a lot of lumber in there where I've been working on the cabin and we hear them in there playing all the time. Like you hear boards, like when they step on a board and it'll raise up and drop back down and hit and, um, things moving around. But, you know, Greg and them got to hear them that night too. And he said he kept hearing little kids laughing and I didn't, I personally didn't hear them, but, you know, but he heard them and then, you know, the other people heard them, but there was a rock. Um, I like said, my deck is 10 foot off the ground on that end and we were under the canopy. A triangle shaped white rock was thrown up from underneath the canopy from outside of the porch, the deck there come up at an angle and hit underneath the canopy where it pushed the canopy up and then came down and hit the deck floor right there by Greg and Peyton, my son. And, you know, they all seen the rock. I actually didn't get up to go look. Yeah. Then it's pretty wild and Greg's together. They're right here, you know, in a, of course, you know, Peyton and Greg and his wife and Greg, you know, they all seen the rock and it definitely hit inside underneath the canopy and came down. So it was tossed up from the ground up, you know, and there's no, the road's pretty good ways away for a rock to do that. Oh man. And I had to go to stories that Greg likes to talk about too. So they're still getting pretty close to the cabin then. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I hear them out here all the time, man. I live here by myself now and they're all the time around. I, you know, my security camera, this is going to be one of my points that I made here. One of my topics, talk about my security camera picked up this alien looking creature by my recliner. The camera's in the kitchen and it should go, folks is always through the, or it, it looks always through the kitchen into the living room by the patio door and then in between the two patio doors, there's a recliner. There was some sitting there on there. I don't know if it's sitting in the arm of their corner or standing in the floor because it's, you know, night vision. It's kind of hard to see, but it had two big long skinny arms, a weird looking face. It almost looked demonic instead of an alien to me. And I posted that on my group as well, that picture. And the other, as far as the alien looking things go, I call them little yodos, but they, I've seen a lot here lately that look more like your typical grays with the black eyes, the shape of their head and the real small mouths and stuff, big eyes, but these are not really gray. They're a tan skin, like a sand color skin. And I've been getting this picture of this one who's, I probably got three different pictures of him here lately. He's always with the squashes, you know, and he's real little, but he's got a huge head. The last two pictures I got of him, he's wearing like, I don't know if it's the same individual, but he's got like his black clothes. It's like a suit, I don't want to say a suit, just real tight clothes. It's almost like a shiny black material, almost like a satin look that he, that he wears. And it's, I don't know, when I see him, I don't really get scared or anything, but I just, he straight up looks like a gray, you know, but just different color skin. My goodness. And that's, is that inside your house, too? No, that's outside. Okay. So outside. So just on the porch, you're saying? Yeah. Yeah, I took a picture. I got one picture where I had dumped a bunch of apples over the winter, this past summer we had, we had all that snow. I had bought like 300 apples from Michigan and they were the Ambrosia and the, the, the honeycrisp or whatever, the real sweet ones. I'd bought like 300 just for them and I would always get them like 10 to 15 apples at a time, you know, but they was getting to where there was a lot of snow and I was afraid mice was going to come in my garage and start eating on the apples. So I went ahead and just took that whole big box that I had left, had to probably like a 150 apples in it. And I took it back here to that log by the Lingtu building and I just dumped it on the other side of that log where they're always sitting. And they were probably there a couple of days. One night I came home and pulled in my driveway and I've seen a squash, a big guy, a big male sitting there on the other side of the log eating the apples. And I got a picture of him and it wasn't until later when I was looking at the picture that when I noticed this funny shaped head on the other side of the log, just about to the right, you know, the squash that it was the little, little Yoda guy looking at me and seeing his two black eyes and his head. I was like, okay, yep, that's the one I've been seeing. You know, I've got, I've got, like I said, I've got two or three pictures of him and that's the same one, same looking one. I can't say it's the same individual, but they all have the same look. And that's on my, that's on my group as well. But here, the past week, man, my camera's been picking up these real low humming, deep humming sounds. And when I listened to, you know, when I watched a video from my camera onto my phone, my phone even by brace, I could shaking my phone speaker because it's so deep. And I don't know what it is. I've sent it to a couple of researchers. They said it sounds like a machine, like some machinery. And I'm like, well, I live in the woods. There's no machinery. The first night that I heard it, I was in bed, it was around, it was almost one o'clock in the morning. And I was, I was awake, but I was like going to sleep. And I heard that noise and it sounded, it was outside, it definitely outside. And I thought, well, man, what is that? Cause it was, it was like this humming noise, but it had a real deep, I thought it was a moaning noise at first. Like maybe one of them, a big one was moaning. I got not really a growl or roar or howl or anything, just like a whoo. And I checked my camera and my camera picked it up, but it doesn't know justice to