Claire Foy

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Queen Elizabeth, obviously, in The Crown. perfect she played such an interesting bit it was a really good i think yeah where she falls in love with prince she's so beautiful she played andrew scott's mother in all of us strangers which was heartbreaking and she was amazing amazing i mean she's been in so many things yeah but most recently she is in h's for hawk which was yeah is an adapted memoir which is about grief really and this woman an academic who gets a gos hawk if somebody said they had a gos hawk I wouldn't know what they were talking about now I would but when he came out when they had the little helmet on I thought that's how their heads were I didn't realize she had a helmet the helmet's quite fat yeah it's strange isn't it it's supposed to cover their eyes anyway I now know loads about hawks and I'm quite amazed that Claire Foy's co-star was a hawk yeah and she acted well with Mabel she was bloody good with the hawk amazing yeah so because Claire was coming in the afternoon I'm sure she's been doing press all day yeah it's a funny time for food it is so you've decided to do an afternoon tea an afternoon tea fit for a queen so I've done little mini quiches yeah I've done coronation chicken sandwiches do you think she's so sick of everyone being like, got an Asian chicken? Well, she doesn't have to eat them. Okay, fine. I've also done mini trifles, because everyone loves a trifle. And I've made madeleines, which have nothing to do with the Queen at all. What about Lily Allen? Oh, well, I didn't think about her when I was making madeleines, darling. So I've made madeleines because my fabulous chiropractor said he makes them all the time. Yeah, as he was concentrating on my bottom, He said he makes them all the time and he's mad about them and they're so delicious. So I thought I'll have a go at doing those. And they come in a nice shape. Did you have madeleine? No, I bought the madeleine moulds. Okay, amazing. Well, we'll be having madeleines for... A lot of madeleines we'll be having. Lovely. And then from what I heard, the Queen Mother and the Queen used to share this with her. They used to have, the late afternoon, after tea I should imagine, a Dubonet and Gin. What is Dubonnet? Dubonnet is a vermouth. It's a red vermouth. So it's a bit like a martini. It's a bit like a martini because it's a vermouth, isn't it? Oh, yeah. Anyway, we're going to see if she fancies one of those. But I've also got on ice, in the fridge, some Cosmos. Because like myself, she's a Cosmocon. How did you find that out in the research? I don't know. Probably reading about what she likes. So, yeah, we're really excited to have Claire Foy coming on Table Manners and having afternoon tea with us. It's Claire Foy coming up. Claire Foy, welcome. Thank you. It's a pleasure to meet you. And you. Mum has something to say. What do you have to say? Well, I wanted to know whether you wanted a cup of tea. Oh, right. Yeah. Or a Cosmo, because I know you like a Cosmo, don't you? Oh, my God, it's been a really long time. I can't get hammered. I have to go on television. If we fill your tummy, then you can have a Cosmo. I don't know. I don't really drink anymore. Oh, okay. No, no, but I don't drink as I used to. Oh. Which for me is really disappointing. Well, then the worry is that I'll just get smashed and then let it all come out. I don't hardly drink at all, unlike her mother. Well, maybe I can just nurse it. So, hold on a sec. The other thing on offer. Oh, right. Obviously a cup of tea But I was very excited Because I read that the Queen Mother And the Queen used to partake Of a kind of late afternoon A Dubonnet and gin Did you do that on the crowd? She doesn't do that I heard she wasn't much of a I think they were on the source But the Queen was not much of a drinker I think she used to share it with her mum They probably watched Countdown together and drag Cheap Bonnet and gin. So I did get Cheap Bonnet and gin. Did you? Is that the blue spherical? No, it's the, that's, it's a red bottle. Oh, I always thought it was a red balloon. Maybe we'll just like, so we can have an opinion on it, I'll have a sip of it. But Claire did retch when you said that. No. She's not, not my friend. Okay. So you could just have a cup of tea if you want, babe. I did bring my own tea bag. Oh my God. No, I've known Gallagher. Why? Did Noel Gallagher bring us own tea bag? Yeah, Yorkshire tea by any chance. No, no, no. I don't have caffeine anymore either so I have TikTok Oh you better give me one of those I'm not going to push a cocktail on you if you're a Roybush gal I think maybe we don't want to know Give her a can to take home Can I have it and I can just sip it and you won't be mortally offended if I don't drink the whole thing I'll finish it after Perfect, let's share a cocktail When did you stop drinking caffeine? Quite a few years ago I had parasites It's gross. Shouldn't breathe. No, I love this. Did you do this from like a blood test or like a stool test? Yeah, the gross stuff. Because you were having issues with your tummy? I kept losing weight and I didn't know what was going on. Mate, I don't want to keep that fucking parasite. But also like no matter how, I was just like, I'm eating everything. I was so hungry. Where do you think you got it from? Morocco. Yeah. And I'd had it quite a long time. How many years did you have it? At least five. yeah i may travel as a pair i got told by the doctor gross absolutely rank it's disgusting anyway so that's why i gave up caffeine because i had to give up i basically had to go on this diet and take all these like non like because i didn't want to take like really hardcore antibiotics and stuff like that for it so i took all this little gross stuff and part of that was giving up caffeine and i was like once you've given it up it's such a mission to give it up that i was like maybe i'll just give it a go of not yeah the headaches are so bad yeah you give it up aren't they yeah i mean and i was a real kind of like i drank at least 15 cups of tea a day and then like i had my two coffees that i had yeah staged thank you oh god very pleasing okay just think of them there together yeah i know it's like what's it i feel like the queen mother and you can be... Yeah. It smells like a shit mix. Do you remember when you do that when you're younger and you just pour anything in? Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. L'chaim. Is it? Shabbat shalom. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Right, hang on. Oh, wow, darling. Oh, I'm really happy with my choice. Okay. That is like what me and Zoe Pilger used to make when we were like trying to sneak things out of the drinks cabinet. Well, it's what the queen made, darling. Wow, she was a wild woman. Wow. Woo! What are you going to do with the rest of that Dubonnet? Drink it. You'll get through it, don't worry. It's fine. No, it's quite bitter. So, congratulations on the film. Wow. Thank you. How's it feeling? I mean, I've had some time to get used to it now. When at first people started first watching, I felt very, very, very strange about it. Is that how you feel every time that you... Really? And I've always been slightly... other actors who go I really struggle to let go of things I always was a bit like I don't like I'm fine like when I finish a job I'm sort of quite I'm always just quite sort of glad that it's over um but with and I was glad this one was over but I was I just it felt really really like close it felt a bit I was you know a bit raw and it was very intense to make amazing to make but um yeah it felt like a bit of a strange thing for people to watch it was like people having cameras in my house felt like it felt very intimate you have to say because it's such a study of someone's grief and and sadness and depression really yeah and i don't really feel like like it was quite a lonely thing to make because i'm sure it was me and the hawk yeah some hawks does the hawk where is mabel now there are five of them so she's all like she's scattered across the country that must It's been really hard because the whole premise of the relationship with the hawk is that you have to get to know each other. The hawk has to trust you. You had to do these whole kind of, obviously, these were like pro hawks that are like acting hawks, whatever. I don't know. No. Well, I mean, they are kept, so Rose and Lloyd Buck, who are the sort of trainers, but sort of basically the hawk gurus, they have many birds. Two of them are eagles. They've got swans. and they have only ever really shot like David Attenborough and Natural History before. They don't do like long form kind of film like this. They would have like a, you know, like a raven that would be in something. And so they've got all these incredible birds, but the Gozhawks are notoriously like really difficult to train and just like, no, I'm not filming today, sorry. Like the biggest diva on set was the Gozhawk. Yeah, I suppose diva, but, you know, They wore it very, very loosely, not demanding, just very in their own. They're just like, no, it's not happy. And the whole issue is that they don't connect. They don't show affection. They're not responsive. I suppose not in like a conventional dog horse, you know, pet way. Do you think any bird? I suppose budgies do. Or budgies parrots. Yeah, they do connect. But the whole thing about the horse was the lack of connection. and you need to connect because of the connection with your dad. Yeah, I think so. And Helen speaks about in the memoir about wanting to be more like Mabel, like wanting to sort of... Mabel's the hawk. Mabel's the hawk, sorry. Yeah, Mabel's the god's hawk. And wanting to kind of, because the pain of losing someone is so overwhelming and massive, like massive, that they wanted to kind of be like this bird of prey that seemed to have no, you know, didn't feel these emotions and was able to kind of like absent themselves and be disconnected and that that was easier than being a human being, which it is. But that didn't really work because Helen fell in love with Mabel and Mabel fell in love with Helen. It's really tender and it's a quiet film. It's kind of grand in many ways with the landscapes and that amazing shot of Mabel catching the rabbit. Yeah. Like all of it and the ideas are big. It's actually a lot of the shots are you sitting with Mabel in, well, Helen sitting with Mabel in the flat and the house and it's quiet. It's very quiet. And I wonder how working with a hawk, which isn't an actor, how challenging that was for you. Was it the weirdest form of improvisation ever? Yeah, well, I suppose it's like a really distilled version of improvisation. I suppose it doesn't really change, does it? I mean acting is about I mean for me anyway is always about that other actor like basically I whatever they're doing I'm interested in what they're doing and watching and listening what they're doing and therefore that helps me not think be self-conscious basically and it's you're always invested in what the other person is trying to do and you trying to find out why they trying to do what they doing and all that sort of stuff so it wasn really any different for me for my approach to acting It didn feel any different It just felt really really like it was on speed because you were with a wild, wild creature. And whilst also having to be open to the idea of where the hell the scene was going to go, also know as the only actor in the room that I had to make it go somewhere for me and also for Mabel. Like I had to make sure that she wasn't doing something that would be inappropriate, you know, I mean, I had to be in control of lots of myself and the bird as well at the same time, which was bizarre because normally you can be, you know, you can be surprised by the other actor, but you both know that you're trying to get to the same goal. A lot of the time Mabel was like, no, I'm not. I'm not going where you're going. So was it quite a lot of reshoots? No, no, no. So we actually did less takes. We just did longer takes. So the first kind of like, there's a scene in it, one of the first Manning scene where I sort of take off Mabel's hood. Yeah. We just did that in one take and it's one long kind of sequence of events from when I take her hood off and all that reaction is reacting to me. Were you frightened? No, I was never frightened. I mean, I was frightened before we started shooting because I didn't know what to do. And I knew I had to build up such a level of skill in such a short space of time to make the film even possible. You weren't frightened she was going to attack