Monkeybone LIVE! w/ Rob Huebel

Yes, it's a movie based on a child's erection. We saw Monkey Bone, so you know what that means. That means... Hello people of Earth and Hello New York City! We are live at the New York Comedy Festival at Town Hall! Talking about the Brendan Fraser Stop Motion live action kids movie? Monkey Bone! If you've not seen Monkey Bone, our whole audience has. It is about, according to IMDB, in a coma a cartoonist finds himself trapped within his own underground creation and must find a way to get back while racing against his popular but treacherous character, Monkey Bone. No, that's not right. That is not right at all. It's a terrible description. I wish AI wrote it. It is directed by Henry Selick and, um, boy, oh boy, if you don't know the year this movie was produced, you might be surprised. It has a 21 on the tomato meter and a 29 in the audience meter. So just a little bit higher, we are going to break this film down. A film that, in the 15 years of doing How Did This Get Made, I literally wrote down in my notes, How Did This Get Made? Completely boggled me. I was like, how would the script look like? Why did anyone agree to this? Bridget Fonda? Is this why she stopped acting? But tonight, we will, we will try to explain it all and we have some very special help. But first, let me introduce my co-host, Mr. Jason Manzuchus. What's up jerks? Let's go. Let's go, New York. Yeah. That's right. Ho-ho. We did it, baby. Jason, Paul, Monkey Bone, never seen it. Never heard of it. And having watched it, I still don't know if I've seen it. I was flummoxed and confounded by it on almost every level. I watched this movie at 10 a.m. today and when I was the most clear headed... I watched it on the train yesterday and was like, I hope people don't see that I'm watching this. Jason, we have so much to break down. Let's get it down. And you know, we wanted to bring out a very special guest tonight, a person who is a, how did this get made? All-Star, been on a handful of episodes. You know him from shows like Children's Hospital and Transparent, Human Giant, and most importantly, he loves to let the bodies hit the floor. Please welcome Rob Hubel! Welcome, Rob. I didn't even know that you had that cued up. I was like, oh, this will be it. Two seconds ago, I go, is there any way you could play let the bodies hit the floor in this lovely one that was like, right now? She did it. Wow. The tagline of this movie, get boned. The other one is if it yells, if it swings, it's gotta be monkey bone. And then bone to be bad. Bone to be bad. I like bone to be bad. I'm crossing my legs because thinking of the movie makes me hard. Well, I mean... It gave me like a, one of those throwback teenage boners. That's what the whole movie's about, basically. Oh, yeah. Well, this is the question, right? They refer to him at one point as a figment of his imagination. This is a drop dead Fred situation. Well, I literally was thinking... I literally was thinking... A drop dead Fred situation wrapped in a Jacob's Ladder situation, I believe. I believe we are double situation here. I mean, because this is, I mean, it is an erection that has become loose. Right? I mean, that's... Oh, yeah. And I guess the thing that I'm like, well, first of all, I have an issue because... A sentient loose dick is running around. Before we jump in, I had a super quick question. Yeah. Because I think maybe you, or the audience, in the trailer that we all watched, number one, monkey bones accent, varied voices, completely different. It sounds just like tutorial, normal tutorial. Right. But in the movie, it sounds like tutorial is doing Steve Buscemi. Am I right or am I wrong? I thought it was Buscemi. I thought it was Joey Pants. Oh, that would be good too. But I don't know. And when I saw Buscemi so much that when I saw his tutorial, I was like, oh, weird. Maybe he's just doing a Buscemi impression. And then I watched this. And he was, it's just him normal voice. Also in this. Yeah. I don't remember a big pipe. I don't remember a big pipe falling. Well. As the inciting incident for his coma situation. I do have the original opening and the alternate ending. Oh, whoa. You're telling us there's more monkey bones to watch. a lot more bone where that came from. Oh, man. Oh, don't worry, we've got a couple of more inches. I imagine that that voice change is because, at a certain point when they found the film to be unreleasable, and the director Henry Selick was buying. A legitimate legend. Henry Selick from Coraline James and the Giant Peach, The Nightmare Before Christmas. Like, a true legend makes this absolute fever nightmare. Well, was this after those? Well, do you want to guess what year it is? There's always a good question. If you know it, then it's not fun, but do you guys know? I don't know. The only thing at the very end, and I don't want to jump ahead, but maybe I want to. She says she makes a South Park joke. Oh, yes. OK. I was like, OK, so this is in that. But South Park has been on the air for many 20 years, more than 20. I feel like I've been burned on this so many times before. I want to say this is in the 90s, but I feel like you're going to tell me it came out in 2018. Right. I feel like I've fallen for this before, and you're about to be like, it is actually a new release in theaters now. It is Brendan Frazier's post-whale release. You can see this in 40X at any AMC. No, I thought it was also like 90s. It felt to me like George of the Jungle era. Big time. 2001. So I was still surprised. Hold on, before or after September 11th. Well, interesting fact, it caused September 11th. Whoa. That makes sense. It was on the screens on the planes. Everyone was so busy watching it. OK, temperature check on New York. The balcony gets it. That's right. Our balcony monsters here, they know what's up. Yeah, everyone was so busy watching it that that's what happened. Yes. Here's what I'll say. I think we're going to come up against this throughout the discussion. So I think it's worthy of putting out there. Henry Selick fired from the film. Studio goes, we need to fix this so they hire Christopher Columbus to come in and make it more palatable. This movie? Yes. Home Alone, Chris Columbus. Yes, Harry Potter, Chris Columbus. So basically, I think that that voice change and things like that. America, Chris Columbus. 1492. The needs of the Santa Maria. So that, I think, is something that we're going to see as we look at some of the footage. That's why things have changed. But I think premise-wise, the movie has not changed at all because it still is about an erection that goes wild. And I will say this. I know it's very hard to create a compelling cartoon, but the movie opens up with a cartoon, then I'm like, it goes, then that's the pilot. I'm like, oh, terrible pilot. Yeah. Terrible pilot. And is what? The pilot, two minutes. And I understand it's a compacted version of the pilot, but I'm like, what are we watching? I have notes on the pilot. Well, I really like the cartoon because I also am very aroused by flap, like arm flaps. Have I seen that on an older teacher? Is it ba-dwing? I guess this is my question. Was this movie supposed to be like South Park? Well, to me, it felt like the monkey bone cartoon that Stu has created at that time feels like it's very ren and stimpy coded. Kind of gross out, kind of like that era of animated stuff. And so much so that I was like, oh, is he supposed to be a John K kind of character before we all realize that John K was a villain? Well, but that was the thing. I couldn't quite tell what it was going for. It's like, that's our pilot. They look like they were showing it where you would have a wake. I had a bit of a panic attack because I didn't know anything about the movie. Welcome to How Did This Get Made? I was worried that the whole movie was that cartoon. Oh, god. I was in my hotel and I was like, fucking sheer, man. No, it gets weirder and worse. And look, he is a frustrated. I mean, and this is the thing. I don't know even about this guy because we kill him immediately. Yep. He seems to be very, I mean, we know he's successful from the pilot that is not aired, yet is merchandised like crazy. Well, he doesn't want to do the merch. Exactly. He doesn't like the biz aspect of it. He wants to get married to his lady. He's like a true Gen X, doesn't want to sell out. Fuck that shit. I'm a purist. My stuff matters. Not like now where everybody can't wait to get that bag. But it seems to me like, well, you drew this thing about a dick running loose. Like no one forced your hand on this. Like he's like, I'm so frustrated with this thing that I create. The success of my cartoon. And it has not even been successful yet. Also, they seem to the merchandising options are aimed very much at young children. The cartoon absolutely is not. There's no way that cartoon, that horny boner cartoon, is meant for little kids the same way that all of the merchandise is absolutely for little kids. And I guess so all the monkey wants to do is fuck. That's the premise. And the boy doesn't want to fuck? Well, little boys. No. What do you mean? Do you mean in the pilot? Yeah, in the pilot. He's embarrassed because he got a boner. Right. But it's the boys, like, oh, Flabby Arms. But I guess the movie does high-top. This was one of those like, oh, no, I'm having an uncontrollable boner in school. Everybody's going to make fun of me. And they do. But it also says Flabby Arms turned me