what I heard in person. But if you was to go in my group and listen to that and hold your device, if you did it with your phone or an iPad or something, even people that commented understood, yeah, the vibration, my phone vibrates when I hear it. Okay. That's super interesting because that is something that a group of researchers are starting to pick up all around the U S and they're starting to call it, um, they got a name for it, something like the Hummer, but they're starting to notice it in all these bigfoot recordings. And so for you to bring that up, have you reached out, do you know who Doug Highcheck is? Uh, never heard of So he was the guy who is the producer of the first, uh, run of Monster Quest, uh, back a while ago. But, uh, he would be an individual, he does the Sasquatch Legend Meet Science DVD, um, or, or documentaries. Uh, he would be extremely interested in hearing that. That would be a guy, uh, if, if you would want to send it to another researcher, he would be all about it. And he'd probably be able to tell you all sorts of stuff about it. But, um, yeah, so it's in your, it's in your group. So, people can check it out. And I mean, I'd love to hear it too, but I guess I could just always go to the group, right? So yeah, well, the other one that I heard was this morning at seven 30. That was the second one. And I just put that on a group. It's the same humming noise, but it, it fluctuates up and down a little bit towards the, about after middle ways, it'll, it'll go down a little bit and then come back up and, you know, pitch the whole time I've lived here, it's only happened twice. And that was here recently when I, when I sent the first recording to BFRO, because I've been staying in contact with this guy ever since he's been out here the first time. He's been out here multiple times. And he said, he thought, man, you need to go out and look and see if that was a spacecraft. I'm like, well, he was, yeah, I'm glad, see, see any markings on the ground. Cause I'm seeing all the little yodas, you know, and he said, you need to go out. He goes, that hum sounds mechanical. He said, you need to go out, look for some kind of markings on the ground, maybe something landed or something, which I've not been there. Something I also want to point out in addition to the Yoda thing you just shared, because this is in your group too. I'm looking at it right now. The photos of the alien that you've taken, you're exactly right. They look exactly like the Brazil aliens from 1996. Cause they got the bumps on their head and the, the bulging out eyes, dude. You are dead on with that. The red eyes. Yeah. Well, I, you know, when I took that first picture, the one of the pictures I'm lying, the one and then the up close one, those were taken in 2024. And I'd never heard of, I just recently heard, I watched a documentary over that Brazil. It's like the Brazilian Roswell or yeah, Brazilian Roswell, whatever, UFO crash. I just recently watched that about a week or so ago and I thought, wow, when I, when I watched it and seen what those little girls drew, I said, that looks like little Yoda out here, you know, set the skins different color, but they were talking about the skin was tan, except for that, because there were more than one. Cause I started watching more documentaries of different people having documented a lot of them were tan skin, except for that one was real dark and it was like oozing out this, greasy like stuff that actually one of the people supposedly was one of the paramedics or something that carried it in a bit on the skin. He that died from infection from it. But the knots on its head is what little Yoda has out here. He had three knots on its head as well, which I didn't notice that until my friend from the BFR. I was like, look, it's got knots on its head, like little horns, little rounded off horns. Now look, I said, Oh yeah, that's, there's like two or three of them up here. And I've seen little Yoda more than once. That's that one that I have a picture of. So he does have three knots, you know, one towards his left side, one in the middle, one towards the right side. They look like little rounded bones. You know what I mean? Wow. This is, this is really getting wild dude. Yeah. Um, I took out, uh, I was out in mailbox the other day and I found an empty peanut butter jar. I used to get in the peanut butter all the time, but I always took it back into the woods, you know, but there was an empty peanut butter jar up by my mailbox. The label was peeled off, no lid, and it was like it had been washed, you know, the inside was completely cleaned out. And, uh, that's for, I think maybe they set that up there to let me know they want more peanut butter because they never bring the jars back. The problem there, they laid up by close to the mailbox. Oh, well, that's, that's pretty weird. So I took another jar out yesterday and stuck it in that log. I wedged it down in there where, you know, Ratkin couldn't pull it out. And it went out there just right here, a little bit ago and checked and it was gone. I hope the jar was gone. Do you leave it out there opened or do you, do you have it? So they have to open it? No, I, they have to open it. I, I peeled, I opened it and take the peeling, no, the cut, that silver part, I peeled that off and then put the lid back on. Um, used to, they would just peel the labels off of it, um, and leave the jar, you know, not eat it. They would like, I would go out and check it like a day or two later. The label would be peeled completely off of it and not laying there. I don't know what happened to the label. I thought, well, if a raccoon's done that, the jar would be probably laying down, not standing up, you know, and then I go out again and then jar would be completely gone. Sometimes a lid will be laying there and a jar be gone or sometimes I just take the whole jar. Now they just take the whole jar. They don't even, they know what it is. They grab it and go, but I think them, but that empty jar of peanut butter up here by the mailbox