you? No, because they don't want to attack you. You're going to do it with a bad head. I know. But that's very specific, something that happened, which was that Mabel was like, don't take that, as in like, give it back. Which is sort of like, I think, and I suppose maybe it's just because I see it from Helen's perspective, that I find that to be quite an understandable thing. That's my mistake as the human being, as the falconer, who went, let me take that. And you know you're never supposed to do that. You have to offer them something to be able to get the food. Is there someone in this country that makes helmets for goshawks? Well, they're really fast. They really are, aren't they? I've got a couple. Next Halloween is going to be. I am a boz hawk. But there's something, yeah, there are. There's websites, lovely things you can get. They're like slightly S&M as well. Yeah, it's all quite sort of dominatrix. It's sex suit. Yeah, sex dungeon-y kind of vibe. Yeah, there's something great about it. Well, there is, isn't there, anyway, about the whole, it's very medieval, the whole process. Yeah, it is. But yeah, they still, you know, Roaring Trade and someone who sells all the chicks that they eat. yeah that was a chick I thought it was like a cuddly toy no it was a fucking chick yeah well it was awful when you had to give the lecture and then they attack you for yeah allowing things to be killed I know but it's sort of it's like you have to let that concept in you couldn't really make the film without acknowledging that that is an animal rights issue you're kind of a voyeur to some yeah like you've got to have that conversation and Helen's never afraid to have that conversation And I think a lot of falconers aren't afraid to have that chat and be like, yeah, interesting. OK, how so? But obviously at that point in the film, I'm not really able to have a kind of logical conversation, really. I presume the book got options straight away for a film, no doubt. Yeah. So has it been quite a long time in the making of making this film? Have you been involved for a while? Not really. I think other people got the option. Like, I think it was like in the nitty gritty of the business of it. I think someone got the option when it came out, maybe. And then what ends up happening, I think, is that people hold on to them and it never happens. Right, okay. But Dee Dee Gardner, who produced the film, she came to me with it when we'd done a film together called Women Talking. Which was incredible. Oh, thanks. I like that one. It was unbelievable. Yeah, I think it's a brilliant film. And like, you know, oh, the cast and every... I know, ludicrous. You actually got to act with, you know, humans in that one. Yes, I did. Well, no, hold on. Denise Gough also. Shout out to you. Oh, my God. Fantastic. Brilliant. And also, Brendan, like, I mean, it's an amazing cast in Hs4Hort. It is. Which is always surprising. Whenever, like, I'm, when I'm the first person attached, I'm just always presuming everyone's going to be like, no, no. Like, I just, I'm so surprised. No. Like, I just, I just presume. You're like. You're like. She's a queen, Jessie. I'm a queen. Yeah. Absolutely queen. No, but I just presume. You know, it's like that thing about who wants to go to their own party. Like, you know, like a party that you're invited to, no one wants to go to it. She's like, why am I invited? But I sort of feel like that. And so when Brendan said he would do it, I was like, oh, my God, why? And then Denise, I just was, and then Lindsay Duncan, I was just a bit like surprised, basically. Are they all your best friends now? Not my best friends. Fran's not my best friends. Yeah, well, we have a connection. that I just like blurted at you as you were taking your shoes off. A childhood friend who I grew up roaming these club and streets, Frances Macy O'Neill, you went to uni with. I did, yeah. And we knew of you. And I think actually Fran was very much, I remember when you promised, which was one of your kind of thing. Oh, yes, I love that one. Yeah, fabulous. And I think we were all talking about it being frown. We were real proud of you because you were family's fave. Thrilled. Oh, well no, because Fran was the first person that I met on the first day of university. We lived in the same like weird sort of house and she was the first person I met and I fell madly in love with her. And then that was it. Yeah. Three whole years. Can you put some food on the table? Okay, cool. That's exciting. So what did you have for breakfast today, Claire? Oh God. Actually, today was a random. I fried an egg and I put it on some toast and I ate it. Why is that random? I don't normally do that. So normally, normally I would have like, so I planned on doing exercise this morning and I attempted to and I drove and then I drove past where I was supposed to be doing the exercise. What were you supposed to be doing? You know, strength training, Pilates. So you had a date with a personal trainer? No, no, no. You were just doing it yourself? Oh, a class? Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah. But I just, I just sort of kept driving after I dropped my daughter at school. Didn't fancy it. I just was very tired. I did a lot of yakety yak yesterday and I just was like, I think I just need to sit. in the house on my home. And did you have a nice morning then? It was a nice morning. I had a bath. I had my egg on toast. I love having a naughty bath in the day when it feels like it's not supposed to be happening. And the boiler's not supposed to be on, but it is. Oh, I loved that for you. Did you watch anything in the tub? No. What did I do? Well, I washed my hair, you see, so that takes a lot of effort. Okay. I was looking great. Thank you. I mean, I didn't do it myself. Because it would not if I did. It was really clean. Really squeaky, squeaky. Really clean. But yeah, normally I would do, so if I was doing exercise, I'd do like a protein sort of smoothie situation. Do you actually enjoy them? Or is it more? I do enjoy the one that I make. I mean, oh God, avocado. A pear. Random. I don't do, so this is my big secret. I feel like I'm in the traders or something and I'm letting everyone know that I'm related to someone. So I don't actually eat gluten or sugar. But listen to me. No, but listen to me. Except when I go out for