on. Oh, no, absolutely. This is a moment where we see a fetish being born. Yes. You know? But also creative problem solving, just stacking books on your boner. Yes. What I couldn't figure out was, like, I feel like then Stu's kink or fetish would have been Flabby Armed people. But he doesn't, that never comes back again. Never comes back. You know? That's the only thing wrong with the movie, really. That's it. Case closed. Now, I guess, and I don't want to talk about kids fucking, but I will say. I'll talk about it. I'm against it. By the way, me too. And that's the shirt. No kids fucking. But what's the relationship between the boy and the boner? I can't. We're getting real wrapped around the axle here, I think. I mean, I think the relationship between the boy and the boner is that it's his penis getting erect. Right. But I mean, well, also. I think, and then Stu's obviously turning it into a monkey that is so out of control, the way that your boner is out of control when you're that age. You're like, I don't know why it's doing what it's doing. I mean, I'll just explain it to you. What happens is your body becomes engorged with blood, and it rushes down to your penis, and all the blood squirts out of your p-hole. Yeah, that's a good idea. It's like all of your white blood cells pour out of the penis. And the red blood cells stay inside your body. Now I got it. It makes more babies come from it. And please, no doctors or nurses correct us. I guess what I was thinking was, I feel like the movie's trying to set up a Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde scenario. Like the version of him that's the monkey is sex crazed, and then he is depressed? I mean, he seems like he wants to get back to being depressed. I think the monkey is a very, like, id, it's just his unchecked id. And he is then otherwise all super ego, I guess, controlled? And yeah, that's what I'm saying. It's like it's kind of like his other side is neither, it's not even interesting at all. Like it's not like, I'm the buttoned up guy. And the bummer is that when he gets sent to downtown, whatever downtown, whatever the underworld is here. Land of the dead. He is, I don't understand what he's up to. Well, that's, he seems like, I don't know. I got to get out of here. I don't want to be here. What a bummer to not want to be in the coolest place ever. But is it also is downtown specific to him? I thought it was. I thought he was going to in his imagination because it seemed like, oh, these are characters that I created. But no, no, because there's a Picasso bull. There's a Joe camel. There's a Joe camel. This fucked me up. The Joe camel character fucked me up. I was a great Joe. Camel. It's great. It's better than Joe camel. So much better than Joe camel because you can fuck it. But yeah, I think that's just everybody's nightmares. OK, so everyone's nightmares. Now then I haven't. Now I'm jumping ahead to say, so everyone there, they're impergatory waiting to either go back up or go down. Go down. Are they all in comas? That's what I couldn't. I didn't know either. So is Stephen King in this movie in a coma? Great question. Why is Stephen King in this movie? Why is Stephen King? Why are those Stephen King's? But is that Stephen King or an actor playing Stephen King? So Stephen King was supposed to be in the movie. Did not show up on the day that they were shooting it. And then they put that guy in it. Just like somebody on the crew? But I mean, but that's another thing. So is this the only movie that Stephen King has acted in? No, he was in Maximum Overdrive, I believe. A movie he directed, yeah. Insanely. Yes. So is that about a fuckable car? Can you fuck that car? No, that's Christine. No, that's Christine. No, you can't fuck Christine. I did. Oh. I think you can fuck any car. But none of those movies were about explicitly fucking a car. Great point. Great point. New York's not a car culture. You wouldn't get it. They don't even know what a car is. It's like a personal subway car. So now you guys would understand it as can you fuck a bus? But I guess the thing is he's there. And then when he sees this old man who looks, and I'm not trying to be aegist at all, they look very, very old to me. And he's like, no, he can't die. I'm like, why not? Like, why not? Like, why? Like, we didn't get to know that character. I think that was just to establish the exit past. Right. But he was trying to stop the old man from dying. There's a link. Oh. No. He's trying to stop him from leaving and going back to right? Wait, the old man's going back up? Waking up. Oh, yeah. The old man gets a ticket to exit, puts the helmet on. Oh, right. The hammer hits the mallet, and he goes flying into Abe Lincoln's Zardaws. Yes. This is an Abe Lincoln Zardaws head. Incredible stuff. I never got to see the old man's boner either. No. I mean. And why is his boner impergatory? Wait, you mean monkey bone? Monkey bone seemingly exists in. Oh, OK. So, OK. So that's a great question. Stu, AKA Brendan Fraser. Yes. When he's in the net. AKA Encino Man. And AKA The Whale. When he's in downtown, when he's in this limbo world, do you think he has no dick? Because his dick has left his body and is now physicalized? No, because he's turned on by that girl, because he's like, I love my girlfriend. And that girl kind of comes in for the kiss, the cat. That's Rose McGowan. Oh, I'm just talking about her character. By the way, if that is a bigger question, but I don't know who this movie is for, but there's a lot of Rose McGowan's boobs in this movie. Well, yes. But he goes from literally saying, I love my girlfriend. I was going to ask you to marry me. And then Rose McGowan just kind of leans in. And he's like, oh. I'm like, wow, you really dropped that quick. You don't even know that first. Well, the monkey too crawls down her shirt. And then he says, I left my phone number in your panties or something like that, which is pretty. Which is not abnormal. I've tried that move. It doesn't work. Doesn't work. Doesn't work. June would be furious at this conversation right now. June is so thrilled she didn't have to watch this movie. June is thrilled that she, I know that she had it on her plate. It was already on the tarmac with the laptop open. If she watched it, it would be, I'm going to hear it. But I mean, so he hates the monkey. So I guess my question is, and I keep on asking questions, just establish reality. So is Joe Camel somebody's monkey bone? Oh, wow. Because Joe Camel is a dick. Yes. I mean, it looks like a dick. So remember, this is a deep cut, but there was a thing on the cigarettes where you could see dicks. Yes. Joe Camel was. We're getting off topic now. In fact, we're not. We're sponsored by Camel cigarettes. But yeah, so Joe Camel is there. I don't know that everything downtown represents a boner. Yeah, I don't think some of it is nightmares. Some of it is nightmares. Quite a lot of it, I believe, is nightmares. Because also, Purgatory is the place where we create nightmares. So it's a little monster's. But they were running out of nightmares, too. That was like the real problem. And why? They want Dr. Paul, if you have to ask. They want Dr. Bridget Fonda's nightmare juice. Which is real. That's real. In her sleep study, why in her sleep study have she created nightmare juice? Like, what is the possible use for nightmare juice? And why would you call it nightmare juice? And just keep it in like a thing in the refrigerator? I couldn't make heads or tails out of that also. And is that chimpanzee being tortured by a nightmare? Clearly, yes. As is the dog. And like, there's a lot of very aggressive animal cruelty in this movie. Why hadn't Julie, the girlfriend, Bridget Fonda says at one point that he had not had a good night's sleep in years? Right. Why? Well, because his nightmares are he's what blew my mind was she says in that section of the movie that before he saw her, he had never drawn cartoons. He just drew those crazy nightmare paintings. Oh, right. Right. And that after she started working with him, and he could sleep more, and then he started doing the monkey bone cartoons. Well, because he started drawing with his other hand. Oh, that's right. Right. Thank you. So what? Now, is his other hand his dick? And is she fucking her patients? Yes, she's fucking her patients. Absolutely. Also, OK, so he's in a coma. Again, this is for kids. Maybe. Maybe it's for kids. He's in a coma. This is for kids whose parents have recently died. Yes. And they're just like living alone. This is for latchkey kids. Yes. Yeah, your parents still come home. The fact that's right, latchkey kids. Where are you? Where are you, latchkey kids? If your parents asked, what did you watch? You could just say, oh, this movie Monkey Bone. Right. They wouldn't ask. They wouldn't ask me follow up questions. What's crazy is he's in a coma. Megan Mullally incredibly plays his callous sister, who can't wait for him to die. Three months. And in a way that I was like, oh, when he dies, she must make money. Or she must be a reason she's so glib about him dying. The reason they give is because they saw a parent die and they agreed. They'd never let each other suffer. But what's absolutely clear is that his brain activity is off the charts. He's in a coma. Yes. But is he brain dead? Absolutely not. In fact, his brain waves are going double crazy. Dr. Julie says. Well, that's the plan is to make him have even more nightmares as you can shock him away. But