is they know I stopped there every day to check my mail when I pull in the driveway. So they, I think they just threw that close to their hay with more peanut butter. Oh yeah. I mean, you know, when I dumped all those, when I dumped all those apples out, you know, there was, it's, you know, because we had all that snow and stuff. I knew, I knew through, if they forged, it was going to be a little harder than a winter for home. And I had went out there to see if they ate all the apples. Of course they were all gone. And on the other side of log, there was this big old piece of bark that was laying there that has never been there before. And there was this green, blueish green looking piece of, I don't know if it's glass or a piece of crystal, but it's a rock, but you can see through it. It's like blueish green. And it was sitting on that piece of bark and I stepped over the logs and grabbed it and held up and said, Hey, thank you. So they gifted me back, you know, that little piece of greenish looking blue, right? Like I saw it in here on the shelf now. And then yesterday, I think it's yesterday or the day before I went back here and I had left them one day before that had left them some little cakes, little strawberry filled Danish's like things. And went out there the next day and they left me a pine cone on that log. And there's no pine tree over there. So it couldn't fail, you know, laying on the log and sitting perfectly on the log. So I got it. I took it as a gift and brought it in. So you may, you are having just stuff happen up to, I mean, up to today. I mean, it is current. Yeah, every day. I see them every day. I still see them every day. Every every day I'm out there. If I'm doing something, they're always watching me. They're always looking. I come in here on my couch. Cause like I said, I have these two big sliding glass patio doors on one wall that's faces the deck and, you know, the creek and everything. And I'll come in here and sometimes I'll just lay on the couch and flip the TV on and I'll look to my left out the patio door and I'll see them over there about 70 yards away. Cause there's like a big thick of the trees back here. They've nested into that too. And they could see me and I see them. Now I don't know how they always know. They must be watching all the time. Cause when I come in here and I look over there and I see them, then next thing you know, there'll be more than one, it'll be two or three and they're just watching me and like, how in the world can they see me so good? They must have really good eyesight because they, they all the time know when I'm around. And, uh, but I went back here one time this past winter where there's a lot of snow in the ground just to take pictures of the trees. Cause I got a lot of cedar trees and pine trees on the back part of my property where the field is. And I like it when the snow builds up on the limbs. It makes good pictures, but I had walked back and I had just stepped into the field from the trail and I heard a big, um, like a grunt, but it was across the field into the neighbor's property and the bunch of cedars they had up there. I just heard this big grunt like a, hey, watch out that he's here. You know, and I just looked immediately, looked to my left, I've seen two does in the field. So I started watching them. I just stood there. I didn't go no further into the field. I started watching the does and then into the tree line past the does I see this huge red squash. I mean, he was huge and I've got a picture of him before. He just has this real long face and he's all brown, like reddish brown hair, even all over his face. It's all reddish brown. You can't see any skin. His whole face is covered in hair. He stands up and walks off to the right. My right is left down the tree line. And I got a picture of him leaving, you know, standing up walking off. And I think what I've done is like, oh, I messed up there, dear of it. You know, I felt so bad. You know, I was like, oh, my gosh, it's winter time. There's, you know, almost a foot of snow on the ground and they're out here trying to get some food and I messed it up for them. So I slowly turned around and walked out and went on back to the house. I felt so bad that I messed up their deer. I think that's when I, I think that's the night that I actually took all the box of apples out there and dumped them on the other side of the log. At one time I was stacking some firewood here at a bunch piled up by the end of that lane on the other side of the creek. This is where we always have our camp outs and our fire pit and stuff. I had a wheelbarrow and I was filling it up and walking over to the, where I stacked the wheel up and stacking. I did probably about 15, 20 loads of wheelbarrow loads over there. I was so tired and I thought, man, I'm gonna lay down because I had that real pretty green moss there on the ground. So I just laid down. It was cold, you know, but I had my coveralls and stuff on. I laid on the ground. I was sweating and tired. I was like, oh, it felt so good to lay there and relax. And I felt like I was being watched. I just continued to lay there. Well, they're probably thinking something's wrong because I've never laid down on the ground before, you know, and they're probably wondering, you know, why I'm laying there. And I'd say I felt like I was being watched for about three or four minutes. And then all of a sudden I felt this presence sit down and right beside me on my left side. It's like it's my son would have walked up and sat down right beside me. I just felt like something was there, you know, it was, I probably laid there for another five or 10 minutes, feeling that presence laying there. And I didn't, I didn't talk and anything. I just laying there looking up at the tree tops. It was spitting snow. I was letting the snow fall on me and stuff, just being one with the helmet, you know, and then it got up already just like it went away, the feeling went away. And so that's when I got up and finished them when I was doing. And I think