dinner. Oh, okay. Okay. so this is a really don't worry everybody okay fine so you're just kind of quite strict when you're not I'm very strict but I love falling off the wagon when I'm out for dinner are you going to come up in a rash on the one no no no I'm not allergic okay fine oh my god and that's so much fucking sugar in everything that's amazing oh my god they look great you're really about to fall off shut up Are you so excited? That's the stick of like the queen stuff. No, I mean, well, I wouldn't associate this with her really. We did. Very good, very good. Well done, everyone. Very good. Is that a trifle? Yeah, a mini trifle. I just thought you might fancy it. My granddad loved a trifle. I love a trifle too. I mean, aren't they just? Yeah. The custard, the cream. I know, everything. So you were talking about your smoothie. Yes. Before we brought all the gluten and the sugar onto the stage. Yeah. And you just told us you don't eat gluten and sugar. Yeah. But you seem okay about it. I'm thrilled, yeah. Okay. Because I don't, the majority of my, except Christmas, that's sort of non-negotiable. And like, you know. And podcasts. And podcasts. Yeah. It's Christmas and podcasts. Especially this podcast. Yeah. Or like if you go to a really nice restaurant and they have the bread. Yeah. You're going to do that. Like Jay Shiki's or something like that. Then I eat that bread a lot. Okay. But then it doesn't have an impact on me. It's just because I have an autoimmune condition. So I should avoid anything which causes more inflammation. Okay, well, eat up, enjoy. So there's a little asparagus quiche and they're just ones with like... Have you made these, Mum? Yeah. They look really cute. Do they? Thanks, Mum. I'm going in. Jessie, please go in. That's got bacon in. So let's like talk about family. You just mentioned your grandfather loved a trifle. Loved a trifle. Who was around your dinner table when you were growing up and what was a very memorable dish? So around the dining table would be me, my brother, my sister and my mum. And my mum was looking after three children on her own and is a very, very good cook. And she would, her spag bol is legendary. Why is it so legendary? I've got no idea. And she can recreate it in any country because I've taken her with me many places now. Because she helps me look after my daughter when I'm working. And she literally has made it in Berlin. She's made it in Atlanta. and it's always the same. It doesn't matter what tomato she's using. She puts flour in it and she browns the mints separately to putting the tomatoes in and stuff for a very long time, which I don't have the patience for. So I think that's probably it. But none of us can do it. None of us can get it right. So it will die with her. I've tried. And my daughter loves it. It's just very, yeah, she's great. It's really great. I saw something on Instagram yesterday about how apparently if you have three children, you are the most stressed version of a mother. You may as well round up to four and you'll be less stressed. See? Apparently three is chaotic. How many did you have? Three. How was it? It was fine. It was chaotic. Was it? Yeah. I'm receiving an hour. It was chaotic. We were the party house. Anyway, so your mum's bag bowl, legendary. Yes. Still is. Do you like these, by the way? I love coronation chicken. Did you have to eat a lot when you were promoting being Queen Elizabeth? No, I didn't eat any. Oh. Little finger sandwiches. You looked so glamorous as the Queen. I never thought of her as glamorous as you made her look. You made her look wonderful. I certainly didn't feel glamorous. But I think you glowed with the love she had for Philip. Did you? Yeah, I do. Wow. You're a beauty. I'm more than I knew. And Anne Boleyn. You've done all the Queen's. I went to see Six, the musical at the weekend. Oh, we went really fun. I've never seen it. How old's your daughter? She's seen it. She's about to be 11. Oh, okay. She loves it. Absolutely loves it. What a great idea for a musical. It's really fab. Genius. We've got the soundtrack. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Beheaded. Die. I mean, in my dream life, I would be Anne Boleyn in that musical. She was fab. She was fab. Can you sing? Mm-mm. No, not at all. Have you tried to learn funny roles? Well, I mean, I went to drama school for a whole year. and they tried really hard. And I just kept giving, get the singy, like the speak singy songs. Yeah. So I got Whiskey Bar by the Doors. I think the Bertolt Brecht, like the, I'll show us. Anyway, no, don't make me. Well, you're probably could be in Hamilton. What, the rapping? They're very good singers. You see, you have to be really good singers to do that. But they do, some of it is kind of like speaky singy. It is, but there is tombra. Yeah, you have to really be in control of it. And I just, I'm not, I'm all over the show and it's a disaster. Well, the quiches are great. The quiches are great. I'm doing it for a month. Asparagus. Asparagus. Yeah. Delish. Coronation chicken is amazing. Good. And that's not out of the packet. You have made that. No, I made it. Wow. I poached the chicken last night. You. Yeah. And made the trifles. Yeah. Just, I always like people to know how hard it's, but no, I don't. I think you should. When you've cooked for people, you've made it. Just add that you were at a funeral as well. No, we went to a funeral yesterday in Manchester. So we got back and I felt... No, it's a pleasure. It's a pleasure. Yeah, it was a pleasure. And I watched your film as well. Oh, Jesus. That was like a big day of grief. It was a big day of grief. It was weird watching the film, having been to a funeral of someone that we were very fond of. Well, it was a cousin, but she was female. but it was kind of it was yeah it was touching watching H4Hawk because of your grief really I mean I find funerals I mean silly thing to say I find funerals very hard I don't know, why is it strange? I just, I find them, you know, because I've been to quite a few of them and I've been to ones of people very close to me and then I've been to ones of, you know, when you're in a supportive role, I suppose. Yeah. And I've just, me and my sister are absolutely horrendous. We can't keep it together. and I just find them... We were weepy, weren't we? No, but it's