you wouldn't pull the plug on someone who had that much brain activity. Well, but that's why they gave it a nice time. Now, I've been in a situation where the plug has been pulled on somebody. I won't get into that story. But that's a different podcast. That's a different podcast. No, but they don't schedule it. They're like, well, they're going to pull the plug tomorrow at 9 AM. It's not like spoken about like. And you can't stop it. Yeah. You cannot stop it. I just got an evite to a plug pole. It was such a funny thing. What am I supposed to bring? Weird thing that I can't over. Like, oh, yeah. Well, tomorrow. You only have until tomorrow morning at 9. Then you did. I'll show you this one alt clip four. But this is a scene that was edited out with a stew and a sister alt clip four. Here we go. McKayla, do you have that one? Alt clip four, a sister one? You can't find that one. OK. Well, then we don't have it. Well, what was it? It was because there was a. Well, there might be where Stu comes on to his sister. Wait, once he's monkey bone, when he's stew or when he's monkey is monkey bone. OK. So monkey bone is trying to fuck his sister. Yeah, that's OK. I mean, I mean, I mean, doesn't know any better. That's what he's born to do. Yeah. So I guess I mean, so monkey bone is a monkey. That's the other thing that I was having an issue with. It is his id. OK. But it's a full monkey. Like he's hanging and swinging and wanting banana. And yeah, because it's fuzzy. Because yes, it is his boner. And yes, it is. It is all of the urges and all of the kind of animal instincts are contained in it. But it is a physical boner at times or seems to be. But he also has distinct monkey like action. He's literally hanging from things. Yes, he's swinging and hanging and go whoo whoo whoo at times. And so he's also doing straight monkey stuff. Yeah. So I would say he's doing Mr. Peeper stuff. Yes. We'll get to that. Well, well, well. We'll get to that. Yeah, indeed. I will say and not for nothing, we could get to it now. Chris Catan late in the movie. Late. I mean, comes in comes in and singlehandedly is electric. The physical comedy that he the broken neck. All the broken neck stuff was killing me. Unbelievable. When he takes the yardstick, jams it down his back, the tape and then spins around. All that's one take. Next level. And now, but now elevated the third act of this, which was absolutely nuts. Now, but I guess what I would guess I'll say about it is we are led to believe that Stu is a boring nothing burger. But when he's in the body of Chris Catan, I gotta say he's very inventive, very outgoing, and broad. No, he's like a monkey bone. Here's my question, though. When he's in Chris Catan's body, he's somehow still able to execute all of the gymnastics abilities that Chris Catan's human. Well, that was like because it's like, so is he sharing a brain? That's what I was wondering. I was like, oh, I wish they'd explore this some more. Well, how did the gymnast die? The newspaper on the bus is the tragic death of famous gymnast. But they don't explain how does he die. And I don't want to be mean. Oh, he must have like broken his neck, right? Yes, he breaks his neck, but we don't know how. Well, that happens to every gymnast. They all break their necks. I don't want to be mean at all, but I will say this. Even in 2001, if a gymnast died, it's not getting front page of any paper. They would have to have done something insane. You just pissed off a lot of gymnasts. You're going to get so many easy news. We're going to hear from the gymnasts in the fan base. Because they also positioned him to be very famous, but yet he is taking public transport. I mean, people do notice him around. I do have issues with that second half, but I do like it. There was a YouTube. Oh, you have issues? Oh, you have issues with some of the movie? Oh, wow. Just a couple things. Some of the choices they made, they didn't work for you? Now, whoopie Goldberg's in this. Oh, yeah. Oh, the cast is wall to wall, like next level talent. Explain to me how that happens. Who read this? Well, this is it. I did a show with Megan Mally. Megan Mally is the funniest person on earth. So funny. It is a crime. It is a crime how underused she is. They don't give her anything. Bob Odenkirk. Odenkirk also. Yeah. You have everybody in this. Thomas Hayden Church is in this whoopie Goldberg, like with Giancarlo Esposito, Rose McGowan. It is a murderer's row of people. All of the surgeons, Odenkirk, and all that team is all people you know, and it's all in service of nonsense. I mean, and whoop. But I do feel like Megan Mally gets to be funny. The only person who does not get to be funny aggressively is Bridget Fonda. I feel like I love Bridget Fonda. And I watch her in this movie. I'm like, wow, they really like whatever they did. And it's like, I don't know what she is in any way whatsoever. I think they sold her. They said, do you want to kiss Chris Coutan and Brendan Frazier? She was like, yeah. I felt like she was. I felt like Chris Coutan had to kind of force that kiss. He did hold her face. She wasn't leaning in for it. But Chris Coutan also has a moment where he's like, it's me. I called you by our name. I got my monkey here. He's wrecking everything. And she's like, OK, it's not him. I'm like, wait, what do you mean? He just gave you like 10 context clues that it is him. So much crazy. And she's already had multiple experiences with monkey bone as stew that seem like it's not stew. Right. So when a dead, when the reanimated corpse of a gymnast arrives with his head taped to a T square, you might be like, now, hang on. I'm going to listen to this. Stranger things have happened. I also fully expected, I couldn't figure out, I fully expected there to be a love story in the downtown between stew and Rose McGowan's character. Because I felt like they were trying to see that somehow. But you can't because he's in love. No, because we're meant to believe in true love between him and Julie. But he's been there for three months, so maybe it dies. Yeah. And does time work the same there? I mean, he grew a full beard in the bed. I mean, that was a good looking beard. I mean, you can do that in a couple of days. A good sneeze will get that much beard out. My favorite moment was Megan Mullally appearing through the window of the hospital. She was smoking. Yeah, she was smoking out there in the patio. But it is also just felt to me like she's like, I want to do something interesting and funny and not be in this room. Because that didn't feel like that should be an option for her to be smoking in and out like a patio leaning in through a hospital. Maybe the hospital rooms don't have balconies. Yeah. What? When did, OK, what was the movie we did? Cool World? Yes. Where Brad Pitt enters Cartoon World? But that was his cartoon world. Oh, no, Brad Pitt was the cop. Well, one of the nerds tell us what's going on. Gabriel Burns cartoons. He goes in. Brad Pitt was the cop trying to bust him in his own cartoon world, right? OK. So Gabriel Burns knows the world. What year was that roughly? Oh, OK, so that's fully. So OK, because this was giving me that vibes wise. Yes. Of like, oh, a person getting trapped in their cartoon. This is everybody. Every executive is like, I don't know why Roger Rabbit worked, but I think we can do it too. Yeah. And then you go, yeah, yeah, yeah, and he's in this way. Oh, yeah, love it, love it. And then he's a dick. Oh, yeah, love it, love it. Well, you know what's true about that? Is this movie Monkey Bone is as horny as Roger Rabbit is in Roger Rabbit. And maybe that is the direct connection they're trying to make is those other movies didn't work, because the animated character wasn't fucking horny enough. Well, but Kim Basinger. So what if the character was a dick? Literally an engorged, blood-filled penis. But as a monkey. I have a question just to go back to Whoopi Goldberg for a second. God of Death. Yes, the God of Death. So Whoopi Goldberg at one point is approving these other grim reapers, you know, those guys. Well, the people in the white robes, they are. So Brendan Fraser should be in a white robe to be judged, right? No. They are like, I think, like, Roger. They're like grim reapers. Oh, they're grim reapers. They go out. Yeah, they go out. Remember, they arrive to give the old man his exit check. So he was going to dress up like that. And then be able to go, OK, got it. So then they got busted. And then somehow her head exploded. And there were a bunch of interchangeable heads. Why are there extra heads? Why are they thinking that somehow in the future, her head will get destroyed? And we will need replicas that we can just install. Well, you should read my prequel script that is self, well, I mean, self-published. But yeah, you should read it. It's good. I would love to. But she's also not the devil. Like, that's the other thing about this movie. She's not damning people. She's like, oh, your time on Earth is over. And that's it. Like, she's seemingly benevolent, right? I mean, like, she's not. Yeah, I think she's death. She's just sort of agnostic. She's like, your time is up. And you're just down here now. And these are the rules, basically. But yet there is this purgatory where nothing is happening before you get to. Like, you don't do any trials or tribulations. You just wait until. You just seem to have. You seem to be able to hang out in a space that seems kind of like where you might buy