it's really weird that they can be in, I don't know if they're, I wish I knew more about the subject because I'm only going by what I'm seeing and hearing and feeling out here. Like if they can be invisible, I don't know if it's them actually being invisible or if they can do it some kind of spirit form or something. I don't know, how can they come up on me like that and me not see them or hear them, you know, but you know they're there. You know they're right there. I've, I've seen them cloaking. I've took so many pictures of them cloaking where you can see their body in their faces up, but you can see through them. You can see the trees and stuff behind them. And I don't know if that's them can actually cloak or if they're projecting theirself there. I don't know. I mean, it's all a mystery. I just wish I knew more about it because my son, like I said, I said in the first episode where he seen one standing in his doorway and he still to this day will argue with you that there was something standing there that he originally thought it was me. Me said once he turned the line on it was gone. Of course, you know, it's not going to be all open the door and come through the house. So it has to be projecting, projecting itself there. It's just real weird on what they can do. I know a lot of people don't like the woo stuff, but man, if you see them enough, you experience, you experience more than the average person seeing one crossing a road at your level. There's a lot to be learned and it's like the technology. Well, the one I, when I talked about my first episode, that first clan was here and technology and I will argue that to the day I died. They had technology. Right. This clan is here now. Yeah. This clan is here now. I've not seen them have anything, any sorts of it. I've not seen the leather satchels or any kind of technology they hold their hands. And it's like this clan is totally different from the first clan. I missed the first clan because they were so interactive. You know, they, they would wave and smile. If I want this one guy called Mr. Edwards from like the little house, they're parades. It looks just like him. I took this picture and he, I got his picture and he looked at me. I took another picture and he was just cheese and here to here. He's like, Oh, yeah, you got me. They were just so fun because they were always waving at me. And I need to tell you this one time, my grandkids came over for the weekend. Um, the only was five and Kenzie was three and, um, they stayed the weekend and one Saturday afternoon, we were out here on the deck. You know, the kids were being allowed. They were laughing and throwing stuff off the deck into the creek and watching the water splash and they were just playing around, having a good time. And then McKenzie, my three year old granddaughter, she was staying there looking out towards the back into the woods and she stopped and said, Hey, pop off. Look, is that big foot? And I look, sure enough, it was like three or four of them standing over there in the open watching the kids play. And I said, well, yeah, it is. And she was, were they hurting? I was like, no, they're, they're just watching me play. And she was, can I wave at them? I was like, yeah. So she starts waving at them and family starts waving at them and, uh, they start waving back. The big mills waving back, but he was only waving with his fingers. He wouldn't like waving his hand back. Of course, like they were doing. He would just like hold his arm up and take his fingers and go up and down and waving back at them. And then they had some, uh, a couple of the elder female ones, they were old. He could tell they were old. One of them held up her pet cat was showing McKenzie. And I took a picture of that and she's literally hoping I see that cat around my cabin all the time. That's, that's their pet. And, um, she was holding up showing McKenzie her cat. And then another picture, you know, there was a little young female around Kinsey's age, you know, in front of the older female and my daughter female was kind of leaned down talking to the little, little female girl and just talking to them. And, Kenzie's like, yeah, they seem nice. They're nice. And then the next day, Sunday, my daughter came to pick them up. We are all out there in the back and soon as Tony walked around the corner of the deck there, um, family goes, mom, we've seen Bigfoot. She goes, you did. And they were like, yeah. And they go, yeah, we were waving like this, but they were waving like this. They were doing it wrong. And, uh, Tony was like, my daughter, she, she believes there's something here, but she's never seen one. So she's one of, she's like me. It's going to take scene one to believe it, you know, and she's real fast. And she knows her kids aren't lying or anything. And now my daughter, my granddaughter McKenzie, you know, that night that they, she had seen them that Saturday night, McKenzie slept in my son's room with him in his bed and family was sleeping with me. And, um, Hayden said early, early that morning is around six o'clock. He, uh, called me. He goes, hey man, he was saying that, uh, McKenzie wants to come in and lay with you, but she won't come down the hallway. I was like, why? She's been running up down at hallway all night. He goes, I know, but she's scared. She said, he said, uh, she said she's seen Bigfoot in here. I said, really? He goes, he goes, yeah. I said, we'll just walk her in here. So he brought her in there and put her in bed with me. She's kind of whimpering, but she said she's seen Bigfoot standing in Peyton's doorway. That's the same one. You know, Peyton had seen, you know, a Bigfoot standing in his doorway back here. And my daughter now has told me, since this happened, since they were out here, my daughter tells me that every time they have little, uh, bonfire out in their backyard, they live in town, but there's woods, you know, in the back side of their property. My granddaughter will say, Hey mom, look, there's Bigfoot right there. And Tony will