funny you say the thing, we can't keep it together. Me and my friend Frankie, we were at a friend's funeral in the summer and she said, oh good, you're going to cry just as much as me, thank God. Because she was so aware that she was going to be a weeper. Yeah. And uncontrolled. Do you know what I mean? Some people can be more stoic or brave or whatever. I don't know. Good on her. No, it comes down. Yeah. It's uncontrollable. And I think, yeah, and really hard to, like, when I did the eulogy, and I've done a eulogy before, and doing the eulogy at, you know, Brendan's funeral in the film was so, it was so real. It was like, because the whole, you know, all the guests, the congregation were all there, all the essays were there. And so it just, it was just so, and I had to stand up. I was sitting in between my brother and my mum, Lindsay Duncan and Josh, and I was sitting there about to go up in that moment when you know you've got to stand, you're like, oh, God, it's happening, it's happening, it's happening. Heartbeats. Yeah, yeah, it was all, yeah. The last thing I saw Brendan Leeson with was the Banshees. Oh, it was amazing. Yeah. He's so good. He's really good. It was really beautiful, your scenes together. It was so, they were glorious scenes together. Oh, I just, I already loved him, and he just wasn't let down even remotely. He was even better than you could possibly imagine, which is nuts, really. These look like enormous mini trifles. They're not very mini, are they? No, they're not, but I'm enjoying it all. I'm going to have another sandwich, Mum. I'm actually quite hungry, I've realised. All right. If we were coming around to yours, oh, God, yeah, what are you cooking for us? I mean, I dread it. What's your showstopper? I don't have a showstopper. I find cooking for people who come round, I find I'm very self-conscious. I mean, my best, best mates, I'd make like a lasagna or a roast chicken. Or one year for New Year's, I made like a big massive pasta. Because one of my best friends is vegan, so you can do multiple different things. But none of it's like, here's my thing, guys. None of it's a showstopper at all. and I would much rather like order sushi and go, there you go, I'm paying no effort, sorry. Because then I wouldn't be judged. I get being judged about what I... Do you order in? I cook at home, like I cook at home. If I'm not like entertaining, I'm cooking. But I just don't like being judged by it. I don't know why. It's a bit weird. Like, it's funny because you do a job that I guess kind of do kind of judge performances, don't they? Do you find that part of it quite difficult or not? No. Okay, fine. everyone's entitled to that but like I'm not really bothered um and I think that I also have like this weird thing where once it's done it's done like I don't it's almost like it's not me anymore I'm not really attached to it I don't kind of yeah it's bizarre um but cooking but cooking for some reason yeah I would yeah with my family and my my best mates I wouldn't be I'd just be like here I'm nurturing you eat it yeah but yeah if it was you know if I'm entertaining I would be like, oh, good God. Do you entertain a lot though? And just ordering, because you know, like, that's so fine. Is it? Yeah. I do. I'd like to do it more. I think that given my job, I spend a lot of time with people all day, every day. Yeah. And so home is quite like, I'm like, oh, yeah, sacred. I've always got people around, but I suppose, yeah, I'm not much of a sort of, I don't know. that's my new year's resolution is to do it at least once a month i'm gonna join you on the cosmo and mum do you want one no thanks do you want that no thanks i think i'm all right really would you like a trifle now i can have one or the other you can have a madeleine or i think i do go can i try both what happens if i don't eat them it doesn't matter okay i'm going in look at this what a combo that is a look at that is that good now they call that something On Bake Off they call that mound or something I don't know, the mound It's really important And when people, when they did that on Bake Off A lot of people didn't get the mound So there you go Wow, there you go First time luck Okay, I'm going to These look great though These are very light Oh my god, they're delicious They're just like little delicious sponges And you can put raspberries in the middle Can you? Once I did raspberries in the middle You can put lemon curd in the middle Oh my dear Are you a baker? I'm much more of a baker than I am a... How do you keep the lemon curd in the middle? You just smush it in. Okay. Mmm. You stink. Yeah. It bubbles out. Do you like them? It's delicious. Really, really great. Kids love them as well. They're just so... Mmm. I always get the... What are they? The Bon Mamon ones. Oh, yeah. And the little plastic. Yeah. Do you want to try for? Yeah. Go on. I want it all, Mum. Go on, then. Your next role is with Richard E. Grant. Yes. Well, not next. Yes, I have done. Magic Fireway Tree is my next one. Yes. And that's a Nenid Blyton book. It sure is. Yeah. Where's that coming out? Is it a film? March the 27th. Is it your voice or your actual person? My whole person, yeah. Okay. Yeah. It's not animated as such. Obviously, there's lots of CGI in it because they're making a magical tree. But I'm mum. I'm Polly in that. And then, yeah, I think it's now called Savage House. Yes. It was called something else when we shot it. And that is with Richard, yeah. Would you ever do, do you do producing? Do you produce anything? I mean, like most people probably did in my industry, in lockdown I opened a production company and it's done nothing and I'm actually, I spoke to my accountant and I'm going to shut it down. No, don't! Don't! Well, no, because I just don't. I've been involved in the early processes of things and it is really, really interesting and it's interesting to have your opinion kind of listened to, which obviously doesn't happen a lot as an actor, but it's not my vibe I'm just not I just I'm not I'm not a hustler in that way I'm not I find that I can sometimes be quite jaded about the industry in the sense that I really believe that something should really be worth being made and I and I think other people do it brilliantly and I just could never do it I could never be Margot Robbie that's just never