supplies in a video game. Right. You know what I mean? It's the kind of weird town you stumble on and fall out. And you're like, oh, everybody here is kind of a reanimated corpse. And I guess this is where I buy ammo. Like, that whole world, I was like, and what they failed to give us by only giving us downtown is we don't understand any kind of hell or heaven. We only know this middle ground, this nether world. And but then also in the nether world, Hypnos is there, who is the sleep god. Who's the brother of Whippy Goldberg. Yes. OK. Yeah. Sleep and death are closely related. I like that as an idea. Well, sleep is kind of a sleep is a bit of a death. Yeah. So sleep is our nightly death. I like that. An orgasm is a little death. So monkey bone, wow, that all makes sense now. A poop is a birth. Big or little. Sometimes just watery. So then. I did it that out. I did it. I'll keep it all in. Keep it all in. I did it. I did it. I did it. I have another quick question. Well, yeah, go for it. I don't want to jump around too much. You can. You can jump. But there was a. There was a. Like, a sense of pain tells us. OK. Jump around. Well, just jump up and get down. The jump, jump, jump. The sex scene between them. Yes. We got to talk about that. Yeah. First of all, I feel like Bridget Fonda said, I'm not getting naked for this. You're not going to see any. Thank God. So much so that she opened her robe and wrapped it around her. Yeah. What a strange move that was. Like, you're not going to see side boob. You're not going to see arm. You're not going to see anything. I guarantee you that that wasn't even her body in the shower. Oh, yeah. I think that was a body double. When she wrapped the robe around, I was like, we are through the looking. That's the way I don't understand. My wife and I make love. Like, that was just. Don't look at each other. Don't look at each other. This is also, I feel like, although now you tell me it's 2001 and I'm now going to go back on this, because I feel like this was an era in which butts and butt stuff, like in terms of like Ace Venture is talking butt. Right. Or in this one, when he's like, that's not how we shake on it in Monkey Land. We rub butts. There's a lot of like butt stuff. Now, you studied monkeys. Is that true? They rub butts? They do. Oh, yeah. And you can rub their butts all you want. Right. We have one out in the lobby after the show if anyone's interested. Yes. But just to drill down on this sex scene for a second. Yes, no. I have no desire to see Brendan Fraser's body or his ass like shaking in my face. And like, it felt like. Well, but you're not in love with him. That's true. Doc Julie is. The sleep doctor. But he is about to teabag her. There's one angle. There's one angle where you can tell Bridget Fonda is like, I fucking hate my agent so much. Yes. She's standing here. I'm giving up acting. His ass is like right here. And you can't. That's not a fake thing. That's him with his taint and balls like right here. I couldn't figure this out at all. Like, what did they did? They think this is hilarious. Was it in the script or was Brendan Fraser like, oh, you know, it'd be funny if I started like bumping like, like, like up and down her like, I was like, he's like, he's going to teabag her or something in a way that I was like, she should dump him now. Well, that's it. I have a lot of issues with Doc Julie because Doc Julie, everything could have been justified. Like, you are still coming out of a coma. Just take it easy. She's like, he's back home the same day he comes out of a coma. He is eating cake with his hands and then he's teabagging her. All of these feel like improvised moments. They eating the cake with the hands, all that stuff. Where did they get the footage of the monkeys having graphic sex that he's watching? They do that misdirect where you see her in the shower and you think he's looking at that. And then they cut to his POV and it's he's watching like, like doggy style sex, which I guess that is how monkeys don't do a missionary. I think they call it monkey style. Like monkeys style. That's the shirt. Yes. Wait, hold on. Did we come up with missionary sex? Well, because of the missionaries. No, missionaries did. Yeah. They brought it around from land to land. Yes, they take it from country to country. Introducing heathens to the good Lord and missionary. The good bone. Yeah, bad to the bone. But there is a moment in here. That's what the movie Silence is about. But. But there is a moment here where I'm like, he is having a dream chasing women in bikinis, but he's watching Monkey Porn. But he's also attracted to flabby armed school teachers. Well, you're confusing Monkey Bone and his, I think the thing on the golf course with when he runs into the sand trap on the golf course, which also was a pretty cool stunt. I couldn't figure out like how they did that practically because he goes down. It looks great. That looked pretty cool. Unless that was all. My guess is the sand is a visual effect. Oh, OK. He's just going down. Yeah. I don't know though. Yeah. Yeah. My guess is it's all stop motion animation, even Brendan Fraser. Are that's that quick sequence where he's fantasizing about chasing the women in lingerie on the golf course. Are those is that was that 2001 lingerie that looked like. It was somebody said it was very positive. We have a lingerie expert. I always have. She traveled with her every show. She just in case we have a lingerie question. We have we have Morgan, of course, our Dungeons and Dragons expert. We have our lingerie expert. And I will say that she is just a 2001 lingerie expert. So you can't before or after 9 11. Yeah. Yes. I'm sure it changed dramatically. Oh, after 9 11, everything to all the lingerie changed. But that like so you're like so were you going to say is that his dream or the monkey's dream? I think that was his fantasy down in the underworld, I think. Well, because he but then he's talking to Brendan Fraser. I believe his monkey buddy because he goes in the day. That's you. But down here, you're with me. Your monkey ass is mine. Right. So I think that one. So I think that he knows. What? The hypnose, the God of Sleeps is telling him like your your monkey ass belongs to me. And and we're running out of nightmares. We got to go get some more nightmare juice. But isn't Monkey Bone Hypnos is agent in the real isn't this their plan? Well, but that's what he's saying. He's saying to him, he's like, you aren't getting me enough bad dreams. Asshole. I go put all the fart juice. I understand. I see, I see, I see. Not fart juice. Fart juice. Fart juice. That's a movie. You got it. We got to pitch that movie. Do not steal that idea. I mean, I felt like that whole farting toy thing right came in so late. Yeah, I was like, oh, give me the farting toy thing way earlier. And so what about the plan? And why do the why does he have to put a so much of it in the butts? But also, it's like it seems like that vial of nightmare juice is only going to affect a handful of people. Oh, yeah. Well, no. But I mean, they're giving it the toys are going to go to everyone. Oh, you mean just the amount of the help? But I mean, yeah, so they do a thousand people. Is that enough nightmares to fuel all of the underworld? That's a, this is a great question. And I'd love to spend the rest of the episode just drilling down on the metrics of how much nightmare juice per capita can give enough nightmare return to fuel downtown's energy needs, because this is a renewable resource. Here's all I need to stop using fossil fuels and power our cars off of nightmares. I want to see more of a Jack Nicholson Batman moment where he's like, oh, we got the new parade float, the monkey bone parade float. And he's going to delts the whole city with nightmare juice. But it seems like you have to have a lot of nightmare juice because then Dave Foley, also a very funny person in that movie. Back when actors could get away with purple face. Oh, man, talk about a moment at the end ago, closer there. Yeah. Pops up. They'll, they put a lot of pressure on that line too. But, but I want to drill down real quick on when he goes to the sleep institute to break in to steal the nightmare juice. He does fuck that monkey. There's an orangutan. He does fuck that monkey. That's not a monkey. That's an orangutan. Right. And tan tan tan. Right. An orangutan. I'm a cage. I don't know why he's in a cage. I guess he's part of the sleep study. I guess yes. He's part of the nightmare that he Brendan Fraser kisses. Yep. Yeah. But or, or more. And then the orangutan for sure. Rips off his fucking pants. Yes. Yes. Because the orangutan wants it to go farther because I think the orangutan understands that there's a monkey in here. The same way that the dog understands that's not him in there. Like I think all the animals know what's going on. So the orangutan is like, I'm going to fuck you. Yeah. Because I got that was edited out. I feel like the monkey did. Sorry. The orangutan did fuck him. Yes. 100% in the prison cell probably for, you know, atmosphere. And then wait, the prison cell in downtown. No, I'm just. Oh, you mean in the, in the lab? Yeah. And the sleep lab. Yeah. So when they're in the prison, when you just said prison downtown, we remember Stephen King. So Stephen King, Jack, the Ripper, and Lizzie Borden, they're all there. Until the hunt. Until the hunt. So there just, are they just being sucked for nightmares? Yes. Because he