know, honey, I don't see anything. She said, yeah, look, he's holding a baby. And my daughter says, I can't see that. She was, you can't see it. Mommy's right there. So I think maybe they attached herself to my granddaughter or my grandkids, you know, when they kind of go where they go and they'll go visit them. Okay. So that's, that's extremely interesting. And, and certain people may be almost allowed to see them. And some, there's so many ways you can go from that, man. That's, that's weird stuff. Yeah. Yeah. It's like the time that my son, you know, me and him walked the trail and got to the curve right before the curve there. And there was a young one, a wood before we got to it, where we knew where the one was at, you know, we knew that, you see that area. And then we got close to the curve. I said, Hey, there it is right there. He was that. I can't see it. I was like, it's nearly, it's only like 20 or 30 yards from us. I'm like, it's right there. It's like, you can see it from it's shoulders up, you know, and had its hand the sphangers up by its mouth. Like, Oh no, he can see me. You know, that's the kind of vibe I got. It was all black with the light gray skin and pain was I can't see it that. So I held my walking stick up and looked down my walking stick. He was, I see something kind of dark, but I can't see, you know, I can't see anything. And so I, you know, I was recording it and it actually took a picture of it. And it shows me, you know, it shows the whole face. It shows us hands up by its fingers, up by its mouth and everything. And Peyton said, and I was telling a researcher about this. And they said, well, if they feel like you're going to be really frightened by seeing one, they won't let you see them. And Peyton's always been super scared. The only time he really wasn't, he says he's not scared anymore. And he will stay here at night by himself now. He used to, he wouldn't. If it was, if I was leading just go to the gas station, he would get up and go with me. He would not stay here by himself. He's, you know, 20 years old. He's 22 now. But the only time that he was ever excited and didn't seem scared is when we were at Greg Yos kept out there at Clark Force. When he comes to my truck, I like side it. He goes, yeah, I really like this now, you know, because they, when he asked, they wanted to leave just make a noise or do something. They threw that big old piece of bark towards their way or either a rock or piece of bark. I can't remember what he said. But ever since then, you know, he's like, I think he would be okay seeing one now. But with Peyton, his biggest thing is not, he wasn't seeing him in person, but he was always having dreams. They were, you know, we just found out that they, they can visit you in your dreams. But he has interactions with this one female all the time in his dreams. And he has told me some crazy stuff, you know, and that she would always, once they start talking, she'd always turn into a human form to make Peyton more relaxed. And that she would tell him some crazy stuff, but he would see some crazy stuff. He still today has, he don't even live here anymore. Right. And so do you think this could, so this is specifically to dreams or could there be some telepathy happening as well? What do you think? That's, well, when they, when they, mine spoke to me, I thought it was a dream when they said the word wiggle and I woke up thinking somebody, somebody in my room said some male in my room said, wake up with a deep voice. But as I laid there and realized I was asleep when it happened, you know, I thought I dreamt it, but for the whole week, or it seemed like a week, maybe my, my, my, my, might not have been a whole week, but all day long for the next two or three days, I kept saying, wager, what is wager? What does it mean? They didn't say wake up. I'm pretty sure it said wager. Then I go out on my deck and I hear that one female down in the creek go, wager, real loud, just screamed it, wager. And I'm like, oh, that's when all my hair stood up and said, it wasn't a dream. And I've heard about mine spoke, mine speak, but that was the only time at that time it ever happened. And either it was mine speak or they were in my dream and did it because they flashed a picture of the one that I seen the day prior that speaking to me. It flashed that image first in my, my right ear kind of made a clicking noise and hummed. Then I heard wiggle, just a real beat voice wiggle. And then the second day after it said, waggle them down in the creek, I had a friend over, she was on the deck and I was in there getting a glass of tea and I had walked out and just set the glass of tea on the, on my table there. And then that same female went, wager, just like that. And she yelled it and she goes, who is that? I said, that's the people in the woods. That's the hairy ones out there. And she went, and so I had a witness, you know, that, that heard that. So it was like they were confirming to me that they really did say that to me, either in a dream or a mine speak. I think it was mine speed because my ear clicked on, made a humming noise. That's happened more than once. Once I was sitting on the couch, watching TV and my left ear had made this clicking noise and started humming. And then I heard what sounded like somebody walking through leaves and brush, just walking through the leaves and brush. And I was just listening and said, that's them. And they're going to say something. And after about three or four seconds of me hearing this, I said, Hey, I could hear you instantly. It clicked off just like, oh, they called the wrong number. You know what I mean? They tapped into me by accident and they instantly clicked off. But Payton's, he says, he doesn't hear the humming. He said, it's like a real vivid dream. He said, he could tell when the ones are them doing it. He's just dreaming because when they did, he said, it's so real. He said, one time the female was talking to him in the office, like, you got to go up Payton's hallway, turn left and there's a breezeway