gonna I just can't do that I have no ability to do it it's not in my remit didn't you do that at uni cinematography yeah No, I studied film, yeah. Okay. Yeah. But I was never going to be, I mean, I thought I wanted to be a cinematographer, but I had no photography experience, so that was never going to happen. Okay. How much experience can you have when you're 18? Do you know what I mean? Well, you know, you can know about how to open an aperture and all those sorts of things. Okay, yeah, fair enough. And I didn't know that. But also, I looked into applying and realised that this one particular course accepted like six people and all of them had always been men. So it was like a different world then. and I just didn't I didn't necessarily have this I didn't I suppose I didn't know anyone who did this so I didn't know what the jobs were really in a way I didn't know what the jobs were on a film set or a tv you know I didn't really know how to get into it so um yeah uni was really interesting but it definitely wasn't a producing producing such a like specific skill you have to really push that boulder up the hill even if people tell you no all the time do you do what was your last theatre? My last theatre? That you went, that she went to see? No, that she did. That I did was, oh my God, is it probably Lungs that I did in, that I did pre-lockdown 2019 and then we did a version of it during lockdown. Would you do more theatre? I mean, yeah, that's the dream really. I'm always like looking out for stuff and I struggle, I don't really want to do any sort of classical necessarily reincarnations of things, you know, I don't want to really do Medea or I don't want to do my version of something just because it's quite like the cooking I just I feel like you're just opening yourself I like to judgment I suppose in a way um and but I love new writing and because when I left drama school new writing was the bit like raw court and um so much so yeah so much emphasis was on it and I feel like it's sort of those some of those writers have just gone to tv you know to make a living and I just yeah so I'd love to do some new writing that would be the dream um last supper mm-hmm starter main hood drink of choice okay so i'm gonna have a pasta for starter okay oh which one your mum's bolognese well that would be big wouldn't it maybe i'm gonna do my mum's bolognese just a small portion i mean really i was gonna go for just like a really classic like tomato and basil but I just think pasta, I love it I wonder, can you eat spelt pasta? No But gluten free pasta is really great Has it got better? Oh my god, yeah I mean the garafalo their one's great it's like corn and rice and stuff so it's great but I wouldn't choose I tend to not choose to supplement do you know what I mean? I just don't have them yeah so it would be a pasta and there's no restrictions on my last meal because I'm going to die so I'm going to eat all you might be a reprieve yeah okay so pasta with some of the nice fancy bread that you get in restaurants with the really salty butter Jay Sheiky's I need to go to Jay Sheiky's because Brian Cranston no Brian Cranston was talking about you've never been never been oh my god oh let's go with Fran she'd love it and have a Delva soul okay yeah really nice okay so you're doing some nice bread Yeah. A pasta. Yeah. And then main... Oh, this is really hot, isn't it? No. My last meal. Really? No. A big Dover sole? No. No. Okay. Was that yours? I loved Dover sole, actually. And Brian Cranston reminded me how much I liked it. Now, I'd have probably Christmas dinner because it's one of my favourite. Yeah, I think I'd have a roast dinner. Yeah. Which meat? So I tend to always have beef because I never make it at home. Yeah, me too. So maybe beef? Yorkshire. Yes. Yeah. Lots of gravy. Can you make them? I can to vary. They always taste great. Yeah, but they... Ugly is sin. And also I just think like varying degrees. I never get the fat hot enough. What are we having for a drink? An entire bottle of red wine. Okay, which red wine are we doing? A really expensive one. Anything over 14%. My agent told me is the way to go. Basically anything over 13% is good. Or just the good age. Quick at getting drunk. No. That Chateau Hélène that I used to buy was 14%. That one that, like, Geronimo Lange said, God, she said it's so strong, it's 14%. I don't agree with a light-bodied red wine. I don't understand. However, unless it's been in the fridge. Both of us have just got into Pinot Noir. And I hate myself getting into it because I was like, Pinot Noir's like for pussies, right? Yeah, nobody's seeing. It doesn't sound like it is, though. It's got a big name. Are you more of a Barolo gal? Yeah, I'd say so. I like, I mean, who knew? but I like a New World wine. Which one? I like a Californian wine. Love it. Yeah. So an entire bottle of red wine and a margarita. Spicy or not, not a fuss. What is your pud? I find this very hard because I like anything sweet. You've talked about this before. Even though you don't have sugar. You've been really good at like... I know. Well, because now I've really trained myself. I'm like Bill Nye. Bill Nye. I loved his... We know. I was fab. I want to be on his WhatsApp group about not eating sugar. Oh, do you want me to get you in? I mean, I would, again, be intimidated, but yeah. Oh, he's delighted. Alice produces podcasts. Well, I've eaten sugar, so I probably can't. I probably can't be on the group now. Yeah, you're a fair weather. I had an issue with it as a kid. Like, I was absolutely, like, out of control. Did your mum not let you have sugar? No, she did. And in fact, my mum was a terrible one for buying Marks and Spencer's cream cakes, like eclairs and, like, shoe buns. It's just a real thing for sort of, you know, pastry. And so, no, it wasn't that there was a lack of it. I just fucking love the stuff. And I just on my mom. But now, if I have too much, I feel nuts. You know I don know if this is allowed because I guess it still sugar But there was this thing on TikTok Don judge me What i immediately judging you but you gonna try this i know you gonna try it okay greek yogurt yeah love greek yogurt yeah bit lotus viscoffs you know oh god also one of my granddad's absolute favorites let's talk about your granddad because you've bought him up twice i want to