says Stephen King says, isn't it that Kujo is inhabiting his body on earth? Yeah. Kujo took his exit pass. Yes. Kujo took his exit pass. So I guess Kujo is his monkey bone. So yes. I think Kujo is his monkey bone, which means anything after 2000. And any Stephen King book after 2001 is written by a dog. I mean, what are we talking about? And Kujo is up there fucking people. Yes. With Kujo's dick. Did Kujo get hit by the van? Have people forgotten that Stephen King was hit by a van? Is this a story nobody remembers? Well, he was chasing after the van. Wait, wait, refresh my memory. He, Kujo, Stephen King was chasing after a van because he's. Oh, yes, Kujo's dog. No, he was. Stephen King was walking on the side of the road and he got hit by a car. That happened. He recently. No, no, no. A while ago. Oh, thank God. Yeah, 20 years. My favorite story about Stephen King, and this came out recently, is that he got addicted to Lou Bega's Mambo number five. Addicted? What do you mean addicted? Like he couldn't. He couldn't stop playing it. And his wife told him, if you play it one more time, I will divorce you. Oh, wow. And he is divorced. Monica. Yeah. And that. So do we have the answer? And he is divorced. Wait, so then I guess my question is if Kujo is up here, then is Jack the Ripper's like Monkey Bone also up here? And who is that? Who is Jack the Ripper's? Oh, oh, it's Rob. Who is it? Rob. Who's Lizzie Borden's Monkey Bone, the ax? Attila the Huns, we don't know. Yeah. So some monkey bones can be violent. Some monkey bones can be sexual. The rules, the movie would have been the movie is so close to enjoyable in a lot of ways, if simply the rules had been made more clear. So I understood what the entire fuck was going on. Because without that, I kept being like, I kept rewinding to be like, yeah, did I miss important plot points? I think this movie is for kids that take mushrooms. I really do. I really do. So all kids. I will say this, Henry Selick found Love with Darktown comic book. This is the source material, because this is a book that Henry Selick really wanted to adapt. And he wrote to the author. He said, I never felt any project was closer to my sensibilities in this one. And his initial intention was to stay true to the material. But as the project developed, it evolved into monkey bone. That's the quote. When was he fired in the process? Like was he seemingly late? We're going to get some more details about this. Well, because I had a question. There's there's a sequence where the Bassett hound dog that they share or I forgot his name, but Stu takes the purple sludge and gives it to the Bassett hound and puts him to sleep. And what kind of nightmare could he have? They cut to the dog's dream. And it's so fucked up because the dog has huge balls and he's laying prone and they pull back and there's a giant scissors. Like he's having this nightmare. That's dogs get snipped. Yeah. But do they had to shoot that? Yeah. They had to amnesthetize a Bassett hound with huge that Bassett hound for sure died during this production. That is absolutely clear. Let me go out to the crowd because I think that there there might be some people out here who have some questions. They we may have some answers. All right. Hi, what's your name? What's your question? Emily. So I know you guys like to talk to people who are kind of experts in certain areas. I've been in a coma. Oh, congratulations. Emily has. Emily, who did you meet? Fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck. Are you in it right now? Are we are we all characters in your coma dream? Is this her monkey bone or is this Emily? All right. So so what would you like to share? I just want to say that Jason, this is a Jacob's ladder scenario because at a certain point when Brendan Fraser wakes up from the coma or monkey bone, his breathing tube pops out, that breathing tube would be connected to a ventilator. So there was no ventilator breathing for him. If there was and the tube came out, they have unplugged the ventilator. Well, they didn't unplug it. They snipped it. So so it has to be removed by a medical professional because if if you wake up and it's in your body, you're trying to breathe and it's trying to breathe for you, you would die in seconds. So what really are we really having that react? Yeah. OK, sure. Well, can we hear a little bit more about your coma? Yeah, it's funny. If it's funny, keep it light. Keep it light. Don't bum us out. Just out of curiosity, how long? A few weeks. OK. And did you go in any was there any roller coaster imagery, any Joe Camel imagery? There was a lot of imagery for sure. I can't as someone who's never had a boner. I can't. It's OK. It's OK. I cannot confirm whether or not I would have had a monkey bone. I did. I did. I did not. No. All right. I like it. Thank you so much. Incredible. Incredible. Three weeks. Three weeks. Wow. That was that. See, that's a great one, New York. One of the best. What a great family. What a great vacation. Welcome back. Well, she did just get out of the coma. I don't know. I assumed I assumed you woke up to come to the show. You're your brain knew you had tickets. She said at 5 p.m. she got out of a coma. She's Camel. Yeah. Yeah. Hi. Jen. Jen, what's your question? So you've shown some alternate clips of there's different cuts. Do you think there's a in that alternate version? There's a more nefarious version of Julie where she kind of tricks stew into like a Stockholm syndrome version of the relationship because she very clearly has no problem manipulating his subconscious. OK. Because do you mean manipulating him with the nightmare juice? When he's in the coma, you think she's an unethical doctor and that like are you reporting her? Are you trying to get her license stripped? This whole thing has been just to get this on. Let's go. Walls fall down. All the doctors in this movie behave irresponsibly. It was very unethical and I have a master's in marriage and family counseling. So like I have to like be like, oh, that's very unethical. How you're behaving like you don't have to do it here. Here's my question. Does everyone in the audience? My question for you, my question for you is if you were faced with the imminent death of your partner or behaving unethically in order to save them, what would you choose? She just looked at her partner. She just looked at her partner and said, bye bye. Well, like I'm not his doctor. She isn't either. She was. She was his sleep doctor. Only sleep doctor. But is that count a sleep study? A sleep study. It feels like she was getting college credit for that. I don't know. She didn't even have the authority to stop Megan Malally from pulling the plug. Pulling the plug on someone who has so much active brain going on that to pull the plug is murder. Like I think Paul's going to. When was Terry Shivo before this? Jason. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Jason. No. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. No. Here's what's happening. Jason. Here's what I'm not. I am not going to hear you guys. Ham and Haw over me mentioning Terry Shivo. When you barely reacted to multiple 9-11 jokes. You guys got to decide. What are your levels? The balcony gets it. They're assholes. It's all the richie riches over here that are clutching their pearls. Terry Shivo. That's a home run reference. Assholes. What's here? What do you got? She's dressed as Rose McGowan. Oh, nice. Fantastic movie, but also whoa. Hi, my name is Sajida. My friends here are huge fans of your podcast. So thank you so much. But not you. Not you. She is the best. Now that's interesting. You're wearing a costume. So the question, why do they hate doctors so much on the show? Why do we hate doctors so much on the show? I feel like I've just struck out twice with questions here. Apologize to you. I will say as Paul makes his way up into the balcony, get ready. Some of the third act, which is the katan stuff is inclusive of, some of the funniest shit was the surgeons in full surgical gear. Run chasing the reanimated corpse through the hospital into the parking lot. They load into a suburban. They do a car chase. Katan's organs are falling from the sky onto a barbecue. The kid plays football with it. Kids are playing football with a lung. Paul's in the, in the, I'm in the balcony. In the balcony. That's the kind of reception. Welcome. Yes. Balcony monsters. Oh, yes. Yes. Yes. All right. I'll come to the person I'm closest to right now. Okay. What's your name? What's your question? Hi, Ashley. So I did a little bit of research. Apparently Ben Stiller was originally signed on to play the main character. That's what we heard. Ultimately, Chris Katan, Brendan Fraser were a great combination of people. Would Chris Katan and Ben Stiller have been that great or would they have gone for a different actor to play the person Ben Stiller jumped into as my guess is the killer is the voice. The voice. Wait, what? Ben Stiller is going to be John Jetero. Oh, I thought he was going to be Brendan Fraser. Are you sure? Are you sure? Are you sure? From what I, we're going to get some more. I'm here. Wait, let's, let's, let's answer this question. But I believe. Hold on. Hold on one second, Paul. There's somebody right there. What was, what was supposed to be Ben Stiller? No. I heard someone say Ben Stiller is supposed to play. Uh, Brendan Fraser's character. And then I heard, no. I saw that you have notes. I want to see what your notes are. All right. So what do you got? Oh, dude. No, I don't. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Was anybody here, was anybody here else in a coma? Yes. What? Hold on. Hold on. From now on, only, only people in comas. By the way, Paul, Paul, there's another coma over here. Oh, and I was right by her. I'm so sorry. We're only talking to coma people tonight. You have to currently be in a coma. All right. What? Hi. Hi, Paul. Um, I was in a coma. I'm not trying to, it's not a competition, but it was exactly four weeks. How many weeks? Wow. Four weeks? Well, he is better. He's better than you. After three months, it goes downhill. No, so I was, I was, it was four weeks. Uh, I was having this, uh, like DMT dream where I was in an MCS or house. You like open a door and then you'd look, you'd be looking, instead of looking like this, you'd be looking down at like people on a couch playing video games and then you go in another room and it was this real crazy maze and the end of that was, I was running away because I thought they were trying to, to, uh, cut my dead golf. Wow. Monkey bone. That's a fucking monkey bone. It's a real thing. It's in Richard Hammond's, um, uh, autobiography after he had his like, uh, racing accident, uh, and it's a real thing. And I'm pretty sure I was having that when they were trying to put the catheter in and I was trying to like protect myself. That's what the dog was also doing. The dog was worried about. The one other thing I wanted to say is that, um, I grew up next door to Liz Livingston, who is the creator of Drop Dead Fred. Oh, whoa. Carrie, in the original script, Carrie Fisher's character was named after my mother, but the studio thought that Martha was a lame, like old lady name. So Carlos changed it to, uh, Janie, which was the girl he was dating at the time. But if you hear when Fred hits her, uh, when he hits her papers down and she's like in her office, her boss yells, miss you grew. That's her mom. Wow. Wow. Wait a minute. Wait, what? I want incredible, incredible. Well, now we got to ask you. Incredible. I have a question. Team Fred. Yes. Is team sanity. Yeah. That's it. Team Fred. They're the same thing. It's a short story. There's a woman my age who's an amazing artist. Her name is Liz Livingston. When her sister was born, all of these mischievous things started happening. And when her mom confronted her, she said, it wasn't me. It was dead Fred. So her mother, who's a writer and used to edit for Reader's Digest wrote a short story about this evil character and it's called Drop Dead Fred. Her friend, Carlos Davies, said, this is brilliant. Wrote the script. They made the movie. There was going to be a second one. And it just, the whole thing petered out because the person they got to play Fred wanted to rewrite the script. Can I ask a question? If we had not asked who else was in a coma. I know. We have heard none of this. That's what I'm like living in that. This is essential information. Do you want to come sit down here? We need more people like you down here. One more coma. One more coma person. I'm going to come back to the person I was on. But now you're up against the wall because that person really did live. Your coma better have been. You better have been in a coma for five or more weeks. Now you stood up with the coma. You were in a coma? I'll put her in. Oh, we'll put her in a coma. Please don't stand so close to the edge. I'm getting nervous. Please don't stand so close to the edge. We've, oh sorry, my name is Jess. Long Island Trash. We, we spent a lot of time talking about medical malpractice, but I feel like we really miss the fact that there was organ trafficking happening. Yes. Because they're talking about money and you cannot sell organs in the United States and they were really invested. They were like, this will get my Mercedes. Yeah. So I feel like the real enemy was capitalism. And that's why we hate doctors. Yes. Yes. Now. That's why we hate doctors. Unexpectal doctors. I do. I mentioned that we have another special guest here tonight. Is it naked Dave Foley? No. He is running around out like this. We didn't talk about Dave Foley's naked body. You want to talk about it? What? You want to talk about it? He had a very cute bottom. I'm surprised that he did that. Well there is one person here, one person here who knows a lot about this movie, is a fan of this movie. You might know him from roles in such TV shows as a tick, but also as the co-host of the Blank Check podcast. Griffin Newman is here. Where is he though? Where? He's already downstairs. There he is. Oh, where is he? There he is. Take my chair. I got three things to say right off the bat. Give it up for Griffin Newman. I brought my two copies of Monkey Bone, DVD and Blu-ray because I need the high-def picture quality, but this doesn't have special features. Holy shit. And as we saw tonight, the only way to see the deleted scenes from Monkey Bone reliably is to have the disc. This is chilling. That you have hard media, physical media, too of Monkey Bone is very uncomfortable for me. We recorded a three and a half hour podcast with you guys today. Yes. Coming up. You guys went, oh, you like Monkey Bone. Do you want to come on at the end and do a defense? Yeah. I said yes. I ran home. I picked up the two copies. I came straight here. I love it. Thank you. Thank you for coming. I need people to know. So this is a movie that you, that was a sigh to you as a child. Like this made it good. It made things make sense. And what, what are those things? When you say it made things make sense, like what? Like puberty? I get it. This is a comedy show and you guys all just gave it a spin this morning. You gave it one watch, right? Right, sure. And this TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV They'll have their day in court. You're indicted. Uh, just quick little speed round fact-checking. Yeah, great. Number one, Monkey Bone is good. Okay. Number two, Monkey Bone is normal. Okay. Number three, Monkey Bone makes sense. I feel like that's pretty... Wow. Are you saying the movie or Monkey Bone, the character? Both. Wow. All three statements apply in both directions. There are a lot of mysteries here. No, I want you to, yeah, hit us with, like, I want to get to the answer of the Ben Stiller thing. Was Ben Stiller supposed to be Brendan Fraser? Ben Stiller was supposed to be Brendan Fraser. He dropped out pretty late. He makes more sense as an angry Gen X cartoonist, I would argue. Yes, yeah. Here's what I'll say to the guy that said, no. Earlier, you're a fucking moron. Get out of here. It was absolutely Ben Stiller. And Fraser didn't want to get pigeonholed into post-Mummy action hero and he was like, I want to be loose. I don't want to be taken seriously, pushed hard for this role. Paul Rubens was supposed to be the voice of Monkey Bone. Whoa. Awesome. A man who knows something about boners in places he shouldn't be. Edit that out. Edit that out. And maybe his memory be a blessing. I think the studio would not approve of that. But I believe he did do sessions. Wow. And was replaced. Stiller and Paul Rubens from Mystery Men, which had already come out by now. No. This was the movie that he did Mystery Men instead of this. Correct. I'm sorry. This was mostly shot in 1999. Is that before or after 9-11? Way before. Good amount before. And this is also a thought experiment I've been working on. I've been trying really hard to drill into the canon of movies to me that feel distinctly post-Y2K but pre-9-11. And obviously a lot of these movies were shot in 1999. Or there are movies that were shot before 9-11 that came out afterwards. But there are movies that came out within that window that feel time locked to this feeling of we just lived past the apocalypse. We made it and now nothing can stop us. There is a humorous to the mania. And some of these films extend into sequels that go past the 9-11 point but you feel them kind of taking on. We got to scale it down. Like Shrek 1 is a post-Y2K pre-9-11 film. Shrek 2 is firmly post-9-11. It's considering the weight of what it has to represent. Shrek 1 didn't have to represent. Shit. We were in visible. Monkey Bone is prime. Somehow shot in 1999 but like a time capsule. If we survive, if we make it past Y2K, if the clocks don't kill us, this is what the future needs. We're leaving this for the next generation. Can you explain to me... Can you explain to me... It's one of them a foreign... Australian Blu-ray American DVD. I don't like foreign Blu-rays. Let me see that Blu-rays papers. Take it up with the Fox Corporation who's refused to put this out in HD. Oh, I wonder why. It's almost like they thought it wouldn't make money. Now a couple quick questions. Why at the museum fundraiser when that giant paper mache head gets hit or like a pinata gets ripped open and all the monkey toys fall out? Why do all of the rich people at the fundraiser lose their fucking minds? Because they love Monkey Bone. What do you mean? But it's Monkey Bone on the air because what happened was that was the pilot. He went to a coma for three months. The movie is a comment on crass commercialization. As the smart attendee up there said, capitalism is the real evil of this film. Okay? Stu Miley is a pure Gen X artist. He is a riff. He is a third beat in the Matt Groening, Matt Stone, Trey Parker. Here at Outra kind of fucking pissing on the outside. Gen X fuck you guys who accidentally created these things that captured