there. It goes in front of my room and then it goes to another little breezeway. You turn right and go up the stairs into the office. Payton said she was standing in the office doorway as he walked up to her because she motioned to him to come over to her. And because he thought he heard me holler in his name and he walked up to where, you know, breezeway, he turns left out the hallway going to the breezeway in front of my room. He said, that's when he's seen her hand, like waving him over there and he walked over there to her and she was talking to him and he asked her, that's when she changed to a human form and they sat down, she sat down the steps, both sat there together and was talking to each other and Payton asked him if there's anything he could do for him or if there's anything she needs. She was, well, I need help. She said, they won't help me and I'm trying to get them to help. And Payton said, what do you need help with? She said, they were leaving and they won't help her get things ready to leave. And he said that, but he said it was so vivid and so real. And another time she was there, there were three other, or two other ones in the, in the office, one in each corner. She was standing in the doorway holding a baby and after he asked if he could hold the baby, she kind of nodded her head. Yes. He reached out and she hand the baby into his hands. He said, that it felt so real. It felt warm. He said it wasn't fur, it was hair. It's like human hair. He said he was just holding it and looking at it. Oh, it's cute. And he handed that tear in the one in each corner opposite side of the rooms, opposite corners. He said, they just kind of blended into the corners and disappeared. And she sat there and she turned into human form again and started talking to it again. And then I, you know, this one time my security camera, it woke me up in the middle of the night. Her just real loud noise in the office. I mean, it was horrible. Okay. Let me start before this happened. It was the night before this happened. I was talking to the BFR old guy and I was telling him, yeah, they don't really do much out here anymore. This new plan doesn't do anything. You know, the old plan used to always interact and this new plan doesn't do nothing. And I said, I wish they would interact with me and stuff. Well, later that night, right, I can't remember what time it was. I'd have to go back and look, but I heard this noise woke me up. It sounded like something got mocked over, like my kitchen island or something got mocked over into the floor. And I laid there and I was like, wow. So I listened to my camera and sure enough, it sounded like something got thrown or some heavy got pushed into the wall or something. So I said, well, I'm not getting up and checking this out this time. I'm going to wait till the morning. And I got up that morning, I go in there and in my office, when you go up the steps there to the left is a closet and it's got, they got these two wooden folding doors. Like you grab the knobs and you slide them sideways and the doors open up and fold together like one on the left, one on the right. They have been shut that one on had been shoved open so hard on the right. And these doors open and close really easily. You know, never had an issue with them. The right one was slammed so hard to the right. It was opened up as far as I've never opened it had to open it that far. The other one was laying on the floor or it looked like where they tried to open it, but I had where I had a painting business. I had a couple of five gallon buckets of paint in there and they couldn't open it. So I guess instead of it opening, it got knocked off the tracks and was laying on the floor. So I think they were saying, oh, you don't get no activity. You know, here, we'll give you some activity and they just shut those doors open real hard. So hard that knocked one completely off the track. Well, that is incredibly intense. So you mentioned that one time where you had the pebble thrown at you within the last year. Have there been any other times where there's been things that have been thrown at you or anything that makes you think like, oh, I could potentially be in danger here? No, no, I didn't even feel in danger then. It was like, it didn't hurt. It was just getting my attention. I think it's all it was. It was like, Hey, no, go away. I think it was just a play way telling me to go away without saying it. But I ignored it and kept on going, you know, but they've never, the only, well, let me take this back. But I got grunted at one time when I stepped too close and across the boundary line where they had the trees laying down, I stepped over them to go towards them. That's because I seen them and I got grunted at twice, you know, so I got the hint after the second grunt not to go in there. This camp out that I had in November, we had a quite a few research. I think the most I've ever had out here at one time, there might have been 12 of us not counting my son and his friends. And we had camp, I mean, there was campers out here, tents, you know, everything. This is the most we've ever had out here. And one night we were hearing cows and wood knocks. Some of the researchers never heard wood knocks before and they got to hear some of the loudest ones they've ever heard out here that night. And we meet Peyton and Elizabeth, I probably shouldn't say her name, I won't say her last name, but they were up by Leroy's camper and, you know, and there's woods on both sides of it, right? And she said she was feeling something up there and she kind of feel like something was there. So Peyton was up there standing with her and I kind of looked back and see them up there. So I decided to walk up here too. And she said, I'm kind of hearing noises like something's walking around, but I could sense that something's here. And so we're standing there and we start talking, you know, we start talking to whatever's there. And then we hear this low rumbling growl. I mean, it's like a low gump. It sounded like a lion, how