know but he loves people used to buy him And they're like, you know, Costco, like, family pack, massive things that you put in a shop. Is that the hairdressers? Yeah. You get them on the side of your coffee. You love them. Lotus, and you get them in the hairdressers in a little... Anyway, so that with Greek yoghurt. Yes, you put them in. Yeah. It's really satisfying. You just shove them into your Greek yoghurt. Yeah. Put it in the fridge. Apparently, it tastes like cheesecake. Oh, I bet it does. And like, kind of healthy. Oh, cheesecake's great. But apparently, everyone's going mad for it. So I've done an experiment. I'm going to try it later. I'll let you know how it goes. While you're watching Traitors. Yeah. Great. And scrolling the new recipe on TikTok. Yeah, sure. Working out what we're going to feed, you know. I don't know. Who will get on that tweet? Anyway. So that sounds like a delicious... Hold on. We didn't actually... No, we didn't get a pudding. It's because I can't decide. But I think it would be... You have a trio. I love... I mean, yes, I'll have a trio. I love a classic pudding, so I love like a jam roly-poly with custard. When I was at school, when I was at secondary school, I used to use my lunch money to buy a sausage roll from the tuck shop at break time and then just a pudding at lunchtime. I just used to eat just a pudding. So I'm not really, I don't care how awful it is. Like if it's like a school sponge, like chocolate sponge with no flavouring with like custard on top, I'm very happy. So maybe a jam roly-poly or I love fish rolls with ice cream or cream. Have you made your own fish rolls ever? No, I have not. I feel like you could. Yeah, I mean, I've done the pastry. Very easy. I've done the pastry. I'd like to do the filling. That would be satisfying. Yeah. But basically anything on any list of any. Love a creme brulee. I mean, I love them all. So maybe I could have one of those trolleys that is all the products. An old-fashioned trolley. Yeah, I used to love that. I would like that whole thing. And then I can just choose. Like in Jurassic Park at the end where they're eating the jelly. Oh, yes. Don't like jelly. Neither do I. There's no jelly in the trifle. No, I noticed. lovely lovely touch um so if we weren't going to jay sheiky's where else are you loving eating and well you've been you've filmed everywhere is there a very memorable meal from your travels there is a place in seville and i can't remember its name which is terrible but it's got a fish on the side and it's like a you do i hate tasting menus absolutely hate them with a passion only ever like tasting menus i've done i get very anxious and worried that i'm not going to eat and I don't, then I'm by, you know, course four, I'm full and then just feel terrible. And they're always really expensive. So I don't like tasting menus. But I went to this place in Seville and they have this tasting menu and it was all like kind of ceviche and all this beautiful seafood and a different glass of wine, like a mini glass of wine with each course. And that was incredible. I can't remember the name of it. Because you were drunk. That's helpful. Yeah, because I was drunk. But it was really great and it had stainless steel inside. It was just really, really great. But yeah, I've had so many. I just live, I plan my whole day by what I'm going to eat. I can't, yeah, I can't waste a meal. Do you know in the morning what you're going to eat in the evening? Not necessarily, no. Jessie knows what she's going to eat the day before. You're like my sister. My sister plans her shop. I know, you know what? I over order, actually. That's a problem me and my husband are trying to work on. Because he's just like, you bring, I was like, we've got a roast chicken, we've got a chicken supreme, We've got options. So what did you have for lunch? Well, I knew I was coming here. So you hadn't had lunch? Well, I had some cheese. Yeah, that's okay. And some crackers. Because I thought I was a happy medium. And a pear. Yeah, let's talk about this smoothie with the pear. You like a pear? Well, because I don't feel like it. I mean, it's a sweet fruit, but bananas have got too much sugar in them. Right. So normally, in my everyday life, I don't eat bananas. I tend to avoid apples. I only have, like, berries, basically, because they've got the least sugar in them. and pears, for some reason, I feel like are okay because they've got so many good benefits. They're good for your heart, you know. So I let pears through. Pears are good for your heart. They are. I didn't know that. My mum says that. My mum says that about everything. Everything, okay. I mean, she also gave you, like, cream pies and eclairs. I know. I love your mum. Your mum sounds great. Apples are supposed to reduce your blood pressure. I mean, anything that grows from a tree has got to be good for you. Antioxidants, isn't it? Speaking about nature, just to bring it back to the film a bit, You know, it's obviously, it is a kind of celebration and a respect for nature with the way that you watch the hawk kill. And there's these beautiful scenes of landscape. Like, did you, did you find a newfound appreciation or were you kind of already a bit of a kind of fan of? Yeah. And the natural, I mean, it feels like you know a bit, so. Well, no, I mean, I already was like, so I grew up in Manchester until I was about seven. and then I moved to Buckinghamshire, which is sort of countryside, but it's still sort of like commuter belty, I suppose. But so I went on lots of walks as a child. Did you enjoy them? I absolutely hated them. Well, they were always really long. Yeah. And yeah, my mum had this book and I'd just be terrified because she'd take a page out of this sort of AA guide to walks and be like, what are we doing today? 