the public id, right? The unprocessed child fucking mania that then became mainstream. And in both cases you got this like, oh, think of the children. This is ruining them. George W. Bush is like, all right. Damn, sons are bad. You know, all this shit, right? No characters. I'm sorry. Don't you do this. What do you think this is? TBS? I'm sorry. This is not an SNL audition. Don't you dare. Characters not welcome here. Unless it's Rosoli and or I'll. Okay, well, so it's cart before the horse, right? He was a guy who is fucking tortured. He needs the love of his life in like a psychiatric hospital. This guy is like he's processing his trauma through art. He is. But the trauma is a childhood boner. Well, no, this is where she redirects him. As she said, right? Other hand therapy and the art therapy was putting his trauma back on the page in a way that frightened him and only fed back into the cycle. And she said, we got to find some way to break this guy. Change to your less dominant hand. And what comes out his repressed sexual awakening as a child in a puritanical society. I love this. Okay. That was most pushed down. He was comfortable with the inherent darkness in his brain. What he wasn't comfortable with was who he actually is his primal urges. I actually do love what you're saying. And I feel like that feels to me very much like Henry Selk is this artist, right? And he has any he's connected to this. And he made this thing that became very commercial, right? Like here's this guy. He does this dark tortured art. He's falling in love with his sleep study doctor. She's like switch hands. He draws a boner. She's like, this is funny. You should do it as a comic. People fucking option the rights and are like, we're giving you 80 episodes on Fox. Right. The train is moving so fucking fast. We have the dolls already. He's like, wait, slow down. What is any of that? I don't know if this is good. Right. I don't know if this is good for the public. And they're just like, we're trying to identify the next fat. That's the panic he's in in the five minutes before he gets coma. So basically like his trauma is coming out before he can like, he's like, you're commercializing my trauma and you're and he's just trying to actually get better to go to be able to process psyche at the very least. Wow. And it's enthusiastic. Yes. Right. That's why Julie loves him, but it's also why I think she rides out the time with Monkey Bone and have it stew for so long because she's like, I've seen him go through weird shit. Well, I like this guy. No, but like he's had cycles of like loss of identity. It came out of a fucking coma. I don't know. Maybe we'll shake this off. Do you think? Do you think nine year old boys get this? This nine year old boy does. I was, I was 12 and I could not have gotten it more. Well, I was like, this is what I've been asking my health teachers to explain to me every week. Those four teachers. Big mouth before big mouth. Did Griffin talk to you today? Oh, he had a lot of questions. What'd you do? I gave him a copy of Monkey Bone. He'll be buying copies of that for the rest of his life. Now I guess the joke I couldn't quite put my, I couldn't get, I put my hands around was. Wait a minute. The joke I couldn't quite get my hands around when would be Goldberg makes a South Park joke. Yeah. Is that a joke that South Park is bad or is that a joke? Cause it's like, no, it says coming out of the same place and that he likes them and presumably she has had a similar experience with them. So this whole question is everyone have a Monkey Bone. That is downtown. Right. Downtown is the collective subconscious. Okay. The collective unconscious. The Carl Jung, Carl Jung's collective unconscious. This is my read on the film. Wow. I love this. And so it is largely populated with these pop culture figures, right? Like Joe Campbell because they exist. Like they now like fucking on. Right. They live rent free in our heads, but also just abstract nightmarish concepts like a barbecue pig who serves pig, right? Right. Just fucked up shit. I love it. But also our mascots, our modern gods, isn't Ganesh down there? Right. Yes. Yes. So we're just seeing like every thing that like our modern gods. That's what Monkey Bone is saying. It's saying like the earworms of our culture. In a dead culture. Don't get, don't get, don't get on. I'm in it now. I'm on board. In a dead culture circling the drain. And this is why Hypnos is like business is bad. People aren't using their fucking brains. They're thinking of Joe Campbell because they're looking at billboards, right? I have to take artists, get them down here. Artists who are able to create a subconscious or unconscious that is so fully vividly realized that it could become its own thing, right? So Stephen King gets hit by the van, goes into the coma, ends up down there. That's when Kujo swaps. Ah, okay. That makes sense. That makes sense. Attila the Han, Jack the Ripper. These were creative guys who didn't have an outlet yet. These are out of the box thinkers. Attila the Han. They didn't have an outlet. They were just a little bit uneat and they're trying to draw on there like, ah, my hands aren't that good. They fall into a coma. There's a little murderer in there and it's like, let me have a stab at the above ground. And they go up there and they do a bunch of bad shit as a monkey bone is. So you're saying Jack the Ripper was a good creative doctor who was, monkey bone was a murderer and the monkey bone murdered people, not Jack the Ripper. Jack the Ripper. A monkey bone, a trickster God. Yes. Wow, we've all gone through something. What is the odd God? The audience just went, oh. A trickster God of Stu Miley's creation. Smiley. Yes. Is. Is it possible to have sex with Christine the car? Great question. Yes. Thank you. Thank you. You have, you have recontextualized this film for me in a way that I feel like there is a plot here. Yeah. That is, I think hidden by Christopher Columbus. Yes, yes. I will say one of the things that I wrote a number of times and I said some version of it earlier, which is there were a number of times in the movie where I was like, oh, this is almost good right now. This is starting to be a good movie and I wish it could hold on to it, but it would always crumble under the weight of strange choices that didn't seem to add up. And without any exposition, which they are loath to give, not understanding the framework in which I am operating, I kept getting lost. But the version of the movie you're giving us is more like a drop dead Fred in which I'm a hundred percent on board. I wish, bless you. I wish that the movie had successfully done. Well, what I'm realizing is Christopher Columbus is the bad guy. He is like he is fucking poisoning the culture. He didn't get it at all. Here's another crazy. And he didn't discover America. He did not. And he doesn't deserve a parade. Plymouth Rock landed on him. Wait, what? You get it. Plymouth. Kong motherfucker. Do you think Christopher Columbus sailed over on the Mayflower? The name of the pinta, the Santa Maria and the Mayflower. You got it. Straight to Plymouth Rock. You got it. Looking for the fountain of youth. He cooks the first turkey on the first Thanksgiving. Another crazy thing I must call out in terms of like, are imitating. Stop pointing at us so much Griffin. I'm offering. I'm offering. I kind of like it. I like being yelled at. Darktown, the comic book that Henry Selick sparked to an option only ever had that one single issue. One issue. It was an intended miniseries that was never completed, much like Monkey Bone, where you're like corporate interests are jumping on a piece of IP that's not even completed as an idea and go and like, let's just start putting stuff on top. So it's not like it was a Ninja Turtles, like a successful. One of 12. There was a one of 12. Wow. And only the first issue was ever released. And it's very different. And it's just in the idea of artist goes into coma, enters a collective unconscious where his own creations exist. That's all that the comic gave. OK. Yeah. Give it up for Griffin. Griffin do man. Listen to the blank check podcast. Their episode on Monkey Bone is available now. Could not have been better. As well as all the other Henry Selick movies. Check out the George Lucas talk show when you can. The brand new DVD. Listen for Paul and I on an upcoming episode of blank check. So so between us. Yeah. We're going to we're going to edit all that out. Right. He's making us look bad. We have obviously opinion about this. There's a lot of people like Griffin who have a different opinion. It is now time for second opinions. Ladies and gentlemen, Rob from Long Island. Yeah. Settle down and I'll tell you the plot. Stu is a cartoonist in a coma and then he's not. The monkey had sex with his wife. Chris Gaten came back to life. A cameo by Harry Knowles. I gave five stars to monkey bone. Stephen King is not in this flick. The opening scenes and cartoon about a little kid's dick. The casting was great. After all, it's start to actors from Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul. I gave five stars to monkey bone. This is my second opinion. The kill. Rob, Rob, Rob, Rob, Rob, Rob, Rob, Rob, Rob, Rob, Rob, Rob, Rob. All right, now we also have another special guest here tonight. Another song writer from the show. Ladies and gentlemen, Tom McWaters. It can sing if dirty looks and when it's hard, it breaks through books. And when it's hard, it really cooks its brandon's boner. Watch it run and watch it grow. Jacob's boner scenario even gives himself a blow. It's brandon's boner. During brandon's coma, the monkey runs amok. If the monkey was the boner, how can he still fuck? Always weird, always wrong. Got five stars on Amazon because it's so gargantuan. It's brandon's boner. Give it up for Tom McWaters. Tom and Rob together on the same stage. Wow. Love it. Is I had a super quick question. Is there anybody here in a coma now? Why did you raise your hand? Well, the person there said I'll put her in a coma. Yeah. All right, can I ask before we do it? A guy over there who was in a coma, how long were you in a coma for? No way. No way. She said three. I'm not buying it. He said four. I'm not buying it. We can't just say things. Was it really? It was a nap. Medically induced. Cool. We've all been in that. They're naturals. Very naturals. Or big naturals. No, not big naturals. Big naturals. Big naturals. Is that what you said? I said natural. Heavy naturals. Real naturals. Real naturals. Well, that's kind of redundant. Keep this in. Keep this in. This is the only thing in. 1,923 reviews for Monkey Bone. 84%. 