a lion would growl, like it's low or a tiger or something, low deep growl. And Peyton was like, it's me on the left side, Elizabeth in the middle and Peyton on the right side of her. Peyton walks all the way around back behind her and stands back behind me. He was, what was it? Because that was, that was from right over there. And Elizabeth goes, Peyton, is that your stomach? He said, no, that wasn't my stomach. That come from over there by Leroy's camper. And it done it again, another growl, but it was a little bit shorter. It's the same kind of growling noise, but not as long. And we heard it. She goes, Peyton, you sure it's not your stomach? He goes, no, that's over there. I said, yeah, that's up by Leroy's. It was on the right side of Leroy's camper where his door was, but we couldn't see anything. But on the left side, me and Peyton noticed this big black object blocking a tree. It was, the tree was kind of lit up from the campfire down by the creek. But there was this big massive black object in front of us. And Peyton was like, you see, I was like, yeah, I'm looking right at it. And we were just sitting and looking at it. I was telling Elizabeth, I said, can you see, because I can't really see where you guys are talking, where you're talking about. And then Leroy starts walking up from the IBRO. He's the president from the IBRO. He starts walking up towards us. And one of the ladies shined a flashlight up that way at us so Leroy could see. So he wouldn't trip on anything. When she did that, whatever that big thing was left. Because when she turned the light off, we said, hey, you turn the light off, turn the light off. And she shut it off. And when we looked back, that big black mass object was gone, you can see the whole tree lit up. And then Leroy asked what was going on. We told him, now Leroy, he was, he was there. He slept in his tent on the backside of the, he brought his camper for some females to stay in. He decided to sleep in a tent on the back of his camper there. And he and Peyton, this guy named Martin, Martin does a YouTube channel a lot too, where he basically lives year round in the woods. You know, I don't know if you've heard of him. I can't remember his last name. But he was there. It was me, Peyton, Martin, sitting by the camper. And we heard him walking all around, you know, all around the leaves. My iPhone, I think it was a full moon too that night. You know, my iPhone takes really good pictures in the dark. It almost looks daylight. And I got this one picture of about four squatches over by Leroy's tent. One of them was looking in the window through the window of his tent down at Leroy while he was asleep there. And there was two sitting on the ground and another one kind of crawling towards the two sitting on the ground. And I was showing them, Martin, the pictures, it's amazing. You know, we couldn't see, it was too dark to see with our eyes, but the iPhone, man, when you use that to take pictures in the dark, it takes such good pictures, especially on a good, on a full moon. But I've got a lot of good pictures at night time with that iPhone. That's why I keep it because it takes such good pictures. Has anyone brought a really good thermal out to your property? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I actually have my own thermal, a FLIR. I took some good FLIR. I've got some good pictures of actually two or three pictures of one thermal. I got one sitting out there on 12 inches of snow just sitting on the ground. Has its right leg stretched out, his left leg kind of like a figure four, like to his right leg. And it's leaned up against the tree. It's put out some, it was red hot. I mean red hot, its face was white hot. So his face was the hottest part, but his, all his body was red. It was leaning up against, sitting up against the tree until the left side was leaned up against the tree. The tree was even hot where it was leaning up against it. And then back behind it, you see like where something hot had went through the snow, it came all the way around behind that one and down into the creek and then up where it's peeking up over the bank of the creek, it was all white hot. So that's a really good thermal of that one. Then I got another one, that stepped out the patio door and just took a picture of the creek where the bridge is. One down in the creek there, I think it was looking for frogs. It was a young one. You see its shoulders and its head down in the creek. But yeah, we went that November one when everybody was there. We walked back. This is the first time we've ever, or I've ever, went in the woods in the dark at being out here. We went especially knowing they were here. But me, Peyton and a couple others walked all the way back to the curve where the gifting stump is. And I took them a couple of stakes that we had made earlier and I had some banana nut bread and some gifts that we left. And as we were coming back, I had Leroy's thermal. Peyton was using mine, but Peyton was basically using mine so he could see. But I had Leroy's thermal and I was kind of scanning the woods. And I got the head of one back in the woods about 30 feet away. He was just looking up over a log. But that was on the Leroy's thermal and I took a picture of it with this thermal. But yeah, it's thermals. They seem to be, they can't tell if you're using or not. Now, if you use night vision, somehow if you're using the infrared, they know. But on thermals, I don't think they can see you using the thermal. So if I, yeah, if you ever go, if you ever go doing investigations or something, you're out somewhere at nighttime, use a thermal. Cause like I said, I don't think they can see any kind of light or anything coming from it. But not like an infrared. When I was in the army, if you had on night vision, your night vision goggles and you're looking at someone else and they have their IR light on, they stand out like a sore thumb. I mean, they just glow, the whole light around them glows. So I'm wondering if that's what they see when they see the IR