11 miles. Oh, wow. Yeah, like cruel. I hated them, but now I love her walk. Does your daughter love her walk? No. I mean, she does. She's very, very, like, she loves climbing a tree. She loves getting dirty. And she always loves it when she's on it and never wants to go home. But it's getting her out of the house. I know, I know that one. It's just a pain in the ass. So, yeah, I already had an appreciation, but not from the point of view of, like, birds of prey or anything like that. Where I grew up in Buckinghamshire, they reintroduced red kites. so there was like a real period of time where red kites were quite a big deal you know in the Aylesbury Vale area they're a bird prey and it's got a particular tail so when they introduce them what they're like got a huge Rothschild family reintroduced them because they weren't native to here anymore they were extinct and so they bought them back and then they bought them back where they're basically taking over all wildlife like the parakeets oh the parakeets are a nightmare but they apparently really are a nightmare yeah they are around here yeah they're taking over they're like killing off different birds We're never going to see a gosthawk in the sky in London, are we? Or anywhere else. Really? They're really, really, not reclusive, but they're really, really private. They don't, you'd have to go, you're lucky to see one in the wild. And obviously numbers are dwindling as well. Are they kind of ones that go in a pack, like, together? They're very solitary. So they're not going to say, lightly hat, the gosthawk. Lovely hat, where did you get it from? You're looking good. I haven't seen that colour before. Well, there was that moment in the film where I thought that the hawk had made a friend, but no, he was going to kill the bird. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I was like, oh, sweet, take a flight. Oh, little mates, let's have fun. I mean, because I'm so, don't know anything about nature or birds. So I was like, that's cute. Well, no, because the females often kill the males. Wonderful fact. But yeah, they sort of tend to mate and then they separate. and then obviously they bring up the young. But that doesn't happen very often, you know. It's very rare. So they're, yeah, very isolated birds. What was the most taxing or testing day on set with, I don't know, which bird was? Oh, my God. I mean, there were a lot. Yeah. Oh, my God. That's a really hard question because... That walking through Cambridge, was that quite hard or not? That was hard because of the humans, not because of the birds. Because there's just lots of... I'm sort of amazed in those situations that lots of people just don't notice. They don't notice that you're sitting there with a lovely grey bird. Were they Cambridge? It's a bit like that. Do you think so? Yeah. But weren't they extras? No, they're ordinary people. We couldn't afford that many extras. No. Yeah. Okay, I thought they were extras. No, no, no. So people would take photographs of me with the bird and think that I was like a sort of, you know. Well, Helen did walk around Cambridge with... An eccentric. Mabel, yeah. Yeah. So I've never seen anyone walking on the street. She's still alive? No, Mabel sadly died. When did she die? A couple of years after the film set, she got a fungal infection, which God's hawks sometimes get. But Helen still has a jar of her feathers, of Mabel's feathers on her desk. Oh, sweet. I know. Before we let you go, can you, I mean, it's Madeline's today, which is very Prussian, a nostalgic taste that can take you back somewhere. Oh, God. I don't want to say school sponge because I don't really want to go back to school. Really? Probably, this is quite gross, but probably my nan and granddad's house and a fry up with black pudding frowned upon and a really crispy bacon and an egg. And there was always more people than you thought would have stayed over. So you'd get two pieces put on your plate of bacon and then one would be taken away. And you'd always be like, you know, you'd have to defend your plate. But I think probably, yeah, a fry-up at my nan and granddad's house where the dog, Zuki, would also get a fry-up and cups of tea in his dog bowl. Zuki. Zuki. What kind of dog? Irish Red Setter. Absolutely mad. Mad dog. But yeah, that would probably be that. Claire Foy, thank you so much for coming on. Thank you so much. And good luck with the film. It's really beautiful. Oh, that's great. And you're fantastic. You are fantastic in everything you do. I'm not. Thank you. You are. You are. You're brilliant. It's always such a thrill and a pleasure to watch you on the screen because you are an absolute star. Thank you so much. Honestly, I love watching you and everything that you do. You say that because I'm Fran's friend. No, no, I'm saying. I mean, it definitely helped me know who you were when you were in The Promise. But honestly, you are phenomenal in everything that you do. Claire Foy so fun and lovely just gorgeous and like talented and self-effacing and just wonderful just fabulous just like a normal human not really royalty loved her just lovely she ate all the food she did yeah even though she's got She doesn't eat gluten or sugar and the whole thing was gluten and sugar. It was high on gluten and sugar. But if someone had told me. She did say. We love someone that's willing to flare their autoimmune disease up. We appreciate that. Thank you, Claire Foy. H's for Hawk is out now. She is wonderful. Really wonderful. It's a really interesting film. And if you've read the book, then you should absolutely go and watch it. but if you haven't, it's just seeing her with five gosthawks. She commands every scene and she's amazing. Mum, the food was great. Oh, was it? Loved it. Good. Like really had to hold back on those finger sandwiches. You and the finger sandwiches are just... It's one of my strong points. What do you do? I don't know. You do the right quantity of filling. Because I like sandwiches. Yes. And I think if you like sandwiches, you know how to make a good one. Maybe you should open a sandwich shop. Okay. Just in my spare time. In your spare time? Yeah. Because I don't have much on. The madeleines are delicious. So easy to make. And I feel really accomplished. Yeah, they look really impressive. It was worth buying the moulds, wasn't it? Yeah. I'm going to text Joe and say a big hit. The chiropractor. Yeah. He told me to use the more complicated recipe. But I think that recipe was just used. Give them a shout out. Good food. Were they called Easy Madelines? Yeah. But they were lovely. And it's 50-50-50. Oh, I love it when it's that. 50 of... It had that little crunch around the end. Yeah, I think that was just a tribute to the silicon moulds. Wow, I loved it. Thank you for watching and thank you for listening. and we will see you next week for more Table Minners.