1,925 reviews. 84% are five-star reviews. 84? 84%. Sydney Kay writes, My all-time favorite movie, just like Beetlejuice, but better, five stars. Oh, that's an interesting comparison too. Yeah, that we didn't even mention. Sure. Written in 2015. This one from Veronica Owen. Was 2015 before 9-11? Just right before. And the title is The Kobayashi Report. This is the one movie I love. It is probably among the top 50 in my list. Five stars. This is the one movie I love. It is probably among the top 50 in my list. Wow. It's a tough bracket to break into. Yeah. OK, this one is from K.M. McKenzie. I love Monkey Bone. I watched this movie as a kid, and I recently saw it on Prime. I ran so fast to rent this movie, severely underrated Tim Burton comedy horror film from the early 2000s. If you're a fan of Tim Burton, please watch this movie now. You won't be disappointed. Five stars. This is the exact shit that Henry Selick is driven crazy by. Right. Absolutely. It was Tim Burton Presents, a Henry Selick film, but people think it's Tim Burton. And Coraline, right? Everybody thinks Tim Burton did Coraline, too. So yeah, so this person didn't get the memo. It also not a Tim Burton film at all. Not at all. Here's what I want to say. I just got a text. We have a very special person here to weigh in on Monkey Bone. You guys don't know what Monkey Bone is about? First of all, doi. Monkey Bone is a beautiful film. I know I've never seen it, but I know exactly what it's about. And yeah, Brendan Frazier and Bridget Fonda are two archeologists who are looking for a specific breed of monkey that hasn't been alive for many, many years. It was extinct a long time ago. That monkey is going to hold on to the monkey. It's going to hold the key to a virus that's been killing all of us, all of humanity in this present moment. So the two of them have to go find that monkey bone in order to unlock the cure to this very terrible virus that's really taking us all out. Within that, within that, they find love. They find love. You know? And Brendan Frazier, of course, is he's kind of that hot shot, shooting from the hip type archeologist that we all know, that stock character, and doesn't play by the rules. And Bridget Fonda is a leader in the field. And always, you know, she's had many, many breakthroughs. And she knows exactly where to go and how to do everything so perfectly and scrape off little sand pieces and dig and do all of her archeology stuff. And it's so hard to work with him, so hard to work with him. Which, of course, she learns about herself as it's time to loosen up a little bit. And what he learns about himself is it's time to actually respect a woman. For the first time ever. Which is never done. So it's a really, it's beautiful. They save us, thank God. Thank God. In that search for a monkey bone, they also find what they didn't know they were looking for, which is love. And there you go. I would love, at some point in the future, to make June watch Monkey Bone and have a rebuttal to herself. And by the way, just announced the Mummy 4. Or the Mummy, right? Is that what it is? Three or four? I can't remember. Yeah. Would you recommend the movie, Jason? Yeah. Yeah, I would recommend this movie. This is, this is a real fever dream. This is chaos unlimited. And I enjoyed the hell out of it, even though it was deeply frustrating because so often as it was just getting cooking, it would go way off the rails. And that would be disappointing. But don't let that deter you. Absolutely watch Monkey Bone. Hubel? I would recommend this movie to... People in a coma? People in a coma and kids that love drugs. Okay. Yeah. I would recommend this movie because we've watched so many. And whenever I am like gobsmacked by a film, I feel like, I don't know if I like it, I don't love it or whatever, but I have to acknowledge I was gobsmacked by it, so I'm putting it in a category of a must watch. I find that for me, like the movies, what we do, like I was engaged. Whether I was enjoying it or furious, I was never bored. No. I wasn't like, this is a slog. I was like, what the fuck? And if that's the response, then I think it's working. I agree. I agree. All right, well... I could have watched more of them dangling from the balloon. Like that whole... You were like, yeah. Yeah, I wanted more of that. And if that happens in the Thanksgiving Day Parade this year, I will be psyched. I would love it if the Thanksgiving, the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade floats farted out nightmare juice. Love that. I would love it. It does feel like for the last year plus, we've all been just subsisting on nightmare juice. And that is... That's my question is, when did Monkeybone become our reality? All right, Jason, you want to promote anything? Sure. I'll promote some stuff. Percy Jackson, season two coming soon. A man on the inside, season two. Coming soon. That starts November 20th at all, unloads. And then I'm still gonna be promoting Taskmaster, season 19. Watch it on YouTube. That's right, every episode is up for free. Check it out. So good, so, so good. Season 20 airing now is fantastic. Is it as good as 19? Absolutely not. Hubel. Oh, and All Out on Broadway here in January. What are you doing on Broadway? The, I'm doing a stage reading of Simon Rich's stories called All Out from January to February here in... On Broadway. Broadway. I'll plug a show that Paul Sheer and I do on YouTube called The Dark Web. Dark Web. You do that every week, super fun. Totally free, totally free. My book, Joyful Recollection to Trauma is available. Thank you for buying it. If you bought it, you can listen to it as an audiobook. And if you want a signed copy, just you can go on my website and I'll figure it out. It sounds vague, but it's very specific and I don't need to get more into it. Thank you all for coming out tonight. Great job, New York. You are amazing. Good night, thanks for coming. Eat shit, New York. How did this get me? That's a wrap on Monkey Bone, wow. What a awesome episode. A big thank you to Rob Hubel who stepped in at the last minute when June's flight got canceled. Remember that when the FAA went on strike? Well, yeah. Rob stepped in and did us a huge, huge solid. Do him a solid by checking out the dark web every week on YouTube. It's completely for free. Also a shout out to Griffin Newman who also stepped in, stepped up and delivered maybe one of the best voices for Monkey Bone. He is a defender of Monkey Bone. If they're making a Monkey Bone criterion, we gotta give it to Griff. Now Griff, he is the star, the host, the co-host, I should say, of the Blank Check podcast. Check out Blank Check. If you've not listened to Blank Check, you will love it. I also wanna kinda promote this thing that I did. I made a mini documentary with the people from Submar Club who do Chef's Table. We went out to a Taylor Swift parking lot. That's right. I went out with a microphone. I didn't know what I was gonna get. And let me tell ya, it was so much fun. It was really something I could never have expected. So check out Taylor Swift parking lot. You can watch that on my YouTube page. You can also watch it on the dark web YouTube. It's 15 minutes. I'm not asking you to watch on a big TV. You can watch it on your phone. I think you'll like it. You don't have to be a Taylor Swift fan. You just have to be somebody who's ever gone to a concert. Or maybe have an interest in going to a concert. I don't know. Also a big shout out to the staff at Town Hall and our tour manager, Beth and Makayla. Our T-shirt design for this episode is, I would say iconic. Yeah, I woke up from a coma and all I got was this podcast. If you want that design, that verbiage on a T-shirt, a hoodie, a sticker, a mug, whatever you want, just go to HDTGM.com, click on the Merch tab and you can now own that or anything from any of the other shows that we made merch for. As always, if you have a correction or a mission from this episode, leave me a voicemail at 619-PAUL-ASK or write a comment on our discord at discord.gg slash HDTGM. And remember to vote for one of the next movies that we're doing here on the show. Now, also to help us with nominations for next years, howdy awards, since you all liked it so much. 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