light, that they could see the light or somebody's smoking a cigarette. They just light up, you know what I mean? They're just so bright. My iPhone 15 is what I used to take really good night. There's now I got the 17 Pro Max and it does just as good. Like for some reason at nighttime and it, especially on a full moon, it just takes such good pictures. Like the one that I seen when I pulled in my driveway, it was completely dark out. I had one little porch light on, but I could, I could see back here from my headlights. Kind of, I didn't see real good, but I knew they were there. I could see the one back here. See, I had a little bit of light fur on him. And that's when I took the picture and the big guy was sitting there eating apples and the little Yoda was there on the other side of the log. I think I got that on my group as well, that picture. But yeah, the iPhone man, it takes awesome pictures in the dark. Oh, it really does. Brian, I just want to say thank you for sharing what you and others have been experiencing since the last time that we talked last year and some really, really fascinating stuff. It'll be interesting to see where this goes in the future. I'm sure stuff will continue to happen. I know we probably weren't able to get through everything, but I think we were able to chat about some really, really intense stuff that you're experiencing on that property. Yeah, no, actually, we got through my whole list. Awesome. That's great. That's great. There's just so much that happened that I could only do with shoes. I don't want to take up your whole time, but basically it's just sitting on every day. I don't want to say it's not special, but you got to get used to it when you see them daily. So I got to just wave and do what I'm doing. I'll wave at them and go on to what I'm doing. I think you're approaching it in a good way where it is really a true habituation type scenario where there's respect there. You're not messing with them. Really, it comes down to treating them with respect. But thank you so much for coming on the show. And would you mind reminding people again how they would be able to keep up to date with what's going on in the property and to be able to see photos and videos and all that good stuff? Yeah, if they just go on Facebook and there's a group that I called Bao Bigfoot, it's Bao Bigfoot. It's open to the public. You can just join. I don't even have questions on there. I just ask everybody to be respectful and not be judgmental. I get a lot of people laughing at me a lot, but I'm used to it now. But if we get new members on there, they're sharing their story for the first time. I don't want people laughing at them or anything. That'll get you banned off of there. But yeah, and I also want to say if you are having experiences with Sasquatch, the respect means a lot. They do not like their pictures taken. I know that first hand. I think I might have ran that first hand off by taking so many pictures at home. And now I don't take nearly as many. I could be taken hundreds a day, but one or two a week, maybe if that, because I just try to show them more respect. And you don't have to go looking for them in the woods. If you know they're in the area, all you got to do is just sit out and have a campfire. They will come to you if they want to interact. They will come to you. The worst thing you want to do is go walk in the one of them's bedroom. You don't want to do that. That's disrespectful. Of course, you don't know you're doing it because you don't know what's a bedroom. But if you just want to go to a camp site where you know where there's been activity, sit there and have a campfire. Make place in the area. If you've got kids with you, kids play, let them play. The kids attract them and they'll come in and interact with you if they want to. Good advice, Brian. Thank you so much for coming on the show again. And definitely I'll be watching I'll be watching the group. I'm in there and seeing what happens next. But thank you so much for hanging out today. All right. Thanks for inviting me again. Have you ever heard all the accounts of Bigfoot activity around Oak Ridge, Oregon? And you think to yourself, man, I would love to get out in those woods and experience it for myself. Well, guess what? This year you can. If this is interesting to you, stay tuned because it's pretty cool. Sasquatch Summer Fest is coming up July 10th through the 11th, 2026. It's going to be even better than the previous years. Reason number one, I'll be one of the speakers. It's going to be wild. I'll probably, I'll say this, there may be stuff you haven't heard anywhere else because let's just say sometimes it's, well, you just got to be there. We'll leave it that. More about looking for Bigfoot in the Oak Ridge woods. Now check this out. You may know Jason Kenzie from his documentary series, Searching for Sasquatch. Well, this year you can not only go to the festival, but you can also sign up for a track deep in the wild forest outside of Oak Ridge with Jason Kenzie to the Bigfoot spots, to look for Bigfoot. There's only eight spots to sign up for this. And yes, this will also be filmed for the next chapter in his documentary series, which is Searching for Sasquatch. This is a once in a lifetime deal. It's just, trust me, it's going to be a wild, wild experience. To get a ticket head on over to Sasquatchsummerfest.com and listeners can use the code BSP, like Bigfoot Society podcast, in order to get a two day pass for the price of a one day pass. So thanks to Priscilla for giving me that code so that you guys can get a little, a little help with the cost there. Appreciate that Priscilla. I hope to see you at the booth in Oak Ridge this year. We can talk about your encounter. I was able to talk to so many people last year and the year before. It is an incredible time. You're not going to want to miss it and I'll see you there. Before we wrap this episode, I want to say something directly to a very specific group of listeners. 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